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December 29, 2020
Open Thread 2020-103
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Here is part 2 from the distinguished former Australian diplomat and public servant: Posted by: Paul | Dec 29 2020 19:28 utc | 1 this is huge (reposting): https://swprs.org/russian-hacking-nato-psyop-revealed/ Posted by: Elon | Dec 29 2020 19:33 utc | 2 I would be interested to have b’s take on the Navalny saga and the now infamous phone call with Kudryatsev (or whoever was at the other end of the line). Posted by: Micron | Dec 29 2020 19:54 utc | 3 @ 2 elon.. it isn’t huge, but thanks for sharing it either way… it is going over the same stuff we have gone over at moa since day one with all of this.. cheers.. Posted by: james | Dec 29 2020 20:16 utc | 4 Paul | Dec 29 2020 19:28 utc | 1 Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 29 2020 20:17 utc | 5 Russian scientists suspected of ‘doomsday weapons’ project involving deadly Ebola virus Posted by: Francis | Dec 29 2020 20:18 utc | 6 another dipshit story from the uk… that is all they have! they really need to stick to humour.. they don’t do anything else very well.. Posted by: james | Dec 29 2020 20:20 utc | 7 More strangeness regarding the Christmas morning downtown Nashville explosion: Posted by: gm | Dec 29 2020 20:21 utc | 8 I forgot to mention that the Chinese will command access to and from East Aus. to the West and the multiple shipping lines that use the channel. Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 29 2020 20:23 utc | 9 Micron @ 3: Posted by: Jen | Dec 29 2020 20:29 utc | 10 Francis | Dec 29 2020 20:18 utc | 6 Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 29 2020 20:35 utc | 11 Original link found on: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 29 2020 20:42 utc | 12 @james | Dec 29 2020 20:16 utc | 4 Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 29 2020 20:46 utc | 13 The disgraceful farce in the USAi: holding a defense appropriation bill hostage to get a $2000 support for the people by driving a ‘force the vote’ concession out of the vile Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell. McConnell is not saying if he will even put the vote on the agenda for a debate! Perhaps he knows that there are sufficient Republican supporters of the vote for $2000 that it will pass and he will be done for. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2020 21:08 utc | 14 @ Micron | Dec 29 2020 19:54 utc | 3 Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Dec 29 2020 21:19 utc | 15 @gm | Dec 29 2020 20:21 utc | 8 Posted by: pokums | Dec 29 2020 21:23 utc | 16 james@7 Posted by: bevin | Dec 29 2020 21:50 utc | 17 @4 james: you didn’t get it. read it again. huge new revelations, first time ever hard proof at the technical level. Posted by: Elon | Dec 29 2020 21:51 utc | 18 China is not the reason why the US’ ‘luck’ is running out james #4 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 29 2020 23:45 utc | 20 New Labour’s lord and saviour, sir Keir Starmer, reveals himself completely impotent against Brexit:
That’s the problem with artificially fabricated leaders: they’re just the husk. No real power at all. @ pokums | Dec 29 2020 21:23 utc | 16 Posted by: gm | Dec 30 2020 0:43 utc | 22 China and EU poised to sign long-delayed investment deal … Posted by: Nick | Dec 30 2020 1:07 utc | 24 @18 Elon Posted by: Grieved | Dec 30 2020 1:09 utc | 25 @Grieved | Dec 30 2020 1:09 utc | 25 Posted by: gm | Dec 30 2020 1:17 utc | 26 PS: Elon’s link was from his post 153 in the last open thead 2020-102, which seemed to get frozen for a while earlier in the day. Posted by: gm | Dec 30 2020 1:26 utc | 27 @26 gm Posted by: Grieved | Dec 30 2020 1:33 utc | 28 I actually came back to share a news item that may be old news here by now – it’s from mid-December. Samantha Power is to be the new head of USAID. Black Agenda Report has a story on this:
Power is a strange case, and for me she holds a morbid fascination because she used to strike me as someone with liberal and altruistic tendencies – I wrote about her in this way when she was just joining the first Obama administration. I was impressed with her work to that date. But I was deluded and so was she. The difference is that she was rewarded for her delusion and doubled down on it, and apparently is in full cry with it still. Posted by: Grieved | Dec 30 2020 1:51 utc | 29 @29 I doubt if Powers sees herself as a fascist. More likely she thinks of herself as a crusader for democracy and human rights. Saddam and Ghadafi were perfect targets for her. Draw your own conclusions. Posted by: dh | Dec 30 2020 1:59 utc | 30 @ 17 bevin… you are probably correct… i had a moment of optimism there – short lived… nothing like sobering up here at the bar! Posted by: james | Dec 30 2020 2:51 utc | 31 In Russia – в России Posted by: Francis | Dec 30 2020 4:00 utc | 32 Larry Summers thinks $200 checks are too ‘extreme’. Here he is being wheeled out by the blue machine within the elite to bag the pathetic $600 payment. Katie and Jack give him and his thieving blue dog democrat propaganda a flogging.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 4:29 utc | 33 Posted by: Francis | Dec 30 2020 4:00 utc | 33 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 7:28 utc | 34 @james: you obviously aren’t a technical guy. the book for the first time delivers hard proof at the technical level. this is a huge breakthrough. nobody here cares what “the new york times” thinks or does. just look at how this guy caught the FBI by reverse-checking their old web certificates and IP ranges. this is just brilliant. but it looks like you simply don’t understand what he is talking about, or maybe you’re jealous that somebody else achieved such a breakthrough. https://loadedforguccifer.wordpress.com/2020/11/13/how-the-fbi-hid-their-russia-special/ Posted by: elon | Dec 30 2020 8:16 utc | 35 Grieved #28
If I can assist: “The ‘Russian hacking’ NATO psyop has finally been solved….
Ah yes Alperovitch that well known criminal associate of Joe Biden who was Obummer’s man in Ukraine and a few other war zones. Handy for him to be the President elect right now I guess but not so handy for the world at large as President Joe Xerxes Biden is about to ‘take control’. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 8:23 utc | 36 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 8:23 utc | 37
Yes, 90% of the Skripal narrative is obvious bollocks but that one particular item was never properly resolved and suggests the Russian side may not be completely truthful in the matter either. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2020 9:19 utc | 37 @gm | Dec 29 2020 20:21 utc | 8
I obviously don’t know for sure, but there has been a lot of talk about the AT&T building housing computers to be audited in relation to the massive US election fraud. So perhaps this was a way to avoid the audit. It would not surprise me. Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 30 2020 9:21 utc | 38 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2020 9:19 utc | 38 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2020 9:21 utc | 39 @bevin | Dec 29 2020 21:50 utc | 17 Posted by: Norwegian | Dec 30 2020 9:31 utc | 40 Arch Bungle |#38 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 10:37 utc | 41 ooops on my #42 it should read Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 10:41 utc | 42 I think in the Navalny case a lot more low profile conflict has been going on between the US and Russia than is public. So both the Russians and the US were very active in his neighbourhood which makes it easier to come up with a convincing story with a lot of truth , and a lie at the crucial point. Each time we have to believe the Russians did something totally stupid and against their interests. Bellingcat provides a lot of information because they get their info from the info the CIA has accumulated. Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Dec 30 2020 10:51 utc | 43 Arch Bungle #38 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 10:57 utc | 44 Tuyzentfloot | Dec 30 2020 10:51 utc | 44 Posted by: Stonebird | Dec 30 2020 11:46 utc | 45 Norwegian | Dec 30 2020 9:31 utc | 41 Posted by: EoinW | Dec 30 2020 11:49 utc | 46
This vaccine is still going through phase-III trials, but it clearly has great efficacy (up to 99%). Those will be the ones who will save the bulk of the lives around the world, specially in the Third World. Tibet legislature decries U.S. act smearing region’s development
Tibetans don’t want feudalism. Uncle Tungsten @ 42,43, Posted by: Jen | Dec 30 2020 12:22 utc | 49 Arch Bungle @ 38: Posted by: Jen | Dec 30 2020 12:41 utc | 50 Regarding universal health care: it is a benefit to society, provided the political elites are fiscally responsible and do not work against the system. Unfortunately they are never fiscally responsible, which means every health care system has a limited life span. It’s still much better than America’s predatory system. Most citizens in western democracies have enjoyed decades of good health care because of the single payer system. Posted by: EoinW | Dec 30 2020 12:43 utc | 51 The Independent Editorial: Supporting the Brexit deal is the first stage of the rebuilding process This is interesting:
A politically correct explanation or an testament to Western infrastructural decline? @38 Arch Bungle Posted by: S.O. | Dec 30 2020 13:24 utc | 54 @ Micron 3 – Others have correctly stated that anything Bellingcat publishes should be studied not for facts, but for how MI6 intersects with Bellingcat and how it aims to organize its propaganda. The methodology is very similar to the spoofing around the Spiral case, only it has been stepped up with a phone call. Remember that in the Spiral so-called ‘unmasking’ of the two Russian travelers to Salisbury, Bellingcat used the public’s (and unfortunately also Craig Murray’s) tendency to believe more when they see pictures. Yet none of the supposed aliases were proven then. This methodology has just been a bit widened to include a video while you see Navalny making the phone call – however, the rest would have to be thoroughly examined and is most definitely far-fetched. The key here, though, is not so much that it can’t be disproven: the key is that it lays out a fascinating narrative. Bellingcat/MI6 and the CIA use hungry Ukrainian KGB people as consultants – their stamp and methodology is on almost all research and especially any hints at motive of the alleged perps. Posted by: Josh | Dec 30 2020 13:35 utc | 55 https://southfront.org/mysterious-disappearance-of-flu-in-san-diego-prompted-call-for-audit-of-covid-records/ Bellingcat is a classic ‘front’. Neither Higgins nor its ‘researchers’ is responsible for anything more than signing its name to the output of the state Intelligence teams concocting these narratives. Bellingcat has very little credibility but MI6 and the CIA have none at all which is why they employ fronts of all kinds to publish their stories. Their patronage of Higgins is an indication of how worn out the “security sources asking that their names not be used” ploy in the MSM has become. Posted by: bevin | Dec 30 2020 14:05 utc | 57 I think Belling cat’s main purpose is to keep everybody occupied with an endless list of false trails. You aren’t supposed to believe them, you are supposed to waste your time proving them wrong. This is why the narrative is always faintly ridiculous. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 14:49 utc | 58 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 10:37 utc | 42 Maybe there will be more on that at John Helmer ‘dances with bears’. Posted by: vato | Dec 30 2020 15:03 utc | 59 The return of Fukuyama. Highly recommend the read: Seeing a graphic of comparative economic effects of the pandemic, one would say that the pandemic achieved equaling almost all economies in the world, in the losing, since it achieves slowing those who were growing at fast pace, like China and Russia, and throws in in the depth the EU which was recovering already from the 2008 crisis, while the US, who loses the least, stays more or less the same… Posted by: H.Schmatz | Dec 30 2020 15:19 utc | 61 what still bothers me, is why a vaccine at all, already several very effective infection preventives have been presented and no one seems interested in preventing infection,, guess infection prevention lacks sufficient profit and c/n/b patented? Posted by: snake | Dec 30 2020 15:35 utc | 62 Posted by: snake | Dec 30 2020 15:35 utc | 62 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 15:56 utc | 63 When people like Navalny make it to the news level, it’s a cause for concern at the very least. Preparation about what’s in store for us all in the time ahead. Yesterday I noticed that Juan Guaido was back on PBS. We all need to be outraged, alarmed, and scared. In reality, though, I see nothing but irrelevance of any one propped up by the news, quintessences of dust. Posted by: Geoff | Dec 30 2020 16:01 utc | 64 Capitalist totalitarianism:
If Biden is made President Biden Hopes that Mike Morell is coming back as CIA Director. Posted by: librul | Dec 30 2020 16:42 utc | 66 https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Bracing-for-a-possible-Iranian-linked-attack-15836041.php Posted by: Hoyeru | Dec 30 2020 16:55 utc | 67 Bemildred @ 63 reveals Houthis attack Aden many dead & injured.Riyadh next <=probably explains Hoyeru @ 67's link Yemeni success destroys Iran? . Posted by: snake | Dec 30 2020 17:19 utc | 68 vk@65 tries to judo “totalitarianism” against capitalists, but everyone knows “totalitarianism” means fascism and communism are the same except, Stalin killed more people therefore he’s worse. Fascism and democracy are developed political forms of capitalism (absolutist monarchy and mixed monarchy were previous transitional forms in an earlier phase of capitalist development.) Fascism is the combat formation of capitalism aimed against communism and thus every invocation of “totalitarianism,” like serious use of the phrase “Soviet empire” coyly flirts with anticommunism. The forms of government suitable for socialist/communist societies have yet to be fully worked out. Imitations of old forms, like the old Korean monarchy, still hold too much sway. Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 30 2020 17:32 utc | 69 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 15:56 utc | 63
Are we sure this was a Houthi strike? I know it seems the obvious thing to conclude but I’m trying to understand why everything *except the ostensible target* was hit. Ansar Allah is not known for being imprecise, they could have definitely taken out the entire plane on the runway. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2020 17:47 utc | 70 @james @13 Posted by: Mike from Jersey | Dec 30 2020 17:51 utc | 71 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2020 17:47 utc | 70 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 18:06 utc | 72 Deaths in private homes, England and Wales (provisional): deaths registered from 28 December 2019 to 11 September 2020 (Provisional figures on deaths in private homes in England and Wales [least release]) Posted by: ADKC | Dec 30 2020 18:08 utc | 73 Posted by: Mike from Jersey | Dec 30 2020 17:51 utc | 71 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 18:12 utc | 74 This study, recently published in Nature, with almost 10 million participants in Wuhan, finds that asymptomatic Covid-19 patients DO NOT transmit the disease. If this is true, then this is no different than other respiratory tract infectious diseases like influenza. Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Dec 30 2020 18:15 utc | 75 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 18:06 utc | 72 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 30 2020 18:15 utc | 76 Errata @74 Posted by: ADKC | Dec 30 2020 18:19 utc | 77 @snake:Houthis: your link is broke. Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 18:22 utc | 78 @ 38 elon… no, i understand it elon.. i am saying reality doesn’t matter to these sycophants… that is what i am saying… cheers james Posted by: james | Dec 30 2020 18:41 utc | 79 Elliot Higgins used to post a summary of links to various stories about the Middle East on The Guardian MENA live blog. He never contributed anything useful or intelligent to the discussion. Just links to other stories. He was posting under the pseudonym Brown Moses. When confronted about some of the links he would mumble something about he didn’t write the article etc. He never struck me as a particularly thoughtful or insightful commentator. Posted by: Down South | Dec 30 2020 19:03 utc | 80 Report from a local Nashville news reporter and outlet:
If we accept, for the sake of argument, that the statements reported here, of the alleged former girlfriend of the ‘Lee RV Oswald’ bomber, and the Nashville and TBI law enforcement authorities are true, Posted by: gm | Dec 30 2020 19:08 utc | 81 “The penny has not yet dropped in Brussels – and maybe it never will – that the tactic of aggregation, which worked so well with Theresa May, won’t work any longer. Posted by: groucho | Dec 30 2020 19:09 utc | 82 Bemildred,
That is an astute observation. Posted by: Mike from Jersey | Dec 30 2020 19:35 utc | 83 @gm | Dec 30 2020 19:08 utc | 83 Posted by: pokums | Dec 30 2020 19:39 utc | 84 Posted by: Mike from Jersey | Dec 30 2020 19:35 utc | 85 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 30 2020 19:52 utc | 85 I see vk linked to this outstanding Global Times op/ed that buries Fukuyama’s assertion that “the Western democratic system with accountability will be better.” Apparently, Prof. Fukuyama has failed to note the complete lack of accountability within Western systems, particularly the Outlaw US Empire’s. But then he’s never even commented on the completely illegal nature of the USA’s activities, so he doesn’t rate very highly as an objective critic in my book. Indeed, he fills the office of apologist quite well like the numerous “court historians” that came before him: Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2020 20:04 utc | 88 Posted by: Paco | Dec 30 2020 20:21 utc | 87 Lavrov’s interview with MATCH TV eventually gets into a discussion of the WADA and its actions: Paco @89– Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 30 2020 20:25 utc | 91 Posted by: Paco | Dec 30 2020 20:43 utc | 90 Jen #51 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 20:43 utc | 91 @ Stonebird @ 5 & 9: Posted by: Paul | Dec 30 2020 20:46 utc | 92 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 20:43 utc | 93 Posted by: Paco | Dec 30 2020 20:47 utc | 93 Lavrov’s end-of-year interview with TASS covers a broad spectrum as one would imagine. Here’s a taster: @93 Posted by: Lee RV Oswald | Dec 30 2020 21:01 utc | 95 paco #95 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 21:16 utc | 96 karlof1 #96 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 21:23 utc | 97 Lee RV Oswald #97
One of the front seaters was driving, the other was inconvenienced by a bullet in the spine as I recall. Any decent sniper with a fine rifle within the range available could have achieved that. The motorcade was crawling at low speed. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 21:32 utc | 98 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 30 2020 21:16 utc | 98 Posted by: Paco | Dec 30 2020 21:33 utc | 99 Putin and PM Mikhail Mishustin discuss infrastructure and transport development in rather fine detail. Readers will get a good glimpse of how the state at different levels is involved in these realms of development. It’s also clear that Russia remains a developing country that still isn’t completely connected, a condition remarked upon by both. It’s easy to see how the massive amounts of state investment will help Russia’s domestic industries, the employment issue, the connectivity issue, and facilitate a large increase in the speed and amount of goods transported through existing and newly developed transport corridors. What Russia’s doing is precisely what the Outlaw US Empire ought to be doing but isn’t. State investment and ultimate control over Natural Monopolies is the most efficient method of their development and management and provides the best illustration of how to develop and manage public/private partnerships. In retrospect, it’s very unfortunate that the USSR wasn’t managed in similar fashion. |
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