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December 24, 2020
Open Thread 2020-101
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Resumen Latinoamericano: Since the end of the so-called ‘progressive wave’ in Latin America, which marked the first decade of this century, the regional left was relegated to being the opposition, but in the agitated atmosphere of 2020 it regained its hopes with new electoral victories. In Chile, the proposal for constitutional reform promoted by leftist sectors was approved, while in Bolivia, the Movement Towards Socialism (MAS) of former president Evo Morales (2006-2019) returned to government. Already in 2019, Peronism had returned to Argentina with the triumph of Alberto Fernandez, which awakened the first hopes among Latin American leftist sectors. Posted by: Maracatu | Dec 24 2020 11:40 utc | 1 A Hard Look at Rent and Rent Seeking with Michael Hudson & Pepe Escobar https://youtu.be/IquO_TcMZIQ Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 24 2020 11:47 utc | 2 still Maracatu @ 1 it is not clear to me how to process what you have summarized.. Posted by: snake | Dec 24 2020 14:20 utc | 4 Posted by: Maracatu | Dec 24 2020 11:40 utc | 1 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 24 2020 14:45 utc | 6 A Merry Christmas to all and a safe New Year…..(and PEACE to ALL). Posted by: georgeg | Dec 24 2020 15:33 utc | 7 Bellingcat debunk’s Trump’s claim that the rockets launched at U.S. Embassy in Baghdad were from Iran. Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Dec 24 2020 15:46 utc | 8 Sorry, Americans: no candies for you this Christmas:
I searched for that in the Global Times and the Xinhua and found no data that confirms the highlighted part of the quote. There was only one instance of “BrahMos” in 2020, which merely states the system was tested.
Someone should teach those journalists some maths: the whole project cost USD 60 billion. USD 75 billion already were lent in 2016 alone – more than covering for the entire cost of the entire project. The article revolves around a new bill passed in the Pakistani parliament giving its Army more power on supervising the project, with an explicit aim to better guard it against external threats and terrorist sabotage. I finally got around to listening to the Michael Hudson/Pepe Escobar that karlof1 shared here a little while ago, and must say I really liked it: Posted by: gm | Dec 24 2020 16:24 utc | 10 Well, as predicted Republicans blocked the Unanimous Consent motion to approve the $2000 stimulus payment, AND GUESS WHAT? Posted by: Circe | Dec 24 2020 16:38 utc | 11 No matter how much money Americans get under stimulus bill, it’s not enough to deal with their financial problems – Prof. Wolff
RE: -vk | Dec 24 2020 16:40 utc | 13
I assume vk is well aware of the strongly pejorative connotation the term “Maarxist” carries with the great majority of MSM-programmed Americans[akin to something just slightly less bad than being a “Pedophile’]. Posted by: gm | Dec 24 2020 17:19 utc | 13 Three-Tier Truncated Range Voting (3TTRV) — Something to look forward to after the looming revolution: blues @Dec24 17:20 15 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 24 2020 18:30 utc | 15 The origins of the RT-PCR on which it is based our whole strategy against the Covid-19 pandemic, how it was created and in a rush published in a scientific private review, without oblied previous peer review, and which the conflict of interests are and how some people are profiting from this pandemic: Posted by: H.Schmatz | Dec 24 2020 18:35 utc | 16 gm @14– I highly suggest this Global Times article, “Lessons for China from US COVID-19 crisis.” I don’t share the optimistic take on Biden easing tensions with China or acting in concert with China on any issue. @ Posted by: gm | Dec 24 2020 17:19 utc | 14; @ Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 24 2020 18:50 utc | 18 Merry Christmas to all the Barflies and many thanks to B for continuing this site. I have learned much from my fellow readers and your posts are the highlight of my day. Cheers and here is hoping for better days ahead. Posted by: ld | Dec 24 2020 19:36 utc | 20 Posted by: vk | Dec 24 2020 16:40 utc | 13 Posted by: vato | Dec 24 2020 19:52 utc | 21 @ karlof1 (19) Posted by: joey_n | Dec 24 2020 20:50 utc | 22 While governments around the world are planning to spend trillions on clean energy, EV’s, renewables and the green energy revolution, there are a number of limiting factors: Posted by: Paul | Dec 24 2020 20:52 utc | 23 I’m very interested in the glaciological happenings on Greenland and was very pleased to see this news. What these researchers did and will continue to do is quite ballsy but essential. Unfortunately, the entire paper is behind a paywall. I imagine it will soon be displaced by new research as the significance of the water drainage via moulins dawns upon the wider scientific community. vk@10 seems to be unaware that “fair competition” includes employers paying on average the market cost of employee’s labor power. Their use of said labor power in the production process generates more value than they bought, which surplus value is the ultimate source of profits and interest. Their exploitation of labor power is conducted entirely in “fair competition” as understood by pretty much everyone pushing for an anti-trust policy. Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 24 2020 21:27 utc | 25 joey_n @23– karlof1 | Dec 24 2020 18:50 utc | 18…and 19, and to all at MOA Posted by: chu teh | Dec 24 2020 21:43 utc | 27 Link I just posted in reply at yesterday’s thread: Posted by: chu teh | Dec 24 2020 21:48 utc | 28 Yasha Levine offer some sober end of year clarification. Always a good writer and thinker.
Good luck to all for the year ahead and particularly good luck to Yemen, Iran and Venezuela and all those nations being jackbooted by the USAi. PEACE please. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 24 2020 21:57 utc | 29 This Scott Ritter op/ed is a good read and puts much into perspective if you’ve been paying attention. For example, think of the breakneck speed Putin’s trying to get Russia’s national projects underway and completed. Think of the ongoing and quickening pace of Eurasian integration. The McFaul citation, “Russia is way more powerful today than it was 20 years ago, and it’s way more powerful today than it was four years ago,” is yet another consideration. Finally, Putin and Lavrov have spoken of the ever increasing need to negotiate an International Cyber Security Treaty for almost all of Trump’s term. And I’ll wager the USA’s National Debt that Russia is very busily finishing its “for internal use only” internet that firewalls the energy, defense and communications portions of Russian infrastructure. HIB Trumps $2K noTrump Posted by: snake | Dec 24 2020 22:49 utc | 31 Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Dec 24 2020 15:46 utc | 9 Posted by: One Too Many | Dec 24 2020 23:06 utc | 32 The narcissistic sociopaths and their parsimonious $600 offer get totally played by Trump. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 24 2020 23:37 utc | 33 Vic reminds us all of our human fragility Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 25 2020 0:13 utc | 34 Does anyone suspect it unlikely that Reps and Senators wouldn’t have checked with trump whether he would sign the prospective legislation? Posted by: oglalla | Dec 25 2020 1:24 utc | 35 Excellent unz article titled “The Rise and Fall of Conservatism in Michigan.”
I am continually fascinated by Ron Unz’s site where alternative views thrive and are debated. I would say the above article’s thesis, that, through it all, and despite any pet project of those at the bar, the real conflicts at play in the U.S. continually involve the three predominant religious identities of Protestantism, Catholicism, and Judaism. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 25 2020 2:24 utc | 36 I voted for Bernie in the primary of 2016 because although he was just less bad on foreign policy his domestic program was ok. This time I voted for Tulsi Gabbard because her foreign policy was ok and she appears to be as she presents herself. I didn’t vote in the actual Presidential elections because we the people had lost when the nominations were done. Since then Bernie is ok as a member of Congress but doesn’t have what it takes to make his program happen. Similarly for Jeremy Corbyn. He let the Zionists gut his party and later him. National politics in the US is a lost cause. Why waste energy? The EU is just as bad. Even b. doesn’t seem to notice that covid is providing the mechanism for the “great reset” and will be the NWO Posted by: gepay | Dec 25 2020 3:33 utc | 37
Noone got played. The only thing Trump played is f*ckng GOLF all day. Posted by: Circe | Dec 25 2020 6:16 utc | 38 Not only has Trump made fools of both Pelosi and McConnell but he could have some more tricks yet to play. Monday is the next tricky day for the law makers. Katie Halper and David Dayen discuss and the terrain and tactics are set out by David. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 25 2020 11:04 utc | 39 Posted by: oglalla | Dec 25 2020 1:24 utc | 35 Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 25 2020 11:55 utc | 40 @Maracatu #1 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:05 utc | 41 @gm #11 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:12 utc | 42 @vk #13 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:23 utc | 43 now circe wants to claim biden has no influence on negotiations. why, he’s just a disinterested bystander right circe? on putin’s payroll, jesus. standard right wing democrat bs. Posted by: pretzelattack | Dec 25 2020 12:33 utc | 44 @blues #15 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:36 utc | 45 @steven t johnson #26 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:39 utc | 46 @NemesisCalling #37 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:53 utc | 47 @pretzelattack #45 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 13:01 utc | 48 @40 Uncle Tungstenovich Posted by: Circe | Dec 25 2020 13:34 utc | 49 b was wrong when he predicted Dems wouldn’t take the House in 2018; Posted by: Circe | Dec 25 2020 13:57 utc | 50 @ Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:23 utc | 44 Looks like I was right (see “joke of the week”):
The goal of the bill, therefore, was to protect the project, not take it away from China. The funds already are available, they just need to finish constructing it. so b WAS wrong and Britain got pretty much everything they wanted out of EU and they regain their sovereignty back. B was wrong as usual. FUCK the EU. Posted by: Hoyeru | Dec 25 2020 14:38 utc | 54 @c1ue | Dec 25 2020 12:12 utc | 43 Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 15:10 utc | 55 Tsirtsyeya, that’s your nick transliterated from Russian, a lot easier to figure out how to pronounce than Circe. You should call tovarisch T. Mister Wolfram, hard as a rock but not as much as depleted uranium, tons of the stuff dropped in Irak, Yugoslavia and other places by your beloved Dims, and the rest sold by the Queen of Chaos, La Hilaria, to the Russians¡¡¡ for cheap. That frustrated harpy that could not get over the big horns that degenerated Billy put on her, boy, thirst for power or what, to live with a debauched of that caliber swallowing toads for breakfast lunch, dinner and midnight buffet. Posted by: Paco | Dec 25 2020 15:20 utc | 56 @55 Hoyeru Posted by: Circe | Dec 25 2020 15:21 utc | 57 Sinovac’s COVID-19 vaccine shows 91.25% efficacy in Turkey trials One more thing my dear Tsirtsyeya, happy holidays, may the coming year be bountiful and free of bugs, of the garden, cell and computer kind. Posted by: Paco | Dec 25 2020 15:49 utc | 59 – uncle tungsten | Dec 25 2020 11:04 utc | 40 Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 15:51 utc | 60 India admits liberal democracy an inferior system to socialism, will never catch up with China; will start to play dirty to win: @tungsten @Circe @Paco Posted by: Lemming | Dec 25 2020 17:08 utc | 62 @48 c1ue Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 25 2020 17:19 utc | 63 Posted by: Circe | Dec 25 2020 15:21 utc | 58
Interesting. Is that an English idiom? We have the same expression in Serbo-Croatian, čir na dupetu. Posted by: hopehely | Dec 25 2020 17:51 utc | 64 @Circe #50 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 17:52 utc | 65 @vk #52 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 17:55 utc | 66 @vk #52 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 18:02 utc | 67 @gm #56 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 18:04 utc | 68 I second c1ue’s recommendation @69. Also good, though much shorter, is Hudson’s “Finance as Warfare.” Posted by: spudski | Dec 25 2020 18:10 utc | 69 I get a kick out of how people think they are complimenting or defending Hudson by asserting that he is not a Marxist. It is kinda like thinking one is defending a biologist by saying they are not a Darwinist. Weird. Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 25 2020 18:17 utc | 70 @NemesisCalling #64 Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 18:21 utc | 71 “I get a kick out of how people think they are complimenting or defending Hudson by asserting that he is not a Marxist. It is kinda like thinking one is defending a biologist by saying they are not a Darwinist. Weird.” Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 18:31 utc | 72 Posted by: Lemming | Dec 25 2020 17:08 utc | 63
They eat too much freedom fries, that screws up their brain chemistry. Posted by: hopehely | Dec 25 2020 18:33 utc | 73 Scary stuff happening in Nashville TN right now. Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 19:40 utc | 74 Posted by: vk | Dec 25 2020 14:12 utc | 52 Posted by: Observer | Dec 25 2020 19:50 utc | 75 “”I get a kick out of how people think they are complimenting or defending Hudson by asserting that he is not a Marxist. It is kinda like thinking one is defending a biologist by saying they are not a Darwinist. Weird.” William Gruff@71 Posted by: bevin | Dec 25 2020 20:03 utc | 76 Medicare for all – for Congress that is! Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 25 2020 20:27 utc | 77 bevin #77
Nicely expressed, and Marx did it all with the best intentions toward the common folk and working class. He was a humanist too. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 25 2020 20:36 utc | 78 The incident in Nashville on xmas morning amerikan time really underlines the thesis put forward by Jacobin editor Seth Ackerman, in an article entitle “Failure is an Option” that not only is amerika a failed state, it was designed by its ‘constitutional framers’ to become one.
Ackerman goes on to point out using examples of how deliberate, extreme and unusual this is that right from the get go amerikan administration has been fragmented vertically and horizontally to ensure that no matter how ‘the people’ may decide they want their government to act, any uniform action which could impact on the designated ruling elite is simply impossible. Posted by: Debsisdead | Dec 25 2020 21:01 utc | 79 MSM Video footage of the scene shows dark smoke rising right next to a high-rise office-type building with a big ‘AT&T’ logo sign on the top. Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 21:35 utc | 80 “AT&T outage reported: Planes grounded, 911 disrupted in wake of Nashville explosion. See the outage map” Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 21:39 utc | 81 Posted by: NemesisCalling | Dec 25 2020 17:19 utc | 64 Posted by: Ruben | Dec 25 2020 21:55 utc | 82 Uncle T.
We’ll see what Trumplicans and McConnell do with that! Posted by: Circe | Dec 25 2020 22:04 utc | 83 @ Posted by: Observer | Dec 25 2020 19:50 utc | 76 The Nashville AT&T Building (aka the Batman Building) at 33 stories, is the tallest building in stat of Tennessee. Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 22:09 utc | 85 Err…MTL purchased the building in 2007, acccording to Wiki. Posted by: gm | Dec 25 2020 22:11 utc | 86 @ Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 18:02 utc | 68 @ Posted by: c1ue | Dec 25 2020 17:55 utc | 67 Fake news: In addition to my 84, b’s recent article on Biden was also a bunch of bunk!
Quote from CNET. Tried posting link with html; didn’t work. Don’t get why. Won’t post it without html so as not to mess up thread. Posted by: Circe | Dec 25 2020 22:52 utc | 90 I know all barflies love polls. Here’s one from China, a place we don’t get to see polling results from often. I thought the report very clear as were the questions. My only beef with the sample is it being 100% urban. @ 56 gm and @ 69 c1ue and for others… Super Imperialism .. this link is a free pdf of the book… cheers.. Posted by: james | Dec 26 2020 0:18 utc | 92 @ Posted by: james | Dec 26 2020 0:18 utc | 93 Posted by: suzan | Dec 26 2020 0:28 utc | 93 @ suzan… thanks… yes, i see the link doesn’t work that i left, but perhaps it has to do with i have uploaded it already, whereas others haven’t yet… your link is helpful! Posted by: james | Dec 26 2020 0:54 utc | 94 gm @73: Re: Marxism “I guess it mostly boils down to where you get your programming from.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 26 2020 0:55 utc | 95 U are a monkey, u see u do. There is nothing new under the sun, the Jesus, christos, that is the truth. Posted by: humperdink | Dec 26 2020 1:52 utc | 97 no economist scientist mathematician or politician or any other fucking clown that has spent years studying how we are will ever solve our problem. It is inevitable that I am that I am. Amen. Posted by: humperdink | Dec 26 2020 1:57 utc | 98 As usual, c1ue is shamelessly incompetent, responding to my @26 with mindless abuse. vk is a regular so @44 c1ue tries to pretend to argue. Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 26 2020 2:09 utc | 99 @ Posted by: steven t johnson | Dec 26 2020 2:09 utc | 102 Posted by: suzan | Dec 26 2020 2:43 utc | 100 |
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