Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 07, 2021

Leaving In Style

Trump's supporters are taking care that their president can leave in style.


U.S. foreign policy has come home to bite. Does anyone still remember when the Twitter blue ticks lauded this 'peaceful' 'pro-democracy' action?


Speaker of the House Nanci Pelosi once said of the protests in Hong Kong: "It is a beautiful sight to behold."

teleSUR English @telesurenglish - 22:20 UTC · Jan 6, 2021
See any similarities? Images from Juan Guaidó's attempt to storm Venezuela's National Assembly and today's pro-Trump mobs occupying the U.S. Capitol building, just one year apart.

This ITV footage of average Americans storming their Capitol is truly extraordinary. These people are true believers who strongly feel that they have been wronged.

Ruslan Moldovanov @Revolov - 00:50 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Washington, D.C., today resembles an Eastern European capital where a color revolution is unfolding.
The same very vibes

Some Capitol guests were violent but those may well have been saboteurs:

DR JANE’S DC 2.0 - @DrJaneRuby - 4:11 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Trump supporters physically stopped Antifa rioter from trying to break window at Capitol building.
They were trying to call them out

Who by the way knew that members of Congress have gas masks under their seats?

Tear gas was deployed in the Capitol rotunda, so the order came down for lawmakers to ready gas masks that are stored under their seats. Allred helped some his colleagues take out their masks as Arizona Rep. Ruben Gallego, a Marine Corps veteran, provided instruction.

“When you put your mask on, breathe slowly or you’ll hyperventilate,” Gallego said, according to Allred.

There surely is a lot of hyperventilating right now. Trump is accused of inciting violence.

It doesn't read like that. In fact Trump spoke out against violence and called on the people to leave peacefully only to get censored by the blue tick monopoly:

Protesters, who were seen fighting with officers both inside the building and outside, were described as "special people" by President Donald Trump, who responded to calls to condemn the violence.

In a video address shared on Twitter, he urged his supporters to "go home" but repeated an unsubstantiated claim that the election was "stolen".

He said: "I know your pain, I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us, it was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side.

"But you have to go home now, we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt."

He described it as a "tough period of time", and repeated false claims that the November's election was "fraudulent".

He ended the video message by calling the protesters "very special", adding: "We can’t play into the hands of these people.

"We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special."

Twitter disabled the video from being liked or retweeted "due to a risk of violence". It was later deleted.

Explain to me how the above quotes are risking violence or a breach of 'civic integrity'? What, please, is that?

Twitter Safety @TwitterSafety - 0:02 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Replying to @TwitterSafety
Future violations of the Twitter Rules, including our Civic Integrity or Violent Threats policies, will result in permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account.

During the brawl a Capitol Police officer shot an unarmed woman. She was a pro-Trump veteran. Trump and his supporters will unreasonably be blamed for that.

Alastair Crooke has called this America's epiphany moment:

The blanketing canopy pressing down across the globe of TINA (there is no alternative) is rupturing. The fabric is tearing at the seams. Now, with the U.S. courts having abdicated their role in adjudicating suits in connection with the 3rd November election, it seems that President Trump will make a last effort to change the course of events between 6–20 January (inauguration day). At point of writing, some 140 Republican Representatives say they will challenge the outcome of certain elections on 6 January. Whether this challenge will succeed (in all its dimensions) is moot.

What then? Well, Red America – whether rightly or wrongly – sees that 20 January may prove to be ‘the end of the line’ for them. Eight out of ten Republicans believe the election stolen; that the crucial Georgia Senatorial race likely will be ‘stolen’ too; that the destruction of small and mid-sized businesses through lockdown was a premeditated strategy to further consolidate Big Business Oligarchs; and that ultimately Red Americans will face ‘cancellation’ by an incoming woke ‘soft-totalitarianism’, orchestrated by Big Tech. This is their perspective – their Epiphany revelation. It is, to say the least, bleak.
Yes, many American (and western) myths about American identity and politics lie shattered on the ground. Many still are in a state of shock. They had imagined their elections as somehow sacrosanct. They had imagined the courts as arbitrators. And they never imagined to see a U.S. President ridiculed and humiliated so, by the MSM. Reality has arrived as a slap in the face.

And yes – TINA is over; a market for alternatives is now open for business.
But much more than this, the tear to that oppressive TINA canopy allows other civilisational-states assertively to reject criticisms, or policies, which have been weaponised against their value-systems. If Red America can utterly reject woke values, and vice versa, then why should other civilisations not reject western Enlightenment values?

This has been coming for a while.

It will only intensify.

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@pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 13:59 utc | 89

norwegian give me a break from your endless shilling for the fossil fuel companies

Huh? Your imagination has given you a strawman to play with, but that strawman has nothing to do with me or anything I said. But thanks for proving my point about questioning the narrative of the powerful.

P.S. Trump didn't die of Covid as you have learned (or maybe not)

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 14:32 utc | 101

I haven't got time right now to catch up with the comments, but I'm reposting my comment from yesterday.

TLDR, there is no possibility of a coup, there never was, and the threat is being overblown to serve the interests of the ruling class

What's happening in DC is pure spectacle. I'm sure many of the protestors feel that the election was illegitimate, and perhaps some of them even think they're part of a movement that has a chance at overthrowing the results. But the media coverage of the event, and the DC police allowing some of them to 'break into' the capitol magnifies their importance to a ludicrous degree.

There is no remote possibility of a coup. It is not in the interests of the ruling class, and there is certainly no other entity in the US today that could carry out a coup. Casting doubt on the integrity of the election serves the interests of some elements of the ruling class. After all, claims of election fraud have served the Republicans extremely well in the past few decades, as part of a larger strategy of demonizing immigrants. But no elements of the US ruling class, in the present moment, would support a coup against Joe Biden in favor of Donald Trump. Regardless of partisan disagreements on strategy, it's obvious that Joe Biden will represent and try to advance the interests of the ruling class much more effectively than some coup government could.

So how are the interests of the ruling class advanced by this spectacle? I have a few ideas. The first should be obvious to any reader of MoA. Russia, China, or Iran will be blamed for the 'attempted coup.' Intelligence agencies will find proof that they somehow stoked the protests. This also provides a neat way to continue demonizing russia even with Trump out of the way. I'm sure it won't be hard to find some facebook posts that prove that Russia, China or Iran spread disinformation about the election and that they are therefore to blame. Check out what the 10 former Defense secretaries said:

"Transitions, which all of us have experienced, are a crucial part of the successful transfer of power. They often occur at times of international uncertainty about U.S. national security policy and posture. They can be a moment when the nation is vulnerable to actions by adversaries seeking to take advantage of the situation."

The second benefit is that by magnifying the threat to American democracy, the ruling class can reasonably expect people to rally behind biden. When Biden, with a Democratic majority in house and senate, still fails to improve people's lives and it is clear that he does not care about the welfare of the great majority of the people, some will still defend him because his presidency will symbolize the victory of democracy over authoritarianism, racism, etc.

The third benefit is that every perceived 'threat to America' provides cover for enhancing the powers of state repression.

A fourth possible benefit, and this is very speculative, is that this present spectacle might be an effort to crush Trumpism as a movement. I do not imagine that Trump ever cared much about the interests of the American people, and he certainly never did much to advance those interests, but I think the political movement that brought him to power came as a surprise to the ruling class and that his presidency often damaged the interests of the ruling class at home and abroad. If Trump is to be done away with, the movement that identifies with him must be done away with as well. Allowing the mob to 'Storm the US capitol,' as CBS is reporting presently, gives the US Government an excellent justification for repressing an anti-government right. This would dovetail nicely with the FBI's recent noise about white supremacy (which is certainly a fundamental problem in the United States, but it is not one the FBI would ever be interested in solving).

If there is a crackdown on right wing militia groups over the next few months, there would be a further benefit to the ruling class, which is that they would most likely go underground and serve as a pool of highly infiltrated disposable assets. This would be helpful for maintaining a strategy of tension domestically.

These are my thoughts on present events in DC. There is no coup. There is no overturning the election. There is only the question of who benefits and how.

Posted by: Peltast | Jan 7 2021 14:39 utc | 102

@ Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 14:08 utc | 96

I didn't move the goalposts. The non-religious part of America may have flocked en masse to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: vk | Jan 7 2021 14:40 utc | 103

Christian J. Chuba #99
Don't dance around the elephant, please.

> calling the elections fraudulent, after claiming he won in a landslide, saying it was stolen
the same as calling for violence,
in your book?

Careful now, as this will say a lot about your mental state.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 14:47 utc | 104

vk #103
Anything may have happened, or not.

You need to present more than just pure speculation.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 14:51 utc | 105

vk | Jan 7 2021 13:57 utc | 87

Karens against lockdown? That's a new one to me. Karens are the ones who freak out if they see you not wearing a mask in public or if their neighbour has a friend visiting they phone the police. They're not necessarily female(or is it a-female now?) as it's a non-gender character trait. They are self righteous simpletons who love having authority to tell them what to do and a media to do their thinking for them.

I agree with Norwegian that we are living in a top/down society, not a left/right one. However the majority of people are still trapped in the old right/left narrative. Arguing that karens are left or right highlights this. They're karens! That's all we need to know about them.

Yet to point out one thing: left/right still does matter as the Left has completely welcomed lockdown society, with few exceptions, while the Right has proven to be more skeptical. Part of this I blame on ignorance and the Left not understanding that government is not their friend any longer. Another aspect is the Left gravitating towards power, regardless of what damage that power does to society. You see, the Left is mostly made up of special interest groups which have benefited from bigger government and the Woke Revolution. Doesn't matter if they are government employees or the alphabet soup crowd. They're still gaming the system for any advantage they can get.

Posted by: EoinW | Jan 7 2021 14:54 utc | 107

Peltast | Jan 7 2021 14:39 utc | 102

An at first excellent comment derails entirely in the very end:
> white supremacy [...] is certainly a fundamental problem in the United States

And so badly so, without the slightest attempt on explanation for the 90 degree turn,
that one has to wonder if you're a troll, or a paid shill to just bring home one specific point of disinformation seeding.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 14:58 utc | 108

How much longer will it be before political rigor mortis sets in? Or has it already?

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 7 2021 15:25 utc | 109

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 13:39 utc | 77

There is a difference between evolution as theory and evolution as fact: What Darwin established was the fact of evolution. What he proposed as its mechanism was natural selection along with some other mechanisms. These have been refined by people characterized as Darwinists, but there are other theoretical mechanisms offered to explain the fact of evolution, such as, Gould and, I believe, Lewontin's Punctuated Equilibrium. One should not confuse biological evolution with social Darwinism, which tends to be political and racist at times particularly when applied to eugenics.

The fact of evolution is equally evident in the mutation processes of the viruses that give us colds and flus, not to mention COVID.

As far as climate change is concerned, there is again the fact that the global climate changes, and has been recorded as warming in recent decades and centuries. The controversy has always been to what extent human agency is actually responsible for contributing to this warming, or whether it is a naturally occurring change.

To some extent it is still debatable and general trends over the past 200 years have led us to believe our fossil fuel consumption is at least partly responsible. To what extent is the key, and what if anything should/could be done about it. Every 100,000 years or so there seems to be a steep rise and peak of about 4 degrees above today, or so ice core research seems to say.

As for fossil fuel use, there are other health reasons for finding alternatives. Just ask the people in the Middle East.

Posted by: Bluedotterel | Jan 7 2021 15:32 utc | 110

Good day and Peace . The Great Reset will unfold now as the actors have played their parts well. The remaining destruction of small businesses will unfold as the destruction of the food supply chain and farming is attacked. Famine world wide as it already has unfolded in Africa with 20,000 more children are dying per month and child labour has grown 14 %. The vaccine is not a vaccine but a synthetic pathogen that enters the bodies cells and waits for the next infection event and the immune system will attack the very cells it is to protect. This will kill hundreds of millions and cause untold illness and will be blamed on Covid. Lock downs will be normal and people that resist will be taken away forever. All debt will be forgiven and properties and assets will be taken for a hand out . Civil War will unfold with many deaths and within the US a third party will appear by 2024 but economically the country will be toast. In my Canada we are screwed because most are no longer capable of critical thought and the Gatekeepers are bought off . Maybe when they see some neighbors dissapearing they will awake but I doubt it. But as many great untold empires in the past have disappeared with the cycles of our star the earth will cleanse itself and start anew because we learned nothing and only have ourselves to blame. Peace

Posted by: Ray | Jan 7 2021 15:41 utc | 111

I found this reminder on the German blog "":

This is how it looked in Washington DC during the BLM demonstrations in May:

Quite a difference to the resistance against protesters yesterday, huh?


Posted by: Cemi | Jan 7 2021 15:43 utc | 112

B is full of it again. "Explain to me how the above quotes are risking violence or a breach of 'civic integrity". Trump said these after the violence has already broken out. Take a look at the video of his son and attorney (Giuliani) the day before. Listen to Trump's speech prior to the gathering. What is your angel B? Definitely not "truth".

Posted by: NE | Jan 7 2021 15:43 utc | 113

Bluedotterel #110
Not bad, for an attempt to make a balanced argument.

To finish it off, add that:
-We don't really know what amount or rate of global warming would be problematic.
-As for renewable energy use, just ask the people in South America and Africa, working in the copper and rare earth mines.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 15:44 utc | 114

Way off topic but some pretty good info on vaccines--

Coronavirus vaccine tracker

Posted by: arby | Jan 7 2021 15:47 utc | 115

NE #112

Give us he verbatim quote (with link to and timestamp of a video recording of same, for verification),
where Trump called for violence!
Or his son or Giuliani, for that matter.

Shouldn't be too hard if what you say is true.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 15:48 utc | 116

"...the election wasn’t “stolen”. Down ballot republicans outperformed Trump. That’s a really, really difficult way to steal an election..." Lex@85

The Republicans steal elections regularly. They do so by suppressing votes from poor and black areas, by disenfranchising millions of 'felons' (few of whom are actually guilty of felony) and gerrymandering House seats. Of course they also gerrymander electoral districts in the States too, which allows them to keep control.
The Democrats are no better. In fact they wrote the book on the arts of disenfranchisement, from Gerry to Daley. Their specialty is ballot box stuffing.
The big difference is that this year the Republicans were confident that the usual measures, which in the South include suppression of the black vote by intimidation, (something that shows in the low level of black participation in rural areas and small towns-where everyone knows what everyone else is doing and most employers are white) would do the trick. It generally does because the Democrats are not really interested in taking power at the State level or, for that matter, in Congress where-as the stimulus cheque and defence budget votes showed- they find it embarrassing when they have to choose their oligarch sponsors over their 'base. Obama was obviously relieved when in 2010 the Republicans swept the mid term elections and took the "Change" he had been elected on off the agenda. After that he just cruised through his last six years governing like his hero Reagan.

It is one of the most potent myths being manufactured by the media that the election this year was fair. It wasn't. The need for reform, beginning with the re-empowerment of the Civil Rights Act enforcement mechanisms, is something that must be imposed on the Democrats, who will fight against it because their control over the southern black vote depends on the maintenance of the current system.
And then there are the obvious and major Constitutional changes needed- the closing of the Electoral College system; the Senate, where it is possible for something like 20% of the electorate to control the majority of the 100 seats, has to be changed. Its current position is that of the British House of Lords in 1832.
All the sound and the fury of this very suspicious looking 'riot' shouldn't be allowed to block out the reality which is that, Trump or Biden, nothing is changed. The Biden administration is likely to be every bit as bad as Trump's, only the media will love it.
In the real world there is frustration. And it is entirely justified-living standards are plummeting and pessimism about the future is prevalent. But revolutions don't come from anger they come from reform movements stymied: when people realise that the only hope of any change is complete change-revolution- and feel ready to take the reins of power into their own hands, that is when revolutions occur.
"Realise" is the key word. Political consciousness means understanding of reality, not belief in weird and unsupportable theories whether they involve God or The Jews or oligarchical cabals intent on buying up small businesses by inventing pandemics or secret moves to smuggle microchips into brains to turn humanity into zombies. And the reality is that we live in a capitalist empire dominated by the determination of the exploiting class to protect its system from the threat, long understood but only ever realised episodically, of democracy. Of equality. Of liberty and treating each other as the siblings, parents and children that we all are.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 7 2021 15:58 utc | 117

@ Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 14:51 utc | 105

The fact that there is a fundamentalist Christian base to Trumpism is self-evident (as is self-evident that there is a Black base in Democratic centrism).

But here's Pew Research's 2019 poll on religiousness that gives substance to my opinion:

In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

See the graph in the link.

Christianity declined in America, but not by much: it is still 65% of the population.

Unaffiliated (which includes atheists, but not only) rose to just 26%, already with a pattern of stagnation and even slow decline.

This means the rest rose to 9% (other religions).

The scenario is pretty much clear here: Christians are resorting to fundamentalism in order to stop their relative decline, i.e. they're fewer, but more ardent, Christians. This also explains why they're resorting to more open political activism, which also explains the GOP's crescent religiousness (a Christian one) and also the rise of Trumpism and Bannonism (American Traditionalism).

On the other side, the unaffiliated are probably flocking en masse to the Democrats by pure decision by exclusion: there are just two parties in the USA, and one of them expelled the non-Christians and are on the political offensive, which leaves just the other remaining party (by pure chance, the Democratic Party) as a last mechanism of resistance.

Political polarization - a result of economic decline - explains the death of centrism/apoliticalism.

Remember this is not a new phenomenon: originally, Gay Rights activists were not leftists. Most of them still are rabid anti-Marxist, anti-Communists who want to destroy China, wanted to destroy the USSR, etc. etc. But they emigrated en masse to the left when the right-wings of the West begun to expel them, during the 1980s and 1990s, depending on the country. As a result, nowadays, everybody associates the LGBT cause to Leftism, when reality is much more nuanced. I call this the "Mormon Effect": the American Mormons didn't choose to live in Utah; they live in Utah because it was there where they stopped being persecuted (they came from the East Coast). So, nowadays, everybody associates Utah as the quintessential Mormon State.

Posted by: vk | Jan 7 2021 16:00 utc | 118

"A banana republic, if you can keep it."

Relax, dude. It's been a banana republic since the evening of Nov 22, 1963. The batteries got another recharge on Sept 11, 2001. Nothing new here.

Posted by: miz_porky | Jan 7 2021 16:04 utc | 119

michael: 93,

You can watch Trump's 70 minute tirade yourself. No need to wait.

Your ilk doesn't care for evidence, therefore I assume you'll not watch it.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 7 2021 16:05 utc | 120

The slogan on the second illustration (from Xiāngǎng, aka "Hòng Kóng") can either be seen as very apt -- or also quite sick, all depending on one's stance and situation. It says:
"There are no violent hooligans, only violent tyranny"
( 沒 有 爆 徒 , 只 有 爆 政 )

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐 | Jan 7 2021 16:10 utc | 121

@expat 63

I mean, how many times do they have to say things like "totally unproven" and "unsubstantiated" in every sentence before people start to think that they're being treated like idiots?

Been listening to BBC radio news...? ;)

Posted by: andee | Jan 7 2021 16:11 utc | 122

Apologies for not being up to date this morning, as it is Christmas Day, Old Orthodox style. I appreciate very much b's opening editorial, up to the point of his last question:

"...why should other civilizations not reject western Enlightenment values?"

This is not, and has not been, a struggle against "enlightenment values." We who read and listen to Michael Hudson know that his core points are in perfect unity with those values, and most of the world's civilizations base their economies and even their political philosophy upon such values. Truth and justice are not ephemeral terms; they are common goals for all civilized peoples, and the vices of current regimes, of which there are fewer these days, thank God, are not reflected in those governing principles that were brought into being at that time.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2021 16:27 utc | 123

In fact Trump spoke out against violence and called on the people to leave peacefully...

Trump tries to cover his ass after the fact. But he organized a march on D.C. for the very day that a legitimate election would be certified and then in his speech directed his supporters to march to the Capitol Building, a subliminal inducement to tempt fate after cranking up his multiple, repeated, unfounded grievances, in a speech laden with lies about a stolen election, and a fraud on the people (his people only, not the 81 million who voted for Biden) and other bullshit to rev the mob's motor.

From NYMag: Every Trump Loyalist Is Complicit in the President’s Incitement of Sedition By Jonathan Chait (sorry, link doesn't work with html) My comments in square brackets.

At the rally, he instructed his supporters to march to the Capitol and stop the proceedings. “And after this, we’re going to walk down there, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down … to the Capitol and we are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women,” Trump promised. “And we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. Because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong.”

[But he ended up not going with them, knowing perfectly well what he created; and distancing himself from the scene of the crime he consciously organized.]

Trump’s response to his defeat has been ineffectual and flailing, but it has followed a certain strategic logic. He has used every method at his disposal to negate an election he clearly lost. He filed scores of lawsuits. He pressured lawmakers and state officials to cancel the outcome, and he lobbied his vice-president to throw the election into the House of Representatives. When all these measures failed, he sent in a mob to shut down Congress.

You see it's just as Michael Cohen aptly explained Trump. He's like a mob boss, always cautious not to incriminate himself in the dirty deed he needs done; using coded language, which on a crowd of enthralled cult members, would be twice as effective catnip. Yeah, Trump was baiting insurgency all the way, and they delivered, although not as much as he no doubt hoped for. Someone is always left holding the bag for Trump; in this case it's his own supporters.

So despite dozens of lawsuits filed by Trump trying to delegitimize the election results and despite Trump inciting a coup and his supporters storming the Capitol to stop the Certification of the Electoral College results, and despite a bunch of craven, lying-assed Trumplicans objecting to the results only in the swing states, but not objecting to their wins down ballot, the House and Senate voted and Pence did his job and officially certified at 3:41 A.M. ET that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris will be the next President and Vice-President respectively.


Now your ego-driven manchild Trump has less than 2 weeks to vacate the White House premises and face the real world of civil suits and criminal charges coming his way, if he's not expelled before that.

And you all here will predictably bitch about every Biden twitch during your long-suffering deferment to the 2024 delusional Trump revival and I'll be pleased to check you with my bullshit metre all the way.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 7 2021 16:30 utc | 124

vk #117
To remind you, you originally claimed
>America, nowadays, is more religious than ever.

And a drop over 10 years from 77% to now "65% of the population identify as Christians" supports that claim?
Very interesting interpretation.

And about Mormons and Utah, you just show that you have now effing clue what you're talking about.
You've heard of the capitol of Utah, named Salt Lake City? It's were the biggest Mormon Temple is located, in downtown.
I visited SLC in summer of 2009, with cautious curiosity. Went to visit the temple (the few parts you may enter if not a Mormon), and the surrounding beautiful gardens. Afterwards walked around aimlessly in other parts of SLC downtown, it was a Wednesday late afternoon, so what would you expect. Then heard some faint noises and followed them to a small plaza between office high rise buildings.
There the local SLC Punk Rock youth was listening to an open air concert of (local?) Punk Rock bands, and drinking (after age check) beer out in the open.
To say I was stunned would be a grand understatement. It seems SLC, the core of Mormons and LDS, had "liberalized" one or two years before. Which gives you some indication about the majority leanings in the city, long ago already.

But you, as a religion hater, and equipped with some dangerous half-knowledge, just make up some BS to puffer your stance.

It reminds me of Monsters, Inc.: "STOP, you're making it worse!!"

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 16:30 utc | 125

I find it incredibly disingenuous that it is implied that the only reason this turned to a riot is because of "saboteurs".

Specifically the hanghthecensors link that is being floated around in this thread. It shows the guy in a viking outfit at a BLM protest (implying he is actually BLM supporters and showed up to the Capital riot yesterday to cause mayhem).

Incredible that website coincidentally crops out the full picture of him at the BLM protest which shows him with a sign saying "Q Sent me".

A well-known QAnon influencer dubbed the 'Q Shaman' played a highly visible role in the Capitol siege

Posted by: Turka | Jan 7 2021 16:31 utc | 126

@Bluedotterel | Jan 7 2021 15:32 utc | 110
It is not my intention to discuss pro/contra Darwins theory here, my main point is that if you do present well founded arguments against Darwinism or any other dogmatic theory owned by powerful people, you will be vehemently attacked because it questions the narrative of the powerful. That said, Darwinism rests on the idea of gradualism, i.e. slow changes over millions of years, driven by random mutations. The fact that this goes against basic physical principles (you can't randomly create something very complex from something very simple) and observable evidence (the fossil record isn't continuous and gradual) are some arguments that falsifies the idea of gradualism. I don't know what replaces it, but the scientific method deals mainly with falsifications.

The fact of evolution is equally evident in the mutation processes of the viruses that give us colds and flus, not to mention COVID.
Nobody questions that mutations exist, the question is whether you can mutate from a single cell to a human being through random mutations.
As far as climate change is concerned, there is again the fact that the global climate changes, and has been recorded as warming in recent decades and centuries.
You are talking in absolutes, as if you want to convince yourself. It is true that climate has been changing forever, but the changes we have seen after WW2 are not statistically significant and not even well defined, because there is no such thing as "global temperature" and you can't invent such a phenomenon by averaging several intensity readings, especially not when the selection and number of sites is drastically changing over short time and even tend to migrate towards the equator (Search for "The March of the Thermomenters"). Also look at the temperature curve for the last fifteen thousand years and observe the present warming is insignificant compared to almost anything, including the medieval warm period a thousand years ago (when the vikings discovered America), not to mention the Younger Dryas sudden 15C cooling 12900 years ago lasting 1200 years. None of that had anything to do with SUVs or such things. The Earths climate is highly variable and has always been so.
The controversy has always been to what extent human agency is actually responsible for contributing to this warming, or whether it is a naturally occurring change.
Yes, and add the political agenda and you have a nice controversy you can exploit a lot of money from. Therefore, if you question this idea, you will be attacked.
As for fossil fuel use,
The interesting thing is that such controversies are manipulated by the same language techniques described by Orwell in his 1984. Hydrocarbons are not universally "fossil", all you need is hydrogen and carbon under high temperature and pressure. To call it "fossil fuel" is a way to artifically create an impression of limited supply, and this a way to make money. If you think otherwise you might want to explain how hydrocarbons in the form of Methane ended up as rivers and lakes on the surface of Saturns moon Titan.

Again, these controversies can be discussed at length, except when powerful forces shut them down because it goes against their interest, just like the present situation where it is not allowed to say that the US election was fraudulent, which objective facts show that it was. That Trump might or might not be an idiot or crook, is irrelevant to this.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 16:33 utc | 127

Looking at scenes like these coming from the Capitol

It strikes me that the classic of contemporary American cinema "Idiocracy" has moved from comedy to documentary:

Life indeed imitates art ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 7 2021 16:33 utc | 128

Jay #119
Exactly the weasel answer I expected.
Meaning you can't point to an explicit call for violence in Trump's speech.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 16:34 utc | 129

How do pacify 72 million voters, many of whom are convinced that they have been cheated?. How do you stop them ALL from marching on the White house?

Answer; You stage a psyop. You let in a number of colourful figures disguised as "Manhatten-cowboy style trappers" - add a bit of shoving and pushing, lots of shouting. Cameramen(or women) at the ready. and bingo... everyone can go home afterwards saying "we tried" or "we did our bit".

Item one, a clip: Notice the two cameramen, one following the "break-in+, and the other at the top of the stairs. All filmed in glorious technicolour and HD by professionals)
I love the first demonstrator signaling the cop to retreat, small hand signal.

The MSM and "Governments" can all now play the "we support Democracy, look how we are above all this mayhem". Visible moral fibre on tap and statements prewritten?
Zuckerberg and mass media can silence any comment including Trumps or those that come from the "deplorables". Which is what they have done to silence any revision of the narrative, before it gains traction. (Zuckie rules, he must do as he wasn't elected, probably got there by hereditary means )

The bit-parts were played by members of the house who had their masks ready under their seats.

The unfortunate lady was probably an accident as the Police there just can't resist shooting someone.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 7 2021 16:39 utc | 130

vk | Jan 7 2021 13:14 utc | 68

Americans have been waging a war against Islam since 2002 - explicitly.

World War II cost US 4.2 trillion USD.

The current war against Islam will have cost them in excess of 8 trillion USD before this decade is out.

This war against Islam, based on its costs, clearly have been very near and very dear to the hearts and minds of Americans.

One should not argue with financial data.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 7 2021 16:41 utc | 131


The Churh of Nicholas on Lipno Island, that is where Putin celebrated the Orthodox Christmas, a XIII century stone church near Veliky Novgorod. They have a particular and especial architectural style in that region. The Church has been restored, unfortunately for my taste since there is a special beauty in old abandoned churches, which in Russia there are many, but soon wont’t be since they are restoring a lot of them.

St. Nicholas on Lipno Island


Here we have another president, Macron, and a solidarity message not with the people that stormed the Capitol, as he would have done if the event would have happened somewhere else, but to the powers that won an efficiently organized, austere in expenses, free, undisputed, exemplary…. well add any qualifier that goes with the usual self ass licking that we’re accustomed too. You can practice your French, french language I mean, not the french that Macron is providing so pathetically. The english part starts at 2:30, for whomever does not want to watch porno at this time of the day. (or night)

Posted by: Paco | Jan 7 2021 16:42 utc | 132

Item two; the police open the gates.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 7 2021 16:45 utc | 133

juliania #122
Hi Juliania, happy Christmas Day.

While I cannot speak for how B. sees it,
I personally have found that there are good reasons to question many parts of (western) Enlightenment and it's proposed "new values."

A book I can highly recommend, to go extremely deep in to the underlying assumptions of Rationalists/Modernists/Marxists/Humanists, is
Augusto Del Noce's "The Crisis of Modernity."

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 16:46 utc | 134

psychohistorian | Jan 7 2021 6:31 utc | 6

Read Trump's earlier stuff from Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The chaos in the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday unfolded after President Donald Trump spent weeks whipping up his supporters with false allegations of fraud in the Nov. 3 election, culminating in a call to march to the building that represents U.S. democracy.

The real question is was the election stolen? On balance, I would guess that it was and that is why the courts all refused to examine the evidence, instead of allowing the evidence to be presented and refuted. Trumps case was never answered only trashed and ridiculed.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 7 2021 16:47 utc | 135

Turka #125
I also find it incredibly disingenuous that protestors/"rioters" made it into the Capitol building despite sturdy doors, and the police couldn't stave it off.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 16:51 utc | 136

The woman that was killed

Why were protestors trying to access an area that was clearly secured - with armed guards locked doors, etc. - and had little media value compared to the floor of the Senate or House?

They had already made their point by gaining access to the capital building and disrupting the proceedings. Why make the effort to breach security of Congressional offices in the building instead of just taking selfies on the floor of the House and Senate?

Why didn't security shoot a warning shot?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 7 2021 16:51 utc | 137

vk | Jan 7 2021 16:00 utc | 117

Fundamentalism that you allude too predates, by decades, US decline.

It was part and parcel of Puritanism which triumphed in US and set US on the path of imperialism - for fun - in 1870s and later, on path of War with Islam, in 1940s.

Like Iran, the religious passions have to be broken against the Wall of Reality.

That has not yet happened in US, as they are willing to go to war with Iran on a drop of a hat.

EU countries, by the way, have been fellow-travelers with US on her war against Islam.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 7 2021 16:52 utc | 138

i knew it was a cop..anytime the news says "a ____ was shot and killed" and it's not followed by "the shooter was ___ by police" it probably is the police. the news channels until this morning went out of their way to dance around it. their Screech Word of the Day was "stormed" with "insurrection" a close second. they acted like it was the fucking maidan while their cameras filmed people strolling down the street and EMT types standing around with their cell phones and starbucks. it was the inverse of the infamous flaming "peaceful protest" CNN shot.

most of the trouble was just inbred hicks acting like inbred hicks and a lot of them seemed like hyper toddlers who were processing their first visit to a city with a population over 4 digits. they flipped off cameras and yelled out dumb shit about "BLM" and frightened the horses and etc etc.

i give them one thing though: throughout the police murder protests last year i (along with many others) kept saying "smashing store windows does nothing; you need to go to where the actual assholes who run things live and work. then they'll get the message and start smelling the torches". for all their "git 'er dun" hillbilly dumbness they actually found the whores who are on the second rung of the ladder and made them soil their $500 trousers.

now if they'd snap out of their koch-funded "derpa derp govmint is teh suck lol" mentality and hit the streets of manhattan and northern virginia they could put some terror into the rotted black hearts of their actual owners. but then they have this odd idea that a yuppie fatass from manhattan who sends their tax dollars to israel is the messiah so i'm not holding my breath.

one more silver lining: all the dumb fucks who whined about the police murder protests and conflated the actual peaceful protestors with the antifatards and vandals (protip: 2 things can happen at once) can stop whining now. and stop pretending it's just the "coloreds" and the "commies" who act up. the coverage from the MSM idiots may be more hysterical this time but that's a mix of class solidarity among yuppies and location, location, location.

Posted by: the pair | Jan 7 2021 16:53 utc | 139

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 16:33 utc | 126

The fact that this goes against basic physical principles (you can't randomly create something very complex from something very simple)


This is a key feature of our physical reality and the fractal nature of the material world is a key example of exactly this principle at work.

Chaos Theory is the study of exactly this phenomenon:

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 7 2021 16:59 utc | 140

just another addition to the "both sides are assholes" exhibit: the first comment on the NPR tweet about the unarmed woman killed by a cop is "coups have consequences".

even putting aside the whole (valid) "if it was a black woman killed by a cop" argument, i've loved seeing the past 4 years of so called "liberals" slowly losing their mask of humanity. they complain about the MAGA types as if they're the barbarians at the gate but they're ALL americans and therefore have violence and hatred of the "other" baked in from birth.

also, if that shitbag thinks this was a "coup" then they're even less informed than their idiotic comment would suggest.

Posted by: the pair | Jan 7 2021 17:03 utc | 141

Jezabeel | Jan 7 2021 7:29 utc | 21

they'll be goaded to war! With who? Maybe Iran. The real story though is - food security and wealth preservation. All else is illusions of yesterday. Good luck. Don't protest in Washington. The real power lies elsewhere.

According to Italian TV (RAI) all Italian airfields are on alert for operations against IRAN and are receiving incoming US warplanes.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 7 2021 17:06 utc | 142

@ William Gruff 57

Very well said. It's amazing how much you can tell about the agenda of the deep state just by careful reading and noticing the words chosen--especially when you keep seeing the same words repeated incessantly.

And incidentally, at first I was a bit curious about all this over-the-top sudden calls to impeach Trump and that sort of nonsense...I was thinking it was just a matter of continued venting of hatred at him for his "gift" of exposing the hypocrisy and duplicity of the deep state, and the US in general. But it just occurred to me that no, it's because it has dawned on them that a Trump drummed out of office by a clearly fraudulent election (i.e., righteously indignant) could be quite a rallying point for the disenfranchised regular citizens of the US. So, they're hoping to spend these last two weeks doing everything they can to tarnish his reputation and try to destroy his ability to rally the troops, so to speak. I don't think it will work, but then again who knows to what depths they will sink to permanently sink Trump. Expect a lot more craziness these last two weeks.

Posted by: J Swift | Jan 7 2021 17:11 utc | 143

michael #135

they broke through first via breaking the windows then climbing through. they then went around and just opened the doors for the rest.

your point still stands regarding the police presence (or lack there of). there is a video of one black capitol hill officer running up stairs as a mob of red hats chase after him. literally one officer blocking the main stairwell.

Posted by: turka | Jan 7 2021 17:12 utc | 144

The middle class and the working class have been shafted for decades.

The corporate state, the one party system and the media have been lying through their teeth for decades.

Finally, there was violence.

The violence was regrettable and tragic.

But whose fault was it, really?

Posted by: Mike from Jersey | Jan 7 2021 17:15 utc | 145

@57 gruff

Thank you kindly for taking your precious time to spell out the characteristics of the event that just transpired.

Your sleuthing is a fine compliment's to b's OP. Everyone should read this post.


As it stands, if there is a Biden presidency in 13 days, deplorables should consider POTUS Trump already dead.

Going forward, we need help like Gruff's and any other to point out patterns in the msm to chart how they want us to respond and immediately do the opposite.

If Trump comes on with his own jewish-funded news program complete with leggy blondes, I would say to hell with this man. This man is not "Trump," the one who threw a wrench into D.C.

If I had one wish, right now, it would be able to ask DJT if he would die so his phenomenon could live on or if he must be alive to continue it.

A man who loves his country would die I believe, and, at the very least get out of the way. Perhaps play an advisory role.

This moment will cost those that love their country dearly. This is not even including any plans our technocratic overlords desire for us within what is being called "the great reset."

We will lose touch with family members, we will lose jobs because our conscience deems it too much to bear to work without the thought process leading us ever to truth.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2021 17:22 utc | 146

haha, how silly.
The WHOLE thing was a total theater, staged to show Trump supporters as riot creating troublemakers. Trumpitism has been destroyed. The whole thing was staged, from beginning to end, just like 9-11, Kennedy assassination, Pear harbor and the gas attacks in Syria. USA is a master at theater.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jan 7 2021 17:25 utc | 147

Posted by: J Swift | Jan 7 2021 17:11 utc | 142

If Trump is impeached, he is prohibited from holding office in the future. Then they don't have to worry about Trump running in 2024.

Posted by: WJ | Jan 7 2021 17:26 utc | 148

This whole thing is deeply inauthentic.

I listened to Trump's speech contemporaneously and I thought that it was definitely incendiary and also considered that Trump was causing a whole lot of trouble with no actual meaningful plan. Then Trump disappears and leaves his supporters to it. That is cowardly.

I have long thought that Trumps supporters (the deplorables) are not a significant force and are just people who are being used as an Aunt Sally.

Then his supporters somehow get into Capitol Hill; it was the most soft invasion I have ever seen. And we are asked to believe that Senators were at real risk? This is just not plausible.

And then a protester gets shot and killed. Were the deplorables meant to lose their shit? They didn't; they just stood around shocked, like dummies, suddenly realising that a jolly outing had become serious.

And then Trump tells they were great and should go home.

This is all just ridiculous.

The "deplorables" were used and manipulated. Overall, they are a pathetic bunch, desperate enough to put their faith in a snake-oil salesman and now they all in the frame for treason and sedition, which carries a death sentence, because they followed Trump! Will Trump secure immunity for them before leaving office? You can be certain he won't give them a second thought. (Trump won't help Snowden or Assange either, but is much more likely to pardon Maxwell [the "she has suffered enough" groundwork has already been laid]).

We are asked to believe that not a single agency of the US Government, any part of the US bureaucracy, or any of his appointments actually really supported Trump. He could have told the American people this at any time in his term, instead he just "reluctantly" acquiesced and did what he didn't want to do. This is just completely unbelievable.

I really don't think that it is appropriate to be talking about "sitting back" and stuffing your face with "popcorn". This is almost certainly not China's revenge or the US elite tearing themselves apart, but, much more likely the introduction of a different "system" which will only benefit the elite and be very much detrimental to ordinary Americans and, possibly, the whole of the West.

Trump is now promoting the idea of campaigning for the next four years and standing in 2024 (Christ, he'll be 78). The parallels with Bernie greatly letting his supporters down in 2016, setting up "Our Rollover" to prepare to run an "insurgency" campaign in 2020 and then letting his supporters down all over again (but not after milking them for every cent he could) doesn't pass me by.

I visited America in the '90s and they were the most sincerely nicest, non-judgement, well-meaning, professional and efficient people I have ever met. In less than 30 years they have been misled, used, abused and are unrecognisable to the people they were then. Americans need to find a different way based on unity, liberty, equality and economic justice; I am not optimistic.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 7 2021 17:34 utc | 149

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 16:33 utc | 126

"Nobody questions that mutations exist, the question is whether you can mutate from a single cell to a human being through random mutations. "

Yes this was one of Gould's objections to "gradualism". The point I am making is that you can challenge the theoretical mechanism of evolution, but not the obvious fact of evolution. Different species are created through adaptive radiation. This is what Darwin demonstrated with finches on Galapagos, among other things. Isolate a species from others of species for a long enough time and it wil develop into another species simply due to the niche pressures of the changing environment is isolated in. This, of course, doesn't happen over night, even with Gould's theory.

Anyway, I do not know the particular case of dismissal you cite, but will take a look when I have time. Personally, if an academic has obtained a position with legitimate credentials in a field, that person should have the freedom to introduce new ideas and defend them in debate and reasoned argument.

I was not really disagreeing with you on climate change. I was pointing out that it is reasonable to debate the extent of human responsibility for the little warming that has occurred since the beginning of the "Industrail age".

And I am aware that not all hydrocarbons are necessarily derived from "fossil" fuels (the common attack on meat eaters is that cattle produce to much if it contributing to Global warming). But we mostly burn genuine "fossil" fuel hydrocarbons as energy, not cow patties bad attempt at humor, I know).

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jan 7 2021 17:41 utc | 150

Paco @ 131 - thank you! For your information, I paint icons, and anything connected with Novgorod is especially meaningful to me. The restoration of old churches, and indeed of the traditions of Orthodoxy which small churches abroad have continued to uphold while Russia was under Communism is a fascinating subject. Some years ago, Russian iconographers came to the US, and it was the final Sunday of Easter that I met them, giving the traditional Easter greeting, which they did not return. When I asked why not,they said they only gave it on Easter night itself -- so I realized that my little church was more completely founded in that tradition, here in the US, than they had yet become. But they are getting there!

bevin @116, I would like to add to your statement here:

"...the reality is that we live in a capitalist empire dominated by the determination of the exploiting class to protect its system from the threat, long understood but only ever realised episodically, of democracy. Of equality. Of liberty and treating each other as the siblings, parents and children that we all are..."

This, and other such ideas are founded on TINA. I would reverse your concept and say that the reality is that we live, really live, in communities very much focussed on treating each other as the siblings, parents and children that we all are. The threat of the exploiting class is a constant one that will arise whenever such trusting and vibrant communities are invaded by those (and we here expose them) seeking to use violence to gain power. But it is not inevitable that they will win. I use Portland as my example. It is not inevitable that they will win.

Troparion for Christmas Day

Today the Virgin gives birth to the transcendent One
And the Earth offers a cave to the unapproachable One
Angels and shepherds glorify him
The wise men journey with the Star
Since for our sakes the eternal God was born
As a little child.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2021 17:41 utc | 151

Arch Bungle @127

Enjoyed your post and indeed imitates art!

That funny video was just what I needed. And perfect segue for me to turn off the screen and go enjoy the outdoors! It's good for us all to keep humor and the beauty of nature in our lives through all that's happening.


Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 7 2021 17:42 utc | 152

This is an astonishing display of power by Big Tech

The shocking events of the last 24 hours clearly demonstrate that President Donald Trump intends to use his remaining time in office to undermine the peaceful and lawful transition of power to his elected successor, Joe Biden.

His decision to use his platform to condone rather than condemn the actions of his supporters at the Capitol building has rightly disturbed people in the US and around the world. We removed these statements yesterday because we judged that their effect -- and likely their intent -- would be to provoke further violence.

Following the certification of the election results by Congress, the priority for the whole country must now be to ensure that the remaining 13 days and the days after inauguration pass peacefully and in accordance with established democratic norms.

Over the last several years, we have allowed President Trump to use our platform consistent with our own rules, at times removing content or labeling his posts when they violate our policies. We did this because we believe that the public has a right to the broadest possible access to political speech, even controversial speech. But the current context is now fundamentally different, involving use of our platform to incite violent insurrection against a democratically elected government.

We believe the risks of allowing the President to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great. Therefore, we are extending the block we have placed on his Facebook and Instagram accounts indefinitely and for at least the next two weeks until the peaceful transition of power is complete.

Mark Zuckerberg

Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2021 17:44 utc | 153

ADKC #148
You make some good points.
But your generous use of the word "deplorables" while never mentioning Hitlary or the DNC (nor Biden)
does cast a shadow of doubt if you are really trying to do a truly impartial analysis.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 17:45 utc | 154

World Wrestling Entertainment

Trump is a known World Wrestling Entertainment fan and friend of WWE owner Vince McMahon. He has hosted two WrestleMania events in the Trump Plaza and has been an active participant in several of the shows. Trump's Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City was host to the 1991 WBF Championship (which was owned by WWE, known at the time as the "World Wrestling Federation."). Trump was interviewed by Jesse Ventura at ringside during WrestleMania XX. He also appeared at WrestleMania 23 in the corner of Bobby Lashley who competed against Umaga with WWE Chairman McMahon in his corner, in a "Hair vs. Hair" match, with either Trump or McMahon having their head shaved if their competitor lost. Lashley won the match, and along with special guest referee Stone Cold Steve Austin, he and Trump both proceeded to shave McMahon bald.

On June 15, 2009, as part of a storyline, McMahon announced on Monday Night Raw that he had 'sold' the show to Donald Trump. Appearing on screen, Trump confirmed it and declared he would be at the following commercial-free episode in person and would give a full refund to the people who purchased tickets to the arena for that night's show in the amount of $235,000. McMahon "bought back" Raw on June 22, 2009. His entrance theme "Money, Money" was written by Jim Johnston.

Trump was inducted into the celebrity wing of the WWE Hall of Fame in 2013 at Madison Square Garden due to his contributions to the promotion. He made his fifth Wrestlemania appearance the next night.

Trump was inducted into the Celebrity Wing of the WWE Hall of Fame in 2013.

Posted by: Lurk | Jan 7 2021 17:47 utc | 155

"Washington, D.C., today resembles an Eastern European capital where a color revolution is unfolding."

Specifically, it resembles the "revolution of the roses" in Tbilisi, Georgia, 2003.

Only there newly elected (presumably via electoral fraud) president Shevardnadze resigned.

Here, tsk, it seems extremely unlikely...

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 7 2021 17:48 utc | 156

William Gruff @57--

Outstanding discourse analysis!!

Stonebird @132--

Excellent catches!!

The wife mentioned the vast difference in how the Capitol building was protected during the BLM protest and yesterday--Heavily armed robocops cordoned off the entire perimeter of the building for BLM yet nothing like that yesterday despite knowing the crowd would be massive and very agitated.

The two of you combine to show this was a scripted event. What we need to see is continuous video from the very early morning to track the assembling of the actors who would need to be emplaced well before the arrival of the unsuspecting, genuine protesters.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2021 17:56 utc | 157

Down South @152

Now we are getting to see who the real masters are in America; where the real power lies. It never was the President.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 7 2021 18:00 utc | 158


@expat | Jan 7 2021 12:59 utc | 63
I mean, how many times do they have to say things like "totally unproven" and "unsubstantiated" in every sentence before people start to think that they're being treated like idiots?

Do not underestimate the understanding of psychology by these psychopaths. When something is thrown in your face multiple times per day from an "authority" such as Twitter (their authority ranks higher than the US President now), you will start to believe it unless you are trained to withstand such mental abuse. Most people will quickly take such false assertions as the truth. That is why they are doing it.

-Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 14:23 utc | 98

Hear, hear!

Another mockingbird media trope that keeps getting repeated and drilled into this thread is that "Trump incited/encouraged violence at the rally'

If you go and read through Trumps 75 min speech at the rally yesterday,

you will see it is a quite detailed, specific and credible overview of the strong case of evidence for massive coordinated coup, by election fraud, carried out by a faction of government insiders, that our totally broken/compromised "fair" judiciary system was cowed/intimidated by, into hiding under their chairs, plugging their ears [la-la-la-la...I can't hear you Trump!] and fearing to open up and expose to sunlight.

Is it *incitement* to pull the fire alarm in a theater if one is absolutely convinced from the totality of evidence, that there is truly a raging deadly fire underway in the building?

The other mockingbird media trope that keeps getting aired here:

Trump to blame for the 'cops beating on and brutalizing the lower/poorer rungs of US society'

--needless to say this a problem that has been going on since the country's formation.

All cops do the bidding of the power structure (or they soon get weeded out; see Jimmy Dore[comes from a family of cops]'s rants about cops), and ultimately, our Borg Overlords (AKA Aliens and 5G lizard people, according to narratives tossed against the wall by our FBI and MSM recently).

But one must not conflate the garden variety local/universal cop brutalizers and bullies [we've all run into at some point] who the system allows to take advantage of their positions of authority,

with the upper echelon Federal cops and enforcers (prosecutors, 3-letter agency police/intel operatives) who have been working constantly to destroy Trump from the day he became a threat to the Overlords' control of *their* System.

We should all seen through the obscuring soporific propaganda haze of Official BS by now, and recognize the standard toolbox used by the upper echelon of US Fed *cops* to control the Borg's subjects and enemies: *Total* immersion propaganda/surveillance, bribery, blackmail most foul, set-ups, frame-ups, False-flags, evidence creation/destruction, patsies, assassinations, and all manner of wet work when the occasion calls for it.

Such is the red-pill of reality in America now, in the past, and going forward [bigtime].

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 18:03 utc | 159

i can't say clinton would have been any better.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 13:56 utc | 84

Ay, there's the rub. A choice of cancer of polio, as the song says...

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 7 2021 18:09 utc | 160

Thank you, michael @ 133, and to you also! The reason I have no problems with enlightenment principles is that I take Christ's words to Pilate as truth - that there is a distinction between earthly government principles and the way of the spirit, though the best practises of good government truly align best with heavenly will. The heavenly kingdom is within hearts, but practical considerations govern earthly matters and we have been gifted with the intelligence needed to govern wisely, whatever spiritual paths we follow. I love that line in the troparion I quoted: '...the earth offers a cave...'. That to me is a foundational concept for all governments, and the ones that care for their people are good governments. On earth peace, and goodwill to all! Even the earth has this caring and receptive purpose for all living things.

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2021 18:12 utc | 161

@132 stonebird

Wow, the police unbuttoned a useless barricade. Look behind the police: already a couple of petite MAGA ladies are sipping their starbucks well behind the "police lines."

Thus is a cherry-picked juxtaposition.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2021 18:23 utc | 162

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2021 18:12 utc | 160

Is it translated from Russian the Troparion you mention?
If you paint Icons you must have seen one of the greatest films of all time, Andrey Rublev.

Here the wisemen followed the star and arrived, the holidays are over.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 7 2021 18:25 utc | 163

Now that Trump has been made to heel by the outrage over the mob action at the Capitol and promised an orderly transition of power, we can get on with moving forward with more of the same business as usual as far the eye can see.

I understand many here, either ironically or horrifically - truly believe Trump is some kind of hero, and certainly his movement, like Sanders' 'movement' transcends the man in its quest to bring down Establishment power, and preserve racial purity, but the Cult leader himself is batshit crazy, along with his older spawn.

So while we continue our sail into the abyss of profit and usury, at least now we won't have Trump to kick us around anymore.

Posted by: gottlieb | Jan 7 2021 18:27 utc | 164

This Global Times editorial was linked to in an earlier comment but without any meaningful commentary on its content, which is sorely demanded. Lets look at this paragraph and the segments I've bolded:

"The unprecedented mob in the Capitol, a symbol of the US system, is the result of the US society's severe division and the country's failure to control such division. Trump refused to admit defeat after losing the election, which resonated with a large number of his supporters. This has made many Republican senators dare not publicly oppose Trump's position. The Republican Party has been hesitating between whether to support the Constitution or defend its president."

First, the size of the protest wasn't at all "unprecedented." Second, the "division" is the deliberate product of the Elite's method of maintaining control--Divide and Rule--and there's no "failure" but unmitigated success. Third, neither the Ds or Rs "support the Constitution" since they constantly violate it and thus are in breach of their oath of office.

While there're some reasonable observations of the Outlaw US Empire's dysfunctional political system that I agree with, it's abundantly clear the writer lacks a deep understanding of the Empire's realities, which is also shared by the great majority of US citizens. We're beyond the need for mere reform; what's required is a complete overhaul and rebuilding, but that won't be possible until a critical mass of the public learns of their realities--not what they're told are their realities.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2021 18:28 utc | 165

Louis N. Proyect@88 "Pelosi wasn't referring to the occupation of the Hong Kong legislature. You link to an article that does not even mention that. I understand that you people worship at the altar of the 'Communist' Party in China but really..."

The post defends Trump as a peacemaker, against charges he incited violence. It is neutral on the crazed claims of a stolen election. It refers to something called a "blue tick monopoly," which seems to be an insult meant to justify claims of a stolen election.

But what ticks off Proyect is a link which is not directly about the demonstrators trashing the Legislative Council offices in Hong Kong. (Which by the way, they did...and even though the link doesn't directly allude to this, only a fool or a shameless liar would dare to accuse Pelosi of disapproving the trashing of the Hong Kong legislative offices.) Defending Trump isn't offensive to Proyect but getting in an anti-Communist dig is. You know someone by what they oppose, and opposing b for sneering at Pelosi says it all. Proyect is contemptible. Every time I see Proyect it makes me wonder if all Trotskyites have always been fake-left wreckers and class traitors.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 7 2021 18:31 utc | 166

It is likely that the great majority who walked from Trump's speech to the Capitol did so with no malign intent. There were those among them who had other ideas. It is easy in the absence of any evidence to say, "Oh. they weren't our guys." The woman who was shot was climbing through a broken window.

It was crude. It was ugly. It was giving the finger to the powers that be and doing so based on the words of a person who was claiming the election was rigged and would be stolen months before it occurred. He made similar claims about the Iowa primary in 2016. DJT sees winning as strong and losing as weak and it was drummed into him from and early age that he could never be a weak or a loser and be respected.

But he lost the election. He refuses to concede that he did so. So what?

Posted by: John | Jan 7 2021 18:36 utc | 167

"It is neutral on the crazed claims of a stolen election."

What's so "crazed" about the claims of a stolen election? Some of them sound quite plausible.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 7 2021 18:36 utc | 168

Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 14:28 utc | 100

@vk | Jan 7 2021 13:57 utc | 87
I thought "Karen" was a term to designate an adult Female Westerner who was hysterically against lockdowns, which put them into the right-wing, not the left-wing.

You are wrong, as usual.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 7 2021 18:38 utc | 169

@ karlof1 | Jan 7 2021 18:28 utc | 164

But what if the majority wants to be told their realities?

That would be much worse than a mere usurpation by nefarious elites.

Posted by: Lurk | Jan 7 2021 18:41 utc | 170

Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 14:28 utc | 100

@vk | Jan 7 2021 13:57 utc | 87
I thought "Karen" was a term to designate an adult Female Westerner who was hysterically against lockdowns, which put them into the right-wing, not the left-wing.

You are wrong, as usual.

Try going to Duckduckgo and asking "What is a "Karen"? and you will find that vk is largely right, though I must admit that 'Lockdowns' as such, did not come into the definitions.

(Duplicate posting caused by "Sorry! You have take too much time reading before you posted a comment!" and the lack of an edit function.)

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 7 2021 18:41 utc | 171

If the United States saw what the United States was doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to free the United States from the tyranny of the United States.

Posted by: Mao | Jan 7 2021 18:43 utc | 172

Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 7 2021 18:36 utc | 167

What's so "crazed" about the claims of a stolen election? Some of them sound quite plausible.

Quite right! There is nothing crazy about such claims. In fact, the MSM quite give the game away by starting each piece about the claims, by assuring the reader or listener that they themselves, do not for a moment, give these claims any credence. (Perish the thought!) And they never describe the evidence supporting these claims. Likewise, the courts all refusing to hear the cases that Trump and his supporters have brought, is another "dead give-away" that these claims might convince people, were they but heard.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Jan 7 2021 18:52 utc | 173

@Blue Dotterel | Jan 7 2021 17:41 utc | 150
Thank you for your reasoned arguments.

The point I am making is that you can challenge the theoretical mechanism of evolution, but not the obvious fact of evolution.
In a way that is my point, namely that some topics are taboo. In science, there is no such things as obvious facts. Every proponent of a theory must be willing to defend it, and if you are correct it should be easy to do. Simply declaring that something in science is an obvious fact without willingness to listen to counterarguments is creating a dogma. My main point is not to claim no form of evolution exist (it does), but the fact that if you say there is something wrong with the theory you will lose your job and your livelihood, just like in medieval times. This happens when you challenge power whether it is about science, politics or anything else.

On Gradualism: If you claim gradualism is an obvious fact, I disagree because the physical evidence tells a different story. Gradualism is also being challenged in a different field, namely in US geology as explained by for example Randall Carlson who presents a compelling case that the US geologic landscape is defined more through catastrophic events than through gradualism, I recommend his podcasts (he also gives examples of scientists being shunned for 100 years for having such a view). This also directly affects biologic life, note the rapid destruction of the North American megafauna 12900 years ago. Animal life before and after that event is radically different. There have been many such events over millions of years, but the event 12900 years ago was virtually yesterday compared to the other ones.

Personally, if an academic has obtained a position with legitimate credentials in a field, that person should have the freedom to introduce new ideas and defend them in debate and reasoned argument.
Yes, but that is where the trouble starts. This is appealing to authority. Anyone, without any "credentials", should have the freedom to introduce new ideas and defend them in debate and reasoned argument. If the arguments fail, it does not matter what kind of "credentials" you have or not. "credentials" is just a kind of gatekeeping that makes it possible to say that "anyone with such ideas are obviously wrong so and will lose their income".

The recurring theme is challenging authority is dangerous. The current topic of the US election is a case where the authority vehemently refuses to adress very important questions about the legitimacy of the presidential election, when at the same time millions of people believe there was massive fraud. If the answer is "obviously not", the right thing would be to conduct an open and transparent investigation and it should be easy to do so since everything was just fine. Instead we get the opposite reaction. At best this is the most stupid decision of a century, since millions will not accept it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 18:54 utc | 174

@162 addendum

My mistake. These are maga-types. Probably wasn't starbucks these ladies were sipping but more likely Hardee's.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2021 19:02 utc | 175

"Karl Sharro
'But you said the president is in charge of coups, instability and strife'
'we meant abroad, Mr President, not here'"

Posted by: arby | Jan 7 2021 19:03 utc | 176

Lurk @169--

Currently, both the majority and minority are told what constitutes their realities despite their own genuine experiences. Blind adherence to The Narrative must cease. Do note that the vast majority of voters picked the Duopoly candidate--for despite all appearances, Trump is part of the Duopoly and has the same masters as Biden. Barely 3 million of the 158 million voters didn't vote for the Duopoly, while roughly 80 million eligible voters abstained. We might infer that @83 million citizens understand reality out of a population of @340 million, so lets be really generous and say 25% are no longer fooled. But since they refuse to participate, they can't be counted on to form part of the critical mass. And yes, there're many assumptions in the above.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2021 19:09 utc | 177

Julian Assange stood up to the 'Globalist Elites'. They have destroyed him.

Trump stood up to the 'Globalist Elites'. Trump now faces the same fate as Assange.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jan 7 2021 19:12 utc | 178

Karen... What's a Karen? Well this one wants her money back! Do you miss this accent Juliana?

Posted by: tucenz | Jan 7 2021 19:13 utc | 179

Actually, Paco @ 163, this is still close to Epiphany or Twelfth Night, which western Christianity celebrates as the coming of the Magi or Wise Men. The troparion, as even for Russians, is translated from the Greek, so in Slavonic would be very much the same, Slavonic being for Russians very like Old English for English speakers. The Old Julian calendar, which my little church followed, slips back behind the Gregorian calendar now by 13 days, as it is not as astronomically accurate. But then, neither is the story of the days of Creation in Genesis -- to me it is spiritually accurate, and I love having a quieter Christmas than the commercialized one. Many church holidays have been wrecked by commercial interests, or claimed to have pagan roots or whatever. I like the road less traveled by ;)

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2021 19:19 utc | 180

William Gruff et al--

This article contains many responses from foreign media and personalities that mesh seamlessly to BigLie Media Narrative:

"Fowdy said that there is a noticeable contrast in discourse as to how the two events are portrayed in Hong Kong and in the US. When rioters stormed the HK LegCo, it was heralded as an act of brave rebellion by "pro-democracy" protesters, but when Trump supporters stormed the US capitol building it was described by the BBC as a 'violent, pro-Trump mob.'" [My Emphasis]

IMO, the Chinese public's reactions were honest and rational. And so Trump's Showtime closes on yet another revealing note: Having torn the façade away from the genuine nature of the Outlaw US Empire, he now does the same within the Empire to our supposed superior mode of governance. To be sure, that sort of analysis won't be published in any "regular" media, IMO it's clearly the genuine outcome of his tenure. And there'll be no way to sweep his affects under the rug.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2021 19:24 utc | 181

Donald Trump is stupid , racist , con man and divider .he is not of presidential style.
He does an illegal international acts as well as war crimes acts .
He should be thrown out of the office of president.
He did not pay taxes , he charge the government fees for his security team , his follower are as stupid and dum as he is , may be worse to support him and sending him money .
His followers are racists , believe that other people do not deserve to get as high as them, but the face of the US is changing , black , Asians and others understand what is going on and they will change the face of the US like it or not .

Posted by: Bobb | Jan 7 2021 19:34 utc | 182

In matters of science and law, the opinions and decisions of scientists and lawyers have some weight. And unlike intelligence agents and bosses, sacrificing their guts for the country as they pull stuff out of their asses (do not try it yourself! years of training are required), scientists and judges are paid to fight in information warfare.

Thus I view the uniform failure of Trumpian legal efforts to have considerable weight.

Concerning the poor woman, she was quite energetic in trespassing and disobeying instructions of police. While using a taser first etc. would be my preference, this is "second guessing", Trump himself is on record approving life fire in response to a mob damaging property. A policeman seeing a harpy that seems fit as a fiddle -- unlike the bulk of cops on the scene -- is excused fearing for his life.

Note to new leaders of Washington cops: invite a large, competent delegation (not bankers or diplomats) from Belarus and organize thorough changes.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 7 2021 19:34 utc | 183

scientists and judges are NOT paid to fight in information warfare. Typo. Footnote: experts remaining on OPWC payroll are an obvious exception, so my statement is not absolute.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 7 2021 19:37 utc | 184

dh-mtl @Jan7 19:12 #178

Trump now faces the same fate as Assange.

The absurdity of this comment helps to reveal the farce.

Trump has done everything that "the elites" would've wanted him to. And Biden is almost certain to continue with much of Trump policies - especially wrt Foreign Affairs.

Oh, and where's that pardon for Assange that Trump apologists have pretended is on offer?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 7 2021 19:39 utc | 185

J Swift | Jan 7 2021 17:11 utc | 143

Look at where the money has been spent and political capital - all the way up to Lying & Dishonor - been squandered.

That would be the war against Islam - just the cost of US intervention in Syria from 2016 to 2018 has been 50 billion USD.

Posted by: fyi | Jan 7 2021 19:57 utc | 186

b, I am disapointed in you. Trump clearly instigated violence. Look at the time líne. IMHO he should be removed from Office as mentally incompetente (Covid aftereffects) and put in an orange jumpsuit for two weeks in the county lockup on a civil misdemenor charge leaving dufuss Pensé in charge. The pity is that Trump is neither the problema nor the solution. Now that the Ds have the senate, ol Joe Will have to put Up or shut Up. Maybe this will be a wakeup call for the Ds but I doubt It.

Posted by: c | Jan 7 2021 20:01 utc | 187

Quoting from that *Fabulous* D. Orlov link that wonderful kind person posted upthread :

[and be sure to click/watch the Harry Belafonte "Matilda" /link/number within the Orlov piece ]

Our other major success of this past year has been in installing Kamala Harris, a fellow-Satanist code-named "Matilda," as the leader of the free world. Like virtually all of His Satanic Majesty's maidservants, Kamala is barren, or, if you prefer, "child-free." To be fruitful and multiply requires God's grace and, needless to say, God is not exactly on our side. By the way, this is why we are always looking for new blood, preferably the blood of Christian children. It helps our members remain active to an obscenely old age. Henry Kissinger and George Soros have had their fill. Joe Biden is waiting for his transfusion now. [Laughter]

Installing "Matilda" (her code name immortalized by her Jamaican compatriot Harry Belafonte) has been a gargantuan task for our members and their allies and minions in the Democratic Party and the Deep State. But it all worked out thanks to the wonderful US public education system. It has produced several generations of Americans who can barely count on their fingers and toes. Were they able to do basic arithmetic, they would have spotted the problem: 74 million votes for Trump plus 81 million votes for Biden gives us 155 million votes total. But there were only 153 million registered voters just two years ago, so that's 101% voter turn-out. And then 160 million are said to have voted, so that's 104.5% turn-out! Compare that to 55.7% turn-out in the 2016 election. [Furrowed brows, nervously twitching fingers and toes]

There is no way to make the numbers make any sense. Since 2016 the US population grew by just under 8 million. Optimistically assuming half of them became eligible to vote; that would add 4 million to the rolls. Optimistically assuming all of them actually registered to vote, that would only make 157 million. Accept the reported stunning voter turn-out number for 2020 of 66.7%. That's just under 105 million votes total—nowhere near then 160 million number that has been reported. If Trump got 74 million votes, as reported, then just 31 million votes would be the theoretical maximum for Biden—less then half as many as for Trump. [Stunned silence]

So how could Biden and Harris have won? Easy! The same way it was possible to knock down three New York skyscrapers using two airplanes on 9/11. If the people haven't been taught to count, you can get them to believe just about anything! [Laughter, applause]

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 20:03 utc | 188

Mao Cheng Ji@168 "What's so 'crazed' about the claims of a stolen election? Some of them sound quite plausible."

The people who can steal an election are the people who count the votes. There were Republicans counting votes in all the states, including Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, all states with a significant Republican presence. Further, there aren't just one set of vote counters, but fifty plus. The notion the presidential ballot was fixed in, say, Georgia, is implausible because the people who would have fixed the ballot would have made Warnock and Ossoff the new senators back in November, not Tuesday this week. No, it is not plausible that the election was stolen.

Your co-thinker, foolisholdman@173 explains your idea of plausibility with this logic: "Likewise, the courts all refusing to hear the cases that Trump and his supporters have brought, is another 'dead give-away' that these claims might convince people, were they but heard." Courts don't work like that. They have to have a record of evidence offered. The problem with the suits is, the plaintiffs, people like Mao Cheng Ji and foolisholdman and Trumpers everyone of them, *didn't have any evidence to put into record.* It is legally required for suits without evidence to be dismissed which is precisely why so many Republic(NOT A DEMOCRACY!) judges joined Democrats in dismissing the meritless cases.

Thus, a phony neutrality on claims of mass fraud is a false equivalence, a kind of lying, an unearned concession to Trump in defiance of truth and honor. It's why Trump's statement to the rioters was not a peace-making gesture. If there was true merit to the charges, then their presence in the halls of power really would have been a brave stand on principle. Intensity of belief is not a measure of truth. No doubt there were people in lynch mobs who really believed murdering someone was necessary to preserve their way of life, keep the peace and carry out justice. Sincerity is the cheapest virtue, purchased with the small change of self-deceit.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 7 2021 20:09 utc | 189

The following is semi-OT. It's an email I just sent to the editor of China's Global Times in response to the many items they've published about yesterday's event in DC:

Dear Mr. Hu Xijin:

I first must thank you for your many editorials and for the overall content of Global Times as they've certainly facilitated my ongoing education of China.

I'm a retired educator and student/historian of the US Empire and as such know some truths the vast majority are unaware of despite their being easily discovered. I have my own term for my nation: The Outlaw US Empire. It's been an international and domestic outlaw since October 22, 1945, the day the UN Charter became legally operational. Why this is so is due to what our Constitution says about how ratified treaties are to be incorporated into our national system of laws, of which the Constitution serves as foundation. The specific aspect within the Constitution is known as the Supremacy Clause:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

"[A]ll Treaties made … shall be the supreme Law of the Land" is the segment that's been violated since the date noted above for the UN Charter specifically states nations are NOT to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations. Prior to and after 22 October 1945, the USA had sent former Nazi personnel into the Russian controlled regions of Europe to commit acts of terrorism and to generally interfere in the governance of those nations within the region. And that behavior has continued to this day. Every member of the US government, its armed forces, and a great many others swear an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution from ALL enemies both foreign and Domestic. Thus wittingly or not, every member of the US government since 22 October 1945 is in violation of their own oath and a great many laws were passed that are unconstitutional because they violate the UN Charter and thus the Constitution. I've made this point clear to my elected representatives but have been ignored to this point.

What I've described above is the genuine crisis within the Outlaw US Empire--not Trump's unacceptance of the election or the demonstrators. Of course, you're free to do your own perusal of the UN Charter and the US Constitution, but you'll come to the same conclusion because these facts can't lie. What you subsequently do with this information is at your discretion. It's my hope you'll share it with the world as it's a truth that's begging to be known--and must become known if the UN System is to ever be properly reformed. For my part, I'll publish this email at the Moon of Alabama geopolitical blog where I write as karlof1 and at my VK space where I publish under my real name.


The reality is what's transpired should come as no surprise to the few of us who know we live within an outlaw nation run by a criminal elite for their own benefit. Will the information I provided get published? For the good of the world, I certainly hope so.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 7 2021 20:12 utc | 190

Jackrabbit #185
>>dh-mtl: Trump now faces the same fate as Assange.

>The absurdity of this comment helps to reveal the farce.
>Trump has done everything that "the elites" would've wanted him to.

Oh, that's the reason the MSM attacked him for 4 years!
Thanks for clearing that up.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 20:12 utc | 191

Posted by: juliania | Jan 7 2021 19:19 utc | 180

Definitely you are lucky to celebrate after the commercial climax that every celebration has become, plus the new inventions like black fridays and all sorts of consume pyres.

I was curious about the origin since cave could mean shelter figuratively.

If you have not seen that film you should, it is online in the Mosfilm section of youTube, with english subtitles. And yes, secondary roads are the good ones.

Posted by: Paco | Jan 7 2021 20:13 utc | 192

gm needs to demonstrate that D. Orlov isn't making fun of gm and b and the usual suspects here. If Orlov is laughing all the way to the bank, the Fabulous one is laughing at people who are hypnotized by made-up numbers. Who could be so stupid as to sincerely think the number of registered voters can only be increased by population growth. People who of any age can register, especially if motivated by a ferocious political campaign.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 7 2021 20:17 utc | 193

foolisholdman #171
>Try going to Duckduckgo and asking "What is a "Karen"? and you will find that vk is largely right, though I must admit that 'Lockdowns' as such, did not come into the definitions.

Nothing against DuckDuckGo, but maybe you should look past the first five results.
An AFAIK still pretty politically incorrect, and therefore non-censored website for slang terms would be

But to give the clearest explanation:
a "Karen" is a person half driven by entitlement, and half by showing off her victim status.

While the entitlement is present on both sides of the (crude) political spectrum, the Victimhood role is obviously overwhelmingly a left-wing thingy.
Therefore, vk is clueless and Norwegian is correct.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 20:20 utc | 194

juliania #161
привет Юлиания (I'm learning Russian)
Let me just state two key quotes which relate to today's situation and the role of Enlightenment:

To Del Noce, the key to a totalitarian society is the denial of the universality of reason. [This is actually also the denial of Platonism.]

In every totalitarian system what starts as persecution of religion will mutate into persecution of reason. Why? Because religion is the openness to ultimate reason.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 20:28 utc | 195

b is a deep state shill
that is obvious since his censorhsip of covid critics
rest assured central bank controlled slavery won't happen because the great resetters are way too self assured

Posted by: Christoph | Jan 7 2021 20:30 utc | 196

A lot of butt hurt cognitive dissonance from the right wing here at the moment ! You guys got issues.

Fascinating but only for about 5mins

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 7 2021 20:40 utc | 197

Of course, these are incidents that are applauded elsewhere. Of course, an epiphany of mendacity is taking place. But defending Tronald with the argument that he did not incite violence is also part of it. That is pure sophism. Since when do fascists have anything against violence?

The question is and remains, will Tronald start the war against Iran, then declare martial law? For him, it is now a question of whether or not he will spend most of the rest of his life in a (luxury) cell.

Posted by: pnyx | Jan 7 2021 20:41 utc | 198

Honestly, give me a break. This was a terrible violation of something almost all Americans hold dear. The complaints I have heard about the election are all bogus. Last night Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania cleanly disposed of the challenge to the Pennsylvania votes, supposedly the most serious of all the challenges, in four minutes. You can contrast Sen. Josh Hawley's objection and Casey's response here

It's OK, MOA, everybody has a clinker now and then.

Posted by: Offtrail | Jan 7 2021 20:42 utc | 199

@57 William Gruff

How do you explain the inconvenient fact that Trump is a Zionist Fascist?

Disturbing how you fudge the truth. It's a good thing you won't have Ziofascist Trump to help you further blur what Trump was really about and where he was taking the country.


That image is why Trump or his spawn should never again be allowed near the levers of power.

Let's be clear, Trump represented absolute, white entitled power and subjugation and oppression of minorities.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 7 2021 20:54 utc | 200

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