New Documents Show How The British Government Secretly Created 'Regime Change' Protests In Lebanon
Three month ago we reported on documents obtained from of 'Her Majesties Government' in Britain which revealed the intense involvement of the UK government in organizing, financing and propagandizing 'Syrian rebels' since the start of the war on Syria. These programs were coordinated with the CIA's and the Gulf Arab's arming of the various Jihadis:
Most of the documents are detailed company responses to several solicitations from the Foreign Office for global and local campaigns in support of the 'moderate rebels' who are fighting against the Syrian government and people.The documents lay out large scale campaigns which have on-the-ground elements in Syria, training and arming efforts in neighboring countries, command and control elements in Jordan, Turkey and Iraq, as well as global propaganda efforts. These operations were wide spread.
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Most of the documents are from 2016 to 2019. They detail the organization of such operations and also portray persons involved in these projects. They often refer back to previous campaigns that have been run from 2011/2012 onward. This is where the documents are probably the most interesting. They reveal what an immense effort was and is waged to fill the information space with pro-rebel/pro-Islamist propaganda.
For any informed person who had watched the development of the war on Syria it was no surprise that such programs existed. But the immense extend of these was really astonishing. Consider what ARK, one of the involved companies run by 'former' British spies, organized as part of a British government 'Strategic Communication' program:
ARK,as a company that has specialised in Syria programming for more than three years, has access to a wide-range of networks in Syria. ARK has trained over 1,400 beneficiaries representing over 210 beneficiary organisations in more than 130 workshops, and disbursed more than 53,000 individual pieces of equipment. This network reaches into all of Syria’s 14 governorates (see map below), including liberated, regime-and extremist-controlled areas, and ranges from the most senior Syrian opposition politicians, to armed groups, civil society organisations and ordinary Syrians. This includes but is not limited to:
- 61 stringers; 17 teams of distributors;
- 14 FM radio stations; 11 community magazines; two local TV stations;
- 17 Civil Defence teams in Aleppo; 16 in Idlib;
- 58 police stations in Aleppo; 32 in Idlib; eight in Latakia;
- 10 Syrian field researchers; 60 Syrian researchers who can conduct broad-based population surveys (a survey study in May 2014 reached 1,300 individuals); a focus group database of over 800 individuals; Dozens of Local Councils; judicial courts; documentation centres; and
- A variety of other organisations.
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Keep in mind that these were not social programs for the benefit of Syrians but part of a number of clandestine support measure for a violent international Jihadi movement organized to overthrow the Syrian government.
While such a program may be rationalized as part of a war it is astonishing to find that very similar measures are also used against 'friendly' governments.
New documents obtained from the British government and published here and here (complete download here also by right-click "Save link as ..." here) reveal an intense British 'Strategic Communications' program that is directed against the government of Lebanon.
Those who obtained the files, they use the 'Anonymous' label, introduce the new cache:
Let's begin.How to push people to overthrow their government if they are basically content with its work? Well, your first step is to hire experienced specialists who know how to interfere in internal affairs of other countries and overthrow governments. Which of the British intelligence cutouts created networks of independent journalists, established independent CSOs and used black propaganda to simulate chemical attacks and pave the way for launching missile strikes against an unsuitable country? You've got it right. It's ARK.
On behalf of The Embassy of the United Kingdom in Lebanon in March 2019 ARK updated its 2016 Target Audience Analysis on Understanding the Communications Landscape in Lebanon.
We suggest you closely examine the file as Target Audience Analysis is only its title, while its content is nothing but a manual on nonviolent overthrow of a government in a sovereign state. And the FCO used it as its road map.
ARK's Target Audience Analyses investigated which parts of the Lebanese population could be most easily incited into a revolt against the Lebanese government:
This analysis defined the segment of the population, a Potential Target Audience (PTA), that saw the greatest potential for reform, or to affect positive social change through their own actions. Of all Lebanese, this segment was amongst the most likely to engage if positive forms of civic action, if given the opportunity to do so.
The ARK paper also analyses the 'potential messages' which 'Strategic Communication' could use to incite the target group.
The result of the quite sophisticated analysis points to people who are Christian and Shia, moderately well of, about 30 years of age as the 'Target Audience' which 'Strategic Communication' could push into action by emphasizing their specific grievances, for example lack of jobs, that the group has. It estimates that the thus defined Target Audience includes some 12% of Lebanon's population.
ARK recommended that a British 'Strategic Communication' program to incite a revolt in Lebanon should be kept secret because the Lebanese people hate foreign interference in their affairs.
The British government took up the advice:
Right after ARK prepared the TAA in March 2019, the British Embassy Beirut held a private Stakeholder Event on 11 April 2019. It was dedicated to Lebanon Political Reform Programme.
A presentation from the event explains in very nice language that the British government's objective is "to improve political and economic governance" in Lebanon. It wanted to do this by secretly inciting the 'Target Audience' ARK had defined to protest against the government of Lebanon.
Three projects for 'political reform' were defined: - Female Political Participation; - Strengthening Democratic Mechanisms for Reform, Accountability and Dialogue; - Youth Political Engagement.
The British government then invited certain private companies to make bids for executing these 'Strategic Communication' projects. The Foreign Office formally did this by issuing an 'Expression of Interests' which included a 'Statement of Requirements.' The companies were to deliver detailed offers by early May 2019 and the contracts awards were to come into effect in July 2019. They would run for 21 month. Each project had a defined maximum budget. The Female Political Participation project would for example have a maximum of 1.2 million British Pounds to waste.
ARK made an offer to execute the youth project as did International Alert in cooperation with Westminster Foundation for Democracy. WYG, a company that supposedly does 'infrastructure development' also made on offer.
ARK and the British Council made an offer on the women engagement project that intends to nurture future female politicians in Lebanon (who will then be under British control).
The offers all include detailed descriptions how the planned projects will be executed. These interesting lectures in social manipulation techniques are available here and here.
Another 'Statement of Requirements' by the British government is for a program titled 'Fostering Social Stability through Strategic Communications'. Its objective is to prevent Syrian refugees in Lebanon from returning home by minimizing the conflicts between the refugees and the local population in Lebanon.
The foreseen tasks include the "selection and day to day management of social media champions" who produce and amplify propaganda content. The contract is again for 21 month and has a maximum value of £2.1 million.
ARK makes a bid on that which reveals that the company had received more than £25 million over the previous years for 'Strategic Communication' black propaganda projects in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq.
Another program is for 'Strategic Communication' activities against Palestinians in Lebanon. Several companies outline in their bids how they would run these projects.
Consider that none of these manipulation programs and project are run under the label of the British government. They are secret. There is no public reporting about them.
But the projects can, at least in part, be seen by their effects:
The 2019–20 Lebanese protests, also known locally as the October Revolution are a series of civil protests that have been taking place in Lebanon. These national protests were triggered by planned taxes on gasoline, tobacco, and VoIP calls on applications such as WhatsApp, but quickly expanding into a country-wide condemnation of sectarian rule, stagnant economy, unemployment that reached 46% in 2018, endemic corruption in the public sector, legislation that was perceived to shield the ruling class from accountability (such as banking secrecy) and failures of the government to provide basic services such as electricity, water, and sanitation.The protests created a political crisis in Lebanon, with Prime Minister Saad Hariri tendering his resignation and echoing protesters' demands for a government of independent specialists. However, other politicians, who were targeted by the protests, remained in power.
The people in those protests were those defined in the ARK 'Target Analysis'. The messages were exactly those which the various documents and company offers discussed above had planned to use.
It was the British government and the companies run by 'former' spies on Foreign Office money who incited those people to 'regime change' Lebanon.
Some people in Lebanon recognized the protests for what they were. In October 2019 Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah commented on the protests and told his followers not to take part in them:
We will talk about to the objectivity of the current movement. On Saturday, I said that this movement could be used as a basis. I would like to modify that. What started out as a popular, spontaneous, non-partisan movement made up of hardworking poor people and that was not exploited by embassies, is to a great percentage not like that anymore. I am not saying 100%. Today this movement with its daily activities, slogans and positions is no longer a popular and spontaneous movement. Let the young people who are going to the squares and arenas and taking part in the protests. I do not want to ask anything from them. As for the supporters of the resistance, I will talk to them in the end.Today the movement is led by certain well-known parties, and I do not want to name them. The movement is being led by well-known political forces, different and well-known groups and figures. There are also certain people and institutions leading it. I will talk about this point in details in a bit. There is management, coordination and funding. No one should pretend that there is no funding. ...
So, go tell the people clearly that we have a funder X from country X or from embassy X or this rich person X or this institution X to see whether these people and embassies of countries who are spending money care for the interests of the Lebanese people.
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I want to warn. This happened in other countries. God willing, this is not being planned for in Lebanon. At the very least, I would like to tell the people to be aware that it might be a possibility. I think it's more than a possibility. I think now it's a lot more than a possibility. Don't believe what the embassies say. Today the American ambassador and the embassies say no, we don't want the overthrow of the government or for it to resign. What they say is not important. What they do is what is important. It is not important what they promise. What is important is what the CIA and the intelligence agencies are doing.
Nasrallah should rethink how the protests really started out.
As for the CIA - we do not know what it did in those protests. But we do know that the CIA had outsourced the propaganda groundwork in Syria to the Brits and their shady 'Strategic Communication' companies.
It is quite possible that it has done the same in Lebanon.
Posted by b on December 12, 2020 at 18:02 UTC | Permalink
thanks b! informative... this ARK is not noahs or boris's... who is behind this grand scheme?? it seems the idea of keeping lebannon and syria in a state of tension is the goal.. whose purpose does this serve? it seems like an agenda written in tel aviv, or is it washington?? who is behind all this?? it seems clear enough that the goal is to coddle israel... take this money and make sure israel continues to dominate in the middle east and all other countries are destabilized basket cases... these are sick people behind all this.. that much is very clear... who would spend money like this??
the really shocking thing is the UK gov't is in on it, but don't want it to appear this way.. the people in the UK sure are a weird lot.. i think they are weirder then the people in the USA!
Posted by: james | Dec 12 2020 19:01 utc | 2
First thing to do when 'unrest rears its ugly head' is shut down external communications and kick out any of the Five Eyes operating an emmbasy in your country. It happnens so often. Kick Out the Five Eyes (I live in one of them). Media Communications (the industry I work in) is the publicly acceptable term for Information Program, Propaganda, Information Warfare. It's all the same thing, with Event Management being the sister of and information program.
I've worked in both areas; external media communications programs and event coordination and management, often dovetailing the two and switching between roles in order to 'maximise stakeholder value' for the benefit of the client. Who is the client..? If the client isn't obvious then Follow the money. It is always the person paying the bill. Follow the money people... follow the money and you will understand the objectives of even the most obtuse communications programs.
As an aside, with all the hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons being pumped into the MENA, 'no one in Government' is able to 'shut down the wars. It's a joke, Government can track your spending down to the last cent and hit you up with a fine for 'incorrect tax return' but they 'can't follow the hundreds of billions of dollars' in weapons that gets flown around the world. Follow the money people. Follow the money and you'll catch the culprit.
Posted by: Trauma2000 | Dec 12 2020 19:09 utc | 3
To think that the British government spent so much money over the years outsourcing and contracting out its regime-change work to greedy private organisations and thinktanks that produce cliche-ridden shiny PR brochures, run the same old, same old workshops and aim at the usual, arbitrarily defined, target groups (women, upwardly mobile middle class youth) - and for all that investment, what have been the results? Bashar al Assad is still President of Syria and still seems quite a popular leader among all levels of society.
The huge scale of investment and waste in companies peddling shallow marketing strategies would be laughable, fit for a situation comedy TV series (anyone remember what that is?) if it weren't true.
Posted by: Jen | Dec 12 2020 19:16 utc | 4
The West has been accused of organizing "color revolution" protests around the world but now we have an actual blueprint. The military coup in Egypt was mostly accomplished using such techniques, which in turn were developed during the American occupation of Iraq. This came up during an interview on Democracy Now about Cambridge Analytica.
Posted by: Edward | Dec 12 2020 19:16 utc | 5
James @ 2:
ARK (Analysis Research Knowledge) has a website and its founder, former British diplomat Alistair Harris has a LinkedIn account you can look up on Google or whatever search engine you normally use. The company is based in Dubai.
Among ARK's various activities in Syria was managing the Facebook page and probably other PR for the White Helmets. The propaganda surrounding Bana Alabed and other Syrian children seems to be of a type similar to White Helmets propaganda - designed to appeal to people's emotions, particularly women's emotions - so there is a possibility all this rubbish was being generated by the same organisation.
In the end the target audience for all this propaganda is us, as our support is needed to justify an eventual US or NATO invasion of Syria and Lebanon.
Posted by: Jen | Dec 12 2020 19:33 utc | 6
I am pleased to see Perfidious Albion exposed again. The UKi government has been at this pernicious caper forever. Just imagine what it has meant in terms of arrested development, nation wide sabotage of social and political engagement. And this UKi goverment writes about the unfortunate failed state of Lebanon, or Yemen, or Africa!
The proof of UKi embassy being brazenly engaged in the entire caper is enough for the Lebanese government to demand its closure.
Workers and citizens of the world be aware that the first step in saving your country is to close the embassies of all enemy states. Then there are the stenographers for the msm that were exposed through the hacking of the Integrity Initiative reports.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 12 2020 19:38 utc | 7
Overthrowing Harari was very convenient wasn't it?
Only months later, the Beirut Port explosion would then cause outrage that all but removed Hezbollah as a governing force in Lebanon ... and ultimately returned Harari to power.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 12 2020 20:12 utc | 8
Revealing here is how much they focus on the middle class.
The middle class arose in capitalism during the apex of colonialism, during the 19th and mid-20th centuries. They were originally the middlemen between the global capitalists (usually, but not only, from the metropolises) and the colonies, which means they included not only the direct bureaucrats and administrators of the colonies, but also the highly-specialized scientific workers required to optimize and strengthen the colonial governments with an aim to maximum profit extraction.
This middle class has many interesting characteristics:
1) they are an accident of capitalism. Capitalism doesn't need it to exist, but it was born from the cracks of the system, because of its geographically uneven development and distribution; they are, therefore, a deject of capitalism;
2) they are global by nature. Middle class members see themselves as some sort of global civilizing force, a transcendental force destined to make humanity better. But not make it better through economic change, but through moral and cultural change. The middle class, therefore, is from the beginning a cultural-political-ideological phenomenon as a class; members of the middle class of, say, Lebanon, see themselves as from the same sort of the middle class of England; members of the Brazilian middle class see themselves more at home in Florida;
3) they can't control their own destiny. By that it means the middle class is always destined to fail, as it is neither the dominant class nor the revolutionary class. When times for capitalism are good, the middle class strengthens and is a progressive force; when times for capitalism are bad, they are the reactionary (and often genocidal) force par excellence;
4) as a result, they are a class that is always living in fear. When they're safe, they constantly fear their bosses (the capitalist class), always thinking about how to make them happy and satisfied (so they aren't squashed like the insects they really are). When they're not safe, they're constantly in fear of a revolution from below (from the working classes), of losing the little private property they have (usually, their homes and their small businesses). They are a pathetic bunch by design, the most hysterical and bipolar of all classes.
In dangerous times for capitalism, it is smart by the part of the capitalists to bet on the middle classes to serve as the battering ram of the counter-revolution. 12% seems little, but the USA manual for Unconventional Warfare (UW), from 2010, states that, if 80% of the total populations stays "neutral" (or apathetic), then 10% is enough to do a regime change.
The British seem to be doing their homework.
Pointing out the obvious here, but isn't this exactly what is going down in front of our eyes in the USA? There the target audiences are women, minorities (primarily black), the unemployed and LGBT. Throughout and everywhere the object is to make a county ungovernable. Well?
Posted by: Hal Duell | Dec 12 2020 21:09 utc | 10
b writes
"Keep in mind that these were not social programs for the benefit of Syrians but part of a number of clandestine support measure for a violent international Jihadi movement organized to overthrow the Syrian government.
While such a program may be rationalized as part of a war it is astonishing to find that very similar measures are also used against 'friendly' governments."
Those Nazis convicted of Wars of aggression at the Nuremberg trials 1945-49 ended up swinging at the end of some stout hemp, at least those that were thin enough to fit through the trap door. Modern day Nazi's, NATO and friends need to be constantly exposed as the successor to Nazi Germany, an almost impossible task what with the self censorship of the MSM and the direct attack by social media conglomerates on the independent media. Expect more attacks on those countries who stand up to Zionist aggression for the foreseeable future, until Zionism collapses. At that point Zionism's enablers should become more concerned with saving their own necks due to a massive financial collapse. It's coming soon to a western Despot near you!
Posted by: Tom | Dec 12 2020 21:12 utc | 11
Looks like we have an excellent set of questions brought forth for Biden's SecDef nominee to answer as he was most likely involved in not only training terrorists but also further aiding the rise of Daesh in Iraq so it could undermine Syria then do the same to Iraq such that Iraq's forced to allow the Outlaw US Empire to reinvade. Indeed, he's likely bloodier than any other proposed candidate for the job.
And this also exposes what the Tories were up to as they keep Assange in prison for exposing the same sorts of crimes. The clear question becomes yet again after such exposures: How do we make these criminal governments and their ministers pay for their crimes for they differ none from Hitler in 1938? Put the Queen and her Tory allies in front of a firing squad and see if that changes the UK's behavior.
"...for all that investment, what have been the results?" Jen@4
Lots of jobs, many of them overseas, for the latest iteration of a British class that used to run the Empire and cannot conceive of working honestly for its living.
And where does the money come from?
Most of it from the increasingly regressive taxes levied upon the poor and the working class-the many. Taxes which, again increasingly, are used to fund debt owned by the very class that used to run the Empire in a scam which is entirely circular, very long established and turns the people into a herd milked 24/7. Small wonder that occasionally, its calloused udders sore from ill treatment, members of the herd turn their eyes longingly on people like the Syrians and Lebanese, in the vain and discredited hope that if the ruling class get to exploit the Levant they might relax their rule at home a little.
Its a hope that nobody with the least knowledge of history could entertain: when Britannia ruled the waves and most of the beaches they lapped the British people-the many- were worse off than they had ever been.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 12 2020 21:40 utc | 13
Destabilising Lebanon is an obvious activity for those who want to be rid of Hizbullah and its weaponry which pose an existential threat to Israel. It is not only Britain trying to do the same thing. Not much success, though. Lebanon is in economic collapse, but I haven't heard that Hizbullah have had a problem. Their economic base is agricultural, and not likely to suffer.
Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 12 2020 22:20 utc | 14
The most unfortunate aspect of these large scale disruption and regime change operations exploit actual grievances and truly indigenous civil society reform movements, thereby compromising even the most authentic efforts by the people. Not only that but this casts serious doubt on both authenticity and goals of all kind of demonstrations and civil unrest, even in more developed countries, including ostensibly First World.
Take the HK demonstrations for example - how much of it was real, genuine unrest caused by this or that more heavy handed China policy? truth is we don't know because by definition, the exploitation of such protest movements - almost always led by supposedly disaffected youth - includes a very sophisticated propaganda handbook that seeks to effectively "erase" the controlling hands behind the scenes.
Or, even the BLM movement - a lot that happened with these protests seem to jive with the instruction manuals per the ARK. Notice how these could be turned on and off - in this or that city, made to appear organic, when in fact those invisible hands from behind directed much of the action.
Another aspect that is very noticeable for both the HK and BLM movements is the way they were directed at some very specific issue that most people would have a hard time disagreeing with - on its face. Be it political "freedom", new "rules", new "taxes" and/or police brutality - there are numerous commonalities - too many to dismiss as mere coincidences.
At the same time, much care seems to have been taken to not allow these protests to be directed at the actual ruling class, the 1%, the elites, big finance and the corporatocracy. I always thought it was kind of funny the way these BLM protesters somehow were not there when Bernie sanders ran his campaign, even though Bernie had their grievances near the top of his list on the official platform (police brutality, uneven criminal justice system and prison reform were huge issues for him). Yes, there were plenty of black youths who voted with the Sanders movement in the primary (the one that was basically a fraudulent one, due to outright vote flipping, as was exposed by several credible analysts). But the BLM protests only came into being following the one GF killing and were directed mostly against police in large cities, and, of course against anything the federal government could try and do.
Now that Biden is all but declared as 'elect", those protests have died down (except for a few flare-up points like Portland, where they seem to have taken permanent residence). Funny that....must be that the "defund the police" was successful and black people no longer suffer from unequal law enforcement.....so all is well now.....
Posted by: Merlin2 | Dec 12 2020 22:35 utc | 15
As a postscript, while the peaceful, political side of the 1989 Tiananmen Square demonstrations was handled by the US (and funded by George Soros' Fund for the Reform and Opening of China), Britain's MI6 handled 'muscle' side: the burning of vehicles and killing of unarmed cops in Chang'An Avenue.
The leader of that riot, student Vice-President Wang Yam, was subsequently exfiltrated through Hong Kong and given British citizenship.
In 2006, for the first time in modern British history Wang was tried in camera and found guilty of bludgeoning an elderly man to death in order to rob him.
The Crown Prosecutor banned all media coverage and even speculation about the case but MI6, Britain’s intelligence agency, later admitted he was their agent.
Nice people, the British.
Posted by: Godfree Roberts | Dec 12 2020 22:41 utc | 16
Hal Duell # 10
Pointing out the obvious here, but isn't this exactly what is going down in front of our eyes in the USA? There the target audiences are women, minorities (primarily black), the unemployed and LGBT. Throughout and everywhere the object is to make a county ungovernable. Well?
Thank you and YES that is exactly what is going on and they are busy salami slicing the definitions of LGBTQ etc etc so there is this interminable and idiotic redefinition cycle that distracts, occupies inventive minds, disables the drive to get out and focus on the primary disabler: Global private financial capitalism.
Some are organising and striking back. Have you closed any embassies/trade missions in your state yet?
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 12 2020 22:43 utc | 17
karlof1 #12
YES I'd like to see that. There would be no shortage of volunteers for that last step.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 12 2020 22:46 utc | 18
Sometimes I thought something like this happened in Libya. Libyan army cleared this town, that city, next town, moving east to west, then just before Benghazi, we get our consent manufacturing message that Gaddafi said there would be a slaughter in Benghazi. So NATO just had to attack, to save Benghazi.
After Libya was smashed, turns out a whole gang of British "diplomats & SAS" were in Benghazi.
Posted by: david | Dec 12 2020 23:29 utc | 19
The people behind such vile schemes to turn people against each other are pure evil. The British as well have been up to their dirty tricks in the US for two hundred years, right up to the Russophobia campaign since 2015.
They can't resist turning the screws on poor Lebanon. Hasn't Lebanon suffered enough?
I can't resist hoping that the UK sinks into the Atlantic to spare the rest of the world.
Posted by: AriusArmenian | Dec 13 2020 1:27 utc | 20
The assault on Hezbollah continues apace:
Friday's decision to sentence Hezbollah man for the 2005 Hariri bombing:
And just a day before a decision to target the Lebanese PM among those responsible for the Beirut blast:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 1:49 utc | 21
Posted by: Laguerre | Dec 12 2020 22:20 utc | 14
Destabilising Lebanon is an obvious activity for those who want to be rid of Hizbullah .... Their economic base is agricultural, and not likely to suffer.
It's only a matter of time before they smarten up and start attacking the agricultural basis of Hezbollah's economic support.
Watch the news for agriculture-related shenanigans by the West in Lebanon ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 1:53 utc | 22
Facebook was a hub for Syria centered Jihadi recruitment and Zuckerberg didn't give a pip. In 2012 he married Priscilla Chan. Ever since the couple is pro CCP China too, although Facebook was banned there since 2009, only Hong Kong was open.
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 13 2020 1:58 utc | 23
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 13 2020 1:58 utc | 22
Ever since the couple is pro CCP China too, although Facebook was banned there since 2009, only Hong Kong was open.
What, firstly, is the problem with that (assuming it's true)? Secondly, how exactly does one demonstrate being 'pro CCP' while being an economic refugee in Singapore?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 2:03 utc | 24
Facebook was vehemently anti Trump and pro Biden; the CA Bay area software giants con-sensus is not enough to explain this pro CCP support.
Ask "the Big Guy" about his and Hunter's CCP assisted profits.
What is the problem? The problem is that you think the CCP is a benefit to humanity; others were bedazzled similarly in the 1930's by the NAZI party with its Autobahns and Volkswagen & "order". Both parties were supported by a section US Big Business for their global personal profits.
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 13 2020 2:29 utc | 25
This is theft. seen this way changes how it can be approached imo. Better call Saul
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 13 2020 3:19 utc | 26
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 13 2020 2:29 utc | 24
Facebook was vehemently anti Trump and pro Biden; the CA Bay area software giants con-sensus is not enough to explain this pro CCP support.
So, in other words, vehemently pro one washed out old white establishment sockpuppet and anti another old white establishment sockpuppet?
Ask "the Big Guy" about his and Hunter's CCP assisted profits.
If you think Hunter and Joe are the only two white American aristocrats who have profited from the CCP, you've been well deceived, friend: almost a third the wealth of the US generated since Nixon went to China in the 1970s has been 'CCP assisted profits'.
Take a read through the fortune 500 and think on how many of those have been manufacturing and profiting from sweet deals with the CCP. Have a word with Tim Cook of Apple, Cisco's, Microsoft's legions of CCP-affiliated Chinese coders hammering away at the internals of MS Windows and IOS. You might also want to have a word with the heads of all major American motor manufacturers about their 'CCP run' operations.
CCP assisted profits? Don't make me laugh.
We haven't yet got to the 'Saudi Head-chopper assisted profits' of the other half of the US economy. Between these two it's hard to see what kind of moral high ground you're preaching from.
The problem is that you think the CCP is a benefit to humanity;
The facts state that the CCP are a benefit to humanity on balance, compared to whoever else you choose to compare them against.
I will quote from a China-skeptic source who would be inclined to downplay the CCP's contributions to humanity:
https://chinapower.csis.org/poverty/#charting-progress-on-poverty-alleviation
China’s transformation from an agrarian society into the world’s second-largest economy has lifted hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty. As part of broader plans to transform China into a “moderately prosperous” society, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) set an unprecedented goal to eradicate poverty in China by the end of 2020. While Chinese President Xi Jinping officially declared a “major victory” over poverty in December 2020, hundreds of millions of people in China continue to struggle with low incomes and poor standards of living.Poverty alleviation has long been a top priority and central source of legitimacy for the CCP. Under Xi Jinping, the Party has pursued an unprecedented goal of completely ending extreme poverty by the end of 2020. China is set to reach its goals, but questions remain about the sustainability of government measures.
China’s success at alleviating poverty is largely the result of decades of rapid economic growth. Over the last two decades alone, China’s Gross National Income (GNI) per capita grew more than ten-fold from just $940 in 2000 to $10,410 in 2019.2 This is twice the rate of increase achieved by Russia, the second-fastest growing BRICS economy.
China being the "world's factory" has resulted in modern household conveniences, tools, products being made available cheaply to the global poor, improving the quality of life for hundreds of millions. If it had been left to Europe and America to be the suppliers of these items the poor would have no such access to the tools and the means for improving the quality of their lives.
Yes. China, in fact the CCP has made an historic impact on the quality of human life in the 20th century - not only Chinese lives but speak to any of the millions of Africans who makes a living by buying wholesale Chinese products to sell to rural Africans who would never be able to afford an American or European version of the same thing.
The humans in Africa can explain to you exactly what contributions the CCP has made to humanity (as opposed to 400 years of European colonialism):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5uzxV8ub9k&t=2943s
(Gyude Moore: “China in Africa: An African Perspective”)
others were bedazzled similarly in the 1930's by the NAZI party
Ah. The obligatory 'Nazi Party' comparison shoved into every ill-conceived attempt to demonise .
You could as well compare Nazi Germany with the post-WW2 USA. Wasn't it the USA who inherited their modern technological base from rescued Nazi war criminals?
So, being "bedazzled" by China's evident contributions to humanity is like being bedazzled by the NAZIs but. how about being "bedazzled" by American progress? British (Imperial) progress? Would you apply the same comparison?
By the way, you still haven't shown any logical connection from Zuckerberg and his wife to being pro-CCP (not that it matters!).
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 3:58 utc | 27
Normal Chinese progress is fine: world de-industrialization due to Chinese state monopolistic practices like price dumping is not. As wrong as Britain de-industrializing its colonies when it still had them and the US financially and politically capitalizing on two hot World Wars.
Why was NAZI Germany's annexation of border regions wrong and CCP China doing the same ok?
Do you really believe that only the CCP top is above human greed and power lust?
Zuckerberg's wife grew up speaking Cantonese; Facebook is censoring pro-China, as do Twitter and Google its CA software buddies. Microsoft is still selling well in China as does Apple - for how long? Rational hardware is fleeing suicidal CA: both HP and Tesla are moving their HQs (to Texas) we type. Intel next?
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 13 2020 5:02 utc | 28
Antonym, the Communist Party of China has been having the biggest party on earth since Nixon and Kissinger caved in to the Chinese Communist Party suggestion of normalising things a little and opening up the economy a little. Hook, line and sinker the cabal of Wall Street/Nixon/Kissinger was swallowed up. But not the banks. The banks were told to wait a while as the industrial handover was undertaken. Gently gently catchee monky was the strategy on both sides it seems -but not the US banks as they had to wait awhile. Then the Chinese Communist Party was building capital and jobs and industry at a frenzied pace and the Chinese Communist Party was funding it with local taxes, US$$ earned from exports and - not loans from the US banks.
That is how it went Antonym. It was a give away. The Chinese Communist Party was not about to let the scabrous US banking system get their stinking claws into it. They knew about the banks. Meanwhile the USA had a marriage between Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan and they gave away its courts and political parties to the banks+ the energy industry+ the wealthy FIRE team (finance, insurance, real estate). The banks had the USAi by the short and curleys and they have not stopped twisting the threads since.
Meanwhile back at the Chinese Communist Party they invited all their citizens to join with them on a journey to a better future to eradicate poverty, achieve a comfortable lifestyle and a a global economic reach free from global private finance debt and endless societal crippling.
That is what capitalism promised and would never deliver yet that is what the Chinese Communist Party and its collective economic model DELIVERS. Every day of the week. Sure it not be ideal but there is extraordinary social bonding and progress and Zuckerberg and his missus are irrelevant. You could start by taxing that grub within an inch of his life - tax every dollar in and every dollar spent and then invest it in education or health for the people.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 13 2020 5:27 utc | 29
Antonym 27
Zuckerberg's wife grew up speaking Cantonese
Cantonese is the southern Chinese dialect most Hong Kongers speak.
Posted by: DeQuincey | Dec 13 2020 5:39 utc | 30
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 3:58 utc | 26
Judging by his trolling history, he has so far only proved Indians like him have massive insecurity complexes towards Big Bad China.
Posted by: J W | Dec 13 2020 5:40 utc | 31
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 13 2020 5:02 utc | 27
>Normal Chinese progress is fine:
"Normal Chinese progress" is due to the CCP
>world de-industrialization due to Chinese state monopolistic practices like price dumping is not.
You are actually saying that the CCP is guilty of being far too efficient and effective an engine of Capitalism for your liking.
It's not clear how CCP 'price dumping' or Chinese state monopolies are any worse than the price dumping or state monopolies carried out by The West or any other significant economic power. If this is your metric then singling out China makes no sense. They did not invent these practices and have not dominated them significantly.
Besides - What the CCP does within Chinese borders is their business - why is it an issue outside of China?
>As wrong as Britain de-industrializing its colonies when it still had them and the US financially and politically capitalizing on two hot World Wars.
Wrong. False Moral Equivalence.
The British empire ran a global network of colonies which it de-industrialised to the detriment of it's natives. Millions were murdered for this British privilege.
Likewise, the US aided, engineered and profited from WW2 at the cost of millions of lives. China did no such thing to get where it did.
It is not "as wrong as" it is "much much better than"!
Why was NAZI Germany's annexation of border regions wrong and CCP China doing the same ok?
What has this got to do with anything?
Why are you raising a straw man? Who said that border annexations were ok for anyone let alone the Chinese?
Why are you injecting this into the conversation when it adds nothing to your argument?
You are aware that evey western country has done the same kind of border shuffling for as long as China, right?
So are you arguing that Chinese annexation of border regions is somehow worse than american, candadian, european border annexations? Because if you are, that's false argument!
> Do you really believe that only the CCP top is above human greed and power lust?
Did I say that this was my belief? Why so many straw men in your arguments? Are you capable of any concrete fact based statements?
> Zuckerberg's wife grew up speaking Cantonese;
So what? I suggest you look at the facts:
- Do you know that Priscilla Chan is American and was born in America?
- Do you know that her parents were Vietnamese Chinese who fled Vietnam? How then are you drawing links between her and the CCP? Where is your data and logic?
- Do you know that Cantonese is spoken primarily by Chinese natives of Guanzhou (Canton), particularly Hong Kong - why are you associating this with the CCP?
- Do you know that Mandarin is the offical State language of China? How does this change your attempts to draw links where there are none?
You fail to demonstrate any informational link between Zuckerberg, his wife or the CCP with these spurious assertions.
In fact, it seems the only link you're trying to draw on is the fact that she is ethnically Chinese and therefore somehow affilliated to the CCP.
This is called "Racism" and only Jesus can save you if that's your issue ...
>Facebook is censoring pro-China, as do Twitter and Google its CA software buddies. M
Facebook also censoring content it considers to be pro-China propaganda, so is Google, so is twitter. How does that change your argument? By your logic they are therefore ANTI-CCP, right? Looks like there's a contradiction here ...
Just one of many examples and references to this phenomena:
> Microsoft is still selling well in China as does Apple - for how long?
So America is still profiting from the CCP then?
As for "how long?" - that's until an American companies can mass produce products and services faster and cheaper in the USA than the CCP can. I wouldn't hold my breath for that.
>Rational hardware is fleeing suicidal CA: both HP and Tesla are moving their HQs (to Texas) we type. Intel next??
This is meaningless. They're shuffling their core R&D centers but their key manufacturing and development centers stay in China and India as always.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 5:45 utc | 32
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 5:45 utc | 31
"American companies can mass produce products and services faster and cheaper in the USA than the CCP can. I wouldn't hold my breath for that."
Furgetboutit. It's definitely funny to see a video of US hand-sewing masks in their "factories" while China massive outproducing them in their fully automated lines in March.
And even funnier to see China paying 3x for workers to stay in factories during CNY while Americans are told to go back to work with COVID raging around without any PPE.
Posted by: J W | Dec 13 2020 6:02 utc | 33
karlof1 @ 12
Put the Queen and her Tory allies in front of a firing squad and see if that changes the UK's behavior.
It’s not going to change anything for the simple fact is that the Royal family are figureheads.
I think of specifically of that quote by British ex-Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli:
The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.
There is an excellent photo that neatly captures the above quote
Posted by: Down South | Dec 13 2020 6:06 utc | 34
J W @ 30 -- Thanks for putting your finger on Antonym's inferiority complex. I have skimmed his past comments, which were usually short, full of antipathy towards China and Chinese, but dressed up as "anti-CCP". With today's longer replies to Arch Bungle, this antonym comes across as a synonym for a jumble of Western MSM slogans, delivered in a rambling, incoherent, illogical speculation. Strange.
Arch Bungle @ 31 -- Thanks for drawing out Antonym, revealing his incoherent world view. Me thinks that Antonym's problem is he thinks the CPC is NOT a benefit to humanity. He refuses to see that the CPC has been a benefit to 1 billion Chinese -- certainly a sizeable portion of humanity -- and that is before we reckon how the rest of the world benefits. He will likely come back to say that it is the Chinese citizens (whom he will swear he has nothing against) who produce the benefits for humanity, not the CPC, who continues to "oppress" said citizens. Enough said. Comical.
Posted by: kiwiklown | Dec 13 2020 9:29 utc | 35
karlof1 @ 12:
Putting the British Royal Family and the Tories in front of a firing squad will not change the British government's behaviour much at all. You need to uproot the entire British political establishment including the British Labour Party (which these days is little more than Tory-lite Blairites under current leader Keir Starmer) and the educational institutions that feed it: Oxford University, its Politics Philosophy and Economics (PPE) degree course that grooms students to become career party flacks and politicians, and the private boarding schools that feed it and Cambridge University.
Then you have the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO), the British equivalent of the US State Department and just as much a rogue agency with an agenda of its own as its US counterpart, British intel agencies MI5, MI6 and GCHQ (Government Communications Headquarters, equivalent to the NSA in the US), and the British news media which include the British Broadcasting Corporation, the Murdoch-owned media, The London Daily Telegraph, The Daily Mail, The Guardian and The Independent.
Root out the military establishment with its ties to underground neo-fascist cells and networks, retired generals who keep replaying WWII in their minds with Britain leading Europe against the Huns instead of Dwight D Eisenhower or the Soviets, and all the military academies and defence colleges like Sandhurst. Ex-diplomats can be another problem as in the case of Alistair Harris I mentioned @ 6.
We're going to need a lot of people and a lot of ammunition for the firing squad.
Posted by: Jen | Dec 13 2020 11:03 utc | 36
Antonym @28
What have you Indians, not to mention your genuinely fascist leader, done for the world?
OK, your distant ancestors gave us Hindu-Arabic numerals back in the 6th century, I'll acknowledge that. What have you done lately? How's India's own poverty eradication efforts going? Does everyone in India even have electricity yet? Access to potable water? Sanitation and wastewater treatment?
India cannot even think about helping others yet because they cannot even help their own people. Stop being such an annoying hypocrite and study China's successes instead. India would greatly benefit from trying to duplicate those successes.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2020 11:11 utc | 37
https://www.moonofalabama.org/11i/itt2959---annex-1-lebanontaaark2019.pdf
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Ray ID: how about this folks c/n reach the pdf.. can someone give me a way to get the files listed here..
each time i click on the link or copy and past the url i get returned to MoA this page.. cannot get to the pdf.
Posted by: snake | Dec 13 2020 11:34 utc | 38
1. Who is behind this grand scheme?? idea to keeping Lebanon and Syria in a state of tension is the goal..
2. whose purpose does this serve? agenda written in Tel Aviv, or is it Washington??
3. who is behind all this?? goal is to coddle Israel... take this money and make sure Israel continues to dominate
in the middle east and all other countries are destabilized basket cases...
4. Who are the sick people behind all this? < many different groups are each hidden behind the nation state of their resident
5. who would spend money like this?? <-anyone seek to get at the Private profits to be made in a a foreign nation state.
6. the really shocking thing is the UK gov't is in on it, but don't want it to appear this way..
7. the people in the UK sure are a weird lot.. i think they are weirder then the people in the USA!
above formated usurps and direct quotes from by: james @ 2
Thank you james.. for the questions
First and foremost there is an inalienable principle developed over the years at MoA which goes something like this.
a. Nothing happens in a country unless outsider offends (OOs) are seeking a target private profit potential [Tppp].
b. OOs rely on the nation state of their residence (NSoR] to extract TPPP from inside of a target foreign nation state {TFNS).
c. if the OOs are powerful, they will be always use the NSoR to invade, destroy, extort or extract the Tppp.
d. the entire nation state system (divides 8 billion people into 256 cells) is a Oligarch orchestrated franchise system.
e. Franchisees are puppet politicians, bureaucrats and scientific specialist who support the franchised nation state system.
Once understood the inalienable principle: nation states have no public interest in attacking a foreign nation state and nation states will always try to defend a private interest operating within its own boundaries.
It makes it easy to track the offenses perpetrated by a private interest in one nation state that happen to the public interest in nation state that has a Tppp. Because just 6 private entities own 92% of all media globally and because the media can segment, divide, re-purpose and control the contents and the segments of the audiences allowed to view the target content, media is allowed only if it is complicit. The NoR is always made the fall guy to hide the identity and intentions of the
OO seeking to exploit the PPP inside of a target foreign nation state.
I cannot get to the documents linked in this article but I get its jest..
Posted by: snake | Dec 13 2020 12:33 utc | 39
Am I detecting a growing support for Jeremy Corbyn here ?
I hope so, that part of Labour Party UK have been the only effective opposition to the U.K.’s wrong doings, which is why ‘the establishment carryed out such a heavy character assassination against him.
Now take that logic and compare to the US and you will see that BLM and Antifa are the true people to back in America.
White supremacy being comparable to US backed rebels in the Middle East. A demolition squad! Whilst the silent peace loving majority are just that sadly, ‘silent’
Bit like MOA,
Again sadly.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2020 12:55 utc | 40
As we know, in the Middle East US weapons found ther way to proxy rebels.
In the US —- 8 billion dollars of US military weapons found there way into the hands of the uniformed thugs, destabilising America just months before this latest election.
On top of that, the US militaristic uniformed thugs, learned there impressive and repressive skills directly and indirectly from Israel !!
Now you tell me, who the good guys are ?
You can’t know the truth in the ME and not know the same thing in US & U.K.
Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 13 2020 13:37 utc | 41
@37...William Gruff | Dec 13 2020 11:11 utc |
"India cannot even think about helping others yet because they cannot even help their own people."
The main problem is "their own people" does not generally include anyone outside their clan/tribe/cast -- and most definitely excludes the untouchables (scheduled tribes) and the barbarians -- aka the rest of us outside their self-invented Hindu worldview etc. There is another bout of 'exceptionalism' infesting Occupied Palestine at the moment, but they do appear to have their respective acts together -- at least as long as the US Fed Reserve QE's forever and the US government funds their show.
Posted by: imo | Dec 13 2020 14:17 utc | 42
Hal Duell @Dec12 21:09 #10
Pointing out the obvious here, but isn't this exactly what is going down in front of our eyes in the USA?
In some respects, yes. But there are differences.
USA doesn't have Lebanon's sectarianism and there's no significant opposition (in the form of a strong Movement with Hezebollah-like commitment) to the establishment. The lefty part of the U.S. political duopoly is nothing like Hezbollah - the Democratic Party is essentially controlled opposition.
With that said, the claimed election corruption in USA and the Beirut Port Explosion are both contrived Reichstag Fires that are highly visible events that are used to discredit the opposition and provide an excuse for anti-opposition measures.
IMO, just as in Lebanon, where Harari's rule was restored and strengthened, Trump is likely to ultimately win a second term and be politically stronger.
Of course NO ONE sees this (it's inconceivable to the sheeple) and NO ONE wants to even talk about the possibility of such manipulation (again ... inconceivable).
=
... the object is to make a county ungovernable.
Can you hear the cries for a strongman?
!!
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 13 2020 14:19 utc | 43
one can’t know the truth in the ME and not know the same thing in US & U.K. by: Mark2 @ 41
exactly, there were two USAs: Articles of Confederation(AOC) _USA_1 existed between 1776 and 1788..and Constitutional_USA_2 has survived since 1788.
The AOC surveyed the land E. of the Mississippi, defeated the British Aristocrats their corporations and governors resident in America, and proposed to take the land grant estates (massive in size they were) granted by foreign governments to ex British Aristocrats still resident in America, and distribute those vasts land grant properties to Americans and their survivor familes who joined the USA rebel army (articles of confederation_USA_1 and who helped defeat the British.
But in 1787 these British taught Aristocrats developed a constitution that trashed Democracy, transferred control of Democratic AOC_USA_1 to a constitutional Republic, the constitution kept the name "USA" but replaced the charter and established a completely different government <= that new government should have been named constitution_USA_2. From 1788 on, British banking, corporate and political establishments have coordinated with like-minded American resident powers to run the government by thru the people allowed to be elected to the Article II government. The constitution was the result of a
power play between Oligarch, land grant owners, corporate and banking interest and the feeling of the majority of Americans at the time.
Americans wanted each state to determine the legality of slavey, its future as a state, and to write the laws that would be applied in its own state, while the federalist were industrial and not in need of slaves to do the farming, they needed a standardized system of law within each state ( interstate ) to do business in. The constitution_USA_2 government was designed to accommodate that interstate uniformity. It was this conflict that forced the civil war in 1865 on Americans. The electoral college was established to protect access to Article II positions because it is these two positions that the resident Oligarch use to force the nation state to engage in war for profit in foreign lands.
Posted by: snake | Dec 13 2020 14:54 utc | 44
@ snake and others, below please find the correct URL for the pdf. the site tries to install stuff so caution is advised
PDF Document ITT2959 - Annex 1 lebanon taa ark 2019.pdf
Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 13 2020 15:06 utc | 45
@ Posted by: kiwiklown | Dec 13 2020 9:29 utc | 35
This antonym is clearly an Indian (a very nationalist one). He popped out of nowhere in this blog right when the first post about the Ladakh border conflict was published.
snake | Dec 13 2020 14:54 utc | 44
"... the result of a
power play between Oligarch, land grant owners, corporate and banking interest ..."
Good observation. And so subtle that a key forensic tool might be missed...
Individuals who share a deep interest in any point of view, such as maintaining their already attained top-dog status of already accumulated wealth and power, have no need to make or put agreements into writing or any other kind of "document".
The patricians are a natural oligarch class and do not need any stinking document to keep the faith with each other, nor necessarily even know each other. Globally and in all languages, they already share the prime commitment to survival of their privileged status, precisely and automatically, at all costs. It is part of being privileged topdogs.
A lesson may be drawn on this. It is a deadly trap to require any kind of written document to show the truth of an argument. There are logical rules to establish the relative [!] truth of any working theory used to explain the universe. At the highest level of patricians, anything put in writing is [1] unnecessary and [2] extremely dangerous.
Working theories are the path out of the human mess we are in...as long as the theories work to improve our understanding by the results they give us. If a theory does not yield fruitful results, we can improve it or get a new one.
Thus your "... the result of a power play between Oligarch, land grant owners, corporate and banking interest..." is an astute summary.
Posted by: chu teh | Dec 13 2020 15:52 utc | 47
Posted by: J W | Dec 13 2020 5:40 utc | 31
Judging by his trolling history, he has so far only proved Indians like him have massive insecurity complexes towards Big Bad China.
I suspect he is an intern b employs to annoy people like me on a slow day to keep the forum rolling ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 16:02 utc | 48
On evaluating a datum for its truth:
If it makes sense;
if it does not contradict any well established facts;
if it aligns with other, confusing data in a way that helps sort out the confusion;
if it explains/clarifies s/g heretofore unexplainable or confusing;
if it predicts other, hitherto unknown data that can then be found and verified;
if the data can be used to yield consistent results.
…then the data has truth. Is any particular datum absolutely true?…there is no absolute truth in the real world. The source or sources does not make it true.
The above tests will establish relative truth. There may be other tests in addition the the above collection.
Posted by: chu teh | Dec 13 2020 16:04 utc | 49
@ Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 13 2020 5:27 utc | 29
This debate - about China's socialism (or neoliberalism?) - only exists in the heads of the Western Marxists. In reality, there's no debate to be held because there's no question to be asked.
After the October Revolution, there was a schism in Marxism between those in the West (hegemonized by the German social-democrats) and the East (hegemonized by the CPSU, then the CPC).
The Western Marxists claimed that the anti-colonialist struggle was wrong, the goal being directly abolishing the State and every instance of "power" and jump straight to communism.
The Eastern Marxists claimed that there would first have to be an anti-colonialist struggle before the transition to communism.
By anti-colonialism, it meant not just the struggle for nation-state independence, but also for economic independence.
That's why the Western Marxists accused Lenin, and later Stalin and the others (Mao, Fidel, Ho Chi Minh etc. etc.), of "betraying" the communist cause, of "degeneration", of "totalitarianism". In their opinion, the anti-colonialist struggle was a waste of time at best, a retrogression at worst.
But notice that all of those Western Marxists had one thing in common: they all came from First World countries or the upper middle class of the big Third World countries. They were, deep down, protecting their economic gains from the Post-War Miracle (1945-1968). But by doing so, they covertly protected the imperialist interests of their masters, the most glaring examples of this being Adorno and Horkheimer - now living in the USA - defending Israel against the Arabs in their wars and Hannah Arendt (also now living in the USA) condemning Martin Luther King, the Black Panthers et al of "terrorism".
Western Marxism would collapse in 1968, when the massacre of My Lai leaked to the American people through Seymour Hersh's fantastic piece of journalism. Few people talk about it now, but the Vietnam War was a center-left war. It was the Keynesian center-left at the apex of its power and prestige. It was ramped up by one of the most beloved leftists POTUS of all time - Lyndon B. Johnson. It was fully supported by the Western Marxists and the center-leftists. At the time, those intellectuals didn't get tired of accusing the Vietcongs of "terrorism".
After 1968, the center-left collapsed. But it didn't get better: over the Western Marxism's ruins a new current of thought - later named Postmodernism - would be born in France, later spreading to the rest of the West, in the mid-1970s. They would replicate - this time in an even more bestial, aestheticized form - the pro-imperialist narrative. But that's a subject for another day.
But the important thing is this: time proved Eastern Marxism was right and Western Marxism was wrong. Socialism is a transitory system. Communism won't be born like Athena - perfect and beautiful right from the head of Zeus. A long - and very painful, with a lot of dead in the way - period of transition will take place before socialism is consolidated, and a much longer period (if it happens at al) until something resembling communism takes place.
Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 13 2020 11:11 utc | 37
OK, your distant ancestors gave us Hindu-Arabic numerals back in the 6th century, I'll acknowledge that. What have you done lately? How's India's own poverty eradication efforts going? Does everyone in India even have electricity yet? Access to potable water? Sanitation and wastewater treatment?
I suspect the men who wrote the Bhagavad Gita, the Mahabarata, the Vedas and Puranas were so remote from modern India that they would not recognise Antonym's ilk were they to emerge from suspended animation today.
In any case, it is to *those* Indians we owe a debt, and not the India of today.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 16:09 utc | 51
Posted by: J W | Dec 13 2020 6:02 utc | 33
Furgetboutit. It's definitely funny to see a video of US hand-sewing masks in their "factories" while China massive outproducing them in their fully automated lines in March.
I had in mind a post apocalyptic scenario when/if America emerges from the ashes to become an economic powerhouse and the whole benighted cycle begins again ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 16:13 utc | 52
@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 16:13 utc | 52
That's not going to happen.
The reason for this is that antonym's hypothesis is wrong: the "world" didn't deindustrialize because of China, but because of the tendency of the profit rate to fall of capitalism.
In the very long term, yes, this is possible - but that would be long after the "apocalypse", in a world completely beyond our imagination.
now you know why the people of Iran shut down the den of spies
Posted by: Ali | Dec 13 2020 16:35 utc | 54
@ Jen | Dec 12 2020 19:33 utc | 6 / 36... thanks jen.. i wasn't able to find a website for ARK, but i agree with you in your comments in both posts... we are the target for the propaganda and some of us just aren't buying it either!
@ snake | Dec 13 2020 12:33 utc | 39... thanks snake! it seems to me that what is happening now is the dirty work is being farmed out to private corps in faraway lands to keep the focus away from just who and where this shit is actually being generated.... it seems to me there is some underlying attempt to overthrow countries and places where the leadership is not buying into this same b.s. i don't know how to put it any better... it definitely isn't about democracy or fairness or what most people want.. i say this to friends - 95% of the people on the planet are cool.. it is this 5% predator class that are not okay.. of course to be a predator, you don't want to be identifying with any country, let alone seen for who you are.. unless these sick puppies have their fangs removed, the planet will continue to struggle..
@ Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 16:02 utc | 48.. regarding your last conclusion - frankly i just can't see that.. no way, no how... cheers..
Posted by: james | Dec 13 2020 19:59 utc | 55
james you might look at this
does this contain a new lead ?
Posted by: snake | Dec 13 2020 20:27 utc | 56
@ snake oil | Dec 13 2020 20:27 utc | 56
You peddled that stuff in another thread and I rebutted you there already:
@ snake | Dec 13 2020 20:29 utc | 29can anyone dispute this ???
It's from veteranstoady.. QED!
Well now, that wasn't too difficult to do, was it?
My guess is that since rumors about the "Fort Detrick virus" are unquenchable, they have been tasked to poison the well. And boy, do they like to piss into the river at veteranstoady!
Don't blindly trust anything you read on veteranstoady. Apart from discrediting the article they copied from Pravda by preambling it with bullshit about nukes in Beirut (how does that tie in to this at all? they don't say) and ever-evildoing-all-evil-ever-Israelis.
Next they try to spin the 2015 paper as if the Wuhan lab that delivered sample materials was actively involved in the gain of function engineering. It was clearly not. The toady vet boys either did not read the paper at all or are simply disingeuous (take one guess..) I know what is in that paper because I pointed it out on MoA in March 2020. Incidentally, that is also around the time when the original Pravda article (the one that veteranstoady spins) was published. Curious how veteranstoady latched onto it only now eh?
Posted by: Lurk | Dec 13 2020 21:49 utc | 57
@ Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 13 2020 16:09 utc | 51
”In any case, it is to *those* Indians we owe a debt…”
I would add to your shortlist:
Āryadeva
Nāgārjuna
Chandrakirti
Śāntideva
Atiśa
Posted by: suzan | Dec 14 2020 0:45 utc | 58
@ Posted by: vk | Dec 13 2020 16:05 utc | 50
Another schism in the school between east and west arose from the Western Marxist refusal to engage in investigating the dialectics of nature. The West applied dialectics only to the human historical realm, not to the natural sciences or nature, with a few exceptions which were immediately attacked as heretical well into the 1960s when the west caught up with east philosophically, theoretically and practically.
Posted by: suzan | Dec 14 2020 1:13 utc | 59
I am transitioning from copper to fiber Internet, so my connectivity is temporary hampered. Here is a morsel about today's India.
Higher shipments from India, the world's biggest rice exporter, could cap global prices, reduce the country's bulging inventories and limit Indian state stockpiler purchases from farmers. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/indias-rice-exports-could-jump-42-to-record-highs-due-to-drought-in-thailand/articleshow/78529830.cms
Western MSM distort news about all who aren't 100% with them so your pictures of India are quite warped.
In general: China's exports were always more in the field of material inventions/ hardware (compass, gun powder, paper etc) while those of India were more in the spiritual /software field (Buddhism, Mathematics, chess etc).
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 14 2020 1:14 utc | 60
well, the catching up began in the 1990s, so correction
Posted by: suzan | Dec 14 2020 1:15 utc | 61
snake | Dec 13 2020 20:27 utc | 56 //// Lurk | Dec 13 2020 21:49 utc | 57
interesting article and interesting response from lurk to it as well... thanks.. i am not sure what to say about it all..
Posted by: james | Dec 14 2020 2:23 utc | 62
Ms. Suzan
A Dialectics of Nature, by definition of Nature, would include mankind as well.
The issue is not the conceptual distinction between Man and Nature. The issue is the inability and talenlessness of the Dialecticians of Nature to demonstrate the application of their ideas to any existing school of Natural Philosophy.
Can you recommend a book that does so?
Posted by: Fyi | Dec 14 2020 5:32 utc | 63
James @ 55:
Here is the website for Alistair Harris's ARK enterprise. Worth a browse as it uses similar language to disguise its activities as a humanitarian-type social NGO as other like-minded regime-change organisations do.
Posted by: Jen | Dec 14 2020 5:42 utc | 64
thanks jen! i couldn't find it in all my searches, but i am using a weird search engine which might explain this! cheers james
Posted by: james | Dec 14 2020 6:30 utc | 65
Very interesting revelations, particularly tying two nefarious plots to the same Christian Colonial perps. Paint a bit more lipstick on this pig and Voila! the Hong Kong uprising, the Belarus uprising & the latest CC stunt; using the slutty MSM to paint a smiley face on the West's newest hobby - declaring foreign elections "invalid" before they've taken place.
I love stories about Christian Values (even when they make me puke).
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 14 2020 14:43 utc | 66
Kit Klarenberg has a well-researched that builds on the Anonymous release and show the double-dipping by James Le Mesurier of White Helmest infamy and his handler/wife Emma Winberg, in the thick of one of the sludge funds pointed out by Anonymous: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/508929-white-helmets-founder-le-mesurier/
Posted by: fx | Dec 14 2020 17:29 utc | 67
@ Posted by: Fyi | Dec 14 2020 5:32 utc | 63
To get back to the context of the original comment which pointed out that western Marxists, unlike Marxists from the former ussr and elsewhere eastern, myopically, narrowly, interpreted marx’ writings as excluding the interrogation of the dialectics of nature of which humankind are part, and that this intellectual bias, culminating in the Frankfurt school and deteriorating further into western postmodern neoliberal-fueling nonsense, was a path that lead westerners astray from a core understanding of Marx and Engels who wrote in the 19th century of human-induced natural metabolic rifts which are accelerated by the international megamachine of capital accumulation, rifts which modern science now exposes when not censored.
I am not learned or a scholar, mostly an autodidact. I recommend reading MR for a current independent western view of this and following leads from there which reach to other parts of the world.
Posted by: suzan | Dec 14 2020 22:44 utc | 68
Posted by: Antonym | Dec 14 2020 1:14 utc | 60
In general: China's exports were always more in the field of material inventions/ hardware (compass, gun powder, paper etc) while those of India were more in the spiritual /software field (Buddhism, Mathematics, chess etc).
You're quite misled. The truth is that China's exports have been as diverse and probably more voluminous as anything out of India for thousands of years.
In the spiritual and organisational domain: I-Ching. Taoism. Chan (Zen). Confucianism. The use of gold backed paper currency (Kubilai Khan). The formal system of education and examination in many countries. The list goes on ...
Your delusion that India should be somehow singled out over China as an 'exporter of mathematics' (the idea itself seems absurd, but let's play along) is amusing:
Mathematics in China emerged independently by the 11th century BC. The Chinese independently developed a real number system that includes significantly large and negative numbers, more than one numeral system, algebra, geometry, number theory and trigonometry. These influences percolated throughout Asia, Central Asia and the west for thousands of years.
The world's first mechanical clock was built by the Chinese Tantric Buddhist monk and mathematician Yixing (683-727). In my view, the mechanical clock laid the foundation for modern geared mechanical machines.
And we have not even touched on the trove of intellectual property Marco Polo brought back with him to Europe following his employment at the court of Kubilai Khan.
Like the rest of the tripe you spew in these forums your statements never hold up to even modestly rational scrutiny.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 14 2020 23:47 utc | 69
chu teh @ 47
"The patricians are a natural oligarch class and do not need any stinking document to keep the faith with each other, nor necessarily even know each other. Globally and in all languages, they already share the prime commitment to survival of their privileged status, precisely and automatically, at all costs. It is part of being privileged topdogs."
I also think that their hired help understand this as well.
Posted by: arby | Dec 15 2020 19:53 utc | 70
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Indeed, s.o.p. subversion ops via financial institutions, telecomm, mass media could well be used on nearly any population (including domestic), if their activities would be sheltered, mostly undetected, and ongoing. Much like the coordinated media disinfo campaigns employed on nearly all civilian populations in western countries, almost all the time. The same types of ops and same types of agencies could quite easily 'flip the switch' to kick off violence and protests throughout a domestic population as well, blm/antifa riots and such, for example. Transnational 'agencies' might well be extremely vulnerable to the temptation of gaining rewards for such actions while being able to escape domestic juridictions via well established international networks which they already use and are familiar with.
Posted by: Josh | Dec 12 2020 18:49 utc | 1