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January 04, 2021

British Judge Rejects Assange Extradition

This was unexpected. The British district court judge Vanessa Baraitser rejected the U.S. extradition request against Julian Assange:

Kevin Gosztola - 11:07 UTC · Jan 4, 2021
BREAKING: Judge rules against US extradition of Julian Assange, contending extradition would be oppressive by reason of Assange’s mental health

The British judge said that the U.S. prison system is too brutal to be trusted with the health of Assange.

Kevin Gosztola @kgosztola - 10:57 UTC · Jan 4, 2021
Baraitser says Assange is at high risk of suicide and that there is a "real risk" he will be detained subject to special administrative measures (SAMs) in US prison, especially because intelligence community is hostile to him
Baraitser: Extradition would be oppressive by reason of Assange’s mental health
The United States government's mass incarceration system just lost them their case against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange
Holy shit, the judge ends saying she is satisfied that procedures described by US would not prevent Assange from finding a way to commit suicide in US supermax prison
The judge and defense are discussing an application for bail. US government is going to immediately appeal.

The full ruling is available here.

Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz - 11:14 UTC · Jan 4, 2021

UPDATE: Judge ordered no extradition for Assange, and orders him released from Belmarsh Prison, both due to suicide risk concerns. The US has confirmed that it will appeal extradition ruling. He's still jailed, court is in recess and then they'll discuss possible bail or release.

It's likely they'll keep him jailed until after the US appeals the ruling, as Medhurst explains. We're definitely not out of the woods yet. But getting out of Belmarsh is excellent.

This is not a win for freedom of speech or a free press. The judge has accepted the U.S. prosecution arguments against Assange. The extradition rejection is solely on humanitarian grounds.

Anyway, the British government seems to have grown a spine? We can then hope that the U.S.government's appeal will fail.

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Right decision, mendacious reasoning. Assange is still a political prisoner, but for the first time it goes in the right direction.

Posted by: pnyx | Jan 4 2021 21:15 utc | 102

Jonathon Cook on Assange verdict:

"Judge's denial of extradition of Julian Assange is a very welcome moment. Sadly, his reprieve comes not because of the many, many principled arguments against the US extradition case – all of which were rejected by the judge – but because Assange is considered a suicide risk."

Cook provides a long list of the many reasons why this is more reprieve than victory. As I wrote above, Assange's saga is far from over.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2021 21:27 utc | 103

This is entirely based upon a previous case where amerika tried to extradite a teenage kid with autism who was alleged to have poked around the FBI system didn't do anything, just took a look but that was enough for publicity seeking amerikan prosecuters. After a big sympathy drive by englander media the extradition of the kid was dropped
Baraitser referenced the epstein death twice in her ruling and also alleged Mr Assange suffered from autism so she gets to let him go while trying to diminish him and he's bound to a chain that he will not be able to get free of without years more lawyering.

Baraitser has taken the easy way out and done what was always intended. There is no chance Mr Assange will get bail before the appeal which amerika has already notified it will pursue.

Baraitser bent over backwards to ensure that no criticism of amerika's corrupt & oppressive justice & incarceration system made by the defence was upheld.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 4 2021 21:30 utc | 104

thanks paco... kudos to mexico for offering that... a moment of sanity in an insane world...

mark - if you can't recognize what a broken record sounds like, i am unable to help you..

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2021 21:33 utc | 105

Off topic Britain has just gone into total lockdown.
The hospitals are now overwhelmed.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 4 2021 21:34 utc | 106

here's a link to the jonathan cook article someone mentioned earlier..
Assange wins. The cost: Press freedom is crushed, and dissent labelled mental illness

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2021 21:47 utc | 107

James at this stage it’s clear that when it comes to broken records, it is you that is stuck in a groove.
You attack Circe month by month, even if your not envolved in a debate.
I hope you can take that treatment as well as dish it out. We will see. Stop bullying. I note your critical focus is always directed toward the left, and never to the right.
How ironic that on a post concerning silencing journalists, here you are trying to silence left commentaters ?
I’m sure you are having a bad effect on donations to this blog !
There are more than enough right wing media’s without dragging this one to the right.
Please take your own advice ——- if you disagree just ignore. You don’t appear to do that.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 4 2021 21:52 utc | 108

UK Judge Vanessa Baraitser probably ruled against the USA extradition of Julian Assange because of Ghislaine Maxwell, UK socialite and Jeffrey Epstein's pimp being held without bail in NYC.

Does Baraitser have a Maxwell connection through the UK oligarch Royals?

I don't think she does......

It's other UK elites who have such connections.....

Your argument is refreshing in it's thinking outside the box....

Most likely, She will approve his release on his own recognisance.... ie: no bail $$ required...

Most likely, the US appeal will be rejected out of hand....

This is payback for US incarceration of Maxwell... without doubt...

I believe Assange will be given a soap box in the UK.... and carte blanche to villify the US....

UNTIL the US cops a deal WRT Maxwell....

Then he will be sent to Moscow, Beijing, or Sydney depending....

He will not go to Mexico....


Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Jan 4 2021 21:58 utc | 109

no mark... i am fucking pissed off with this idiot circe and the constant yelling at others and this endless trump mania.. it's fucking sickening and although i have tried to ignore the asshole, i've lost my shit today....

for those interested , i found this commentary from mark curtis relevant...

"The British problem

We in Britain face a deep cultural problem. Our governance system, and the common mindset of foreign policy-makers — steeped in the old, imperial grandeur of former empire builders — suffers from extreme secrecy and elitist notions of a right to rule.

With their major ally, the US superpower, British policy-makers and military leaders act as if they have a right to rule the world by force, changed from the colonial era only in their diminished means to carry it out.

Ministers love lauding UK “democracy” around the world as though Britain is some kind of model for other countries. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Certainly when it comes to foreign policy making, the UK is in reality a highly centralised state where decisions are routinely made behind closed doors by a handful of people, shielded from democratic scrutiny. "

The Ministry of Defence blacklisted Declassified – but won’t admit it

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2021 22:04 utc | 110

and mark - is this another fucking trump thread?? is that all you fucking want to talk about? it gets tiring extremely quick.. but your asshole friend circe will try to turn every fucking thread into another trump conversation.. that is how fucking stupid you and circe are and i am a fucking idiot trying to talk normal to you too!

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2021 22:07 utc | 111

What are they up to?
Has the bitch judge set it up for the Americans to win the appeal? Should the Defense be ready to appeal the valid grounds that she discarded?

Posted by: intp1 | Jan 4 2021 22:16 utc | 112

The only thing that matters is that Assansge is not extradited and that he is FREED! The reasoning of the judgement is absolutely irrelevant. It means nothing because the whole treatment of Assange has been blatant, aggressive and shocking abuse of the law. The court case has been a farce displaying the true nature of the UK and its justice system. That is why expecting justice for Assange was naive and unrealistic. What is important is that he is set free after this decision. Lets not dignify this decision by considering it and analysing it as if it were a judgement and by looking for justice in it.

Posted by: JB | Jan 4 2021 22:17 utc | 113

Thanks for your comment James.
You now know how it feels to be on the receiving end of the attacks you use toward Circe.
Have empathy now.
Just stop.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 4 2021 22:22 utc | 114

If, and that's a big if, Julian is able to escape the UK, Russia might be good destination. It might be the the only place with the capability stop, undo or counteract the "medical treatment" he's received in 5-eyes custody; since that treatment might be similar to that given Arafat or Hugo Chavez, not to mention Jack Ruby. Of course those treatments may have been superseded by more modern techniques. So far the condition of his brain and cognitive ability is unknown. Julian as a living but chemically lobotomized zombie might suit the ruling caste quite well.

Posted by: NOBTS | Jan 4 2021 22:33 utc | 115

Intp1 @112

I suggest you give Elephants comment @73 some consideration.

Posted by: S.O. | Jan 4 2021 22:43 utc | 116

@73 indeed does a great job at exploring the overlooked angle.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jan 4 2021 22:52 utc | 117

karlof1 @56 wrote:
Assange's most powerful asset is that Truth resides with him, not his enemies.

Perhaps Assange has a powerful truth that was not a card to play against the Trump administration but a huge embarrassment to the Biden administration?

Posted by: Citizen621 | Jan 4 2021 22:56 utc | 118

It seems unlikely that the US will win any appeal. Their best hope was in the forum, run by a Judge who is essentially part of the MI6 family with a utter conformist, in the ungainly shape of Baraitser, presiding. Baraitser essentially carried out the instructions the four US Embassy lawyers, in court throughout the proceedings indicated.
Bad as the real Judges in the Appeal Court may be they are likely to be considerably more scrupulous in their assessment of the evidence that Baraitser and he boss were.
The charges were clearly political- the Court of Appeals could not deny this without risking their professional credibility. The evidence of any illegality on Assange's part-hacking- was very weak, Baraitser who is nobody could pretend otherwise, no bench of judges could.
And yet, the fight is far from being over; everywhere the curtains are coming down on free speech and free expression. And in the cyberworld surveillance, and potentially intimidation, reach into every corner.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 4 2021 22:59 utc | 119

Baraitser rejects Ass.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Jan 4 2021 22:59 utc | 120

"Astroturf" is an American word, I wonder what the British equivalent is.

Mark2, with his fake "lookit me blokes, I can't spell properly, I can't formulate properly, I can't reason properly - aint me bein a cute and genuine character" script, has since he popped up here always distinctly smelled like a GCHQ/77th Brigade operator.

Posted by: Lurk | Jan 4 2021 23:02 utc | 121

Patrick Cockburn's reaction to today's development is worth reading.

A comment on the article by "hemiola" further raises some interesting points on the potential damage of the decision to the future of investigative journalism.

In my view, based on the relentlessly persistent persecutory behaviour of Baraitser in her judgement the actual extradition of Assange now appears to be secondary in importance, as far as the British are concerned, to the comprehensive destruction of investigative journalism, the ability of journalists to operate outside of the approved pro-establishment mainstream, and the ability of journalists to publish state secrets even in the public interest and where secrecy is used to protect state criminality. They have concluded that by disabling the extradition on health risk grounds the loss of the ability to have Assange put on trial, in itself, is small compared to the importance of completely destroying independent journalism that is not completely under the state thumb.

In asserting this intent I am not only referring to independent media. Looking at the tone and content of Baraitser's judgement - and in particular the extent to which Baraitser is so relentless in dismissing the entirety of the arguments of the defence - comprehensively and in every detail - with the tiny exception of the issue of risk of suicide, it is clear that the intent is to demolish in its entirety every trace of the use of journalism as a defence, and to support the completion of the change in the nature of journalism in the West from one with elements of free speech and independent investigation to one in which media publication is comprehensively blocked from rising above the level of state propaganda. It is interesting that, by contrast, Baraitser is equally comprehensive in rejecting every detail of the US arguments against the suicide risk - in exactly the same way as so comprehensive in rejecting every other aspect of the defence. Both (a) the comprehensive destruction of the defence arguments (blindly and even stupidly so, in my non-legal opinion) and (b) the comprehensive destruction of the US arguments against a serious suicide risk, appear to indicate a pre-determined (pre relative to the judgement) policy decision of the British State with respect to (a) and (b) in combination. The thinking seems to be that by killing the extradition itself, the British State will kill opposition to the legal precedent set by the judgement in destroying real journalism.

The aim of this judgement is to show that journalism of 5 years ago will no longer be tolerated or permitted, but rather will be exterminated as relentlessly and as brutally as Assange has been (virtually, so far) exterminated. The warning is not just to "alternative media" (which are step by step being comprehensively exterminated anyway), but in particular to mainstream journalists, to make sure that all mainstream journalists go into complete lockstep and to exterminate any remaining rebellious tendencies within the MSM.

Independent journalists, and lawyers and organisations in this field, need to take urgent and comprehensive action against every detail of Baraitser's judgment (with exception of the suicide issues), to prevent it becoming a valid legal precedent.

Assange will not be extradited - the comprehensiveness with which Baraitser dismissed the arguments against the suicide risk indicate that must be the current British State policy, but all those interested in the protection of independent investigative journalism and "free" speech urgently need to resist the temptation to relax, and to vigorously and relentlessly protest this judgement and take whatever legal actions are possible to block it as a legal precedent.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 4 2021 23:03 utc | 122


If you had reading comprehension skills or half a brain you would have noticed that others before me brought Trump into this equation which is understandable since Assange was arrested under Trump's Justice Department and Trump's watch! Of course they brought Trump into the equation in a totally delusional context which I must object to and it's none of your damn business as I was not addressing you! So buzz off and stick your nose where it belongs! You owe me an apology for that abnoxious hissy fit you pulled. Are you practicing to be Tannenhouser's echo?

Thank you Mark2. It appears you pushed all of james' buttons coming to my defense. Good on you. If james had his way this would be an echo chamber where all his comment paragraphs start @xyz I agree...@abc I really totally agree...@123...Interesting, you read my mind.

Come to think of it...I could find at least 100 comments in his blog history that look exactly like that! Ahhhh-haha!

So keep bringing your own different voice that annoys the hell out of james.


Aye...You just don't get it. You really messed up that comprehension, and it's no excuse to put words in my mouth, mister. I meant that the only thing that separates Trump and Hillary is their gender, dum-dum. They are equally corrupt and depraved.

Brother!...Am I going to have to draw you a picture next time? 🙄

Posted by: Circe | Jan 4 2021 23:22 utc | 123

circe - you can fuck off too... the feeling is mutual.. an endless windbag on trump... that is all you are...

Posted by: james | Jan 4 2021 23:25 utc | 124

Citizen621 @118--

Thanks for your reply! I've not examined the entire trove of Documents Assange has published, but there are "embarrassments" aplenty for Biden and many proposed members of his administration in those I'm aware of and certainly more in those I've yet to discover. Wednesday the 6th when Assange returns to court for a bail hearing will mark the 80th anniversary of President Roosevelt's famous Four Freedoms Speech--Freedom of Speech and Religion, and From Want and Fear. I've mused about writing an essay related to this anniversary that details the Outlaw US Empire's opposition to allowing those freedoms to flourish where the War against Assange would figure prominently. Ironically, FDR himself by imprisoning US citizens of Japanese ancestry (and those of other ethnicities) in Concentration Camps--backed legally by the US Supreme Court--broke all his declared Freedoms and perhaps ought to make us ponder on our condition since Freedom is a chimera for most US citizens.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jan 4 2021 23:27 utc | 125

"b believes there is no separation of powers in the UK. I can't say I disagree with that, it is an oligarchic state."
Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 4 2021 15:53 utc | 43

Alexander Kielland platform was startskuddet to Norways privatization and oligarchic rule, bering brevik made sure that our politicians towed the nato/u.s terror campaigns and privatized and sold out the rest of our common national values.
AK ulykken er den første nyheten jeg husker 🤷‍♂️

Posted by: Per/Norway | Jan 5 2021 0:48 utc | 126

This is Julian Assange partner’s twitter account.
I imagine if we want to keep fully informed, this will be a very good place to start.

What lovely children,

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 5 2021 0:58 utc | 127

Lurk @121

That particular paid troll previously had a great deal more misspellings before it accidentally let slip that it had spelling check/autocorrect on the device it was using to post from. After I pointed out the contradiction it moved to inappropriate homophones rather than outright spelling errors. The problem remains though that iOS and Android autocorrect both check if their suggestion at least somewhat makes grammatical sense - adverbs with verbs, not suggesting a verb following another verb, suggesting more common words before less commonly used ones, stuff like that. They work with basic grammar that even an idiot wouldn't get wrong; nevertheless, the troll in question continues to display obvious lexical errors even if its posts have less outright spelling errors.

In any case, you are absolutely correct. The "errors" are deliberately inserted to disguise text generated by algorithm or committee.

I point this out not to discourage posters from countering what the troll posts because there is always value in that in this form of media. Just don't assume that you can change the troll's mind. Whether it is an algorithm or committee, it has no mind that can be changed.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2021 1:06 utc | 128

Two timely good reads about Assange, one by Glenn Greenwald the other by Chris Hedges.

Posted by: Jay-Ottawa | Jan 5 2021 1:30 utc | 129

james @124

Try to have a little sympathy. That individual is severely damaged. When I say that she has "Post Trump Stress Disorder (PTSD)", it is only half in jest. She has just endured four years in which in every waking moment she was fixated on what she perceived as the outrageous personal insult of Trump being President. Like the persistent agony from a broken tooth that cannot be ignored, the personal affront to her identity that Trump represented in her fractured mind went on for year after year. Every time she visited her favorite news aggregator site, every time she turned on her TV, every time she checked Facebook, every time she scanned Twitter, there was Trump mocking her and denigrating her very identity. It doesn't matter that this all only occurred in her imagination. For the poor damage case it felt just as real as if Trump were slapping her in the face every minute of every day. For four years.

You obviously have achieved a level of emotional maturity that out poor drug witch has never even come close to. She is stunted at the adolescent "identity" stage of emotional development in Erik Erikson's psychosocial progression like so many others in her generation, and Trump simply existing as President seemed to her to trivialize the identity that she had never been able to fully realize and solidify.

In the larger scheme of things, with millions of Americans sleeping in the rough, thousands of Yemeni kids being shredded by American bombs, Assange being chemically tortured with BZ on a daily basis, and thousands of people dying from a very unusual virus every single day, Circe's mental trauma seems ridiculous and even self-indulgent. Such behavior would certainly feel embarrassingly narcissistic to most of the more mature posters here. To an adult with the emotional security of a child, on the other hand, the perceived insult to her identity caused very real mental damage. She has very real Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Basically, what I am saying is to think of Circe like a dog that has been kicked every day for years, or a child that has been abused. Don't take her ranting personally; she's just childishly externalizing her own demons. I seriously doubt anyone here will let her shrill nonsense color their opinion of you or anyone else she freaks out at. Pity her.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2021 2:32 utc | 130

The issue is freedom of expression.
Here are two takes:

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 5 2021 2:32 utc | 131

Good for Julian. A crack of light finally, for the great Australian.

However, the ruling will still effectively have the same chilling effect upon the media as it would have had if he’d have been extradited.

The message is clear: ‘Journalists... we have planes, you will travel.’

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 5 2021 2:42 utc | 132

@Lurk 121
Yeah, the virtue signal and mainstream groupthink is strong with this one... 77th ✅

Posted by: MadMax2 | Jan 5 2021 2:44 utc | 133

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 5 2021 2:32 utc | 131

If what is said in this article is true, then some serious questions need to be raised about Wikileaks and it's trustworthiness and by extension that of Assange himself ...

I wonder if anybody has gone down the rabbit hole on the claim that Wikileaks may actually be a front operation for the deep state?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2021 3:46 utc | 134

@130 William Gruff

All those words for little ol' me? Methinks you're the one with a problem. Projecting much?

Trump is fast-tracking federal executions before Biden takes office.


Assange better win his appeal in case Trump returns in 2024 to finish the job.

Why is Trump on a killing spree now?

Here's why, from

Eliminate the death penalty. Over 160 individuals who’ve been sentenced to death in this country since 1973 have later been exonerated. Because we cannot ensure we get death penalty cases right every time, Biden will work to pass legislation to eliminate the death penalty at the federal level, and incentivize states to follow the federal government’s example. These individuals should instead serve life sentences without probation or parole.

Posted by: Circe | Jan 5 2021 3:57 utc | 135

Vaguely off topic:

In a bizarre turn of events, NYSE has decided to reverse its previous decision (from last Thursday) to follow President Trump's Executive Order to delist three Chinese Telecom giants (China Mobile, China Telecom, and China Unicom Hong Kong) identified as "affiliated with the Chinese military".
But now, in a statement on parent ICE's website, NYSE reversed its previous stance:

In light of further consultation with relevant regulatory authorities in connection with Office of Foreign Assets Control FAQ 857, available here, the New York Stock Exchange LLC (“NYSE”) announced today that NYSE Regulation no longer intends to move forward with the delisting action in relation to the three issuers enumerated below (the “Issuers”) which was announced on December 31, 2020.

At this time, the Issuers will continue to be listed and traded on the NYSE.

NYSE Regulation will continue to evaluate the applicability of Executive Order 13959 to these Issuers and their continued listing status.

From RedneckZerohedge:

"Bizarre" indeed, how dare they oppose the dictates of the orange emperor!

So, Wall Street has already written off Trump before the door has even smacked him on the way out ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2021 4:06 utc | 136

Arch Bungle at @134

The deep state must be playing some higher dimension chess if they control Wikileaks. It's hard to imagine how it would help their board to have Wikileaks make many of the revelatory moves it has played (Vault 7 for one, as well as other spotlights shone on deep power institutions).

I read the islamtimes article as well, and can understand going down the rabbit hole as you suggest. We might find a rabbit there, but we might find a fox hiding there instead.

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 5 2021 4:30 utc | 137

Lurk@120 and William Gruff@128
One way you can tell an operative of British intelligence, be they ever so humble as per the morphing Mark2?
They express empathy towards Circe.
These virtual personalities are the harbinger of what is to come: the President (Elect) of the an algorithmic construct!

Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 5 2021 5:11 utc | 138

Posted by: Kabobyak | Jan 5 2021 4:30 utc | 137

You know what terrifies me? The possibility that our heroes could tell a thousand truths in preparation for one key lie ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2021 5:12 utc | 139

British scientists fear vaccines may not protect against a variant of the coronavirus found in South Africa
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My lymphocytes are significantly exceeded from 260 to 500 points as a percentage of 9 to 15% and t cells are exceeded. I can imagine 4 immunograms. I have a very strong acquired specific (adaptive) immunity. The difference between innate and my immunity. My immune system lets the virus in and then fights it by producing antibodies I've had covid-19 four times
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The vaccine can be made only to healthy people and what to do to patients with coronavirus The medicine on monoclonal antibodies is universal. This medicine can cure in a couple of days. .The National Research Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology named after N. F. Gamalei has started developing drugs from monoclonal antibodies. And if they turn to me for help, Russia will create the strongest drug from covid-19
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The diagnosis (organic personality disorder) was made illegally, under pressure from Kazan without conducting a psychiatric examination for a similar article. I am a privileged patient who did not take any medications. And no treatment for 6 years

Posted by: Rishat | Jan 5 2021 7:53 utc | 140

@ Mark2 | Jan 4 2021 22:22 utc | 114

Have empathy now.
Just stop.

Empathy huh? How about you wishing people here dead? Did I miss your apology? You should not talk about empathy.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 5 2021 8:08 utc | 141

Why is anyone here lowering themselves to relate to the two dembots who're obvious shills for the globalist arseholery that is set upon destroying any future for our kids, grandkids and great-grandkids? Just ignore the low life scum. The englander one came in here from right wing offguardian site spewing racist anti-semitic nonsense in an obvious ploy to get the blog condemned as racist when contributors have always distinguished between anti- zionism & anti-semitism, it was only after many repeated efforts by a number of moa-ites to point out that our issue was with zionists, not jews per se, that he pulled his head in. Fail #1 they have 'enjoyed' at least 57 fails since, he & the dembot, who are the most blatant plants on this site & I just dunno why anyone lets themself be sucked in any more.

Yeah james, I know how it feels when someone you hoped may not be, finally does show themself to be an arsehole, but that is them, not you, and it would be great if you dealt with this better than the rest of us have e.g. IGNORE.

The pair of 'em are fascist bulwarks of creepy, vampires for corporate capitalism & can only be driven from this site by a concerted, unified cold shoulder.

This isn't TDS or whatever, it is just a basic boring as all get up attempt to be divisive by a pair of minimum wage wannabe handmaidens to empire, IOW forelock clutching tools of the dying anglo-amerikan elite. Quit biting at their lame bait which lets face it is nothing but lame tropes constructed around the same old ad hominem nonsense which the greedies have spouted since the year dot. Do that & they will fuck off for 'greener pastures' quicker than a rat up a drainpipe.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 5 2021 8:53 utc | 142

Norwegian @141
That was me trying to teach you empathy!
You’v been here month after month after month trying to persuade people to go against sound medical advice in the face of a highly contagious pandemic.
But I notice you take my comment out of that context.
You should be locked up for culpable mansloughter.
You covid herd immunity people are responsible for the continuation of this epidemic and the resulting deaths.
This’s isn’t my blog if it was you would not be on it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 5 2021 9:06 utc | 143

Debsisdead @ 142
Just becouse your man trump is a busted flush no need to take it out on us. He lost get over it ha ha ha
This same cognitive dissonance has spread all over America right now.
Get over it.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 5 2021 9:19 utc | 144

Jon L #4

Bugger me, that's unexpected!
Still, we'll see what happens next , I'm not trusting any of those bastards yet....

Thank you and I would never trust them either. Not at any time under any circumstance.

Assange circumstance reminds me of a character described by that great communist writer of Indonesia - Pramoedya Ananta Toer or Prem as he was affectionately known. He wrote a quartet that was banned and finally translated into English by a remarkable Australian and then to many other languages.

I trust that our brother Julian will recover and escape the claws of the evil rsoles that have attacked him.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 5 2021 9:43 utc | 145

@Per/Norway | Jan 5 2021 0:48 utc | 126

Alexander Kielland platform was startskuddet to Norways privatization and oligarchic rule, bering brevik made sure that our politicians towed the nato/u.s terror campaigns and privatized and sold out the rest of our common national values.
AK ulykken er den første nyheten jeg husker 🤷‍♂️

I am an engineer and I remember the Kielland accident in March 1980. We walked through that accident in detail at university. The problem was metal fatigue in one of the 5 legs due to improper installation of measuring instruments. Regarding Breivik, I agree. 22. July 2011 was Norway's 9/11 and it was indeed an orchestrated event designed to take down all opposition to Israel and NATOs terror campaigns. It was so successful that then PM Jens Stoltenberg is now NATOs General Secretary, and no friend of Assange.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 5 2021 9:47 utc | 146

Now is my way clear, now is the meaning plain:
Temptation shall not come in this kind again.
The last temptation is the greatest treason:
To do the right deed for the wrong reason.
"Murder in the Cathedral" by T.S. Eliot

Posted by: skrik | Jan 5 2021 9:51 utc | 147

Yeah, Right #92

Maybe Vanessa Baraitser has heard on the grapevine that Trump intends to pardon Assange, so she has been told to avoid the embarrassment to the UK of shipping him over their in chains only for the Americans to remove the shackles when he arrives?

Right on and thank you. That's not a grapevine however, its a poison ivy growing out of the permanently polluted rs of the USAi and every President and VP that hods office.

Vindictiveness and grasping greed is their trade and the inauguration party in a week or two is just another event in the uninterrupted cycle of graft, deception and war mongering.

Brother Julian is definitely unsafe in either the UK or the USA.

I would be surprised if Trump did intend to pardon him but Biden would NEVER consider doing that. The mask comes off Biden and Harris soon and we may get a more revealing image. Right now they are looking like a pair of mercenary grifters desperate to get the cash rolling in while they appoint another cabinet just like Trumps -scheming warmongering turds.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jan 5 2021 10:05 utc | 148

A comment on the article by "hemiola" further raises some interesting points on the potential damage of the decision to the future of investigative journalism.
In my view, based on the relentlessly persistent persecutory behaviour of Baraitser in her judgement the
Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 4 2021 23:03 utc | 122

Strange! That was MY comment further up this thread Posted by: BM | Jan 4 2021 15:39 utc | 41 that you quoted verbatim in full! Thanks for quoting me. The comment by "hemiola" did not acknowledge me as source.

Posted by: BM | Jan 5 2021 12:43 utc | 149

If b began deleting Off Topic comments I certainly wouldn't complain.

b initiated 100 Open Threads in 2020, an average of 2 per week. And it's still not enough for the self-obsessed dickheads, cretins and trolls who have descended like a witless plague on this blog.

Hey morons! If you want to publish an Off Topic comment at MoA, PLEASE do it on an Open Thread?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 5 2021 13:03 utc | 150

The issue is freedom of expression.
Posted by: Australian lady | Jan 5 2021 2:32 utc | 131

Sorry, but I beg to differ.
The problem in the pseudo-Christian Western Mock Democracies is SECRECY.
Every Professional Politician, "approved" by one of the two parties in the Tr-r-aditional duopoly, is taking bribes to do the bidding of the Axis Of Evil aka The Deep States of AmeriKKKa, Britain, France & "Israel".

A Deep State relies upon control of a permanent (unelected) bureaucracy for its perpetuation. That's why our local Duopoly-approved politician doesn't listen to us, or writes condescending letters in reply to our own written expressions of angst.

We can fix the problem at the next election by voting for an independent candidate who has a sensible policy platform developed as a result of LISTENING to what the electorate is demanding. We must NOT vote for ANY politician proposed by either Duopoly party.

Once we've replaced the Professional, bribed, Duopoly politicians with independents who listen to voters, then we can tell them to launder the Permanent Bureaucracy in Public Hearings, and repeal ALL of the Secrecy Laws. Only Criminals and Traitors need secrecy. Life's too short to tolerate the elevation of Criminals/Traitors into positions of power.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 5 2021 13:41 utc | 151

lets finish this comment section with Roger Waters on RT:
While Waters said he was heartened by the “scenes of jubilation” outside the Old Bailey courthouse following the decision, he noted it was “equally sobering” to see that the United States had already filed an appeal “within minutes of the judgement.

“This is clearly a delaying tactic,” he said of the ruling, adding that lawyers representing Washington “obviously” knew of the judge’s plan to deny extradition “because they have coached Judge Baraitser all the way through the entire… kangaroo court in London.”

Further cautioning against optimism, the rockstar said a US appeal could drag out Assange’s case for “at least another couple of years,” while predicting that Baraitser would not grant him bail.

“She claims he’s a flight risk… She’ll give all the usual reasons. The real reason is, of course, is they want to keep him confined until he dies. That’s what they’re hoping for,” Waters said, adding that while Baraitser declined extradition, she nonetheless “judged that the whole US case against Assange was correct, legally, that the United States won the argument.”

“If we allow the United States government to crucify a journalist on the grounds that he revealed war crimes by them, then we give up our access to the real world. We say ‘OK, we will believe what you tell us,’” he said, adding that corporate media outlets continue to wage “a very, very powerful propaganda campaign” to “smear Julian Assange.”

Posted by: gary mckinnon | Jan 5 2021 14:14 utc | 152

I think that Uncle Sugar cannot afford to bring Assange here right now, and that is why this dog-and-pony show is going on.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jan 5 2021 14:25 utc | 153

Robert Browning wrote:
"Assange is a CIA regime change asset. There as never any doubt he was not going to jail."
((Posted by: Robert Browning | Jan 4 2021 13:04 utc | 15 ))
My comment:
The CIA and other parts of the US of North A regime have for years now made a habit of culling (killing) their own assets when they're "burned". So too with their plans for Julian Assange.

Posted by: JoveBove/區司/Áss | Jan 5 2021 15:13 utc | 154

Posted by: JoveBove/區司/Áss | Jan 5 2021 15:13 utc | 154
Posted by: Robert Browning | Jan 4 2021 13:04 utc | 15 )
(and others ...)

Where is the verifiable data indicating Assange is a deep state plant or CIA operative?

Or at least, where is the rational analysis of why he could be?

Otherwise these allegations range into the "Reptilian Shapeshifter" spectrum of conspiracy nuttery.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jan 5 2021 15:43 utc | 155

gary mckinnon @Jan5 14:14 #152

Extended imprisonment? Yeah, but I'm a bit more cynical as I foresee the possibility of Assange being 'Epsteined' (see my comment @Jan4 16:19 #47).


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2021 15:57 utc | 156

Posted by: BM | Jan 5 2021 12:43 utc | 149

Sorry, my bad for not catching that obvious plagiarism. Your insightful comment bears repeating, misattributions notwithstanding.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Jan 5 2021 16:05 utc | 157

@ Posted by: frtitzcat | Jan 5 2021 16:10 utc | 158

The CPC has dozens of millions of members. You're falsely taking the whole by a piece.

To say the CPC is capitalist because some of its members are corrupt is no different than stating the Democratic Party is socialist because it is supporting USD 2,000.00 relief checks.

Posted by: vk | Jan 5 2021 16:59 utc | 158

Beware of British justice. Court verdicts are often synchronised - a good one followed by a bad one at a later hearing to make it look as if UK justice is balanced.

In such a situation in the judge's decision, the points will have been laid out to make it easy for the appeal prosecution to dismiss them and win.

I hope this doesn't happen but it's how British justice can operate in sensitive cases

Posted by: Ruth | Jan 5 2021 17:33 utc | 159

"The aim of this judgement is to show that journalism of 5 years ago will no longer be tolerated or permitted.."
Journalism never has been permitted in the UK. Tolerated, under certain circumstances and where the Establishment felt omnipotent but even then subject to continual harassment and attack.
Modern British journalism- one could say modern journalism- was founded by William Cobbett who spent years in jail, exile or under threat of the law which is nicely crafted to allow the state to impose itself at will.
Look at what has happened to The Guardian in the past ten years! And under an editor who actually wrote a play in praise of Rachel Corrie.

As to trolls it isn't what they say it's the way that they do it- their aim is to disrupt the intelligent and courteous discussion of important matters, which by its nature threatens the power of the state to dictate popular narratives, and to reduce a forum to childish squabbling and name calling.

I might add, at the risk of provoking more on this trivial matter, that the basis of critiques of individuals as being psychologically 'damaged' or socially "ill adjusted" is the belief that to be well adjusted to an evil society ruled by predators who establish its standards of behaviour, is a sign of mental health. It isn't.

The problem with Circe is that s/he is generally wrong. But not always: s/he makes an interesting point by quoting Biden's conversion to ending Federal Capital Punishment. In this area he does indeed represent an advance on Trump who seems to have learned his politics at Bill Clinton's knees. Bill Clinton and Roy Cohn's.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 5 2021 18:07 utc | 160

Craig Murray has posted his initial reaction.

While he is very concerned that the judgement "... accepted all of the prosecution’s case on the right of the US Government to prosecute publishers worldwide of US official secrets under the Espionage Act" he nevertheless would be "... very surprised if Julian is not released on Wednesday pending the appeal."

I find Murray's hopium to be unwarranted. Is he giving false hope or is he trying to create a public relations hurdle for USA-British government?

USA has demonstrated its determination to pursue Assange relentlessly and to pressure other governments when necessary. And Baraitser has ruled absolutely and totally in favor of USA. An appeal will only address a single point: USA's ability to imprison Assange humanely and prevent his suicide. So I would be very surprised if Assange is denied bail.

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I'm not sure why Murray attempts to convince us of the genuineness of Baraitser's concen for human rights given her clear disregard for press freedom and that her ruling leaves nothing to argue in appeal except the conditions under which USA would imprison Assange.

600-lb elephant: How can a propagandized/gaslighted public hold secretive governments and their officials accountable without whistle-blower protections like what is offered by Assange/Wikileaks?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2021 18:21 utc | 161

bevin @Jan5 18:07 #161

The problem with Circe is that s/he is generally wrong.

No, the problem with Circe is that he* focuses our attention on the symptom (Trump) instead of the disease (an undemocratic, EMPIRE-FIRST Deep State and its oligarch allies).

US Presidential front-men are lightening rods for criticism. Partisan hacks like Circe work to ensure that the lightening strikes generate more heat than light.


* I am quite sure he is male given his reaction unfeminine-like reaction to certain issues.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2021 18:41 utc | 162

Being a Cia asset does not preclude someone from being later sacrificed.
It is particularly important to mention that those who early on debunked the Wikileaks also suggested that it was going to be used as an excuse for bringing down internet freedom.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jan 5 2021 18:41 utc | 163

I seem to recall that back in the 1970's the ol' Sov Un used to declare any 'dissidents'and refuseniks 'insane' and subject them to psychological abuse, and put them in gulags. Now dear old Britland does that, right out of the Brezhnev-era playbook, and the Russians instead offer asylum to Edward Snowden. I wonder if it has occurred to TPTB that the optics of this are not good, and even though Covid is a distraction it does not necessarily mean we are asleep. Trump should pardon both Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning and draw a line under this whole sordid business.

Posted by: Emmanuel Golstein | Jan 5 2021 18:58 utc | 164

@ William Gruff | Jan 5 2021 2:32 utc | 130... thanks william.. i went off the deep end and have more to learn in life it seems... it reminds me of playing free jazz where you basically let go all your inhibitions and let er rip... i occasionally approach life this way too... i can always repent in leisure!

@ Debsisdead | Jan 5 2021 8:53 utc | 142.. thanks debs.. today is a different day... back to the usual 'ignore recipe'..

@ bevin | Jan 5 2021 18:07 utc | 161.. the problem is being a ''one topic'' only poster... they need a special needs forum set up especially for them..

below is craig murrays on this which i have yet to read and to which jackrabbit refers to @163.. might reply to you later after i read it..

The Assange Verdict: What Happens Now

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2021 19:13 utc | 165

bevin @161: "...the basis of critiques of individuals as being psychologically 'damaged' or socially "ill adjusted" is the belief that to be well adjusted to an evil society ruled by predators who establish its standards of behaviour, is a sign of mental health. It isn't."

To be certain, and the individual in question is indeed well adjusted to that evil society. The members of that society are expected to emotionally invest in one of the two establishment parties and view as evil incarnate the other party and its adherents. That's our drug witch.

I never said that Circe was 'socially "ill adjusted"'. On the contrary she is so well-adjusted that when the corporate mass media whispers "Russia!" in her ear she flies into a panic just as she is supposed to do. She dances on her marionette strings when the mass media yanks them just like a properly conditioned American should. She is too well adjusted and barks too wildly when the mass media blows her dog whistles. She dances too enthusiastically when they jerk her chains. What I specified is that she is damaged. The mass media doesn't consider her well-being when manically commanding her to jump, and in trying to keep up with the beat of the music from the "Mighty Wurlitzer" she has done herself serious injury.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2021 19:22 utc | 166

@ jackrabbit.. comment to craig murray article from me - " i hope you are correct in all your assessments here… i kind of doubt it though… they haven’t dragged assange this far to come to this… if he gets bail, i will be impressed… if the usa doesn’t appeal, i will be very surprised… i can’t don’t share your rosy optimism here, in spite of the fact i would love to.. " basically i agree with your viewpoint, although i am wording it differently or from a different angle..

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2021 19:24 utc | 167

Jackrabbit @ 162
This link should clearly explain to you Craig Murray’s position on Julian Assange’s case.
In a word ‘pragmatism’

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 5 2021 19:39 utc | 168

From link provided by Mark2 @Jan5 19:39 #169:

🎗 Christine Assange #FreeAssangeNOW @MrsC_Assange·12h

Please Note:

Julian has NOT yet been granted Bail!

His lawyers will be making a bail application on Wednesday

His prison HMP Belmarsh is #Covid infected & positive cases are being transferred to his cell block

His life at extreme risk as he has a chronic lung condition


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Jan 5 2021 19:58 utc | 169

I am not convinced that Julian Assange is a saint and that Wikileaks is to be trusted at face value. Make good use of whatever comes out from it and proves to be real, but keep on guard that an unseen selection of information to be divulged may be in play. Small details about Assange's story sometimes weird me out.

Regardless, Julian Assange is to be defended against the ongoing immoral smear campaigns by the press in general and the outrageous persecution by several states, as we should for any fellow human being who would be in such a position. The treatment that Assange has suffered before and during his trials is of immediate concern to all of us. Equally so is the frightening absence of most official and semi-official bodies that profess to speak up against human rights abuses. These groups have terminally disqualified themselves forever, if they hadn't done so already by remaining mum about the evils of the "war against terror".

Nonetheless, Assange personally is only small fry. What is really at stake here is not the personal injustice against Assange, the big issue is the orchestrated campaign against independent press and whistle-blowers. This will in the longer term affect all of us severely.

There is a real chance that Assange is a mind controlled patsy and that he is sacrificed in order to bring about a clamp-down on free speech. Some of the strange antics of wikileaks and Assange personally may point at this. Look up "Santiniketan Park Association" for example. Things are not always as one-dimensional as they seem.

Keep an eye open for the many issues that are cluttered together in this grandiose, almost mythical, drama of the Julian Crucifiction and choose wisely what are the real issues at stake here.

Posted by: Lurk | Jan 5 2021 20:08 utc | 170

Slightly off-topic, but since the issue has been raised a few times now, I want to chime in a little bit more. I have already made clear what I think of Mark2 (just for giggles, look up "mk2" on wikipedia.)

The thing with circe is that the Trump-bashing is so mindless that it effects the contrary.

All her complains either boil down to an extremely bigoted repetitive complaint about Trump's bigotry (which is true) or about his policies, which in actuality differ little from other politicians (which circe apparently has little problems with - blatant hypocricy.)

The interesting part is that circe will never dig into the real problems with Trump, that can be found in his past connections with shady operators like Roy Cohn.

That alone points out that circe is following a tight script.

Posted by: Lurk | Jan 5 2021 20:18 utc | 171

It really saddens me to see this blog draged into the gutter by the group of commenters above.
You appear to have no insight as to how you come over. A lot of people read this blog, credabilty counts,
The endless throw-away speculation and deliberate character assignation at the cost of other commenters really let’s this site down and your selves.
This site is slowly descending into just another thuggish right wing, butt hurt, trump bootlicking one of ten thousand others.
Instead of the exceptional and few decent sites left, that it is and should be.
For b’s sake don’t let that happen.
And for the record I am genuine, I am who I say I am, and say what I mean and mean what I say.
Jackrabbit @ 170
Thanks for putting that quote up for attention.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 5 2021 20:52 utc | 172

thanks lurk.... i agree the thrust of your post @171... it pays to keep an open mind.... pretty much agree with your other observations as well...

Posted by: james | Jan 5 2021 21:52 utc | 173

There is not a chance in Hell that Julian Assange is anybody else but who he presents himself as. All you have to do is watch some of his interviews. I have not listened to a man that is more straight forward about his views nor one that is so courageous. To sow doubt on his character is a total insult to courage and honesty.

Posted by: arby | Jan 6 2021 0:01 utc | 174

I believe, that the reason why Assange was not sent to America on the 4th January was simply news management. The lockdown was obviously planned in advance and TPTB were not going to allow an Assange extradition to get in the way of the wall-to-wall propaganda. Unfortunately, I believe that Assange's extraction will be back on course at a more conducive moment.


Regarding the current bitchfest:-

Circe can be very emasculating but commentators shouldn't forget that she is probably the most assertive and consistent supporter of the Palestinian cause on this blog (and has, on occasion, found herself the only commentator advocating on their behalf [think about that]).

Men complaining that Circe must be a "he" is hilarious! What happened to those traditional male values of stoicism, rationalism, forbearance, etc.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 6 2021 1:06 utc | 175

unfortunately adkc, part of your comment is flat out bullshit... many of the people here at moa are indeed very supportive of the palestinian cause... you read moa completely wrong on this.. cheers james

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2021 1:43 utc | 176


I didn't say that commentators didn't support Palestinians, I said Circe is the most assertive and consistent supporter of the Palestinian cause on thud blog (which is true) and that she had found herself, on occasion, being the only commentator advocating on their behalf (which is true).

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 6 2021 1:55 utc | 177

adkc - it was a combo line from you actually, the first part being honourable and the 2nd part trying to characterize moa as being absent which is a pile of shit...
this is the part that pisses me off... you wrote it - "(and has, on occasion, found herself the only commentator advocating on their behalf [think about that])." that is a pile of shit and you clearly haven't been paying attention in the few years you have been posting here.. i'm not giving you a pass on this.. cheers...

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2021 3:04 utc | 178

The poster in question sledges zionism in an attempt to denigrate rethugs and advance dems. But dog whistles is all, I've yet to see a post by her/him/it which advances the Palestinians' case, presents a new take on Palestinians oppression or a new or unexpressed at MoA opinion on a way forward for Palestinians. If "trump zionist, therefore he is bad" is being "the most assertive and consistent supporter of the Palestinian cause on this blog" then AKDC may want to reconsider that point of view.
Both halves of the amerikan empire party are disgustingly pro-zionist and both need to be held accountable, remember when orangeutan signed the move to shift the amerikan embassy to jerusalem, he could only do that because a dem majority house of reps passed the bill authorising that move during the Oblamblam administration.

Backing the dems on their zionism stance doesn't assist Palestinians it hinders them.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Jan 6 2021 3:17 utc | 179

The truly funny thing is that the fear we have about China is what we claim our enemies fear about us. Russia 'invaded' Ukraine because Putin was terrified that the Russians would see a glorious, free, prosperous, Ukraine on his frontier and would not be able to explain it to his miserable serfs.

Talk about projection.

Even so, why can't we coexist? most Americans don't travel, so why can't the Neocons do what they do best, just lie about other countries and say that China is a starving mess and we are the #1 economy on the planet. Who in the U.S. would know, who in the MSM would bother to find out otherwise.

China could voluntarily not bother to come to the U.S. for education because it's a waste of time.
U.S. - we blocked them because we are protecting our precious IP.

China could develop economical hovercraft.
U.S. - China is destroying their environment, our kerosene scooters and trucks are the best thing on the planet.

The average fool in the U.S. would never know how backward we had become (or maybe are, I don't travel either).

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Jan 6 2021 3:27 utc | 180

@166 james

Thanks for the Craig Murray review of the situation. We had been waiting for this. It's pretty brief, and there's more to come - pretty soon, because Wednesday is the motion for bail, and we shall see what happens then. That's not very long to hold one's breath and keep one's fingers crossed, but I must say Murray makes a decent case for believing that what we're seeing is actually real at face value, and that Julian's release is in progress. Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of this story.

There are 13 days left for the US to appeal this decision, and Murray makes a decent case for the US NOT to appeal: if the US appeals, the decision not to extradite on health grounds will be extremely difficult to reverse by the higher court - in other words, the US could easily lose, whereas right now it mostly wins.

Additionally, an appeal will open up the option for the Assange trial team to appeal all the legal arguments that Baraitser ruled in favor of, her findings of law and fact. And that could be a tangled nightmare for UK jurisprudence, both the optics and the reality - as well as creating a higher level of precedent for future cases, perhaps. If, however, sleeping dogs are left to lie, then there is no appeal against Baraitser's findings of fact.

So Julian walks away - and the finding of espionage remains, and the Law is untroubled - but Julian walks away.

Strange case. I can't shake the feeling that someone actually woke up to the greater damage of sending him down versus letting him walk. Murray's post is a quick read. That link again.

Posted by: Grieved | Jan 6 2021 3:47 utc | 181

yeah, there is a difference between virtue signaling and actions... hard to know what others do.. words aren't everything..

@182 grieved... thanks... i saw this which is relevant - "Update: Assange’s lawyers will submit a bail application for him on Wednesday, and the US government has immediately asked for an appeal." as i mentioned @ 168 " if the usa doesn’t appeal, i will be very surprised… "

it is a strange case in some respects... it is mostly disturbing to me for what it says about the usa-uk and power structure where laws are written and enforced by bullies.. that is what it looks like to me... on a related note i asked pat lang what his take on all of this is - remember he worked high up in the cia..
here is my question:

"what is pat langs position on julian assange??

Posted by: james | 04 January 2021 at 09:10 PM"
and his response

Pardon him and forget about him.

Posted by: turcopolier | 05 January 2021 at 08:26 AM" too bad those in the usa gov't don't think in a similar way... this has been a full on witch hunt based on assange revealing war crimes that the usa was responsible for in iraq.... that is apparently not allowed.. no one can challenge the usa with truth that flies in the face of the constant lies they also generate in the usa msm... well, it happened thankfully... i admire assange and he will always have my upmost respect..

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2021 5:03 utc | 182


I'm not seeking or expecting a "pass" from you. You just want everyone to hate on Circe and are blinkered in this regard.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 6 2021 11:32 utc | 183

Assange has just been denied immediate bail because, according to the Judge, he still poses a flight risk?

How does this ruling match up with concerns about Assange's mental health? Answer:- it doesn't! This ruling indicates that the only reason why Assange wasn't extradited on 4th January was just a question of news management; the Government just didn't want Assange's extradition to get in the way of the lockdown propaganda.

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 6 2021 11:40 utc | 184

ADKC @185

They intend to keep him in legal limbo hell forever.

Posted by: S.O. | Jan 6 2021 12:06 utc | 185

Just to get this out of the way, there actually are a few trolls here, but also some UFO abductees who have been fitted with neurotronic implants that force them to hate Trump and insist upon Salvation by Faith in Democrats. Previously, I have said:

-// Another veteran diplomat, Victoria Nuland, will be nominated [by Biden] for the role of under secretary of State for political affairs, one of the people said. //-


So you see, with Democrats we're just out of the pan and into the flames. Trump will not leave the White House regardless of whatever loathsome duopoly creature slithers into the Oval Office. Because deep down, they are really all the same. Obviously. This could all be solved if we had Hedge Score Voting (HSV).

With this virus lockdown, I feel like Assange myself, and this whole rotten British farce is just too painful to contemplate. Maybe that is the motivation behind all the rage happening on this thread.

Posted by: blues | Jan 6 2021 12:48 utc | 186

ADKC @178

Sadly there is a problem with how the "Post Trump Stress Disorder" damage case focuses strictly on the plight of the Palestinians. The USA has dealt out pain all across the Middle East and North Africa, and many other places too, but we needn't go global here to see the problem with fixating on one particular set of victims.

The plight of the Palestinians is a black stain on modern civilization, no doubt about it, but what of Iraq? Yemen? Libya? Syria? And we're not even touching on the interference by the empire in the rest of the Global South here. America has dealt death and destruction far beyond that big military base that the empire build in the region and called "Israel". While it can be argued that the existence of Israel has been an enabling factor in the rest of the empire's slaughter in the region, Israel itself is just one part of the problem. For someone to focus with such intensity on one small spot in an entire sea of destruction is curious, to say the least.

There is a popular argument in the corporate mass media that equates opposition to Zionism with anti-Semitism. Notably this was used with great success to attack Jeremy Corbyn. This is so effective because there really are people who use opposition to Zionism as cover for their anti-Semitism. How can one tell the difference between someone who opposes the Zionist Israel project because of its cruelties to the indigenous populations from someone who just hates Jews in general? Well, one would think that if someone is concerned with the horrible mistreatment of local populations, then the empire's bombing and droning and murderous thug hiring across the region would get equal attention, wouldn't one? I mean, how does one pick out a single cause célèbre from that maelstrom of chaos that the empire has wrought?

It is unfortunate, but the exclusive focus on Israel by the tragic "Trump Derangement Syndrome" case being discussed is damning evidence that we are dealing with a closet anti-Semite rather than someone who actually cares about the evil empire's victims in the Global South.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 6 2021 12:55 utc | 187

Yet another groundless character assignation attempt by
——- James
——- William Gruff
A concerted political attempt to swing this blog comment section to the far right. By this extremeist little gang.
Shame on them. On going for many months now.
They care nothing for Julian Assange or palistine.
Take note.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 6 2021 13:28 utc | 188

@Mark2 | Jan 6 2021 13:28 utc | 189

Yet another groundless character assignation

You have assigned the proper character to yourself by wishing other contributors here dead.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 6 2021 13:34 utc | 189

@S.O. | Jan 6 2021 12:06 utc | 186

They intend to keep him in legal limbo hell forever.

Indeed they do. It is really hard to express properly how evil these people are.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jan 6 2021 13:42 utc | 190

To anyone reading Norwegians comment @ 190 please read my @ 143 on thi thread.

Posted by: Mark2 | Jan 6 2021 13:42 utc | 191

UK criminal elite, may they drown in their filth
Some here who suggested they want a deal for Maxwell may have a point... BBC had an article on her immediately about the Assange hearing Monday.

Posted by: Mina | Jan 6 2021 14:14 utc | 192

Neither Android nor iOS autocorrect suggest "assignation" after "character ass". Try it yourself and see, dear readers.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 6 2021 14:15 utc | 193

@194 second time for that peculiar mispelling too. There have been a large amount of unusual spelling errors which ought not be explained by typos/autocorrect. If genuinely dislexic, autocorrect shouldn't allow their occurence. These errors have been pointed out and yet they persist.

Posted by: M | Jan 6 2021 14:49 utc | 194

"John Pilger
Judge Baraitser has refused to grant Julian #Assange bail - even though she acknowledges his extreme suffering in prison. Such is the Queen of Cruelty. But there is an informed hint from Washington that Biden may not pursue an appeal to the UK High Court, where Julian will win."

Posted by: arby | Jan 6 2021 15:16 utc | 195

William Gruff @188

To suggest that Circe is only interested in the Palestinian issue because of TDS is not true and beneath you.

Circe has posted on Yemen, Iran, Iraq, etc. so it is not true to suggest that Circe
"focuses strictly on the plight of the Palestinians".

You go on to state that the failure to give "equal attention" to the plight of others (eg. Yemen, Iraq, etc.) is anti-Semitic. This would mean, for example, that anyone involved with BDS is automatically deemed anti-semitic unless that are equally involved in similar scemes with regard to Yemen, Iran, etc. A tortuous, impossibilist, unreasonable and unsustainable formula that you should be ashamed of coming up with but, admittedly, a ground breaking advance in "doublethink".

Posted by: ADKC | Jan 6 2021 15:28 utc | 196

William Gruff asks why Israel gets the most attention. Because it receives the most direct military and financial support from the US. Because it is openly promoted by Christian Zionists as God's will. Because the support for Saudi etc. is not openly avowed. Because it is Israel that has nukes and plans to use them. Because politically Israel is the 51st state, instead of Puerto Rico. Because Israel is a colonial enterprise, the West invading the colored lands, one of the few such left and by far the largest. Because after decades the Israeli refusal to accept Palestinian surrender is getting pretty damned blatant.

So, no, you cannot claim prioritizing Israel is a cover for anti-Semitism. Calling Zionism a Western colonial enterprise, committed to a slow genocide on the US' dime, may be deemed anti-Semitism, as it was in Corbyn's case. But that is deeply reactionary.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jan 6 2021 15:31 utc | 197

ADKC @197

Is the TDS victim involved in BDS at all? I will admit that I rarely read her posts so I could have missed mention of it; nevertheless, I've seen no indication that she is active in BDS. I've likewise seen little actual concern being expressed by her about the Palestinians themselves and far more attention to the relationship between members of the Trump clan and the leadership of the forces occupying Palestine. As I've read few of her posts I could be wrong about that but I'll not retract it unless someone can link an overwhelming number of her posts in which her partisan hysteria takes a back seat to her concern for the empire's victims.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 6 2021 15:45 utc | 198

@Michael #36 When you say "we" do you mean all English users in general or do you mean Foederatans (inhabitants of the USA)? I for one am the former but not the latter, and I daresay there are hundreds of millions like me...

Posted by: Gene Poole | Jan 6 2021 16:46 utc | 199

@ ADKC | Jan 6 2021 11:32 utc | 184... well you are wrong in your assessment again adkc... and instead of acknowledging any of the first wrong assessment, you move on to another assessment and aaccusation that is wrong.. i really can't help you... cheers james

Posted by: james | Jan 6 2021 17:17 utc | 200

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