Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
January 07, 2021

Leaving In Style

Trump's supporters are taking care that their president can leave in style.


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U.S. foreign policy has come home to bite. Does anyone still remember when the Twitter blue ticks lauded this 'peaceful' 'pro-democracy' action?


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Speaker of the House Nanci Pelosi once said of the protests in Hong Kong: "It is a beautiful sight to behold."

teleSUR English @telesurenglish - 22:20 UTC · Jan 6, 2021
See any similarities? Images from Juan Guaidó's attempt to storm Venezuela's National Assembly and today's pro-Trump mobs occupying the U.S. Capitol building, just one year apart.

This ITV footage of average Americans storming their Capitol is truly extraordinary. These people are true believers who strongly feel that they have been wronged.

Ruslan Moldovanov @Revolov - 00:50 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Washington, D.C., today resembles an Eastern European capital where a color revolution is unfolding.
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The same very vibes

Some Capitol guests were violent but those may well have been saboteurs:

DR JANE’S DC 2.0 - @DrJaneRuby - 4:11 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Trump supporters physically stopped Antifa rioter from trying to break window at Capitol building.
They were trying to call them out
pic.twitter.com/JKr2bKm9ax

Who by the way knew that members of Congress have gas masks under their seats?

Tear gas was deployed in the Capitol rotunda, so the order came down for lawmakers to ready gas masks that are stored under their seats. Allred helped some his colleagues take out their masks as Arizona Rep. Ruben Gallego, a Marine Corps veteran, provided instruction.

“When you put your mask on, breathe slowly or you’ll hyperventilate,” Gallego said, according to Allred.

There surely is a lot of hyperventilating right now. Trump is accused of inciting violence.

It doesn't read like that. In fact Trump spoke out against violence and called on the people to leave peacefully only to get censored by the blue tick monopoly:

Protesters, who were seen fighting with officers both inside the building and outside, were described as "special people" by President Donald Trump, who responded to calls to condemn the violence.

In a video address shared on Twitter, he urged his supporters to "go home" but repeated an unsubstantiated claim that the election was "stolen".

He said: "I know your pain, I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us, it was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side.

"But you have to go home now, we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt."

He described it as a "tough period of time", and repeated false claims that the November's election was "fraudulent".

He ended the video message by calling the protesters "very special", adding: "We can’t play into the hands of these people.

"We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You’re very special."

Twitter disabled the video from being liked or retweeted "due to a risk of violence". It was later deleted.

Explain to me how the above quotes are risking violence or a breach of 'civic integrity'? What, please, is that?

Twitter Safety @TwitterSafety - 0:02 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
Replying to @TwitterSafety
Future violations of the Twitter Rules, including our Civic Integrity or Violent Threats policies, will result in permanent suspension of the @realDonaldTrump account.

During the brawl a Capitol Police officer shot an unarmed woman. She was a pro-Trump veteran. Trump and his supporters will unreasonably be blamed for that.

Alastair Crooke has called this America's epiphany moment:

The blanketing canopy pressing down across the globe of TINA (there is no alternative) is rupturing. The fabric is tearing at the seams. Now, with the U.S. courts having abdicated their role in adjudicating suits in connection with the 3rd November election, it seems that President Trump will make a last effort to change the course of events between 6–20 January (inauguration day). At point of writing, some 140 Republican Representatives say they will challenge the outcome of certain elections on 6 January. Whether this challenge will succeed (in all its dimensions) is moot.

What then? Well, Red America – whether rightly or wrongly – sees that 20 January may prove to be ‘the end of the line’ for them. Eight out of ten Republicans believe the election stolen; that the crucial Georgia Senatorial race likely will be ‘stolen’ too; that the destruction of small and mid-sized businesses through lockdown was a premeditated strategy to further consolidate Big Business Oligarchs; and that ultimately Red Americans will face ‘cancellation’ by an incoming woke ‘soft-totalitarianism’, orchestrated by Big Tech. This is their perspective – their Epiphany revelation. It is, to say the least, bleak.
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Yes, many American (and western) myths about American identity and politics lie shattered on the ground. Many still are in a state of shock. They had imagined their elections as somehow sacrosanct. They had imagined the courts as arbitrators. And they never imagined to see a U.S. President ridiculed and humiliated so, by the MSM. Reality has arrived as a slap in the face.

And yes – TINA is over; a market for alternatives is now open for business.
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But much more than this, the tear to that oppressive TINA canopy allows other civilisational-states assertively to reject criticisms, or policies, which have been weaponised against their value-systems. If Red America can utterly reject woke values, and vice versa, then why should other civilisations not reject western Enlightenment values?

This has been coming for a while.

It will only intensify.

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UPDATE: President Trump BANNED Pence’s Chief of Staff From the White House – Not Allowed on WH Grounds

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/report-president-trump-told-pences-chief-staff-not-welcome-white-house-today/

Will Pence be next to go?

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 5:51 utc | 1

If this was the nakedcapitalism web site I would have no question about what the TINA referenced (private finance) but in this posting I am not so sure that is so clear.

How can America have an epiphany moment about the mythological left/right when top/bottom is the reality that TINA should be all about?

Since the global private finance elite can't start a global war they have to resort to manufactured civil warfare to keep the masses under control and brainwashed against the private finance TINA.

A shit show civil war to keep focus off the real TINA of global private finance......and b wants to call that style.....


Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 7 2021 5:59 utc | 2

not sure what to make of this. it's about the guy with the buffalo hat. otherwise, it is a lovely quiet night here in los angeles for me though.

from hang the censors

Hum. I made a cool HTML link, but when I previewed it, it didn't work. here is the raw link. I hope it doesn't mess up circe or mark2's enjoyment of MoA.

https://www.hangthecensors.com/487190.html

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 7 2021 6:15 utc | 3

Day one of the second American revolution. The lady martyr, a 14 year air force veteran will be a rallying cry to bring down the corrupt swamp. The next confrontation will see the politicians hide in the bunker and those that do not it make will have an awakening. The rumble is on. As Pepe says, the deplorables will become the ungovernables. The real red necks from the intermountain west were not represented. They will be there next time and angry.

Posted by: Nev | Jan 7 2021 6:26 utc | 4

@3 lex talionis

Actually your usage of the html was perfect, but the URL you put in was wrong - the extra slash ("/") at the end was not something the server could resolve into the precise URL without the slash. [sorry, little web server, don't mean to give you headaches, just trying to do the right thing here.]

You, lex, did everything right - wanted you to know that. It's important that you cared enough to try not to make waves - and oh yeah, just imagine if your link had screwed the format at comment number 3 of the first page on a huge issue - wow ;)

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 7 2021 6:27 utc | 5

@ b who wrote about some later quoted Trump statements
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Explain to me how the above quotes are a breach of 'civic integrity'? What, please, is that?
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Read Trump's earlier stuff from Reuters
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The chaos in the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday unfolded after President Donald Trump spent weeks whipping up his supporters with false allegations of fraud in the Nov. 3 election, culminating in a call to march to the building that represents U.S. democracy.

Trump, who has refused to concede his loss to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, had urged his supporters multiple times to come to Washington for a rally on Wednesday, the day the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate were scheduled to certify the results of the Electoral College.

“Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election,” Trump, a Republican, tweeted on Dec. 20. “Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”

They turned out in the thousands and heard the president urge them to march on the Capitol building to express their anger at the voting process and to pressure their elected officials to reject the results.

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and Congressmen and women,” Trump told the crowd, speaking with the White House as a backdrop.

Appearing at what could be his last rally as the sitting president, Trump exhorted his supporters “to fight.”

“We will never give up, we will never concede,” Trump said, delighting the crowd by calling Democratic victories the product of what he called “explosions of bullshit.”

“Bullshit! Bullshit! Bullshit!” people chanted in reply.

Trump has sought for weeks to thwart a peaceful transfer of power, aided by groups like "Stop the Steal," which promoted stopthesteal.us the day's protest and peddled false claims about voter fraud on Facebook and other social media.

Wednesday’s events were the culmination of those efforts. About 50 minutes into the speech, some of his supporters, waving Trump flags, began heading toward Capitol Hill, where unprecedented mayhem ensued.
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Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 7 2021 6:31 utc | 6


Good analysis/observations b. Here's what Steve Bannon's MAGA war-room had to say on today's events...

https://youtu.be/RpjMAwMsuLw

"...What people need to understand is that there's a growing sense among the Deplorables that they've been betrayed not only by their political leaders, but the very institutions that were designed theoretically to protect their liberties."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Jan 7 2021 6:33 utc | 7

The election was stolen.

The fraud was blatant, in your face. The election process, the only peaceful means for a transfer of power according to the wishes of the electorate is seen as fatally undermined by a significant portion of the electorate.

SCOTUS washed their hands of it.

So if their votes don’t count and the highest court in the land won’t remedy the situation then the only alternative is either dissolve the union or a radical overhaul of the union. Personally I don’t think the latter will ever happen.

The only question is will the dissolution of the union be peaceful or violent!

Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2021 6:36 utc | 8

So, there's this classic double-speak bully logic that Bernie doesn't seem to like when, say, Israel or Turkey runs it in the Middle East:
"We did nothing!" -> average Americans visiting the public spac to express their opinion, without vandalizing a single thing, surely
"But they deserved it!" -> globalist elite HK'ers not being respectful enough to their righteous governement

Posted by: Lola | Jan 7 2021 6:39 utc | 9

If folks want to see some of the uglier pictures from the Capitol building invasion today go to
https://www.readingthepictures.org/

You get to see a gallows with hangman noose and a guy walking off with a podium.....I expect there will be more

The shit show continues

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 7 2021 6:51 utc | 10

@5 grieved - whew, thank you for the support. i try not to make waves. i try to use proper HTML. i enjoy your posts. the puppet show is getting kind of interesting now! Maybe Vickie handed out some cookies and everyone in DC is on a sugar high!
I heard she's back in town. Geoff must still be in Greece.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 7 2021 6:51 utc | 11

Watch today Jan 6, 2021, A Historical event with Iraqi taste in Capitol Hill

Posted by: arata | Jan 7 2021 6:52 utc | 12

Full text of Trumps speech at Jan 6 2021 DC Save America rally:

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

[~75 min long speech--no added color commentary or spin]

I'm sure video of his full speech can also be found with a little searching on internet.

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 6:52 utc | 13

I've seen a lot of comments over the years calling things "theater', but I never felt compelled the use the word until this event.

I'm only just gathering pieces of the forensic deconstruction, but this thing is fishy as hell. In fact, I'm not even opening my eyes much to this one, because the smell alone gives it all away.

I learned about this a few hours ago in a Zoom business meeting, and the lady is talking about someone shot and died - she was laying this at Trump's door - and I looked up RT and got the story that the police shot her. But how do people get into the Capitol building anyway, that has to be super hardened - and of course it already looks like the security let them in, and everything else follows and falls into place from that.

[And then a guy enters my meeting and says Putin is celebrating and I had to deal with that bullshit for a minute. Lord, deliver me from brainwashed America, especially when they're my colleagues - but fuck 'em, actually, because the power has passed from their side and they don't know that, but they can feel the difference. No one needs to bother to explain to them, but even if they don't know, they can feel that you don't care, and they have no ground to stand on - so yes, we have moved on in the information space, in case you wondered.]

So the rest is pretty obvious, and pretty lame...and it's worth waiting a day or two to gather all the forensics in some reviews of this obvious false flag. I imagine b will have more in a day or two. It's a strange and pathetic brainwash here, that will undoubtedly work its way on many millions, and work its other way on many other millions. Divide and rule.

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And apparently the Jews have discarded Trump and thrown him to the wolves. I'm searching for the link but I guess it's from a comment in one of the Saker threads - can't find it now - but the US organization of...something or other but definitely and formally representing Jews and their political influence in the US, has said this is unacceptable and perhaps they're even standing behind impeachment or treason charges, I'm not sure.

So that's the kiss of death, and we get to watch the sacrifice now.

And this is where the CIA learned how to treat its assets. The bend-over-backwardness of Trump to appease the Israelis was so pronounced that they had to despise him for his subservience. Everyone hates a toady. They had to throw him away, being careful not to let any of him get on their shoe. Nothing says a person was appeasing the Zionists so much as how forcefully they discard that person when used up.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 7 2021 6:59 utc | 14

American Jewish in Congress wish to impeach Trump!

Donald Trump encouraged his supporters to protest Congress. Today's anarchy is the result. We want stable democracy. The Cabinet should consider applying the 25th amendment to immediately remove Trump from office to end this incitement against our democracy.

Posted by: arata | Jan 7 2021 7:07 utc | 15

@lex talionis | Jan 7 2021 6:15 utc | 3

Thanks for that interesting link...

but worrying...How long before our "six ways from Sunday" 3-letter operatives do a Maidan do-over [ie. snipers shooting at both sides from concealed positions] during future DC donnybrooks?

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 7:16 utc | 16

If you click the "bigger" version of the first image of this post, and then look at the person in the sofa with a fox on his head. What about his chest saying "police" and holding a police shield?

https://www.moonofalabama.org/11i/capitol2.jpg

This stinks.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 7:18 utc | 17

I dunno why we're even discussing this obvious kayfabe.
I doubt even orangeutan has convinced himself he was robbed - sounds too much like loser talk, but he knows that his claim to have been robbed had to be underlined by something unforgettable to keep momentum up for 2024.
He's succeeded, the fishwraps have sold out and the TV corporations got more eyeballs on their lame commercials that they have since election day.

Good show all round what, the rich all trousered a few kazillion more dollars whilst nothing meaningfully different occuring has caused corporate amerika a second of lost sleep.

They all grab the dough no worries, still not comprehending that considering the world just in terms of the next quarter is a mug's game, that pretty soon any thinker who looks beyond that will trounce them - cos right now while they giggle from seeing next quarter's numbers, they don't comprehend that using a strategy of immediate gratification when going up against those cultures (esp Persian, Chinese & Amerindian cultures) who see a century as being the blink of an eye, is suicidally stupid.

Amerika is going into a civil war that will tear it apart. All the rest of us need do is lay in the pallets of popcorn.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 7 2021 7:20 utc | 18

American Jewish in Congress wish to impeach Trump.


Donald Trump encouraged his supporters to protest Congress. Today's anarchy is the result. We want stable democracy.

The Cabinet should consider applying the 25th amendment to immediately remove Trump from office to end this incitement against our democracy.


https://twitter.com/AJCongress/status/1346927012154396674

Posted by: arata | Jan 7 2021 7:21 utc | 19

@ Debsisdead | Jan 7 2021 7:20 utc | 18 who wrote
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Amerika is going into a civil war that will tear it apart. All the rest of us need do is lay in the pallets of popcorn.
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Agreed, but as an American who is a top/bottom realist type, who am I going to be killed by, the left or right?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 7 2021 7:25 utc | 20

What to think what to feel?

US rocked by the very stunts they pull on other nations, lol, but the Great Disruptor is to leave office, oh well, but he definitely tried to legitimaize the settler state, dolt, but he didn't go to war in Syria, pretty good considering the US track record, but the Democrats will take over - shock, but they'll destroy the US Dollar which is overdue, but they'll be goaded to war! With who? Maybe Iran. The real story though is - food security and wealth preservation. All else is illusions of yesterday. Good luck. Don't protest in Washington. The real power lies elsewhere.

Posted by: Jezabeel | Jan 7 2021 7:29 utc | 21

@17 norwegian

At the line of contact with protestors, barricades and riot shields often become objects in a tug-of-war between cops and protesters. Nothing new that one managed to swipe one away from the police during the fun.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jan 7 2021 7:33 utc | 22

@psychohistorian | Jan 7 2021 7:25 utc | 20

Agreed, but as an American who is a top/bottom realist type, who am I going to be killed by, the left or right?

Use this opportunity to finally kill the false left/right paradigm. There is no left. There is only top vs. down.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 7:33 utc | 23

Thanks b for reminding us of how the Western mainstream media all presented Hong Kong rioters and thugs as "peaceful pro-democracy protesters," despite months upon months of ample violent video evidence to the contrary (which they of course never aired because it didn't fit their narrative directives.)

Yet the Western mainstream media now somehow characterize these relatively far more peaceful pro-democracy protesters in Washington as "thugs" and "mobs", and of course their protests about election fraud concerns are all labeled by the media (again, as if by directive,) as "baseless" and "unsubstantiated" without any investigations into them.

Meanwhile, our media has repeatedly demonstrated that it has absolutely no problem wth reporting unsubstantiated claims as fact when it fits their directed narratives. (ex. White Helmets, Navalny, Uighurs, etc.)

Belarus was another example of our media's blatant double standards.

Thanks too for the reminder that Pelosi gushed "It is a beautiful sight to behold."

This line from Biden probably provoked a guffaw from most the world: "An assault on the citadel of liberty".

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Jan 7 2021 7:34 utc | 24

Wonderful comments so far but the thread may have been won already by the comment by Arctic_Fox over at Smoothie:

"A banana republic, if you can keep it." Apologies to Benjamin Franklin.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 7 2021 7:45 utc | 25

@16 - gm

It is worrying. I would suggest to avoid crowds.

I'm trying to keep my gallows humor.

If we follow the Maidan / Gene Sharp playbook, though, we will need our first sacrificial victim.

Maidan's first victim

They aren't that organized in the US to set up a revolution. We lack a US embassy.

I agree with Grieved that Orange Man Bad will experience his peripeteia. He was only some half rate shegetz in their opinion.

With so many anti orange man people who have shown up lately, I am surprised Woody Guthrie's song about Orange Man's father hasn't been posted. This one's for you Mark2, you muppet tosser! Work on your spelling, too. ( or grow a pear )

Ain't got no home / The Ballad of Old Man Trump


Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 7 2021 7:52 utc | 26

Even in the recent election for the Georgia senate there were "irregularities". Two places have stated that "thousands" used their addresses as "residence", and demanded ballots. One is connected to Emmaus, on Twitter, don't know if I can still find a reference. 4'700 votes have been mentioned elsewhere. Not a lot but it does indicate problems.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jan 7 2021 7:52 utc | 27

Good post that calls out the hypocritical way the establishment media responds to civic unrest. When it happens in an “adversarial” country it’s all about freedom and democracy (Hong Kong, color revolutions) but when it happens in a “friendly” country it is ignored (yellow vests) or denounced in no uncertain terms (the Capitol riot).

However, B’s defense of Trump makes no sense. Tiny hands Trump egging on his supporters with inflammatory rhetoric about the “stolen” election and “taking back” the country but then when they storm the chambers of government telling them to “go home” in the name of law and order is completely cowardly.

Trump is nothing but an egotistical wannabe mobster/strong man who gets off on agitating his followers from afar. He’s a LARPer who would shit his pants in a situation where he is faced with physical violence. The fact that such a blatant clown has so many people projecting their hopes and ideals onto him shows how far America has fallen.

What no MSM commentator dares say is that the United States is unravelling in real time, live on the internet for all the world to see. The United States is turning into a failed state yet the media pretends it’s just a matter of one crazy guy (Trump) and his nasty supporters. (Those Russian Fakebook memes sure are powerful!) They can’t say what anyone with half a brain knows: that decades of economic mismanagement and a history of imperial overreach are destroying the United States from the inside out. There is no honest or sober analysis of the issues at play. The media only cares about clicks and propaganda and its inability to report the truth reflects that.

The chickens are coming home to roost and until the American leadership class recognizes the dire straits the country is in, the chaos will continue and scapegoats will be found.

Posted by: Dork | Jan 7 2021 7:53 utc | 28

Re: "Who am I going to be killed by, the left or right?"

-psychohistorian | Jan 7 2021 7:25 utc | 20

Well, my guess is some element of our own "Gain of Function" government will likely find a way to do in the useless ones and the troublemakers first. And then there will be unavoidable collateral damage...so sorry.

And the more conspiracy-minded among us might even wonder if they have already taken some 400K of us off the stage (~same as # of US soldiers killed in WW2) on the past year, thru their 'Shock Doctrine' manipulation of covid pandemic.

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 8:07 utc | 29

The self-styled World's Leading Democracy, the United States of America, is demonstrating what Freedom and Democracy are really about: political insurrections, storming the US Capitol, and dead protestors/civilians.

I suspect these types of revolts will engulf other so-called capitalist democracies like the massive farmers' rebellion that has consumed India, the World's Largest (Hindu Apartheid) Democracy, or in Israel, the Only (Zionist Apartheid) Democracy in the Middle East.

Grab your popcorn.

The Great Unravelling has begun.

Posted by: ak74 | Jan 7 2021 8:14 utc | 30

The similarities between Marcus Antonius' funeral oration on the death of Julius Ceasar and Donald Trump's oration to the 'mob'on the death of American democratic institutions are fascinating. He came to bury not to praise, and by artful sophistry, incited the mob to violence while urging them to refrain from it. As the great populist that he is, he is responsible for inciting the clashes at the Capitol, and some would say the resultant damage to property, injuries and deaths are 'blood on his hands'. Yesterday's events have only served to bring to the surface the underlying issues of the American Civil Divide which unfortunately no US political group, party or ideology seem prepared to address. The consequences for America and the world shall be immense.

Posted by: Spyros Politis | Jan 7 2021 8:35 utc | 31

Speculations for this moving toward civil war may be prescient, but I would predict a "managed" one if it happens, not one that devolves into a 90's Yugoslav scenario. Keep the masses fighting tribe vs. tribe and their attention away from deeper issues of money and power. "Shock Doctrine" therapy sold as necessary to hold back the Barbarians...look for even greater censorship of dissenting views. If the proles won't stick to the script, the time-honored tradition of engaging in a new war may be employed.

Dangerous time for false-flag fuckery on both domestic and foreign fronts, hope we can keep our antennas tuned as well as our heads thinking clearly.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 7 2021 9:02 utc | 32

The show is over ... but must go on.

Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Electoral Certification:

Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our...
...fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!

The Trump2024 campaign has begun.

Posted by: b | Jan 7 2021 9:12 utc | 33

Trump has his faults, but his presidency has highlighted some facts. That if the president says "attack", they send in the bombers. If the president says "withdraw", nothing happens. And if Twitter and Facebook delete the messages of the president of the United States, then what freedom of expression does a normal citizen have?

Posted by: passerby | Jan 7 2021 9:27 utc | 34

For those that might not of seen Biden's address earlier:

WATCH LIVE: Biden speaks as Electoral College vote count paused for protesters at the Capitol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1LZYRDmjTA (8:30 min)

[It is worth watching all the way thru to the end]

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 9:28 utc | 35

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 7 2021 6:59 utc | 14

And now, a short message from our masters

Posted by: Mao | Jan 7 2021 9:35 utc | 36

Awoke this morning to an epiphany: What a banana plutocratic oligarchy looks like. From the times of the founding a phrase still rings - The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots - and that could still serve the public well still. Discard all personally held ideologic grudges for those who lost their lives, look upon them as patriots wether you agree with them or not. What their stories were will not be widely known, give them the benefit of innocence until their stories are known. Had that been you, wouldn't that be fitting as well?

Whatever actually transpired this 2020 election will never be known by those witnessing. Sometime in the future, historians may be able to asses the events; now political emotions have driven rationality into exile, balance thwarted, judgment impaired. None alive would qualify for jury duty on the question(s). Fifty years will likely not be sufficient for seating such a jury to determine the facts - should the information needed survive the period.

Now to return to read the commentary - and mourn the loss of whatever innocence there might have been; the path now chosen.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Jan 7 2021 9:36 utc | 37

From Zerohedge:

This Is The Exact Moment Ashli Babbitt Was Shot While Storming The Capitol

Posted by: gm | Jan 7 2021 9:50 utc | 38

The Saker: Mind blowing hypocrisy!

Posted by: Mao | Jan 7 2021 9:50 utc | 39

what I love about FB and Twitter censoring Trump "to preserve democracy and prevent violence" is that when similar events happen everyday in what Trump calls BS countries, the social media pretend that they have no power to suppress the messages inciting to killing or racism... and no one in the MSM establishment protest ....

Posted by: Mina | Jan 7 2021 9:59 utc | 40

Jimmy Dore questions how easily the protesters were let inside the Capitol by the police
Capitol Stormed by Protestors! Trump's Twitter Suspended!

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 10:15 utc | 41

Biden should be able to easily handle this situation. He has experience from Maidan in Ukraine. All that is missing is the part where they were shooting both sides from the rooftops. Or is it?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 10:20 utc | 42

Well that was easy, so easy as to show how unimportant it was.

Where does these "representatives" and "senators" feel safe? It was funny reading the (false afaik) rumor about them being evacuated to military bases where their location would be far beyond top secret and the keys lost within hours.

Meanwhile Trump is being ignored by parts of "the government" (and censored by puny low-tech "brogrammer" companies that are the digital equivalent of passing notes in class) while parts of "the government" don't even bother talking to Guaido Biden, the president-to-be of "something".

Demand free bananas for everyone! Banana for all! #b4A :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 7 2021 10:39 utc | 43

Trump Supporters or "crisis actors"? Don't believe anything being reportd in the U.S. Where are all the pallets of bricks and ninja outfits?

Posted by: par4 | Jan 7 2021 10:52 utc | 44

I really find it difficult to believe that the duoploy would steal an election from itself. What we are seeing is a continuation and acceleration of the oligarch coup against the US people.

More and more rights and protections, as well as wealth have been removed from the people in the US and globally. In the US, roughly starting with the Clinton admin and Glass Steagall. Then through the Bush and the Patriot Act, followed by the looting of the plebs after the 2008 "crash", down through the war profiteering at the expense of the taxpayer, more looting by the banksters to the COVID heists by the oligarchs and the lockdowns extracting wealth from small business and people trying to make a livling. We see blackmail and the curtailing of the freedom of movement through COVID "passports" and "social distancing", profiting big tech.

All distractions from war to "racism", to "culture wars" to "party politics". All to ensure that the rich get richer and the rest of us continue to enrich these parasites at our own expense. What a racket!

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Jan 7 2021 11:09 utc | 45

[...] then why should other civilisations not reject western Enlightenment values?

This phrase is wrong. Modern Western liberalism doesn't descend from Enlightenment. It descends from vulgar economics, which was a separate string of thought that existed parallel with the Enlightenment current of economics (Political Economy). After Marx's critique of Political Economy, the bourgeoisie effectively gave up Reason (the cornerstone of Enlightenment) and started to feed religious-mysticism (vulgar economics, the death of philosophy, nazifascism etc. etc.).

The most you could say is that Western Democracy is an ossification of some old Enlightenment structures of State (e.g. separation of power in three branches, the parliament etc.).

The only ideology/economic theory in existence nowadays that is undoubtedly a direct descendant of the Enlightenment is Marxism - which would make modern China one of its last remnants, ironically.

Posted by: vk | Jan 7 2021 11:21 utc | 46

par4 if all those people are actors they're better than anything out of Hollywood, especially the guy with the brilliant smile lugging Nancy Pelosi's lectern around. Have a look at that and the pictures of the "lawmakers" with their plastic bin bag style gas masks, it's god damn hilarious :D

Too bad anyone got hurt and died but considering the amount of guns and ammunition and hostility/anger they all basically just walked in. Not even a weekend in Chicago.

What they did prove is "the government" (and media etc.) deserves no respect.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jan 7 2021 11:22 utc | 47

Who’s this TINA then? Some high end escort that sleeps around with the Davos crowd?

Posted by: Beibdnn | Jan 7 2021 11:30 utc | 48

Thanks B.
Good article.

Posted by: Josh | Jan 7 2021 11:51 utc | 49

> These people are true believers who strongly feel that they have been wronged.

That sounds to me as if B. is stating the there is either zero proof of such or that the evidence is so contradictory that no statement can be given - as why else would he call them believers?

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 11:52 utc | 50

vk #46
- Modernism and Post-Modernism don't descend from Enlightenment?
- Didn't you forget to mention, that after Marx's critique the workers gave up religion/philosophy in the name of ultimate reason? (which then quickly turned to 'vulgar reasoning')
- China is still Marxist today, not just in name but in practice??

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 11:59 utc | 51

The Left doesn't have a monopoly of virtual signaling. We are a morally bankrupt society so, I guess, virtual signaling is the best we can do. Certainly see it all the time online! The next American Revolution has been a virtual revolution. You can bet our rulers love that! Almost as much as they love peaceful protesters. How many peaceful protesters were at Bunker Hill in 1776?

I have said in the past that the most effective way to deal with the warmongers is targeted assassination. No, throwing a shoe at Bush isn't the same thing. The warmongers have an Imelda Marcos shoe fetish. Throw shoes at them and you get 15 more years of warmongering. They might as well have gone barefoot at the Capitol yesterday. It was just more virtual signaling. Look at me, I care about America! It achieved nothing. Now if Pence had been assassinated after approving the vote...that would get the real powerbrokers attention.

Don't get me wrong, who the corrupt leader of the USA is doesn't matter much. However practically every country in western society has been turned into a Lockdown Nation. A natural progression from destroying foreign countries to destroying our own. This is the real fight - for our free society. When there is no legislative nor judicial check on a government's power then they can do almost anything. At this point, there is only one way to force them to moderate their behavior. No, it's not voting them out of office(more virtual signaling). It is letting them know they they put their lives at risk if they continue to power trip.

Back to the US issue. I suppose Biden has completed his training and is finished lording it over all the cock roaches in his basement. Now he gets to rule, what he regards as, 350 million cock roaches.

Posted by: EoinW | Jan 7 2021 11:59 utc | 52

This is our reward for heckling the 'intelligence agencies' after Trump's vanguard bought Hillary's Broom for display purposes only, nothing to see there. Biden is now mayor of munchkinland. Still can't figure out who is 'Great Oz'.

When the going gets tuff, I listen to Frank Zappa and George Carlin, in that order while chopping onions. Sleep well my pretties, I know I will.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Jan 7 2021 12:16 utc | 53

@ Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 11:59 utc | 51

It depends on what your definition of "modernism" is.

The working class in the West did not give up religion after Marx. On the contrary: the CIA actively operated to strengthen Christianism (which would eventually give birth to the megachurchs, during the 1970s-1980s) with an explicit goal of fighting Marxism. America, nowadays, is more religious than ever.

Postmodernism (1975-present) is definitely a post-Enlightenment era. The question here is only when Enlightenment really died: before or after postmodernism. Postmodernism is a typically Western (and post-Soviet, in the case of the ex-USSR republics) phenomenon, so I'm discarding China et al here.

Posted by: vk | Jan 7 2021 12:25 utc | 54

Yeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, I think we are there now.

Well, I guess lying your ass off all the time has its limitations as a form of governance.

Since the "deplorables" have been loyally voting for this shit right along, I think it's a good thing if they have finally understood where they really are living, and I am totally with them on that. About time for the "deplorables" in the UK to wake up too, I think.

Trump however, needs to keep in mind that it is a very dangerous thing to wise up a chump.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 7 2021 12:31 utc | 55

It's too late now, but a "win-win" solution might have been for Congress to certify Juan Guaido as President.

That way, Trump would be replaced by his (or maybe it's Pence's) protege, and the wokesters would have their first latino head of state. And of course in politics, other than one's identity, what the hell else matters?

Who says there isn't a way to reconcile red and blue America?

Posted by: expat | Jan 7 2021 12:37 utc | 56

A key to distinguishing what is organic from what is manufactured by the establishment/Deep State/big business ruling elites is to parse the mass media narrative. The narrative about events that is accepted by the public is more important than the events themselves.

All last year we were treated to the spectacle of violent riots complete with arson, looting, and senseless assaults which the corporate mass media very insistently labeled as "protests", legitimizing and inciting the behavior of the rioters. All headlines for articles on the events included the word "protest" and the word was repeated multiple times throughout each article to pound the point into the reader's mind. From this we can see that last year's riots were aligned with the agenda of the establishment/Deep State/big business. It is not essential to understanding of this alignment to be able to prove that the establishment/Deep State/big business organized and financed the riots with professional event organizers and free marketing, but it is useful to know that big business has the tools to accomplish this and regularly uses those tools to sell products and brands. Using those tools to build narratives to restructure society into a form that is more profitable for the establishment/Deep State/big business is a no-brainer.

Now scan the news aggregator sites just for the headlines and assemble a ratio of the use of the words "protest" or "protesters" to the use of the terms "riot" or "rioters". The narrative that the establishment/Deep State/big business is trying to build about the events in DC should stand out rather starkly. The establishment/Deep State/big business are deliberately delegitimizing the protests.

To understand just how extremely inverted the use of the terms are that the establishment/Deep State/big business are using to try and build their narratives note that yesterday's "riots" did not involve arson, looting, or violence, and they occurred in broad daylight. In each of these points the "Fiery but Peaceful Protests" of last year are in complete and diametric opposition.

Finally, how do we know that the election was fraudulent just from the establishment/Deep State/big business narrative-building? This should be so obvious to readers that it abrades their credulity. Every single mention in the mass media of the fraudulent nature of the elections is immediately and without exception preceded by "unsubstantiated" or "unfounded", regardless of what substantiation or foundation is provided. The mass media is doing the hard-sell on this narrative because they are entirely complicit in the election fraud. If the disagreement were over evolution versus creation, or anthropogenic global warming versus just weather, or the Earth being flat or spherical, the corporate mass media would meticulously walk a center position between the issues to avoid the appearance of bias, even when evidence is overwhelming for one position or the other. Now on the issue of the election of the leader of the "Free World©" they throw that effort at impartiality to the wind? Yeah, right!

Whether there will be a civil war now depends upon the stoicism of the "Deplorables". Without someone like Trump in a position like President that makes him impervious to being "cancelled" and silenced there will be nothing disempowering and subverting with ridicule the psychological assault by the establishment/Deep State/big business on the population. The soporific "wokeness" that will be forced on the population by the establishment/Deep State/big business will now be largely unopposed except by the "Deplorables" as isolated individuals. All of the institutions that the establishment controls, from schools to the mass media to workplace rules, will be used to bludgeon the "Deplorables" into submission. Will they be able to pull together, organize and mount a resistance? Probably not, but it will be fascinating to see what spirit the American people have left!

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 7 2021 12:40 utc | 57

the protests were protests over brutal murders by government thugs. crime bill joe was hardly a supporter, both parties love using the cops to kill lower class people. this latest was a riot, and some of the cops were quite friendly with the rioters. no skulls broken, nobody killed till they actually started attacking cops, at which point the government thugs started acting like their training would suggest.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 12:49 utc | 58

Mohamad Safa, the Lebanese Permanent Representative to the United Nations: "If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States to liberate the United States from the tyranny of the United States."

Oh the Schadenfreude....

Though I can't work out if this was the season finale, or the pilot episode....

...A reality show masquerading as a country

Posted by: A.L. | Jan 7 2021 12:52 utc | 59

b, I value your work, particularly your monitoring of the effort of the Borg to jack up tensions with Russia, China, and Iran.

But your defense of Trump by taking seriously his statement urging his supporters to be peaceful sounds like the sort of dupe-consciousness you diligently expose. Trump had been urging his supporters into a confrontation with, in his claim, a coup against him. His willingness to encourage and at least tacitly condone violence by his supporters has been a constant feature of his rule. This fits with reports that he resisted calling in the National Guard to block his supporters. Taking seriously his attempt to weasel out of responsibility, a Bart Simpsonesque "I didn't do it" denial, shows you bending over backwards to try to turn attention back to his opposition. No. They didn't set him up, he set himself up.

As for the protestor who was killed, she and her allies had successfully created not only a moment of defiance, but a moment of jeopardy. Officers charged with protecting the country's highest officials, finding themselves on the other side of a barricade that can potentially fail, aware that some protestors may be armed, are going to violently err on the side of caution. They weren't protecting "symbols" that can be repaired, they thought they had to protect lives. Calling her an "unarmed protestor" is rote and naive on your part.

Posted by: dadooronron | Jan 7 2021 12:52 utc | 60

My first post (to not have comments that are overly lengthy) on Capitol hill.

1. The Capitol Hill storming shows to even the most apolitical, low-IQ person that America and its politics is dysfunctional and is going through a crisis.

2. The military and GOP establishment are against Trump, the ground level Republicans and right wing (deplorables) are with Trump. Whether Trump starts his own party or media remains to be seen, whether he runs in 2024 (if not imprisoned, tried for any offence ranging from violations of political office, financial irregularities etc) or passes the baton on to one of his children or some pro-Trump republican remains to be seen.

3. This is just a prelude to greater instability in the US and tension between red and blue America possibly culminating in an outbreak of nation-wide violence, riots and clashes resulting in an agreement on a 'blue'- 'red' divorce.

These clashes, riots, violence I suspect will happen in the mid-2020s could be called a 'civil war' but rather than two conventional standing armies fighting each other it will be more along the lines of what we see now but x 5-10.

- BLM riots
- Capitol Hill storming
- Charlottesville
- 2017 baseball shooting of congressmen

4. Whether red and blue America decide to preserve the advantages of a global military force and the reserve dollar confer upon them and share that whilst also politically being two 'different' countries and how that square can be circled remains to be seen.

5. If separation does happen (already a friend of Trump and the head of the Republicans in the 2nd biggest state in the Union, Texas, Allen West has alluded to it) the question is would it be

a: state by state?
b: county by county?
c: Something in between but possibly messy and involving clashes.

State by state red-blue divorce is relatively 'neat' as all states have recognised borders, administrative structures and apparatus as well as identity.

However would the red northern counties of California want to be part of a permanently blue California which is becoming more and more Hispanic year by year? I doubt it.

One thing is indisputable though, the US is in crisis...but what some don't realise, this is just a picnic compared to what lies in store.

Posted by: Muslim_Dude | Jan 7 2021 12:55 utc | 61

vk #54
>America, nowadays, is more religious than ever.

Yeah right, for example they built 200 new churches over the last 10 years in greater New York area alone!
Oh wait that was actually Москва area.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 12:58 utc | 62

@ 57 William Gruff

Brilliant summation of the full-court press being applied by the media.

It's so overwhelming I find myself wondering if others who are less used to being skeptical of the official narrative won't pick up on it.

I mean, how many times do they have to say things like "totally unproven" and "unsubstantiated" in every sentence before people start to think that they're being treated like idiots?

Posted by: expat | Jan 7 2021 12:59 utc | 63

Posted by: arata | Jan 7 2021 6:52 utc | 12

Thank you. I enjoyed that. And still two more weeks until Trump is not President any more.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 7 2021 13:03 utc | 64

2nd comment, this time on foreign affairs.

1. Biden/Harris regime will attempt to restore some form of 'Pax Americana' on the global stage and will fail to do so. More and more states realise the weakness of the US and are creating their own local regional security structures in concert with the major powers of that region e.g. China, Russia etc.

2. The US is still the most powerful country in the world and has the huge amount of power or clout to get half of the Arab world to recognise and normalise relations with Israel e.g. Morocco, UAE, Sudan etc. So we should not be dismissive of the fact that it is still and will be for the next few years the most powerful country in the world.

3. Having said that even the US establishment or a wing of it e.g. Trump/Pompeo etc know the US empire is over e.g. the US is essentially absent in:
- Libya
- Turkey's struggle for eastern Mediterranean maritime waters which has involved tension with Greece, Egypt EU states etc (US is quiet on this).
- south China sea, local ASEAN states know that China is the main power and has to be worked with.
- Caucacsus e.g Armenia, Azerbaijan conflict where the US was essentially a non-player.


4. Vicky - F**k the EU - Nuland is being brought back by Biden in to the state department, the key figure behind Maidan 2014. However American adventurism in the Ukraine will fail as Putin has secured Crimea permanently for Russia, will never give up the Donbass, the once glittery EU which held such allure for pro-west Ukranians is now seen as a failing organisation, jaded and a shadow of itself.

5. US will do nothing against Venezuela.
6. US will carry out no military action against Iran and may see a resumption to Obama era deal-making with Tehran.

So Biden/Harris will try to be more aggressive in foreign policy and promote pax Americana and things like Globo-Homo, LBGT and possibly paedophilia which some in the US and other parts of the left in the west support, they are going to fail in the long run. If the US does break up in the mid-2020s it's obviously the end of pax-Americana.

Posted by: Muslim_Dude | Jan 7 2021 13:03 utc | 65

William Gruff #57

Outstanding analysis and comment.
Thank you very much!

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 13:04 utc | 66

when people start off by referring to "blm riots" without mentioning the role of the cops in causing and exacerbating them in the first place you know they are dishonest. cops killing civilians is just another example of what happens when the empires soldiers (see the collateral murder video) come home and get jobs as cops.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 13:13 utc | 67

@ Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 12:58 utc | 62

Religion was strong enough in America to elect, alone, a Vice-President (Mike Pence). We all know Pence wasn't Trump's first choice, so I don't understand why you're playing the innocent here.

And I included the post-Soviet space under the post-Enlightenment umbrella.

Posted by: vk | Jan 7 2021 13:14 utc | 68

dadooronron #60

Excellent trolling!

I mean we all know you cannot call any unarmed protestor an "unarmed protestor"
because "some protestors may be armed"!

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 13:15 utc | 69

vk #68
So you're trying to convey that Trump won (in 2016?) only because of Pence who attracted the religious?
And everybody knows that so I'm playing the innocent here??

I mean that's just "baffle them with bullschiff" argumentation.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 13:20 utc | 70

In Dmitry Orlov’s irreverent style addressing a very serious topic:

And this brings us to the final traditional part of the year-end report: the forecast. According to our Satanist friends at Deagel.com (lovely understated Satanic logo, by the way, kudos to the designers!) by 2025 the United States will lose 70% of its population, 92% of its real GDP and its economy will be slightly smaller than that of Mexico. Meanwhile, China will remain the world's largest economy, growing slightly, while Russia and India will skyrocket to rank second and third. The world rankings will look quite different. Germany will find itself somewhere between Chile and South Africa. Switzerland and the United Kingdom (should this silly anachronism still exist) will rank somewhere between Slovakia and Greece. The Swedes will be poorer than the Romanians... and so on. The world is changing before our eyes and nothing will ever be the same.

World Satanic Society 2020 Year-End Report

Posted by: Down South | Jan 7 2021 13:22 utc | 71

it is indeed inconvenient for the cops when their victims are not armed, that is why they carried throwdown guns or developed the technique of turning off the body cams and planting weapons on the bodies of their victims. phone cameras have done more to expose these thugs than investigative journalists.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 13:25 utc | 72

In reply to William Gruff @57

Well said. Trollhunters are improving the art now. Soporific? Nobody talks like that, well maybe Tolkien, but the contrast with 'wokeness' (or my thought is 'fulness') and the putting together of the two is genuine genius. I can't decide whether it's irony or dissonance, I suppose a new word is in order to express ironic dissonance. Whether or not we're entertained is a matter of subjective reality. I realize I just don't give a shit about the outcome, but I can't stop watching.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Jan 7 2021 13:28 utc | 73

@ Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 13:20 utc | 70

No. I'm stating that the Christian faction of Trump's electoral base was influential and numerous enough to put one of them into the VP post.

But yes, I'm sure that, if we analyze the 2016 data, we will easily conclude Trump could not have defeated Hilary without the white Christian vote.

Posted by: vk | Jan 7 2021 13:30 utc | 74

I'm not sure what Americans are complaining about. You guys are being threatened with a Woke totalitarianism but at least you aren't living in one yet. Heck, some of your states aren't even in lockdown! Talk about spoiled with too much freedom.

North of the border and in Europe we are already living with Woke totalitarianism. Long live the rule of the Karens!

For years we've had to endure a Kafkaesque bureaucratic tyranny. Now Phillip K. Dick is the author of choice.

I wish all freedom loving Americans good luck in carving out safe zones in the midst of the freak show society about to be imposed upon you.

Posted by: EoinW | Jan 7 2021 13:32 utc | 75

how many times do they have to say things like "totally unproven" and "unsubstantiated" in every sentence before people start to think that they're being treated like idiots?

Posted by: expat | Jan 7 2021 12:59 utc | 63

They're mocking us.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Jan 7 2021 13:34 utc | 76

@William Gruff | Jan 7 2021 12:40 utc | 57

Finally, how do we know that the election was fraudulent just from the establishment/Deep State/big business narrative-building? This should be so obvious to readers that it abrades their credulity. Every single mention in the mass media of the fraudulent nature of the elections is immediately and without exception preceded by "unsubstantiated" or "unfounded", regardless of what substantiation or foundation is provided.

Yes, exactly. The incessant denial and extreme censorship is the best confirmation you can get that these guys know very well what the truth is and where an honest investigation into the facts would lead. If they thought they had all the arguments there would be no problem looking into the issues. But no.

If the disagreement were over evolution versus creation, or anthropogenic global warming versus just weather, or the Earth being flat or spherical, the corporate mass media would meticulously walk a center position between the issues to avoid the appearance of bias, even when evidence is overwhelming for one position or the other.
Actually, this is not true. If you question Darwinism you will lose your job (ask Dr Günter Bechly ). If you point to the political bias and the weakness of the scientific basis for the claims of anthropogenic global warming you will be hounded and censored for years (ask me about it). The similarity between these cases and the current election fraud case is much greater than most people think. If you present arguments questioning any mainstream dogma, you will be hounded and censored by the media and establishment in general. The establishment methods are all the same in these areas: astroturfing, trolling, character assassinations, shadow banning and sometimes much worse. It does not matter if you have solid arguments and fact to back up your position, if it goes against the dogma of power you are in for a very rough ride. Personally, I was banned from a local MSM discussion forum for simply stating that many people in the US considered the election to be fraudulent, and backed it up with links to data, and inviting an open discussion about it. For that I was called a nazi and much worse. The 'moderators' banned me, deleted my references and let all the personal attacks stand. I have seen the same thing happen when discussion about climate science, and I could point to other fields as well (history). You can lie and cheat as much as you want if it fits the power dogma, but do not ever tell the truth because you will be punished.

I agree with your final paragraph.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 13:39 utc | 77

vk #74
Yeah, but that's about as meaningful as stating Hitlary would have had zero chance without the Black vote. Because those prove neither a huge (or increasing) Christian head count, nor in the other case a Black one.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 13:41 utc | 78

Red vs Blue makes the oligarchs raise their glasses in a toast.

Wake me when guillotines are erected on Wall Street.

Posted by: librul | Jan 7 2021 13:46 utc | 79

2 bowls of shit ran for president. one won, apparently by legitimate means, leaving aside the question of how two bowls of shit procured the nomination of their respective scams. the other bowl of shit refused to accept this till yesterday, despite a total inability to convince judges he had appointed to the bench to rule in his favor. i mean any judge. under biden, there may be marginally fewer murders by cops of american citizens, and probably many fewer deaths from the virus than under trump if he had won, but the drive to provoke a war with russia will be greater, and biden will probably start one or more new wars. under either president, the persecution of julian assange will continue, because both of them are warmongers to the core. the transfer of wealth to the elites may pick up speed under biden, and inequality grow even more than under trump. the msm will undoubtedly cover biden with uncritical adoration, as they did obama, and won't catapult propaganda about him as they did against trump. the same billionaires will run america under biden that ran it under trump.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 13:46 utc | 80

Trump supporters physically stopped Antifa rioter from trying to break window at Capitol building. They were trying to call them out


B, quoting unsupported rightist excuses for this coup attempt doesn’t help you, since it makes you look as delusional as Trump, who had indeed encouraged violence earlier in the day with his 70 minute “speech” to supporters near the White House. You’d be on much better ground if you’d stuck with the point that this looks like some coup, or coup attempt, the US has run elsewhere in the world.


Then: How do you know the capital police shot an unarmed woman, because a Trump supporter claimed she was unarmed? Since you don't seem to know, many of those who stormed the capital building were in fact armed.


Alastair Crooke’ piece you cite at length reads at nearly the level of one of Glenn Beck’s anti-Obama rants. There were no legitimate “court” cases that would have awarded DJT a “win” in 2016. Trump only “won” 2016 because Hillary was so reviled and state Republican parties in Michigan, Florida, and Wisconsin stole the states for him. Trump wanting Detroit and Milwaukee votes thrown out in 2020 is effectively saying: “why can’t we do it like last time?"

You’re not helping your “credibility” here. But you complain about ZeroHedge links in comments.

Posted by: Jay | Jan 7 2021 13:48 utc | 81

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1212180.shtml

Global Times editorial on the rampage in the Capital.

Key points:

- It wasn't just a farcical spectacle by Trump
- Biden's confirmation won't set things straight
- It shows the severe division in US society
- Indeed, a severe crisis, if not collapse, of US democracy
- US elites are too arrogant, and dishonest, to serve the country
- US politics has no national purpose, just partisan affiliation
- Institutional decay is a consequence of this
- US needs to focus on internal development instead of empire

Posted by: Prof K | Jan 7 2021 13:54 utc | 82

pretzelattack #80
>"apparently by legitimate means"
>apparently legitimate
>apparently

How does the saying go:
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and..."

Enjoy your coming progressive Utopia!

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 13:55 utc | 83

jay you forgot to say "justly reviled". that corrupt warmonger clinton brought her loss on herself, just as trump did this time. clinton didn't even provide her own state parties with enough funds in the midwest despite their please. trump was bad, but even after his massive failure on the virus and his inexcusable pandering to police unions in excusing their vile conduct during black lives matter protests, not to mention his continuing the wars, i can't say clinton would have been any better.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 13:56 utc | 84

Wow, man, you really have gone around the bend and your fantasies now color your analysis. Sure, it’s ironically humorous that America just color revolutioned itself. And yes, the imperial tactics have come home to roost. And of course it’s an amazing thing to watch the fall of an empire in real time with minute-by-minute updates. Couldn’t happen to a nicer country.

But this wasn’t “staged” and the election wasn’t “stolen”. Down ballot republicans outperformed Trump. That’s a really, really difficult way to steal an election. Trump’s the same bankrupt, conman loser he’s always been. He told his supporters to go protest at the Capitol, they did and the cops let them in. Took selfies with them and such. It says a lot about the nation and it’s future, but not what you think it does.

Posted by: Lex | Jan 7 2021 13:57 utc | 85

Trump cannot distinguish between his own fantasies and reality. He had larger crowds at his inauguration than Obama. How could he, god's gift to humanity, have smaller crowds than a nigger? And now he's certain the election was stolen from him by what "b" calls the "blue tick monopoly". Got to say, you've got your true colors flying, b. Your analysis is almost as delusional as your political hero, this certifiably insane little rich boy. I check into your site from time to time, but you've done it again. After your defense of that fucking dictator Lukashenko in Belarus, and now this defense of looney Trump and his faux movement, there is no longer any interest left in me to follow your phony independent analysis. You are a "red tick", at core, an anti-democratic motherfucker of the worst sort, by which I mean some one who thinks he's "fair and balanced" and oh-so rational who infests discourse with sophistical distortions like your authoritarian heroes do.

Posted by: jadan | Jan 7 2021 13:57 utc | 86

@ Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 13:41 utc | 78

Yes. Hence Kamala Harris as Biden's VP. It's no secret the Black Caucus sabotaged the DNC primaries and gave the Deep South to Biden in order to implode Bernie Sanders. I don't see any contradiction here.

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@ Posted by: EoinW | Jan 7 2021 13:32 utc | 75

I thought "Karen" was a term to designate an adult Female Westerner who was hysterically against lockdowns, which put them into the right-wing, not the left-wing.

We must be rigorous with the terminology here, kids. This is not Alice Through the Looking Glass.

Either way, here's a good reading I recommend for you:

NYT piece ‘propaganda for China?’ US elites too fragile to face reality

Posted by: vk | Jan 7 2021 13:57 utc | 87

Pelosi wasn't referring to the occupation of the Hong Kong legislature. You link to an article that does not even mention that. I understand that you people worship at the altar of the "Communist" Party in China but really...

Posted by: Louis N Proyect | Jan 7 2021 13:59 utc | 88

norwegian give me a break from your endless shilling for the fossil fuel companies, some of the most powerful and wealthiest corporations on the planet. if you had any scientific evidence that global warming wasn't happening, or wasn't caused by human behavior, you would win a nobel prize, and the fossil fuel industry would shower you with money.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 13:59 utc | 89

Oh, this is so undemocratic!
Peaceful protesters only want democracy, freedom, and the realization of their civil rights. The totalitarian American machine suppresses them, one citizen was even shot in the chest. Monstrous barbarism and encroachment on the rights of people to peacefully protest! So awful. It is the duty of the free world to support civic activists and sternly condemn the American oppression machine of freedom!

I think it would be nice for the Russian Foreign Ministry to make a corresponding statement. It would be very appropriate to troll the "western partners" well. The most splendid trolling would be to try to call an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council because of the events in the United States and discuss the oppression of peaceful protesters and the repression of the American totalitarian power machine.

A resolution is also absolutely necessary urging the American authorities to immediately end the harassment of peaceful protesters and to release the detainees. Of course, sanctions are also needed in connection with the oppression of civil liberties by the American authorities.

Well, the boomerang returned to those who threw it. That's wonderful.

Posted by: alaff | Jan 7 2021 14:00 utc | 90

I have little doubt the election was fraudulent. The US deep state wouldn't have wanted Trump back. Their influence to hide rigging would permeate through many departments and courts.

I have little doubt that the 2019 election in the UK was fixed. Pre-election there was wholesale smearing of Corbyn in the MSM. Within the Labour party there was movement to damage the leader and put in place one to mirror the Establishment's policies. The Tories won by 80 seats when on the ground there was nothing like this support but because of the MSM smearing people accepted the result. I strongly suspect there was massive rigging of the postal vote in the marginals and traditional northern Labour seats

Posted by: Ruth | Jan 7 2021 14:00 utc | 91

Was never going to end well - it needed some of Victoria Nuland's cookies.

Posted by: The hypocrites hypoc | Jan 7 2021 14:01 utc | 92

Jay #81
We await with baited breath your detailed evidence for your following, unsupported claims:
-Trump had indeed encouraged violence earlier in the day
-many of those who stormed the capital building were in fact armed
-state Republican parties in Michigan, Florida, and Wisconsin stole the states for him [in 2016]

As otherwise:
You’re not helping your “credibility” here.

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 14:02 utc | 93

jadan i didn't see any evidence you realize that the democrats are every bit as authoritarian as trump, with their clintons and obama and crime bill joe and lock em up kamala. it must be hard to analyze events in a country you aren't as familiar with as your own, i wouldn't presume to tell b the political significance of events in germany.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 14:04 utc | 94

the black caucus was a tool of the dnc and obama, it wasn't the driving force behind helping biden cheat his way to the nomination but it was a useful too.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jan 7 2021 14:06 utc | 95

vk #87
Now you're just moving the goalposts.

To remind you, you originally claimed
>America, nowadays, is more religious than ever.

And you still haven't presented anything more than huffing and puffing and 'because I say so.'

Posted by: michael | Jan 7 2021 14:08 utc | 96

Don Jim Jones Trump said, drink the kool-aid,it's effervescent for all you prescient acolytes.

I was expecting the worst, this turned out better than I expected.
More popcorn please.

Posted by: Tiberius Pantera | Jan 7 2021 14:18 utc | 97

@expat | Jan 7 2021 12:59 utc | 63

I mean, how many times do they have to say things like "totally unproven" and "unsubstantiated" in every sentence before people start to think that they're being treated like idiots?

Do not underestimate the understanding of psychology by these psychopaths. When something is thrown in your face multiple times per day from an "authority" such as Twitter (their authority ranks higher than the US President now), you will start to believe it unless you are trained to withstand such mental abuse. Most people will quickly take such false assertions as the truth. That is why they are doing it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 14:23 utc | 98

MoA: enough of your fawning over Trump

"Trump spoke out against violence and called on the people to leave peacefully only to get censored"

Trump called for peace after ... calling the elections fraudulent, after claiming he won in a landslide, saying it was stolen telling them they were beautiful people.

It was the same as reminding nazis why they hate Jews so much and then whispering 'don't harm Jews'[wink/wink].

Pence was the one who had to shame him into calling in the Guard.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jan 7 2021 14:23 utc | 99

@vk | Jan 7 2021 13:57 utc | 87

I thought "Karen" was a term to designate an adult Female Westerner who was hysterically against lockdowns, which put them into the right-wing, not the left-wing.

You are wrong, as usual.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 7 2021 14:28 utc | 100

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