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December 6, 2020
The MoA Week In Review – Open Thread 2020-96

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:


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Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 8 2020 21:04 utc | 198
RE Lavrov, I have to agree, the behavior of the Eurocrats since Biden won has been, well, delusional. Merkel did not, in the past, give the impression of being outright incompetent. I wonder how much “leverage” is being applied. Or perhaps just fools grabbing at straws. It’s like Trump and Pompeo infected them.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 8 2020 22:31 utc | 201

S@200 – You can find his comment at that site using the same name he uses here “after trump the flood”, however I copied the relevant parts of his comment, and I think the article is going to add very little, if any context to what I posted.
His comment was much longer, and mostly related to the article, the two parts I copied and commented on were more generalized statements not necessarily directly related to the article.

Posted by: visak | Dec 8 2020 22:43 utc | 202

While the people is just in shock under the second wave of the pandemic and news about forced vaccianton and so on, water was turned into a commodity for especulation in the stock markets..
Recall that when foood was made a commodity, several countries in Africa lost their food sovereignty and famines were made the rule.
Are we to expect that periodic shortages of water will be provoked, the same way shortages of oil are made, to please a tiny percentage of finanacial capitalists?
Is this what the “green agenda” 2030 is about?
Could had water beenturned into a commodity in the capitalist casino were not we under such effect as that provoked by the pandemic?
Has the war in Ethiopia anything to do with this launching?
Welcome to the water wars…

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Dec 8 2020 22:51 utc | 203

H.Schmatz@203
Maude Barlow has written on this subject extensively. Canadian perspective.
https://canadians.org/maude

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 8 2020 23:46 utc | 204

@visak #202
Okay, I have found the article and Christian’s comment. The article was written by Ghassan and Intibah Kadi, a husband and wife team of political analysts from Lebanon. I don’t quite understand how that makes The Vineyard of the Saker “a Russian ops site playing with America’s heads”.

Posted by: S | Dec 9 2020 0:19 utc | 205

S@205 – “a Russian ops site playing with America’s heads”.
I never said that.
As I stated in my last response the article in question didnt really pertain to what I wrote, his comment just happened to appear under that article. The parts of his comment I took out, I specifically stated didnt relate to the article.
I believe I explained how I came to my suspicion/opinion, I also expressly stated that I didnt know this to be a fact.
Please reread my original comment concerning this.

Posted by: visak | Dec 9 2020 1:11 utc | 206

USA economy set to worsen . . .
Pelosi, Schumer Reject Mnuchin’s $916 Billion COVID Relief Bill Offer
The resulting hardships will likely encourage the poorest/dumbest citizens to:

  1. take the experimental vaccines;
  2. blame China for their woes and support efforts to pressure China for financial redress.

. . . along with US-China relations.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 9 2020 2:03 utc | 207

Apologies if this has been posted and commented upon – I found it a very excellent interview, mainly because of Michael Hudson’s participation in it. He gave the clearest analysis of what ought to be done to tamp down oligarchical tendencies in any government, was a force to be reckoned with as far as the other two participants in the discussion were concerned, in my view:
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/12/is-it-time-for-a-debt-jubilee.html
I tried two posts thanking him for the clarity he brought to the discussion. Neither had appeared when I left, though strangely I got shunted elsewhere after posting. (Maybe a gremlin in my system.) I do recommend the read to any who still don’t quite understand the ramifications of a debt jubliee.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2020 2:07 utc | 208

continuing from @Dec9 2:03 #207
How The COVID Response Has Destroyed The Personal Finances Of Americans (ht ZeroHedge)

  • More people are living paycheck to paycheck.
  • Hardly anyone has an emergency fund left.

  • People are unable to find work.
  • The closure of schools has kept many parents from returning to work or caused financial hardship.
  • The price of food has increased dramatically.
  • The eviction moratorium runs out soon.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 9 2020 2:12 utc | 209

@ juliania | Dec 9 2020 2:07 utc | 208 who writes about Michael Hudson and debt jubilees
The problem remains that the same evil is running the money system and exerting social power/control.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2020 2:12 utc | 210

Here’s the part of the Michael Hudson interview I linked @ 208 dealing with the oligarchy problem:

[MICHAEL]: Well, the virtue of cancelling the debts is that you also cancel somebody’s savings, and the Babylonian rulers and the Byzantine rulers 2000 years later said, ‘Look, we don’t want the financial class to gain the power because if they gain the wealth, they’re going to hire an army and they’re going to overthrow us and put in their own government instead of, you know, our government that’s looking out for the people.’ And the advantage of cancelling the debts on the liability side of the balance sheet, is, you cancel the debts on the asset side, and these were the debts of the 1%, or let’s say the 10%. All of the growth since 2008, for 12 years, all of the growth and wealth has accrued to this 10%. If you do not write down the savings that they have, you’re going to make them into an almost feudal type of landlord or finance-lord aristocracy that’s going to impose an oligarchy here, so if you don’t want it – oligarchy – you have to write down not only the debts, but you have to write down the enormous overgrowth of savings that is what’s holding the debtors in bondage.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2020 2:15 utc | 211

The financial stresses on the populace were completely foreseeable. The inept pandemic response exacerbated it and the failure to provide financial solutions predictibly magnifies it.
This pandemic has been gamed in every possible way. To bailout Wall Street and Boeing. To blame China. To make the public into guinea-pigs for mRNA, an experimental technology. To support anti-China actions. Etc.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 9 2020 2:19 utc | 212

I would add that I think in the middle of that quote from Professor Hudson @ 211, the text ought to read “…and these were the debts owed to the 1%, or let’s say the 10%…” That is, these were their assets.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2020 2:24 utc | 213

Yes, thank you psychohistorian @ 210 — that is the problem, which I addressed in my first comment at NC. (Don’t know if that has surfaced over there yet.) I posed it as a question, since the ‘oligarchical overthrow’ Prof. Hudson describes seems already upon us. I asked, ‘Is it now already too late?’
I do think, though, that the quote I posted is the clearest explanation of exactly how this has all come about. It isn’t because the people are dumb; it is because incrementally the financial balance of power has been deliberately overturned piece by piece, by the upper echelons of governments — not just in the US but happening worldwide. It almost happened in Russia, and indeed there was a war internally that took place there when the US financiers put forward their plans to redistribute Russia’s wealth. That sounded a great plan, until you saw the ramifications, which were that those seeking the power and having money to buy the shares from the people did just that. They were on their way to feudalism right there!
I don’t know what happens next here, hopefully those entities faced by a public that is realizing what they the rich are doing to consolidate their tenuous hold on power will, as in FDR’s time, be cowed by the animosity such revelations engender in those who have lost and are losing everything they have. It doesn’t hurt to emphasize what has happened, is happening, on forums such as these, so that those to whom it is happening have a better sense of what they face. They, the public, don’t need to be insulted here as they are from many sides. The public isn’t stupid; it is not stupid to be good hearted and trusting. It is not stupid to have had the wool pulled over one’s eyes, to have economists and media obfuscators purring and lying and using all means at their disposal to confuse and demean and disparage.
Once the public at large realizes what is happening to them, what has been happening this century, people are going to get very angry.
Thanks,psychohistorian, for all you do!

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2020 2:47 utc | 214

jackrabbit @ 207, we’ve been friends for a long time, but please, stop saying the following:
“The resulting hardships will likely encourage the poorest/dumbest citizens to…
This is not helpful! Whose side are you on?

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2020 3:01 utc | 215

@ juliania | Dec 9 2020 2:47 utc | 214 with our communication about our social system
Thanks for posting that part of the Michael Hudson piece and I agree with it and appreciate your support for my drive to get a Western version of public finance instead of the private crazy we have now.
I agree that people are going to get very angry but I am not so sure that anger will be channeled toward a positive humanistic outcome. As you see at “Almost” nakedcapitalism, even the semi-awoke folks are TINA about global private finance…..sadly

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 9 2020 3:12 utc | 216

davenitup @ 186, thank you for your post! You say:
“The worst always comes wrapped in the appearance of benevolence.”
There comes a time when ‘the appearance of benevolence’ is no longer enough. That time, I think, is here.
Best pack up your carpet bags, ‘benevolent ones’. When you’ve lost everything, (fast approaching for many) appearances disappear.
Then, the worst is simply the worst. And the camel you have been riding for so long won’t be squeezing through the eye of that needle; it will be collapsing in the dry desert under the weight of a final straw.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2020 3:23 utc | 217

As already discussed here the affordably priced ($3 a dose) AstraZeneca covid 19 vaccination has peer reviewed and published the findings of its vaccine trials here in the Lancet. It is the first ‘western’ vaccine to have published full details of its vaccine trial & may be the first vaccine anywhere to have done so.
So then that should win them some plaudits ai?
Ah no, today’s front page story in the NYT has more than somewhat buried that lede, preferring to slanty that news as ‘Blunders eroded U.S. confidence in early vaccine front runner’.
The primary complaint appears to be that during a conference call with the FDA that the AstraZeneca lawyers made to ascertain an exact description of the regulatory procedure for a covid 19 approval by the FDA, AstraZeneca didn’t tell the FDA lawyers that they were considering halting the test whilst they investigated the illnesses of two trial participants, to ensure that their maladies were not caused by the vaccine.
This smells of an FDA under pressure from Wall St to favour amerikan owned vaccines, especially really pricey ($40 to $60 a dose) vaccines.
All drug trials have similar pauses to investigate anomalies during trialling and the FDA was notified at the same time as everyone else when the trial was put on hold.
Even if astra Zeneca had someone competent on that conference call to describe what was being investigated, why and how they were planning to prove/disprove a relationship between the triallist’s illness and the vaccine, it is highly unlikely that the FDA would have had anyone on that call capable of understanding it. Once again, the purpose of the conference was to discuss the regulatory hurdles which the vaccine would have to leap to get approval for use in the US. A task for lawyers not scientists.
I noticed the equivalent englander neolib fishwrap, the worthlessly deceitful grauniad also attempt to give astrazeneca a kick rather than congratulate them for being the first vaccine maker to be open & forthright with their findings.
that article sledges AstraZeneca for ‘only’ having 70% efficacy.
Three quite major points about that:
[1] If the AZ vaccine does have 70% efficacy it is doing better than most previous vaccines used to globally eradicate a disease.
[2] The 70% figure is from all the tests done until the team discovered by accident that giving a ‘half dose’ followed by a full dose caused 90% efficacy.
[3] Time. The published results detail the length of time that trial subjects were observed for when determining the rate of efficacy.
On the other hand neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccines have stated how long their subjects were observed for when determining their efficacy rate.
Indeed AZ said that during the first 21 days after the final dose of vaccine was given, no one, not a single patient anywhere among their subjects in england, brazil or south africa, was admitted to hospital with Covid 19. So a small window could deliver 100% efficacy.
From the graun

“Both the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Moderna vaccines have reported 95% efficacy in their trials, but Gilbert said it was important to see how well the vaccines did after six months or a year. “It’s great to see high level of efficacy but that’s not the final answer on any of the vaccines really because it’s something that we need to accumulate data on over time,” she said.”

I strongly suspect that the AZ vaccine is the one Pharmac will select for the citizens of Aotearoa.
Pharmac is much loathed by big pharma as it provided a model that a few other countries want to or have emulated.
They assess all medications paid for by the health system by doing a cost benefit analysis to ensure a particular drug is a worthy investment.
As soon as Pharmac was instituted in the late 90’s early 00’s virtually every big pharma corporation closed its research laboratories here in Aotearoa. Kind of weird since Glaxo began life as a NZ company, “Glaxo Laboratories”. Still it freed up enough qualified people to enable Pharmac to recruit sufficient pharmaceutical experts. They uncovered all sorts of rorts especially with cancer drugs eg one particular drug which cost close to $60,000 per patient could extend the life of a terminal patient by 7 to 10 days but there was no improvement in the quality of life, so the awful time of great pain, poor lucidity (so many painkillers needed) increased but the outcome didn’t change.
A group of ‘interested’ oncologists conducted a huge campaign (funded by some shady IMO organisations) to try and sway public opinion but Pharmac pointed out that each exercise in extended misery would take the equivalent of 10 hip replacement surgeries off the list of treatments each year, as the bucket is only so big and no one says they want to pay more tax, blah & that seemed to work.
The same nonsense will go on in every country that has a healthcare for all policy (IE everywhere bar amerika). That is why the greedies are trying to scotch any attempt by governments to select a lower cost vaccine.
Of course it all comes down to published results, but given that AstraZeneca are the only vaccine makers known to have publically published theirs, at the moment they must be considered the only contender, even though all sorts of self-described experts will try to turn that on its head and say they are the worst candidate.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 9 2020 3:24 utc | 218

psychohistorian @ 216, yes, I get very discouraged delving into comments there, just have to remember that many who post there have applecarts precariously balanced. I found Prof. Hudson’s explanations so lucid, and yet many comments so …milquetoast! At least here there is a robust quality (Thank you, b)– people say what they think and are rarely silenced.
I agree with all who don’t see much to hope for in the coming regime, or even in the present one should it continue. But, well, I wouldn’t have thought that the Russians were a fighting lot as far as replacing their government when it fell apart — it just deteriorated to the point of getting pushed over…and then, after years of devolution, firm leadership avoided catastrophe somehow. “There is a providence which shapes men’s ends…” We may have the same sort of result pending after trials and tribulations to come, and maybe anger won’t be enough. Still it will be good for awareness to occur, even if it is only under bridges and in food lines… Hang in there, everyone. You are stronger than you think you are; and wiser than they think you are as well.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 9 2020 3:47 utc | 219

More than two-thirds of Americans experienced financial setbacks in 2020 due to job loss, declining household income or a drawdown of emergency savings, according to a new Fidelity study.
The report by the financial services company also looked at how Americans plan to handle their finances as they head into 2021 and continue to face challenges brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic.
Of the 3,011 surveyed adults, over 38% said they will spend the year in “survival mode,” meaning they’ll focus on the day-to-day rather than long-term goals to try to get themselves and their families through 2021.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/12/08/economy-2021-these-biggest-concerns-americans-next-year/6488131002/

Posted by: Mao | Dec 9 2020 4:20 utc | 220

Trump tweets video of Chinese professor claiming that Beijing can swing US policy because it has ‘people at the top of America’s core inner circle of power’ in clip that has been deleted from social media in China
Di Dongsheng, a professor at Renmin University in Beijing, appeared on a Chinese television show about Wall Street and international trade last month. The video was deleted from Chinese social media soon after being uploaded but copies were made which have since been circulating including YouTube. Professor Di stated how China had ‘people at the top of America’s core inner circle of power and influence’ for years. Di said the relationship was true for decades until President Trump came along. He also notes how the Obama administration was easy to manipulate. Di believes the old ties between China and the U
.S. will be restored once President Biden is in the White House. Excerpts of the video were tweeted by President Trump on Monday night after Tucker Carlson shared a clip on his show.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9029383/Trump-tweets-video-Chinese-professor-claiming-Beijing-swing-policy.html
Di Dongsheng: We Have People at the Top of America’s Circle | Trump retweeted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df1ViazTCn0
Di Dongsheng 2: Trump Is an Outsider | China expert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQrXJhkdMGY

Posted by: Mao | Dec 9 2020 4:28 utc | 221

I am sure the dandruff snorting president-to-be will never tolerate this gross destruction of citizens privacy.
Think abot this:

Palantir’s policing tools also allow jurisdictions that normally would never communicate or share information to do so, resulting in a greater concentration of police power. As Wired noted, “When enough jurisdictions join Palantir’s interconnected web of police departments, government agencies, and databases, the resulting data trove resembles a pay-to-access social network—a Facebook of crime that’s both invisible and largely unaccountable to the citizens whose behavior it tracks.”

The USAi is fortunate to have a robust constitution, a fearless Congress and Senate, non partisan human rights defenders and an independent legal system. That might save them.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2020 4:29 utc | 222

uncle tungsten@222 – “The USAi is fortunate to have a robust constitution, a fearless Congress and Senate, non partisan human rights defenders and an independent legal system. That might save them.”
Haa haa haaaaaa, haa haa haaaaa, I cant stop laughing.

Posted by: visak | Dec 9 2020 4:33 utc | 223

The State of Texas filed a lawsuit directly with the U.S. Supreme Court shortly before midnight on Monday challenging the election procedures in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin on the grounds that they violate the Constitution.
Texas argues that these states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution because they made changes to voting rules and procedures through the courts or through executive actions, but not through the state legislatures. Additionally, Texas argues that there were differences in voting rules and procedures in different counties within the states, violating the Constitution’s Equal Protection Clause. Finally, Texas argues that there were “voting irregularities” in these states as a result of the above.
Texas is asking the Supreme Court to order the states to allow their legislatures to appoint their electors.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/texas-sues-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-and-wisconsin-at-supreme-court-election-rules/

Posted by: Mao | Dec 9 2020 4:35 utc | 224

Has the State of Israel made contact with aliens?
According to retired Israeli general and current professor Haim Eshed, the answer is yes, but this has been kept a secret because “humanity isn’t ready.”
Speaking in an interview to Yediot Aharonot, Eshed – who served as the head of Israel’s space security program for nearly 30 years and is a three-time recipient of the Israel Security Award – explained that Israel and the US have both been dealing with aliens for years.
And this by no means refers to immigrants, with Eshed clarifying the existence of a “Galactic Federation.”
https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405

Posted by: Mao | Dec 9 2020 4:45 utc | 225

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to actually learn anything in school.
The latest example of “woke culture” destroying the education system comes from the University of Maryland School of Public Policy, whose administrators recently informed faculty members they will be required to add a memo to their syllabi, promising to promote “inclusion” by avoiding anything that is “troubling or causes offense” to students.
UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh, a First Amendment expert, pointed out the obvious: By prioritizing avoiding any offense, the process of learning is sacrificed.
“How exactly can an honest faculty member commit to having all class materials respect all forms of diversity, given that many important source materials may well express views that sharply condemn various groups?” Volokh asked. “[H]ow can one have an honest discussion about ‘ethics and moral issues in public policy’ (to give the subtitle of one course) without someone expressing views that are ‘troubling or cause offense,’ or that suggest a lack of ‘respect [for] all forms of diversity?’”
The UCLA educator also asked about the “conspicuously omitted” academic freedoms of faculty members as well as students.
https://www.faithwire.com/2020/12/08/maryland-university-requires-profs-to-add-inclusive-classroom-oath-to-syllabi/

Posted by: Mao | Dec 9 2020 4:49 utc | 226

American cities are on the brink.
Violent crime is spiking up astronomically, and every day brings grim new statistics.
Last week, New York City reported a 95 percent year-on-year increase in shootings for the first 11 months of the year. Last month, Washington, DC, hit 167 homicides, which means the federal capital had more killings by November than it did for all of last year.
The slay total is the highest in 12 years. And that was all before a 15-month-old was killed last week after unidentified gunmen opened fire on his father’s vehicle. Chicago, Philadelphia, Seattle, Memphis and Minneapolis — that last the epicenter of the #DefundThePolice movement — are all setting new records. The blood splashed and bullet casings strewn across our streets spell disaster.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/07/crime-is-killing-usas-cities-if-we-just-move-away-it-will-follow-us/

Posted by: Mao | Dec 9 2020 4:51 utc | 227

@visak #206:

“a Russian ops site playing with America’s heads”.
I never said that.

In your original comment #194 you wrote:

I just read your post from the saker, I have say that I totally agree with what you have written below. I have read the saker for years as I thought he was a rational and logical writer (felt the same about larchmonter, ramin, jimmie moglia), but I have noticed a distinct change in the tone over there , and I think they are guilty of what you write below.
“I’m taking a different tack I don’t mean to be insulting but now I am wondering if there are some Russian ops sites to play with our (America’s) heads. Don’t get me wrong. We deserve it.”

While Christian is merely “wondering” whether The Vineyard of the Saker is a “Russian ops site”, you say it is “guilty” of it. So, actually, yes, you are saying that The Vineyard of the Saker is a “Russian ops site”. And your reasoning for this is that: 1) you no longer agree with The Saker’s views; 2) you saw a comment that was later deleted that you have interpreted as some kind of internal communication with someone. I’m sorry, but that’s not a proof of anything, really, let alone of Russian intelligence services’ control of The Vineyard of the Saker.

Posted by: S | Dec 9 2020 10:34 utc | 228

The Maxwell clan is being scrutinised. The UNZ Review is reporting on a DOJ 22 month long review of the Epstein spy and blackmail ring.
Its worth a close read as there are others currently in the lockup that could yet be visited by the same suicidal team. My surmise is that this could echo on for years while there is even one survivor from the initial spy/blackmail team alive.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2020 11:06 utc | 229

visak #223

uncle tungsten@222 – “The USAi is fortunate to have a robust constitution, a fearless Congress and Senate, non partisan human rights defenders and an independent legal system. That might save them

IT WAS SARCASM ! I trust you enjoyed your laugh :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2020 11:17 utc | 230

In the Blinken of an eye the dirty dozen assemble and already there is a distinct smell of shit. There is so much in this story with excellent links to cited supporting reports.
To wet your apetite for this story:

Bernard Schwartz, a former Vice Chairman and top investor in Lockheed Martin (which is by far the largest seller to the U.S. Government, and also the largest seller to most of America’s allied Governments), is one of Joe Biden’s top donors. CNN headlined, on October 24th, “Biden allies intensify push for super PAC after lackluster fundraising quarter”, and reported that, “Bernard Schwartz, a private investor and donor to the former vice president’s campaign, said he spoke with Biden within the last two weeks and encouraged him to do just that.” It’s not for nothing that throughout Biden’s long Senate career, he has voted in favor of every U.S. invasion that has been placed before the U.S. Senate.

Looks and sounds just like the beginning of the Obummer and then the Trump presidencies. Grim.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 9 2020 11:36 utc | 231

uncle tungsten@230- I got that it was sarcasm, and it was incredibly funny, I laughed for several minutes about it.
I meant my comment to be a kudos for being so funny.

Posted by: visak | Dec 9 2020 17:05 utc | 232

S@228- You are correct, I did say that, and I shouldnt have said I didnt say that. My apologies, I should have taken another few minutes to make sure what I had written was what I meant. I will try to be more careful in the future.
The rest of what you wrote misrepresents what I had said. I clearly stated that I wasnt stating it was a fact, so your proof rebuttal doesnt make any sense to me. I also didnt say it was a comment that was later deleted.
Anything written in the first person directed to another is communication (similar to this post written by me, directed to you), and since it was deleted so quickly, I think it is safe to say that it was an internal communication not meant for public consumption.
How long have you been reading there? Long enough to detect the change in tone? It is unanimous among every author there that writes about the us, that the election was stolen. And they dont just have suspicions about this, they claim the evidence is irrefutable and is so overwhelming only a fool cannot see it. Why are all these non us citizens so terribly upset by the results of our election? Why are they so actively cheer leading to increase the divisiveness?
I know what I saw, and as a result I no longer trust them, which I am allowed to do whether you think I have a valid reason or not. Based upon what I saw (40 views) I very strongly suspect that others saw it too.
I would also point out that chuba has his suspicions too.
I would also point out that I contacted them asking what that was all about, they could have easily explained what happened, instead they ignored it. Why is that?
They could have also approved my comment for posting so as to allow a discussion about it, but they didnt. Why is that?
I have to say I am unable to come up with any good reason for that, other than an attempt to deceive. I would be happy to hear someones rational explanation for that, and perhaps there is one, but the fact that it was ignored is suspicious.
What is your motivation here? Why are you so eager to misrepresent or disprove what I have said?
If you have a point you are trying to make, the please state it, otherwise I am not going to get into a back and forth with you.

Posted by: visak | Dec 9 2020 17:44 utc | 233

@visak

Anything written in the first person directed to another is communication (similar to this post written by me, directed to you), and since it was deleted so quickly, I think it is safe to say that it was an internal communication not meant for public consumption.

Or maybe the comment was mistakenly posted under the wrong article.

How long have you been reading there? Long enough to detect the change in tone?

I was reading it occasionally a few years back, but have stopped since because I didn’t find it particularly interesting or insightful.

It is unanimous among every author there that writes about the us, that the election was stolen. And they dont just have suspicions about this, they claim the evidence is irrefutable and is so overwhelming only a fool cannot see it.

Well, maybe the guys at The Vineyard are hardcore Trumpists.
Or maybe their anti-imperialism has driven them mad, and they have lost the ability to see reality clearly. Consider another anti-imperialist site, OffGuardian, that went completely crazy in the spring, denying the danger of SARS-CoV-2 and even accusing other anti-imperialists like b of selling out to the Empire. After witnessing the Western MSM lying so much, some people come to a false conclusion that MSM is lying literally all the time about literally everything—which is not true. For example, when Western MSM is writing that the Earth is round, they are not lying. Similarly, when they write that SARS-CoV-2 is deadlier than the flu, they are not lying. Therefore, one can not simply “invert” what the MSM is writing to get the truth. But many people don’t seem to understand that. They think that if CNN says Biden has won, that must mean he lost. That might explain why some people who seemed rational before now post delusional stuff. Again, think OffGuardian—they used to be rational.

Why are all these non us citizens so terribly upset by the results of our election?

My understanding is that The Saker is a U.S. citizen.
Others may be upset because Trump was bad for the Empire (incompetent, bad liar, unlikeable), therefore, good for the world. Imagine living in a Middle Eastern country that is being occupied and heavily sanctioned by the U.S. Now imagine that one of the U.S. presidential candidates calls for “bringing troops home”, while the other calls for “staying in the Middle East to protect Israel”. Who would you root for? These people don’t care about domestic U.S. issues, all they want is for the U.S. to leave their country alone. Maybe if you put yourself in their shoes for a second, you won’t be so angry about them going overboard for Trump.

I would also point out that I contacted them asking what that was all about, they could have easily explained what happened, instead they ignored it. Why is that?

Perhaps they genuinely couldn’t understand what your issue with them was. No offense, but after re-reading your original comment multiple times I still don’t understand exactly what it was that The Saker has written that has convinced you he is intentionally spreading disinformation, let alone working for Russian intelligence services.

I have to say I am unable to come up with any good reason for that, other than an attempt to deceive.

Even if it is true that The Saker is willfully deceiving his audience, that doesn’t mean he’s working for Russian intelligence services. Can’t you see that you have internalized the West’s Russophobic propaganda? “I don’t approve of what this individual of Russian origin is writing, therefore, he/she must be working for FSB/SVR/GU”. Let’s say a woman who has an Italian father lies to you. Would you immediately jump to a conclusion that she is working for Italian intelligence services? No. Why can’t we Russians be allowed to be ordinary people with our own thoughts, acting of our own free will? Why everything we think, write or do is immediately assumed to be some kind of “active measures” approved, no doubt, by Putin himself?
You believe The Saker is doing something nefarious? Very well. Could be true. (Although you haven’t convinced me.) That doesn’t mean he has anything to do with Russian intelligence services. That is my main beef with you comment.

Posted by: S | Dec 9 2020 23:43 utc | 234

I have stated a couple of time it wasnt a comment under another article, it was posted as an article itself.
They were not hard core trumpists for the four years prior to the election.
I would agree with the bit about lots of media losing their minds.
I dont know if he is a us citizen, but my understanding is that he does live in florida. None of the other authors do.
“Others may be upset …” A lot of what you write there is spot on. And I do sympathize, and would feel the same if I were in their shoes. You’ll notice I agreed with chuba that if this indeed was happening, that it was well deserved and just payback for the us. Doesnt mean I like it, doesnt mean I want to live with the repercussions, nor that I should continue to trust people I think are doing this. Did you see the part where I said it sucks to be us plebes because we are the ones who are going to be paying the price of my governments malfeasance?
“Perhaps they genuinely …” Perhaps, or alternatively they respond with I dont really understand your question? But I would note here that they also wouldnt approve a comment asking the same question. Do you think they genuinely didnt understand me twice? Possible I guess.
“… I still don’t understand …” I tried to explain my reasoning as clearly as I could, I dont know what you dont understand, perhaps a specific question from you could help me clarify more.
I never said he worked for intelligence services, let alone the ridiculous assertion that putin put him up to it. I have not internalized any of the russia phobic bullshit coming from my country. Russiagate was bullshit and I have always said that. I admire russia, and I have since the first time I got my hands on a russian piece of literature over 30 years ago, The Brothers Karamazov, the best book I have ever read is War and Peace.
I admire putin, I wish he was the leader of my country. I have never seen such an intelligent and eloquent world leader. I would actually rather live in russia than the us. I want my country to stop going around the world killing everyone. I dont necessarily want to die to see that happen. I have said all of these things multiple times.
The bit about the italians is ridiculous.
“Why can’t we Russians be allowed to be ordinary people with our own thoughts, acting of our own free will?” I never said that you couldnt be and I certainly dont feel that way. I said nothing about russian people in general.
“You believe The Saker is doing something nefarious?” I said I believe he may be, that in my opinion, it seemed likely.
“Although you haven’t convinced me.” I wasnt trying to.
I have had my suspicions since I first read previously mentioned article, but I had no one to discuss them with. I noticed another commenter has posted something similar to what I had been thinking at another site. I recognized his name as someone who frequents here, so I reached out to him to share my experience and to ask about his. I was trying to have a discussion about it.
You sound like an intelligent guy, I look forward to discussing things with you in the future. I am a little annoyed though at all the assumptions you made concerning me.
🙂

Posted by: visak | Dec 10 2020 0:36 utc | 235

S- Try looking at it from the opposite angle. If what I suspect is the case, were actually true, then the behavior I believe I have witnessed would be what one would expect. Wouldnt you agree?

Posted by: visak | Dec 10 2020 0:47 utc | 236

Jimmy Dore and Dylan Ratigan on Dereliction of Duty and Jimmy does a great dump on Bernie Sanders for being a feckless cuk.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 10 2020 10:34 utc | 237

States Try to Rescue Small Businesses as U.S. Aid Is Snarled

State governments are offering loans, grants and tax rebates, but budget constraints limit their impact.

You know what, Reagan was right: the USA is a nation full of welfare queens and freeloaders.

Posted by: vk | Dec 10 2020 12:52 utc | 238

So when the National geographic finally has pictures of African Americans, it is to illustrate an article about kids spreading covid?

Posted by: Mina | Dec 10 2020 15:28 utc | 239

@238 vk
As we see, the states try to work for the well being of their people, but have no money. The feds have all the money but are working for the carpetbaggers who thrive on the immiseration of the people of the states.
So, either as psychohistorian suggests, the states start working on getting some money through their own public banks, or the states work to dissolve the federal union and throw away the parasite.
Or both.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 10 2020 15:36 utc | 241

This is unbelievable:
[GRAPH] Zombification of the entire USA economy in 2020

Corporate profits in the US rose sharply in the third quarter. How was this possible in the midst of pandemic lockdowns?
Brian Green explains:
“subsidies flowed in from the $2.2 trillion CARES Act passed by Congress in March to support companies…..This meant an average increase in subsidy of over $600bn in each quarter. When added to profits, it boosted profits beyond their peak in 2014. … Without this subsidy profits would have fallen by 39% instead of rising by 14%.”

Reagan was right: freeloaders, freeloaders everywhere…

Posted by: vk | Dec 10 2020 16:48 utc | 242

vk @238 & 242–
You know what, Reagan was right: the USA is a nation full of welfare queens and freeloaders.
Yes, and they all work on Wall Street or in other locations tied to that hub of corruption. GHW Bush gave away the game when during the 1980 campaign he called Reagan’s Neoliberalism “Voodoo Economics,” which he hushed up about once made part of the team.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10 2020 17:20 utc | 243

Very interesting article, from Fyodor Lukyanov, the editor-in-chief of Russia in Global Affairs:
The end of Ostpolitik: Dream of Europe ‘whole & free’ over as Russian-German friendship fades & Moscow pivots to Asia
This is my excerpt of choice for the occasion:

A day later, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov made several important statements about relations between Russia and the EU, including the EU’s locomotive, Germany. At the annual meeting of the Russian International Affairs Council, Lavrov pointed out that “apparently, the European Union has given up any attempts to become one of the centers in the emerging multipolar world order and is now simply taking its cues from the US. Germany’s policy on a number of issues tells us that this is the course Berlin has chosen, as it reaffirms its intention to preserve Germany’s undisputed leadership within the EU. France’s position is somewhat different. The prevailing notion is that the European Union is now giving up any ambitions of becoming a center of power in a multipolar world. And if France itself decides to compete for this role… well, we’ll see how it goes.”
Lavrov also mentioned the concept of a “sham multiculturalism that the Germans and the French concocted,” which they “are promoting, presenting the EU’s policies and initiatives to the world as beyond reproach, a shining example for everyone to see.”

Posted by: vk | Dec 10 2020 17:26 utc | 244

Some will remember what Putin said during the conference on AI. Earlier today, Putin met with the Council for Civil Society and Human Rights, where we learn the “motto” for Russia’s anti-COVID effort is “We are Together,” which allows Putin a lead to say the following:
“In conditions where all countries have to seek a balance between the inevitable but forced restrictions and the basic freedoms, the expert estimate of our Council has been and remains in great demand. We all see what happens in some countries where the so-called lockdown rebels emphatically protest against the necessary steps by the state. It is essential to understand what is happening, what is necessary, as well as a professional assessment. To my knowledge, the council has already done much in this area. In part, it presented its report ‘The Lessons of the Epidemic in the Context of Human and Civil Rights and Freedoms’ and today we will certainly discuss its main points.” [My Emphasis]
The bolded text is precisely what Trump and his cronies failed to do big time. Putin’s message to his people is consistent as is the state’s support and thus there’s no panic seen within Russia unlike that within the Outlaw US Empire. But it’s Putin’s following remarks I specifically want to point out which when combined with what he said at the AI Conference we can now see becoming an important point of policy:
“Another important topic is the advantages and risks of digitisation. E-services are no longer a task for the future but an efficiently operating sector that is gaining momentum. New opportunities and new interests are being created. That said, the appearance of new interests is accompanied by the emergence of new threats.
Human rights and artificial intelligence is an area that has not yet been studied and comprehended in full. Therefore, what we need now are professional recommendations on how to develop digital services further, preventing the risks of human rights violations as regards confidentiality, privacy protection and freedom of expression. Incidentally, public opinion polls show that people are very concerned about the protection of personal data.
“Our council deals with all these issues. It has been recently joined, among others, by specialists in this sphere. I believe this will considerably enhance its expert potential.” [My Emphasis]
I see Russia and China as leading this discussion since Neoliberals clearly see AI as something they can use to further their exploitation and expropriation. So, expect the accusations of China and Russia as being Authoritarian/Dictatorial nations while the West upholds freedom to further escalate.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 10 2020 17:57 utc | 245

S- I think this adds a little to my argument of yesterday.
Mess with texas
When did ramin find the time to study and become an expert on the us constitution?
My suspicions are getting firmer and firmer.

Posted by: visak | Dec 10 2020 19:11 utc | 246

I am not going to lay it all out here, but a little research into the texas lawsuit shows it to be the farce that it is.
For starters, the attorney general of texas, who represents the state in the supreme court didnt sign the petition. That is his job, to represent the state in legal matters.
That alone ought to point to what a farce the petition is.
I doubt the supreme court will even answer the petition.

Posted by: visak | Dec 10 2020 19:16 utc | 247

karlof1@245
Thanks so much for the pointer, I made no comments on the AI subject despite it being a very dear subject to me, I am very interested in Russia’s (and China’s) policy on it but was a bit disappointed at the transcript @The Vineyard. My mind has been sidetracked by Covid for a while and your quote spiked the interest as it pertains to the Russian perspective and my own reservations as they apply in Europe. I believe Russia may be in the optimal circumstance to show the way, I will make time to read on both subjects.

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Dec 10 2020 21:02 utc | 248

@visak #235:

I have stated a couple of time it wasnt a comment under another article, it was posted as an article itself.

Apologies, I have re-read your original comment #194 again and now I get it:

I felt that the tone had changed, but couldnt quite put my finger on it until one night I was reading when a new post from ramin appeared. Before I clicked on the link I noticed ’40 views’ (this might have been 40 comments, but I dont think so, I think their have been some changes to the format since then, but I am not 100% certain).
It was very confusing to read and took me a minute to understand that what I was reading was a response to another person, presumably some inside communication that wasnt meant for public consumption. The part that really stood out to me in his reply was something to the effect of: “Stupid? Stupid!?! You want to see stupid, I can get way more stupid, hows this for stupid …” He then launched into a rant that I had trouble following as I didnt have the proper context, but it seemed that what he was saying that he could write about the opposite of what he had been writing in the weeks prior.

So it was Ramin Mazaheri, a Paris correspondent for Iranian state media PressTV, who has erroneously pasted his private email/chat/forum reply to another (unknown) person into a new article form at The Vineyard of the Saker and hit “Publish”. You and other 40 people then saw this private message of Mazaheri before it was quickly deleted (most likely by Mazaheri himself). The message showed that Mazaheri is not being honest with his audience, writing what he is told by some unknown superiors of his instead of his own personal opinion. Unfortunately, it hasn’t occured to you to make a screenshot of the post, so we can only rely on your words. If you are telling the truth, all this incident shows is that Mazaheri is a paid/controlled writer who gave himself away to you and 40 other people by posting a private message in the wrong browser tab. The incident, as narrated by you, doesn’t show that other authors at The Vineyard and The Saker himself are dishonest, that they knew about Mazaheri’s dishonesty, let alone that The Vineyard is a “Russian ops site”—something you think it is “guilty” of.
As it stands, The Vineyard of the Saker is a blog started in 2007 by a man born in Switzerland in 1963 to a Russian mother and a Dutch father, who (the man) moved to the U.S. in 2002 and is currently living in Florida; later the blog started publishing authors from all over the world—Iran, Lebanon, Brazil, and other countries. There is not a tiniest, flimsiest shred of evidence that The Vineyard is a “Russian ops site”, even if we completely believe everything you’ve told us so far. To claim otherwise without any evidence whatsoever is engaging in McCarthyism 2.0, i.e. furthering the Empire’s narrative.
For those who don’t know anything about The Saker, here’s a quote from a 2015 addendum to his autobiographical piece:

I was born in Zurich, Switzerland, from a Dutch father and Russian mother. My father left us when I was 5, so my mother and my Russian family raised me and this is why I took my mother’s last name. I lived most of my life in Geneva, Switzerland. In 1984 I did my military service in electronic warfare and I was later transferred to the military intelligence service (UNA) as a language specialist where did some work with the Swiss Air Force. I then traveled to the USA where I got a BA in International Relations from the School of International Service (SIS) at the American University and a MA in Strategic Studies from the Paul H. Nitze School for Advanced International Studies (SAIS) at the Johns Hopkins University. Upon my return to Switzerland, I worked as a civilian consultant for the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service (SND) writing strategic analyses, primarily about the Soviet/Russian military. In the military, I was given the Major-equivalent rank of “Technical Officer”, which is a fancy way of saying that I was an analyst. I also worked as an “enemy operations” (“Red Team” in US parlance) specialist for the operational-level training of the General Staff of Swiss armed forces. I then accepted a position for the UN Institute for Disarmament Research (UNIDIR) where I specialized in peacekeeping tactics and operations. This gave me the opportunity to co-author a book on Russian peacekeeping operations with the Major-General I. N. Vorob’ev, of the Russian General Staff Academy. My last work at UNIDIR was about psychological operations and intelligence in peacekeeping which can be downloaded here. At the same time, I also wrote an evaluation of the performance of the Russian military during the first Chechen war for the Journal of Slavic Military Studies which somebody has since uploaded here. The wars in Bosnia and Chechnia really opened my eyes to the real nature of the Empire. Since I thought that I was living in a democracy, I did voice my opinion on these topics and I soon ended up being viewed with suspicion by my former bosses. I quit the UN and took up a position at the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) which was probably the worst mistake of my life and which I shall never discuss publicly. By the time I got out of that job, I was basically blacklisted as a “dangerous element” (meaning “disloyal”) by my former bosses (my regular contacts with Russian diplomats and my efforts at providing aid to the Bosnian Serbs probably did not help). In total disgust, I abandoned my career as a military specialist and re-trained as a software engineer. When 9/11 crashed the IT sector I was unemployed again and I left Switzerland for the USA where I homeschooled our 3 children while doing odd jobs, mostly as a translator (I am fluent in Russian, French, English, Spanish and German) while my wife worked as a veterinarian (now, that our kids have grown up, my wife and I work together). In 2007 I decided to start an anonymous blog, mainly as a psychotherapy for myself, and I called it “Vineyard Saker” – a simple machine-generated anagram of my full name 🙂

Posted by: S | Dec 10 2020 21:38 utc | 249

S #249
Thank you for that definitive information. I have trouble with the Saker and your contribution is most helpful in sorting some of my perplexities and contradictions. The thought of it being russian ops is ridiculous. That it is odd at times -yes.
For others to claim it is a ‘Russian ops site’ is more revealing of the others and their ideological rectitude.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 10 2020 22:48 utc | 250

OOH…That’s not good…

Australia’s billion dollar coronavirus vaccine is SCRAPPED after trial participants returned HIV ‘false positives’ – dashing hopes the home-grown jab could immunize every Aussie

It looks like trial subjects receiving the Aussie “UQ” (University of Queensland researchers originated technology) vaccine develop *antibodies to HIV* that are picked up by rapid HIV home tests.
Company’s ‘forward-looking’ press release blurb [April 2020] from the business partnering with Queensland University to develop the UQ technology into a new nCoV vaccine drug

Posted by: gm | Dec 10 2020 22:54 utc | 251

Posted by: Paul | Dec 10 2020 21:45 utc | 18
That sounds sort of like an HIV vaccine, some people might find a working HIV vaccine useful.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 10 2020 23:13 utc | 252

Sorry, that was for gm. Tsk.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 10 2020 23:14 utc | 253

@visak #235:

I never said he worked for intelligence services. . .

Yes, you did, in your comment #194 (I have highlighted the relevant parts in bold):

I just read your post from the saker, I have say that I totally agree with what you have written below. I have read the saker for years as I thought he was a rational and logical writer (felt the same about larchmonter, ramin, jimmie moglia), but I have noticed a distinct change in the tone over there , and I think they are guilty of what you write below.
“I’m taking a different tack I don’t mean to be insulting but now I am wondering if there are some Russian ops sites to play with our (America’s) heads. Don’t get me wrong. We deserve it.”

“Russian ops site” means a website set up and controlled by a Russian intelligence service for the purpose of waging information war. A person who runs such a website is obviously working for that service. When you say that you think The Saker is “guilty” of running a “Russian ops site”, you are saying that he works for a Russian intelligence service.

You sound like an intelligent guy. . .

Thank you for your somewhat backhanded compliment, but I have never indicated my gender on this website.

I am a little annoyed though at all the assumptions you made concerning me.

I have not made any assumptions about you. You, on the contrary, are making a giant assumption about The Saker—something I take issue with.
#236:

Try looking at it from the opposite angle. If what I suspect is the case, were actually true, then the behavior I believe I have witnessed would be what one would expect. Wouldnt you agree?

Had he been an SVR/GU asset, he would have continued to work for the General Staff of Swiss Armed Forces and would have never uttered anything even remotely sympathetic to Russia. What use is a Florida veterinarian to Putin?
I also have a question for you. Why, after concluding that The Saker is running a “Russian ops site”—something that you don’t like—are you using “visak”, an obvious contraction of The Vineyard of the Saker, as your username?

Posted by: S | Dec 11 2020 1:14 utc | 254

@254 S
I’ve been reading the Saker since the Maidan. When the fog of war was as thick as the bullshit of propaganda, he and a tiny few others were the only sources of clarity.
I’ve read some of his older pieces, and I’ve glanced at enough of his writings on theology and other things to know that he’s someone who comes by his opinions the way we all do, by working and studying for them. It would be hard to find a more intellectually honest person, in my experience.
Saker introduced me to a lot of the Russian mind and culture, and history, as well as the Russian fighting capabilities (and Orlov supplied a lot of the rest). He introduced me to Hezbollah and explained the nature of its position and standing in the region. He offered a number of resources on Zionism and Judaism. He introduced me to a lot of things that I now take for granted.
I’ve watched him move his site to a more bulletproof hosting, institute a moderator system, and write less personally but showcase much more content from others. Along the way, there seems to be a Saker community of sorts that’s grown, and it seems to be quite sizable. Everyone is obviously as broke as the rest of us, and no growth has occurred in any way other than the most natural-seeming.
Throughout it all, Saker has held fast, as far as I’m aware, to one simple rule, namely: it’s a blog, it’s his blog, he’s the blogger, and no one has to read him.
I’ve suggested the same principle to b on occasion (speaking of intellectually honest people).
As with you, I feel a certain need to bear witness to the uprightness of the Saker I’ve experienced in the last six or seven years.
I really regret this creeping tendency to call various writers and sites suspect. I suppose it may be an authentic habit of thinking with some people, but I’m quite certain that it’s also a device used by the enemy to sow FUD. So I usually call bullshit on it whenever I see it.
Grateful to see you standing up for the Saker. With you at that barricade.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 11 2020 3:57 utc | 255

Land of the Freeloaders:
Jobless Benefits Saved Them, Until States Wanted the Money Back
Don’t want to pay the money back?

Posted by: vk | Dec 11 2020 14:51 utc | 256

I would offer that a two second internet search, would put to rest your conclusion that my user name has something to do with the saker.
If you have paid attention to any of my posts it is rally obvious what this means.
Hint: think buddhism.
I take back my sincere original comment, you are an idiot.

Posted by: visak | Dec 12 2020 16:19 utc | 257