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January 03, 2021

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2021-001

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Elena_MYL @Elena_MYL - 2:28 UTC · Dec 29, 2020
I search a bit about #ZhangZhan online and here’s what I found. She was detained several times before, from 10 days to 65 days since 2019. She got warning for the first time in 2018.
Pic. She’s holding an umbrella says” End socialism, take down CPC”.
She’s a Christian zealot with a strong tendency towards martyrdom. She made hunger strike several times during the detention.
She had psychiatric assessments during the detention since she kept talking Jesus, Bible, God, etc.
Here’s video from her YouTube channel. She spoke in a very slow speed. “I preached gospel to her : The cross of Jesus Christ bears the sins of everyone, salvation is found in no one else, but Jesus. Actually I’d prefer to preach gospel to those cops and ppl who quarantined her.
Here is an article she wrote accusing Chinese government acting like god. She used the word “神” (God) 62 times.
#ZhangZhan regards herself undertaking God’s mission. Somehow reminds me of Adrian Zens who fabricated Uyghur genocide claiming he’s been led by God against Beijing. ...

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Other issues:

Covid-19:

John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch - 8:07 UTC · Dec 31, 2020
NEW chart thread:
The latest UK Covid data paints a dire picture, with London and much of the south now in a worse position than they were at the spring peak, and hospitals struggling to cope
18% of tests in London now come back positive, and rates are climbing everywhere.
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20:04 UTC · Jan 2, 2021
We can also look at data not only on how many Covid patients are in hospital, but what share they make up of *all* available beds.
Covid patients now occupy more than half of all beds in many areas (and rising fast), including 63% in North Middlesex.

Infodemic:

> We’re talking about treating very, very large populations, which means that you’re going to see the usual run of mortality and morbidity that you see across large samples. Specifically, if you take 10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000 heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die and get sick anyway. <
Gregg Carlstrom @glcarlstrom - 9:01 UTC · Dec 30, 2020
We really need to do a better job avoiding irresponsible headlines and tweets about the vaccine (like this one). It's not enough that the article contextualizes the story, because people don't always read the article:
California nurse tests positive over a week after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: ABC
Ruben Carbajal @rubencarbajal - 19:55 UTC · Jan 1, 2021
Man Wins Lottery After Receiving Vaccine
Man Receives Junk Mail After Receiving Vaccine
Man Audited After Receiving Vaccine
Man Finds Extra Fries in Bottom of Bag After Receiving Vaccine

Poverty alleviation - 'Costly' but successful:

Nils Gilman @nils_gilman - 13:27 UTC · Feb 6, 2019
Number of Chinese living in extreme poverty (<$1.90/day):
1980: 835m
1990: 770m
1999: 508m
2008: 170m
2015: 10m (not a typo)
Put another way: 75% of global poverty reduction since the 1970s is a result of Chinese Communist Party domestic policy success. source

EU-China deal:

History:

Use as open thread ...

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@181 frtitzcat

I agree.

The overall gist of what I am detecting here amongst the pro-China, anti-west aging posters is that when it comes to the term "globalist," somehow China should escape this term, even though they are the prime beneficiary, beyond the west's own global elites, of this arrangement.

It must be continually said that Marxism is an offshoot of Hegelianism, a materialist and reactionary attempt to subvert western philosophy entirely.

As it stands, China is an example moreso of the Hegelian dialectical force of history rather than any kind of Marxist one. Even the pro-China here must admit that China is a crazy amalgamation of nationalism, marxism, and capitalism. "Only in the east..." right?

It follows that, indeed, this Chinese amalgamation may be preferable in some regards to the western arrangement, as it stands. However, it is grossly misleading to say that all the west has to do is adopt marxism and we will see the success or will be able to duplicate the success of the Chinese.

I will stop now because there are going to be some who reply to this who will quite rightly announce that that ship has sailed for the west. That we stand no chance to match the success of the Chinese.

But thank god for that.

That amalgamation will be pursued by the Chinese exclusively in the 21st century, while the rest will revert to a moreso isolationist stance where western philosophy will once more take precedence over any kind of globalist tyranny.

Not to mention that the Chinese will face a ridiculous challenge in the smashing of a resurgence of natural religiousness against the repression of the communist party.

I wish them the best outcome. But those in the west will be wise to begin looking away from the east.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 5 2021 19:31 utc | 201

fritzcat@192 "The CPC presides over a debt-ridden capitalist state economy. Since the economy is state capitalist the party can be rightly described as capitalist." State capitalism is not a thing, but an ideological construct to allow people to claim to be really socialist while effectively being anti-Communist. These people are usually sects, as a contradiction like a professed Communist sympathizer who is actually against Communism is basically a cult thing that only the faithful can swallow. It appears part of the indoctrination is to get people thoroughly confused with nonsense like state capitalism. (No, a handful of quotations from Lenin from scattered remarks, where "state capitalism" tends to be indistinguishable from a state mobilized war economy, doesn't count. Proof texts don't even work in religious disputes, much less serious social/political analysis.)

The coup that ended the Cultural Revolution put China back onto the capitalist road. But there can no more be a peaceful reformist counterrevolution than there can be a peaceful reformist revolution in the property relations of a country, for roughly the same reasons. At some point, a Xi will go over to a Jack Ma and rupture the state/party complex. Or a Jack Ma will dispossess the party. But China is not a capitalist country.

Historical note: Jackson was a wealthy landed owner and slaver, not a tribune of the people fighting the "banksters." Jackson should still be notorious for his pet banks, as they were called then. What Jackson wanted was for local banks to use finance land purchases for would-be plantation owners. Frontier banks tended to be highly unstable due to fluctuations in speculative real estate, but he still wanted them. Jackson simply wanted easy credit for speculation and the Bank of the United States, an early version of a central bank, wasn't into easy credit, not even for planters. Also, Jackson wanted gold, being an ignorant gold bug like lots of inferior thinkers of his time. (Gold fetishism was not as manifestly reactionary and stupid then as it was now.) Jackson also shared the delusion, along with the likes of Calhoun and a host of modern libertarian cranks, that government spending was the cause of unfair competition. The emphasis in the Constitution on "emoluments" expressed this delusion, which near as I can tell was carried over from Whigs in England imagining that it was excessive royal spending that corrupted society and caused all things evil. That is, a kind of conspiracy theory unmoored from facts, like invoking the PMC. (Professional Managerial Class classes?) Government debt was deemed to be the enslavement of the nation and running a surplus was the freedom of humanity. In truth, running a surplus was about hard money, which takes us right back to the gold buggery. It is very likely not an accident that Jackson's machinations culminated in a major depression which made his chosen successor, Van Buren, a one term president. Everyone who imagines that Jackson was some sort of populist because he supported vulgarity is confusing issues of taste with real politics.

Sanity note: China has lots of resources. Also, there is no reason to think the Chinese people are an inferior race less that can only be a "mob." "Mob" is a synonym for "riot," or an ignorant, usually racist, slander.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 5 2021 19:49 utc | 202

Yet another example of Putin reminding us what our priorities ought to be:

"However, our ultimate goal is to make people’s lives better, which means that addressing social issues must always be at the top of our list."

I can guarantee you such words aren't spoken in Washington DC, although they might be heard in a few state capitols. And what has Russia done that again tops the Outlaw US Empire:

"But first I would like to say that here on my desk I have a draft Executive Order on establishing a fund, as we have agreed, a fund to support children with serious, life-threatening and chronic illnesses, including rare, or orphan, diseases. We have decided to call this fund the Circle of Kindness.

"Let me remind you that we will use the money received from the increased income tax applied to those citizens whose income exceeds five million rubles. Not the first five million, but everything that’s above five million. This means that we will receive additional revenue of about 60 billion rubles, so we have agreed to establish the fund I have mentioned and allocate this money to support children in need of expensive medicines."

The next time (likely later today) you hear/read Russia demonized/smeared, recall which nation does the best job of helping its people instead of providing even more perks to those who need none.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2021 20:58 utc | 203

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2021 20:58 utc | 206

The Peskov interview with Solovyev is too long, but excerpts come to the surface like one about the fact that Peskov does not watch the interviewer progamme regularly, neither do I.

I think your quote is from the first working session of this year, the video is posted with the text in Russian.

http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/64865

I imagine they'll post the english version very soon. At first sight it might look old style, but I think it is a lot more serious and elegant the way they work than the noisy tweetting to which western politicians have brought the public thing, the res publica.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 5 2021 21:30 utc | 204

Paco @207--

Thanks for your reply! Perhaps the translation team employed by The Saker will do us the favor of translating the Peskov interview. His assertion that there're no more Red Lines was rather radical, IMO, and I wonder if Putin also shares that thought? On the other hand, the initiation of the new Circle of Kindness Fund tells me Russia's still thinking long term and they believe the crisis caused by NATO won't escalate much further. Maybe I should start reading Izvestia or another Russian-language media to gain a broader perspective than I currently get? Again, Thanks!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2021 22:05 utc | 205

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2021 22:05 utc | 208

The host is a media star, patriotic, he is listed as sanctioned and Peskov complimented him by stating that personal sanctions are a "quality mark" as the old soviet seal of quality.

Quality Mark

I think both the host and the interviewed can allow themselves sharper expressions than the spokesman would while on duty, but yes, there are sharp accusations like for instance the US breaking all the rules and going over red lines. By proxy? I doubt VVP would make statements like those directly.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 5 2021 22:17 utc | 206

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 5 2021 19:31 utc | 204

What you're preaching is the Traditionalist theory.

Traditionalism states that History doesn't exist: human time is cyclical, beginning at the Golden Age (age dominated by the priests), followed by the Silver Age (dominated by the warriors), then Bronze Age (by the merchants) and the Dark Age (by the slaves). The dark age is marked by absolute chaos (classlessness) and destruction (materialism), after which the Golden Age flourishes again, in an once more purified land, with a highly stratified hierarchy dominated by the Priests (a purely spiritual class, who dominates the rest with absolute brutality and cruelty, but divinely).

According to the Traditionalists, capitalism represents a Silver Age (merchants in power), while communism represents a Dark Age (slaves in power). In this context, communism is the worse thing that can ever happen to humanity, for two reasons:

1) it is the most materialistic society possible, because everybody gets the most material comfort possible;

2) it is a society without hierarchy, without any class divisions. Traditionalists consider class system the most perfect form or order, therefore of spiritual plenitude (therefore good), so a classless society represents absolute chaos (therefore bad).

Hence NemesisCalling speaks of "the subversion of Western philosophy" (by the materialists, albeit Hegel was an idealist, but he was Marx's mentor) - which represents the transition from a Bronze Age to a Dark Age; why he speaks so surely about the "resurgence of natural religiousness" [against communism] - which represents the transition from a Dark Age to a Golden Age.

The part where NemesisCalling speaks about "western philosophy will once more take precedence over any kind of globalist tyranny" certainly comes from Bannon (American Traditionalism), as Bannon believes the USA, albeit in a Bronze Age, can go "against time" and "regenerate" to a Silver Age (and then to a Golden Age) through isolationalism, in an USA dominated by the so-called Far-Right, which means the white rural working class, concentrated in the Deep South and the Midwest.

Posted by: vk | Jan 5 2021 23:04 utc | 207

@vk #190
Yes, we should all believe Spalding - whose agency failed in its mission to protect American government, people and businesses from foreign interference in the Solarwinds case.
She is also a lawyer and a career bureaucrat.
Sorry, but the likelihood that anyone in DHS actually knows anything regarding this issue, at this time, is remote. The likelihood that Spalding knows anything, period, about cyber is zero.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 5 2021 23:04 utc | 208

Paco @209--

Thanks for your reply! I agree VVP would be very unlikely to use those exact words. Was Peskov floating a trial balloon or sending an unveiled message? I would think Russia would like to know somewhat quickly if Biden is going to soften, harden, or continue on the current policy path, and thus the provocative remarks. IMO, this also indicates Biden lacks a backchannel to Moscow, which IMO is unhealthy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2021 23:07 utc | 209

@oldhippie #199
Actually, I doubt the issue was whether anyone was monitoring the sensors.
Far more likely is that the people operating them had "optimized" collation of data to the point where (obviously) real information was lost.
This happens all the time with "modern, state of the art" cybersecurity. A medium sized bank will see 10 million alerts a week. A large institution will see that much in hours. With so much noise coming in, it is incredibly easy for even a 8 digit setup to miss the obvious.
In the Solarwinds case: it is abundantly clear that 3rd party security vetting either wasn't accompanied by actual checks (as opposed to checklists) or were skipped entirely because Solarwinds is used by everybody, is a hot startup, etc.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 5 2021 23:07 utc | 210

@ Posted by: c1ue | Jan 5 2021 23:04 utc | 211

She didn't deny a foreign nation did the cyberattacks; she just stated nothing was stolen - which is the perfect scenario for her and her Department, as it alleviates the blame over her and her Department and SolarWinds, while putting it all on either Russia (liberals) or China (republicans).

Therefore, it was most likely a domestic attack on a shitty company.

Posted by: vk | Jan 5 2021 23:36 utc | 211

@karlof1 #208:

Maybe I should start reading Izvestia or another Russian-language media to gain a broader perspective than I currently get?

I read the headlines in EurAsia Daily to quickly survey the daily news landscape, then read the articles that cover the topics I’m currently interested in.

Posted by: S | Jan 6 2021 1:52 utc | 212

S @215--

Thanks very much for your suggestion! The site looks promising and I shall include it in my daily news rotation for a trial. Thanks again!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 6 2021 2:03 utc | 213

Xerxes Biden sets out to lose his first battle before his inauguration. Yes, the Trump show was a clown cart from the very day of the inauguration but Biden has one upped Trump and gotten in early. He has made a really ugly appointment to carry out a really absurd task:- to reach out to the Republicans in Congress and Senate to make bi-partisan possible - LMAO. The appointee is a swampie Cedric Richmond from the fossil fuel lobby and Bidens campaign co chair and is appointed to the Office of Public Engagement.

Katie Halper and friends peek at the entrails of Xerxes Biden first lost battle here.

I guess they no longer have to worry about the #FraudSquad as they obviously gave up on the day they were elected. Its a dream run for Xerxes Biden and Karma Harris. No wonder so many USAians are not voting, not caring and totally despairing. Good luck all.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 2:51 utc | 214

Sandra Lindsay, Americas first vaccinated nurse, receives second shot of the Coronavirus vaccine 21 days after the historic first shot. Its not that I object to people who chose a high risk lifestyle but Pfizer tells us it is utterly unnecessary.

Now why is that?

See it live at the Hill - one minute video.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 3:23 utc | 215

@210 vk

Just to add a sentence or two to defend my posts.

Hegel was not Marx's mentor. Hegel would have seen no redeemimg value of Marx's economic-centric philosophy.

As for me being a traditionalist, I don't know what to make of that label. I am in so much as I worship and adore the logos of Jesus Christ and will continue to attempt to spread the word.

But you should know better in my aversion to the globalist class that I deride that I am in no way shape or form condoning greed as a virtue.

When it comes to Hegel, I believe I have charted the course of current events on the world stage well enough that it is sensical in the light of the great work of that German philosopher.

As for Bannon, he loses me every time he mentions overthrowing the CCP. Neocon-speak writ large.

Let the Chinese figure their own country out. Which they will have to do when the current mercantilist advantage of the globalist paradigm falls away.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 6 2021 6:06 utc | 216

Message for Mitch McConnell:

🖕 YOU'RE TOAST!

Message for Crazy Uncle:

🖕 Squirm you potty mouth tool

Dems are taking the Senate with a smackdown in Georgia.

@ 217 Crazy Uncle

No wonder so many USAians are not voting... blah, blah bullshit.

The voter turnout for the General Election was historically unprecedented and same for the Georgia runoff that will transfer all the power to Biden in the Senate.

Oh and Trump LOST the 2020 Election and everyone unwilling to admit this fact has no self-respect nor integrity.

Dems will have the House, Senate and the Executive.

Start foaming at the mouth.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 6 2021 6:30 utc | 217

I'd love to believe in the Iceland Phenix but how do you explain that?
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210103.html
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160316.html

Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2021 10:34 utc | 218

Indian farmers continue their strike against the corrupt Modhi Indian government.

Represen­tatives of the Indian government and protesting farmers have failed again to reach agreement on the farmers’ demand that new agricultural reform laws be repealed.

With the government refusing to revoke the legislation, the farmers pledged to continue blockading key highways linking the capital with the country’s north.

The two sides agreed to meet for more talks on Friday.

“It is up to the government whether it wants to solve the farmers’ problems. We will not end our protests until our demands are met,” said Hannan Mollah, a leader of the farmers.

Tens of thousands of farmers have been blocking the highways for nearly 40 days despite the coronavirus pandemic, rains and an ongoing cold wave.

Farmers fear the government will stop buying grain at minimum guaranteed prices under the laws and that corporations will then push prices down. The government said it is willing to pledge that guaranteed prices will continue.

The farmers say the laws will lead to the cartelisation and commercialisation of agriculture and make farmers vulnerable to corporate greed.

The farmers have threatened to hold a rally on Jan 26 when India celebrates Republic Day if their demands are not met.

Moghi is familiar with corporate greed and its offerings so I guess he will try to starve the farmers out. Perhaps Modhi is a descendant of some englander from the British East India Company. He sure is behaving like one.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 11:16 utc | 219

Mina #221

The aurora australis puts on similar displays on occasion. This is where charged particles from the sun stream into the earths upper gases. Different gases in Earth’s atmosphere give off different colors when they are excited. Oxygen gives off the green color of the aurora, nitrogen causes blue or red colors. The particle stream is modulated by the fluctuating magnetic field surrounding our planet.

STEVE and SAID's are pretty exciting too.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 11:27 utc | 220

When it comes to dandruf snorting Joe Biden there is no one as sharp as Rania Khalek to blow some sanity into that empty skull.

And for the post election liberal cringe we have Rania again.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 11:36 utc | 221

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 5 2021 23:07 utc | 212

I think they are quite realist and do not have great expectations, I just found out that Nuland, the f*uck the EU Maidan cookie revolutionary has been nominated for State under secretary, what do you think the expectations are in Moscow? Nothing good.

Rozhin at ColonelCassad has a good flow of interesting snippets, he is openly red, the motto for his site is “Megaphone of Totalitarian Propaganda”, that says it all, but he works hard and is constantly on top of it. Meduza is an anti Putin site, but it is interesting to check out, you know the saying, know your enemy.

The best of them all unfortunately is no more, Edvard Limonov had a blog at LiveJournal, but he passed away a few months ago, he was razor sharp, plus had a good knowledge of the USA and Europe since he lived long periods in New York and Paris, some of his books about life in the USA are truly fantastic, I recommend you “The History of His Servant”, amazing view of the USA.

For a more mainstream view sort of NYTimes like, read Kommersant. The Saker, I like that Pepe’s articles are published there with no pay wall like ATimes, but I find him too partisan and maybe a bit detached from what goes on in Russia, he tends to idealize things a bit and too inclined to Orthodoxy, which I respect but do not share, I still truly believe that religion is opium, in spite of having read the Bible from A to Z, many years ago, those days as altar boy are way way back in time. In any case I respect religion as a private realm, but when the Church starts to bed with the State the results are not positive. I got to spend sometime as a guest in a remote town in Northern Russia with an Orthodox Priest, a truly interesting character, had a huge house with all kinds of people from the big cities coming to get away from it all, a fantastic experience, we had long conversations and I had the chance to enjoy Orthodox Mass which remind me of the Catholic ritual before the Vatican II reforms that made catholic mass to be officiated in living languages and not in Latin like it used to be. All this to try to explain, religion is fine with me as a private experience but should not be official part of the State, France is good at that. Cheers, and read Limonov.

PS. Talking religion, today is Orthodox Christmas in Russia and Epiphany in Catholic countries, this is a really nice time of the year to be in Russia.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 6 2021 11:39 utc | 222

AOC and squad keep getting flogged for the spineless betrayal and who better than Jimmy Dore to examine their dirty tricks. Now AOC is busy rewriting history of her election commitments. SAD.

They have earned their moniker #FraudSquad and they will never shake it off.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 11:53 utc | 223

Paco #225

I have not read any of Livinov. I did just follow up on your suggestion and found this tale in jacobin(not a favorite place for me). It was a good read and Livinov seems a tad confused but worth following up. Thank you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 12:10 utc | 224

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 12:10 utc | 227

His real name was Edvard Savenko, Limonov as from lemon, was his artistic pseudonym. Read him directly, he is nobody's man but his, truly independent. The stunt at Sarajevo is thrown at him by the libs that still think that destroying Yugoslavia was a good thing to do. I've been looking for a short piece called Warhol Quarter (or 25 cents) but could not find it. Start with this one:

https://1lib.eu/book/1074690/c4f1ea

Posted by: Paco | Jan 6 2021 12:25 utc | 225

fritzcat@229 Historical note and sanity note were prompted by some nonsense from c1ue, a right-wing nutjob who fancies that left-wing verbiage to hoist the reds on their own petard is the sign of an independent and clever thinker. The pretense of rationality depends largely on falsified history and non-facts, which pushes my "Something is wrong on the internet!" buttons.

It is quite correct that SOEs in China are not pursuing policies aimed to abolish classes and all forms of oppression in a systematic and determined way. This was true in the Soviet Union during the NEP, too. But the SOEs are not being operated in the capitalist manner either. The SOEs are not liquidated to purchase assets for the owner who sold the SOEs. The SOEs are not bought by an owner who splits up the company, spinning off the profitable part and stripping out anything of any monetary value. SOEs selling majority shares to foreign capitalists is how you restore capitalism. Further, SOEs often continue operating when they are not making a profit. The capitalist roaders want to call this inefficiency but in the larger scheme of things this is where public property in the means of production results in production for use, not profit. If you insist on a quasi-Keynesian rationale, the SOEs keep the Chinese economy profitable by subsidizing effective demand, indirectly as well as directly, despite the capitalist roaders' illusions that capitalism is still progressive.

There are more strikes and mass demonstrations in China than in the US or the EU or Japan. Moreover, those strikes and mass demonstrations are far more likely to result in actual changes in policy. It is a peculiar state capitalism that doesn't fight the class war for capital, in my view, that is universally condemned in the West/Christendom as "totalitarian," no less. It's ike Stalin's anti-Semitism, what's the good of being a totatlitarian worse than Hitler if you can't kill your enemies? If China was capitalist, they would be treat unions like PATCO.

I believe the appetites of the current leadership of China are for restoration of capitalism, true capitalism, where the capitalists have secure title to property and the legal supported right to do whatever they want with their property and the legally supported right to buy whatever they can afford, whether it's SOEs, universities, land, women, everything is for sale. This is not CHina, not yet. If you look solely at domestic politics, you can imagine trustbusting is socialist (I disagree.) But if you look at foreign policy, the Chinese hostility to Vietnam, their efforts to prevent socialist revolution in Nepal and most of all, their economic warfare against socialist Korea, tells me what they really want. This is why I can't follow vk in the sunny picture of socialism with Chinese characteristics. The imitation of Korean monarchy in the north is socialism with Korean characteristics! Nationality is not going to be abolished and needs no defending. Internationalism is what is to be done.

Nonetheless, just as I don't think NEP in the USSR was the restoration of capitalism, I don't think the current system in China is capitalism either. I think if Bukharin had won, then Hitler would have won (one reason why Bukharin is so beloved of a certain kind of professed leftist.) And I think if the capitalist road if followed, the end will be reached. Capitalist restoration in China will be a social catastrophe, probably a civil war involving the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, like in Indonesia 1965. Of course, I think that would be a bad thing. Notice that lots of people don't believe Indonesia was a crime, or at least not one worth remembering.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 6 2021 15:12 utc | 226

PS Marx was not directly a student of Hegel, who died when Marx was about thirteen. A man named Ludwig Feuerbach was a thinker who was strongly influenced by Hegel but made significant changes in the philosophy, all towards a greater materialism, in opposition to Hegel's idealism. And it was Feuerbach who was the direct influence on Marx. That's why Engels wrote "Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical German Philosophy." If I had to sum up the importance of Hegel, it is the repudiation of eternal categories or other philosophical entities, to insist that real explanation traced the emergence of ideas and so forth in real society and history, traced how they played out in the real world, traced their changes as they interact with each other and events. This repudiation of Platonic forms and so forth is what really I think is meant by the term "dialectical." Hegel insisted the dialectic of ideas thinking themselves essentially created the world, but Feuerbach and Marx were materialists, thinking experience (which includes the actions of people) creates ideas.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 6 2021 15:21 utc | 227

Guess who wrote this at 8 A.M. in all caps?

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND, MORE IMPORTANTLY, OUR COUNTRY, NEEDS THE PRESIDENCY MORE THAN EVER BEFORE - THE POWER OF THE VETO. STAY STRONG!

Hint: the spoiled manchild b has been coddling around here for 4 years.

But...but, I was scolded for using caps during the primaries while that delusional sore loser uses caps in every 2nd tantrum tweet.

I just can't wait for the sight of Trump vacating the White House or forcefully escorted out with trophy mannequin in hand. I'll replay that scene a dozen times. 😆 It'll be priceless!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 6 2021 15:31 utc | 228

@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 6 2021 15:21 utc | 232

Marx wasn't a materialist. Feuerbach heavily influenced him insofar as he criticized him.

Dialectic Materialism is completely different from Materialism. Materialism was practically born and died with Feuerbach.

In the preface to the second edition of Capital (book I), Marx claimed to be Hegel's "heir" - in the context where Hegel already was being buried by the bourgeoisie because of the obvious revolutionary implications of his philosophy. But Marx also wasn't Idealist.

When in college, Marx was part of the group called "Leftist Hegelians".

Posted by: vk | Jan 6 2021 15:38 utc | 229

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 12:10 utc | 227

I did not read the whole article, and after reading this paragraph I went back to the beginning to see who the author is, a Pole.

The artist was Eduard Limonov — a former “dissident” Soviet author, and soon a leader of the snappily named National Bolshevik Party. His real name was Eduard Veniaminovich Savenko, his nom de guerre was derived from limonka (lemon), the Soviet nickname for an F1 hand grenade.

That was more than enough to realize the article is a kill job. Limonov was not a dissident, that's why he did not have good fortune in the USA since being a dissident was a job and at times well paid. I started looking at the book I recommended to you since I read it a while back and I was not so sure, and look at this:

“Their great example, the one they chose themselves, was Pasternak, a talented poet but a timid man, confused and servile, a country philosopher, a lover of fresh air, old books, and the easy life. I, who feel like vomiting whenever I see a library, despise Pasternak. Yes.”

A dissident does not despise Pasternak, and Limonov the alias precedes the Limonka hand grenade in his party’s symbols. Some writers have made a name for themselves writing about Limonov, that says it all. Try to search for short stories, another full book that I recommend to you is The Book of Water.

http://www.tout-sur-limonov.fr/334947280

Posted by: Paco | Jan 6 2021 15:48 utc | 230

@230 frtitz

It seems that you too have a sophomoric understanding of nationalism, no doubt from the full court press on the terminology since the defeat of the Germans in WW2 from the allied, globalist powers.

Nationalism is the phenomenon of the nation. So long as the nation is functioning as it should, globalism can not emerge. In the west, the rise of neoliberal anationals has meant the temporary erosion of soverign nations whereby elites have been able to convince, through marketting, that nationalism is an evil, wicked, and backwards concept.

The one reason why China will not fall prey to globalist takeover is due to the CCP's restrictment of this marketting force upon its population. Whereby it is clear that you and others here are victims of this poisonous attempt at natural inclination towards self and state advancement (nationalism), it remains the case that nationalism will reemerge regardless of any attempt at such slander.

As I said before, the CCP exhibits traits of nationalism while profitting from globalism. This is only a temporary boon for China as once nationalism has repeated its comeback, the mercantilist advantage of China in SE Asia will diminish into still a powerful force in the region, but moreso a good faith member in the economic life of this region.

This will again hinge on America's reawakening, as well as other European countries in the west, to nationalism, which seems to be proceding apace at this time.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 6 2021 15:48 utc | 231

@frtitzcat #237
You are confused.
Mercantilism is a tried and true national policy of improvement through trade favoritism: positive for exports and negative for imports.
Whether these types of policies are carried out under the guise of a different ideology “America or Japan or whatever” or “independently”, these policies exist both in the past and ongoing today.

Posted by: c1ue | Jan 6 2021 16:45 utc | 232

@237 frtitz

Spoken like a true globalist.

Remind me not to comment to you again.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 6 2021 16:47 utc | 233

If indeed the two dems from Georgia are elected to the US Senate Mr Sanders will find himself with a great deal of power. Biden will have to deal with him for every issue because without his vote the repubs will defeat every bill 50 to 49.

now we will finally see if he is nothing more than Jackrabbit's sheepdog.

Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 6 2021 17:38 utc | 234

@240 dan of steele

Sanders will exercise power with pragmatism. I trust he'll know when to push and when to pull.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 6 2021 17:50 utc | 235

vk@234 is too ambiguous with the pronouns for me to understand the second sentence.

As to the first, it is unclear what Marx and Engels were talking about when the mentioned the "materialist" conception of history. There are many, many thinkers claiming to be materialists, or held to be, from the Greek atomist to Lucretius to Spinoza, before Marx, and too many after to name. But almost no reviews of materialism in philosophy mention Feuerbach, much less hold him to be the lone embodiment of "materialism." When using a term in a way not commonly understood perhaps it is helpful to explain. It's true that Karl Popper would disagree that Karl Marx is a materialist, but then, Popper is by way of being a professional anti-Communist...he would say that, wouldn't he?

As to Marx's attitudes toward the Young Hegelians (Bruno and Edgar Bauer and others, including libertarian icon Max Stirner,) see Marx and Engels The Holy Family, subtitle Critique of Critical Critique.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 6 2021 17:53 utc | 236

Paco #235

I loved your opening paragraph. Had a good knowing chuckle. I suspected that too from the authors name and figured it was barely worth reading but persevered to pick up threads. Thanks for the link.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 19:50 utc | 237

dan of steele #240

If indeed the two dems from Georgia are elected to the US Senate Mr Sanders will find himself with a great deal of power. Biden will have to deal with him for every issue because without his vote the repubs will defeat every bill 50 to 49.

now we will finally see if he is nothing more than Jackrabbit's sheepdog.

The real possibility is that he will be Neera Tanden's poodle as his final act.

Where was his voice in the #ForceTheVote call? Sanders has no voice, there is no delivery at the end of the sound track.

The time will never be right for the #FraudSquad.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 6 2021 20:12 utc | 238

Paco @ 225 - Orthodox Christmas Eve it is!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 6 2021 21:17 utc | 239

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