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January 03, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-001

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Elena_MYL @Elena_MYL - 2:28 UTC · Dec 29, 2020
I search a bit about #ZhangZhan online and here’s what I found. She was detained several times before, from 10 days to 65 days since 2019. She got warning for the first time in 2018.
Pic. She’s holding an umbrella says” End socialism, take down CPC”.
She’s a Christian zealot with a strong tendency towards martyrdom. She made hunger strike several times during the detention.
She had psychiatric assessments during the detention since she kept talking Jesus, Bible, God, etc.
Here’s video from her YouTube channel. She spoke in a very slow speed. “I preached gospel to her : The cross of Jesus Christ bears the sins of everyone, salvation is found in no one else, but Jesus. Actually I’d prefer to preach gospel to those cops and ppl who quarantined her.
Here is an article she wrote accusing Chinese government acting like god. She used the word “神” (God) 62 times.
#ZhangZhan regards herself undertaking God’s mission. Somehow reminds me of Adrian Zens who fabricated Uyghur genocide claiming he’s been led by God against Beijing. ...

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Other issues:

Covid-19:

John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch - 8:07 UTC · Dec 31, 2020
NEW chart thread:
The latest UK Covid data paints a dire picture, with London and much of the south now in a worse position than they were at the spring peak, and hospitals struggling to cope
18% of tests in London now come back positive, and rates are climbing everywhere.
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20:04 UTC · Jan 2, 2021
We can also look at data not only on how many Covid patients are in hospital, but what share they make up of *all* available beds.
Covid patients now occupy more than half of all beds in many areas (and rising fast), including 63% in North Middlesex.

Infodemic:

> We’re talking about treating very, very large populations, which means that you’re going to see the usual run of mortality and morbidity that you see across large samples. Specifically, if you take 10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000 heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die and get sick anyway. <
Gregg Carlstrom @glcarlstrom - 9:01 UTC · Dec 30, 2020
We really need to do a better job avoiding irresponsible headlines and tweets about the vaccine (like this one). It's not enough that the article contextualizes the story, because people don't always read the article:
California nurse tests positive over a week after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: ABC
Ruben Carbajal @rubencarbajal - 19:55 UTC · Jan 1, 2021
Man Wins Lottery After Receiving Vaccine
Man Receives Junk Mail After Receiving Vaccine
Man Audited After Receiving Vaccine
Man Finds Extra Fries in Bottom of Bag After Receiving Vaccine

Poverty alleviation - 'Costly' but successful:

Nils Gilman @nils_gilman - 13:27 UTC · Feb 6, 2019
Number of Chinese living in extreme poverty (<$1.90/day):
1980: 835m
1990: 770m
1999: 508m
2008: 170m
2015: 10m (not a typo)
Put another way: 75% of global poverty reduction since the 1970s is a result of Chinese Communist Party domestic policy success. source

EU-China deal:

History:

Use as open thread ...

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11 Senate Republicans say they will oppose Electoral College results Wednesday

According to Trump detractors, the strength of this Congressional challenge is inconceivable.

My prediction of a Deep State ploy for a Trump victory is still in play.

A come-from behind win would strengthen Trump almost as much as a landslide (Sidney Powell has claimed that Trump won in a landslide and many Trump supporters agree with that) while strengthening the people's belief that America is a democracy (as proven by voter turnout). Trump's persistence and his arranged defeats of 1) Covid-19, 2) socialism, and 2) a corrupt Democratic Party in cahoots with a strawman Deep State (the real Deep State supports Trump as much or more than Biden) will position Trump to be a war President in his second term.

Even if war is not intended, Trump/Deep State negotiation with (demands of) allies and adversaries will be greatly strengthened.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2021 15:51 utc | 1

For beginners on Marxism-Leninism in China (and why there's no such a thing called "globalism"), I strongly recommend reading this:

This US show reveals how shallow & ill-informed America’s understanding of China is. No wonder we're losing the economic battle

If Americans really are interesting in rebuilding their country, they should stop with their messianic deliriums.

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One more to the "irresponsible headlines" series:

With Concessions and Deals, China’s Leader Tries to Box Out Biden

The problem here is that this trade deal has nothing to do with Biden. Negotiations begun seven years ago, and December 31st, 2020 was the agreed deadline. Nobody had a crystal ball in 2013.

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Logistics is the soul of warfare:

Confusion and Shortages Impede Some U.S. Vaccination Campaigns

Covid vaccine: [British] chief medical officers defend rescheduling of second doses

Cancer operations face cancellation across London as Covid patients fill hospitals

Those chic mRNA vaccines are all nice and dandy - but they're useless in the greater scheme of things because they need -70°C storage temperatures (Moderna claims theirs is normal fridge, but that's not optimal). Even the -70°C recommended is not the ideal but just the bare minimum, as mRNA is very fragile. If you could storage them at -100°C or even more, that would be the true ideal temperature for their storage. And even then you must not suffer any power shortages in the places they are stored, as just a few hours outside this very low temperature is enough to spoil them.

Let's be real: the Sputnik V and the Chinese vaccines (which can survive 20°C for days if needed) are the ones that's going to save the bulk of lives around the world. The mRNA and AstraZeneca vaccines will essentially be confined to their niche in the First World, and there only because they will enjoy market protection by their governments - as by fair competition, they would be expelled from the market by the superior Chinese and Russian alternatives.

And this is just the logistics problem: mRNA vaccines are already indicated to cause infertility, and other epigenetics (I'm not talking about the lipids, salts and sugar that are enveloping the mRNA, which can only cause allergy, but the unknown effects an mRNA may or may not cause on a cellular level) are still to be investigated. I hope I'm wrong - that is, that those Moderna and Pfizer vaccines really are the second coming of Christ and the beginning of a new era in vaccine technology - but I'm not holding my breath; those Big Pharma requested - and got - preemptive legal immunity from the USG besides of receiving billionaire vouchers for their R&D. That's how much they trust this mRNA technology - and old technology that was going nowhere for ten years before the pandemic happened.

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American high bureaucrat doubles down on conspiracy theory to save his own ass:

Trump Deputy NSA Matt Pottinger who headed COVID response team peddles the Chinese lab leak conspiracy theory in order to shift blame frm his criminal mishandling of US COVID response.

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Forecast by a Marxist economist for 2021:

Forecast for 2021

Michael Roberts was one of the eight economists who were able to predict the 2008 crisis well before it happened. If memory doesn't fail me, six of the eight were Marxists (and one of the two non-Marxist was bourgeois apocalyptic prophet Peter Schiff).

Posted by: vk | Jan 3 2021 16:13 utc | 3

I’m very busy right now, but this here needs reading —-

https://armswatch.com/georgia-cover-up-of-deaths-in-3-3-billion-pharmaceutical-project-documents/

I won’t have the vaccine simply becouse lack of trust in the big pharmaceutical company’s. To closely connected to Israel.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 3 2021 16:25 utc | 4

Well, if Helena Cobban & Friends only get halfway through the project to document the bloodshed and anti-Heroism of 500 Years of Christian Meddling, it'll make Wm Blum's Killing Hope read like a couple of extra verses of Today's the day the Teddy Bear's have their Pic-nic.

I hope she gets around to mentioning that Christianity was invented by Jews who also Occupied starring roles in the Holy Bible.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 3 2021 16:47 utc | 5

New Years Eve in Wuhan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3oIGZNa5ys (9 min)

Fun (if kind of creepy) fact:

Year 2021 in the Buddhist 12 year cyclical calendar system followed in many countries incl. China and Japan,

is the Year of the Cow ( or Ox).

'Cow' in Latin is 'Vacca'

Vacca is the root of the term 'vaccination', coined after Jenner discovered that inoculation with COWPOX pustule fluid to be and an effective preventative measure to protect against the spread of deadly smallpox.

Posted by: gm | Jan 3 2021 16:55 utc | 6

Since we are about to board the vaccine, anti-vaccine bandwagon. Here is Whitney's viewpoint
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-goal-immunity-or-depopulation/

He starts by quoting some favorites:
"“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic… You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.” Dr. Mike Yeadon PhD, Pfizer’s former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory Disease"

"“What we know about coronavirus from 30 years of experience is that a coronavirus vaccine has a unique peculiarity, which is any attempt at making the vaccine has resulted in the creation of a class of antibodies that actually make vaccinated people sicker when they ultimately suffer exposure to the wild virus.” Robert F. Kennedy Jr."

and many more.

In Turkey (mostly Istanbul), I probably will avoid a vaccine (especially Pfizer and Moderna) as I have managed to avoid Covid 19. So far, I have survived nine months without it (or the flu)(or a cold). So, I will stick to my Vitamin D (mostly from summer sun, but now a bottle) a healthy diet and reasonable exercise, plus a mask in appropriate venues. If I get it, I get it. If it kills me, it kills me. That's life.

Posted by: Bluedotterel | Jan 3 2021 17:01 utc | 7

Jackrabbit. 1:

There aren't just 30 Senators, there are 100. So vote for your edification: 11 does not a majority make.

You've confused "the real deep state" with a bunch of xenophobic, highly anti-Semitic, gold bugs, some of whom hold some power within US government institutions.


In 2016, Trump's "wins" of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida, and therefore the presidency, were stolen for him by throwing out massive numbers of votes from cities like Detroit and Milwaukee. It didn't work this time. Why do you think Trump was whining in such a racist manner starting 2AM eastern on Weds morning of election night. So he didn't "come from behind" to beat Hillary. He faced a terrible candidate, Hillary Clinton, who then had no interest in challenging Trump's "win" of Michigan.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2021 17:14 utc | 8

@Bluedotterel | Jan 3 2021 17:01 utc | 7

"“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic… You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from a disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.” Dr. Mike Yeadon PhD, Pfizer’s former Vice President and Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory Disease"

Well, I could not agree more. This vaccine push is criminally irresponsible, and that is being nice.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 3 2021 17:23 utc | 9

I notice that one of the ingredients in the Pfizer vaccine is "2- hexyldecanoate),2-[(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide (ALC-0159)

Would that be the same as below? Here in the Whitney article:

"The mRNA vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance. This means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination."

"Let’s summarize:

"The new messenger RNA vaccines could make recipients more susceptible to serious illness or death.

Spike proteins can “trigger an immune reaction” that will “result in infertility.” (Once again, Population control)

The new vaccines contain polyethylene glycol (PEG) which can be “potentially fatal.”

The trials were not long enough to determine whether the vaccines are safe or not. FDA approval does not mean “safe”. Quite the contrary. The FDA is “captured” in the same way the FAA is captured. (Think: Boeing 737 Max)"

So b is the FDA captured in the same way as the FAA?

Posted by: Bluedotterel | Jan 3 2021 17:55 utc | 10

I posted the comment below for karlof1 and everyone on the previous open thread.

So far the tally stands NO-1 YES-1

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I just want to know one thing from you: Do you honestly believe Trump won the Election?

And then explain why Republicans have no problem with the results down the ballot?

It's okay to clamor and protest for more social justice, but what is not okay is to overturn a process where people actually exercised their will and in numbers historically unprecedented.

If you destroy fact with fiction and eliminate the will of 81,000,000 people; 7 Million more than Trump got, then does anything else matter?

Don't skirt the question: Do you believe Trump won the election?

Depending on your answer; I'll know whether to ever respect you again no matter how knowledgeable you are or how well-intentioned.

Right now there's an elephant in the room that many here are ignoring, including you, and it's morally wrong to avoid it, so I don't care what else people say or write that sounds correct until they come clean on their position on this glaring obstacle.

As a matter of fact, I think we should have a thread solely on this question: Do you honestly believe Trump won the 2020 Election?

I'm waiting. YES OR NO WILL SUFFICE. I want Paco, Uncle T., and basically everyone here to come clean on this before bitching and complaining about all else.

I wanna see YES OR NO, only. I don't give a damn for spin and claptrap. I won't even give any it the time of day, if you can't answer with yes or no first.

Recently I wrote that I can no longer respect the Saker. Everything he writes from his view of the Election forward is tainted now, but at least he came clean on his view.

I'm asking everyone to reply HONESTLY. Do you believe Trump won the 2020 Election?

YES or NO.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 3 2021 18:00 utc | 11

thanks b... lots of interesting observations and links to read.. i appreciate it... sometimes the comment section is really fascinating too, lol...

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2021 18:07 utc | 12

This is what to watch on monday.

Assange will be told (and we will learn) whether one of the foundations of western society, "freedom of speech", is to be kept on a leash.

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/01/02/assange-extradition-legal-teams-likely-informed-already-of-assange-decision/

This gives an overview of the two accusations and possible ways in which the "Law-as-Power" Directors (LAP dogs) of the UK and the US overlords could react.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 3 2021 18:21 utc | 13

Anther kind of amusing take on Covid times:
https://www.unz.com/rbonomo/the-coronavirus-test-are-you-a-clock-or-an-orange/

"The most important takeaway from the COVID-19 crisis isn’t the science. The ‘science’ depends entirely on one’s politics. Whether to get on with life and take our licks or hunker down and ride it out at home has nothing to do with empirical evidence or peer review; it’s entirely about our ideological leanings and psychological profiles.

Thousands are dying, billions are locked down, business is shuttered; life as we knew it has basically come to a stand still. The clocks and the oranges are in a standoff and the stakes are probably much higher than most realize.

This is not about a pandemic. What we are deciding now is the kind of world we want to live in. The clocks would love us to sit back, follow their sage advice and allow them to usher in a ‘new age’. Sooner or later they will get their way, but are the oranges ready to give in just yet?

So what is it kid? Are you a clock or an orange?"

Myself? I suspect I am a clockworked orange.

Posted by: Bluedotterel | Jan 3 2021 18:23 utc | 14

Circe | Jan 3 2021 18:00 utc | 11

Too funny! There's got to be a bright future for you as a professional poll taker.

How about you ask a straight forward question, without all your own spin and claptrap?

I do love the declaration that no one is allowed to complain about anything else until they answer your precious question. Maybe run to B for more censorship if posters don't answer. Cancel Culture is about the only thing the Left has to offer society.

I hope you appreciate me giving you the time of day.

Posted by: EoinW | Jan 3 2021 18:25 utc | 15

Circe at #11 has a reading problem that should be noted. My response was the valid outcome of the election cannot be accurately determined without complete and detailed audit. Circe seems to think this supports the occupant of the WH. Circe is not competent to govern my reply or dismiss it as claptrap, nor is Circe balanced enough to draw valid conclusions. I repeat: Circe needs professional help. Advise not responding to TDS tirades from Circe until they start breathing oxygen again and some gets to their grey cells.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 3 2021 18:32 utc | 16

Thanks for the links to the China/EU agreements b.

Just as much as the US is being torn apart, I see Europe under similar pressures.

What I want too know is if there will ever be a public discussion about the core differences between the sides? Somehow I doubt it. The private finance side would not stand up well to scrutiny and I keep wondering why the China side fails to point out the public/private finance difference in a highly clear public manner?

In the interim we spew our textual white noise here about Tibet "feudalism" and ongoing screaming banshee rants about the US (s)election that expect one to keep a straight face when they talk about honesty and US elections in the same sentence.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 3 2021 18:34 utc | 17

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2021 15:51 utc | 1

The concept of Deep State of Jackrabbit is strange, and I do not see any evidence for it.

There are various influential groups that have somewhat diverse interests and different tools of influence. Most powerful groups are almost equally comfortable with "mainstream" Republicans and "mainstream" Democrats. Trump was somewhat safe choice for them. but too erratic and too polarizing, so Democrats got the bulk of plutocratic support this time. Groups with influence over CIA, FBI etc. wish for an obedient Administration, and they weaken potentially stubborn candidates -- FBI weakened both Clinton and Trump, using bogus means in both cases. However, among the faults of Biden and surrounding clique of closest advisers, stubbornness against their priorities is nowhere in evidence. In short, why they should bother to overturn the election even if they could?

OTH, the long term consequences of a drastic turn of events could be highly detrimental IMHO.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 3 2021 18:49 utc | 18

Jay @Jan3 17:14 #8

I see it very differently.

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There aren't just 30 Senators, there are 100... 11 does not a majority make.

Sure, but many of them have not said how they would vote. Assuming that only 11 would vote for the proposed commission is misleading.

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You've confused "the real deep state" with a bunch of xenophobic, highly anti-Semitic, gold bugs, ...

I'm not sure how you arrive at this view. The Democratic Party and Biden are just as Zionist and pro-Empire as the Republicans.

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"... some of whom hold some power within US government institutions.

That doesn't sound like any definition of the Deep State that I've heard of.

The Deep State is a group that exercises power, not a willy-nilly collection of self-styled patriots.

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In 2016, Trump's "wins" of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Florida, and therefore the presidency, were stolen for him by throwing out massive numbers of votes from cities like Detroit and Milwaukee. It didn't work this time. Why do you think Trump was whining in such a racist manner starting 2AM eastern on Weds morning of election night. So he didn't "come from behind" to beat Hillary. He faced a terrible candidate, Hillary Clinton, who then had no interest in challenging Trump's "win" of Michigan.

My comment @1 isn't about 2016, it's about 2020. However ...

In 2016, Hillary failed in a way that no seasoned candidate with unlimited resources and Deep State backing would have failed. She alienated important groups and she refused to campaign in the three mid-Western states that SHE KNEW would decide the election.

This failure followed Bernie's sheepdogging: he would not attack Hillary on "character issues" (he famously declared: "Enough with your damn emails!"). Bernie's fake candidacy (he admitted that he was a friend of Hillary's for 25 years) ensured that she would face Trump (another friend of the Clintons).

Trump then refused to investigate Hillary and appointed friends of his political enemies (McCain, Brennan, "never Trump" neocons) to key positions in his Administration. The establishment's pretended concerns that 'America First' would mean a retrenchment from Empire (they labeled Trump as an isolationist) was a smoke screen as MAGA! was used to justify a massive arms build-up and continued meddling in the Middle-East.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2021 18:51 utc | 19

Circe@11 wastes time asking if anyone honestly believes Trump won the election. This is absurd. The vast majority of people who favor Trump are not honest and will not answer such a question honestly. Asking how anyone can rationally believe at the same time the Republicans won down ballot races but the presidential race was fixed has a related problem: People who are irrational are by definition unable to judge their rationality.

The best explanation for the mismatch between poll projections for a higher Democratic party vote with the surprisingly favorable results for Republicans, given that so many of the votes were counted by Republicans, is that local vote suppression, gerrymandering, voter purging, etc., etc., the Republican plan, suppressed the Democratic vote sufficiently to win so many down-ballot races. But on a national level, where vote rigging in all its corrupt but legal ways, is still impossible to coordinate, the presidential race, could not be fixed in the same way. Thus Biden won, by a large enough margin that not even the corrupt and legal ways used by Republicans could fluke out into an Electoral College victory. Trump never won the Electoral College because he was a stable genius, any more than Biden won the Electoral College because he is a criminal genius. That is the insane proposition of the Trump landsliders, after all.

Again, again, again: The people who can falsify the votes are the ones who count the votes. Those were mostly Republicans. Further, on the national level, there is no way to coordinate vote falsification in the fragmented US political system. The national elections, the presidency, is where the genuine will of the population that votes, is most likely to be successfully expressed, instead of suppressed. That's why the Democrats keep winning popular presidential votes, because they are branded as more left ("socialist" is for shameless liar.) And the people as a whole are more left-wing than the so-called middle classes or the reactionary cranks trained by right-wing petty bourgeois ideologues who ultimately take a paycheck from the owners of this country.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 3 2021 18:58 utc | 20

Circe,

It’s impossible and also unimportant to know who “won” the most votes in a farce of a democracy.

USA is an expansionist oligarchy, capitalist dictatorship, fascist nation, corporatocracy, kleptocracy, kakistocracy, etc. (So many names to emphasize different qualities of the same thing.) All of it designed to neutralize any popular opinion against concentration of power within and outside its present borders. The “voting” is merely the tail-end of a rigged process.

Please stop trying to pick fights with people over your mostly imaginary belief anyone here likes trump. If you recall, I defended you a few times more than a year ago. But, i check each author’s name before reading their comment. For at least a year, Ive been skipping yours. I’ll start reading your comments again after you stop the badgering.

You have a right o be angry. Just stop directing it at people here. Frankly, i think you’re mostly amongst friends.

Posted by: oglalla | Jan 3 2021 19:02 utc | 21

@ Jackrabbit

If TPTB actually select Trump for another four years, I’ll be shocked. But, yes, it appears the possibility isn’t zero. Your “great leader” scenario is mildly starting to frighten me. I think I prefer Sleepy Joe and Bad Kopmala to ruin, er, run things for a while.

Posted by: oglalla | Jan 3 2021 19:12 utc | 22

"The Mutated Virus Is a Ticking Time Bomb - Atlantic"

Panic! Panic!! Panic!!!

Mutation is a natural way of life for all viruses. If we EVER found a virus that does not mutate then that would be a sensational news. A worthwhile news would be if a mutated virus was found to be more lethal. And the mere fact that a virus has mutated is a no-news. And yet, the media are setting people in panic by reporting no-news as sensational news.

Checkout what Vincent Racaniello, virology professor in the medical school at Columbia University has to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC8ObD2W4Rk&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Jan 3 2021 19:20 utc | 23

Circe @Jan3 18:00 #11

Do you believe Trump won the 2020 Election? YES or NO

This question is impossible to answer and will only serve to spark a partisan battle for the remainder of the thread.
  1. The question is not well defined - even Republicans have conceded that Biden won the popular vote.
  2. USA is not a democracy and election tampering is a known to occur in USA (in many forms).
  3. Answering requires expertise that few possess - not just voting procedures but voting machines and intelligence agency capabilities to hack/subvert them.

    We know the issues that Trump & friends have raised about the election but we don't have the means to know how valid they may be AND who should decide these issues is another perplexing question (State Supreme Courts? U.S. Supreme Court? Congress?).

  4. Any answer is moot. Enough influential people believe that the election was sufficiently flawed that the issue will be raised in Congress in three days. We will get a better understanding at that time.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2021 19:23 utc | 24

ask stupid questions and look at all the responses....

@ 21 oglalla.. circe is a loon... if posters at moa had any brains they would ignore them, but apparently there are a lot of newbies here..

Posted by: james | Jan 3 2021 19:43 utc | 25

Circe@11 Repost with third option "Don't Care" You may get more responses.

Posted by: TDeL | Jan 3 2021 19:44 utc | 26

Dear Esteemed Mr. b -

There is no political party in China called the Chinese Communist Party(CCP). The political party which rules China is the Communist Party of China (CPC).

Sadly virtually everyone in the West insults the Chinese people by refusing to call the party by its proper name. How about the United American States.

Even here where much attention is paid to accurate reporting the name is butchered and also insulting to the Chinese people and nation.

Please note.

Posted by: Babyl-on | Jan 3 2021 19:49 utc | 27

Bluedotterel@10

Glycol

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jan 3 2021 19:50 utc | 28

Another of my predictions: USA will unite over hate for China ...

... is gaining steam:


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2021 19:50 utc | 29

Circe @ 11
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Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 3 2021 20:28 utc | 30

@Hari Seldon (haha) #17:

RE: China's non-elucidation of their systemic proclivities may simply be that they are so internalized in their culture they can't see the need to transmit. I think most of us in the west can't contemplate a system that doesn't include working 160 hrs / month for a paycheck that is largely spent on keeping middlemen whole.

Or, maybe they just don't want to divulge critical trade secrets? :)

Cheers, and thanks!

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Jan 3 2021 20:30 utc | 31

My next door neighbor is such a great believer in Science, that he says he's going to ask his doctor for a triple dose of the sars/covid vaccine. It's such a Good Thing, he thinks, that you can't get too much of it. True story!

Posted by: groucho | Jan 3 2021 20:31 utc | 32

All I wanted for 2020 was just one influential person to ask who paid for the creation of Covid 19, and why?. Apparently none cared. Second thing I wanted was a Snowden and Assange pardon. In the perfect world Assange charges would have been dropped. Alas no to any of it because apparently it doesn't benefit the Kushners and friends. The third thing I wanted was a legitimate case of election fraud presented. I live in PA, and we've been held hostage to the Greater Philadelphia democrats for as long as I can remember. Apparently not only will that continue, but we will be punished for voting for Trump, who in the end was either controlled opposition or a gaslighted fool. Finally I am a fiscal conservative who is fuming at this pork belly bill that gives no consideration to humanitarian disaster that the stupid lockdown has started. Not giving 2 grand per person, which in itself doesn't really help, is a disgrace. Nor with all this deficit spending are we going to avoid hyperinflation.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Jan 3 2021 20:34 utc | 33

@Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 3 2021 18:34 utc | 17

"I keep wondering why the China side fails to point out the public/private finance difference in a highly clear public manner?"

It is my impression that China is not about lecturing others or trying to change what other states do with internal policies.

This excerpt from the recent Escobar—Hudson conversation may explain further the Chinese position.

Michael: They’d [Blackstone] like to be able to create Dollars to begin to buy and make loans to real estate; let companies grow, let the real estate market grow and make capital gains.

The way people get wealthy today [under finanance capitalism] isn’t by making an income, it’s been by making a capital gain. Total returns are current income plus the capital gains. As for capital gains each year; the land value gains alone are larger than the whole GDP growth from year to year. So that’s where the money is, that’s where the wealth is.

So, they are after speculative capital gains, they would like to push money into the Chinese stock market and real estate market. See the prices go up and then inflate the prices by buying in and then sell out at the high price. Pull the money out, get a capital gain and let the economy crash, I mean that’s the business plan.

Pepe: Exactly. But Beijing will never allow that.

Michael: Well, here’s the problem right now, they know that Biden is pushing militarily aggressive people in his cabinet. There’s one kind of overhead that China is really trying to avoid and that’s the military overhead because if you spend money on the military, you can’t spend it on the real economy. They’re very worried about the military and they say, how do we deter the Biden administration from actually trying a military adventure in the China sea or elsewhere. They said well, fortunately America is multilayered. They don’t think of America as a group. They realize there’s a layer and they say, who’s going to represent our interests.
 
Well, Blackstone and Wall Street are going to represent their interests.
Then I think one of the, Chinese officials last week gave a big speech on this very thing, saying look, our best hope in stopping America’s military adventurism in China is to have Wall Street acting as our support because after all, Wall Street is the main campaign contributor and the president works for the campaign contributors.
 
The politician works for the campaign contributors. They’re in it for the money! So fortunately, we have Wall Street on our side, we’ve got control of the political system and they’re not there to go to war so that helps explain why a month ago they let a wholly owned US banks and bankers in. On the one hand, they don’t like the idea of somebody outside the government creating credit for reasons that the economy doesn’t need. If they kind of needed it, the bank of China would do it. They have no need for foreign currency to come in to make loans in domestic currency, out of China.
 
The only reason that they could do it is number one, it helps meet the world trade organization’s principles and, number two especially during this formative few months of the Biden administration, it helps to have Wall Street saying; we can make a fortune in China, go easy on them and that essentially counters the military hawks in Washington.

transcript @
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/12/a-hard-look-at-rent-and-rent-seeking-with-michael-hudson-pepe-escobar.html

Posted by: suzan | Jan 3 2021 20:41 utc | 34

James @ 25:

Ignoring a needy troll whose self-respect relies on everyone else agreeing with his/her opinion to the extent that s/he is prepared to ruin developing comments threads (with inflammatory language) is very hard, especially in the WordPress format used here where we cannot directly reply to certain comments and be able to ignore certain other comments.

Probably the best response is to call out the troll's behaviour for what it is: neediness, wanting attention, wanting others' approval and agreement for self-affirmation. The irony will be that the attention gained will be the polar opposite of the attention sought. Ridicule instead of applause.

The troll will continue regardless but at least by recognising the behaviour and what may be the motivation behind it, we can better decide how to deal with it.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 3 2021 20:47 utc | 35

Jackrabbit, 19:


"Sure, but many of them [Republican Senators] have not said how they would vote. Assuming that only 11 would vote for the proposed commission is misleading."

More than a major of Senators, some of whom are Republican, have made clear that they will certify Biden's win on Jan. 6th. No evidence contradicts this, no matter what you choose to rumormonger. Nor do Republicans have some massive Senate majority.


"=
[Me:] You've confused "the real deep state" with a bunch of xenophobic, highly anti-Semitic, gold bugs, ...

I'm not sure how you arrive at this view. The Democratic Party and Biden are just as Zionist and pro-Empire as the Republicans."

You're very confused about what I wrote, even though you quoted me.


"The Deep State is a group that exercises power, not a willy-nilly collection of self-styled patriots."

The Deep State [of the USA] is many different groups which don't always see eye to eye.


"This failure followed Bernie's sheepdogging: he would not attack Hillary on "character issues" (he famously declared: "Enough with your damn emails!"). Bernie's fake candidacy (he admitted that he was a friend of Hillary's for 25 years) ensured that she would face Trump (another friend of the Clintons)."

And yet, HRC still had to have her "win" of the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primary arranged. Ironically, her "win" involved vote tossing and voter suppression, much akin to what "elected" Trump in 2016.

I see too that you didn't bother to address Trump's 2016 loss to HRC, instead pretending to introduce the subject of how a bad a candidate HRC was, BUT that's something I'd already made clear in my post to which you were responding.

HRC's emails were only ever an issue to uninformed wingnuts, the private email server from which she ran the State Department is a different matter.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 3 2021 20:54 utc | 36

According to Niko House, Nancy Pelosi is struggling to get her numbers as the first round is underway. Plenty of room for a dirty deal done cheap yet IMO.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 3 2021 21:03 utc | 37

"Get ready for false side effects" I already have from headlines such as "Man dies of Covid-19" (he was 98 suffered from emphysema and lived in a factory death farm nursing home.)

Posted by: Tom | Jan 3 2021 21:22 utc | 38

Let this sink in. You can tell it's going to take awhile for people to get used to worrying about infectious diseases again:

An inflatable Christmas costume may have spread coronavirus particles at a California hospital, potentially infecting 44 employees

Anyway, Trump seems to finally have stepped in it:

In recorded phone call, Trump pressed Georgia election chief to 'find' votes for him

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 3 2021 21:31 utc | 39

Jay @Jan3 20:54 #36

Thanks for responding.

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More than a major of Senators, some of whom are Republican, have made clear that they will certify Biden's win on Jan. 6th.

We shall see in three days.

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You're very confused about what I wrote ...

Ok. Please clarify.

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The Deep State [of the USA] is many different groups ...

Intel/MIC are at the top of the pecking order.

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... you didn't bother to address Trump's 2016 loss to HRC, instead pretending to introduce the subject of how a bad a candidate HRC was ...

I did address it. And I didn't say she was a bad candidate, the trust of my remarks is that she threw the election to Trump.

Why would she do so? Because she's a team player and Team Deep State's #1 priority since 2013-14 is to counter the Russia-China Alliance. MAGA was first proposed by Kissinger in a WSJ Op-Ed of August 2014.

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HRC's emails were only ever an issue to uninformed wingnuts ...

That's irrelevant as to whether Bernie was a real candidate or not. Real politicians don't let their opponents off the hook on any issue, real or imagined.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2021 21:35 utc | 40

Pelosi elected on the second roll call - from The Hill live. The Social Democrats of America prove they are a complete fraud if they come away with no Medicare for All from this. Time will te,,

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 3 2021 21:48 utc | 41

Correction @Jan3 21:35 40: thrust of my remarks

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 3 2021 21:52 utc | 42

@ 35 jen... i agree with you.. except no calling out is going to matter as i see it.. it is what it is... some conversations happen, or periodically someone wants to knock everyone over the head with the same shite. like a broken record.. we all know how to distinguish the difference, except the ones doing it, it seems..

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2021 0:06 utc | 43

Whose the goat? 'Sore loser' Trump? or Corrupt Biden?

For most, "the answer" depends on their own partisan leanings.

But I think that MAGA! is a core part of the strategy to counter Russia and China, not simply a campaign slogan to be discarded. That strategy was first described by Kissinger in a WSJ Op-Ed 10 months before Trump became the MAGA! candidate.

To breathe life into that strategy requires what Trump termed winning. Winning instills confidence and pride. And we've seen Trump's winning abilities in partisan kayfabe: the Democrats feeble/fake "resistance" has resulted in several big wins for Trump: the Russiagate investigation came up empty; Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh was confirmed despite loud objections; the impeachment trial was a farce; Flynn was found to have been set-up. Then Trump topped it off with a resounding (and very suspicious) "defeat" of Covid-19 via American bio-tech, principally Regeneron and Remdesivir.

Is this glorious streak of MAGA! winning ending? Is that what a Deep State planner would like to see?

I doubt it.

Trump was warning about mail-in ballots in early Summer. And political "war games" were conducted at about the same time:

They met virtually on Zoom, four days over two weeks in June, to hold simulations known in the military and intelligence communities as "war games."

There were 67 players – many of them high-profile critics of President Donald Trump – including law professors, retired military officers, former senior U.S. officials, political strategists and attorneys.

Instead of mapping out a geopolitical conflict, the group peered ahead to the Nov. 3 election, now less than 90 days away, and explored how the race between Trump and Joe Biden could turn into a post-election crisis.

John Podesta, a former top aide to President Barack Obama and President Bill Clinton's former chief of staff, played Biden. Two outspoken Republican critics of Trump, David Frum and Bill Kristol, portrayed the president.

After gaming out various scenarios, the group said its conclusions were "alarming:" In an election taking place amid a pandemic, a recession and rising political polarization, the group found a substantial risk of legal battles, a contested outcome, violent street clashes and even a constitutional impasse.

"We assess with a high degree of likelihood that November's elections will be marked by a chaotic legal and political landscape," the Transition Integrity Project, which organized the "war games," said in a report this week.


It should be clear that the research and planning for "war games" with 67 players would have begun months before June 2020.

Does anyone think that people like Podesta, Kristol, and Frum have our best interests at heart? As oglalla @Jan3 19:12 #22 notes, the prospect of a Trump win is scary because (as in 2016) it would be arranged for a frightening purpose: to ensure that USA/West continue and extend their global dominance up to and including war.

It has been argued by some at moa that Biden is WORSE than Trump on foreign policy (because his FP is supposedly driven by the Deep State while Trump's is not). Biden, like Hillary Bush McCain Brennan etc, is a Deep Stater and avowed Zionist. He will not undo anything Trump has done.

The advantage to the Deep State of Trump instead of Biden is that Trump is: 1) a better communicator and 2) closely associated with MAGA! patriots (aka white people). The US military has never forgotten the cardinal lesson of Vietnam: the war was lost on the homefront. And it wasn't hippies or marches in support of black civil rights protesters that caused that, it was the disillusionment of the white middle-class.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2021 0:12 utc | 44

@Jay #8
While I have zero faith in Jackrabbit’s Newsmax-ish prediction, neither is what you said sensible.
If Trump supporters “threw out” so many votes, and those swing states did not experience any significant state electoral changes, then it is simply not credible that the likely same state electoral officials completely changed their tune.
The election was stolen but legitimately: the excuse of COVID to enable mass mail in ballots is what did it. A least a few of the instances of “bad behavior” are due to the realities of handling this flood of mail in ballots.
But the same reality also notes that Trump made it really close nonetheless. And most of those people who voted for Trump are far more energized than Democrats in 2016.
The 2022 midterms will validate if the above is true, but certainly the Democrat party performance in 2020 was pathetic.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 4 2021 0:12 utc | 45

PEG polyethylene glycol is one of two major ingredients used as a solvent in ejuice or vape juice .
It and the other major ingredient Vegetable Glycerin are used by ejuice manufacturers because not only are they chemically suitable, a stable solvent, both have been approved food additives for decades and have been tested many times by the FDA and the EU's food safety authority. I and millions of others have been ingesting PEG for years & have never seen or heard of anyone having an allergic reaction.

If anaphylaxis was even a small % response to PEG, vapers would be dropping like flies, especially so since vapers use the stuff regularly every day. The notion that a couple of small doses of that stuff will kill is laughable.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 4 2021 0:27 utc | 46

@3 vk

You are ridiculous.

When elites from two separate nations conspire to exploit the labor of one or the other and foresake the laborer of the prior nation, that is globalism.

You are such a shill for the CCP that why anyone takes you seriously for your analysis is beyond me.

You are a dirty, whorish plant.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Jan 4 2021 0:27 utc | 47

etc., etc.,

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 0:29 utc | 48

Quick note regarding @Jan4 0:12 #45

Those of us that believe that the duopoly works for TPTB not the people are more likely to see June's "war gaming" as a planning exercise instead of the scholarly study that it is presented as.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2021 0:32 utc | 49

Well I pooped that post :)

Failedevolution blogspot reports Palantir porks the Greeks.

With the permission of the Greek PM - who is taking advantage of the COVID-19 pandemic - Palantir is harvesting and analyzing data from Greek citizens. The government is collecting data today that may be proved useful tomorrow, as the scenario of a general election before the normal completion of Mitsotakis' administration term in 2023, is becoming more and more probable.

As Documento notes, Palantir collaborated with Cambridge Analytica, using psychometric methods and algorithms to analyze specific Facebook data from millions of users.

Based on the specific data analysis, the company categorized Facebook users in various groups with common characteristics. One of the groups was named "the gullible". The next stage was to manipulate and influence this group. People of this group had been "bombarded" with specific messages, fake news, videos etc. As a result of the whole operation, many American citizens voted for Trump, while many British citizens voted for Brexit...

...So, it's quite probable that New Democracy and Mitsotakis had already received some special advice from Palantir to manipulate voters and use the big media to spread the propaganda, before the 2019 general election. As Documento reports, Mitsotakis had already met with Palantir CEO, Alex Karp, during a Bilderberg Group meeting in the summer of 2018.

etc., etc.,

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 0:35 utc | 50

@ Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Jan 4 2021 0:27 utc | 48

When elites from two separate nations conspire to exploit the labor of one or the other and foresake the laborer of the prior nation, that is globalism.

The explanation for that is very simple: collateral casualties. The world doesn't revolve around the American working class, they're not special.

Note: since the Chinese working class' average wage has been doubling in real terms every ten years since the CPC took over, I'm assuming you're talking about the victimization of the American working class only (specially, but not only, the white working class from the Rust Belt).

Posted by: vk | Jan 4 2021 0:39 utc | 51

Jackrabbit@45 I think is wrong in accepting the US military's "stab in the back" theory. The US army was defeated in every sense but body counts, a foolish attempt at a quantitative metric. It was not the middle class turning against the war that really caused the problems, it was the collapse of soldier morale, which was due to the inability to defeat the Vietnamese. Soldiers were refusing orders and even killing officers! That was vastly more important than "middle class" white people "turning" against the war. Johnson purged himself but Nixon still won the election of 1968, so the turning is rather overstated. No, the real response of the military was to ditch conscription and got to an all volunteer army, i.e., de facto mercenary (but with a strong underpinning of Christian bigotry, especially among the officer caste.) The apologists can whine about how the Tet offensive was a net loss for the Vietnamese but the fact was that they were already supposed to be beaten. The school that says Tet was the real turning point where the body counts magically added up enough to win ignore the state of troop morale, which was defeated. The military can't fail, but can only *be failed* by sissy civilians is just more US militarism, I think.

c1ue@46 is correct that people voting (by mail in ballots) is why Trump lost so big in the vote, so big even the Republicans' vote suppression and the anti-democratic structure of the Electoral College couldn't turn that loser into a two-term president. And the position that somehow people being able to vote easily is corruption and evil is reflex elitism, anti-democratic (small d democracy, not anti-Democratic Party. Vicious reactionaries hate the idea of ordinary people voting en masse, that's why they work so hard to legally limit voting to two parties bought and paid for by the donor class.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 4 2021 0:45 utc | 52

suzan @34 & psychohistorian @17--

China besides "opening-up" has enacted a series of laws dealing with banking & finance, of which I only linked to one just prior to New Years. Here's one of those articles, "China moves to cap lenders’ property loans to prevent housing market bubbles."

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2021 0:52 utc | 53

Jackrabbit #45

Another scenario I consider is that the permanent state preferred Trump to win in 2016 as they could test his blatant nationalism and MAGA concept to push the overton window waaayyy to the right and simultaneously poke Russia, China, Iran to test their malleability in the face of provocation. They were gaming in real time to assess their next strategy which was to return the D party (without Clinton) to the Presidency and Congress in 2020 being certain that their return would be further beneficial to wage aggression across the globe and enrich the Banks and MIC. I say - without Clinton - as they likely found her too big for her boots or damaged goods beyond redemption and therefore unfit for their safe use.

It keeps solid perimeters around the two party system
It further drives the trigger happy rightist cells to better organise and maintain their rage
It binds the left and reinforces the permanent state's manipulation of the fringe such as the Democratic Socialist party
It enlarges the use of wedge politics to suppress any chance of progressive legislation in a crisis

That way they maintain their capacity to steer both parties and the legislative agenda behind their opaque wall.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 0:56 utc | 54

@52 vk

You are forever excluding the "national phenomenon" from your analysis, and that is why you will forever be proved wrong.

Our nation, right now, is on the cusp of a great earthquake which will change its arrangement so that the interior will not be beholden to the coastal elites much longer, who have themselves thrown off the mantle of nationhood in favor of the globalist paradigm which values nihilistic individualism over all.

In your prescribed collapse of capitalism, do you really think that the coastal elites in the U.S. Who are they themselves the great profiteers in our globalist arrangement with China, will not taste the bitter fruits of what they have sewn? What do you think will happen then?

I know for a fact what will happen. The reemergence of the remaining loyalists to the U.S. Constitution and a truth and reconciliation moment where these coastal elites, who facilitated this arrangement and continue to administer this with China, will be given the Nuremberg treatment. That is the trajectory of history from my vantage point.

The west is in for some hard times but it is indeed for the best for the supremecy of natural religions to reemerge as victors in the Hegelian dialectic of which the globalists have tried in vain to put a lid on.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 1:07 utc | 55

Why is it so difficult to answer a question with a simple YES or NO?

Either you believe Trump won the election or you believe he lost.

Why are you all so chicken (with the exception of Mark2) to state where you stand on this? Yes Trump won; No, he lost. Either he won or he lost! There is no middle ground or grey area on this. So which is it?

On Wednesday, (maybe the following day for Europe), I know b will have a thread on the Election results subject, because it will be the No.1 issue all day in Congress and in the news front and centre. Might as well come clean now on where you stand on this.

Saker believes the election was stolen from Trump, ergo, believes Trump won. His readers expressed their view. Why can he express it and you can't?

Do you believe Trump won the Election? And don't give me: it doesn't matter. There's a winner and a loser...period. Whether it matters who won is another topic for a different discussion.

From all you've witnessed and read, do you believe Trump won the election?

Posted by: Circe | Jan 4 2021 1:14 utc | 56

steven t johnson @Jan4 0:45 #53

Jackrabbit@45 I think is wrong in accepting the US military's "stab in the back" theory.

I don't accept the "stab in the back" theory. But I think the U.S. Military accepts it as gospel.

As you describe, the war was already going badly and soldier moral was poor as a result. But military rationalized their loss as a lack of political will in the face of citizen disenchantment. AFAICT they have stuck to that view for decades.

Sorry if I wasn't clear on my view of this @45.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2021 1:36 utc | 57

I just want to know one thing from you: Do you honestly believe Trump won the Election?

And then explain why Republicans have no problem with the results down the ballot?

It's okay to clamor and protest for more social justice, but what is not okay is to overturn a process where people actually exercised their will and in numbers historically unprecedented.

If you destroy fact with fiction and eliminate the will of 81,000,000 people; 7 Million more than Trump got, then does anything else matter?

Don't skirt the question: Do you believe Trump won the election?

I'll answer with numbers.....

It is acknowledged that Trump got 74 million votes.

There were 156 million voters registered....

About 62% voted... == 97 million voted.

That leaves 23 million for Biden....

This accords with the number of people at his rallies compared to those attending Trump's rallies....

Then there is the not too small issue of the 1998 Unanimous Supreme Court Decision in the Louisiana case...

"The election must occur on one day... It ends at midnight on that day"

Given that is the case... all votes not counted by midnight on 3 Nov should have been discarded... or the vote nullified...

That requirement alone would give PA, WI, GA, AZ, to Trump because he was leading in those states prior to midnight. Were this to happen Trump would win hands down....

So, to answer your question.... Trump won... Biden lost...

But to go further... Putting Biden in the Oval Office represents a loss for the electorate. Biden is corrupt, his entire career has been one trying to eliminate Social Security and other entitlement programs including Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and AFDC. Biden is for all intents and purposes, in-competent.

The democrats should have gone with Vermont Senator Sanders... Who is not a Marxist, by any measure.

I'd much prefer Sanders... as would almost all US Citizens....

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 4 2021 2:47 utc | 58

You are such a shill for the CCP that why anyone takes you seriously for your analysis is beyond me.

Dear everyone... the initials are CPC... "Communist Party of China"...

Also, the CPC has shown that it cares about the citizens of China.... it has no mandate to care for those of the
USA and other countries.....

I guess this causes heartburn.... That a government actually CARES FOR ITS CITIZENS must be a revelation to you...

That a government is competent, and uses that competency to eliminate a bio-weapon introduced into it's country
by it's enemies, while the perpetrator whistles into the wind, and suffers 400,000 deaths subsequently, apparently causes you heart burn....

SO............?????????????????

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 4 2021 2:54 utc | 59

Note: since the Chinese working class' average wage has been doubling in real terms every ten years since the CPC took over, I'm assuming you're talking about the victimization of the American working class only (specially, but not only, the white working class from the Rust Belt).

Some math.....

From US Census Data...
Total US Population = 331,002,651
Average US Per Capita Income (USD 2019) = $35,977.
From World Odometer
Population of China = 1,442,055,798
Chinese Per Capita Income (USD - 2020) = $10,276

US Population X Per Cap Income = 11.9 USD$(trillions) = 54% of US - GDP
PRC population X Per Cap Income = 14.8 USD$(trillions) = 96% of PRC - GDP

By this metric......
Chinese Main Street GDP is 124% of USA Main Street GDP

This means that 46% of US GDP consists of financial manipulation in the FIRE sector, while the FIRE sector in China is only 4% of the Chinese economy.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 4 2021 3:05 utc | 60

vk@3 Good links, particularly the one by Carl Zha. Trump's Deputy NSA Matt Pottinger who headed the COVID response team is painted as some sort of hero in the New Yorker piece "The Plague Year". The guy was a China-phobe and the only thing he has to his credit is ordering the suspension of flights from China. The two podcasts with the interviews with "Mr. T" can also be accessed here.

Posted by: Maracatu | Jan 4 2021 3:06 utc | 61

Also, the CPC has shown that it cares about the citizens of China

To add to this, Vijay Prashad has noted that there is much more civic duty in China (and other socialist countries) as well. China's remarkable response to COVID relied not just on competence of the government but also of citizens who volunteered at local level to help with all manner of tasks such as contract tracing, buying groceries for neighbors, helping the elderly, & etc. to make the brief quarantine be effective. Ironically in the US, the citizens passively waited for government to come to their rescue. Socialism, as it turns out, cultivates civic responsibility, initiative, and independence in people.

Posted by: nkvd | Jan 4 2021 3:21 utc | 62

My guess is that more people will seek a COVID shot than will decline the offer. A lot of people are in "wait and see/ fence-sitting" mode. It was a smart move to put frontline medical staff at the head of the queue because they are regarded as giving INFORMED consent to vaccination. When no significant ill-effects emerge among this demographic then the majority of fence-sitters will join the queue.
I'm predicting that there will always be more people willing/eager to be vaccinated than available vaccine shots until late 2020, at least.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 4 2021 3:42 utc | 63

So Pelosi is voted in as speaker of the house, which means the famous faux-socialist "Squad" supported her at the expense of leveraging a floor vote on Medicare For All.

These total poseurs successfully ignored the #ForceTheVote groundswell, and completely discredited themselves as any kind of left wing, if those terms even mean anything anymore (I don't use them personally but I accept that the words are still in common currency).

Many thanks to uncle tungsten for bringing all this to our attention - I wouldn't have known otherwise, and I suppose that most of the country are completely unaware of what just happened. But YouTube comedians and other independent journalists are aware, and maybe there will be ways to shame these Squaddies when their own votes come up someday.

Well done, Jimmy Dore - citizen activism at its finest and most authentic.

I really liked what guest comedian Ron Placone said in a kind of exasperated despair on Jimmy's show:

"It's not an unreasonable ask. If asking for a vote on healthcare during a pandemic is a bridge too far, then, what's the point of even being a country?"

Amen.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 4 2021 3:45 utc | 64

Oops!
...until late 2021, at least.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 4 2021 3:49 utc | 65

Jackrabbit:

"... you didn't bother to address Trump's 2016 loss to HRC, instead pretending to introduce the subject of how a bad a candidate HRC was ...

I did address it. And I didn't say she was a bad candidate, the trust of my remarks is that she threw the election to Trump."

Changing what you said afterward doesn't vitiate the fact that you didn't address HRC's win of the general election in 2016.

There is no evidence HRC threw the election to Trump.

There's evidence that she believed her marketing, that she was a strong candidate, and the Obama marketing that the US economy was good for most.

Important fact about HRC's election wins. She's had exactly 2 real ones. And neither was a great challenge. She was gifted the 2000 New York State Democratic Party's nomination for Senate--there was no primary--and ran in the general election against a weak candidate, who had replaced Rudy Giuliani. Then HRC faced no serious challenge to her 2006 re-election as Senator. But someone that next to no one had heard of beat her in the 2008 primary race. She's not very bright and not a good campaigner.


"HRC's emails were only ever an issue to uninformed wingnuts ...

That's irrelevant as to whether Bernie was a real candidate or not. Real politicians don't let their opponents off the hook on any issue, real or imagined."

In the 2016 primary, Sanders campaigned on the issues, the emails weren't an issue to anyone but uninformed wingnuts. The email server, like HRC's speeches to GS, were an issue.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 4 2021 4:15 utc | 66

Trump lost the election and Biden looks likely to be inaugurated.

The Dimratss as usual sold out the vast majority of their constituents by electing a Chairperson of no integrity, no compassion and absolutely no interest in delivering medicare for all to US citizens. Not one moments interest even in the biggest pandemic in USA history and coincident with the greatest economic downturn ever.

That is what 'winning' means for some people.

Meanwhile Israeli citizens are loving every minute of their medicare for all system fully paid for by the USA.

That is what 'winning' means for some people.

Immediate cowardly betrayal of US citizens by their newly elected Congress and President is what usually happens in the week or so following USA elections. That betrayal has been uninterrupted for decades.

That is what 'winning' means to some people.

Right now the USA military and its mighty arsenal are being used to murder citizens of other countries throughout the world. That imperial army and its arsenal are erasing diverse human cultures throughout the world.

That is what 'winning' means for some people.

Simultaneously the USA government has been imposing illegal economic sanctions on many people and copanies and entire nations throughout the world in direct contravention of United Nations agreements and protocols and even the International Court system.

That is what 'winning' means for some people.

I don't consider any of those circumstances to be 'winning'. Rather I consider them to be crimes against humanity.

So you can take your win and shove it up your rs except that I see that your head is obstructing such a gesture.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 4:27 utc | 67

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jan 3 2021 19:50 utc | 28
Thanks for the clarifying link, and

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 4 2021 0:27 utc | 47
Thanks for for muddying it up again.

Maybe in a couple of weeks or so, I can get a break and do some research myself. I simply don't trust Pfizer due to its corporate crime record: testing drugs illegally on African children, defective heart valves, Heart attacks with arthritis drugs, and on and on and on. And Pfizer is one of the more ethical Big Pharma Corps! I don't know if people are more anti-vaccine as anti-big pharma vaccine.

Posted by: Bluedotterel | Jan 4 2021 4:45 utc | 68

@67 hoarse

As long as mandatory vaccinations are not threatened by our overlords, I see no problem with people lining up to take a Darpa-funded experimental vaccine. Let them be lemmings in the same proportion that those aschewing such mandates desire to be.

After all, it needs to be echoed far and wide that the vaccine DOES NOT PREVENT TRANSMISSION!

At the very best, it prevents the clinical disease, meaning serious symptoms for which people seek medical treatment.

Spread it far and wide, people! These vaccines need not for any rational, scientific reasoning be forced upon anyone in the west.

Posted by: Nemesiscalling | Jan 4 2021 5:03 utc | 69

YES 2 NO 3

Remember this all you hiding from this question of whether you believe Trump won the election?:

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality. quote by Dante or JFK

I actually believe your deliberate ambiguity represents the cowardice that coexists with duplicity.

Although Uncle T. is in the NO group, he sounds like he wishes he were in the YES group with those sour grapes he just delivered.

Trump was a depraved individual whose sanctions hurts millions of people in Iran, Venezuela, Syria and Cuba, not to mention funding war crimes in Yemen and trying to undo the ACA domestically. But, strangely he doesn't rail against that, he just spits vile hate against Biden who isn't even in power yet.

I see the M4A propaganda stunt failed. Good. AOC was right. The timing of this with the power of Congress at stake with two Senate races in a Conservative leaning state like Georgia was self-sabotage. Once the Dems take the Senate, AOC and Sanders can lead that effort, and not some cynical clown with a megaphone who has trouble saying one bad thing about Trump and who just wants to blow up the Left to get attention.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 4 2021 5:09 utc | 70

CNN + WaPo: "Here is the full transcript of and audio of the call between Trump and Raffensperger" reg. the Georgia elections.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

That's where NSA/FBI Deep State friends are paid for.

On Biden zilch dirt, him being the new poster geriatric.

Posted by: Antonym | Jan 4 2021 5:28 utc | 71

@ Circe 11

NO Trump did not 'win' the election.

Neither did Sleepy Joe 'win.' These days candidates don't win, incumbents loose, such is the contempt most people hold for the corrupt, bland and uninspiring choices on offer, particularly in the major English speaking countries. In Australia, for example, voting is compulsory, probably for the reasons above. It doesn't matter who you vote for... A politician always gets in.

That's why we need real freedom of speech and a real free media. Freedom of speech is indivisible.... you either have it or you don't.

Posted by: Paul | Jan 4 2021 5:40 utc | 72

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 1:07 utc | 56

Our nation, right now, is on the cusp of a great earthquake which will change its arrangement so that the interior will not be beholden to the coastal elites much longer, who have themselves thrown off the mantle of nationhood in favor of the globalist paradigm which values nihilistic individualism over all.

So, in short, you're describing capitalism. A capitalist economy favors individualism, profits over morality, and is mostly centered around the idea of private property as described by John Locke. This worked wonders in the vast uncharted territories of America in the 18th and 19th century, when the population of the United States was below 20 million and they needed to compete, FAST, against agressive european civilizations who looked at them with envy.
Now that they are 332 millions and counting, that their natural resources are slowly depleting and that other civilizations have adapted to the previously unknown phenomenon of the american empire, USans are faced with a crisis in all sectors, including faith. How come a system that worked so well for you these past 300 years suddenly fails? well, not suddenly, but realizing that took a while.

Oh, I know!! It must be because of all those treacherous businessmen who traded their souls and their country for a quick buck! but we need to condemn them without condemning the whole system, and saying "capitalism sucks" makes us sound like Ivan the Red Commie. What a pickle. Let's call them "globalists"! so we can rally the nationalists as a bonus and say it's all because of evil foreigners.

On certain sites, it goes as far as calling "globalists" ... communists. Or Chinese. Or Russian. Sure, why not, everyone needs their Emmanuel Goldstein.

"Globalism" is a funny name some weirdos invented since the first Wall Street crashes happened to justify the worst excesses of the current capitalist economic system without pointing the finger at the real culprits. I say it's funny because it looks like nationalist clickbait for the 2 minutes of hate everyone in the West is prescribed each day in this hyper-social Internet.

Sad fact is, "globalists" are run-of-the-mill bosses who decided it was better for their end-of-year bonuses if they outsourced some or all of their production to cheap chinese companies, and not have to pay US salaries anymore. That's not globalist, that's called looking to make a profit in the short term.

Posted by: Lemming | Jan 4 2021 5:47 utc | 73

Posted by: Lemming | Jan 4 2021 5:47 utc | 77

The current term "globalization" was originated by Ted Levitt in an article in the Harvard Business Review in the 80s and taken up by the Reaganites to push for offshoring of factories to countries with fewer workers rights and environmental concerns. He edited the magazine and was a professor at Harvard Business School. Those "weirdos" who championed the term were the corporate and financial behemoths that preferred it as a euphemism for "economic imperialism"

Posted by: Bluedotterel | Jan 4 2021 6:04 utc | 74

Circe--

Well before the election, I said the Duopoly candidate would win; and since both candidates represent the Duopoly, the Duopoly was the clear winner regardless the nature of their prop. That was back around June when I wrote similar words, thus answering your question prior to its being asked.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2021 6:19 utc | 75

@ james, @ jen

It’s been a year since I bothered interacting with our resident DNC zealot. Since at times I felt more “on the same wavelength”, I figured I’d try to communicate. Oh well...

Posted by: oglalla | Jan 4 2021 6:20 utc | 76

@ Jackrabbit

I suspect the “fragging” really scared them. Imagine if morale fell further. What comes next? Mass surrender or defections? Imagine reading that in the history books.

Posted by: oglalla | Jan 4 2021 6:24 utc | 77

@77 lemming

You are not bright.

Tell me a better term than "globalist" for nationals who are titans of industry who betray their fellow nationals in the labor force by looking outside their own nation?

Yeah, didn't think you COULD come up with a better term because, guess what, it is a term with great merit. And yes, we are currently in the death throes of the globalist epoch.

Deal with it.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 6:34 utc | 78

The bunny is desperate to get even a splinter of "the Deep State are going to make 2020 a trump landslide" when he knows damn well that isn't the case.
Just accept you got it wrong bunny and move on - learn from it don't try to hide it.

The idea that the amerikan elite is comprised of 100% like-minded supporters of a one track mind monolithic organisation is what got you into this mess bunny.
Study history more closely and learn that not only does the amerikan elite suffer from copious internal disputation (the amerikan civil war being the classic example just like watergate, russiagate & all the other 'gates'), amerika's elite is no different to all the other nations' elites in that they can be clumsy, ignorant & incompetent more often than they get things right.

Greed which is the primary motivator for an elite will always lead to disagreements as participants jostle to get the best spot in any scenario they plan and greed also causes these scumbags to over-estimate & over-sell their abilities.
As others have pointed out Biden the former senator for corporations was always going to be favoured by those members of the elite who have already 'made it' and want an administration that will behave in what they consider to be a stable, predictable manner.
The up & comers are more likely to favour trump, hoping that one of his more off the wall moves will indeed 'come up trumps'.

I have no doubt that there were quite a few dodgy strokes pulled by both halves of the amerikan empire party, there has never been a prez election where that has not been the case and I reckon that one of the reasons that some of the rethug state administrations have been reluctant to open the books to a public investigation is that they had engaged in the usual rethug vote suppression & ballot box stuffing they always pull, but this time it wasn't sufficient, the dims won anyway & they don't want evidence of those stunts to be public.
I'm equally sure that some dim administrations pulled some of their stunts 'just in case' also & they are concerned too.

Over the decades I have been watching the amerikan prez beauty contest ballot rigging by both sides has become so obvious that I am surprised anyone believed them to be honest & I would never be able to pick who 'really' won.

Instead of wasting energy on pointless totally unprovable claims of who actually won, amerikans would be smarter to agitate for the truly non-partisan single 'elections commision' that every other nation has, along with the abolition of rules which unduly favour dems & rethugs ahead of all other political structures - then maybe elections could get more representative of what more amerikans favour politically. I won't hold my breath for that, simply because the rightist elites will use their federalist tosh to obstruct any such thing.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 4 2021 6:37 utc | 79

As I have mentioned to vk before, the pure binary set-up of capitalism/marxism is smashed and broken upon the rock of nationalism.

For vk's fantasy of marxism to ever occur, the world would have to dispense with the idea of nation.

Does anyone see this happening in the short term? Me neither.

Long term?

Me neither.

Globalists are merely good at outrunning pitchforks...for a while.

But the nation wants what it wants and will not be denied. I eagerly await the spillage of blood in the metaphorical sense which will signify the beginning of a new epoch.

Read the old testament and the tower of babel to know what happens when men seek glory beyond the borders of their own nation. It's there in black and white.

And it is the same reason why us Americans can't stand Europeans and James (a stand-in for a garden variety Canadians). And vice versa. No offense.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 6:46 utc | 80

re james #25 who reckoned " @ 21 oglalla.. circe is a loon... if posters at moa had any brains they would ignore them, but apparently there are a lot of newbies here.."

The first statement about the lunacy of that 'poster' is correct, the second statement not so much, from memory oglalla has been posting here since the noughties and is far from being a newbie.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 4 2021 6:46 utc | 81

@ Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 4 2021 2:47 utc | 61

Comment 269 on OT 2020 - 103 copied here:

@ Circe | Jan 3 2021 14:34 utc | 267

Dearest Circe,

You seem to have lost all rationality in your commentary, being subsumed with overwhelming emotional political attachments. You do not allow others their political choices, just as a precocious kindergartener just learning social behaviour.

The answer you demand does not require support of your favourite evil to be answered. What answers your demand is: Has the election been conducted in a fair and legal manner? With numerous sworn affidavits as well as certified malfunction of vote counting from programming on a widely used voting machine provider requiring a close and complete audit everywhere that machine and program were used to establish veracity of the recorded vote in those districts and states. Until these are done, no result can effectively be certified. Don't make a fool of yourself further by insisting on your narrow demands of supporting one candidate over your preferred emotional choice. You do need professional help for a TDS recovery program.

Yours is a symptom of a generation who have lost the necessary skills and ability to enter into functional communication, the ability to negotiate and ultimately enter into agreement with others; it is based on moral absolutes, non-negotiable, imperatives. Such cost the generations coming of age in the 1960's and '70's their claims for revision of national policies. Your path will not prevail any more than that of antiwar hippies did against 'law and order' and 'moral majority'. Don't continue coding yourself otherwise. Please grow up before your numbered days - you just might enjoy the views of adults.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 3 2021 16:38 utc | 269

It is certainly possible to have a republic without public elections - see Venetian Republic where the mercantile class held power as one example or the city-states of Italy, but it is impossible to have a democracy without a secure process of election that is trusted by the designated electorate. Not to overlook the fact that (near) universal suffrage does not a democracy make, only a widespread citizenry within a political institution, even monarchies can claim to be democracies FFS, so bizarrely construed has the language become. Once the trust in the election process is destroyed, like the Humpty egg on the wall, reconstruction is near impossible. Circe has been delusional for some time. Circe decided I was a supporter of DJT from the copied material above that doesn't even contain the president's name. Circe cannot respect anything but Circe's POV. Circe will receive the respect Circe shows others, at least from me.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 4 2021 6:47 utc | 82

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 6:34 utc | 82

Already gave you one, if you were actually capable to read: "capitalism".

Whatever one calls it, it's a thing that needs to be put down if we are to survive as a species in the future, but the fact you think I was defending what you call "globalism" makes me doubt we have the intellect required.

Cheers and have another beer.

Posted by: Lemming | Jan 4 2021 6:51 utc | 83

@87 lemming

What does that make the Chinese then to be able to play the capitalist game better? Marxists?

Go read some more. And THINK.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 6:56 utc | 84

Jay @Jan4 4:15 #70

Once again, thanks for your reply as it provides a chance to dispel some misconceptions.

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Changing what you said afterward doesn't vitiate the fact that you didn't address HRC's win of the general election in 2016.

I've been saying that Hillary threw the election for nearly three years. Just 'cause I didn't repeat myself once again doesn't mean anything. Look back at the archives or to my blog.

And attempting to limit discussion via some debate club procedural crap tells us something of your motive for participating here.

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There is no evidence HRC threw the election to Trump.

I think you mean there's no one in MSM that is willing to even speculate about such a thing.

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There's evidence that she believed her marketing, that she was a strong candidate, and the Obama marketing that the US economy was good for most.

Thanks for repeating the Party line.

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Important fact about HRC's election wins. She's had exactly 2 real ones... She's not very bright and not a good campaigner.

You're counting her primary win against sheepdog Sanders as a 'win'? LOL.

And you're using the 'win' criteria to dismiss her campaign experience with her husband (two wins) and her attempt in 2008!

Hillary is very savvy and had access to the best political advice. "Believed her own marketing" is a lame excuse for losing when the entire establishment (including Republicans) was counting on her to beat Trump.

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In the 2016 primary, Sanders campaigned on the issues, the emails weren't an issue to anyone but uninformed wingnuts. The email server, like HRC's speeches to GS, were an issue.

In the 2016 primary Sanders refused to attack Hillary on character issues. That was pulling punches. Something no real candidate would do.

When Sanders entered the race he announced that he only wanted to be a voice for the Left. Black Agenda Report declared Sanders a 'sheepdog' soon after. And Sanders proved them to be correct as he led his sheep astray in both 2016 and again in 2020.

Even "uninformed wingnuts" know that the FBI's announcement that Hillary's emails contained highly sensitive information came too late for the Democratic Party to find an alternative. How convenient.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2021 6:56 utc | 85

@ debs

Thanks. I’ve been around a while but probably only the past 7 years. While I’m addressing you possibly for the first time, I should mention I enjoy reading your posts!

@ bemildred

Thanks for chiming in on my question to the group in a recent thread.

...

Happy 2021 to all of you. You people continue to educate me. Thank you!

Posted by: oglalla | Jan 4 2021 7:01 utc | 86

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 6:56 utc | 88

Calling the Chinese "capitalists" was the great tour-de-force the American capitalists managed to do in the 80s in order to convince everyone that the massive amount of trade they did with China was kosher ... it doesn't mean they actually are.

There is some level of economic activity that the CPC allows at a "private" level, if such a term can exist in the PRC, but every deal of importance must be approved. Jack Ma got slapped on the wrist for attempting an IPO on Ant, and is now crawling back to the CPC in order not to lose his empire. This is as it should be.

Of course to slogan screamers such as yourself this won't matter. Can't have that beer go down the wrong way.

Posted by: Lemming | Jan 4 2021 7:10 utc | 87

Debsisdead @Jan4 6:37 #83

Just accept you got it wrong bunny and move on - learn from it don't try to hide it.

I made the point that MAGA Trump would be the logical choice as winner if the Deep State is moving to a war footing against Russia, China, and Iran. And I have described why that is so.

The "landslide" prediction was based NOT on what I want to see but my analysis of Deep State priorities. And many Trump supporters (NB I am not a Trump supporter!) believe that Trump did win by a landslide (see Dr. George W Oprisko @Jan4 2:47 #61 for an example).

So what exactly do you have an issue with?

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The idea that the amerikan elite is comprised of 100% like-minded supporters of a one track mind monolithic organisation is what got you into this mess bunny.

You are mischaracterizing my view. I believe that US intelligence and MIC were motivated to pull rank/take the reins due to the threat posed by the Russia-China alliance. A threat that was belatedly recognized in 2013-14 when Russia stood up to USA in Syria and Ukraine. Before that, it was assumed that Russia would eventually join with the West and China would be isolated.

Its funny that some commenters here argue that USA/Empire is falling behind but seem to expect that the US power elite will not act to prevent that from happening despite evidence that they are indeed doing so.

Isn't it clear by now that USA is not trying to reach a rapport with Russia and China? They are gradually eliminating trade ties with Empire adversaries and are preparing for war with a big military build-up, discarding arms control treaties, militarizing space, and breath-taking belligerence like 1) reneging on NK peace treaty; 2) occupying Syrian oil fields; 3) snubbing the UN to support Israel; 3) assassinating Gen. Soleimani; 4) seizing Venezuelan State assets; and I would add 5) the Beirut port explosion - a 911-like event for Lebanon that has effectively sidelined Hezbollah as a political force.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 4 2021 7:24 utc | 88

Posted by: oglalla | Jan 4 2021 7:01 utc | 90

Happy 2021 to you too, and to all of the barflies, whatever their persuasion!

Posted by: Lemming | Jan 4 2021 7:24 utc | 89

Posted by: oglalla | Jan 4 2021 7:01 utc | 90

Happy 2021 to you too, and to all of the barflies, whatever their persuasion!

Posted by: Lemming | Jan 4 2021 7:28 utc | 90

@91 lemming

your example of government chastising ma is nothing more than an example of regulating titans.

IOW, nationalism.

Congrats on proving my point.

Thanks for the beer.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 7:35 utc | 91

@ NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 6:34 utc | 82

Tell me a better term than "globalist" for nationals who are titans of industry who betray their fellow nationals in the labor force by looking outside their own nation?

A term of rather recent vintage is Labour arbitrage that is substituting less costly labour for higher costing labour. The driving motive for all offshoring or externalising labour resources from the home marketplace. Walmart made billions doing this as does Amazon.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 4 2021 7:47 utc | 92

India Punchline has concerns that Iran might provoke Trump and that the next few weeks prior to the inauguration of the next clown are HIGH RISK. Iran has passed laws to enrich uranium to 20% although not sent those laws to the government for implementation.

In response the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz has been recalled home from the Persian Gulf.

With 17 days to go before vacating the White House, Trump will suffer a huge loss of face if he does nothing. But if he resorts to act of war without Congressional approval, it will be not only sedition but would potentially have horrific consequences in American lives, apart from causing destruction of Israel and the US’ allies in the Persian Gulf.

Perhaps but it is possible that Trump will do nothing and entrust the next move to the new Congress. Are they capable of demanding the President do something? Would they take the risk or would they be too terrified to be the sole instigator with no place to hide.

I suspect the latter will be the case and if so, then Trump can just simply remain silent and see if the Congress and Senate can even vote for an act of war even if not requested by the President.

Either way the illegal occupier of Palestine will be apoplectic as usual.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 7:59 utc | 93

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 4 2021 7:35 utc | 95

See, that's what decades of propaganda in the US managed to do to american discourse.
Would you describe North Korea as a communist/marxist state? yet they are ferociously nationalistic. The whole concept of Juche is very close to some of Trump's main talking points (produce in your country as much as possible, trade but don't become dependent), and you just have to listen to their TV bulletins and public declarations.
Would you describe Cuba as a communist/marxist state? yet they also are very proud of their nation, and they are practicing Catholics.

Same with China. Describing them as "nationalistic" is irrelevant to the fact they are a sovereign communist country with Marxism as their founding principles. Nationalism is not an economic system, it's something any sovereign country experiences.

The USA, being the quintessential capitalist state (or cartel of corporations, really), has problems with sovereignty. Nothing new under the sun.

Posted by: Lemming | Jan 4 2021 8:04 utc | 94

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 7:59 utc | 97


India Punchline has concerns that Iran might provoke Trump and that the next few weeks prior to the inauguration of the next clown are HIGH RISK. Iran has passed laws to enrich uranium to 20% although not sent those laws to the government for implementation.

An appropriate name for that particular media outlet ...


In response the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz has been recalled home from the Persian Gulf.

My head is spinning, I suspect so are those of the sailors on the Nimitz. This from USNI news a few hours ago:


Aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN-68) and its strike group will remain in the Middle East in the wake of threats from officials in the Iranian government on the one-year anniversary of the U.S. killing of Iranian military leader Qasem Soleimani, the Pentagon announced late Sunday.

“Due to the recent threats issued by Iranian leaders against President Trump and other U.S. government officials, I have ordered the USS Nimitz (CVN-68) to halt its routine redeployment,” Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller said in the statement.
“USS Nimitz will now remain on station in the U.S. Central Command area of operations. No one should doubt the resolve of the United States of America.”

I don't think I can keep up anymore. It's like Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle for Carriers ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 4 2021 8:25 utc | 95

@82 and @98 Nemesis Calling and Lemming

I agree with Lemming's position on this. And I think Nemesis Calling is wrong about what the term "Globalist" implies. If a "nationalist" is someone who's loyal to a nation, then isn't a "globalist" someone who is loyal to the whole globe? Humanity today has many massive problems that are extremely difficult and perhaps impossible to deal with on a purely national basis. Nuclear weapons, global climate change, pandemic diseases, the potential threats and benefits of real artificial intelligence, the extinction of so many species, controlling multinational corporations, the threat of mass starvation, global inequality... these are all problems which seem to many people to need the whole human species, or the whole globe, working together to address them. I think the major reason why many capitalists started calling themselves "globalists" back in the 1980's was because they saw this was an idea which was becoming increasingly popular, and they wanted to try and coopt it for their own benefit.
The trouble was that the CEO's who decided it would be personally profitable for them to ship their companies jobs to low wage countries were not "real" globalists. If they had really understood what the decisions they were making would do to their countries, or even to the corporations they were responsible to their shareholders for managing, they might be accused of being frauds or even traitors. But they probably didn't understand, so it's probably more accurate to just call them parts of a greedy and shortsighted elite, which was far too arrogant to realize how countries like China would be able to exploit their shortsighted folly. They thought they were being so clever about their plans to exploit the Chinese. But the irony is that a major reason why they underestimated the Chinese is that they didn't understand that the fact that the Chinese were Marxists meant that the Chinese had a different and in some ways better understanding of how Capitalism worked than they did. They never dreamed that the Chinese would be able to make Lenin's prediction that capitalists would sell them the rope they needed to hang capitalism come true.

Posted by: Fnord13 | Jan 4 2021 8:44 utc | 96

@3 vk
I'm still looking for information on how modRNA-vaccines are produced and what vaccine production capacities in general exist in the world - a highly relevant topic in the current situation which is strangely largely ignored.

Anyway, in order to get viruses one has to breed them in live tissue, usually chicken eggs. This is a lengthy process. As I got it the modRNA-vaccine technology was rushed into service in order to be able to produce vaccines through a series of complex chemical reactions, which is difficult enough, but still easier and much quicker than breeding viruses in eggs.

Posted by: m | Jan 4 2021 8:50 utc | 97

@Stonebird | Jan 3 2021 18:21 utc | 13

This is what to watch on monday.

Assange will be told (and we will learn) whether one of the foundations of western society, "freedom of speech", is to be kept on a leash.

There will be live coverage from 11:00 UT at
https://consortiumnews.com/2021/01/03/watch-cn-live-new-episode-judgement-day/

I expect only the very worst from these criminals, but would like to be surprised.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 4 2021 9:03 utc | 98

Arch Bungle #99

I don't think I can keep up anymore. It's like Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle for Carriers ...

Oh well c'est la guerre. I guess the Nimitz crew will be challenged if the dogs of war bark. Their capacity to determine the position, velocity and speed of the incoming hypersonic missiles will in fact be useless as the instant they try to measure it will have arrived

If that happens we should rendezvous at the bar and toast Heisenberg.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 9:52 utc | 99

Thank you b for the SCMP link on EU China negotiations. I see Xerxes Biden has been told to flip the digit and commence blathering again:

US President-elect Joe Biden called for a “coordinated approach” with the European Union against China on Wednesday, shortly after Brussels and Beijing finished negotiations aimed at concluding a landmark investment pact
.
“The Biden-Harris administration looks forward to consulting with the EU on a coordinated approach to China’s unfair economic practices and other important challenges,” said a transition team official, who added that further comment about the Comprehensive Agreement on Investment (CAI)
would not be appropriate before Biden and Kamala Harris take office on January 20.

With commitments on market access, state subsidies and adherence to global labour standards, the EU accord is meant to address many of the concerns that human rights activists and industry associations have criticised China about. It aims to replace more than two dozen bilateral investment treaties between the alliance’s 27 member states and China, according to EU policy explanations.

Many USAi human rights activists and trade unions I know of are vehement in their criticism of USAi ignoring calls of labour unions for a living wage, persistent calls of millions of Americans for Medicare for All, failed Congressional will to value the human rights and needs of Americans in a pandemic, the vicious assault on press freedom and the coercion and kidnapping of Corporate directors for no crime other that competition.

The clown cart Biden administration seems like it is about to fart into a bottle again.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 4 2021 10:11 utc | 100

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