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January 8, 2021
Open Thread 2021-002
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You know you reached rock bottom when even Mikhail frickin’ Gorbachev takes a jab on you: vk @1 Posted by: Abe | Jan 8 2021 12:58 utc | 2 @nr2 Abe Posted by: Den lille abe | Jan 8 2021 13:28 utc | 3 Posted by: Den lille abe | Jan 8 2021 13:28 utc | 3 Posted by: jo6pac | Jan 8 2021 13:37 utc | 4 If you’re an American, you might want to stock up on Stoli and beluga before the new regime settles in. Toilet paper, too. Posted by: bob sykes | Jan 8 2021 13:48 utc | 5 @3 @4 Posted by: Abe | Jan 8 2021 13:54 utc | 6 Blame the Soviets for the economy of places ravaged by war and sabotaged by the West? Remember the Eastern Front suffered the majority of action. Russia itself suffered the worst and had to rebuild more than anybody, whereas USA factories easily re-supplied Western Europe. Posted by: oglalla | Jan 8 2021 13:56 utc | 7 @ Posted by: Den lille abe | Jan 8 2021 13:28 utc | 3 Let’s commemorate the last bullet. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 8 2021 14:07 utc | 9 Posted this on the previous thread but better on an open thread. Pretty informative imo. Posted by: arby | Jan 8 2021 14:14 utc | 10 Posted by: Den lille abe | Jan 8 2021 13:28 utc | 3 Posted by: Paco | Jan 8 2021 14:15 utc | 11
The Dangerous Alliance of Rothschild and the Vatican of Francis Posted by: Down South | Jan 8 2021 14:17 utc | 12 Very interesting that Mitch McConnell’s wife was the first cabinet member to bail. Posted by: Morongobill | Jan 8 2021 14:21 utc | 13 From: http://www.zerohedge.com/energy/brexit-creates-major-problem-uk-energy-companies Posted by: dh-mtl | Jan 8 2021 14:26 utc | 14 ‘Completely untrustworthy’: Iran BANS import of coronavirus vaccines from US and Britain Posted by: arby | Jan 8 2021 14:42 utc | 15 For anyone who believes trump has an ounce of credabilty left this audio tape should take the blind fold off. Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 8 2021 14:47 utc | 16 Trump tells aides he wants to pardon himself in final days of presidency: Report Posted by: arby | Jan 8 2021 15:13 utc | 17 Do we need the vaccines? Posted by: Ric G | Jan 8 2021 15:17 utc | 18 +US and EU demand China release citizen reporter Zhang Zhan, locked up for covering Wuhan coronavirus outbreak – SCMP Posted by: denk | Jan 8 2021 15:29 utc | 19 @Den lille abe | Jan 8 2021 13:28 utc | 3 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2021 15:31 utc | 20 ‘But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.’ Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Jan 8 2021 15:31 utc | 21 @Sakineh Bagoom | Jan 8 2021 14:07 utc | 9
Very good point. Exactly one year later the obituary was written. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2021 15:35 utc | 22 https://youtu.be/44KvHwRHb3A Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2021 15:36 utc | 23 @arby | Jan 8 2021 14:42 utc | 15
The Iranians are very wise people. Maybe this is the kind of ‘natural selection’ that will increase the average IQ in the world. Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2021 15:40 utc | 24 It is curious that in one of the articles MoA wrote that, in his opinion (which I share), there are now two superpowers – the United States and Russia, while China is only on the way to this.
Paco @11 Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 8 2021 15:55 utc | 26 vk@8 “The USSR could’ve reformed and opened up like China did, and would be in a much better situation than what really happened (Yeltsin’s neoliberal genocide).” Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 8 2021 15:58 utc | 27 Lucci @23 Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 16:17 utc | 28 The first month of COVID vaccine administration has been a fiasco. Yes, you can lay the blame at the feet of Trump. But Democrats also signed onto legislation that, rather than using established distribution channels, required entirely new ones. Posted by: JohnH | Jan 8 2021 16:24 utc | 29 A good article from Serge Halimi in Counterpunch today: Posted by: bevin | Jan 8 2021 16:25 utc | 30 Gorbachev was stabbed in the back by Reagan and betrayed by an America that pretended to want peace with Russia. His crime was being naive, believing that America would keep its promises, when even a cursory glance at history shows that America NEVER does. Yeltsin was a brave but drunken fool who thought that Harvard Economics meant prosperity instead of debt servitude. Fortunately there was Putin to save Russia from total disaster and deny America the rich prize it thought it had within its grasp. And that is why America is insane with hatred for Russia and Putin. And now Russia is strong, China is strong, and mighty America’s foundations are cracking under the weight of all that wealth held by a tiny handful. Posted by: pasha | Jan 8 2021 16:35 utc | 31 @Den lille abe #3 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2021 17:08 utc | 32 @pasha #31 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2021 17:17 utc | 33 Revenge of the Nerds this is the link to the The Trump, Trump Jr, and Kimberly Guilfoyle partying video. I call it revenge of the nerds because Trump when your underlings are fed up with you they know how to hit back. They start leaking phone calls and videos like this. At the start of his Presidency it was the Security State preserving the Cold Wars but now its the next tier. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jan 8 2021 17:24 utc | 34 When you have a narcissistic manchild with dreams of being a potentate because he knows better than anyone how to MAGA and that could take another 4 to 8 years or maybe until he kicks the bucket and gets a glorious horse-drawn carriage brass band parade send off for having transformed America and the world with his superior intellect and greatness what you really have is a threat to Democracy on your hands.
Not to mention that he egged on his supporters to knock the crap out of Sanders’ protesters at his rallies and he would pay their legal fees. Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2021 17:57 utc | 37 Posted by: dh-mtl | Jan 8 2021 14:26 utc | 14 Posted by: Mercury | Jan 8 2021 18:12 utc | 38 @Circe | Jan 8 2021 17:57 utc | 37
LOL, I don’t think so 🙂 Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2021 18:16 utc | 39 This is maybe what one could call “Leaving In style” Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 8 2021 18:24 utc | 40 It was a surprise to me as I had assumed he would be universally accepted in a positive light as he is in the west.!> Posted by: RR | Jan 8 2021 18:25 utc | 41 ” … 18 U.S.C. § 2384. According to the statutory definition of sedition, it is a crime for two or more people within the jurisdiction of the United States: Posted by: chet380 | Jan 8 2021 19:33 utc | 42 This is the Scottish version of brutality. The girl who had a seizure had just been released from Hospital and has been “Charged”. Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 8 2021 19:58 utc | 43 chet380 Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2021 20:25 utc | 44 It’s my understanding that from 1953 to 1991, from Khrushchev to Gorbachev, the Soviet leadership was dominated by people with personal family ties in Ukraine. During these years Moscow invested heavily in the industrial development of the Ukrainian SSR. Much of Soviet aerospace industry in particular was located there. When the USSR broke up in 1991, the RSFSR (the current Russian Federation) lost a major part of the USSR’s industrial base and this helps to account for the political and economic chaos in Russia during the 1990s. Posted by: Jen | Jan 8 2021 20:34 utc | 45 September 29,2020 Posted by: Circe | Jan 8 2021 20:37 utc | 46 The real terrorists in the USA have been manipulating the USA and killing their opponents for the past century. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 20:42 utc | 47 Could this spectacle be the ‘creative destruction’ so famously advocated by the bloodthirsty Ziocon fascists Douglas Feith and Michael Ledeen ? Posted by: Paul | Jan 8 2021 21:01 utc | 48 No free lunch for you, peasant! New video footage released of the massive Nashville Christmas morning explosion: Posted by: gm | Jan 8 2021 21:41 utc | 50 vk #49 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 22:15 utc | 51 AOC speaks on hypocrisy and the cause of rioting. She is responding to Ted Cruz tweet. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 23:14 utc | 52 @Jen #45
Incorrect. There were specific programs located there, but it was not a primary (i.e. most important) aerospace equipment development center. Posted by: c1ue | Jan 8 2021 23:21 utc | 53 @ uncle tungsten 47 Posted by: Paul | Jan 8 2021 23:25 utc | 54 uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 20:42 utc | 47 Posted by: Mercury | Jan 9 2021 0:06 utc | 55 I recently stumbled about this article making the claim that the CoV-SARS-2 virus might have been created artificially and unintentionally escaped a Chinese research lab. I have so far dismissed such claimes as obviously unfounded and easily recognizeable attempts to make China look bad but I have to admit that this one is frighteningly convincing. Posted by: m | Jan 9 2021 0:12 utc | 56 Logistics wins – and loses – wars, my friends: Jen @ 45– Posted by: arby | Jan 9 2021 0:38 utc | 58 @ uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 20:42 utc | 47 Posted by: Mercury | Jan 9 2021 1:27 utc | 59 Turn off the sound , look at the images. RE: New video footage released of the massive Nashville Christmas morning explosion: Posted by: gm | Jan 9 2021 2:12 utc | 61 @ mercury 59 Posted by: Paul | Jan 9 2021 2:26 utc | 62 gm #61
I saw that too and assumed it was an airborne gas bottle in its death throes. Lots of glowing hot debris rained down after. odd that the vid was deleted. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 2:54 utc | 63 mercury #59 etc. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 3:08 utc | 64 gm #61 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 3:12 utc | 65 @ uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 3:12 utc | 65 Posted by: gm | Jan 9 2021 3:32 utc | 66 Down South #12
Barflies might pour a strong drink before reading this brilliant report by F. William Engdahl there is a list of worthies to consider here as they are ‘the Guardians’ of this fresh new alliance between Vatican and Rothschilds. Shades of Venice circa 1600’s. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 3:39 utc | 67 Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2021 0:12 utc | 57 Posted by: J W | Jan 9 2021 3:42 utc | 68 gm #66
Not powerful though as it appears from reports to have been a big bundle of gas cylinders. You get lots of flame and dramatic images but minimal blast wave. From what I saw there was no hole in the pavement and facades on opposing buildings were damaged but intact. Windows blown out but you would expect that. Up the street the traffic light shields detached and rolled around but that was all. It may have been right on top of the cable tunnels under the building and that would have had some effect but the telecoms shut down happened after the standby generators failed an hour + later. At least that is what I recall from various news items. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 4:15 utc | 69 Down South @ 12, Uncle T @ 67: Posted by: Jen | Jan 9 2021 5:12 utc | 70 HUGE: After 4 Years of Stonewalling Corrupt FBI Finally Admits They’re Holding Seth Rich’s Laptop , By Larry Johnson Published December 9, 2020 at 2:34pm Posted by: Antonym | Jan 9 2021 5:15 utc | 71 @ uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 3:08 utc | 64 Posted by: Mercury | Jan 9 2021 10:06 utc | 72 re: uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 4:15 utc | 69 Posted by: gm | Jan 9 2021 10:17 utc | 73 re: uncle tungsten | Jan 9 2021 4:15 utc | 69 Posted by: gm | Jan 9 2021 10:17 utc | 74 And another 737 crashes, though not a MAX this time: Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jan 9 2021 11:48 utc | 75 So interesting to see the same, sad conspiracy theories circulating. Posted by: c1ue | Jan 9 2021 15:01 utc | 76 Ils sont fous ces américains avec leur Ollywood: Posted by: willie | Jan 9 2021 17:01 utc | 77 @ c1ue | Jan 9 2021 15:01 utc | 76 Posted by: Mercury | Jan 9 2021 21:49 utc | 78 Trump is still president for another 10+ days and has had Pompeo declare that the 1 country policy with regard to Taiwan will no longer be held to…..since Nixon days Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 10 2021 3:41 utc | 79 @Mercury #78 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 10 2021 12:05 utc | 80 c1ue @76:
It is a combination of both: Silly secret societies with owl statues in their clubhouses and pyramid-eye symbols on their secret decoder rings/smartphone apps that are being run by gangs of delusional morons. The mistake is assigning mystical power, knowledge, or abilities to these secret societies. They are just the equivalent of elite college fraternities but for adult children who have graduated from the sandbox of Ivy League education and have grabbed some power in society. To be sure, membership opens access to more power in society simply due to networking with other elites, but there is nothing supernatural about that. Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 10 2021 12:32 utc | 81 c1ue @80: “…why has no one talked?” Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 10 2021 13:02 utc | 82 @William Gruff #82 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 11 2021 16:04 utc | 84 https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/why-a-mind-is-a-terrible-thing-not Posted by: Dogon Priest | Jan 12 2021 23:52 utc | 85 @84 c1ue Posted by: Grieved | Jan 13 2021 3:35 utc | 86 https://mobile.twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293 Posted by: Triden | Jan 13 2021 4:01 utc | 87 @Grieved #86 Posted by: c1ue | Jan 13 2021 14:35 utc | 88 |
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