karlof1 #137 – grieved #142 – james #145
Wow that was a good read. Thank you and I spotted a fine take away:-

The US Pluto return happens in 2022. That’s massive. It’s a cycle of approximately 247 years. Pluto has a sense of fate to it. The return of the lord of the underworld also speaks of the return of that which was repressed, hidden or rejected. It will have three exact hits throughout 2022, and the final and definitive of the next Pluto cycle has the planet of death and regeneration facing Black Moon Lilith in Cancer, in opposition. Karma is a bitch and hits home.

Laughter followed…. a pun inside a portent wrapped around a planet. Good stuff.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 23 2020 2:16 utc | 203

Err… meant to say chaff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaff_(countermeasure)

Posted by: gm | Dec 23 2020 2:36 utc | 205

james #202
Trump is lower than a rattlesnakes belly as is the Harris Biden clown cart. I did not expect a pardon for anyone other than Trumps close mates and others who may have $ufficient ca$h to $hare. That is what Trump is – no different to Biden Harris or Obummer.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 23 2020 3:09 utc | 207

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 23 2020 0:22 utc | 199
Michel Hudson gives Veblen credit for ferreting out the real estate vested interest problem developing in society which post-classical economists opportunistically ignored as externalities not of significance. Veblen also criticized the moronic thinking that came, as Hudson put it, “to plague post-classical economics as ‘trained incapacity’: the condition of being trained not to recognize the important causal factors at work.”
Here’s the end of the1924 book. It’s as though he sees the three lettered agencies on the horizon decades before their birth.
“Statecraft as a gainful pursuit has always been a furtive enterprise. And in due proportion as the nation’s statecraft is increasingly devoted to the gainful pursuit of international intrigue it will necessarily take on a more furtive character, and will conduct a larger proportion of its ordinary work by night and cloud. Which leads to a substitution of coercion in the place of consultation in the dealings of the official personnel with their underlying population, whether in domestic or foreign policy; and such coercion is increasingly accepted in a complaisant, if not a grateful, spirit by the underlying population, on a growing conviction that the national integrity is best provided for by night and cloud. So therefore it also follows that any overt expression of doubt as to the national expediency of any obscure transaction or line of transactions entered into by the official personnel in the course of this clandestine traffic in gainful politics, whether at home or abroad, will presumptively be seditious; and unseasonable inquiry into the furtive movements of the official personnel is by way of becoming an actionable offense ; since it is to be presumed that, for the good of the nation, no one outside of the official personnel and the business Interests in collusion can bear any intelligent part in the management of these delicate negotiations, and any premature intimation of what is going on is likely to be ‘‘information which may be useful to the enemy.” Any pronounced degree of skepticism touching the expediency of any of the accomplished facts of political intrigue or administrative control is due to be penalised as obnoxious to the common good. In the upshot of it all, the paramount rights, powers, aims, and immunities of ownership, or at least those of absentee ownership, come in for a closer identification with the foundations of the national establishment and are hedged about with a double conviction of well-doing.
“In that strategy of businesslike curtailment of output, debilitation of industry, and capitalisation of overhead charges, which is entailed by the established system of ownership and bargaining, the constituted authorities in all the democratic nations may, therefore, be counted on to lend their unwavering support to all manoeuvres of business-as-usual, and to disallow any transgression of or departure from business principles. Nor should there seem any probability that the effectual run of popular sentiment touching these matters will undergo any appreciable change in the calculable future. The drift of workday discipline, as well as of deliberate instruction, sets in the conservative direction. For the immediate future the prospect appears to offer a fuller confirmation in the faith that business principles that the businesslike control of the industrial system in detail should presently reach, if it has not already reached, and should speedily pass beyond that critical point of chronic derangement in the aggregate beyond which a continued pursuit of the same strategy on the same businesslike principles will result in a progressively widening margin of deficiency in the aggregate material output and a progressive shrinkage of the available means of life.” (444-445)
https://archive.org/details/AbsenteeOwnershipAndBusinessEnterprise/page/n327/mode/2up
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Chris Hedges uses a quote in his essay this week, The Great Delusion, that captures the spirit of your earlier comment as I understand it:
“One of the most pathetic aspects of human history is that every civilization expresses itself most pretentiously, compounds its partial and universal values most convincingly, and claims immortality for its finite existence at the very moment when the decay which leads to death has already begun.” Reinhold Niebuhr

Posted by: suzan | Dec 23 2020 3:42 utc | 209

“@ 208 gm… i am fine with crow… i feel sorry for the crow – but i’ll take it if it comes.. i can’t see it myself..”
– james | Dec 23 2020 3:50 utc | 210
And I am fine with all the Pluto astrology banter…just Please don’t drink the PLUTO WATER Kool Aid that Biden[Deepstate] won/stole it fair and square. OK?

Posted by: gm | Dec 23 2020 4:55 utc | 211

@212 juliania
Oh puh leez, quit with the Trump koolaid bullshit already!
Trump is threatening to veto the Relief Bill 2 days before Christmas after weeks and weeks of ignoring it and watching McConnell and Mnuchin whittle it down and not giving a damn! You think there’s merit in that??!
This is Trump conniving stagecraft!
Now at the 11th hour he’s putting on a show demanding that the stimulus payments be raised to $2000.
BUT…you CONVENIENTLY, and disingenuously of course, left out that Nancy Pelosi immediately tweeted out she wants the Bill with the $2000 stimulus brought to the floor for unanimous consent!
Good! Now the ball is in McConnell and Trump’s court.
Trump is doing this for one person only: TRUMP and not out of the kindness of his blacker than black heart. If he gave a damn, he would have demanded that McConnell not cut the stimulus payments to $600 before this, but he was too busy with WH super spreader parties and trying to steal the election! This Bill could have been finalized weeks ago if he spoke up sooner! Damn selfserving bastard!
He’s doing it now partly to get back at McConnell and humiliate him for formally declaring Biden President-Elect rather than supporting Trump’s attempted coup.
So now McConnell is backed between a rock and a hard place: override Trump’s veto and look the Grinch or raise the stimulus payment and let Trump get all the credit for doing nothing all these weeks while the bill was being hammered out and McConnell and Trump’s minion Mnuchin were chipping away at it like the misers they are.
If Trump delays the signing just for stagecraft and grandstanding which this is, and to get wider approval to pull off his coup or set himself up for 2024, and it doesn’t pass before Christmas he will end up an even bigger loser than he is now!
The Dems should bring the $2000 stimulus to the floor right away for unanimous consent, then wipe the floor with McConnell when he knocks it down and throw that self-indulgent Presidential pretender bum in the White House OUT on his pompous ass!

Posted by: Circe | Dec 23 2020 7:16 utc | 213

Trump just pardoned 4 Blackwater criminals accused of war crimes, 2 border patrol agents who committed cold-blooded murder and 4 Trumplican Congressmen accused of some of the worst kind of corruption while holding office! These are the worst creatures in the SWAMP.
And you think 2 days before Christmas he’s suddenly f*cking Santa Claus just because he wants to look good serving himself with a $2000 lip service that he knows won’t ride with his Republicants in the Senate??!
How stupid do you think people are??? People were in bread lines for weeks while he was dining and wining at WH Christmas parties and conniving a coup! And now at the 11th hour he shows up trying to con us into believing he f*cking cares when this is tantamount to a bribe by lip service??!🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Posted by: Circe | Dec 23 2020 7:50 utc | 215

Is any aware of the therm-optical method capable to detect the presence of corona virus in a room which the Air quality and Particle Technology Group in ETH Zurich has developed.. its an optical biosensor, that uses thermal effects to detect the virus safely and reliably?
My reading suggest the detector couples photothermal and plasmon resonance technology on a tiny, 2D, gold nano island (AuNI chip) which chip is embedded in glass and armed with the DNA sequence <=to be detected. When the sequence t/b detected hybridizes with the sequence pattern being detected, the Refractive index Changes to confirm the presence of the viral sequence. Using Two source angles to excite the process has made SARS-COV vs SARS-CoV-2 RNA discrimination easy as pie. Have a look at http://www.odi.org/10.1021/acsnano.0c02439 <=this kind of technology means public places, schools, railways, meetings, airplanes, etc. can be made safe.. from not just Corona virus but from many kinds of biologically dangerous airborne contaminants. Once again I say it is stupid to depend on vaccination against viral insult because the source of the insult changes and operates outside of the detection and affection range of the design theory associated with the vaccination. Besides, I an mot certain the virus is a problem this Pandemic looks more and more every day like a Pneumonia cocci bacterial problem. Anyway Big Pharma Stock values are in jeapordy.

Posted by: snake | Dec 23 2020 10:12 utc | 217

Trump who is a well known scoundrel is giving the 5600 word Bill for ‘covid relief’ a serious analysis:
Barflies might consider Trumps analysis in this video from The Hill
It would be amusing if it were not for the fact that the USA people are in a crisis. This is a disgraceful system of legislative opportunism by every party to it.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 23 2020 10:40 utc | 219

Trump just pardoned 4 Blackwater criminals accused of war crimes, 2 border patrol agents who committed cold-blooded murder and 4 Trumplican Congressmen accused of some of the worst kind of corruption while holding office! These are the worst creatures in the SWAMP.

There are worse swamp creatures. These are tiddlers,mall fry, dutiful servants of the oligarchs.
Some get distracted by these asides while the real criminals in the Fed, Wall Street, CIA, NSA etc get away with wholesale butchery. So I am more interested in what Trump did not do, did not stop, did not care about. The other party is no different.
War in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc,
Sanctions throughout the world that are illegal and murderous of thousands if not millions,
Trade wars that escalate global tensions and are in themselves a crime against humanity.
So I choose never to let Trump and the oligarchs of the USAi off the hook for being a war criminal, a capital criminal, a sociopath, a scumbag of the highest order. Its not the pimps that matter here or should be the object of distraction, its the real killers we should be going after – the Capos or the Doges.
Concerned citizens should ask why is Les Wexner free to walk the streets? He is the Capo of the Epstein spy and blackmail ring and never gets outed by the local TDS distractor.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 23 2020 11:06 utc | 221

It appears the vaccine narrative is getting derailed. So a new dangerous covid19 variation is found which targets children and young people. So please be sheeple and get your vaccine to the next generation so that that generation may not generate any further. See the WHO narrative coming soon for worldwide release on MSM.
Rao

Posted by: Rao | Dec 23 2020 13:33 utc | 223

Uncle T.
What’s the difference between one Zionist billionaire and another who buy political power and screw democracy. I’ve already addressed this issue over a thousand times.
There is one President right now who has proven to be a Ziofascist gift that keeps on giving to Zionist expansion trying to pull off a coup now using lip service $2000 bribery for the masses AT THE 11TH HOUR to make himself look good when he attempts with his Congress minions in January to steal an election with public support.
Then if he succeeds Ziofascism will be locked in to conduct war on Iran and more war crimes activity he will surely pardon again and again. The oddly placed M4A push that would die in the Senate, that you pretend to care so much about and is supposedly the be all to end all purity tests for the Left while a coup is underway in the middle of urgently required relief funds negotiations, is really a hand grenade meant to blow up the growing progressive influence, which is a real threat to Zionism right before Trump attempts to cement absolute Zionist power.
Good luck with your duplicity…NOT.
@224 gm
Nope. If McConnell gets a last minute conversion to put the $2000 stimulus through why give him the M4A excuse he can use to kill it all?

Posted by: Circe | Dec 23 2020 14:22 utc | 225

Posted by: Smith | Dec 23 2020 14:57 utc | 227
1.) I would not assume it is over yet, but
2.) Lukasheko came to his senses and stopped playing footsie with “the West”, I expect he will try to follow the Kazakh model now, become an enlightened overlord no longer active in governing,
3.) It was always a fraud, not enough disgruntled Belorussians, so lots of hired help. Typical Trump operation, all hat no cattle as they say.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 23 2020 15:12 utc | 227

suzan @209–
Thanks for providing that excerpt. Veblen was indeed prescient! I see that Trump has called out Congress for passing that disgusting bill and demanded better. He may pocket veto the thing as he now has the high ground in the eyes of the public. I’m having connectivity issues and may post little today, but I want to reiterate my point that the Duopoly’s weakest point and the one major area of policy where Reds and Blues agree is on the need for a universal healthcare policy that goes beyond Medicare For All, Medicare having huge holes in it making it a poor platform, although better than nothing for most people.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 23 2020 19:04 utc | 229

librul,
Who cares about Navalny?
I think you are misrepresenting what Putin meant.
He was pointing out that if Russia cared to kill Navalny then he would be dead.
Point being they don’t give a hoot about him.

Posted by: arby | Dec 23 2020 19:40 utc | 231

The world’s second largest hydrochloroquine producing factory has just exploded in Taiwan,while nobelized and internationally recognized doctors in France are being put in psychiatric asylums,or thrown out of the order of medicine for opposing the new vaccins.This while the fascist macron government speedpasses a law that prohibits public transport to non-covid vaxxed.Happy Christmas everybody and may the new year witness the total demise of Washington,Paris and London.

Posted by: willie | Dec 23 2020 20:49 utc | 233

hey willie! good to hear from you and merry christmas to you too… if you feel like reading the brexit thread where laguerre makes a number of comments on macron that i don’t share) and have some feedback on that – i would be curious.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Dec 23 2020 21:36 utc | 235

#ForceTheVote w/ Kyle Kulinski and Justin Jackson (Briahna Gray’s Bad Faith, December 21, 2020)

Posted by: S | Dec 23 2020 22:19 utc | 237

@William Gruff
And Navalnyy is too dumb to understand that. Were he smart, he would have never left Russia where he had been shadowed 24/7 by a team of FSB officers tasked with protecting his life—the very team he is now accusing of having poisoned him.

Posted by: S | Dec 24 2020 2:46 utc | 239

@willie | Dec 23 2020 20:49 utc | 235

Happy Christmas everybody and may the new year witness the total demise of Washington,Paris and London.

Merry Christmas Willie (and everybody else), I am with you 100% on that wish for the new year. May it also include the demise of NATO and OPCW.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2020 6:27 utc | 241

@uncle tungsten | Dec 22 2020 7:17 utc | 161

The early pharaohs of Egypt practiced sonic healing and there are relics at Saqqara of audio chambers as I understand. Not just the extraordinary large boxes but in other structures where one lies on a stone platform and rests the head inside a resonant cavity.

Those who are not familiar with the massive (100 ton) granite boxes in the underground tunnels of the Serapeum of Saqqara in Egypt should spend some time considering this deep mystery. It is true that resonance is a recurring theme in megalithic sites such as Saqqara (see video below) and Giza, and even in Peru. But the main thing about the 27 or so extremely large boxes at Saqqara is that they weigh about 100 ton each and are made from single piece blocks of very hard granite stone taken from Aswan in Southern Egypt, more than 700 miles away from Saqqara. They are placed in very narrow bedrock tunnels and the surfaces are machined and polished to near perfect flatness and 90 degree angles, even on the inside. We could not even make this today, so the idea that the pharaos made them is not credible.
The Amazing Massive Megalithic Boxes In The Serapeum At Saqqara Egypt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWpXj_R5xpc
Those boxes are much older than the Pharaos of 3000 BC

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2020 7:01 utc | 243

Norwegian #243
Thank you, the boxes were inscribed on their exterior faces in a crude form. I agree their age possibly predatesthe pharaonic period, however there is little evidence to say with certainty.
Lidar scanning of that site indicates two further levels below but the secrecy smothers adequate inquiry.
John Anthony West did some considerable research as well and his books give powerful insight.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 24 2020 10:52 utc | 245

@uncle tungsten | Dec 24 2020 10:52 utc | 245
We can indeed say with certainty that the boxes predate the dynastic (=pharaonic) period.
First, the dynastic Egyptians did not have the technology to transport or create those boxes with the level of precision they display, ref. Christopher Dunn’s work on that subject. ‘Conventional’ history says that the Egyptians had no more advanced tools than copper chisels. You cannot create high precision granite boxes with soft copper chisels or transport 100 ton boxes 700 miles at a time when it is said to predate the invention of the wheel…
Second, the crude hieroglyph inscriptions on some of the boxes prove that the boxes are at least as old as the dynastic egyptians (since they scribbled on the boxes). In reality the precision of the boxes imply they must be coming from a civilisation with much higher level of technological sophistication. That civilisation probably disappeared approximately 12800 years ago when a comet or asteroid hit present day Michigan, USA, erased the North American megafauna, created world wide megatsunamis (“the flood”) and started the Younger Dryas cold period that lasted ~1200 years.
In other words, the world history we have been taught is at best incomplete, one could say it is completely wrong. Once you figure that out, you realise that there is a lot of evidence all over the world for a previous world wide civilisation with a high level of technological sophistication. A small subset of such places include Sachsahuaman and Ollantaytambo (Peru), Puma Punku (Bolivia), Easter Island (Chile), Plain of Jars (Laos), Longyou Caves (China), Hoysaleswara Temple (India), Petra (Jordan), Stone of the pregnant woman at Baalbek (Lebanon), Gobekli Tepe (Turkey), Giza pyramids (Egypt), Serapeum at Saqqara (Egypt). The list goes on and on.

Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 24 2020 14:15 utc | 247

arby @248
Yes, Navalny is a nobody in Russia, but if he were to die in a hit-and-run car accident this evening what would happen? What would the unanimous chant from the mass media be? How would the political establishments in the US and Europe react?
You know full well what the response would be to Navalny’s death. As worthless as he is to Russia, he is far less of a liability to Russia alive than he is dead. It confuses me that one cannot see this distinction, as it seems very obvious.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 24 2020 17:44 utc | 249

Nalvany is a cog in the wheel of constant confrontation with a nuclear armed power.
Concern for his welfare is stupid.

Posted by: arby | Dec 25 2020 0:09 utc | 251