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December 17, 2020
Open Thread 2020-99
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GT Voice: Dump of US Treasury bonds is due to dollar’s weakness
Translation: the USA doesn’t have the money. Five hour press conference, and fresh as a flower. That goes for the rumors of Putin’s health. And a lot of content too, the arrogant BBC journo got his due from Vlad, the Icelandic journo expressed what a lot of people feel, sympathy for Russia in spite of the unrelenting info war. I’d like to see any western leader performing a similar task. Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2020 14:47 utc | 2 Civil war becomes inevitable in the USA Posted by: Ringo | Dec 17 2020 14:59 utc | 3 Boiling Frogs Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 15:32 utc | 4 @Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 15:32 utc | 4 Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 15:38 utc | 5 SECOND health worker in Alaska suffers allergic reaction after getting Pfizer Covid-19 jab @Ringo | Dec 17 2020 14:59 utc | 3
From the outside looking in, it sure looks that way. I don’t see how the US can survive the process that so far has culminated with the massive election fraud. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 17 2020 15:48 utc | 7 @vk | Dec 17 2020 15:44 utc | 6
The hunt for profit and power has now resulted in people being used as live test animals for a “vaccine” that is totally unnecessary. This stuff is criminal to the extreme. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 17 2020 15:52 utc | 8 Russia banned from using its name, flag at next two Olympics
In other words: this doping scandal never existed; but it was never about sports: it is all – and always was – about propaganda. Russian athletes will continue to compete normally – only without the Russian symbols. “UK Supreme Court Accepts Guaido’s Appeal For Control Over BoE’s Seizure Of Venezuelan Gold” Posted by: arby | Dec 17 2020 15:56 utc | 10 Clicked on link@3…What a mistake! Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 17 2020 16:03 utc | 11 re: Civil war becomes inevitable in the USA
It might provide the incentive for the SCOTUS to finally find some courage and take up the question of election fraud. Posted by: gm | Dec 17 2020 16:29 utc | 12 @ Norwegian 7 Posted by: Chevrus | Dec 17 2020 16:31 utc | 13 I just archived the following webpage at http://web.archive.org/
I happen to have scheduled an appointment with my primary care doctor early in January.
Note to self: “feel quite happy about that”. Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 16:33 utc | 14 @ Steven 11 Posted by: Chevrus | Dec 17 2020 16:37 utc | 15 Americans are generally such sheep it is hard to imagine us Americans taking up rebellion. Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 16:59 utc | 16 Max Blumenthal has a good interview with Rafael Correa on the Grayzone, information I never knew about how Correa was snookered by Lenin Moreno, talks about Assange, CIA, David Morales, the Spanish mercenary in charge of Ecuador’s security in London. Correa speaks in Spanish but it’s subtitled so worth the effort IMO. He also talks about Trump, Obama and Biden, gives Obama and Biden more credit than I would but his insights are informative and I believe he will continue to be a major leader on the left for Latin America. I think the leftists in Ecuador will prevail in February but it’s a hard, dangerous fight and the bad guys are fighting dirty like they did in Bolivia. https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/13/ecuador-rafael-correa-venezuela-assange/ Posted by: migueljose | Dec 17 2020 17:02 utc | 17 @ Librul 16 Posted by: Chevrus | Dec 17 2020 17:09 utc | 18 Norwegian @7: “Perhaps someone in the US can offer their perspective on how the present situation can be resolved peacefully.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 17 2020 17:15 utc | 19 I always wondered why all the interest in the increased villiianization of Russia and Iran. A serious move toward a non green hydrogen economy may be a clue. It appears HyET out of the Netherlands has developed a membrane for extracting hydrogen from methane. Posted by: Michael | Dec 17 2020 17:32 utc | 20 @Chevrus | Dec 17 2020 16:31 utc | 13
Thank you very much for your response and the link to that article, it was very interesting read. I noticed especially a few passages, such as for example
So it seems the establishment is attempting to instigate civil war, but there is a peaceful way out if the people seize the opportunity. Nevertheless, it still seems to imply the end of the US as we have known it. Furthermore, along the same lines:
Clearly, the lockdowns and medical tyranny is not a phenomenon isolated from the power struggle, it is obviously a weapon of the establishment, used against the people, to prevent them from organizing independently.
Exactly, when applying real scientific method and rational thinking, it is clear that the risk of covid is negligible, while the risk of the “vaccine” is huge. Once you realize that this is a weapon used in a power struggle and not a medical crisis, you also realize the enormity of the crime committed. It is very encouraging to hear that this is being understood more and more.
Indeed. This answers my question very well. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 17 2020 17:35 utc | 21 @ vk | Dec 17 2020 15:54 utc | 9 Posted by: LM | Dec 17 2020 17:45 utc | 22 @William Gruff | Dec 17 2020 17:15 utc | 19 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 17 2020 17:47 utc | 23 Fun with graphs: Norwegian @23: “I hope they fail like many plans in face of reality.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 17 2020 18:02 utc | 25 It’s like they get everyone revved up and then when they open the gates for the masses to head down the chute, nobody goes…. Posted by: Chevrus | Dec 17 2020 18:10 utc | 26 Global Times editorial celebrates moon mission and poverty elimination, a tandem neither the Outlaw US Empire nor any other nation has achieved. The key as ever is balance: @ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 17 2020 18:15 utc | 27
Except for the fact that, in Russia’s case, it is not working: @13 Chevrus It’s a falsehood often said and spread by Western politicos and media that Russia isn’t or lacks democracy. At the “traditional” year ending presser, Putin sinks that lie bigtime:
Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2020 14:47 utc | 2
https://www.unodc.org/documents/commissions/CND/CND_Sessions/CND_63Reconvened/statements/03Dec/Russian_National_statement.pdf Posted by: tucenz | Dec 17 2020 19:06 utc | 31 From Charles Hugh Smith blog: “…when applying real scientific method and rational thinking, it is clear that the risk of covid is negligible, while the risk of the “vaccine” is huge….” Norwegian@21 Posted by: bevin | Dec 17 2020 19:21 utc | 33 Fighting endless wars overseas and blatant corruption at home is how empires end. Here is the canary in the coal mine: Posted by: Paul | Dec 17 2020 19:21 utc | 34 The WADA allegations against the Russian Federation’s sporting establishment ultimately rely on the testimony of a single witness (who is also the chief culprit if the allegations are correct), and a tampering process which the manufacturer of the tamper-proof containers insists is impossible. The WADA investigation has been prosecuted by Canadian bureaucrats, who have been publicly outspoken in their animus towards Russia. It appears as another element in the informational war, moved into the sporting environment – one of the few truly international cooperative ventures humankind currently sustains. The recommended punishment, albeit, was halved. Most of the sporting doping these days involves “health” supplements which enjoy official exemption. Posted by: jayc | Dec 17 2020 19:37 utc | 35 Posted by: tucenz | Dec 17 2020 19:06 utc | 31 Posted by: Paco | Dec 17 2020 20:14 utc | 36 @Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 16:33 utc | 14
Over 4,000 adverse reactions (hospitalization, life-threatening illness, disability, or death) to vaccines are *reported* each year. Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 20:47 utc | 37 An interesting 15-minute video from Canadian youtuber numuves showing the pattern of how the US ensures technological dominance: Posted by: Canadian Cents | Dec 17 2020 21:00 utc | 38 that Brandon Smith guy is well worth reading Posted by: Rae | Dec 17 2020 21:04 utc | 39 Rae @39– Jimmy Dore is running this excellent slow motion investigation of the the spineless sellout Dimoratss hanging by their own petard. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2020 21:40 utc | 41 @12 gm – “…when [Texas] joined, it retained a right to opt out”
Apparently, Texas joined the Union with a state resolution that allowed it to split into smaller states – but not that it could withdraw from the Union. No such power to secede exists within the Constitution. When you join, it’s forever, unless you can amend the Constitution to allow you to leave. Posted by: Grieved | Dec 17 2020 22:53 utc | 42 @davenitup 29 Posted by: Chevrus | Dec 17 2020 23:27 utc | 43 -Grieved | Dec 17 2020 22:53 utc | 43 Posted by: gm | Dec 17 2020 23:28 utc | 44 Canadian Cents #38
Thank you for an excellent post. numuves is a legend Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 17 2020 23:55 utc | 45 Walter #46
Thank you. I am with you 100%. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 0:00 utc | 46 … Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 18 2020 0:22 utc | 47 I am experiencing what I believe to be routing table failures with ZH, Reuters, and some smaller stuff. The latest trying to get to ZH gave me a blank page call Untitled. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2020 1:11 utc | 48 re: “Still no ZH….time for dinner” Posted by: gm | Dec 18 2020 1:27 utc | 49 This Book Turns Everything You Thought You Knew About North Korea Upside Down Posted by: bevin | Dec 18 2020 1:34 utc | 50 Katie Halper is part of the medicare for all team and is driving AOC and the Squad to squeeze Pelosi to deliver something other than ‘performative art’ in >A HREF=”https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeCOCYhPi5g”>this video. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 1:37 utc | 51 ZH TEST link for psychohistorian: Posted by: gm | Dec 18 2020 1:37 utc | 52 @ gm | Dec 18 2020 1:37 utc | 55 with the ZH link….thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2020 1:40 utc | 53 Below is a link from The Register about the latest regarding SoalrWinds et al Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2020 2:27 utc | 54 @ 53 bevin… the book just came out dec 2020… it seems they didn’t print enough… see clarity press website for ordering it directly… clarity press seems to print a lot of books of this nature… the cia has neither bought them out or bought up all the books either.. Posted by: james | Dec 18 2020 2:37 utc | 55 @54 uncle tungsten – and your other Jimmy Dore posts too Posted by: Grieved | Dec 18 2020 3:37 utc | 56 Grieved #59 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 3:54 utc | 57 Meanwhile the Indian General Strike continues. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 3:57 utc | 58 @ uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 3:54 utc | 60 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2020 4:04 utc | 59 The confining of the pirate UASi empire within its borders has to start with Mexico as they have been hounded by the northern rabid dog for too long. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 4:05 utc | 60 psychohistorian #62 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 4:17 utc | 61 More on Dore Posted by: Grieved | Dec 18 2020 4:29 utc | 62 AOC gets a cute interview by the trendy Intercept. Analyse this defeatist, strategy free signaling.
As Jimmy Dore and the M4A team point out:- YOU HAVE NEVER HAD SO MUCH POWER TO DEMAND CONCESSIONS – SO GO FOR IT. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 5:26 utc | 63 USAi aviation regulator dumps on Boeing. Again-747 and again-777 and again-787.
Boeing – technology to die for. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 5:37 utc | 64 There is so much stupidity in things nuclear and whenever things go wrong – Russians did it. Not Ukranians or Israelis who have some excellent capacity and mendacious intentions, not some hackers taking advantage of stupid vulnerabilities. No, it was the Russians. Seriously the USAi needs counseling.
There is so much obfuscation and chanting of mantras here that its enough to give one the impression that IT security journalists have recently escaped the ashram. This entire report highlights the very reason why nuclear weapons should be entirely dismantled and the absurd ‘security’ basis for their existence be exposed as the fraud it is. But mind you there is a heist and hundreds of millions of dollars rattling in the background of this giant hustle. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 6:02 utc | 65 @bevin | Dec 17 2020 19:21 utc | 33
You respond with hatred and irrational venom to my appeal to reason and scientific method. Hillariously, you even invoke Hitler and Mussolini and thus fail according to Godwin’s law. I see your accusation of fascism as the usual projection. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2020 6:14 utc | 66 Below is a ZH link about a high ranking US Cardinal’s latest rant like our commenter Nemisis… Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 18 2020 6:19 utc | 67 Falun Gong gets mapped and ripped by Nathan Rich. Barflies with an interest in how Falun Gong is used to attack China will appreciate this 40 minute video. Nathan Rich is a solid friend and resident of China and has a few haters out in the unreal capitalist west. He is a prolific publisher and well worth peeking about in the gallery. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 6:29 utc | 68 OOH…Tennesee nurse at CHI Memorial Hospital passed out on live television after receiving the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine on Thursday. Posted by: gm | Dec 18 2020 7:10 utc | 69 uncle tungsten @63, glad you liked that video too! After I stumbled across it today, I had to share it here. Posted by: Canadian Cents | Dec 18 2020 7:20 utc | 70 NO LAUGHING. This is the Biden clown cart in motion. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 7:40 utc | 71 @Posted by: librul | Dec 17 2020 16:33 utc | 14
How do we know this mandate hasn’t been followed?
Posted by: pogohere | Dec 18 2020 7:43 utc | 72 gm #70
Great find gm. Thank you that made my day. Now for a strong drink and hysterical laughter. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 7:57 utc | 73 So who gets the profits from the largely publicly funded vaccines, and who gets the intellectual property rights reserved to them, making the poorer countries pay. Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Dec 18 2020 8:06 utc | 74 pogohere #73
TWENTY NINE vaccines by age ONE ! That is obscene. Does each jab use mercury derivative as the buffer? Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 8:08 utc | 75 Minority Report – there must be somewhere a thinktank full of swimming Horselover Fat dicks. Posted by: js | Dec 18 2020 8:49 utc | 76 The poisoned fruits of marketing, once a catchy name is attached to anything that anything is doomed. Posted by: Paco | Dec 18 2020 8:54 utc | 77 gm #70 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 8:56 utc | 78 @uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 8:56 utc | 79 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2020 9:17 utc | 79 During their livestream of the vaccinations at CHI Memorial, Nurse Manager Tiffany Dover while speaking to the media about receiving the vaccine mentioned she started feeling dizzy. She fainted, but thankfully one of the doctors behind her caught her. Posted by: Mao | Dec 18 2020 9:56 utc | 80 Posted by: Canadian Cents | Dec 18 2020 7:20 utc | 71 Posted by: JW | Dec 18 2020 10:33 utc | 81 Important Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 18 2020 10:38 utc | 82 Norwegian #80 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 10:44 utc | 83 Further to my Mark2 @ 83 Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 18 2020 10:56 utc | 84 @uncle tungsten | Dec 18 2020 10:44 utc | 84
Much appreciated! Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 18 2020 11:34 utc | 85 Here are two separate non-msm, clearly presented pro-Trump alt-news platforms’ Thursday night round-ups fovusing mainly on the impending election fraud coup of Trump, and their takes on what Trump is/should be doing to keep the election theft from succeeding. Posted by: gm | Dec 18 2020 11:43 utc | 86 China & Russia listed as main rivals in new US maritime strategy aimed at shaping ‘balance of power for the rest of the century’ From what I can see America has got a big big problem brewing.!! Bigger than anything seen in recent history. Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 18 2020 12:28 utc | 88 In the last half hour of Maria Bartiroma’s Fox Biz morning show today she had a long segment with Trump-supporter NFL and mixed martial arts legend, Herschel Walker, and his outspoken ‘stop the steal’ son Christian Walker. Posted by: gm | Dec 18 2020 14:27 utc | 89 Well. everybody knows that it is only Russia that has the right to carry out war crimes because the Guardian Newspaper, the NY Times and the Washington Post are opposed to them. For this, you don’t need a brain. All you have to do is put a plus where the State Department, et al, put a minus. The role of Grayzone and this sorry blog is to be a sounding board for RT.com so there’s no worry about them ever being called out for channeling state-propaganda. Maybe there’s even some rubles coming out of it, as Blumenthal learned after going to the RT bash. He turned 180 degrees on his pre-bash writings on Syria but it was worth it to get connected to the mother lode. Posted by: LOUIS PROYECT | Dec 18 2020 14:34 utc | 90 @68 psycho Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 18 2020 14:43 utc | 91 Black Agenda Report on the awkwardness of having power and not wanting to use it: Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 18 2020 14:48 utc | 92 @ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 18 2020 14:43 utc | 92 @94 vk Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 18 2020 15:44 utc | 94 Read that Pence and wife took the Pfizer vaccine in front of a banner which reads “Safe and Effective”…to encourage Americans to take the jab.. Posted by: H.Schmatz | Dec 18 2020 16:42 utc | 95 NemesisCalling @92: “…we would be much better without trading so much in SE Asia…”
Many, if not most, Americans would not even be able to afford clothes if they were not cheap stuff made in China or Bangladesh. I would say those products being cheap certainly benefited those people who want to remain clothed. Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 18 2020 16:43 utc | 96 “IN SUM: There is no right of secession that exists in the Constitution, not for any member. You have to amend it by agreement, or breach it, and hold that breach, by force.” Posted by: suzan | Dec 18 2020 16:58 utc | 97 LOUIS PROYECT@91 Posted by: bevin | Dec 18 2020 17:16 utc | 98 @ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 18 2020 15:44 utc | 95 Read yesterday that a reputed mathemathician who predicted how the Covid-19 pandemic will behave, thinks that the only way to get rid of the coronavirus is a harsh massive lockdown of an other year long till the SARSCov-2 dies by itself, otherwise we will be dealing with it for ever….
Thus, it will be interesting to investigate who the stakeholders of Moderna are, to know who is going to beneffit from public money without taking any risk, as we seem to be being take for a ride ( the same way we were with the Tamiflu and Avian Flu…) so that some people become rich and some governments achieve being displaced from focus on their disastrous management, while in the end getting without any beneffit and spending way too much money which would be necessary to fund the loses produced. Posted by: H.Schmatz | Dec 18 2020 17:45 utc | 100 |
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