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December 1, 2020
CNN’s ‘Blame China’ Document Leak Shows China Did Nothing Wrong

The Trump administration has tried to blame China for the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.

U.S. agencies have invested some efforts to obtain documents from China that might provide proof for that.

At least some of those documents were now leaked to CNN which has published them as The Wuhan Files.

But the documents do not show any malfeasance from China's side. They do show a health system and bureaucracy under stress while they have trouble to get an outbreak of a previously unknown infectious disease under control.

This is the most incriminating issue CNN could find in the papers:

In a report marked "internal document, please keep confidential," local health authorities in the province of Hubei, where the virus was first detected, list a total of 5,918 newly detected cases on February 10, more than double the official public number of confirmed cases, breaking down the total into a variety of subcategories. This larger figure was never fully revealed at that time, as China's accounting system seemed, in the tumult of the early weeks of the pandemic, to downplay the severity of the outbreak.

The Chinese government has steadfastly rejected accusations made by the United States and other Western governments that it deliberately concealed information relating to the virus, maintaining that it has been upfront since the beginning of the outbreak. However, though the documents provide no evidence of a deliberate attempt to obfuscate findings, they do reveal numerous inconsistencies in what authorities believed to be happening and what was revealed to the public.

Further down in the piece it becomes clear that the differences in reporting case numbers and the 'numerous inconsistencies' were based on the use of multiple categories:

On February 10, when China reported 2,478 new confirmed cases nationwide, the documents show Hubei actually circulated a different total of 5,918 newly reported cases. The internal number is divided into subcategories, providing an insight into the full scope of Hubei's diagnosis methodology at the time.

"Confirmed cases" number 2,345, "clinically diagnosed cases" 1,772, and "suspected cases" 1,796.

So China's central health service reported 2,478 confirmed cases for all of China while Hubei province reported 2,345 confirmed cases. How is that supposed to be a significant difference?

In early February China still had problems to sufficiently test for Covid-19 infections. It took time to confirm new cases. The tests were also not yet reliable. The category 'clinical diagnosed cases' was for those who had tested negative with a still faulty test but showed signs of acute pneumonia – i.e. 'ground-glass opacity' on CT chest scans. After the testing problems were resolved the category was eliminated:

Chinese officials did soon improve the reporting system, placing the "clinically diagnosed" cases into the "confirmed" category by mid-February.

Further down the CNN writers admit that the documents they were given do not show that China did anything wrong:

However, Mertha, the JHU academic, said the mismatch between the higher internal and lower public figures on the February death toll "appeared to be a deception, for unsurprising reasons."

"China had an image to protect internationally, and lower-ranking officials had a clear incentive to under-report — or to show their superiors that they were under-reporting — to outside eyes," he said.

Conversely, however, the leaked documents also provide something of a defense of China's overall handling of the virus. The reports show that in the early stages of the pandemic, China faced the same problems of accounting, testing, and diagnosis that still haunt many Western democracies even now — issues compounded by Hubei encountering an entirely new virus.

Similarly, no mention is made by officials of a so-called laboratory leak, or that the virus was man-made, as some critics, including top US officials, have claimed without evidence.

As the Department of Fear snarks:

U.S. Dept. of Fear @FearDept – 16:55 UTC · Dec 1, 2020

Documents leaked to CNN reveal that China took weeks to get its shit together and eradicate COVID from its soil.

(Nobody has bothered to leak our situation because it's perfectly clear the whole year has been a shit-show and the worst is yet to come.)

Indeed, China did so much 'wrong' that it no longer has a Covid-19 problem.

There is one interesting detail in the files the CNN was given that might become relevant during the ongoing search for the origin of the epidemic:

Tuesday, December 1, marks one year since the first known patient showed symptoms of the disease in the Hubei provincial capital of Wuhan, according to a key study in the Lancet medical journal.

At the same time that the virus is believed to have first emerged, the documents show another health crisis was unfolding: Hubei was dealing with a significant influenza outbreak. It caused cases to rise to 20 times the level recorded the previous year, the documents show, placing enormous levels of additional stress on an already stretched health care system.

The influenza "epidemic," as officials noted in the document, was not only present in Wuhan in December, but was greatest in the neighboring cities of Yichang and Xianning. It remains unclear what impact or connection the influenza spike had on the Covid-19 outbreak.

There is no proof that the very first SARS-CoV-2 infection of a human being has actually taken place in China. SARS-CoV-2 infections have been retroactively found in France and Italy in blood samples that were taken in November 2019 or earlier. The influenza outbreak in Hubei province may have silently reinforced the spreading of SARS-CoV-2 in China. It could explain why Hubei was the first place where a Covid-19 outbreak was noticed while it was spreading silently elsewhere.

The 'blame China' game will continue independent of what the evidence says. But it is becoming harder and harder to argue that the mess most 'western' countries are in was caused by China when it is so obvious that it is caused by the behaviors of our own societies.

Comments

@100 james
No, bevin has it right also – he’s talking about pernorway’s post that ran a long line of – bevin calls them asterisks but – if I recall was + signs perhaps?
Anyway, everybody is correct – except the two who got deleted, and b knows why, and who else even cares to know, except JR in confrontational mood?

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 2 2020 23:34 utc | 101

Jen @98–
Thanks for your reply! When Kudrin was again included in the government, I adhered to the argument that Putin wants to keep this one under as close a watch as he can. But as I noted with Putin’s petrochemical promotion, he’s using hybrid methods to further Russia’s development that involve the government, the Sovereign Wealth Fund, specific banks, and specific State-run businesses whose directors appear to be his allies. The lustful greed of the Neoliberal Parasites in charge of the action from 1989-1993 could’ve landed their biggest fish ever, but in gaffing it instead of netting it bungled the whole operation and turned the potentially friendly fish into a very wary adversary that remains capable of destroying it.
IMO, most of the world’s people would like to see the Outlaw US Empire simply dissolve and cease to exist so they can get along with the business of bettering their lives and promoting peace.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2020 23:48 utc | 102

The post by Sid Victor Cattoni was most probably removed because it challenge the official narrative about the Covid-19 pandemic in the EU, where legislation is being produced to criminalize people who spread alternative points of view.
Still, the medical community is way too much worried by the sudden rushing to vaccinate people with new unknown mechanism vehiculated vaccines whose medium to long term effects have not been observed, and they are claimming for publishing data at usual medical reviews and peer reviews, not just press notes…Why the authorities are skipping this indispensable step for security with any new drug?
Why the European Comission refuse to buy the Russian vaccine and is menacing any country trying to get it?
The post by Sid Victor Cattoni was most probably removed because it challenge the official narrative about the Covid-19 pandemic in the EU, where legislation is being produced to criminalize people who spread alternative points of view.
Still, the medical community is way too much worried by the sudden rushing to vaccinate people with new unknown mechanism vehiculated vaccines whose medium to long term effects have not been observed, and they are claimming for publishing data at usual medical reviews and peer reviews, not just press notes…The crude reality is that there is no objective data on how effective those vaccines are or which their collateral effects could be.
Why the authorities are skipping this indispensable step for security with any new drug?
Why the European Comission refuse to buy the Russian vaccine and is menacing any country trying to get it?
https://twitter.com/Herbert_Keg/status/1334056214167171072
All these serious issues promote distrust amongst not only the medical community but also aware population, and so nobody would be surprised if theories like that they want to get rid, apart from those who were already old enough in the nursing homes, of a whole generation of baby boom children soon to retire, are not only in the minds but also in the mouths of the populace, reaching the square market….
With respect those theories, I am confident the Russian vaccine is secure since they can not afford losing population…This is why I will be trying to get that vaccine, or I will wait 5 years to wait for the collaterals.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Dec 2 2020 23:49 utc | 103

james @100–
My bolded scream @6 still remains.
Grieved @101–
I too would like to know why Sid’s hypothesis was scrubbed, for if his was than mine will too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 2 2020 23:51 utc | 104

Everyone commenting on the removal of Sid Victor Cattoni’s comment should tell us if they actually read the comment.
Anyone that had actually read Sid Victor Cattoni’s comment would not easily dismiss it’s removal.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2020 0:14 utc | 105

@ Grieved | Dec 2 2020 23:34 utc | 101… per norways ruining the thread is not in any way connected to Sid Victor Catton’s comment…
i am sorry grieved, but you are not following this closely… now as to how much if any it matters is another story…

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2020 0:32 utc | 106

By Golly Gee Whiz!!! Stop the Presses!!
The Rabbit and I agree on something: his comment @105!

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 3 2020 0:35 utc | 107

@ karlof1 104… indeed! per norways comment ruining the thread was @3… the guy should be banned from moa… sid victor cattoni’s comment was @26 and was deleted for some mysterious reason which remains a mystery, but as i said it was the first and only post he has made at moa.. unless b knows something we don’t know..

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2020 0:35 utc | 108

and for the record @ CitizenX | Dec 2 2020 17:36 utc | 85 / 86 post is exactly correct.. why is the post from @ Sid Victor Catton @26 missing? it has nothing to do with the post @ 3.. bevin has it wrong… now you do too grieved!

Posted by: james | Dec 3 2020 0:39 utc | 109

Anyone that had actually read Sid Victor Cattoni’s comment would not easily dismiss it’s removal.
Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2020 0:14 utc | 105

I read all of SVC’s comment.
It was a load of fuzzy logic conspiratorial tosh based on cherry-picked circumstantial evidence.
b embraces the assertion, by WHO and other reputable authorities, that Covid19 was NOT produced in a biolab. There’s more than enough real-world idiocy surrounding Covid19 and no need for SVC to add more.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 3 2020 1:10 utc | 110

Hoarsewhisperer @Dec3 1:10 #110

I read all of SVC’s comment.
It was a load of fuzzy logic conspiratorial tosh based on cherry-picked circumstantial evidence.

Sid Victor Cattoni’s comment described a plausible scenario for SARS-COV-2 use as a bio-weapon that explains the multiple strains that were present early-on in the pandemic.
His logic is not “fuzzy”. And the “conspiracy” is not far-fetched in the context of Thucydides Trap.
Whether we like it or not, we live in an age of:

  • info war (aka propaganda);
  • cyber war;
  • bio-war
    as evidenced by such things as mRNA; glyphosate (bee killer); GMOs; and chemo- and immuno- anti-cancer therapies.
  • nuclear war (dial-a-yield nukes and hyper-sonic missiles);
  • space war.

The Empire arguably has the lead in the last three of these.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2020 3:22 utc | 111

Funny how one comment from a first-time commenter arouses more interest and discussion on this comments thread than anything else just by being eliminated, presumably because that commenter is thought to be a troll or a bot even, than it would if it had been allowed to stay so everyone could see it and dissect it.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 3 2020 6:05 utc | 112

Posted by: Jen | Dec 2 2020 22:53 utc | 98
I am losing my searching skills, or what’s even worse, censorship is ever encompassing the internet. No news in english about the unceremonious dismissal since Chubais will be replaced by someone coming from the defense sector and the spokesman for Putin said that the fired guy will not be talking directly to Putin, in other words he’ll find out about being kicked in the rear reading the press. But in any case the news is basically in all Russian media.
Navally going back to Russia, a risky proposition, here you have a video in which the aforementioned states the need to overthrow the government including using violent methods, could be easily accused of terrorism without digging in the not too clear poisoning saga. He’ll stay away, for his own good, he is a spent asset, and curiously the Skripals appeared in the news again with Julia phoning her relatives back in Russia, according to the Russian MSM.
https://vk.com/video-156264903_456249389

Posted by: Paco | Dec 3 2020 8:02 utc | 113

Posted by: Paco | Dec 3 2020 8:02 utc | 113
No luck either searching for this clip in english, Biden nap Yellen, or Biden sleeps Yellen presentation plus a few other combinations with no results. But according to Russian media Biden having a nap during Yellen presentation. Nothing new, Reagan used to do it, what we do not know is if Biden is a Ouija Board fan.
https://www.vesti.ru/article/2493211

Posted by: Paco | Dec 3 2020 8:09 utc | 114

About the concept of bioweapon – this time, it’s not virus that is a weapon. The real weapon is the reaction to it. It’s causing widespread and fundamental changes in western societies, or perhaps, bringing previous, gradual changes to fruition.
What is about to emerge from this crisis, through classically carl-shmittian emergency process, is the face of the new, global sovereign.
Club de Cordeliers, Mike Yeadon, Robin Monotti Graziadei, others – and, above all, Cory Morningstar – are excellent chroniclers of this change. One can follow their work on twitter, if he/she pleases.

Posted by: js | Dec 3 2020 9:16 utc | 115

I did read #26. Interesting though. I love this forum because of this kind of speculation, like b did with analysing that big pharma delayed publishing of vac test results to hurt the reelection of Trump. There have been a beautiful comment i think on the same thread couple of days ago about covid. Beside a lot the commenter reminded that there shouldnt be different death rates in different countries. The giant leaps between the continents need to have an explanation. This can be intrensic, like age structure or shape of health system. Or an extrensic explanation like #26 propose. The statistic facts show that east asia goes well through this pandemic. That suggest, taking the comment serious, that covid a is the vacaccination disease and the euro/american kind is the dangerous version b. That would hint of china as the creator. I dont think that is true, but thinking have to hurt sometimes. Only than it moves things forward. Beside that i am convinced, there is already bioweapons in use. It is not targeting humans directly, but the food chain. There is proofed cases of targeting the production of oranges in cuba in the seventies with patogens.

Posted by: rico rose | Dec 3 2020 14:03 utc | 116

js @Dec3 9:16 #115

The real weapon is the reaction to it. It’s causing widespread and fundamental changes in western societies …

Sid Victor Cattoni’s (“SVC”) thesis makes Western leaders reaction to the virus into a feature, not a bug as it would’ve been PLANNED, not happenstance.
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Disclaimer: I am not defending SVC’s thesis. My initial reaction to it is found @Dec1 22:49 #34:

That’s an interesting thesis and makes some sense, though its not easy to prove.

I’m advocating for the value of examining and discussing SVC’s thesis.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2020 16:23 utc | 117

rico rose @Dec3 14:03 #116

The statistic facts show that east asia goes well through this pandemic…. hint of china as the creator.

This is not Sid Victor Cattoni’s (“SVC”) reasoning.
SVC’s extrinsic explanation in what was comment #26 explained a clever strategy for releasing a biowarfare agent that would make USA the culprit. The strategy he outline also explained evidence of early spread in the West and why some Western countries responded so poorly to the pandemic threat.
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Disclaimer: I am not defending SVC’s thesis. My initial reaction to it is found @Dec1 22:49 #34:

That’s an interesting thesis and makes some sense, though its not easy to prove.

I’m advocating for the value of examining and discussing SVC’s thesis.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2020 16:24 utc | 118

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2020 16:24 utc | 118
RE SVC supposition: I’m not getting into it, but the problems with blathering on about man-made virus are two:
1.) We’ve been using naturally made bioproducts of all sorts against each other pretty much right along, so it’s not even a little new, really, and the products being used are no more unnatural than say a domestic dog. So it is difficult to tell the “natural” from the “un-natural”, and hence difficult to settle the dispute, since it is largely about nomenclature.
2.) We do not even begin to have the level of understanding how the genetic system really works as a system for encoding diseases, the point being that aim is a big problem and always has been with this sort of “weapons”, they are indiscriminate. “Fratricide” comes very easy with biological/chemical weapons.
So it becomes very hard to tell what was done or who did it. If a disease decimates your ememies and you didn’t lift a finger other than not to warn them, how guilty are you? and how is anybody going to prove it?
I don’t mean to piss on your parade, it’s an interesting speculation like you say, but lacking some concrete evidence of connection to the perpetrators it’s not going anywhere. Handy for slandering your enemies though.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 3 2020 16:48 utc | 119

Bemildred @Dec3 16:48 #119
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1.) We’ve been using naturally made bioproducts of all sorts …
Your point is irrelevant to SVC’s thesis. Is the intention to muddy waters?
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2.) We do not even begin to have the level of understanding …
This argument might appeal to layman with a poor understanding of biological research methods but I think that we have attained a sufficient level of understanding. And any military-funded research program will be well ahead of ordinary researchers – especial wrt to practical application of said research.
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If a disease decimates your ememies and you didn’t lift a finger other than not to warn them, how guilty are you?
This statement is aligned with USA propaganda that blames China for not warning the world and taking actions to prevent the spread to other countries (though, as moa readers know, international agreements forbidden unilaterally shutting-down international travel).
Furthermore, it suggests that SVC’s thesis pointed a finger at China when it actually pointed a finger at USA.
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I don’t mean to piss on your parade …
I’m adding a disclaimer to my messages about SVC’s thesis (see below) specifically because it’s NOT “my parade”.
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Disclaimer: I am not defending SVC’s thesis. My initial reaction to it is found @Dec1 22:49 #34:

That’s an interesting thesis and makes some sense, though its not easy to prove.

I’m advocating for the value of examining and discussing SVC’s thesis.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Dec 3 2020 17:22 utc | 120

“the problems with blathering on about man-made virus…
…but lacking some concrete evidence of connection to the perpetrators it’s not going anywhere”
Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 3 2020 16:48 utc | 119

Hold on-
We know factually the US invests heavily in Bio Weapons research and development, with multiple research facilities abroad as well. Why invest in these weapons of terror to begin with? I believe Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that there is no reason to have a “standing Army” unless you are going to use it.
Speaking of Bio Weapons, lets talk Nuclear Weapons and Energy?
Hanover, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, Fukushima to name just a few. Anyone here claiming things cannot and will not go wrong with nuclear energy accidents? Forget about intentional use of Nuclear Weaponry like Japan or worse using Depleted Uranium munitions.
Anyone claiming Nuclear Energy facilities cannot and do not have accidents resulting in loss of life and destruction? Anyone here actually claiming there cannot, will not and never has been Bio Weapon accidents?
There sure seems to be credible evidence Biological Weapons have been intentionally used against other humans.
To blatantly dismiss Bio Weapons being released accidentally, intentionally or as a Rogue Terrorist weapon is insane. Biological Weapons are actively being designed for use. There will be accidents, they have been used in warfare, there will be use of these weapons- just like Nuclear Weapons, their by products, and “safe” Nuclear Energy.

Posted by: CitizenX | Dec 3 2020 21:16 utc | 121

Paco @ 113:
Yes, the Western news MSM has been mum over Anatoly Chubais’s dismissal. The Moscow Times (pro-liberalisation) is the first English-language news outlet to publish the information.
I am aware that Alexei Navalny, in discussing a 5-point plan with Ekho Moskvy (a pro-liberal radio station in Moscow) to subsidise individuals, households and small businesses with miniscule amounts of government money (and the indebtedness this would create for the Russian state) or waiving taxes in the case of small businesses, did indeed say that overthrowing the government with violent means would be necessary if it did not carry out such a plan. One wonders what advice Navalny receives from Khodorkovsky or any of his other controllers and paymasters to say such rubbish that it effectively kiboshes any plans he might have had to return to Russia where he will be handcuffed and charged with treason the moment he steps off the plane. His value to the regime change crowd gets closer to nil the longer he stays away from Russia and eventually his use-by date will come sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 3 2020 23:15 utc | 122

Citizen X @ 121:
There have been allegations that during the Korean War (1950 – 1953) the US deployed germ warfare agents (anthrax, plague, cholera) against populations in North Korea.
Much if not most of the knowledge the US had regarding the use of bioweapons came from experiments conducted by the Imperial Japanese Army in their laboratories in Manchuria (the infamous Unit 731) and in Nanjing using Chinese civilians and Chinese and some foreign (mostly Soviet but also American, British, Australian and New Zealand) POWs as guinea pigs. In recent years some evidence has surfaced that a similar laboratory was run by the Japanese in the Philippines during WWII.
Also allegations exist that in 1947 and 1948 the Israelis poisoned wells in Arab villages and towns in Palestine with typhoid and cholera. There were outbreaks of cholera in parts of Egypt and Syria near Israel as well.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 3 2020 23:28 utc | 123

Jen @123–
Blankets infected with Smallpox were given to Native Americans with the expected results. Various CIA tests were done on USA citizens during the 1950s. Carcinogenic pollution was knowingly continued and workers continually exposed to them by the vinyl industry and other petrochemical firms as revealed by Bill Moyers in his expose, Trade Secrets. Our Stolen Future details how hormone mimickers cause great damage during fetal development. And the list goes on. All macro-fauna on the planet has PBCs continually building up in their bodies no matter where they live. The Chemical Revolution has essentially poisoned all humans and other mega-fauna. Much micro-fauna is also damaged, the most recent and ongoing BIG problem is Ocean Acidification which has the potential to destroy all plankton. The Reality of our actual condition ought to overwhelm people, but few really understand; and many barflies deny most of the above. Oh, although not specifically bio, the act targeted biological fecundity–Roman sowing of salt into the fields around Carthage to insure no one could exist there. And the Outlaw US Empire proudly emulates Rome in a great many ways. And we shouldn’t forget The Secret History of Lead–planet-wide poisoning of all humans authorized by Congress in the 1920s.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 4 2020 0:06 utc | 124

@ Jen | Dec 3 2020 6:05 utc | 112… well i am sure that more then a few of us made that same observation too! but thanks for articulating that in a post, lol…

Posted by: james | Dec 4 2020 4:53 utc | 125

Paco @93–
“Anatoly Chubais appointed Special Presidential Representative for Relations with International Organisations by Putin:
“Vladimir Putin signed the Executive Order On the Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Relations with International Organisations to Achieve Sustainable Development Goals.”
A curious move, don’t you think?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 4 2020 22:43 utc | 126

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 4 2020 22:43 utc | 127
There was even talk of possible prosecution, instead a diplomatic job of sorts, maybe it’s better to keep them on short leash, for the time being anyway, while instability is acute. Deep demotion anyway.

Posted by: Paco | Dec 4 2020 23:12 utc | 127

Paco @128–
Thanks for your reply! TASS added this curious explanation by Peskov–“more normal rotation”(Chubais was there for 12 years)–and closed with this:
“On December 2, Russian President Vladimir Putin offered Military-Industrial Commission First Deputy Chairman Sergei Kulikov to head Rusnano. On December 3, the Russian government approved a directive on Kulikov’s appointment to the post of chairman of the board of Rusnano.”
IMO, this additional item tells us the real reason–the brain power and background of the Top Boss.
What do you think of the AI Confeerence, or are you awaiting more media reports?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 4 2020 23:51 utc | 128

karlofi@129 martyanov covers this nicely. i’m certain you will enjoy his summation as well as the comments. btw: i greatly appreciate your work, insights & links.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Dec 5 2020 0:33 utc | 129

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 4 2020 23:51 utc | 129
Obviously there is a big timezone difference in our locations.
The most interesting part in Martyanov’s post is the link to the biography of Kulikov, the new Rosnano boss, among other institutions, most of them military, he went trough the Technical University Bauman, the cream of the cream of ingeneering universities in Russia toguether with MIPT and confirms Martyanov theory for the need of STEM people in executive positions. Take a look at the faculty and alumni roll, the stratosphere of Soviet and Russian science.
Bauman

Posted by: Paco | Dec 5 2020 7:33 utc | 130

Paco @131–
Thanks for your reply! The time difference is just a minor nuisance. What’s important is that we continue to feed information and ideas to each other and those willing to join the discourse. And it’s the weekend when I devote more time to being married than conducting research and writing. One of the USSR’s failings was the lack of qualified people in charge of key departments. This move by Putin resolves one problem, perhaps more.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 5 2020 23:38 utc | 131

The Chinese have the perfect response to US bellicosity about covering up Covid in the early stages. They simply parrot Trump – any hesitancy was because they were trying not to panic the public.
If it’s OK for Trump to use the excuse for failing then it’s OK for Xi.

Posted by: Molip | Dec 7 2020 6:40 utc | 132

William Gruff at 82 from Liberty Blogger
To the extent your comment is comprehensible, it states purposeful misinformation.
China did not tell the world about the cancellation of its internal flights out of Wuhan, while not cancelling international flight traffic there. How is that even put to words?
Your irrational bias in favor of totalitarian dystopian China is on full display at MOA.

Posted by: Liberty Blogger | Dec 7 2020 11:05 utc | 133

The symptoms are not fixed, and they resemble any other flu, cold or pneumonia. Most hospitals do not test for the strain of virus. They simply treat it as a bacteria and if the treatment does not work, they go to viral medications.
The PCR test is defective and cannot prove anyone had Covid 19 in Wuhan China.
If symptoms and testing are the only two ways to diagnose disease, and they are, and neither can be used for diagnosis of Covid 19, then how could Wuhan possibly know that patients had Covid-19.
In my opinion, the whole Chinese “epidemic” was staged. The first clinical study of 41 people shows that the symptoms of the 41 people varied greatly, and when they used Drosten’s PCR test to test the patients “every day), each patient in the study came up positive one day and negative the next. The whole virus is complete bull.

Posted by: anastasia | Dec 8 2020 16:53 utc | 134