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January 12, 2021

Apartheid News

Sheldon Adelson, the casino oligarch who has financed far right causes as well as the political careers of Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahoo, has died. In 2013 Adelson had called for nuking Tehran (vid).

Good Riddance.

Unfortunately his money will continue to flow to the far right as his Israeli wife is the one who is now running the show.

In other news B'Tselem, the topmost Israeli human rights organization, finally describes both Israel and its control of the Palestinian territories as a single apartheid regime:

B’Tselem rejects the perception of Israel as a democracy (inside the Green Line) that simultaneously upholds a temporary military occupation (beyond it). B’Tselem reached the conclusion that the bar for defining the Israeli regime as an apartheid regime has been met after considering the accumulation of policies and laws that Israel devised to entrench its control over Palestinians.

Nothing really new there but it makes it official.

With B'Tselem finally speaking out it is much easier to refute those who falsely denounce the much justified condemnation of Zionism and Israel as anti-semitic.

This comes at a time when Israel is scheming to derail the incoming Biden administration's plan to return to the nuclear deal with Iran:

Israel will start by sending a stream of envoys on visits to Washington, the official said, requesting anonymity to discuss private deliberations. It’s stated publicly that it doesn’t want the U.S. to abandon sanctions on the Islamic Republic without a new deal, and that a tougher stance should be taken toward its nuclear project, ballistic missile program and regional proxy forces.

That strategy runs against the Biden team’s willingness to re-enter the deal, then negotiate an expansion of its terms. It’s conditioned on Iran’s returning to compliance with the accord, whose limits it breached after President Donald Trump pulled the U.S. out of the agreement in 2018.
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Israel also has a higher-risk card up its sleeve: the potential to upend diplomatic efforts through covert operations against Iran.
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Netanyahu has been open about his intention to thwart renewed U.S. participation. In a rare public split, he rebuked his envoy to Germany for supporting Berlin’s push to expand the deal.

“There should be no return to the Iran nuclear agreement of 2015 -- a deal which is flawed to its foundations,” Netanyahu said.

With Biden being an arch-Zionist and with a team of Zionist Jews leading the State Department the chances of a fast return to the deal can be regarded as slim.

Posted by b on January 12, 2021 at 18:07 UTC | Permalink

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1. I bookmarked B'Tselem, if for no other reason that I thought liberal Jewish thought was extinct. That they were all Likudists now.

2. The strong always complain about being in danger from the weaker people they are attacking. This is a particularly annoying thing I see when I read both Americans fretting over Venezuela getting a basket of corn, or Israelis living in dread that the war in Yemen might end. It drives me bonkers but I think this is common to anyone who is trying to justify their abusive use of power over someone else. They deny it but they know it's wrong.

BTW not a psychologist but I like to think about such things. I can always be wrong, but I'd go crazy if I didn't explore my curiosity since I am powerless to change things and have no desire to use force.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jan 12 2021 18:23 utc | 1

"...describes both Israel and its control of the Palestinian territories as a single apartheid regime"

Why not describe it as what it is: militant Western settler colony in Palestine, in the middle of the Arab world.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 12 2021 18:36 utc | 2

Iran won't return to JCPOA unless all sanctions are lifted. Full stop. Why should they? Since there is no chance of that happening barring divine intervention, it won't happen pending other dramatic changes.

I think the trials of the Houthis have just begun. Nobody else looks weak enough.

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Good riddance indeed. What money does to their brains.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 12 2021 18:46 utc | 3

The Outlaw US Empire's been absent from the JCPOA for 3+ years now and it continues to function, although it would operate much better if the EU would do its part to hold up its end of the Treaty. So, the question's begged: What good comes from the Outlaw US Empire rejoining the JCPOA? Recall that after its implementation Obama began moving the Goal Posts and signaled the coming Bad Faith exhibited by Trump's dumping it. Furthermore, it must be proven that BidenCo will be agreement capable, which IMO will be impossible for him and his group. The first beg test will come with action on New START the day after the inauguration. Indeed, there's quite a lot of action Biden's group must take if he's to be seen as a law-abiding international actor and not just another Outlaw--all the illegal sanctions, embargoes, and such need to disappear completely. Given the fact that Imperial Policy is generally continuous from one POTUS to the next, I don't see any attempt by the Outlaw US Empire to reject its Outlawry.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 12 2021 18:50 utc | 4

Perhaps Miriam Adelson has always been the one making all the charity investment decisions on hubby Sheldon's behalf so he could concentrate on the casino gambling business and keep pulling money from all the ordinary suckers addicted to poker machines.

Incidentally the article referenced in the third link mentioned in B's post says that Miriam A specialised in addiction medicine. There is mention of the use of methadone to wean people off heroin, without actually linking Miriam A to that form of treatment. I may have misunderstood my past reading but wasn't heroin once used to wean people off methadone? I'll need to check.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2021 18:57 utc | 5

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2021 18:57 utc | 5

I have read that heroin was originally developed as a treatment for colds, and it's still a great treatment for colds, it's the side effects that are a problem. My mom used to give me cough medicine with codeine in it, sitting right there in the medicine cabinet.

I've never understood what was supposed to be good about methadone except that is is legal. And I think the idea was methadone would get you off heroin back then. Sort of like nicotine pills instead of cigarettes.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 12 2021 19:04 utc | 6

Jen @5--

Methadone was used to wean addicts from heroin, but methadone is just as addictive, although not as deadly.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 12 2021 19:06 utc | 7

Biden just can't announce the US is back in. JCPOA will have to be renegotiated, almost from scratch. Not only did the US formally leave it, the Europeans left it de facto by virtue of the sanctions. So the whole document is a dead letter.

A new JCPOA will obviously have to eliminate all sanctions. But that might not be enough. Iran might want compensation for the economic damage done, compensation from the UK, France, and Germany as well as the US. Moreover, Iran will want to keep its now much larger stockpile of low-enriched uranium. It might want an even larger stockpile, and the right to enrich to 20%, which it is now doing. A breeder reactor and a plutonium stockpile would be nice, too.

But there are even other demands that might be made: reduction or removal of US/NATO/Israeli forces in the Gulf; reduction or elimination of Israeli nuclear weapons.

Posted by: bob sykes | Jan 12 2021 19:06 utc | 8

“There should be no return to the Iran nuclear agreement of 2015 -- a deal which is flawed to its foundations,” Netanyahu said.
Well, there should be no problem then, because in a way he is in agreement with Iran...
PressTV: Iran: Renegotiation of nuclear deal out of question
A high-ranking Iranian official has dismissed the possibility of any renegotiation of the 2015 landmark nuclear pact signed between Tehran and six major world states, stressing that the other sides only needs to fulfill its commitments and there is no need for further talks.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 12 2021 19:08 utc | 9

Giraldi:

In Search of Enemies

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 12 2021 19:09 utc | 10

Pompeo warns Iran is new 'home base' for Al Qaeda

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Tuesday charged Iran with aiding and abetting al Qaeda, warning that the partnership poses a “grave threat” to international security and safety of Americans at home.

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“Al Qaeda has a new home base. It is the Islamic Republic of Iran… We ignore this Iran-Al-Qaeda nexus at our own peril. We need to acknowledge it. We must confront it, indeed we must defeat it.”

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moa discussed the possibility of the Empire's linking Iran to al Queda last year in the post: Max Blumenthal Says He Is A "Cynical Salesperson Posing As Journalist". He Is Right. The possibility was apparently first raised by Barbara McKensie. b linked to her work here at comment #135 of that thread.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 12 2021 19:18 utc | 11

Missing link

Pompeo warns Iran is new 'home base' for Al Qaeda

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 12 2021 19:19 utc | 12

Pompeo's last shouts before he competes with Condie Rice on making conferences about 'evil' and 'nefarious' Iran.
Trump and Pompeo are now deflated balloons...

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 12 2021 19:27 utc | 13

thanks b! appropriate title!! kudos to B'Tselem for finally speaking out ...

@ 5 jen... as karlof1 notes - methadone is highly addictive.. my friend who was a junkie doesn't recommend it... so, maybe going back on herion to get off methadone is a valid approach although it defeats the original purpose!

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2021 19:34 utc | 14

I just checked and found that heroin was invented in 1875 by an English chemist, Charles Romley Alder Wright, to wean people off morphine addiction.

My apologies if I confused any readers. Thanks to Bemildred and karlof1 for their replies.

It does not say much for Western medicine and the mindset it fosters when the solution to one form of drug addiction is another drug that is even more addictive. The problem or problems that lead to the original addiction go unaddressed.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2021 19:41 utc | 15

Good riddance is right. What a dreadful creature in a direct mirror to the disease with which he was affected - zionism. What a disaster. Apartheid? Duh.

Posted by: gottlieb | Jan 12 2021 19:53 utc | 16

Sorry to butt in:

Trump live outside now at the South Texas border ~80km west of Brownsville Tx. Getting ready to make an address, I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_WNI43s3ds

Posted by: gm | Jan 12 2021 20:07 utc | 17

Few observations on Biden, Iran and the nuclear deal.
I don’t know if US will or will not return to implement it’s obligations under the UNSC 2231, nor I know if US Jewish lobby will allow that. But for sure Iran will not renegotiate for new terms or a new deal on nuclear program secondly under no circumstances Iran will negotiate (with anyone) her conventional military capabilities or her policies and alliances toward her allies in the region since these are real matter of national security for Iran. But also there are signs from Biden that should be considered. Firstly almost all Biden’s national security team are diplomats with experience negotiating with Iran that could be a signal on policy change, secondly I believe due to strategic failure of maximum pressure to subdue Iran and more importantly due to US’ own strategic necessity to keep China and Russia away from ME, US and EU will want to decouple or even prevent Iran from a mutual strategic necessity or alliance with China or and Russia for that reason IMO it might be possible US will adopt a new posture toward Iran. I also believe Iran’s foreign policy in ME is basically based on her long term interests and security with her regional alliances, multipolarity, and stability in her region, therefore any proposal by US or EU to agitate this policy will be rejected or not adopted by Iran.

Posted by: Kooshy | Jan 12 2021 20:23 utc | 18

Kooshy @18--

It should be noted that Iran is already part of the Eurasian Bloc and its many institutions, and there're no inducements on the planet that will make Iran exit. Plus, Iran has still not fulfilled its promise of revenge for Soleimani's murder. And there's still the ongoing war against Syria. As I wrote @4, a sea change must occur regarding the Outlaw US Empire's behavior before it will be allowed to reengage with the world.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 12 2021 20:32 utc | 19

The apartheid settler gang is beneath contempt. It blocks supply of vaccines for covid to the Palestinian people and blockades their trade and freedom of travel and navigation. Like the USA they have totally filled up with hubris and lost their way in the world.

Biden has surrounded himself with dual allegiance appointees in the critical security agencies so that he cannot achieve peace or make progress with any of his (foolishly) perceived enemy nations. He will find it almost impossible to negotiate in any meaningful way with Iran or China or Russia or Iraq or Syria or pretty much any other nation that is invaded by his armies or sanctioned by his idiot decisions or threatened by Israel's belligerence.

The tensions have been incredibly heightened in many nations due to the coronavirus transmission within their populations and the persistent suspicion that it has a USA origin. Any USAi pretense of negotiating in good faith in these circumstances is virtually impossible. All the more so when reactionaries lead both Israel and USA.

Biden is right when he says nothing will change. His ally in the middle east, Israel, has an arsenal of formidable power sufficient to command an uncomfortable peace in any circumstance. Yet it has no integrity to clinch a deal with anybody such is the universal distrust of their intentions. Time and again this illegal settler state has mauled every neighbor in a most grievous way. Every week they attack Syria with missiles! The aggrieved neighbors will not forget or forgive the treachery. That is just how it is.

There are no statesmen in the USA or Israel with the nous or capacity to find a way out.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 12 2021 20:43 utc | 20

Did I hear someone say something about "the tail wagging the dog" ?

Posted by: groucho | Jan 12 2021 20:45 utc | 21

@6&7
Heroin was developed in Germany as a less addictive alternative to Morphine and Methadone was supposed to be less addictive than heroin, but is in fact just as deadly and equally addictive. All Opiates suppress breathing reflex and have a narrow range between therapeutic and lethal doses. Methadone clinics sprang up because it was politically anathema to simply give addicts heroin to maintain their addiction, whereas methadone had a different name that sounded neutral and was more politically acceptable (even though its use was just the same as if it were Heroin). A friend of mine's 35 year old son died of a Methadone overdose, but he got his on the street and took too much, having recently gotten out of jail where he'd been clean. So he took his familiar dose, having failed to take into account his tolerance had dropped.

Posted by: erik | Jan 12 2021 20:54 utc | 22

Israel will always agitate to move the goalposts of this or any other agreement, as their sole negotiating position is that the Islamic government must be removed and replaced with something like the Shah. So really this is about the discipline the USA and EU can impose on Israel - which amounts to very little. The degree of conscious denial of these circumstances amongst politicians from USA and EU is fascinating.

Posted by: jayc | Jan 12 2021 21:06 utc | 23

Pompeo cracks me up with his assertion that AQ, a extremist Sunni sect, has set up shop in Shia Iran. Any media person who repeats that statement without a reality check should not be in media. I glanced at the Hill article and they didn't even mention this dichotomy.

Posted by: worldblee | Jan 12 2021 21:09 utc | 24

@ 23 jayc... it seems lots of the public is in denial over it as well... haven't these gov'ts made it so that no one can challenge israel as it is viewed as anti-semite? bds, and all the other means of changing this course as viewed as illegal... at some point silence will be the only option based on these laws... i think it is called a fascist or totalitarian state at this point... when the usa defines this or that organization as a terrorist organization, the public seem to bow their heads in agreement mostly.... i suspect bidens term will be no different.. it will be business as usual with the apartheid state in the middle east given carte blanc to continue on with its madness and to try to dictate to other countries what can or can't be talked about as it might be defined as anti-semite you know... it is a pile of steaming bullshite, but it is what is regularly served up...

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2021 21:13 utc | 25

Mao Cheng Ji@2 ";...describes both Israel and its control of the Palestinian territories as a single apartheid regime'

Why not describe it as what it is: militant Western settler colony in Palestine, in the middle of the Arab world."

I agree...except a question, even a rhetorical question should, strictly speaking, end with a question mark.

(The world is upside down and the vertigo is making my stomach hurt.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 12 2021 21:14 utc | 26

@ worldbee.. funny thing is ksa, uae, israel and usa have been working hard to set up the sunni extremists in yemen... it is al qaeda or isis but they don't call it that...

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2021 21:14 utc | 27

Mr. Bemildred

There is something deeply disturbing in the White Americans psyches that compels them to seek and to destroy enemies abroad.

The young Vietnamese that they were killing by the tens of thousands in Viet Nam wanted "Independence" (from foreign domination and interference), the same thing that the late martyred president Dr. Salvador Allende mentioned in one of his speeches and the same thing that the Iranian people have desired.

That Americans decided to go against all these people's natural human desire to live free of others powers attests to a deep flaw in their psyche.

They could have worked with the late Arbenz, the late Mossadeq, the late Ho Chi Minh, the late Allende, the late Fidel Castro but that was not to be and will never be as long as they are the way they are.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 21:44 utc | 28

Mr. karlof1

US is still digging herself in the religious war against Islam.

She cannot offer anything to Iranians any longer - Mr. Trump's war against Iran had eviscerated whatever US or EU had to offer to Iran.

US cannot even end the war in Palestine; she does not have that power.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 21:48 utc | 29

Mr. steven t johnson

Israelis are not Western, they are Eastern European and Middle Easterners for the most part.

They lack the culture of Western Europe.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 21:49 utc | 30

"The world is upside down and the vertigo is making my stomach hurt."

Sorry about that.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 12 2021 21:54 utc | 31


Thierry Meyssan:
...Blinded, the rest of the world did not see that the United States has reverted to what it was in the first four years of its foundation: an oligarchic system, this time in the service of a class of international billionaires.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article211917.html

What a shame!!!

Posted by: Mario | Jan 12 2021 22:01 utc | 32

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 12 2021 20:32 utc | 19

Thank You for your comment, I am not saying there would be an alliance or even a rapprochement with US against any country or blocks, actually base on Iranian constitution is impossible to have a treaty alliance with any block or country nor is in Iran’s interests, Iran form inception of her revolution has promoted a multipolarity and nonaligned posture, IMO this will not change, nor Iran will ever accept and ratify presence of any foreign power in her region, or her soil. All I think will happen is US in any which way she can WILL TRY to decouple Iran from having a mutual strategic necessity with China and Russia, which will not be fruitful since is not in Iran’s interest. Iran will pursue her historic and traditional policy of negative balancing between powers, they have been doing this ever since 1500s.

Posted by: kooshy | Jan 12 2021 22:20 utc | 33

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 21:44 utc | 28

I'm not sure what you want. I have to disagree that it is a flaw in our psyche, though it certainly is a problem. I also have to point out that in our case it's a very messy subject, we have a short, very violent, and very complicated history, the most successful colonization project in history. So that in itself ought to help clarify, you have one in your neighborhood too. A lot of it we got from the British. A lot (most) of the people who live here now had and have little to do with that. That mostly came from our "elites", who were and are fond of coerced labor.

I don't think it's religious either, though that is a part of it. I doubt that I am up to the job of really explaining it.

Was there a question?

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 12 2021 22:44 utc | 34

re karlof1 | Jan 12 2021 19:06 utc | 7
Actually methadone is far deadlier than heroin. Back in the day when such things were an intrinsic part of the culture, I lost more friends by way of methadone than heroin. 6 or 7 milligrams of methadone can kill & the worst thing was it would appear in crystal form so people would shoot it, often believing it was heroin, get no rush as methadone has none then immediately do another blat & OD. A standard dose of heroin back then was a May & Baker 1/8 (7.5mg) 0r 1/4 (15 mg) grain 'smack jack' either of which packed a wallop but not a lethal one.
Methadone was popular with the bureaucrats because it had a half life of about 20 hours, whereas heroin was about 8 hours. A half life is the length of time it takes for a dose to fall to 50% potency. So what? Nalorphan (sp?) the opiate antidote which works by blocking the receptors for opioids, thereby stopping an antidote has a half life about the same as heroin. If someone OD'ed on heroin, the receptors stay blocked until the persons body dissipated the poison. A methadone OD not so much, someone OD's on methadone, ambulance arrives administers Narlophan, person recovers often angry that responders have 'brought him/her down', ambulance leaves then a few hours later the nalorphan wears off person OD's once more and likely dies.

The real problem is illegality, that is what keeps the price of a cheap to produce intoxicant high enough so that users have little chance of legally supporting their habit (check out the charges quacks were putting on prescriptions at pill mills and the prices pharmacists were charging for Purdue pills which cost about $20 for a packet of 20 in countries outside amerika) and it makes many reluctant to seek help if someone OD's lest they get involved with the law.
Yeah it would be better if no one wanted the stuff, but that is the world we live in, especially a world where despair has replaced hope, so it makes more sense to legalise & control opiates than to imprison everyone but the elites at the top of the pyramid. Instead there is a half assed attempt to appeal to all & satisfy none.

Methadone is/was popular because that long half life means it is cheaper to administer, requiring a single daily intervention by a RN or pharmacist not three, which hidebound officials who believe there can be no trust, insist upon. The fact it is far deadlier is of little interest to these fools who imagine saving money attempting to apply capitalism to a social endeavour is the way to go.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 12 2021 22:46 utc | 35

fyi@30 draws a distinction between "Eastern Europeans" and the West. I disagree. There is no significant sense that I know of in which the "West" is not synonymous with the old fashioned "Christendom." That's why all Latin American countries count are included in the West. Although there are those who are so strict (or bigoted, as you prefer) to deem Eastern Orthodox people as not really Christian, it is still nonsense. The oriental churches proper, are dismissed because they never dominated the countries they are found in. The only exception testing this rule is Ethiopian Christianity.

It's hard to tell from outside for certain, but the Likud recruited from Jews whose families were from otherwise Arab countries precisely in order to integrate/assimilate to the Western colonialist imports, breaking all cultural ties and resemblances to the Arab cultures.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 12 2021 22:47 utc | 36

Erik @ 22:

The sobering thought is that all known illicit drugs that are commonly used by most addicts or as recreational drugs originated as medicinal drugs. They were invented by chemists, pharmacists or medical researchers.

CHARLES ROMLEY ALDER WRIGHT – THE FOREFATHER OF HEROIN

Dr. Charles Wright, born in 1844, was a physics and chemistry researcher in London. Well respected, he helped found the Royal Institute of Chemistry of Great Britain and Ireland. With his chemist skills, he had been experimenting with morphine, combining it with various acids. He had hoped to discover a nonaddictive alternative to the medicine and soon discovered a more potent version of morphine by boiling anhydrous morphine alkaloid with acetic anhydride. Called diacetylmorphine at the time, this is the substance today known as heroin. Following Wright’s discovery, the drug was marketed as an analgesic and a cough sedative in 1888. It wasn’t until 1913 that its addictive qualities were officially discovered and it was swiftly taken off the market.

JOHN PEMBERTON – THE FOREFATHER OF COCAINE

Following injuries he sustained as a Colonel in the Confederate Army, John Pemberton, also a pharmacist, searched for a cure to counteract his addiction to morphine, which he had been using as a painkiller. After experimenting with coca and coca wines, he came up with what he called Pemberton’s French Wine Coca, an alcoholic blend designed to reduce nervousness; stomach, bowel, and kidney irregularities; and more. Following temperance legislation, Pemberton was under pressure to create a non-alcoholic version of his medicine and invented Coca-Cola by accident in 1886. It was the result when he mistakenly blended his base syrup with carbonated water, and he decided to market it as the fountain drink we know today. Ten years later, the Coca-Cola company ran into controversy after it was discovered cocaine was an addictive and dangerous substance. A glass used to 9 mg of its primary secret – now illegal – ingredient.

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NAGAI NAGAYOSHI – THE FOREFATHER OF METHAMPHETAMINE

Nagai Nagayoshi, who became the first doctor of pharmacy in Japan, was sponsored by the Prussia government to study at the University of Berlin and went on to receive a doctorate based on his study of eugenol. Nagayoshi later became a professor of chemistry and pharmacy in 1893, and it was this year he became the first to synthesize methamphetamine, which came from ephedrine. It was Nagayoshi’s work that led pharmacologist Akira Ogata to synthesize the crystalline form of methamphetamine, which we today know as crystal meth.

FRIEDRICH SERTÜRNER – THE FOREFATHER OF MORPHINE

Born in 1783, Friedrich Sertürner, achieved a number of recognized accomplishments at a young age when he worked as a pharmacist’s apprentice. He isolated morphine from opium, becoming the first person to ever extract an alkaloid from opium and thus to isolate an alkaloid from a plant. This feat made Sertürner the first person ever to isolate a medicinal plant or herb’s active ingredient. He named the alkaloid “morphium,” after Morpheus, the Greek god of dreams. Having morphine literally at his fingertips to examine, Sertürner investigated its effects. The drug became a widely used sedative after 1815, and Sertürner worked as a successful pharmacist until his death in 1841.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2021 22:51 utc | 37

Mr. Debsisdead

The real problem is not illegality, the real problem is that there are many that cannot hold their opium, heroin, their crack, their alcohol, etc. and become anti-social or down-right criminal.

If you legalize drugs, you will get entire cities of addicts.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 22:55 utc | 38

this thread got derailed due the conversation on drugs.. i am sure it wasn't intentional, but it is what happened here..

Posted by: james | Jan 12 2021 22:55 utc | 39

Mr. Bemildred

Many countries have had violent histories - Spain, Romania, Turkey, Iran, Italy are all examples of them.

Try again.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 22:57 utc | 40

Mr. steven t johnson

You be wrong.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 22:58 utc | 41

Posted by: fyi | Jan 12 2021 22:57 utc | 40

Yes they do, and no I won't try again.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 12 2021 23:08 utc | 42

FYI @ 30, Steven T Johnson @ 36:

In its early years (1948 - 1960s), Israel's politics and culture were dominated by Ashkenazi Jews or their descendants in countries they had migrated to, before moving to Israel.

During this time, Mizrahi Jews (Jews living in Islamic cultures and whose traditions were influenced by the Islamic and pre-Islamic traditions of their neighbours in these cultures) were brought to Israel via mass immigration programs portrayed as "taking up Aliyah". The bulk of the Mizrahi Jews came from Egypt, Iraq, Morocco and Yemen. They made up the bulk of the low-wage labouring classes in Israel, even though some if these Jews had clerical and administrative backgrounds.

A musician I used to know whose family was of Iraqi Jewish background told me that before the 1940s, Jewish people were prominent in Iraqi culture: they made up a considerable proportion of the country's professional musicians. I have read elsewhere that Iraqi banks before the 1940s were staffed mainly by Jewish people. About two-thirds of people living in Baghdad in the 1930s were Jewish. One wonders what a blow Iraq suffered when Jewish people left the country in huge waves in the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s as a result of a series of terror attacks, blamed on Muslim gangs angry at Israel's creation in 1948, that are now said (depending on sources) to have been instigated by underground Israeli agents and local Iraqi people working for these agents.

So for a few decades up to the 1980s, Israel's upper and middle classes were of Ashkenazi Jewish origins and culture, and the lower classes were mostly of Mizrahi Jewish origins. Later as Mizrahi Jews began to join the middle classes and left behind low-wage work, and began to intermarry with Ashkenazi Jews, Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza started doing low-wage work before the Intifada began in the 1980s. Since then, Israel has been importing guest workers from China and Southeast Asia, especially the Philippines. Some of these guest workers have had children born in Israel who can only speak Hebrew and they and the children have been subjected to deportation.

Significantly Israeli culture and society (or what we would call high culture or intellectual culture) are dominated by Ashkenazi Jewish cultural values and history, even as most Israeli Jews now have little connection with the history of Ashkenazi Jews and the Shoah / Holocaust. Low culture, working class culture or everyday culture seems to be associated with whatever Mizrahi Jews brought with them (their cuisines, for example).

Initially Israel was supposed to serve as Britain's eyes and ears in the Middle East to keep the Arabs and other native Middle Eastern communities in line. Now Israel serves as the eyes and ears of the US and the rest of the Five Eyes network in the Middle East. The relationship between Israel and the Anglosphere can at least be described as symbiotic.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 12 2021 23:27 utc | 43

Thanks for the several clarifications about methadone.

The Keiser Report I linked to and discussed along with other recent economic news on the week in review thread talks in its opening about Interest Rate Apartheid between the Neoliberal Parasites and the hoi polloi and the resulting problem that's caused--Great Depression 2.0, which is about to worsen as the dollar is quickly losing its value versus the commodities the Fed doesn't include when determining inflation. All those nations excluded via its illegal sanctions from the dollar-denominated global economy will come out winners. When Occupied Palestine loses its Patron, it will then be ripe for liberation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 12 2021 23:34 utc | 44

@22

Opiates have a large margin between effective and lethal doses, making them safer than many other medications.

Posted by: bolangi | Jan 12 2021 23:44 utc | 45

I read about the Yemenite children who were kidnapped in early Israeli history. Sad story. What a mess.

Yemenite Babies Affair

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 12 2021 23:46 utc | 46

https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/why-a-mind-is-a-terrible-thing-not tv

Posted by: Rawdawgbuffalo | Jan 12 2021 23:51 utc | 47

Yes, in general, Israel had to take a lot of extreme measures to drive immigration into itself from the world. Many Jews were quite happy where they were, and had no desire to relocate to some desert paradise in the Middle East. Zionism created, and tricked into being, threats to drive Jewish populations from other lands.

Alison Weir in her groundbreaking and highly acclaimed book, Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel sketches some of the forceful tactics Zionist cadres used to coerce refugees from World War II to be taken to Israel, very often against their will.

Weir also records how US officials during this age pushed back against the influence of Zionists, but the sums of money raised in the US to promote Zionist policy were of an awesome scale. And it was predicted at the time that the US involvement with the Israel plan would bring it the enmity of the Arab world, which up to that time it did not have.

Menachem Begin, she also records, proclaimed on American TV how proud he was to have introduced terrorism not only to the Middle East but to the whole world.

So these were the founding spirits of the situation we in the US find ourselves in today. We can see the The Zionist occupation of Palestine in clear, geographical terms. It is much harder to draw the Zionist occupation the US in clear terms, but surely it exists to a similar degree of absolute repression.

~~

I sometimes feel that if we could know the whole truth of the Jews, and the Zionists, many of our uncertainties about historical events and modern-day affairs would evaporate.

This has become a dangerous topic to pursue, which alone must tell us much. I'm glad of this thread from b. Outside of Unz, such discussions are rare.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 13 2021 0:26 utc | 48

James @ 39:

I take the blame for starting the thread on discussing opiate addiction @ 5. This was due to my picking up these paragraphs at the Buzzfeed News article that B linked to in connection with Miriam Adelson.

... Miriam [Adelson] married fellow physician Ariel Ochshorn in the 1970s, and had two daughters with him, Yasmin and Sivan. After they divorced in the 1980s, she came to New York to do a fellowship at Rockefeller University with Dr. Mary Jeanne Kreek. The two doctors have remained friends and collaborators to this day.

Kreek, who began her conversation with BuzzFeed News by stressing that she had gotten permission from Miriam to do the interview, said that she had been approached by an official in Israel’s Ministry of Health in 1986 about sending an Israeli doctor to Rockefeller to work on addiction medicine. In short order, Adelson came over to New York with her two teenagers, who attended the Ramaz School on Manhattan’s Upper East Side.

At the time, treating heroin addicts with methadone was still considered a cutting-edge treatment, and Kreek and Adelson (then Ochshorn) were on the forefront. It was also starting to become controversial; while many doctors argue that methadone maintenance is an effective harm-reduction tool that allows people to master their addiction and live normal lives, opponents say that using methadone instead of heroin is really another form of dependence. Kreek, who receives significant funding for her program from the Adelsons, decried the “stigma” surrounding methadone maintenance treatment ...

Here is a link to an article Miriam Adelson co-authored on whether methadone maintenance treatment (at her clinic, I presume) might improve opioid addicts' cognitive abilities:

Improvement in Cognitive Performance after One Year of Methadone Maintenance Treatment

More contributions by Dr Adelson at Research Gate here.

Whether the success of the treatments at Dr Adelson's clinics are actually due to the treatments themselves, and whether their success can be replicated in other clinics not owned or run by Dr Adelson, might be another issue.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2021 0:26 utc | 49

A new JCPOA will obviously have to eliminate all sanctions. But that might not be enough. Iran might want compensation for the economic damage done, compensation from the UK, France, and Germany as well as the US. Moreover, Iran will want to keep its now much larger stockpile of low-enriched uranium. It might want an even larger stockpile, and the right to enrich to 20%, which it is now doing. A breeder reactor and a plutonium stockpile would be nice, too.

But there are even other demands that might be made: reduction or removal of US/NATO/Israeli forces in the Gulf; reduction or elimination of Israeli nuclear weapons.

That train left the station.

In the past 5 years Iran re-configured it's economy into an autarcic fully industrialized, food secure, and diversified economy. It now earns more from the sale of manufactures and foods than from petroleum. It now manufactures AfraMax tankers, general cargo vessels, and naval vessels. It manufactures cars and trucks, and railroad rolling stock. It built hydro and irrigation schemes. It launches satellites into orbit.

Iran is now pressing ahead with the Arak heavy water reactor.

Khameni just banned import of NATO vaccines, and ordered the country to be vaccinated with Iran's own vaccine.

Khameni and the hard liners will not permit Iran to rejoin or to negotiate any agreements with the "Great Satan". Their line will be the US must show itself to be agreement capable by rejoining the JCPOA and removing any and all sanctions while paying damages too.

Iran will increase the amount of assistance given the Houthis. Trump's declaration of the Houthis as terrorists, benefits the resistance by solidifying their adherence to it. The Houthis must now "go for broke" or surrender. They will not surrender.

The harsh reality is Biden/Harris will be occupied at home suppressing the MAGA crowd. Since this group is 74 million strong, and mostly white, in a country trying to make them second class citizens, will be quite a challenge that. The jury is still out on that one.

Then there is the not so small matter of US oil production dropping like a stone from 12 mmBbl/day to 7 by July with further drops in the following 12 months. This coupled with and likely due to bankruptcies of a large number of producers going forward.

Will be an interesting year.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 13 2021 0:30 utc | 50

@ jen... i understood how it happened, but you see what resulted in it too... for anyone wanting to throw off moa, they would happily join in too..

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2021 0:32 utc | 51

Lex Talionis @ 46:

There was the Ringworm / X-ray irradiation issue in Israel in the 1950s as well. Thousands of Moroccan Jewish children had their heads X-rayed to treat ringworm infection. Many of these youngsters had brain tumours in later adult life.

Wikipedia article on the Ringworm Affair.

Canadian-born Israeli freelance writer Barry Chamish's article on the X-ray irradiation ringworm treatment of Mizrahi Jewish children. (Note: Chamish was regarded as a conspiracy theorist writer for much of his career for his view that Yitzhak Rabin had been killed three times and not just by a lone shooter, in an eerie parallel to the murder of John F Kennedy in Dallas in 1963. I actually liked reading Chamish's stuff back in the 1990s as long as he stuck to castigating Ariel Sharon's corruption and nepotism, and stayed away from discussing Palestinians of whom his opinion remains best unknown.)

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2021 0:49 utc | 52

@52 Jen - Thank you for that information. A new dark corner to explore. I value your comments very much. You are at the top of my list for folks that share their knowledge here. You told me about Lenni Brenner and his book, 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis.
And thanks to everyone else here and, of course, our host.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 13 2021 1:05 utc | 53

Dr. George @50--

Yes, "filling the gap" via fracking was a mistake as predicted 15 years ago by most of us at The Oil Drum, and the resulting decline will be a big factor in the inflation that's rearing its head. To slake its thirst for transport fuel and lower its cost, Biden will need to restore ties with Venezuela at minimum. But there's no guarantee Maduro will reciprocate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 13 2021 1:07 utc | 54

If I wrote a comment on Twitter or Facebook, I would probably immediately be blocked as an "anti-Semite".
But here I think I can venture to express my thought.
Looking over the past years at Israel's actions "to ensure its national security", I have the feeling that Israel is taking revenge for what was done to it during the Second World War. A kind of compensation process. Including, obviously, a kind of "final solution", but now with regard to the Palestinians.

The seizure of territory from Syria, military aggression in direct violation of international law, in fact, open discrimination against the Palestinians...
Of course, I am not claiming that Israel is acting by the methods of the Third Reich, but still, news like this - about the officialism of the apartheid regime - look rather alarming.

Posted by: alaff | Jan 13 2021 1:13 utc | 55

Judaism, when followed truthfully, is a confessional faith, a religion, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Hebrews are an actual ancestral and genetically verifiable people living upon the face of the Earth, the sons and daughters of Abraham.
The apartheid practices of the regime in Tel Aviv have absolutely nothing to do with either.

Posted by: Josh | Jan 13 2021 1:28 utc | 56

The obligatory anti-Zionism piece that every Western Lefty thinks s/he has to produce.
You'll never see them write anti Islamic state, as there are many of them and one of their officially legitimated fanatics might show up at you doorstep with a knife or an axe. They also have a lot of oil and money. Most important they are not Western, the despised own "race" at fault for most of the misery in the world plus boring bourgeoisie - themselves.

Posted by: Antonym | Jan 13 2021 1:29 utc | 57

Ms. Jen

Thank you.

Ashkenazi is a very broad term.

Used to be that most Israelis one met were Romanians.

Now, of course, one meets a lot of Russians.

The self-image of Israelis is that they are Western, but they are not.

Posted by: Fyi | Jan 13 2021 1:43 utc | 58

Mr. Dr. George W Oprisko

Most definitely.

Iran has the Shia Crescent to supply.

Posted by: Fyi | Jan 13 2021 1:48 utc | 59

@ Posted by: Josh | Jan 13 2021 1:28 utc | 56

Hebrews are an actual ancestral and genetically verifiable people living upon the face of the Earth, the sons and daughters of Abraham.

Source?

Posted by: vk | Jan 13 2021 2:02 utc | 60

Thank you very very much, as the song goes. This from 1970 applies to Adelson four or five orders of magnitude more than Scrooge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkq7WZTzkLQ

Posted by: William Haught | Jan 13 2021 2:09 utc | 61

The apartheid practices of the regime in Tel Aviv/Jerusalem are fully in accord with the commands of Jehovah in the Pentateuch.

I just had to read some of that stuff in a class in Biblical Hebrew.

Posted by: lysias | Jan 13 2021 2:28 utc | 62

Ashkenazi are ultimately an Aryan derived race, the Aryans themselves descendants of the early Caucasian peoples who started migrating/conquering from the Russian Steppes towards the tail end of the last ice age.

Of course there is a lot of mixed genetics, as conquering tribes often interbred with the conquered, and conquering tribes themselves are occasionally conquered and interbred with.

Posted by: Jason | Jan 13 2021 2:29 utc | 63

"With B'Tselem finally speaking out it is much easier to refute those who falsely denounce the much justified condemnation of Zionism and Israel as anti-semitic."

Never a truer word spoken... or written as the case may be. A European/US enclave in the midst of the semitic peoples

Semitic language groups. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Semitic_languages.svg/1200px-Semitic_languages.svg.png

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2021 2:39 utc | 64

all the posters here are unintentionally hilarious and pathetic.
The West: France, UK, Germany, USA paying money to Iran due to the economic sanctions? Are you guys living in fantasy land? When did the West ever paid for its crimes?
the JOPA or whatever is called was created to press Iran's back against the wall; The West still uses Game Theory; they had developed their next steps 10 steps in advance. They WERE going to deliberately create problems; Europe knew it wasn't going to adherent to the rules and do business with Iran. the whole thing was a trap for Iran/Russia/China and the 3 fell right into it. Of coruse, it doesnt help that both Russia and China are pussies and will NOT help Iran when it needs it the most but are letting it twist in the wind. SO it's NOT the West thats the problem, the real PROBLEM are Russia and CHina who are allowing the West to humiliate and play with iran the same way a cat plays with a mouse.
You wanna blame somebody, blame the right people: China and Russia! If they had only stepped in, especially china and finally signed that buiness they are supposetly singing, none of this would have happened. No wonder nobody trusts Russia and China: they are right!!!!

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jan 13 2021 3:11 utc | 65

re Jason | Jan 13 2021 2:29 utc | 63
That is correct. Here is a quote from "The Sea Wolves A History of the Vikings" by Lars Brownworth - Chapter 15 which details the history of the Rus, who were swedish vikings who settled most of Eastern Europe from about 750 AD, they hadn't had much resistance until they travelled down the Volga and met the Khazars.

"The Rus were far from home, and they could only operate on the Volga by permission of the Khazars, a powerful tribe that dominated the southern end of the river where the Volga Delta emptied into the Caspian. The Khazars were a semi-nomadic people originally from central Asia who had converted to Judaism in the eighth century"

Vikings being Vikings, the Rus eventually prevailed over the Khazars and drove them from the Volga further south where they settled in what is now known as Southern Russia (where many still reside) Ukraine & Poland where the nazis murdered millions of them.
It is highly likely that the Ashkenazi jews who invaded Palestine under the pretence that is zionism, have absolutely no semitic heritage. Sure the jews of the Middle East who had moved with the islamic settlers of the Iberian Moorish empire and were driven out to Morocco & Egypt by the Spanish Inquisition are semitic, but they weren't zionists and they too were manipulated and exploited by the Ashkenazi zionists as has everyone else Palestinian, Ethiopian, and Bangladeshi been.
The zionist cult is inherently racist seeing its members of being 'the chosen people' in identical terms as 'the master race' nonsense nazis spouted to justify mass murder and land theft.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 13 2021 3:40 utc | 66

karlof1 #54

To slake its thirst for transport fuel and lower its cost, Biden will need to restore ties with Venezuela at minimum. But there's no guarantee Maduro will reciprocate.

That is no way out for Biden as he still has to purchase at the OPEC price. If Biden drives the price down then his national producers can't repay their debts and then go bust.

The economic model is broken as the shareholders insist they are the first to get their pie, and the banks insist they are the first. If the banks get preference then the shareholders will go find another market to suck and the oil producers will lose again.

Biden wants to steal the oil and Trump demonstrated how easy that is in Syria. The only way to get a cheaper price from Venezuela without destroying the home front would be for Biden's pirates to steal their oil. That is likely what he and his merchants of Washington plan to do.

Washington has no scruples and just like Israel wages a race war against the semitic and arab peoples of the middle east so it can get free land and resources.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2021 3:47 utc | 67

Debsisdead
my understanding of Rus, from what I have read, began with the slavs of Kievian Rus.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2021 3:52 utc | 68

@Jen | Jan 12 2021 18:57 utc | 5

"... but wasn't heroin once used to wean people off methadone? I'll need to check."

I think the big pharma point is; not weaning people off, but rather onto their patented prescriptions. There was a BBC doco many years back about a mature heroine addict, father, family man and rather good artist. The final solution to the petty crime patterns he was responsible for to feed his illicit drug addiction was to provide him with weekly shots at the local pharmacy at a cost of about $5/dose. He subsequently lived a normal life and made a reasonable living from his art. Now, where is the problem again?

Posted by: imo | Jan 13 2021 3:55 utc | 69

Most orahistories date back to the last period of great global warming. A time of several different sea level rises (120m overall) but several very fast sea level rises as glacial lakes - inland seas - burst through the ice dams.
A lot of under water features in the Persian gulf. In oral history, which was written down some time after writing was invented, with waters welling from the deep (sea level rise) and rain pissing down due to climate change and there platue island sure to go under noah chucks together a raft or some form of boat and floats of and according to folklore washes up on the mountainous shores of iran 40 days later.
All this superstitious shit the has emerged from there is mind boggling is told in a similar style to all other oral histories, most of which date back to a time of great sea level rises and great climate change. Those that were before the time of great climate change are forgotten. Sea level rise of 120m over several millinia caused great upheaval, coastal peoples moving inland ect.
But back to noahs tribe, the hebrews, they wandered about for a long time as the were the last out of the persian gulf and all the land was taken up. for a short while tow and a half thousand years ago they conquered a little piece of ground and called it israel. A city kingdom that they only held for a couple of hundred years.

Now, those ancient hunter gather superstitions from this one pissant tribe has blossomed into the superstitions beliefs of millions the world over -'prophets'... Christ and Muhammad followers bloom like algae. What a fucking cult. Noah should be proud of himself.
Of all the hunter gather oral histories, most of the world gets its balls in a knot over the oral history and superstitions of the hebrew tribe of the semitic peoples.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2021 4:36 utc | 70

@Josh | Jan 13 2021 1:28 utc | 56

"Hebrews are an actual ancestral and genetically verifiable people living upon the face of the Earth, the sons and daughters of Abraham."

Well, we all share 98% DNA with rodents. Go figure. Your Abraham (and the Muslim's Ibrahim) was an Iraqi Arab with two (at least) wives -- one being Egyptian (the dominant hegemony of the region). So go hug your cousins.

"The apartheid practices of the regime in Tel Aviv have absolutely nothing to do with either."

Well, perhaps within your self-reinforcing mythology. There are good and bad people in all colors, shapes and sizes. However, archaeology and history tend to dispute your official narrative(s).

If you want to test your capacity for cognitive dissonance the try researching "Habiru" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habiru) and consider that the Egyptians were chasing the return of their stolen gold across the Red Sea.

You might find some interest in how others see your alleged genealogy based on historical (rather than mythological) records -- e.g., try "Who are the Habiru of the Amarna Letters?" (S. Douglas Waterhouse, Andrews University, 2001) --
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/jats/vol12/iss1/3/

Generally speaking, today's apartheid occupation of Palestine is consistent with historical records going back through Arab, Turk, Roman, Greek, Egyptian, .... periods. Nothing to be personally shamed or proud about, imo. Just human beings doing their thing. It is your tribal sense of 'exceptionalism' that is the main issue -- but that is nothing rare, for example: the Chinese and Indian/Hindu civilizations predating the post-Zoroastrian linage you which you refer as Hebrews.

From my personal research it appears that most of these Iraqi-Hebrew folk bred and blended into the general gene pool landscape over time except a small sub-tribal cohort who many considered as more on the veranda than in the house in the first place. I refer to the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. In my view, the Palestinians and Arabs in the area likely have more genetic links to ancient peoples (and evolving myths) than a bunch of converted Russian-steppe tribes from the 9th century. So, historically, the persecution of the Jew/Hebrew/Israelite continues with the persecution of the present day Palestinians.

Posted by: imo | Jan 13 2021 4:42 utc | 71

@66 Debsisdead and @ 68 Peter AU1 - In Ukraine & Russia by Serhii Plokh, he talks about the " Varangian contorversy." That is a contentious issue that arose among historians about ( i quote from page 26 of the book )
" - the role of the Varangians in founding the Russian state and nation. Those scholars who considered that role all-important and regarded the Varangians as Normans (Scandinavians) became known as Normanists, while their opponents, who either dismissed the leading role of the Varangians in early Rus history or considered them Slavs, were dubbed anti-Normanists."

I was doing a fair amount of research into Ukraine and its relationship to Russia. I recalled that in the book, what you two are discussing was mentioned a fair amount. For what it's worth, I thought you both might be interested.

here's a link to the book.

Ukraine & Russia - Serhii Plokhy

Besides that, I am quite interested in learning more about the whole Khazar Jewish origin thing. Does anyone have any reading suggestions? Were they from Central Asia?

Fascinating conversation as always at MoA!!

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 13 2021 5:10 utc | 72

@66 Debsisdead, @68 Peter Au1

Interesting. I had never seen the antecedent to Kievan Rus as the Vikings - I am not a scholar - so thanks for that lineage.

Debs, you're saying the soon-to-be Russians out-muscled the then-Khazars and pushed them southward. What a story that would be if we could know it. If only Thucydides could write that account.

And the same defeat is happening now, as after centuries of maneuvering, the Khazars of Israel see their long-sought prize of Crimea snatched from the dreams and returned to safety, enfolded again into Russia.

And that's the real story I would love to know, the secrets in the hearts of the Zionists for a century - or more, perhaps, because how far back into ancestry does the ambition go? - as they schemed to possess Crimea, and seemed close to getting it with Stalin, until he turned against them and shut that door. And then Khrushchev made it possible again, and then Putin took it away forever.

It would write a dozen volumes, produce a monster series on the screen, to narrate all the passion that coursed through that ambition, that ambition of the age - perhaps of the many ages - that now tastes nothing but ashes in its mouth.

~~

And as we discuss Israel, it never leaves my mind that they would by now be decamping for Crimea if they could, and in some fashion leaving behind them the mess in the Levant. And the climate of the new locale would have been lovely, not to mention the hydrocarbons, and the geo-strategic geography.

But now they have to stay where they put down stakes, and deal with the locals, who every day become stronger, while they shrink in trepidation.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 13 2021 5:12 utc | 73

OOPS - got ahead of myself with my excitement to add to the convo. I will add "The Sea Wolves" to the reading list. Embarrassed. My bad.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 13 2021 5:15 utc | 74

@ Grieved - you aren't so off in you imaginings...Patagonia is the new "Promised Land" for the stiff necked people.


Andinia Plan (wikipedia)

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 13 2021 5:25 utc | 75

karlof1 #54 and uncle tungsten #67

You are right ut that the US will need to steal the oil. Neera Tandem in charge of Management and Budget in Biden's cabinet was in favour of bombing Libya and taking the oil. So Venezuela looks like the the best source for that. Hope Venezuela is stocking up on Iranian missiles like HB has.

If Biden sticks to his plan on the oil and gas industry in the US and offshore he will need to find that oil elsewhere or the US will quickly turn into a Mad Max world before levelling out at neo-feudal.

If One wants to come to grips on how far the green economy will go, check out

https://ourfiniteworld.com/author/gailtheactuary/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/woodmackenzie/2020/07/28/what-would-a-joe-biden-win-mean-for-oil-and-gas/?sh=33516d377a5b
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/11/30/trump-neera-tanden-libya-oil/

Posted by: Tom | Jan 13 2021 5:27 utc | 76

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 13 2021 5:10 utc | 71

Karen Armstrong "History of God" covers it a bit. It has been a long time since I read the book so i can't tell you how deep she covered it.

Posted by: Tom | Jan 13 2021 5:35 utc | 77

@74 lex talionis

Many thanks. One has to notice how Wiki describes this plan:

This alleged plan has been used in Argentina as a rhetorical device by far right circles to attack Jews and Jewish institutions. In 1971 a leaflet appeared among officers in the Argentinean army under the name "Plan Andinia," which accused international Jewry and Zionists of planning to take over southern Argentina. It has been circulating ever since.

It's only one degree of obfuscation so far - obviously not a hot topic yet among the journals and forums. Imagine: officers of the army circulated notice of a threat, and they keep circulating it. And Wiki says it's just to denigrate Jews, nothing to do with perhaps a real plan for the military to be conscious of in safeguarding their nation.

Everything is actually fine because, as Wiki says, "the Zionist movement had abandoned all plans related to Argentina decades ago". So that's alright then. But maybe that assessment hasn't been updated since, after being so sure they had Crimea, they then lost it.

I suppose we will see modern history reveal how Christ walked in the groves of Patagonia and the stories of the lost tribe, combined with increased purchase of lands and the burning out of landholders, etc, etc... And Israel will be forced to take a position to support world Jewry.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 13 2021 5:43 utc | 78

@77 Grieved, you're late to the game..

https://www.mintpressnews.com/dark-secret-behind-british-billionaire-joe-lewis-parallel-state-in-argentina-patagonia/256068/

Posted by: Lozion | Jan 13 2021 6:05 utc | 79

yeah, i was gonna share the link lozion shared, but he beat me to it! that is from a few years ago...

Posted by: james | Jan 13 2021 6:33 utc | 80

Thanks for your contribution here, Grieved (@ 48). Your comments are always thought-provoking & elegantly stated...

Posted by: Jimmy - 4 | Jan 13 2021 6:39 utc | 81

The Jewish people is divided in pretty much the as any other Western people. There ore the globalists/elites and the populists/common men.

The globalists are: Most of the Jewish diaspora, in particular liberal and secular Jews, most of the Neocons, the Jewish media tycoons and the Israeli establishment (the generals, Mossad, supreme court etc.

The populists are: The vast majority of the Israeli Jews, some of the Neocons, most Orthodox and Ultraorthodox Jews of the diaspora and in particular Benjamin Netanyahu. Netanyahu is the Israeli Trump, not in terms of foreign policy (where he is far more aggressive), but how most Israelis view him. Like in all Western societies the divide is also geographic: Israel is for the Jewish people what the "rust belt" is for the USA.

The rise of the Democratic Neocons is neither good for Netanyahu nor for Israel. The recent statements of B'tselem and Netanyahu are indications the the tensions between the two Jewish peoples are rising further.

Posted by: m | Jan 13 2021 6:45 utc | 82

Jen @ 43

The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation,[1] a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers. The bombs were timed to detonate several hours after closing time. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents", or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.[2]

The Lavon Affair

Posted by: Down South | Jan 13 2021 7:05 utc | 83

There's a well-researched tome called A History Of The Vikings by Gwyn Jones that gives the history of Scandinavia, including their lack of land to settle and the lack of inheritance, between I think about 750 and 1100.

Successful kings would conquer important parts of Norway or Denmark only to be killed by their sons, or the sons would dispute their father's kingdom and off each other.

Workers in metal and great seamen, the landless sons would go "Viking" which means to adventure. Trade, conquest, exploration. The only settlement that worked out was Normandy, which I believe went on to conquer England. 1066 and all that. Structured law courts and many words remain in English law and language.

They ranged to the Volga river and beyond thus blonde Russians. There was one fellow with some hundred or two men and a few ships who sailed to the Mediterranean and signed up for a few years as mercenaries for the Ottoman Empire. This might be the Varangians mentioned above.

The Viking rowed and sailed longships, made from strips of lengthwise wood attached with copper nails, bent over inside the hull. This lapstrake hull caught air bubbles which reduces friction and makes the boat faster. The prow featured a carved monster to strike fear into her prey.

There's an extant example in Norway, a princess with animals, tools and farm implements in her longboat was sent out to sea after her death with all she needed for the afterlife. It was dug up a few decades ago from river mud during dredging and can be seen in a museum near Oslo.

Posted by: jonku | Jan 13 2021 7:17 utc | 84

OK two things:
1) Apologies to b as this is most certainly not a w...z site

2) Sorry Pete but the evidence that Rus came from Scandanavia in particular Sweden is pretty much conclusive. Swedish vikings being very close to eastern europe elected to settle that area once it became apparent that it was impossible to reap sufficient food regularly enough to support the population consistently. Danes and Nords who had no easy land access to alternative food sources sailed to new lands britain france & spain in particular. Note after their western trips to Greenland and Iceland, some of them reached the americas but the combination of extended supply lines and fierce resistance by the amerindians deterred 'em from mass settlement.
Anyway I have got to links to the Sea Wolves book here the first is to the MP3 audiobook of "The Sea Wolves A History of the Vikings" by Lars Brownworth.

This link is for the epub. I used both - the audiobook to listen to and the epub for maps and illustrations.
Of course anyone not economically disadvantaged by the current economic horror story should buy the book from the link upthread, others can access important information on europe and how it's violent and elitist culture evolved - use the links.
Lemme know if there are problems - mega has a privacy others lack but I'm not sure I've mastered all the recent changes to that platform.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 13 2021 7:42 utc | 85

re jonku | Jan 13 2021 7:17 utc | 83

As I understand it the link with the Ottomans began back in the days of Byzantium, the Rus went down the Volga into the black sea saw the wealth of Constantinople and tried to raid it and plunder it until one of the Constantine's said "you're our toughest opposition tho you'll never break down our walls but we'd like to hire you to keep all the rest of the wannabe's at bay".
A deal was done the upshot of which was the eventual conversion of the Rus from Woden etc to so-called Orthodox xtianity. Those byzantines paid really well! lol

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 13 2021 7:50 utc | 86

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2021 4:36 utc | 70

The Sumerians, the Fall of the First Cities you tube speculates about the origins of the Sumerians. Some think they may have refugees fleeing the rising water levels at the end of the last ice age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2lJUOv0hLA

Posted by: Tom | Jan 13 2021 9:50 utc | 87

Plate tectonics create a wee bit of instability in the Mediterranean region. Not only are there shoreline volcanoes but also sub-marine peaks that may erupt or simply avalanche and there is a fair bit of shaking going on. Santorini laid waste to many coastal occupations and wandering outcasts would have quickly set up village and claimed land rights. Today, many coastal archaeology digs reveal the remnants of those that copped an unexpected mud burial.

The Tempest Stele of Egypt erected by pharaoh Ahmose I around 3500 years ago records a devastating event there.

But all was not good to the south via the Persian Gulf as some 5000 (+/-) years ago there was one massive meteor splash down in the southern indian ocean - the Burckle meteor. It is likely that it created more than a tsunami and also rattled the planets crustal intersections to a degree that may have devastated the middle east and Mediterranean (at least). The planets shell does a fair bit of resonating when hit by large rocks like that. The tsunami is thought to have traveled all the way from Madagascar to the South West coast of Australia and the impact on sand dunes are visible today in both places via satellite imagery.

Earth's crustal instabilities can result in plates sinking or rising rapidly. There are sunken cities off Egypt, India, Japan (perhaps) and these could be linked to meteor impacts or the simple action of crustal collapse under conventional stress.

All adds up to some opportunities for mighty good myth making and rationalising as to why the gods hate them or us.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 13 2021 10:21 utc | 88

@ Jen 43
"During this time, Mizrahi Jews (Jews living in Islamic cultures and whose traditions were influenced by the Islamic and pre-Islamic traditions of their neighbours in these cultures) were brought to Israel via mass immigration programs portrayed as "taking up Aliyah"."

"Jews living in Islamic cultures" is one way to describe it.

But I think a better way would be something like this: a segment of the indigenous Arab population, characterized by its religious affiliation.

It was not uncommon for colonial powers to construct a hierarchy of indigenous groups.

Senegalese tirailleurs, Tutsi-Hutu hierarchy in Rwanda, casta in the Spanish empire.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 13 2021 10:29 utc | 89

What happened to Noirette? Any new bar?

Posted by: Mina | Jan 13 2021 10:32 utc | 90

Lex Talionis @ 53:

Thanks for the compliments here and elsewhere.

I see there has been some discussion here about the Khazars. Didn't Arthur Koestler write a book on the history of the Khazars back in the 1970s? I'm not sure if it's fiction or non-fiction or a bit of both.

My understanding is that a Turkic-speaking tribe gained control of territory around the lower Volga / northwest Caspian Sea region in the 500s and expanded it over time to include parts of modern Ukraine, Crimea, southern Russia, the Caucasus and western Kazakhstan. All peoples living in this territory, be they Slav, Greek, Scythian, Goth, Turk, Bulgar, whatever, became known as Khazars, after this tribe. The elites of the tribe adopted Judaism so as to avoid being absorbed by rival Christian and Islamic empires of the period, thus preserving their independence, culture and language. They appear to have practised religious tolerance but some groups obviously found switching to what the elites believed and worshipped to be expedient, perhaps in avoiding taxes or other obligations (in the way that poor people converting to Islam in the later Ottoman empire avoided having to pay the jizya tax that non-Muslims had to pay). The Khazar kingdom lasted several hundred years and relied on agriculture, trade and collecting taxes from merchant caravans criss-crossing its territory which had few natural barriers and thus could be breached by invaders from the north and the eastern steppes. The Rus state chipping away at Khazar territory and Varangians sailing down the Volga weakened the Khazar kingdom over time but the Khazar kingdom was ultimately destroyed by the Mongol invasions in the 1200s. The Khazars did not do too badly to have lasted so long; their kingdom may have lasted longer than the Ottoman empire did from the 1400s to 1922 when the Ottoman Sultan was deposed.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 13 2021 11:08 utc | 91

Just out of a morbid sense of curiosity, did American Jews have as disproportionate presence in the State Department prior to.... oh, I dunno... pluck a number out of the air... 1947 as they have so demonstrably had in Some More Recent Years I Could Name?

Or has it always been the case that the State Department was seen as an attractive career choice for go-getting Americans of the Jewish persuasion? Or is this a relatively recent development?

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 13 2021 11:37 utc | 92

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 13 2021 3:52 utc | 68

The Swedish Vikings merely founded the Rus (and formed its first dynasty). The Slavs continued to inhabit it.

It wasn't colonization, the Vikings just exported a model of State to the Slavs.

Posted by: vk | Jan 13 2021 11:46 utc | 93

Speaking on apartheid,

Biden pick to head DOJ Civil Rights Division wrote Blacks had 'superior physical and mental abilities'
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1348817652299530240

Posted by: Zanon | Jan 13 2021 12:45 utc | 94

Jen | Jan 13 2021 11:08 utc | 91

Koestler; The title was "the thirteenth tribe" (or close approximation - it was a long time ago, ahh the memories....). I took it as more or less straight, but as it went against the orthodoxy of "one" tribe (or race), I think you will have a hard time finding it again now. About the only bit I remember (further than your post) was it was the King himself who converted and forced his citizens to conform.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 13 2021 13:11 utc | 95

@Debsisdead | Jan 13 2021 7:42 utc | 85

Danes and Nords who had no easy land access to alternative food sources sailed to new lands britain france & spain in particular. Note after their western trips to Greenland and Iceland, some of them reached the americas but the combination of extended supply lines and fierce resistance by the amerindians deterred 'em from mass settlement.

I am re-reading a rather interesting book 'vestover før Columbus' (english version Westward before Columbus ) about the first vikings in America. According to the old sagas, it wasn't actually Leiv Eiriksson who first saw America. Flateyarboken tells the story about Bjarne Herjolfsson and his men during the summer of year 986 sailing with his longship from Iceland to the newly discovered Greenland. They wer caught by a storm west of Iceland and drifted far off course to the south. After turning north they saw a piece of flat land that was likely Cape Cod. Continuing north they discovered present day Nova Scotia with hills and forests. They did not go ashore because they had valuable cargo they needed to get to Greenland and had lost a lot of time. They sailed by Newfoundland to Greenland without setting foot in America. It is estimated it took them 2-3 weeks after turning north again.

The discoverer of Greenland, Eirik Raude (Eric the Red) had fled from Norway and Iceland after a series of murders. He had 3 sons, the oldest was Leiv Eiriksson (=son of Eirik). After visiting the king in Norway in the year 1000 at Nidaros (=Trondheim), Leiv bought Bjarne's ship and travelled west with 35 men. They first found Labrador and Newfoundland. They named it "Helluland" (stone country). Continuing south they found what they called "Markland". Even further south they found new land in the gulf of Maine where they set foot on an island and built cottages. Exactly where they landed is not known, but they were able to fish salmon there.

They walked around and one of Leivs german slaves found wine grapes. This was very important and why the sagas call america Vinland (Wine land). After Returning to Greenland, Leiv's younger brother Torvald wanted to capture more land. Again he used the same ship, sailed south and found the cottages built by Leiv. This is the "forgotten saga", they discovered Delaware and Chesapeake bay. At this point they had not seen any natives. The story goes they sailad and saw many "islands" (with their perspective everything in the west was islands), but they found many island with pine trees down to the sea, and there were no animals there. It is claimed this may have been the Bahamas. Sailing north again they got into a storm and was thrown ashore, breaking the keel of the ship. They spent all summer repairing. Sailing futrher north they finally found a bay they liked, they were able to walk ashore directly from the ship. Torvald wanted to build a home there. However, soon they discovered something strange on the opposite side of a bay, they saw mounds. Investigating the place, they saw 3 small boats. Under each boat were 3 men. 8 of them were captured, one escaped. This didn't end well, all 8 were killed. After killing the indians they investigated the mounds. This place was likely Savannah, Georgia.

The news about the intruders spread quickly and the saga explains that Torvald and his men heard screams, and they returned to the ship immediately. They saw a large number of small boats approaching them, so they put up shields. The indians rained arrows down on them after wich they retreated. After the battle, Torvald asked if anyone was hurt, but there were none. However, said Torvald, I have a wound under my arm and I will die. Bury me and name the place "Korsneset".

So, Torvald Eiriksson, brother of Leiv, is most likely buried near Savannah Georgia.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 13 2021 13:19 utc | 96

"it was the King himself who converted and forced his citizens to conform"

No, Jen is right: only the Khagan and ruling elite converted; the commoners were allowed to worship whatever deities they liked.

...or so the story goes; no one really knows, I'm sure.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 13 2021 13:32 utc | 97

Since we are doing this:

Westviking: The Ancient Norse in Greenland and North America

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 13 2021 13:32 utc | 98

@Debsisdead | Jan 13 2021 3:40 utc | 66

Vikings being Vikings, the Rus eventually prevailed over the Khazars and drove them from the Volga further south where they settled in what is now known as Southern Russia (where many still reside) Ukraine & Poland where the nazis murdered millions of them.
It is highly likely that the Ashkenazi jews who invaded Palestine under the pretence that is zionism, have absolutely no semitic heritage.
Another viking footnote is the Norwegian viking king Sigurd Jorsalfare, who's name means "Sigurd, who went to Jorsal". The old norse «Jórsalir» means Jerusalem. He travelled on a crusade there 1108-1111
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigurd_the_Crusader

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 13 2021 13:42 utc | 99

Have to disagree with the characterization of Adelson as “casino oligarch”. Casino owners are gangsters. Gangsters are not oligarchs, they are servants. Adelson may have been a very senior head butler but he was no oligarch.

The deceased was completely moribund for more than a year. Like a gangster, the fear he engendered kept us all in fear and awe while his medical condition was well known and terminal. His final service to his masters was and remains to keep our eyes on his pathetic person while his owners continue their rampage in the shadows.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jan 13 2021 14:00 utc | 100

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