Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 07, 2021

Leaving In Style

Trump's supporters are taking care that their president can leave in style.


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U.S. foreign policy has come home to bite. Does anyone still remember when the Twitter blue ticks lauded this 'peaceful' 'pro-democracy' action?


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Speaker of the House Nanci Pelosi once said of the protests in Hong Kong: "It is a beautiful sight to behold."

teleSUR English @telesurenglish - 22:20 UTC · Jan 6, 2021
See any similarities? Images from Juan Guaidó's attempt to storm Venezuela's National Assembly and today's pro-Trump mobs occupying the U.S. Capitol building, just one year apart.

This ITV footage of average Americans storming their Capitol is truly extraordinary. These people are true believers who strongly feel that they have been wronged.

Ruslan Moldovanov @Revolov - 00:50 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Washington, D.C., today resembles an Eastern European capital where a color revolution is unfolding.
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The same very vibes

Some Capitol guests were violent but those may well have been saboteurs:

DR JANE’S DC 2.0 - @DrJaneRuby - 4:11 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Trump supporters physically stopped Antifa rioter from trying to break window at Capitol building.
They were trying to call them out
pic.twitter.com/JKr2bKm9ax

Who by the way knew that members of Congress have gas masks under their seats?

Tear gas was deployed in the Capitol rotunda, so the order came down for lawmakers to ready gas masks that are stored under their seats. Allred helped some his colleagues take out their masks as Arizona Rep. Ruben Gallego, a Marine Corps veteran, provided instruction.

“When you put your mask on, breathe slowly or you’ll hyperventilate,” Gallego said, according to Allred.

There surely is a lot of hyperventilating right now. Trump is accused of inciting violence.

It doesn't read like that. In fact Trump spoke out against violence and called on the people to leave peacefully only to get censored by the blue tick monopoly:

Protesters, who were seen fighting with officers both inside the building and outside, were described as "special people" by President Donald Trump, who responded to calls to condemn the violence.

In a video address shared on Twitter, he urged his supporters to "go home" but repeated an unsubstantiated claim that the election was "stolen".

He said: "I know your pain, I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us, it was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side.

"But you have to go home now, we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt."

He described it as a "tough period of time", and repeated false claims that the November's election was "fraudulent".

He ended the video message by calling the protesters "very special", adding: "We can’t play into the hands of these people.

"We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special."

Twitter disabled the video from being liked or retweeted "due to a risk of violence". It was later deleted.

Explain to me how the above quotes are risking violence or a breach of 'civic integrity'? What, please, is that?

Twitter Safety @TwitterSafety - 0:02 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Replying to @TwitterSafety
Future violations of the Twitter Rules, including our Civic Integrity or Violent Threats policies, will result in permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account.

During the brawl a Capitol Police officer shot an unarmed woman. She was a pro-Trump veteran. Trump and his supporters will unreasonably be blamed for that.

Alastair Crooke has called this America's epiphany moment:

The blanketing canopy pressing down across the globe of TINA (there is no alternative) is rupturing. The fabric is tearing at the seams. Now, with the U.S. courts having abdicated their role in adjudicating suits in connection with the 3rd November election, it seems that President Trump will make a last effort to change the course of events between 6–20 January (inauguration day). At point of writing, some 140 Republican Representatives say they will challenge the outcome of certain elections on 6 January. Whether this challenge will succeed (in all its dimensions) is moot.

What then? Well, Red America – whether rightly or wrongly – sees that 20 January may prove to be ‘the end of the line’ for them. Eight out of ten Republicans believe the election stolen; that the crucial Georgia Senatorial race likely will be ‘stolen’ too; that the destruction of small and mid-sized businesses through lockdown was a premeditated strategy to further consolidate Big Business Oligarchs; and that ultimately Red Americans will face ‘cancellation’ by an incoming woke ‘soft-totalitarianism’, orchestrated by Big Tech. This is their perspective – their Epiphany revelation. It is, to say the least, bleak.
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Yes, many American (and western) myths about American identity and politics lie shattered on the ground. Many still are in a state of shock. They had imagined their elections as somehow sacrosanct. They had imagined the courts as arbitrators. And they never imagined to see a U.S. President ridiculed and humiliated so, by the MSM. Reality has arrived as a slap in the face.

And yes – TINA is over; a market for alternatives is now open for business.
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But much more than this, the tear to that oppressive TINA canopy allows other civilisational-states assertively to reject criticisms, or policies, which have been weaponised against their value-systems. If Red America can utterly reject woke values, and vice versa, then why should other civilisations not reject western Enlightenment values?

This has been coming for a while.

It will only intensify.

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Debsisdead #283

Well said. I doubt the 'middle class' will see through the fog of propaganda but here's hoping. Forming an alliance between middle class and the working class and 'deplorables' is what the indoctrination of the past decade has set out to obstruct. The theatrics at the Capitol this week is part of that obstruction.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 10:52 utc | 301

@Mao Cheng Ji #298

Can you please provide a link with details?

Posted by: S | Jan 8 2021 10:53 utc | 302

Bemildred #290

Thank you for that Sputnik link. I guess that as they did not prosecute Debbie Wasserman Shultz or the the Awan family spy and blackmail ring, then they wont bother with the house invaders and a missing laptop. Its always a laptop :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 11:03 utc | 303

Ha ha ha are you guys still at it ?
Here have a tissue (Snigger)

This is worth a chuckle, check world stars tweet ——-
https://mobile.twitter.com/antifaintl

Have you people no self-respect ? Your looking like complete fools, And shaming your country.
Delusional !

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 8 2021 11:05 utc | 304

@Mao Cheng Ji

And how do you know all this? Did CNN tell you? In that case, is Donald Trump a secret agent of Russian G.R.U.?

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 10:26 utc | 295

What Trump need is one undeniable proof of voter fraud that involves massive US votes against him not just a little here and there.
I'm sure there's cheating done by both sides here and there respectively but i doubt their cases is big enough to overturned the outcome.

Also you don't need CNN to tell you that Trump policy during his terms is massive clusterfuck. We're not even mentioning a lot of his broken promises be it in employment, education, or foreign policy. You need to accept the fact that he's not more popular to Joe Biden at this point.

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2021 11:05 utc | 305

So far all that I have seen of this "mob" (were the rioters torching neighborhoods last years ever even once called "mobs"?) "storming" the Capitol building is a few video clips and some images of people walking and milling around. Are there any videos that show, well, you know, actual rioting? Or did Reuters forget their cameras again like they did when they saw Russians invading Ukraine?

Anyway, I am sure someone must have caught at least a few seconds of video of this "mob" being, well, mob-like. Could someone provide links to that video? You knew, just for completeness in this thread? Years from now readers might revisit this article and wonder what behavior this "mob" of "rioters" was exhibiting that earned those labels. The "torches and pitchforks" videos would educational for posterity.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 11:08 utc | 306

"What Trump need is one undeniable proof..."

There is no such thing as "undeniable proof" for a society steeped in denial.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 11:25 utc | 307

Well, that didn't take long.

Trump tells his dumber-than-rocks supporters that he “loves” them and urges them to take their anger to the Capitol building and face Congress directly.  He tells them “You’ll never take our country back with weakness, you have to show strength”.  He tells them to “fight like hell”.  He says he will go with them (but he doesn't). His attorney, Guiliani urges "trial by combat" at the same rally.  Don jr. has already warmed up the crowd by telling them to take on the Republican members of Congress who didn't back Trump: go in and let them know 'We're coming for you,' he tells the crowd.  

Then last night, Trump releases a video denouncing the entire action. Trump is now telling his cult that they were exhibiting “violence, lawlessness and mayhem” and had “defiled the seat of American democracy”.  He claims (lying) that he had immediately deployed the National Guard and other law enforcement to expel “the intruders”; i.e., the supporters whom he himself had directed to the Capitol.

Throwing them right under the bus, he is.

Even that sullen Slovenian slattern he married had sense enough to call her attorney and have her prenuptial agreement rewritten the last time Trump told her that he “loved” her.

Not sure his supporters will be that smart. Maybe the fact that the Dept. of Justice attorney in DC - this would be the Trump administration DoJ, by the way - is seeking to charge the 90 people who were arrested with federal rioting, insurrection and sedition will wake them up to the con.

Posted by: teri | Jan 8 2021 11:27 utc | 308

@ 304 "What Trump need is one undeniable proof of voter fraud that involves massive US votes against him not just a little here and there. "

What's "undeniable"? Everything is deniable. Or you have no standing. Or it doesn't change the outcome. Or, if it does, the requested remedy is too drastic. Or it's simply outrageous and doesn't deserve any attention.

@ 301

www.google.com/search?q=supreme+court+of+pennsylvania+signature

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 11:32 utc | 309

The dead air force veteran left a video before she died:

Ashli Babbitt - car video rant

The content of her rant is very interesting: she never mentions racial or conspiracy reasons for her marching. She explicitly mentions the economy: lack of jobs etc. etc.

Ideologies don't rise from nothingness. Humans are animals at heart. The economy (class struggle) is always the underlying factor, the ultimate and decisive factor.

The question is: how will the USA solve this class contradiction rising from economic decline of capitalism. If it will be by fascism (WWIII against China) or socialism (communist revolution); or if it will simply wither and collapse.

Posted by: vk | Jan 8 2021 11:35 utc | 310

William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 11:08 utc | 305

Back to school for these Deplorables. They really need to learn from the experts - BLM/Antifa - how to riot. They didn't even do the most basic thing, beating up innocent bystanders!

Posted by: EoinW | Jan 8 2021 11:50 utc | 311

I definitely sense a culture gap here with these protestors. I mean, that buffalo guy with the sign 'Q sent me'? I thought he was referring to Star Trek TNG! Weird mashup with the TOS style suit. It took me a moment to realize it was referring to the counterpart of BlueAnon.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jan 8 2021 11:59 utc | 312

William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 11:25 utc | 306

Undeniable proof? You nailed the problem right there. Certain people do not want to see any proof. Just like they don't want to see any evidence which disproves their cherished pandemic.

I used to think of these people as weekend political hacks. Meaning they'd ignore everything, wrapped up in their own lives, then take 5 minutes of free time to get up to speed on events and, naturally, become political experts. The idea they spend a limited amount of time was incorrect. It's really about clickbait. If the media can get their attention and hold it then they'll spend much longer. Trump was like the shiny silver toy you tangle in front of a cat. Thus they've had 4 years to really become experts, even though it's been 4 years of having their emotions manipulated by a dishonest media.

Consequently, they don't need any kind of proof. They've already been told to think there is no proof. Why would they want to disturb their comfort zone by questioning their media, or whatever authority they now worship.

Don't get me wrong, most of these people are decent human beings. I have long personal friendships with many of them. They live their lives peaceably and are dedicated to their family. However they've spent their entire lives focuses solely on their life and have ignored politics and world affairs. I wish they'd stick to what they know and not dabble into things they have no experience dealing with. People who are intellectually lazy should not think they can occasionally turn their brains on and magically know everything. Fact is: they know nothing.

Posted by: EoinW | Jan 8 2021 12:05 utc | 313

...yeah, and talking about the courts: there's actually no requirement, in the constitution, for a popular vote in presidential elections.

State legislature appoints the electors. That's it, and that's all there is to it.

And I reckon this might be a big reason why it's difficult to fight it in the courts system. Whatever the state does, if it doesn't involve discrimination by certain characteristics, is all fine and dandy.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 12:12 utc | 314

@309 vk The Exceptional Nation could go the same way as the British Empire - a decade or so of denial, and then a Suez Crisis humiliation that brings home to the ruling class that they are now, undeniably, ruling a far smaller roost.

Here's hoping, because the alternatives are pretty bleak. MAGA certainly isn't happening any time soon.


Posted by: Yeah, Right | Jan 8 2021 12:23 utc | 315

Those impeachment calls feel like egging pro-Trump crowd into real riots.
Masters want violence.

Posted by: pppp | Jan 8 2021 12:29 utc | 316

vk @309: "The question is: how will the USA solve this class contradiction rising from economic decline of capitalism. If it will be by fascism (WWIII against China) or socialism (communist revolution); or if it will simply wither and collapse."

For now the empire will just deny the contradictions. Listen to the rantings of the "team" that has effectively just re-assumed power in the US. To them the problem is not imperial decline but rather that people like Ashli Babbitt are just "dumber-than-rocks supporters" of Trump. With Trump disposed of the neolibs are certain that all that remains of the nation's problems is just that these "Deplorables" are stupid and racist subhumans whose concerns can simply be silenced, "deplatformed" , and "canceled". The efforts to reprogram these "Deplorables" to be "good citizens" will be stepped up in the neolibs' ignorant certainty that such reprogramming will tame them and force those "Deplorables" to accept impoverishment.

Naturally this ignores the objective conditions that are causing the backlash against the establishment; a backlash that surprised the establishment and that propelled Trump into office. That backlash will simply continue to build as the empire declines further, even without Trump for opposition to the establishment to coalesce around. Whether the lightning rod for the backlash is someone like Trump or Sanders doesn't matter for the backlash to strike.

History is quite clear in these circumstances. For the backlash to develop socialist characteristics you need a nucleus of true and steeled socialists for revolutionary forces to condense around. A genuine "workers' vanguard" is required. A handful of academics and middle class "Karens" cannot be a substitute for that. There is currently nothing even remotely approaching a workers' vanguard in the US at the moment, so the tension in society must find another outlet.

For the empire to wither and collapse the establishment will have to be remarkably successful in their efforts to prevent the disaffected from being able to organize in any manner at all. The withering and collapsing takes time and during that span the internal tensions caused by the contradictions inherent in imperial decline must be kept atomized to prevent spontaneous combustion of society. Society must be kept divided right down to the level of the individual, which of course is the entire goal of "Identity Politics".

I think the above two options are both very unlikely. America has no real left so socialist revolution is highly improbable, and the establishment is so profoundly incompetent and lost in delusions that they are unlikely to be able to manage their "Identity Politics" sufficiently to prevent societal explosion.

This leaves only the third option that you mentioned: Open and outright fascism. Fascism is empowered by delusion, and America has delusion in spades. Fascism does not require rigorous and rational ideology, and in fact it thrives in the absence of such rigour, and Americans very much prefer to keep rigour out of their worldviews. Rigour interferes with their preferred delusions. So we will see fascism, but it will be fascism with American characteristics, which will look quite different from the various forms of fascism prevalent in Europe over three quarters of a century ago.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 12:40 utc | 317

Lucci #243
Hmm, I love the smell of not even trying to refute my arguments,
while pretending to understand what principles I'm attached too.

I mean if you state

realization how deeply flawed the entire Democratic process in the US is
then why don't you give some ideas how do you think it can be improved, and by who?
Instead of finger-pointing and name-calling.

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 12:59 utc | 318

William Gruff #317
I agree with almost everything you write, but am curious as to why you call it fascism.
I believe the correct term to use would be totalitarianism.

And to fascism, a subcategory of totalitarianism, the exact definitions are rather unclear. Depending on how you define it, I would argue we either already have fascism in the US, or we will never have fascism in the overseeable future (~50 years.)

Would you provide us your definition of fascism?

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 13:12 utc | 319

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 8 2021 11:03 utc | 303

RE Awan Bros. DWS etc.: It's a very long list now, so much stuff under the carpet now you just don't dare lift the edge. Awan Bros. is a particularly egregious example, but there are so many. It's not even high minded "destroyer of the universe" stuff, just penny ante greed and stupidity. Forty years ago when I first worked in "defense related" business, I was immediately struck by the level of self-dealing and how the management was frequently boinking the staff and vice-versa, a major path to advancement.

I just assume at this point the only way out is through.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 8 2021 14:06 utc | 320

Re: fritzcat 320 &321

Hahahaha. Well that's Gruff well and truly put in his place then.

"You owe BLM an apology

This latest installment in the never-ending sanctimonious saga of Potemkin moral-high-groundism, from the bedwetting hysterics, is comedy gold

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 14:14 utc | 321

@michael | Jan 8 2021 12:59 utc | 318

"Hmm, I love the smell of not even trying to refute my arguments,
while pretending to understand what principles I'm attached too."

Trumptards can't see reality other than his own Trumptardians views. Where and when did MSM disapproves to policy that were actually matter ? Foreign policy that keep feeding the foreign military adventurism ? Regime changes keep getting their fundings ? Billions to Israel ? Trillions to corporate bailouts ?
The only fight you do is against imaginary left. Because when it come back to that you both would sing praise to your perceived freedoms, democracy, and glorious capitalism.

"I mean if you state
realization how deeply flawed the entire Democratic process in the US is
then why don't you give some ideas how do you think it can be improved, and by who?
Instead of finger-pointing and name-calling."

No you tell me. When the last time you get centrist movements ? When the last time you have strong anti war movements ? When the last time you have strong workers union movements ? When the last time you have strong movements towards any reforms that actually matter ?
In the past i see some real worthwhile movement in the US such as Occupy Wall Street where were they now ?

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2021 14:15 utc | 322

#294 Micron's explanation of YellowVest suppression is exact.The Arc deTriomphe degradations were by the blackblocks and antifa,their slogans tagged all over the edifice,but MSM showed only one tiny "GiletsJaunes vaincra" and even today refer to this event as if giletsjaunes support fascism etc.Of course in USA and France we have the Khazars leading the opinion and the news outlets and pulling the noserings of the non khazarian politicians .

By the way,another all-jews sexual scandal broke out involving high politicians and opinionmakers as well as ex-Foreign affairs minister Bernard Kouchner,whom I regard as one leading terrorist to the yougoslav people.He has been accused of organtrafficking with Hashim Thaci of Kosovo,but those people getaway with anything vilest.

It was revealed through the book of a daughter Kouchner in cooperation with Le Monde.
My take is that this is to prepare somehow the place for the next president chosen by a minority of french to not-do the will of the people....

Posted by: willie | Jan 8 2021 14:19 utc | 323

And that poor little fritzcat managed to work himself into a froth of faux-righteous indignation, not once but twice in a 15 min period, is the icing on the cake.

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 14:20 utc | 324

Lucci #324
You really are a bullshitter and TDS'er par excellence.

>blabla... anti war movements ...blubber
Just for reference, tell us again how many new wars Trump started?

"Occupy Wall Street" - oh really, it took me 3 weeks to figure out those were the folks who were attempting to fix corruption and government overreach with... more laws (i.e. more government.) /facepalm

Well workers unions are gonna fix things for us. Definitely.

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 14:27 utc | 325

The cancer destroying the body politic is now fully exposed. Take great care inspecting the qualifications of those doctors who offer remedial surgery for the conditions besetting the body politic in that they are treating the human condition and not some delusion of that condition that is in current vogue.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 8 2021 14:31 utc | 326

The thing I'll never understand about USA,is"How come in a country run by 660 billionnaires that get even richer in any crisis that occurs,and with so many criminals and convicts around and arms for free,how come there is no big wave of billionnaires-kidnapping and ransoming whether driven by ideology or just for the money.?

My keyboard is deficient and that may be one reason I quit posting lately.Micron's comment 294 was so right to me that I had to follow up,thusly answering james' question to me last year.(about yellow vests)

Posted by: willie | Jan 8 2021 14:42 utc | 327

"Where and when did MSM disapproves to policy that were actually matter ?"

1. renegotiating NAFTA was supposed to obliterate the economy
2. ditto the (too weak to my taste) trade wars with China, EU, Korea, etc.
3. any attempt at reducing the undocumented workforce domestically
In general: any anti-neolib-globalist move.

4. Initiating a peace process with N.Korea
5. Any sign of a rapprochement with Russia
6. Peace process in Syria, Afghanistan.
7. Any quarrels with NATO
In general: anything contra-neocon/lib-interventionist.

Those are the two main areas, methinks.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 14:49 utc | 328

@michael | Jan 8 2021 14:27 utc | 327

You really are a bullshitter and TDS'er par excellence.

>blabla... anti war movements ...blubber
Just for reference, tell us again how many new wars Trump started?

"Occupy Wall Street" - oh really, it took me 3 weeks to figure out those were the folks who were attempting to fix corruption and government overreach with... more laws (i.e. more government.) /facepalm

Well workers unions are gonna fix things for us. Definitely.
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If you don't notice what i implies is that USA citizens has became too cowardly, pacified, and fragmented. I had to add another in reference to you that they are also getting dumber. Which is i thought shouldn't be possible but then you have comical Trump president elect for the record.

"Well workers unions are gonna fix things for us. Definitely."
Is it or isn't that the MAGA crowd the one that lamented their jobs taken by Chinese and their their domestic industry jobs dried up ?

"Occupy Wall Street" - oh really, it took me 3 weeks to figure out those were the folks who were attempting to fix corruption and government overreach with... more laws (i.e. more government.) /facepalm"
The only other ways you get a reform without going through constitution is through a bloody revolution. Previously you are asking me who ? Do you have Trump as who in your mind ? Are you implying if it's not him then you don't know any others ? If so i rest my case.
I reiterate Trump is millionaire and transnational businessman who never step down from his elitist way even once in his entire lifetime. He got more to lose and would never agree to any kinds of bloody revolution that places him as their figureheads.

Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2021 15:10 utc | 329

You lost me on this one,b. Saying Trump called for a peaceful end is way out of context! You're makin' & drinkin' your own Kool-Aid now. Too bad.

Posted by: Jak Siemasz | Jan 8 2021 15:12 utc | 330

Lucci #331
(Huh, workers unions would have stopped jobs from being exported to/taken by the Chinese??)

Don't hide behind flowery, ultimately empty phrases.

Which others do you see can "get a reform going through constitution"?
How do you believe one can fix/overcome a fragmented citizenry? (without bloody revolution)

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 15:23 utc | 331

The ever more contemptible seems to think that CNN can report that a judge ruled a Trump lawsuit meritless when the judge did not actually say that at all?
The implicit claim that no news organization could simply reprint/put online the court records of the evidence entered is shameless. There's a reason the real horror stories about thousands of ballots not being counted are simply spouted by pro-Trump media: These stories don't have to be produced under oath by people who must give their address.

But of course there is no point in reasoning with a Trumper. As cryptofascists (or open fascists) they disavow reason in all its forms. Mao Cheng Ji explicitly invokes a miracle to "explain" how Trump, a raging populist, magically became the Republican Party candidate. The snark about the DNC fixing the Republican primaries is remarkably stupid. The DNC has trouble fixing the Democratic Party primaries! Look how hard it was to keep Sanders out. The DNC isn't the central committee of a Leninist party, for God's sake. A miracle? Filthy superstition and bigotry will out. If only miracles can put God's chosen in the White House, get on your knees and pray for another miracle instead of spouting these malignant fantasies. Leave the real people alone.

Inventing something called the establishment media is absolutely contemptible. What is this, except a threadbare pretense to avoid admitting the Fox News is mainstream media, as well as Clearwater. National Review, which in many ways was an offshoot of a publicly subsidized TV show, Firing Line, is establishment media, or the phrase doesn't mean anything. Establishment media means other news media feel compelled to report on their stories. Something like World Socialist Web Site isn't establishment media. Breitbart is.

Again, Trumpery is lies, lies, lies.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 8 2021 15:36 utc | 332

@ steven t johnson

Sure, contemptible, fascist, and -- you forgot to mention -- white supremacist. Rest assured, I'm all that, and more. No need to engage.

If I were you, I would even avoid reading these horrible fascistic comments, to protect my peace of mind. These days, there are plenty of safe spaces where fascists aren't allowed, where like-minded virtuous friends can safely share endless varieties of the Orange Man Bad narrative.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 15:54 utc | 333

"Where and when did MSM disapproves to policy that were actually matter ?"

1. renegotiating NAFTA was supposed to obliterate the economy
2. ditto the (too weak to my taste) trade wars with China, EU, Korea, etc.
3. any attempt at reducing the undocumented workforce domestically
In general: any anti-neolib-globalist move.

4. Initiating a peace process with N.Korea
5. Any sign of a rapprochement with Russia
6. Peace process in Syria, Afghanistan.
7. Any quarrels with NATO
In general: anything contra-neocon/lib-interventionist.

Those are the two main areas, methinks.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 14:49 utc | 330

1. I did not see any analysis of positive effects of renegotiating NAFTA. If Trumpians were aware of such effects, they could use friendly media to present.
2. Other trade wars. Did Trump alter the nature of trade negotiations? In such negotiations there are two types of issues, defending the location of work places in "your own country", and defending the destination of rent-like income. My impression was that Trump did not change it. In the case of China, an agreement was close to achieve, but because of a dispute about "intellectual property" etc. there was a long delay with huge cost to American farmers (replaced by Argentina and Brazil). In any case, now we see more products from Vietnam and India in Walmart, a true boon for the working class in USA.
3. Reducing undocumented labor. For at least 30 years there is a silver bullet that is curiously under-used: penalties on employers who do not properly verify work permits of the people they hire. Note that it is hard for any operation larger that a little crew of roofers to work with cash, tracing payments, social security numbers etc. would quickly identify meat packing factories, janitorial service providers and myriad other large scale employers of illegal workers, and with maximal penalties allowed under the laws they would modify their behavior or go out of business. "The wall", arresting workers etc. is much less effective and much more preferred . The only "successes" of Trump approach were caused by business cycle.
3b. There is a structural reason for undocumented workers in "booming" areas. Americans from depressed areas cannot afford the rents, not to mention the ownership. Illegal or temporary workers may rent with very high density, say, two bunk beds per room (my data points exist but are sparse) as long as they are without families. So we create areas with huge shortage of blue collar labor that has to be filled by illegal labor. Changing that requires social policy abhorred by both major parties.
4-6. Negotiating peace here and there. Trump lacked sincerity and brains. A genuine progress would help him after all. It would require to pack institutions that conduct negotiations with people who believe in them. Such people are available in Cato Institute and among analogous "isolationist" outfits and independents. Instead we got Bolton, Pompeo and other Demi-humans (Walrus-American, Porco-American etc., bellowing and oinking instead of policies that Trump was alleged to favor).
7. Quarrels with NATO. I would LOVE to threaten NATO countries that unless they rise military expenditures to at least 1.5% of GDP, USA will decrease them to 1%. I do not love what Trump was doing.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2021 15:56 utc | 334

steven t johnson #334
Wow, you really twisted yourself into a pretzel for your lies and deceptions here.

I especially loved the

These stories don't have to be produced under oath by people who must give their address.
while at the same time ignoring -and actually attempting to paper over- all the affidavits that have been produced!

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 16:00 utc | 335

Maria Zack

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jan 8 2021 16:01 utc | 336

@Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 14:49 utc | 330

"1. renegotiating NAFTA was supposed to obliterate the economy"
I don't see any strong opposition to this. May you elaborate ?

"2. ditto the (too weak to my taste) trade wars with China, EU, Korea, etc."
For this it's not because they're against it's because he lose it. MSM still consistent peddling bad communist China.


"3. any attempt at reducing the undocumented workforce domestically
In general: any anti-neolib-globalist move."
There are more immigrants and refugees that comes in legally than in illegally. But this is purely Democrats and Republicans political battlefront rather than real issues.

"4. Initiating a peace process with N.Korea"
This is true but we do have MSM that onboard with it. Of the many critics of it it's only because by optic Trump look bad with Kim Jong Un as a perceived leader of free world.
But then again the stunts are also purely optical right from the get go with Trump administration pulling their legs on it.

"5. Any sign of a rapprochement with Russia"
Again this just for domestic optic because they had started their russiagate to cover for their embarrassing defeat prior. No other administration are harsher than Trump to Russia. No other administration that breaks agreement with Russia more than Trump.

"6. Peace process in Syria, Afghanistan."
Nope i don't see anything there. The only things they seriously louder are the Kurds. Beyond that i see nothing.

"7. Any quarrels with NATO"
The only quarrel they do is against Turkey. I see nothing in MSM criticize him for it.


Posted by: Lucci | Jan 8 2021 16:14 utc | 337

@ Piotr,

NAFTA was renegotiated, giving the US of A more manufacturing jobs. This is not controversial, afak. Personally, I would prefer repealing it altogether, but nevertheless, it's a move in the right direction.

The fact of other trade wars ain't controversial either: yes, this administration initiated a number of protectionist trade wars. Again, as far as I'm concern: a move in the right direction.

"penalties on employers" - I agree, but that, the burden, could also incentivize business to leave the country. The game is to attract businesses, not to force them out.

"There is a structural reason for undocumented workers in "booming" areas."

There are structural reasons for undocumented workers everywhere, in all areas. It doesn't mean the economy can't function without them. Where did you see "huge shortage of blue collar labor"?

"Trump lacked sincerity and brains"

Please. Try to restrain yourself. You're responding to a comment that doesn't mention Trump at all.

I don't know about Cato, but Rand Paul seemed reasonably happy with the foreign policy. Again, not perfect, but moving to the right direction. What more could we ask for?
Bolton, Pompeo are useful boogeymen in the negotiation game.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 16:20 utc | 338

I haven't noticed this "michael" too much, maybe new, though what I have noticed is remarkably superstitious and bigoted.

But this creature has the gall to talk about me ignoring the affidavits. All honest people know that if you want to talk about affidavits, you link to them and quote from them. And you do links and quotes as part of genuine arguments. If you ignore them in favor of mindless abuse of rational people (aka opponents) you're the pretzel. Don't ignore the evidence! Keep linking to it, keep quoting it, keep giving official sources where the testimony was under oath, because no one with any sense believes internet things are really things. Believing internet sources is like believing the tabloids.

The equally contemptible Mao Cheng Ji, in the perpetually vain attempt to conjure an imaginary establishment media that persecuted Trump, ignores the massive support for Trump's criminal regressive tax giveaways, his criminal crazy military budgets, his ridiculous power to unilaterally wage tariff wars instead of carping about who he attacks...It is a lie that Trump was uniquely attacked. The Russiagate nonsense was more than matched by email server/Benghazi/Clinton Ca$h nonsense. Wingnut trash like Trumpers have been playing slander in the mass media for decades, including Trump's birtherism. Clinton was demonized for thirty years by shameless hacks.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 8 2021 16:48 utc | 339

William Gruff @ 317 I suggest a fourth option. I will leave it to younger persons than I to formulate and organize, but in US tradition there is an enormous wealth of experience to draw on in forming a movement that need not be overt until the time is ripe. The most recent example in this country is Occupy, whose leadership of non leaders is still young enough to advise and coordinate. I believe this is what "Les Miserables" was all about in France. Also, in Russia there was samizdat, so a compromised internet is not the end of all such efforts. It won't be televised, and it won't be online, and it won't be using a corrupted voting system. Through the inevitable cracks in the infrastructure, the grass will begin to grow.

Patience is the operative word. And non-violence is my long standing message. With patience the young can simply outwait the elderly clinging to power. Lets calmly defeat this virus first - it is real, and it will be overcome in time. Prepare a better foundation for your children and theirs than we have had this generation. And lastly, have courage!

Posted by: juliania | Jan 8 2021 16:48 utc | 340

steven t johnson #341
Come on man, don't beat around the bush!

Just tell us all that
 no court case [based on any of those affidavits] has reached advanced stage, much less ended in a verdict
and
that totally proves your BS arguments, as what hasn't happened yet will also never happen in the future.

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 16:59 utc | 341

"Trump lacked sincerity and brains"

Please. Try to restrain yourself. You're responding to a comment that doesn't mention Trump at all.

I don't know about Cato, but Rand Paul seemed reasonably happy with the foreign policy. Again, not perfect, but moving to the right direction. What more could we ask for?
Bolton, Pompeo are useful boogeymen in the negotiation game.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 16:20 utc | 340

Ah, how cute! "I made a list of what I claimed "achievements" of someone, but I did not have any particular person in mind." Sincerity and brains can be easily evaluated, so I leave it to others, but how cute!

Paul Rand is reasonably happy. Periodically, Paul Rand pretends to have some brains, but he reveals very little of them (top secret stuff, basically he is elected to the Senate for his pretty face, if Kentackians would learned that he frequently thinks, his carrier would be over, for that matter, Senators from New York hide their thinking abilities even better, a nationwide issue). In the case of North Korea, show me one position of Trump that would show him different from imperialist clique. In the sphere of optics, yes, he met with North Korean leader without punching him in the face, or at least shoving (there is some video of Montenegrin PM ruthlessly shoved away by American leader, as he stood between Trump and the Trump favorite spot for the photo op; later the hapless Montenegrin lost popularity and elections, so it turned well). Again, find a hint that the negotiations with North Korea was sincere.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 8 2021 17:00 utc | 342

The view from abroad

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 8 2021 17:00 utc | 343

@ Mao Cheng Ji

No, I didn’t depend on the media or CNN in particular to describe the various court decisions regarding Trump law suits. Instead, I used my internet search engine to look up the court filings. Next, I used my legal education and 25 years experience as an attorney to review the various filings.

You see, I don’t believe the media because I’ve seen way to many times where the media gets the simplest facts wrong. So I look up the source documents and review the actual facts without the media interpretation of those facts when I am interested in a topic.

Re Trump being a Russian agent, that is a hoax, same as Obama not being born in the US, Obama being a secret Muslim and Biden being elected only because of widespread election fraud. Both parties offer nothing to voters and can only gain power by using lies and black propaganda to demonize the other side.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jan 8 2021 17:30 utc | 344

Re: steven t johnson | Jan 8 2021 15:36 utc | 334

Don't know about anyone else here but I must say that I'm highly entertained of late by The bedwetter-in-Chief's increasingly unhinged and hysterical pseudo-moralistic rants

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 17:31 utc | 345

michael @319 re: definition of fascism

One popular definition is the merger of state and corporate power. By this definition the United States and the rest of the "Free World™" is already very much fascist. This definition is sometimes useful for casual discussion, but I find it really lacking where trying to understand fascism's function in society is concerned. For that I think it is best to define fascism as the polar opposite of revolutionary socialism.

Why define a thing by its opposite? Because in the case of fascism that is precisely what it happens to be. While socialism has a definite basic core idea, which is social control of the economy, fascism has no consistent belief or ideology to point to, and sometimes it even cloaks itself in socialist ideals (see National Socialist German Workers' Party"). From an ideological perspective fascism is whatever can be used by the business elites to recruit portions of the population to attack the working class and destroy its organizations. Racism, religious bigotry, and/or nationalism are often employed for this recruiting effort, but which race or religion is exalted and which are demonized are not fixed and depend entirely upon the circumstances. The simple-minded will assert that white-supremacy and antisemitism are essential characteristics of fascism, but what part could those have played in the rise of fascism in Japan and China last century? Argentina? Indonesia? Rwanda? Libya? To get really absurd look at the fascists in Ukraine and note that they are genetically identical to the Russians they hate and their religion is almost indistinguishable from Russian Orthodox except under a microscope. The Ukrainian language is essentially just a redneck version of Russian. The differences used to mobilized fascist goons in Ukraine are easily seen by outsiders as entirely imaginary. Even more absurd is that a number of the leading fascists in the Ukraine are Jewish!

So you see fascism has no consistent ideology. It is based upon whatever the big business marketing departments can come up with to recruit goons to attack the working class.

If we look at America, which demographic currently represents the biggest thorn in the side of capitalism? Ironically, and despite them nominally being right wingers, that would be the white working class "Deplorables". Who are in the forefront of attacks on the "Deplorables"? Again with the irony, that would be BLM and antifa, making them the shock troops for fascism in the USA.

But how can an organization that claims to be opposed to fascism be fascist itself? Well ask yourself how the Nazis could square with calling themselves socialists? Such internal contradiction is par for the course with fascism.

Instead of fixating on the labels that fascists are adorned with or trying to find anything systematic in their ideology, just look at the fascist groups' function in society. If they are attacking the working class then in all probability they are fascists.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 17:39 utc | 346

"I made a list of what I claimed "achievements" of someone, but I did not have any particular person in mind."

No, I made a list of policies of the last 4 years that were rabidly attacked by the establishment media. In this context, your opinion of other people's brains is utterly irrelevant.

"In the case of North Korea, show me one position of Trump that would show him different from imperialist clique."

To show one different position is real easy: he eventually addressed that country on equal terms, as a partner in negotiations. I haven't seen it before. It was always presented as Irrational and Evil Tyranny.

Incidentally, this is exactly how this and other attempts at diplomacy were scorned and condemned by the establishment: "palling around with dictators". The official enemies must be destroyed, not "palled around with".

By the way, one more (thank you Steven): the corporate tax rate cut was another good (in my opinion) protectionist policy, rabidly attacked by the establishment.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 17:44 utc | 347

"Trump being a Russian agent, that is a hoax, same as Obama not being born in the US, Obama being a secret Muslim..."

As for Obama not being born in the US, his own literary agent put it into a marketing brochure. So, no, not entirely a hoax.

In any case, can you find a single link with NYT, WaPo, CNN, ABC, any variety of NBC, CBS, AP, or Reuters insisting that Obama is a secret Muslim?

If not, how is it "same as"?

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 17:53 utc | 348

"If they are attacking the working class then in all probability they are fascists.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 17:39 utc | 348"

AntiFa/BLM in a nutshell.

One of AntiFa/BLM fave tactics was to openly target and destroy many small businesses owned and operated by working class people of all creeds and colours.


When criticised the immediate AntiFa/BLM response, and that of their fellow travellers, was to blithely dismiss the destructive effect of that damage as being merely an insurance matter.

A clearer indication that The destruction of working class livelihoods and years of hard work was viewed by them as a trivial matter, and the damage caused to the people affected was of no consequence whatsoever, would be hard to find.

Perversely many of these alleged "leftist" AntiFa/BLM clowns appeared to be very content that they had actually destroyed working class livelihoods and years of hard work.

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 17:54 utc | 349

William Gruff @317--

Most public unrest during the Great Depression arose in the Midwest farm belt and was led by farmers, particularly dairymen. In the East, many factories were shuttered, and with no unemployment or other types of "automatic stabilizers" of an economic sort to count on for support, many took to roads and rails in search of work. Sharp business cycle depressions had happened many times before. What was new then as now is the duration of the Depression. Hudson is adamant that it began with the financial fraud crisis of 2007-8, but IMO it's been ongoing since the 1980s when Neoliberalism got its great boost from Reagan/Bush. For a current assessment, read Shadowstats "Latest Numbers" report and his flash commentary to come out on Sunday most likely. And do take another gander at his GDP chart and the blue line showing negative GDP growth since 1998. The reality is at minimum a Generational Length Depression being radically intensified thanks to the lack of COVID containment.

Logically, a consumerist-based economy will collapse without consumers. It's not just the closed businesses but also the Generational Depression causing the huge decline in aggregate demand, and the related irony as Shadowstats shows is that despite that the trade deficit keeps growing and making a new record each quarter. If Hudson and I have read Biden correctly, he'll usher in austerity-type policies that will further exacerbate the situation that will fuel even bigger--genuine--protests than what we saw in DC, particularly in already distressed Rust Belt states. The protests and riots that should've occurred in 2009 have now commenced in 2021 and have the potential to make what happened in 1968 look tame.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 8 2021 17:55 utc | 350

" Next, I used my legal education and 25 years experience as an attorney to review the various filings. "

Tsk. Alas, here you're just an anonymous commenter...

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 17:57 utc | 351

"Paul Crag Roberts is a fucking moron"

-vato | Jan 8 2021 10:40 utc | 298

[Boy, who have I heard toss that phrase around before here in MoA comment sections?]

PCR has been writing stuff on his own dime for ages, and everyone knows where his head is at. He's *no* racist/white separatist.

Maybe he just put that section in ther to trigger the Borg's 'Divide and rule' Woke racial war-mongers into de-cloaking...

Among PCR's many worthy contributions calling out against the Deepstate creeping coup of the US He's been a huge defender of Julian Assange and a decrier of the State-sponsored murder/coverup operation on Seth Rich, conduit of confidential deepstate DNC info to Wikileaks/Assange.


Posted by: gm | Jan 8 2021 17:58 utc | 352

Additionally Mao, concerning you comment about Pennsylvania, attached find a link to the 138 page federal court decision dismissing Trump’s complaint concerning Pennsylvania voting procedures. http://www.pacourts.us/assets/files/page-1433/file-10267.pdf

If you want to know why the federal court upheld Penn rules forbidding election officials from rejecting ballots based solely upon the untrained election official’s believe the signatures didn’t match, read this opinion.

The link to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision is here. https://www.leagle.com/decision/inpaco20201026a01 Basically, this court ruled that there is no Pennsylvania law requiring a signature match before an absentee ballot can be counted. Neither Trump nor the GOP has any right to put requirements on voters or voting in excess of what the state’s election laws require. Trump doesn’t get to make state election laws.

Please note each court examined the merits of the claims and didn’t reject them merely because of a lack of standing.

In sum, the claims of Biden won in 2020 because of voter fraud are as laughable as those that Trump won in 2016 because of Russian interference. Neither is true.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jan 8 2021 17:59 utc | 353

@ William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 17:39 utc | 348... thanks for that william... it is fairly nuanced, but i get it... where to next?

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2021 18:04 utc | 354

@S

Trump is both the president who has told the most lies and the president that has been lied about by other the most.

From the false claims he was elected only due to Russian interference to the impeachment based upon him exercising his legal presidential powers, I have never seen a president so unfairly demonized by the supposed main stream media. Trump’s reign has shown us that there is no mainstream media, just partisan media that repeats unchallenged the claims of one or then other major parties’ politicians, no matter how unbelievable those claims are. CNN is now the mirror image of Fox News, except it carries the opposite party’s water.

Those claims against Trump were a hoax, same as the claims Trump made about Obama being an African Muslim instead of being born in the US.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jan 8 2021 18:11 utc | 355

TimmyB | Jan 8 2021 17:59 utc | 355

"Basically, this court ruled that there is no Pennsylvania law requiring a signature match before an absentee ballot can be counted."

Right. Also, it's never been of any consequence, due to a small number of mail-in ballots.

In 2020 however...

So, what would be the reason to insist on it, to actually prohibit matching signatures?

There are other options, y'know. They could try to contact the voter and verify, if there are serious doubts. But no, it's forbidden to matching signatures.

Did those judges care to contemplate for what reason signatures are requested on those envelopes at all?

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 18:22 utc | 356

"Trump is both the president who has told the most lies"

What lies did he tell you, if I may ask?

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 18:29 utc | 357

karlof1 @352

Many years ago I did a couple months of research and manic number crunching and figured that the empire's peak was reached in the summer of 1974. Despite bumps and stumbles the economy has been trending down ever since. The 2007-8 crash that Hudson refers to is different in that it represents "The Big One" that put western capitalism in the economic ICU on a ventilator. While the body hasn't decomposed yet (much), it is never getting off that gurney under its own steam.

As you say, the time since then is really best thought of as a new Great Depression. Some people got rich, but very few. Most Americans have seen real decline. The populist uprising that put Trump in the White House didn't come out of nowhere, and it isn't going to go away just because the establishment succeeded in getting rid of Trump. Trump didn't cause that uprising, he just rode it to victory. The "Deplorables" would have just as happily voted for Sanders if they had the opportunity and if he promised, even insincerely, to do some Swamp draining.

I think you are absolutely correct that we are just seeing the previews so far for what's to come this year.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 18:33 utc | 358

frtitzcat @358: "What is "communist" China if not the merger of corporate and state power?"

Which, of course, is why I specified that such a definition is only useful in casual discourse. It really matters in that relationship which partner is the "top" and which is the "bottom". Which one pitches and which one catches, if you get my drift.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 18:39 utc | 359

The question is: how will the USA solve this class contradiction rising from economic decline of capitalism. If it will be by fascism (WWIII against China) or socialism (communist revolution); or if it will simply wither and collapse.

Posted by: vk | Jan 8 2021 11:35 utc | 3
The question is: how will the USA solve this class contradiction rising?

REVOLUTION in the PAST YEARS.....GREAT RESET in OUR DAYS

NOTHING WILL HAVE CHANGE AT THE END UNLESS YOU GET RID OF CENTRAL BANK IN THE PROCESS

Posted by: BINGO | Jan 8 2021 18:45 utc | 360

William Gruff @348

So you see fascism has no consistent ideology. It is based upon whatever the big business marketing departments can come up with to recruit goons to attack the working class.

That's exactly why I don't like to use that rubber term.

If we look at America, which demographic currently represents the biggest thorn in the side of capitalism? Ironically, and despite them nominally being right wingers, that would be the white working class "Deplorables".
You lost me here. "The deplorables are against capitalism" - as in real capitalism or the bastard version currently sold as "capitalism"?

Who are in the forefront of attacks on the "Deplorables"? Again with the irony, that would be BLM and antifa, making them the shock troops for fascism in the USA.
Yep.
So why don't we stick with totalitarians, as those are all who want to enslave all (or most) individuals (a term which I also prefer over working class.)

Let me present to you in very abbreviated form the thought of Augusto Del Noce about Marxism, Nazism, and Fascism and their relationships:

In Nazism everything develops as if the criterion of truth were to replace each Communist category with its exact opposite, but still within the same materialistic perspective of Marxism. Thus, class is replaced by race, the bourgeois by the Jew. Hence, history is interpreted as a death struggle between the Aryan and the Jew. [...] In opposition to Marxism’s emphasis on the future, Nazism emphasizes the past. In opposition to the secularized Marxist eschatology that places the perfect society at the end of times, Nazi mythology places it before history. [...] to Marxist historicism Nazism opposes the most radical naturalism.

Different considerations apply to Fascism and to the technocratic society. [...] revolutionary thought must necessarily join together the terms materialism and dialectics. Now, the following happened and had to happen: when they were developed in full, the dialectic and the materialistic aspects split apart. Pushed to its ultimate consequences, the dialectic aspect abolished the materialistic aspect [the result is Fascism], and vice versa; extreme materialism and scientism eliminate dialectics [the result is Marxism]

Although this is too deep for me to independently corroborate -with my current knowledge-, for all I know it looks correct.
And as Del Noce perfectly deconstructed Marxism (in the same book), for now I trust his opinion on this.

Read yourself in "The Crisis of Modernity"

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 18:48 utc | 361

@ Mao

Your questions about court decisions, such as “ Did those judges care to contemplate for what reason signatures are requested on those envelopes at all?” can be answered if you read the decisions that I have provided links to. If you can’t be bothered to read the court decisions, that’s on you.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jan 8 2021 18:52 utc | 362

@ Posted by: frtitzcat | Jan 8 2021 18:16 utc | 358

The difference is that, in China (socialism), the big corporations are the collective possession of the proletariat, while in nazifascism they are the private property of a capitalist oligarchy.

Posted by: vk | Jan 8 2021 18:54 utc | 363

While on the theme of PCR's "conspiracy' writings on Seth Rich murder/Julian Assange links:

Pretty detailed information has been coming out last 2 days, into 3-letter agency oversight of Rich killing, follwed by *loose ends* clean-up killings, by *named* FED agents, of the hired MS-13 gunmen who did the shooting on Rich.

Info source apparently from a framed whistleblower/journalist sitting in prison on a 'felon in possession of ammunition' conviction, (alias 'Ryan White'), who apparently has some legal relationship to super-lawyer Lin Wood.

Lin Wood, Seth Rich, MS-13 (Shaun Attwod yt vid) https://youtu.be/nOb3fDG1SWU?t=270

Source of Attwood info: https://www.neonrevolt.com/2021/01/06/at-the-highest-levels-part-1-of-3/

Posted by: gm | Jan 8 2021 18:59 utc | 364

"Pushed to its ultimate consequences, the dialectic aspect abolished the materialistic aspect [the result is Fascism]"

Meh. Too eggheady. To me, fascism is a form of corporatism. A way to negate the class struggle, developed in the wake of massive advance of Marxist movements in the first half of the 20th c.

From wikipedia:
"A fascist corporation is a government body that brings together federations of workers and employers syndicates to regulate production in a holistic manner. Each trade union would theoretically represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. It was theorized that this method could result in harmony amongst social classes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

It's evolved into a quite successful model, mostly in Scandinavia. Although with a lot of troubles in recent decades, specifically in Sweden. Oh well, globalization, what can you do...

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 19:10 utc | 365

Mao Cheng Ji #368
Not sure I'd be proud to publicly declare wikipedia as my ultimate source of truth... (as even in the best case: let the majority define what truth is?)

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 19:16 utc | 366

james @356: "...where to next?"

Despite Fritzy's ridicule, refining our understanding of where the world is and where it is going has value. None of us here are oligarchs for whom the Earth shakes when we move, so going out tomorrow to start the revolution is not really an option. Aside from that, do local stuff. For example I played a part in organizing a neighborhood defense phone tree last year when the riots were looking threatening. That wasn't just to defend against BLM/antifa, but also possible white supremacist groups should they enter the neighborhood (the neighborhood has a mix of ethnicities). The only use the phone tree has seen so far was an emergency warning about a tornado passing through and a followup check on everybody, and a couple of the neighbors use it to let everyone know when they have bulk food that they are getting from somewhere to hand out, but it isn't like that small amount of organization has been useless. I've also been agitating for the city to provide municipal broadband Internet (we already have municipal electricity), and while we cannot claim success yet we have seen movement from the city on the issue. (revolution hint: people cannot have their ISP accounts "cancelled" on the whim of some businessman if the Internet is being provided as a public service. Denying someone a public service takes due process).

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 19:17 utc | 367

@ TimmyB

No, I can’t be bothered to read their 'opinions'.

I know what their decision was: banning to match signatures.

The bullshit they ordered their clerks to concoct, to justify that decision, it does not interest me.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 19:18 utc | 368

"Not sure I'd be proud to publicly declare wikipedia as my ultimate source of truth..."

Then don't. I doubt anyone does. Declare it a handy reference.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 19:21 utc | 369

@ Mao

This is the last time I’m going to respond to your claims about court decisions you have chosen to remain willfully ignorant about via you refusal to read them at the links I provided.

Your claim that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court “banned” signature matching isn’t true. Instead, the Supreme Court refused the Trump campaigns’ request to require poll workers, who admittedly completely untrained in handwriting analysis, to compare voter signatures and disenfranchise those voters when they question the authenticity of signatures. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court chose not to issue such an order because it determined that the Pennsylvania legislature did not pass any laws giving poll workers that authority and passed no laws requiring such signature matching.

It’s the same ruling one would get if one asked a Pennsylvania court to issue an order that mail in ballots may only be counted if they were mailed in a red envelope, had 14 cents of excess postage attached, and the envelope contained a pinch of salt. The court would look at the law, see that there is no law requiring such things and refuse to grant the order.

If the Pennsylvania legislature passed such laws, it would be a different story. But it has not.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jan 8 2021 19:43 utc | 370

TimmyB #370
It looks kind of weird how you harp on about that selected case of yours,
but never mention the one where
the PA Supreme Court rubberstamped the PA SoS last minute rule changes, although such clearly violated the PA constitution.

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 19:49 utc | 371

"It’s the same ruling one would get if one asked a Pennsylvania court to issue an order that mail in ballots may only be counted if they were mailed in a red envelope, had 14 cents of excess postage attached, and the envelope contained a pinch of salt."

No, it's not the same at all, and you know it.

Also your turn of phrase "...and disenfranchise those voters..." is bullshit and transparent propaganda. The issue is not about disenfranchising voters, but preventing voter fraud. And you know it.

What makes you write these things?

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 19:55 utc | 372

michael @364: '"The deplorables are against capitalism" - as in real capitalism or the bastard version currently sold as "capitalism"?'

It doesn't really matter what label people hang on the economic system. What is important is that they are opposed to it.

As for Del Noce's ideas about fascism, try applying them to the Chiang Kai-shek fascists in China and later Taiwan. As well, most contemporary fascists reject materialism altogether. Further, why invert the principles of Marxism? Just to come up with a new -ism? What kind of role does playing such philosophical games have in society? The description I provided of fascism is purely pragmatic and situational, just as capitalists like things.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 20:02 utc | 373

"Trump is accused of inciting violence.

It doesn't read like that. In fact Trump spoke out against violence and called on the people to leave peacefully"
...

We are through with the donald, perhaps MGGA- MAKE GERMANY GREAT AGAIN is where you'd
like to go with your tRump worship?

The world all knows that Der Fuhrers WW2 crimes were rewarded with US permanent military bases, bases which are used to commit further war crimes against humanity. You approve of tRump? I'm sure donald would be happy to teach your granddaughter how to properly respond to getting her pussy grabbed? donald certainly knows how to assassinate the enemies the ISIS, yes? You openly endorse and support a war criminal self proclaimed pussy grabber abuser of women? By all means tRump may be a better fit for Germany being great again?

Posted by: CitizenX | Jan 8 2021 20:04 utc | 374

I'm sure donald would be happy to teach your granddaughter how to properly respond to getting her pussy grabbed?

Posted by: CitizenX | Jan 8 2021 20:04 utc | 374

-----

Charming.

Well you sure showed that b fella which of the two of you is the most moral and decent, didn'cha?

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 20:15 utc | 375

President Trump's exact words from his speech on Ellipse January 6th 2021 and his exhortation to the citizens gathered around him:

""We are going to walk down to the Capitol and we are going to cheer on our brave senators and Congress men and women and we're not going to be choosing to cheer so much for some of them"

Posted by: Rich | Jan 8 2021 20:17 utc | 376

William Gruff #373
It's maybe hard to understand from the text, but fascism is where the dialectic abolishes the materialism aspect.
But it's still 'technocratic society' (DN: "by using this word I do not intend to diminish in any way the value of technology, but to denote a society that replaces, as its own foundation, the philosophy of being with the philosophy of doing", i.e. action over contemplation, or in other words pragmatism over principles.)

Nazism inverted the principles of Marxism.

I find it useful to get to the bottom of things, especially when you can show how they connect.
But it requires that you prefer Being over Having.

Posted by: michael | Jan 8 2021 20:19 utc | 377

@ Mao

I’m not going to argue with you over the holdings of court decisions you refuse to read, even after I provided links to those decisions. There is simply no point to arguing over a topic when your opponent has zero knowledge of the topic and refuses to learn anything about it.

Have a good day.

Posted by: TimmyB | Jan 8 2021 20:36 utc | 378

@ TimmyB

I appreciate your civil tone. It's uncommon these days.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 8 2021 20:42 utc | 379

@ William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 19:17 utc | 367.. thanks william.... there are some differences between the usa and canada, but you are right.. we need to act locally and do what we can to make a better world...

i am recommending a book for my fellow canucks to read... 'the sport and prey of capitalists' by linda mcquaig... she is a very good writer and highlights how canada was able to build the national railway, or how ontario hydro came about historically.. so many of the great institutions in canada were publicly owned, but we had to fight to get them... and we have been losing them in bits and pieces since the 80's or 90s under the leadership of mulroney, which coincided with the leadership of thatcher and reagan...

this book is truly great in pointing out the differences between public and private ownership... the publics best interests are served in having the gov't own a number of basic needs and infrastructure - hospitals, seniors homes, roads, energy - hydro, or natural gas and etc. etc... of course the the usa has been very successful in convincing the public against gov't interference... but what doesn't get said is corporate interference which is what the usa has now.. canada is not far behind in adopting this stupid ideology of hating the gov't, taxation and etc, without realizing ownership of much of these basic needs are better in the hands of gov't then in private hands... she gives an example in the book of selling hwy 407 in the toronto area with a 99 year lease! the highway was built with a good chunk of the public taxes, but it is in the hands of private owners and not set to revert until 2098! of course anyone who drives in the toronto area would know the fact this is an important toll highway.. what they don't know is how it came about and at what cost...

i think what you are doing here is really great - trying to educate others on the drawbacks and pitfalls of our present situation.. i feel that b and many of the posters here would really like to see a better world and it is slipping away from us in many respects.. we all have to do our part to understand how our world works and no one has a lockhold on understanding it, least of all me! i pick up and learn from everyone and do the best i can to stay informed... thanks for your fine posts william!

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2021 20:50 utc | 380

looks like fritz the cat was another alias for donkey or king lear... funny how they keep on coming back and b keeps on deleting them..

Posted by: james | Jan 8 2021 20:54 utc | 381

@arby | Jan 7 2021 15:47 utc | 115

Way off topic but some pretty good info on vaccines--
Coronavirus vaccine tracker

Thanks for the article. It leads to a good overview of some vaccine candidates, from a Canadian perspective. There is some explanation of how the various vaccines work. The variety of the mechanisms is somewhat surprising to me.

Personally, I would prefer vaccines that don't replicate inside my body, as the mRNA vaccines do. When does the replication stop? Can the replicating agent become dangerous, by mutation for example? I've no idea.

The vaccines must be produced somehow of course; we don't have artificial nanoassemblers yet. But let the replicating happen elsewhere, in a plant or insect, and not inside my body. So I would prefer the vaccines by Medicago (Canada), Sanofi (France), and Novavax (US), if they work and are safe.

I would avoid the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna, and the viral vector vaccines from AstraZeneca and Janssen. Only after decades of demonstrated safety would I take either of them.

The Canadian government apparently agrees with me, as it has ordered 76 million doses from Medicago and another 72 million from Sanofi, each enough for the entire population of Canada, and only 20 million doses each from Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Moderna.

Posted by: Cyril | Jan 8 2021 22:58 utc | 382

Cyril, thanks for your reply.

Posted by: arby | Jan 9 2021 13:52 utc | 383

Mao Cheng Ji, living tribute to mommy's morals and daddy's brains, asserts an imaginary establishment viciously attacked Trump for the corporate tax cut. This is a barefaced lie. The establishment includes Wall Street and the Congress as well as the imaginary establishment media. There were some liberals and (mostly hidden away from the mass media, aka MSM,) who criticized the cuts, but the real lesson here is that Mao Cheng Ji is outraged that the Leader Trump is criticized *in any way whatsoever.* (Fuehrer is German for leader, for those who forgot.) Also a lie, a Big Lie that would make Goebbels proud, is the assertion that regressive taxation is a protectionist strategy. If the US were a Third World country suffering from an absolute dearth of capital, both monetary and physical, maybe? But of course the US isn't.

The hypocrisy of a michael ignoring the opinions is not justified by the false claims that voter fraud is a major problem. Preventing citizens from voting by obstructive restrictions on registration is a major problem, preventing them from being able to vote for other parties is a major problem, preventing them from physically voting by limiting polling places and hours and using only workdays and obstructing early voting and mail ballots is a major problem. Vote buying may be a major problem and voter intimidation (as when employers pressure employees) is definitely a thing even though scum like Mao Cheng Ji have no issue with that. But vote fraud by random citizens outside the polling places, no, that is not a major problem. That's why pretending that anything that in their personal opinion might conceivably allow any trace of this kind of voter fraud is therefore equivalent to fraud and requires the drastic remedy of disallowing whole categories of votes from citizens is a damned lie and an attack on citizens' democratic rights. To really steal an election by false votes, you need to count them. At least the Kraken-pot lying about Dominion voting machines knew that much. The thing there is, huge numbers of Republicans had too much access to the vote counting for that kind of vote falsifying to take place on a significant scale. Everyone knows this but they just lie about not knowing this. The fascist cohort, michael and William Gruff and so forth, want to attack the franchise of poor people, aka working class people, by assuming mail in ballots are illegitimate in themselves. They do this even as they pose as friends of the plebeians. Their hypocrisy knows no shame.

Again, Trumpery is lies, lies, lies.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2021 14:50 utc | 384

Here, dear Steven, a typical puke from the establishment's Pravda:

"The Tax Bill’s Winners and Losers
[...]
WINNERS

PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS FAMILY Numerous industries will benefit from the Republican tax overhaul, but perhaps none as dramatically as the industry where Mr. Trump earned his riches: commercial real estate. Mr. Trump, along with his son-in-law Jared Kushner, who is part owner of his own real estate firm, will benefit from lower taxes on so-called “pass through” income, which is money earned by partnerships and other types of businesses whose income is passed through to its owner and taxed at the individual tax rate. Mr. Trump and Mr. Kushner benefit since they own properties through limited liability companies and other similar vehicles."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/business/the-winners-and-losers-in-the-tax-bill.html

If this isn't a vicious attack, I don't know what is.

"Also a lie, a Big Lie that would make Goebbels proud, is the assertion that regressive taxation is a protectionist strategy."

Reducing corporate tax rates is a widely used protectionist measure, in my opinion. If it somehow makes Goebbels proud, so be it; I don't really care. Obviously, you're free to disagree.

"The thing there is, huge numbers of Republicans had too much access to the vote counting for that kind of vote falsifying to take place on a significant scale."

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

In just a few days you will definitely have your vegetable figurehead installed; why don't you relax now, dear Steven? Obviously, rabid drivel you keep posting here is not going to change anyone's mind.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 9 2021 18:29 utc | 385

Mao Cheng Ji does not know what a vicious attack is. Saying something true about Trump's personal benefits is not vicious, but decreeing that Biden is a vegetable figurehead is.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2021 20:45 utc | 386


but decreeing that Biden is a vegetable figurehead is.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 9 2021 20:45 utc | 386


You heard it here first folks.

Anyone that has watched Joe Biden on the rare occassions over the past 9 months when his handlers deemed him mentally coherent enough to be allowed to appear in public , knows full well that he's suffering from some rather advanced cognitive impairment.

But according to the bedwetter-in-Chief above, filthy plebs like us daring to trust the evidence of our own eyes and ears constitutes "a vicious attack" on poor dementia sufferer Mr Joe Biden.

Just when you think the bedwetters couldn't go any lower, they prove you wrong everytime

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 21:01 utc | 387

Dear Steven,

"Saying something true [...] is not vicious"

Sorry, but I have to disagree. Indeed, 'saying something true' can quite often be vicious.

You should be able to test - and hopefully reject - your own conjecture by applying it to your favorite examples of vicious attacks; incidents where your beloved celebrity, faithful servant of global financial capital, was confronted (albeit quite mildly and hardly with full force of the establishment media).

Try one of those you mentioned: the mail server. Surely your complaint is about the amount of attention paid to 'something true' -- 'something true' that you choose to view as unimportant -- and not about the facts themselves?

"but decreeing that Biden is a vegetable figurehead is"

Sure. Hopefully you are still capable of seeing the difference between an anonymous blog commenter and the American "paper of record"...

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 10 2021 8:12 utc | 388

It is stupid and vicious to swear BIden is a vegetable, for roughly the same reasons it is stupid and vicious to smear Trump as mentally impaired and emotionally disordered. Even worse for jackals like Triden, the case against Trump, the evidence he is out of touch with reality, is far stronger than the case against Biden.

It is deceptive to pretend the email servers are a mere disagreement about whether attention is excessive, it about the use of double standards to assert Clinton was treasonous. Other people have used private servers (not least because trash conservatives have deprived the government of good equipment.) And Clinton is no more a traitor for email server/Bengazi/Clinton Foundation than Trump is for his hanky panky in UKraine. BS hysteria about treason is the vicious.

Whatever the IQ may actually be, malice makes you stupid, as a wise man once said. Mao Cheng Ji and Triden are examples. Only the mindless pursuit of their agenda makes them imagine I'm a Democratic Party supporter, much less a Biden supporter. I confess to defending Buttgieg against the shameless homophobia that motivated so much of the hysteria about him. But I didn't support his economics, which are conventional, which is to say, failed.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 10 2021 15:16 utc | 389

It is stupid and vicious to swear BIden is a vegetable,

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 10 2021 15:16 utc | 389

Don't trust your lying eyes and lying ears folks

Trust the morally superior sanctimony of hysterical partisan dishonest totalitarian bedwetters like the bedwetter-in-Chief steven t johnson who seems determined, despite all the evidence to the contrary, to convince everyone that obvious dementia sufferer Mr Joe Biden is in tip top cognitive condition.

Only the stupid and vicious would dare to be so uncouth as to draw attention to the obvious fact that Joe Biden has some serious cognitive impairment issues which can only get worse as time progresses.

Posted by: Triden | Jan 10 2021 15:41 utc | 390

Dear Steven,

"Other people have used private servers (not least because trash conservatives have deprived the government of good equipment.)"

Puh-leeze, Steven. The reason for using her own email server (by the way: where's that server now, eh?) is perfectly obvious: to minimize the risk of having her pathetic little secrets exposed.

Quite ironic, I must say.

"...the use of double standards to assert Clinton was treasonous"

Show me one NYT or WaPo article asserting "Clinton was treasonous".

Equating occasional rhetorical splash on fringes with a massive 24x7 4-year-long coordinated campaign by the establishment media -- and, let's not forget, all the social media monopolies?
Audacious, I'll give you that.

"Only the mindless pursuit of their agenda makes them imagine I'm a Democratic Party supporter, much less a Biden supporter"

Tsk. So, why are you acting like one, then? There are millions of Orange Man Bad bots out there, y'know. Many of them are paid, I'm sure. What compelled you to join their ranks? It's a mystery to me.

Years ago, in a different life on a different planet, I used to read - and appreciate - forceful anti-anti-communist retorts posted by someone with "steven t johnson" moniker.

No relation, I'm sure, because this one sounds completely brainwashed, tirelessly parroting establishment propaganda...

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Jan 10 2021 16:12 utc | 391

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