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January 08, 2021

By Wrongly Calling The Capitol Rabble 'Terrorists' Joe Biden Will Likely Create Some

The hyperventilating over Wednesday's MAGA cosplay in the Capitol Building continues:

In a blistering speech one day after pro-trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol in an unprecedented security breach, U.S. President-elect Joe Biden said the perpetrators should be considered 'domestic terrorists'.

"Don't dare call them protesters. They were a riotous mob. Insurrectionists. Domestic terrorists. It's that basic. It's that simple."

That the incoming president declares a number of activist from the opposing party to be 'terrorists' demonstrates how unqualified he is for that job.

Is this a terrorist?


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Those rabbles were in no way terrorists. They were not even a mob. Most of them were out-of-town rednecks who felt that they had been wronged. They wanted to express that. They were surprised when they found how easy it was to enter the Capitol and they apparently took more time to take pictures than to rearrange the furniture.

This was not a coup attempt either. These folks had no weapons, no training and, most importantly, they had no plan of what to do except to maybe enter to then leave:

And yet, and yet…. This was no Vietnam-level rioting. This wasn’t even a serious occupation, which one would think was the point, to keep Congress from executing the final ratification of the Biden win. Could you image the spectacle of democracy chastened if the Trump mob had held the Capitol and forced Congress to scramble find a hotel ballroom in which to finish their official business?

Nope, Congress was back in business by 8:00 PM, roughly seven hours after the barbarians stormed the walls, albeit with pretty much everyone badly rattled and some Trump supporters rapidly backpedaling from their former positions.

Despite the gravity of the event, if you look not very hard at what happened, both sides in their different ways were shambolic.

Another such view:

[L]et’s be clear about what did not take place at the Capitol Building last night. This was not a fascist coup, as so many shrill, supposedly liberal commentators are claiming. Their flagrant use of the word ‘fascist’ to describe every political movement they disapprove of is an insult to reason and history. This wasn’t a coup full stop. The National Guard suppressed the morons, the barricades were put back up, and even their hero Donald Trump told them to go home. A coup is a conscious effort to illegally seize power from the government. These people couldn’t even believe they made it into the Capitol Building. They were like children finding a candy store unguarded.

A children's game. Indeed. 


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There was also a curious lack of resistance from the relevant authority:

[Rep. Anna] Eshoo also blasted the Capitol Hill police, calling their lackluster response a “failure across the board” and describing the barricades outside the Capitol complex “like doggy doors … it was like, ‘Welcome, I’m taking you on a tour.’ ”

Lawmakers, she said, had gotten a detailed memo about street barricades and procedures, but when she arrived and looked across the Capitol Hill plaza, “I thought, where is everyone?”


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These were not terrorists but tourists who came from all over the states to Washington for fun and to register their disagreement with the 'elites'. The Capitol Hill policeman correctly recognized that the protesters were not enemies of the state but rather normal Americans:

Maggie Haberman @maggieNYT - 4:16 UTC · Jan 8, 2021
Cops gave rioters directions to Schumer’s office but aimed a gun at a photographer and didn’t believe she was a journalist. Astonishing this is the level of security in the halls of a co-equal branch of government in the post-9/11 era.

Yet Biden and others are furious about the stunt because it lifted the veil off their vaunted U.S. 'democracy' and its empty rituals:

Nicholas J. Fuentes @NickJFuentes - 21:01 UTC · Jan 7, 2021
The US Capitol is hardly a “sacred temple of democracy,” it’s the sleaziest brothel in the world, totally bought and controlled by powerful interest groups and foreign governments. Who are they kidding?

Congressional processes are dirty fights about the distribution of the loot. There is nothing sacred about it. Just consider the massive bribes that were taken during the Georgia Senate races. Those hundreds of millions of 'donations' will have to be paid back in kind.

The real danger to the people does not come from those 'deplorables' who walked into the Capitol but from the 'elite' who will use the incident for their purposes:

The threat inflation, the wild claims about a fascist coup, are transparent efforts by the cosseted political and cultural elites to endow their project with moral importance; to give their restoration of managerial, technocratic power after the four-year populist experiment – which is fundamentally the project that Biden and his influential supporters are currently engaged in – the gloss of historical urgency. It is mission creation.

Worse, this narrative-building will allow the elites to circumscribe even more forms of political thought and speech than they already desire to do, on the basis that the latent fascism among the American rabble is likely to be stirred up by inflammatory ideas and commentary. Indeed, we’ve already been given a chilling glimpse of this post-incursion clampdown on ‘violent’ speech in Twitter’s extraordinary decision to ban, outright, three of Trump’s tweets last night and to lock him out of his account for 12 hours.

It strikes me that this unilateral use of corporate power by Silicon Valley to prevent the democratically elected president of the United States from engaging with millions of his voters and supporters, to physically forbid him from partaking in online discussion, is a grave assault on democracy, too. More grave, I would say, than the immoral and anti-democratic incursion of the Capitol Building. Already, right away, we are seeing that the threat-inflating response to last night’s events will likely have longer-lasting negative consequences for open debate and democratic norms than the thing itself.

It is even worse than that. The Democrats reaction to the slapstick action is likely to create more strife.

That Biden now falsely declares that the people who enter the capitol are terrorists, who thereby need to be handled as such, will deepen the rift within the U.S. society. It guarantees that some of the 'deplorables' who Biden designates as terrorists will become real ones. The U.S. military has ample experience with doing that in Iraq and elsewhere. During the early years of the occupation it designated legitimate resistance to the occupation as terrorism and thereby sowed the seeds for real terrorism.

An even worse strategy is to blame the whole incident on the 'terrorist leader' Donald Trump. During the rally that preceded the Capitol incident Trump did not tell the people to enter the building:

“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard,” Trump told the crowd on Wednesday.

After the people had unexpectedly entered the Capitol building Trump asked them to leave:

He said: "I know your pain, I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us, it was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side.

"But you have to go home now, we have to have peace, we have to have law and order, we have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt."

Some 74 million people voted for Trump. What will they do if the Democrats now unfairly try to impeach him over an incident he did not cause?

Do not expect them to ignore it or to change their opinions. This analogy is apt.

Max Abrahms @MaxAbrahms - 14:21 UTC · 5 Jan 2021
Careful what you wish for.
My research shows leaders often restrain lower level members.
So taking out the leader tends to make the group more — not less — radical in its tactical choices.
I have loads of empirical & theoretical work on this finding if you’d like to discuss.

Even the Islamic State foresees that this will lead to more strife within the U.S.:

[T]he bitter feeling of defeat that the supporters of the 'Taghut' Trump have expressed during their recent protests- which followed the protests of their adversaries from the supporters of the 'Democratic Party' during the past year- will push them to exert more effort and offer more support for their Taghut during the next four years or whoso stands with him alongside the seat of the presidency, in order to achieve revenge for themselves and achieve victory over their adversaries again. This means that the conflict between the two parties and their supporters inside America will be very intense, and the focus of the policies of the two parties during this time will be greater on the internal issues to guarantee gaining more electoral votes.

By using the 'terrorist' moniker Biden, and the media, are taking this thing into the wrong direction. It creates more extremism and will likely have bloody consequences.

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"A cop was killed when his head was crushed with a fire extinguisher.

Posted by: David | Jan 8 2021 23:21 utc | 98"

Why do you bedwetter idiots write such easily debunked bullshit?

Absolutely no one's head got crushed with a fire extinguisher.

Didn't happen.

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 23:32 utc | 101

WERE ALL ANTIFA NOW !!!


Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 8 2021 23:29 utc | 100

Heut Long was asked: "Do you think we will ever have Fascism in America?”

Said the Kingfish: “Sure, only we’ll call it anti-Fascism.

He was spot on, particularly in your case

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 23:36 utc | 102

***Huey Long

Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 23:37 utc | 103

What about the cop that had his head bashed with a fire extinguisher?

Was that after he murdered a woman in cold blood???

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 8 2021 23:37 utc | 104

OutlawHistorian@70 aka karlof1

Thanks for the link. Read this earlier today...hopefully more will read this.
The polemic here,from both aspects,is nothing short of astounding. However this shakes out, hopefully it will spare most of us from the incessant moral lecturing, and hectoring from loads of commentators here.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jan 8 2021 23:45 utc | 105

The events at the Capitol buildings was literally the closest the US has ever come to a working class revolution but woke pseudoleftists are completly blind to that since it didn't feature many black trans women and it wasn't sponsored by JPMorgan and Apple

A revolution it wasn't.

The protesters wanted the election nullified due to fraud....

Anyone who investigated the 2020 election knows fraud was rampant.

74 million were acknowledged to have voted for Trump.

There were 156 million registered voters...

65% voted == 101 million

That leaves 27.5 million for Biden.

These numbers agree with participation in the rallies held by the two camps...

Question..... why was it so important for the Democrats to regain power??? Why did they pull out all the stops to hobble Trump these past 4 years...???

What do they intend to do????

INDY

PS: Why doesn't Trump have biden declared incompetent???

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 8 2021 23:49 utc | 106

INDY @ 106

They, all of them, intend to continue the grooming.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jan 8 2021 23:53 utc | 107

Can the hysterical little girls freaking out about tourists in the Capitol building do me one little favor? I just want to see one video clip of rioting in DC back on the 6th. All of these posts and we don't have a single link to evidence of rioting or mob-like behavior. This is important because years from now people reading this thread may not clearly remember what you imagined you saw and need some visual reminders of this imaginary rioting that you are talking about. Please include some links or people of tomorrow will suspect that what you little girls are wailing about didn't happen. In particular I want to see some imagery of "baseball bats and metal pipes" on the scene in DC. Is this too much to ask for?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 23:58 utc | 108

Gruff@108

Indeed. Lots of froth, no substance or citations from many here.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jan 9 2021 0:00 utc | 109

Is this too much to ask for?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 8 2021 23:58 utc | 108

Apparently it is.

The bedwetter contingent have been asked to do so several times now and so far not one of them has been willing of able to do so.

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 0:02 utc | 110

*** willing or able

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 0:03 utc | 111

Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 8 2021 23:49 utc | 106:

65% voted == 101 million

That leaves 27.5 million for Biden.


Counterargument: "But many states have same-day registration, so there!"

Same-day registration for mail-in ballots? I wonder how that works...

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 0:04 utc | 112

@ Posted by: Triden | Jan 8 2021 23:32 utc | 101

The announcement came from the Police itself. The cause of death was head trauma (with a fire extinguisher). It was also explicitly stated in the official note that he died "on duty", i.e. it wasn't an accident or an extemporaneous event. So, unless you're saying they're lying, then you're the one lying.

There was initial confusion about the his death because the CNN broke it first, when the plan of the Capitol Police was to give time for his family to fly to the hospital to in order to say goodbye and turn off life support. It was considered inelegant on CNN's part.

Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2021 0:09 utc | 113

vk @ 113

Link?

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Jan 9 2021 0:12 utc | 114

Re -- vk | Jan 9 2021 0:09 utc | 113

Here's the link to the Capitol Police announcement:

“In addition to invading the House and Senate chambers, driving members of Congress into hiding, the extremists attacked police ‘with metal pipes, discharged chemical irritants, and took up other weapons against our officers,’ U.S. Capitol Police said Thursday.
. . .
“More than 50 USCP and MPD sustained injuries during the attack on the Capitol.  Several USCP officers have been hospitalized with serious injuries.”
https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/statement-steven-sund-chief-police

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 9 2021 0:14 utc | 115

p.s.

Trump's groupies are out in force today, on this site, throwing lies about with reckless abandon, the way they threw pipes and fire extinguishers about in the Capitol on Wednesday.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 9 2021 0:18 utc | 116

https://t.co/qYS05PEE5w?amp=1

video via @dancohen3000 that shows the shooting. better quality so it appears the shooter was under bad lighting and is probably a doughy white guy (like most homicidal cops).

cohen says he's revised his opinion based on the clearer footage but not sure why. the protestors were belligerent morons but so were a lot of the white guys breaking shit at the BLM protests. never mind the cops who just walked off only to be replaced by swat tards on the steps right behind the mob. those dipshits are as responsible for her death as the bloke who actually pulled the trigger (again...liked a scared, cowardly little bitch). and was there no other exit? who designed such a weird little cul de sac in a giant building and what genius thought to board it up like there's a zombie invasion? could the many, many cops on the protestor side not have escorted them out? jesus christ the incompetence of everyone involved is staggering.

but at least there's no footage of her screaming "SHOOT ME NI__A!" (at a white guy because...?) like the pedo bro rittenhouse offed.

Posted by: the pair | Jan 9 2021 0:19 utc | 117

If there were ten thousand people there then there were twenty thousand cameras. Imagery please.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 0:20 utc | 118

Just for the record, Trump still has the option of invoking the Insurrection Act. Was listening to an interview with Alex Newman who mentioned that Trump is communicating with General Larry Flynn and other members of the military. Flynn has been openly advocating for this type of response; Trump has just released a video saying that he has exhausted all legislative means to deal with massive election fraud. The interesting times may about to become significantly more interesting.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jan 9 2021 0:21 utc | 119

William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 0:20 utc | 118

Here -- how about this video --
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/06/jim-himes-inside-washington-dc-protest-congress-electoral-college-vpx.cnn

-- will that do it for you?

Posted by: AntiSpin | Jan 9 2021 0:24 utc | 120

Reading the comments, it seems that the anti-Trump side is as willing to start a civil war as the pro-Trump side.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jan 9 2021 0:31 utc | 121

AntiSpin @120

Nope, that won't do it for me. That is as riotous as a mosh pit for elementary school girls at a Justin Bieber concert. Hopefully you can find something with "baseball bats and metal pipes" and ideally some Ferguson-level action.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 0:34 utc | 122

If one is "pro-Trump" and one has no knowledge of Roy Cohn and John Casablancas, one hasn't sufficient knowledge to be pro-Trump.

Posted by: Bill | Jan 9 2021 0:36 utc | 123

Digital Spartacus @105--

I've been following her work for several months now and think her premises much sounder than Matthew Ehret's, who are actually on the same Canadian team. Generally, the three of us are working on exposing the rise and spread of what's now known as Neoliberalism. And of course, there's Dr. Hudson who's ahead of us all. The line of investigation initiated by Upton Sinclair into the shared Board memberships at key elite universities within the USA that erased the traditional teaching of political-economy and replaced it with the mathematical economics which lie at the root of Neoliberalism's Junk Economics I see as very promising as they're also prominent bankers and Old Money with social connections to England's Royalty and Nobility--the primary members of Europe's Rentier Class. When I look over the comments, many have forgotten just what Class owns the Duopoly and controls the federal government. Trump was never allowed into their circle but was used by some of its members in the pursuit of interests that are still shrouded in fog. My working hypothesis there is they were quite worried that too much industrial capacity had been foreclosed and moved such that it caused a real threat to national security; thus the need for MAGA.

With the rise of the Eurasian Bloc, the "threat" isn't military; it's economic. As I wrote earlier today, an economy based on consumerism will collapse when the consumers can no longer consume. Hudson's 100% correct that debt's that can't be repaid won't. The current degree of economic polarization is miniscule compared to what might ensue if the Bidenites don't forestall it--200 Million people bankrupt while 100 Million have good paying jobs and can afford their debts--the remaining 40-50 Million are mostly impoverished children. This time the part of the public that gets shafted as in 2009 under Obama isn't going to sit still, and what happened in DC will be repeated elsewhere with meaning this time. A genuine MAGA Fascist wanting control will need to disarm the Rentier Class and the Swamp thus ousting the current "Friendly Fascist" regime--and that would require a paramilitary since that's basically what composes the Swamp--Civil War between two Factions of Reaction that would also split the military. Wonder what barflies think of all that?

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2021 0:37 utc | 124

WG @ 122:

Not much point asking Anti-Spin for the evidence because s/he will only deliver what you and I suspect to be US govt and MSM propaganda.

Posted by: Jen | Jan 9 2021 0:38 utc | 125

Petri Krohn @121: "Reading the comments, it seems that the anti-Trump side is as willing to start a civil war as the pro-Trump side."

Much, much more so, actually. They still need revenge for being revealed as moronic and hysterical ninnies over the four years of the whole Russiagate spectacle. It doesn't matter if that shame was self-inflicted, they desperately need to "get back at" those who were right while they were making fools of themselves.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 0:40 utc | 126

Another tourist, brought to you by Camp Auschwitz.

Posted by: Innocent Civilian | Jan 9 2021 0:51 utc | 127

William Gruff at 122

If you look at only 30 seconds into the video linked by AntiSpin at 120, you will see a man in military fatigues go through the broken window carrying what certainly looks like a brown baseball bat.

By the way, the carrying of Confederate flags in this situation is inherently an act of race terrorism.

Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Jan 9 2021 0:57 utc | 128

Innocent Civilian @127

I realize that image of the scary bearded old guy made countless antifa types run for their safe spaces, but I was asking about imagery of rioting. Could you help with that? For the historical record, you know?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 0:58 utc | 129

The announcement came from the Police itself. The cause of death was head trauma (with a fire extinguisher). It was also explicitly stated in the official note that he died "on duty", i.e. it wasn't an accident or an extemporaneous event. So, unless you're saying they're lying, then you're the one lying.

Posted by: vk | Jan 9 2021 0:09 utc | 113

Nah its easy to prove that the only liars here are you guys who keep claiming that someone had their "head crushed in with a fire extinguisher."

No official police statement refers to the officer having had his "head crushed" by a fire extinguisher

https://eu.usatoday.com/amp/6595549002

    Police have not confirmed the circumstances of Sicknick's death but said he "was injured while physically engaging with protesters"

    Sicknick died "due to injuries sustained while on duty," U.S. Capitol Police said in a statement. On Wednesday, he "was injured while physically engaging with protesters," police said. He returned to his division office and collapsed, then was taken to a local hospital where he died around 9:30 p.m. Thursday.

Even you vk, demented delusional and dishonest as you are would have a hard time arguing that a man who allegedly had his "head crushed in with a fire extinguisher" would be capable of returning to his division office before collapsing

The only official police statement on the matter makes no mention at all of the ofgicer having his "head crushed by a fire extinguisher".

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 1:04 utc | 130

Jeffrey Kaye @128

Too short for a baseball bat. More like a nightstick. But you are right! Some LARPer with a scary weapon-like thing. Can you find imagery of him using it?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 1:04 utc | 131

Triden @130

Probably heart failure. Too many donuts. That is a serious occupational hazard for police officers.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 1:06 utc | 132

By the way, the carrying of Confederate flags in this situation is inherently an act of race terrorism.

Posted by: Jeffrey Kaye | Jan 9 2021 0:57 utc | 128

Hahahaha, here comes JK with the reach-around.

"race terrorism" - comment by comment the bed gets wetter and wetter

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 1:07 utc | 133

RE: "All they needed was to get a few senate/house members. Then you got a hostage situation and the rest is unadulterated violence."

-Innocent Civilian | Jan 8 2021 23:13 utc | 95

Please spare us the stern finger-wagging, Karen.

If you had actually been at the rally, and not just lifted some inflammatory out of context pics [from the Richard Silverman link(?)] already posted above @ #47

( https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2021/01/06/democracy-the-noose-and-the-coffin/ ),

You might have seen that a quite large percentage of the average Americans there were older people who have long watched and lived thru several decades of "coordinated mockingbird media [hence your two linked pics of smashed AP FAKE/BS media's equipment] and "senate/house members'" spouting complete BS Official Propaganda to enable/justify their paymasters/blackmailers to steal the Country's wealth in order fill the overlords' [and their own] pockets, and finance foreign wars, and psychopathically allow creation of global misery willy-nilly.

I think many of the elderly protesters knew well that Nancy Pelosi sat on the Howse Intel Committee for 10 years, and she was clued in on *all* the war crime shit that Cheney Rumsfeld GWB and the neocons were doing in Iraq/Afghanistan/Abu Graib/Guantanamo torture centers, and let, indeed funded it *ALL* to happen. And then took the GWB impeachment *off the table* when she had the authority to do something about.

Pelosi is just another mobbed-up lyin' obscene hypocritical war-criminal imo, and should herself go on trial. Many older Americans know it too.

And they don't like, and are fed up with what these "senate/house members" have done.

Posted by: gm | Jan 9 2021 1:09 utc | 134

Earlier in the week I linked to the latest Renegade Inc program which had Dr. Hudson as one of the guests. That show's transcript is now available. Here's an excerpt with Ross Ashcroft asking a question:

"Ross: What do you think are the megatrends that we should be looking at in 2021? What do you think is the direction of travel, if you like, for so-called developed economies?

"Michael Hudson: Well, the big trend in any economy is the growth of debt, because the debt grows exponentially. The economy has painted itself into a debt corner. We can see that in real estate. We can see that for small business. There’s also almost no way to recover. The Federal Reserve has been printing quantitative easing to keep stock and bonds high. But for the real economy, the trend is polarization and lower employment.

"The trend also is that state and local finances are broke, especially in the biggest cities, New York City, San Francisco and Los Angeles. They’re not getting income tax revenue from the unemployed or closed businesses. They’re not getting the real estate tax with so many defaults and mortgage arrears. In New York City there’s talk of cutting back the subways by 70 percent. People will be afraid to take the subways when they’re overcrowded with people with the virus. So you’re having a breakdown not only in state and local finances, but of public services that are state run – public transportation services, health services, education is being downsized. Everything that is funded out of state and local budgets is going to suffer.

"And living standards are going to be very sharply downward as people realize how many services they got are dependent on public infrastructure."

And this one I must also include:

"Ross: What is the one thing that has really surprised you in 2020? What have you laughed at? What has given you a chuckle?

"Michael Hudson: The surprise – that I really shouldn’t have been surprised at – is how naive Bernie Sanders supporters were in thinking that they were going to get a fair deal and that the elections were going to be fair. The illusion is that people were actually going to have a fair election when the last thing the vested interests wanted was Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or any kind of reformer. So what happened to Sanders is what happened to Corbyn in Britain and the Labour Party’s neoliberal leadership.

"So what’s for laughs? I guess, Tulsi Gabbard’s takedown of Kamala Harris was absolutely wonderful. Everybody just broke out laughing, cheering for her. And of course, that’s why she was marginalized, and now we have Kamala Harris as the senior vice president."

Of course, none of the dire economic news is being reported with the focus instead on Wall Street's markets, with much of the public just as brainwashed about it as Trump. The last third focuses on politics, which is what most barflies want to read about. So, click the link and read what Dr. Hudson sees in the tea leaves.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2021 1:11 utc | 135

@22 karlof1

Yes, I actually did read your comment on page 4 of the Style thread, and would have liked to respond, so finding it here is perfect. I agree. I've read elsewhere too that Biden will usher in Austerity as a program. I guess the US is the only country in the west not to have had it called out by name yet, so here it comes.

The country will eliminate its shame from being seen as not caring about its citizens, by doubling down on not caring about its citizens - proclaiming it loud, so there's no longer any requirement for egalitarianism foolishly levied upon Washington, DC: enough of that sentimentality.


@85 karlof1 again - "The Ds have full federal control, so they can't shirk blame."

Oh, they can shirk blame alright, they have a century of practice with that. I know what you meant, and I know that you know this. But whether their partisan supporters will see through this, or rather will accept the various straw-man enemies presented as the various reasons for not making the country a better place to live - for all this, we have our forlorn expectations of course, but we shall also have to wait and see.

It will be the ultimate cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 9 2021 1:14 utc | 136

Petri Krohn @38, very prescient calls from 2016. Agree with you about democracy needing a free press, and that we no longer have that. Imagine if sites like MoA were addtionally not available ...

gm @84, great point. Agree with you on that. Plunder and rapine - is that part of the Western European culture? (ex. Helena Cobban's Project 500 Years Tracking 500 Years of the West’s Domination of the World, or stemming even further back to the period of Vikings?) Our mainstream media of course never makes that connection and never allows any inkling of that.

ak74 @88, interesting about some of the "weaponized immigrant" communities having been at the protest, thanks for sharing that. I suspect weaponizing diasporas (as opposed to those rewarded with subsequent residency/citizenship for their services to the empire) is also part of US modus operandi for their regime change machinations.

Posted by: Canadian Cents | Jan 9 2021 1:17 utc | 137

@132 William Gruff

That was funny, as was the earlier comment up-thread that his death would be recorded as Covid.

But to be serious, the way it happened is entirely consistent with Novichok poisoning.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 9 2021 1:20 utc | 138

gm @134--

Must second your suggestion about Pelosi and all the Ds in general. Generally given the immense amount of propaganda a person is inundated with in the USA, it takes 40-50 years to dig your way out to get some clean air, then you become radicalized when you realize you've been a sap and decide to join the actor from Network: Become mad as hell and refuse to take it any longer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2021 1:20 utc | 139

No no no no no. Dont rationalize and normalize such people. There WERE those who belong to organized supremacist groups among them. They were armed. There were police and military among them. That this incident was not so organized does not mean that these people are not already organized.

They are terrorists. They fulfilled all legal and moral criteria for being terrorists, just that they were not able to get to their targets.

Posted by: unity100 | Jan 9 2021 1:22 utc | 140

karlof1 @135

It is like a perfect financial storm. So far I have been able to dodge the worst of the crises these last few years, but I think even I will start feeling the pain for real this year.

It is so sad how many people are throwing all of their hope into the vaccines and counting on the economy making a miraculous recover this year. The trends that you have been posting data on recently suggest that recovery is very unlikely; practically impossible, actually. So many people's hopes will be dashed...

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 1:25 utc | 141

Here’s a list of what b euthamisticly calls ‘tourists’
Any sane person would call treasonous domestic terrorists
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https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/Unrest-Related%20Arrest%20Data%20as%20of%20January%207%202021.pdf

Don’t fuck with Antifa

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2021 1:26 utc | 142

Grieved @138

Novichok, of course! It is so obvious now that you point it out. What else would Putin's puppets use?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 9 2021 1:27 utc | 143

There is plenty of video evidence showing, that Trump supporters were trying to stop those who were leading the storm of the Capitol building.

It is for that reason, that a significant amount of Trump supporters tend to believe, that these violent folks were "Antifa".

This may not be the full truth, but it will hardly be possible to convince those Trump supporters of the contrary.

Some of this video content can be seen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwSxVvRFMJA

Posted by: Andreas | Jan 9 2021 1:30 utc | 144

@ 70 / 124 / 135 karlof1... thanks for the links, quotes and commentary... much appreciated...

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 1:33 utc | 145

MAGA were the peacemakers they were trying to protect the cops from BLM infiltrators just like Israel is just exercising their right to self-defense when they bomb Syria, Iraq, and the Gaza strip. We should give the IAF MAGA hats.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jan 9 2021 1:33 utc | 146

But to be serious, the way it happened is entirely consistent with Novichok poisoning.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 9 2021 1:20 utc | 138

Bingo, he had his head crushed in by a Putin-troll weilding a novicok-filled fire extinguisher

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 1:37 utc | 147

Breaking News!!

Right this minute Trump is having the mother of all hussy fits. He just got a taste of what it feels like to lose a big chunk of power.

TWITTER PERMANENTLY BANS TRUMP!

Can't wait til he loses the other chunk! January 20th, God speed!

😃🤣

Posted by: Circe | Jan 9 2021 1:39 utc | 148

Triden, if the cop didn't get hit with a fire extinguisher, how did he die? If it is "bull shit" then why don't you say how the cop got killed?

Posted by: David | Jan 9 2021 1:39 utc | 149

wikipedia is very quick at putting up a link on this with much detail... i haven't bothered to read much of it, but if others are interested in seeing how the intel agencies are spinning this, they can get a leg up via wikipedia... 2021 storming of the United States Capitol

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 1:41 utc | 150

Thanks for all the links and comments karlof1

All the textual white noise of the fake wrestling left/right discourse is being increased to cover for the "perfect financial storm" as Mr gruff called it above.

All along I saw this coming as another of the Shock Doctrine events focused, this time instead of some South American country, America itself is being thrown under the global private finance debt bus.

Austerity will make clearer to awakening Westerners that maybe China has a better way. How long will that take? I would like it to happen tomorrow but that is not very likely. I keep thinking that a "light switch" will turn on some day and folks will see how they continue to be slaves and unfree under the jackboot of global private finance.....

I do find b's bias toward the shit show circus we are watching sad to read but the left/right myth is a strong one with sole backing by the top of our top/bottom world....and they are doing God's work.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 9 2021 1:43 utc | 151

William Gruff @141 & Grieved @136--

In the upcoming environment, we'll be fortunate, although we must remain prudent. Of the lower 48, Oregon has done an outstanding job of virus containment relative to the nation, so our local economies aren't as bad off as others. The state's relatively stable politically despite the scenes from Portland and most agree with Governor Brown's insistence on putting public safety first. Revenues for state and local government and services are down but have been well managed, and I don't see any threat to our communalistic public utilities which all citizens support. Yes, damage has occurred and fixes need to be made. The state's seen as a refuge drawing an increasing number of immigrants--particularly retirees who've cashed out their homes. The last plus is that communalism I mentioned, which I hope the immigrants will embrace and expand. Those I love are in good positions to weather the coming storm, and I've no more elders to care for aside from myself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 9 2021 1:47 utc | 152

the relevant quote from wikipedia on the topic of commenters upstream...see my link @ 150 if you want to follow the citations to look closer...

"Capitol Police officer Brian D. Sicknick, a 15-year veteran of the force and a former National Guardsman, was fatally injured by rioters. The specific cause of Sicknick's death was not initially released, though law enforcement officials told The New York Times that he had been struck by a fire extinguisher.[283] Reuters reported that Sicknick suffered a stroke after sustaining injuries,[284] and collapsed after returning to his division office. He was taken to a hospital and died the next day.[14][285][286] Federal authorities launched a murder investigation into Sicknick's death.[4]"

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 1:47 utc | 153

Triden, if the cop didn't get hit with a fire extinguisher, how did he die? If it is "bull shit" then why don't you say how the cop got killed?

Posted by: David | Jan 9 2021 1:39 utc | 149

You're the bedwtting hysteric that made the claim, therefore you're the bedwetting hysteric who needs to provide evidence for it.

As Christopher Hitchens once said :

    "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."

It is not for me to disprove an unproven case, but rather for you to produce sufficient evidence to support the allegation


And unlike you with your evidence free claims I actually provided evidence for mine.

I linked to quotes from the official police statement on his death which states

    Police have not confirmed the circumstances of Sicknick's death but said he "was injured while physically engaging with protesters"

No mention of a fire extinguisher nor of a "crushed head" in the only official police statement that so far exists.

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 2:02 utc | 154

Why is he being called 'Viking Guy'? The head gear is clearly native American buffalo soldier costume, presumably referencing the wild west and its evocation of libertarian wilderness. There's nothing Viking about him at all.

Posted by: Patroklos | Jan 9 2021 2:03 utc | 155

though law enforcement officials told The New York Times that he had been struck by a fire extinguisher.[283"

Anonymous quotes from unofficial sources are not evidence

And furthermore "Reuters reported that Sicknick suffered a stroke after sustaining injuries,[284]"

Which again makes no reference to his head being "crushed" while specifically referencing a "stroke"

A "stroke" does not equal a "crushed head"

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 2:07 utc | 156

@ 156 triden.. of course... i was only pointing this out for consideration in the wider context here..

it is amazing how a rumour can take on a life of its own..

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 2:13 utc | 157

I thought SyrianGirl had a pretty interesting take on the whole thing. First debunks some unlikely theories floating around, then points out in no uncertain terms that anyone who would label that shit terrorism has no idea what the real thing is like. Those who have been on the receiving end have no such delusions. She is quite hard on Trump for basically caving in, and predicts very hard times ahead for "deplorables" and all those who might be even tangentially linked to them--since after all, if we're calling it terrorism, you get all kinds of nifty new laws, surveillance, infiltration, and the like which become perfectly accepted.

Anyway, I think it's worth a few minutes of your time.
https://youtu.be/NkxmiANAQCk

Posted by: J Swift | Jan 9 2021 2:15 utc | 158

Lol! I typed hissy fit and ended up with hussy! It's not a typo. My damn android changes words on me and I failed to notice it in preview.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 9 2021 2:17 utc | 159

Most of the protestors weren't, but the few who broke windows and otherwise destroyed property in the Capitol meet the legal standard. The bozo posing with a podium in his hand presumably expected a Presidential pardon, but he's in for a rude awakening. Trump has already folded. He won't be issuing any controversial pardons in the next two weeks unless he can issue one for himself.

Posted by: Martin Brock | Jan 9 2021 2:21 utc | 160


I've read that half a dozen places. If I am mistaken, I'm eager to hear what the facts are. But your tone and childish name-calling is offensive and has no place on this forum.

This site was once one of my favorites. The people who posted were thoughtful and civil. Sadly, that is no longer the case.

Posted by: David | Jan 9 2021 2:24 utc | 161

The market bubble and this political hysteria are going parabolic in tandem.
My sense of Trump at this moment in time is one of those movie trailers, where the guy is walking out of a building, as it comes crashing down behind him.
Keep in mind they will have to keep the money firehose going full speed ahead, or the markets implode. So they ride that, until the financial system does break down.
Also the Republicans could well win both House and Senate in 22, then we get the Mueller investigation in reverse.
As it is, the fracture lines in this coalition are more than just the old guard versus the progressives. I can only imagine Biden really does not want to give the reins over to Harris and will be far more concerned, after 32 years of running for the presidency, about losing it, than the fortunes of the younger democratic power players and the party as a whole.
So we get the next two years of Biden, Schumer and Pelosi, clinging to power like it is a life raft. Should be interesting, to say the least.

Posted by: John Merryman | Jan 9 2021 2:30 utc | 162

The ends of the circle which ultimately conjoins the radical left and right are now closer to meeting.
Give it up for Trump!
He peeled the onion a bit.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Jan 9 2021 2:32 utc | 163

b: rabble, but not a mob

me: Huh? Aha, there is a distinction. Brook Brothers riot formed a mob, and rabble may peacefully dwell in their hutches, peacefully cooking amphetamine, growing pot, brewing moonshined munching refried beans. To me, rabble is a social stratum, mob is a large collection of people close together and disorderly. Brook Brothers riot occurred in Florida in 2000, under analogous circumstances (dispute about vote counting), nice visuals can be found using image search for "rioting lawyers in Pakistan.

Thus, behaviorally, unwanted Capitol visitors were a mob, sartorially, a rabble.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 9 2021 2:36 utc | 164


Why the nasty tone Triden? I just had another look and all I found was the assertion that he got struck by a fire extinguisher. I'm not saying you're wrong about the facts. I'm always eager to find out what the truth is. It is possible that the many reports I read were all inaccurate. What isn't acceptable is your shitty tone. It's unfortunate that B tolerates posters like you. I find incivility to be common amongst Trump supporters.

Posted by: David | Jan 9 2021 2:39 utc | 165

But to be serious, the way it happened is entirely consistent with Novichok poisoning.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 9 2021 1:20 utc | 138

Nope. A fatality is not consistent with Novichock.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jan 9 2021 2:52 utc | 166

I was banned from Twitter because I posted the following in the context of a conversation about the Capitol happenings:
"Trump is a sociopathic, narcisistic whore. Biden is a sociopathic narcisistic whore. Dems and Repubs-- fight them both."

Twitter people seem to be a bit on edge... I'm probably going to quit them.

Ramin Mazaheri has a good article in The Saker, worth the read: https://thesaker.is/biggest-threat-to-global-leftism-returns-to-power-us-fake-leftism-1-2/

"But what is the Democratic Party? It is fake-leftism."
Mazaheri is Iranian, has lived in France for over a decade, and is pro-Iranian and socialist as far as I can gather.

He sees the Dems and neolibs as the greater evil because of their ability to hook their followers into the big lies.
His take on Macron-- the Biden of France-- has been clear and harsh:
"In 2017 I supported Marine Le Pen for only the two weeks between Round 1 and Round 2 in France’s presidential election because I opposed Emmanuel Macron’s “fake-centrism”. Macron went on to wage incredibly fascistic violence against the Yellow Vests, extended the state of emergency for 2 years, closed down Muslim community centres, gutted longstanding French measures of economic redistribution and protection, and did many other things which would have caused an uproar…if they had been done by Le Pen. Macron was always a fake-centrist – he was also very far on the right, and the failure to call things by their proper names led to even worse long-term social disorder than if the repugnant Le Pen had won."

Posted by: migueljose | Jan 9 2021 2:52 utc | 167

"By using the 'terrorist' moniker Biden, and the media, are taking this thing into the wrong direction. It creates more extremism and will likely have bloody consequences."
INTENTIONAL

Posted by: Babyl-on | Jan 9 2021 2:53 utc | 168

"Is this a terrorist?"

Nope. He looks much more like a member of the Boarding Party who peacefully occupied the wheelhouse of the US Titanic but couldn't find the room where they keep the deck chairs.

The symbolism of a Lego for 6 year-olds is a pithy reminder of rampant political childishness in USA. Same as in Oz. Everyone is sick of it.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 9 2021 2:54 utc | 169

By this point Yankees would get a Patriot Act 2.0 faster than a $2000 check.

Posted by: J W | Jan 9 2021 2:57 utc | 170

You missed the part where they arrived with cable ties and beat a cop to death in order to steal an election.
Terrorists.

Posted by: Sigil | Jan 9 2021 2:59 utc | 171

Thankfully it seems there’s still some sane adults in the MOA room ditto America.

I side with the Democrats and here’s why —-

https://mobile.twitter.com/rephuffman

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2021 3:02 utc | 172

Jack Dorsey just announced to the WORLD that he is more powerful than @realdonaldtrump and @potus by suspending and deleting communications from POTUS.

BREAKING: On Monday after the impeachment, Jack Dorsey will be given "the football" and the launch codes by house leader Nancy Pelosi.

May you live in interesting times!

Posted by: James | Jan 9 2021 3:07 utc | 173

Thankfully it seems there’s still some sane adults in the MOA room ditto America.


Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2021 3:02 utc | 171

Fortunately none of them are you

Posted by: Triden | Jan 9 2021 3:08 utc | 174

Now I am reading that all sorts of social media tools and sites are banning Trump and supporters......night of the long knives sort of BS.

What a hoot! The death, deservedly so, of for profit social media is beginning.

Everybody loses but the bankers.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jan 9 2021 3:08 utc | 175

B,

Very sorry to see you giving the mentally ill Trumpenstein the very, very last benefit of the doubt and to see the Q-kooks that have flocked here like xenic, fat Junebugs to the normally bright lights of the bar - somewhere they won't be stepped on on the sidewalk of real life.

"Steiner didn't attack" is where we're at with this POS.

Not expecting much from Biden, but good god, B.

Here are the "patriots"
https://itsgoingdown.org/this-week-in-fascism-proud-boys-call-to-exterminate-their-enemies-as-stop-the-steal-coalition-faces-growing-pains/

Posted by: daffyDuct | Jan 9 2021 3:11 utc | 176

They fit the definition of terrorists specified in the Patriot Act written by the two political parties. This was an attempt to change the functioning of the government through violent means.

Posted by: Les | Jan 9 2021 3:15 utc | 177

bevin @49
Thanks bevin, as always, very insightful and powerful points about the various ways both parties deceive, manipulate and betray the people. The U.S. empire is a parasite on the planet.

Posted by: migueljose | Jan 9 2021 3:17 utc | 178

It is clear that the exploitation, the pandemic, the depression and the Trump Presidency reached a tipping point and the US government has fallen. Everyone is unprepared for the consequences, the police, the protestors and the politicians. The propaganda is simply not working.

The woman killed climbing the barricade in the Capitol was a 14-year Air Force veteran who served in Afghanistan and Iraq. She is one and the same as the police who shot her. That is civil war. The Endless Wars have come to the National Capital Area.

It is extremely uncertain whether the Biden/Harris Administration is prepared to do what must be done to get the government working again and end the pandemic and return to a civil society. They must restore good governance, end the wars, and enforce the rule of law for all. Indeed, they must acknowledge that this is a multi-polar world again.

Posted by: VietnamVet | Jan 9 2021 3:20 utc | 179

Here’s a much better twitter account than trumps !
Oh wait ! It’s gone permanently.

I recomend the comment section !

https://mobile.twitter.com/repdonbeyer

Looks better than MOA rabble / mob

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2021 3:31 utc | 180

@175 daffyDuct - The Proud Boys were created by Ryan McInnes, one of the co-founders of Vice Magazine. I used to enjoy Vice when it was mostly sex, drugs and rock and roll, but with their massive success, they have become a social justice warrior / woke platform. The whole thing seems like a Project Mockingbird exercise. Vice takes the left, Proud Boys the right. This whole thing is a sad and boring Punch and Judy show. What is being called a coup was not a coup. It wasn't Ukraine. It wasn't Georgia. The Proud Boys are no blackshirts or brownshirts or Svoboda / Azov / Right Sector. It seems to me it was all done for the cameras. Incidentally, filmed by a BLM activist who was in the Capitol when it occurred. It is all just a pretext to further divide an already divided country. I don't buy any of it.
It is extremely sad that people died. I guess we're now 95 people away from the "Heavenly Hundred," the people who lost their lives in the real coup in Ukraine which was instigated by Obama and company. And our president elect was placed in charge of that whole operation.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 9 2021 3:42 utc | 181

Here’s another good take on all this trump incited dog whistle bull shit. Good for a chuckle.

https://www.theonion.com/josh-hawley-condemns-pro-trump-rioters-for-upstaging-hi-1846010370

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 9 2021 3:48 utc | 182

Here’s Paul Jay’s opinion on the real coup of January 6th

The disarray in the American political system, whose name is Trump, is coming to an end. He was Wall St.’s cash cow, and now it’s time to dispose of him as he descends into full-on madness. The billionaires, the financial elites, and their political minions fed Trump’s starving giant ego for four years, got what they wanted in tax cuts and deregulation, and now it’s time to move on. 

This is accomplished by Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, and Mike Pence who have tired of eating Trump’s excrement and set a trap that The Donald walked into, blinded by his adoring fans and delusions of grandeur. While everyone knew for weeks the protest on January 6th was planned and would likely be raucous, the Capitol Hill police, who answer to Congress, which means McConnell, were not put on high alert. Additional police resources were not put in place even though the Mayor of DC pleaded for it, and of course, the protesters marched into Congress almost unimpeded. 

McConnell, Graham, and Pence knew it was time to dump Trump, especially after the loss in Georgia, and had already made it clear they would approve Biden’s certification. They needed to find a way to sink Trump to keep their financial and corporate clients happy and break his hold on the Republican Party. 

The images of the “storming of Congress” was a manipulated piece of theatre that pulled off the real coup that almost everyone wanted, that is the end of Trump. 
Perhaps even Chuck Schumer was in on it, credit him with the most exaggerated and nonsensical rhetoric, calling January 6th a day that will live in infamy, on the scale of Pearl Harbor. In fact, the crowds were smaller than expected, and once the order was given to the police to disperse them, it didn’t take all that long to accomplish. 

I’m only going on what I saw on TV, but most of the crowd seemed to be wandering around the halls of Congress like tourists, gaping at the statues. The more militant group seems small, and most of that was pushing and shoving and a few broken windows, although it was reported that a policeman died the next day from injuries suffered in the scuffle. No doubt it seemed terrifying for police officers, staff, and members of Congress, but words like sedition, insurgency, and such are just an attempt to intimidate the members of Congress that were still hitching their wagons to Trump’s grotesque megalomania. Insurrections require guns, sections of the military, not just a crowd of angry people.  

After four years of groveling, McConnell planned the day not to praise Caesar but to bury him, and the mission seems to have been accomplished. Now, the GOP leaders can continue to build their far-right, criminal party with a less insane face and even more dangerous leader. 

In all likelihood, the Democrats will do very little to make people’s lives significantly better, as the party’s main leadership answers to their own set of Wall St and corporate lords. If this is what the next four years are about, get ready for another version of Trump. The political forces that brought you The Donald are the same as those that created Ronald Reagan. They aren’t going anywhere.

There should be an investigation of the leaders of Congress who allowed this all to take place. Perhaps then the words sedition would be applicable. Even on the grounds of stopping a Covid super spreader event, there should have been more security. The full death toll from all this won’t be known for a few weeks. 

Of course, Trump should be charged with inciting a riot and responsibility for the five fatalities.  But he shouldn’t be in the dock all alone. Yes, impeach him, use the 25th amendment, get rid of the malignancy. But it won’t deal with the systemic cancer that eats at American society. 

The real coup of Jan 6

Posted by: suzan | Jan 9 2021 4:16 utc | 183

So go have a party at your Bundestag, b, yuk it up, kill a few people, shit all over the floors, steal stuff, break stuff. See what sympathy you get from Angela Merkel or the German people. Germany takes its right wing more seriously than Americans do because Americans are hardly aware of it. They call racism and white supremacy "patriotism". You know different, b, or you should. Sounds like you're one of them, doing a little fifth column work in the naive environs of your favorite playground, good ole USA.

You have never been more full of shit than you are in this post. But it ain't funny, comrade, not a bit. It is a justification for mob violence and terror, and as such it is an an attack on democratic process and government. You are one of them.

Posted by: jadan | Jan 9 2021 4:45 utc | 184

HUGE: After 4 Years of Stonewalling Corrupt FBI Finally Admits They’re Holding Seth Rich’s Laptop , By Larry Johnson Published December 9, 2020 at 2:34pm
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/huge-4-years-stonewalling-corrupt-fbi-finally-admits-holding-seth-richs-laptop/

Trump neutered, FBI comes out of the closet on having DNC's Seth Rich laptop for years; why, it way just a normal Washington D.C. cashless street robbery + murder no??

Nothing to do with witch-hunting Russia, Trump or Wikileaks, right?

Posted by: Antonym | Jan 9 2021 4:57 utc | 185

Not quite right once again, b.

They were let in by the cops. There are videos showing the cops opening the gates and the doors to let them in.
https://twitter.com/SusieDroll/status/1347613829220478977
https://twitter.com/zcasal/status/1347630214529085446

Why? Ah, that's the question isn't it?

Posted by: Hoyeru | Jan 9 2021 4:59 utc | 186

Those rabbles were in no way terrorists. They were not even a mob. Most of them were out-of-town rednecks who felt that they had been wronged. They wanted to express that. They were surprised when they found how easy it was to enter the Capitol and they apparently took more time to take pictures than to rearrange the furniture.

This was not a coup attempt either.

The FBI might beg to differ. They have posted a $50,000 reward for the guy who planted pipe bombs at DNC and RNC Headquarters.

4 people died not including the police officer.

There could possibly be charges brought under 18 U.S. Code § 2384 Seditious Conspiracy.

The FBI is investigating plots targetting Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence and looking for individuals who were wearing tactical gear including one carrying a bunch of zip ties.

Thinking they worked for CNN, Trump's mob attacked AP journalists (the Enemy of the people) and trashed their equipment. He (Trump) would probably award them the Medal of Freedom; by them I mean the rioters,

Then there are the lesser crimes of violently breaking into the Capitol Building, trespassing, and destruction and theft of Federal property.

Just an innocent case of rearranging the furniture...

Posted by: Circe | Jan 9 2021 5:18 utc | 187

@Hoyeru | Jan 9 2021 4:59 utc | 185

Cops opening the US senate premises for pro trump protesters because:
a) they feared them
b) they sympathized with Trump
c) were told to do so by their own leadership sympathizing with Trump
d) were told to do so by Swamp elements, to bury Trump forever
e)

Posted by: Antonym | Jan 9 2021 5:20 utc | 188

In the news:

Meet the new boss.


Accordingly, Biden’s handlers have instituted a 100-day mask-wearing period effective immediately on Jan. 20, 2021:

“President-elect Joe Biden on Thursday said he has asked the nation’s top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, to become his chief medical adviser and said he plans to call on Americans to wear masks for the first 100 days of his administration.”

“On the first day I’m inaugurated, I’m going to ask the public for 100 days to mask. Just 100 days to mask — not forever, just 100 days. And I think we’ll see a significant reduction” in the virus, Biden said.

Remember the Patriot Act, that was supposed to be temporary too, it lasted almost 20 years.
(The Patriot Act still lives on in other overlapping legislation and an expiration clause in the Act has an exception
such that it will continue to be a threat to our freedoms.)

So the "100 days" is just to heat the water under the frogs ever so slowly.
And you should expect them to use the 100 days to find a way to effectively mandate it under some
sort of New Patriotic Act.

MSM indoctrination will undoubtedly play a role.

Jan. 20, 2021

Is this the day the nation *visibly* divides?
Will people symbolically turn their backs on the figurehead of the Deep State
by not wearing their masks?

Deep State Inauguration Day, Jan 20, 2021 - a palindrome.

1/20/2021

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Easy to see it.
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Posted by: librul | Jan 9 2021 5:39 utc | 189

@Posted by: Hoyeru | Jan 9 2021 4:59 utc | 185

Those are huge! (thx)

How long until they are deleted?

Posted by: librul | Jan 9 2021 5:45 utc | 190

I don't understand. American president's have been calling the wrong people 'terrorists' for as long as I can remember ... What's unusual about this?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 9 2021 6:02 utc | 191

@ jw - just for you from your quote - "By this point Yankees would get a Patriot Act 2.0 faster than a $2000 check.
Posted by: J W | Jan 9 2021 2:57 utc | 169

caitlin johnstones latest - The Boot Is Coming Down Hard And Fast

"Biden has announced plans to roll out new domestic terrorism laws in the wake of the Capitol Hill riot.

“Mr. Biden has said he plans to make a priority of passing a law against domestic terrorism, and he has been urged to create a White House post overseeing the fight against ideologically inspired violent extremists and increasing funding to combat them,” Wall Street Journal reports.

Did you know that Biden has often boasted about being the original author of the US Patriot Act?

The first draft of the civil rights-eroding USA PATRIOT Act was magically introduced one week after the 9/11 attacks. Legislators later admitted that they hadn’t even had time to read through the hundreds of pages of the history-shaping bill before passing it the next month, yet somehow its authors were able to gather all the necessary information and write the whole entire thing in a week."

"“Civil libertarians were opposed to it,” Biden said in 2002 of his bill. “Right after 1994, and you can ask the attorney general this, because I got a call when he introduced the Patriot Act. He said, ‘Joe, I’m introducing the act basically as you wrote it in 1994.’”

see the article for more...

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 6:14 utc | 192

@ Hoyeru | Jan 9 2021 4:59 utc | 185... thanks.. i wonder how long they will stay up? hopefully someone saves a copy of that... this was a complete set up..

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 6:21 utc | 193

@ Jen at 34

Yes, there is video evidence of the fire extinguisher attack. It was shown last night on the 7 PM Segodnya news program in Russia. It is available on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uLLmfjcSNQ . 3:27 to 3:31 approx.

It shows a group of police to the right of a low white wall scuffling with protesters. One policeman, only the one, was not wearing a helmet. He was pushed backwards towards the wall in the scuffle.

Meanwhile, to the left of the wall, a single male individual, dressed in black, wearing a rucksack, dark blue beanie and apparently with a white face mask, throws a small red fire extinguisher with his right hand. Its butt end strikes the bare-headed policeman square on the back of the head. So hard that it bounces backwards and up. To me it looks like a professional, premeditated killing hit.

Reminds me of the maidan events in Kiev in February 2014. You know, the regime-change operation where Biden was Obama’s point man. Along with Senator John McCain, Victoria Nuland, Geoffrey Pyatt. It seems old Joe has done all this before. Now he’s doing it at home.

Posted by: Alex in Oz | Jan 9 2021 6:23 utc | 194

People are dying by the thousands every day, hospitals are collapsing with Covid patients, burnt out medical staff are working round the clock, and fu*king Trump is creating chaos with a bogus claim that he won the election in a landslide because his monumental ego can't accept he's a damn LOSER! Now dozens of people will end up in prison for his delusional cause and again he escapes accountability!

The man is a depraved egomaniac who has brought ruin and misery on the U.S. There must be serious consequences for his breach of Constitutional responsibility, his pathological lies, dangerous deception, and dereliction of duty.

It's time for some Attorney General to file charges and bring this depraved monster to justice the moment he touches down in Florida on January 19th!

Posted by: Circe | Jan 9 2021 6:24 utc | 195

you must have looked into the abyss b. first time i've had a scroll through the comments in yonks. heaps attacking you. i guess the troll factories five eyes set up to "defeat isis propaganda" are hard at work.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jan 9 2021 6:25 utc | 196

Posted by: Circe | Jan 9 2021 6:24 utc | 194


It's time for some Attorney General to file charges and bring this depraved monster to justice the moment he touches down in Florida on January 19th!

I hope you feel the same way about the last 9 or more depraved monsters to perch atop the throne ...

It seems the only thing Trump did differently was represent the true face of American 'democracy' without the required decorum.


Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 9 2021 6:33 utc | 197

yeah, the required decorum was indeed missing... that is the real sin... all the rest seem immaterial to these same folks... keeping up appearances is where it's at!

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 6:42 utc | 198

Posted by: james | Jan 9 2021 6:42 utc | 197

Kill a million people and put a friendly face on it, people adore you ... what a statesman! (John F. Kennedy).

Make the US public look like fools while doing it, you're the devil incarnate!

Never mind though, as the years draw on the tyrant grows golden with time and even the slave master begins to look like "Statesman" (Jefferson)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 9 2021 6:48 utc | 199

@ 188 librul - that information frightens me knowing the numerological obsession with certain ...

@ 196 arch bungle - i have learned a lot from your posts. Your understanding of logic and argument is something I aspire to one day. i'm still trying to figure out what a straw man argument is. any reading suggestions? as well as from any other patrons.

at least the cool kids at MoA see thru this week's mess and can have a rational discussion about this nonsense. I ran across this quote. more than likely here.

Ennio Fliaiano - In Italy, fascists divide themselves into two categories: fascists and antifascists.

Ennio Flaiaino

Posted by: lex talionis | Jan 9 2021 7:06 utc | 200

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