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December 15, 2020

Biden Elected, Barr Out, Dems Cave On Covid Aid

The relevant authority has finally called the U.S. presidential election:

President of Russia @KremlinRussia_E - 8:43 UTC · Dec 15, 2020

Joseph R. Biden @JoeBiden has been declared the winner of the US presidential election. Congratulations from Vladimir Putin:

Vladimir Putin sent a message to Joseph R. Biden congratulating him on his victory in the presidential election in the United States of America.

This comes after a majority of electors had voted for Joe Biden:

All 538 electors voted Monday in the Electoral College, formalizing President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election. Their votes will next be sent to Washington to be counted by Congress on January 6.

Hawaii's four electors voted shortly after 7 p.m. to make the final tally 306 Electoral College votes for Mr. Biden to 232 for President Trump. At 5:30 p.m. ET, California's electors cast their state's 55 Electoral College votes for Mr. Biden, putting him over the 270 needed to win.

Despite that Trump will certainly continue to put the election results in doubt. That and nearly everything else he will do during the next 35 days is already part of his 2024 reelection campaign.

That Trump has plans to muck up things a bit more is possibly a reason why Attorney General William Barr resigned today:

Attorney General William Barr has resigned with a little more than a month left in President Donald Trump’s administration. This seems to suggest that Barr thinks what happens in the next five weeks could irretrievably tarnish his legacy.
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Say Trump issues a blanket pardon for all ICE agents during his presidency. Or for his family members. Or for himself. There would be no way Barr could avoid looking like he had gone along with it — short of resigning in protest.

In other words, instead of the attorney general insulating the president by recommending pardons, the president would be discrediting the attorney general by issuing outrageous pardons without the top lawyer’s consent.

The same would be true of any executive orders issued by the White House over the objections of the Office of Legal Counsel at Justice.

I am not sure that those are the real reasons why Barr is leaving. Trump was probably keen to see him go especially after it was revealed that Barr had kept a long running Justice Department's investigation of Hunter Biden secret. Had that investigation 'leaked' early enough it would have been excellent campaign material. By holding back, Barr essentially prevented Trump from winning:

President Trump on Saturday excoriated Attorney General William P. Barr, castigating him on Twitter for not violating Justice Department policy to publicly reveal an investigation into President-Elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s son.
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In three tweets, Mr. Trump called the attorney general a “big disappointment” and denounced him for not disclosing the existence of an investigation into Hunter Biden for possible tax evasion, which he said would have given Republicans an edge in the election.

By leaving now Barr avoids his "You're fired!" moment.

Meanwhile the Democrats have caved in during the Covid-19 relief negotiations:

With the election over, the Democratic leadership in the space of a few weeks somehow negotiated against themselves, working with Republicans to push the total amount of a Covid-19 relief deal further and further downward, to the point where previous plans offered by the likes of Mitch McConnell and Steve Mnuchin now look like LBJ’s Great Society.

Democrats ultimately settled for less than a third of what they had set as a baseline for state and local aid, accepted a package without any $1,200 direct payments, and signed off on a plan that, after offsets, includes less than $350 billion in new money, well below a slew of pre-election proposals rejected by Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer as being too low.
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In September, as time wound down toward Election Day, the bipartisan “Problem Solvers” group released a $1.5 trillion aid plan which they pitched as a version of that theoretical compromise between Democratic and Republican positions. Though the group contained some Democrats, it was dismissed by Party leadership.
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The Republicans, this time led by Steve Mnuchin and an increasingly desperate-seeming Donald Trump, came back on October 9th with a $1.8 trillion proposal. Reeling as he stumbled toward Election Day thanks to a series of missteps and scandals, Trump seemed anxious to go beyond his previous numbers.
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This time, even some prominent Democrats were insisting the time was right to strike. .. The Democratic leadership disagreed. .. Ultimately, of course, no deal got done before the election.

And the deal done now is lower than anything the Republicans had previously offered. The new deal is mostly about offsets with only $188 billion in new money and with little aid for the states. That means that there will be more unemployment and more evictions than were already destined to happen.

Before the election the Democrats blocked a decent Republican offer for Covid-19 relief. After the election they agreed to a much lower deal which leaves out the priorities they had pretended to support when they blocked the Republican offer.

It shows that it was never about providing help to the people, as the Democrats had claimed, but purely about sticking it to the Republicans and especially to Trump.

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Why wouldn't the dems open the taps on money? Another $1.5 trillion in "debt" seems like small beer for them. This would seem to set up the DNC controlled cities in a fight over who gets their reward.

Posted by: j. casey | Dec 15 2020 16:30 utc | 1

Headline">https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772-antrim-county-forensics-report/">Headline the damning results of the forensic investigation of the Dominion Voting System machines used in Antrim County, Michigan.

biDen won?
The fat lady have not appeared to sing yet..

Posted by: Per/Norway | Dec 15 2020 16:36 utc | 2

It shows that it was never about providing help to the people, as the Democrats had claimed, but purely about sticking it to the Republicans.

Or maybe it was about minimizing help given to the people under the pretense of sticking it to the Republicans under the pretense of trying to help the people.

Posted by: S | Dec 15 2020 16:38 utc | 3

I was wondering what people's thoughts were regarding Trump's efforts to overturn the election and his allegations of fraud. Personally, i haven't seen or heard of anything that has convinced me, particularly when looking at the clowns involved (Giuliani and Powell) and the substance of their lawsuits.. ie no fraud or evidence, a few anecdotal depositions by more questionable characters... so ... no substance at all basically.

I was surprised to see The Saker stoop this low... i never thought he was all too objective in his world view and analysis, but to go all out in support of an unfounded conspiracy... mah.. maybe he's really just a paid Russian stooge looking to fuel confusion and discontent in the West after all?

http://thesaker.is/scotus-rejects-texas-lawsuit-is-it-over-for-trump-or-not-what-happens-next-open-thread/

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 15 2020 16:39 utc | 4

@Et Tu/4: The Saker? No he is not a paid Russian propaganda operative. He once openly cried that he had asked the Russians to pay him for his "work" and they rejected.
No shit.
Cant make this shit up.

Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr | Dec 15 2020 16:58 utc | 5

The Saker propagandizes as much as this site does: look how much effort B expended to convince us that COVID is as real as the PCR tests. Did you notice all that analysis B has prepared about the 'voter fraud' issue? No? Hehehe that's because he hasn't!

Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 15 2020 17:21 utc | 6

@ Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr | Dec 15 2020 16:58 utc | 5

LOL... i think the whole point of being a paid operative would be not to be known as one... kinda takes the believability factor out of your argumentation don't you think?

Either way i dont care... i have no qualification to question the Saker on his technical expertise on military or intelligence matters and analysis, but it's pretty clear where his bias always lies in international affairs.
I was just surprised at his stance on promoting the election 'fraud' and 'coup'. Big words, small or no evidence. Independent media operators like to take the moral high ground pointing out mainstream media's lies and nefarious agendas, and then you get guys like him jumping on what appears to be a pretty fake and baseless conspiracy, so much for integrity... he hasn't even bothered articulating the case for his readers, as far as i know.

I haven't researched it thoroughly, but everything i've read on the matter, including some of the court docs, indicates the whole affair had no legal merit or evidence to back it. It seems to me it was a politically motivated stunt to enact revenge on the Dems for Russiagate and a desperate attempt to cling to power. Trump's record of contempt for truth and pursuit of conspiracies for personal gain makes it even harder to believe a word he says. Either way, good riddance to him, time for a different brand of horror now i guess...

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 15 2020 17:23 utc | 7

Have you analyzed this?

Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 15 2020 17:24 utc | 8

@ Posted by: DontBelieveEitherPr | Dec 15 2020 16:58 utc | 5

Have you got back up (of facts/links etc) for your gossip?

Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 15 2020 17:40 utc | 9

more corporate relief at worker expense
who said man's hand was not part of Covid 19

the content in these two web site suggest the new vaccine is as safe as a cup of Hemlock.

Posted by: snake | Dec 15 2020 17:41 utc | 10

Or maybe it was about minimizing help given to the people under the pretense of sticking it to the Republicans under the pretense of trying to help the people.

Posted by: S | Dec 15 2020 16:38 utc | 3

Yes, that is how I see it, a win-win-win for them all.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 15 2020 17:50 utc | 11

"It shows that it was never about providing help to the people, as the Democrats had claimed, but purely about sticking it to the Republicans.
"Or maybe it was about minimizing help given to the people under the pretense of sticking it to the Republicans under the pretense of trying to help the people."

Yes, S@3, that seems to me the most convincing explanation of the tactics employed by Pelosi and Schumer, who are both far more authentic champions of Wall St and the master class than moss backed chancers and provincial Rotarians like Mitch McConnell.

The Saker is a White Russian- a conservative Russian nationalist. It was as such, and a fighter against communism, that he worked for the US government, or so I believe, for many years. With Communism resting, he no longer feels any justification for working against Russia so he tells, what he he sees as being the truth.

As to the Covid matter, the WSWS today runs an article arguing, not unconvincingly, that the number of Covid deaths in the United States is probably nearer to 400,000 than 300,000. I am certain that they are correct.
Whether deliberately or not those posting nonsense to the effect that Covid is either a hoax or greatly exaggerated are doing the Empire's work in assisting it not only to keep capitalism running at full tilt without taking any of the measures, including Publicly funded healthcare and decent levels of unemployment benefits, not to mention the strict regulation of "Care Himes" both private and non-profit, which are minimal requirements to deal with the pandemic.
Not only that but to continue the warfare against working people, what is left of the Trade Union movement and cutting the burden of what Sweden's neo-liberal Finance Minister charmingly calls the 'Meat Mountain' of unproductive retired workers.
As well as, perhaps most importantly, continuing the propaganda offensive against reason and clear perception in order to confuse the population and deter it from thinking for itself.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 15 2020 17:59 utc | 12

@ Posted by: bevin | Dec 15 2020 17:59 utc | 12

A lot of Mensheviks and other Whites fled to the USA after the Civil War. The Saker is just noisier.

Posted by: vk | Dec 15 2020 18:05 utc | 13

@ Posted by: bevin | Dec 15 2020 17:59 utc | 12

Whether deliberately or not those posting nonsense to the effect that Covid is either a hoax or greatly exaggerated are doing the Empire's work in assisting it...

That's ridiculous! If 'looking for truth' (by asking critical questions) implies assisting the Empire then tell me what isn't?

Posted by: Idiocrates | Dec 15 2020 18:08 utc | 14

Posted by: bevin | Dec 15 2020 17:59 utc | 12

RE: Saker the White Russian: Thanks! That makes better sense of him than anything I've come up with. He is interesting on some subjects, but US' domestic politics is not one of them.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 15 2020 18:16 utc | 15

This is how it always was ... at least since Jimmy Carter turned neoliberal in mid-term. Two parties that are simply the two-headed representation of the economic and political elite. Prior to Carter, they cared a bit more about the health of US society in general (at least since the Great Depression). Since then we have been carried back to the Robber Baron period, minus the nation-building bit.

Its all about the elite sucking up everything on the way to a Brazil-like existence. COVID was yet another emergency not to be wasted (just like the 1970s, 1980s Latin America debt crisis, 9-11 and 2008 etc.) Billy-boy Clinton showed the way when he passed a right-wing Republican neoliberal agenda. The problem with the elite is that they simply cannot imagine that the sheeple will rebel, or that they are destroying the basis of their own global power - the US economy that pays for the US war machine. Looking forward to the Dems explaining that "there is no money left in the cupboard and we must tighten our belts" as any recovery limps into being.

With the petit-bourgeois pretty much destroyed by COVID and the previous non-enforcement of anti-monopoly laws, the unions vanquished, the police heavily armed, and the media fully tamed we are entering the time of the lumpen-proletariat. Adding to their ranks will be the many over-educated baristas etc., programmed to divide and conquer with their IdPol ideology and Wokeness, as they struggle to make sense of why they earn less than the UnWoke plumbers, electricians, and other skilled tradesmen (and women!).

Welcome to America! At some point a leader will emerge and the US will have its serf revolt. When? Who knows, the full force of the police, Federali, CIA, and army will be used to crush it. The only would be that the latter will not follow commands, thats how regimes fall.

Posted by: Roger | Dec 15 2020 18:20 utc | 16

The D's rejection of the "minimal" level of help they espoused provides a great deal of energy to the last lines of this Global Times editorial that muses about China having incurred 300K deaths while the West controlled the pandemic, "We want to ask, what would happen if the situation is reversed - what if China were the one where 300,000 people died from the coronavirus, and the US and most other Western countries had the pandemic under control?":

"This raises some fundamental questions: Is there really any justice in the world? Is there a bottom line for the political shamelessness of some American elites? Will they eventually be punished for what they have been doing?"

China certainly remains within its rights to do what these paragraphs suggest:

"Third, they would say China does not care how many people die, and that Chinese lives are not respected. Their attacks on China's human rights would reach their peak. They would compare how much the US and the West value every human life, and how real and dignified individual rights are in their countries. In reality, China has made major achievements in the COVID-19 fight, but the Westerners are still accusing Wuhan's lockdown as inhumane, saying China's COVID-19 fight shows the country lacks democracy and freedom, and individual rights are not respected. If 300,000 Chinese people died, their accusations would be like a nuclear explosion.

"Fourth, they would also accuse Chinese society of being barbaric and madly deny the legitimacy of the CPC's governance. They would tout Western civilization and declare that the result of the COVID-19 fight is a comprehensive victory of the Western system and culture. They would also brand China's political system as 'incurably bad.' Once any sign of unrest occurs in China, they will openly endorse the rioters at the official level, and tout the unrest as an 'uprising of people who are in desperation.'"

IMO, the Ds have set a trap for themselves; and if the people of Georgia are awake, they won't give the Ds control of the Senate. What the Jazz tune says about the unfaithful partner seems to apply here--I think you made your move too soon.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15 2020 18:23 utc | 17

"Had that investigation 'leaked' early enough it would have been excellent campaign material. By holding back, Barr essentially prevented Trump from winning:"
This is bullshit. Woudn't have made much of a difference. Most of the votes were not for Biden but against Tronald. A '24 Tronald campaign ist also bullshit. This man is politically spent like an atomic fuel rod is after use. And equally dangerous. A final waste depository is urgently needed. And when they find one, they can dump Biden right there too...

Posted by: pnyx | Dec 15 2020 18:29 utc | 18

@Posted by: pnyx | Dec 15 2020 18:29 utc | 18

Do not worry, Fauci has stated both should be vaccinated asap...

And I, for once and without serving as precdent, totally agree...with the Pfizer one..

The should follow Boris Johnson, instead of the British nurses, them Justin Trudeau, and so on those making vaccination mandatory for their citizens..

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Dec 15 2020 18:38 utc | 19

@15 Bemildred

I have equal respect for you and Saker. If you think he doesn't understand the domestic US scene very well, you should have read the piece he wrote somewhere in the last couple of years after he took a road trip across the country. It was, in my own limited view of the US populace, penetratingly resonant with reality. I wouldn't even know how to find that article now, but perhaps you read it?

Funny to see the troublemakers piling in on both b and Saker right at the start of the thread. These guys must sit by the wire waiting or something. They're the ones that the Saker moderators kept out ;)

And the straw man posted by et tu at comment #4 was an open thread that the Saker posted, asking for the greater wisdom of his commenters for opinions as to how this was going, not any position from Saker himself.

I don't understand why people want to denigrate other people for being open minded enough to publish differing views that they might not even as publisher agree with, or to entertain them, but that's what Saker does, and I value him for it, personally.

bevin's characterizations of Saker strike me as both appalling and incorrect - vk's too. That's all I have to say at present - no time - this is a quick lunch look at the state of the threads. Maybe I'll say more later, maybe not.

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 15 2020 18:46 utc | 20

@karlof1

IMO, the Ds have set a trap for themselves; and if the people of Georgia are awake, they won't give the Ds control of the Senate. What the Jazz tune says about the unfaithful partner seems to apply here--I think you made your move too soon.

Actually the D's winning and not doing anything for the people would tear the mask off of "the D's being for the people", the D's would then follow the Whigs into the dustbin of history. Hallelujah!

Posted by: Gazza | Dec 15 2020 18:47 utc | 21

The Saker doesn't know anything about the Russian Revolution, though pretends he does. His rants on 1917 aren't serious, and in fact push out stupid racist notions of a "Jewish Bolshevik coup." His family was probably on the losing side of the class struggle.

And that point is critical; it was a class struggle of the urban working-class on a vast, revolutionary scale.

Since the 1980s, the discipline of social history has revisited the Russian Revolution, and revealed the mass activism of the urban working-class and the mass support of the working class for the Bolsheviks -- and for the revolutionary insurrection of October.

See the work of academic social historians, David Mandel and Sam Smith, for example. They have gone through the records of all the workers' councils and soviets to grasp the popular nature of the revolution from below, and the necessity of the Bolsheviks' conquest of power.

The Saker knows nothing of this. He peddles stupid, reactionary ignorance.

He is best read for geopolitical SITREPS and balance-of-power dynamics between Russia and the Empire. His early work around Lebanon 2006 was also good.

Posted by: Prof K | Dec 15 2020 19:03 utc | 22

Trump will be 78 in 2024. He already looks old and tired. Those who are just eager to be afraid, or to put fear of Orange ManBad into our hearts need new material.

William Barr is CIA. His father Donald was 1947 original CIA. Barr Jr. worked five years at Langley while leisurely pursuing a law degree. No reason to believe he ever left the club.

That Trump employs disloyal dopes like Barr and Sessions is one of the prime reasons to find that Trump was never up
to the job. Or that he was never allowed to even try to do the job.

America has no politics. We substitute a quadrennial celebrity popularity contest for everything that would be politics. The 2020 election is over. Time to fire up the 2024 election. Here we go again.

Posted by: oldhippie | Dec 15 2020 19:07 utc | 23

@20 Grieved

This is just part of the strategy to attacked any truly progressive action and proponents. Attacks from the right are obvious and expected, but attacks from the far left are less obvious and are used to sow confusion and discredit progressive voices. The example of vk is obvious. A mix of far left rhetoric, attacks on progressive critics for not being suitably marxist, and support for neo-liberal government action on COVID. It's a pretty toxic combination. Saker is a decent source of information on Russia and the Russian sphere, as is this site for the middle east and Asia, but information on health issues and the US elections is not a strength. Not a problem, informed minds read widely.

Posted by: sad canuck | Dec 15 2020 19:08 utc | 24

Wow, the trolls are out today. Remember the rule of the Internet, accusers: pics or it didn’t happen!!!

Posted by: DougDiggler | Dec 15 2020 19:09 utc | 25

The Trump win in 2016 was a colossal mistake by America's overlords. Martyring him would risk a real and kinetic Swamp draining by the America public so they just squealed hysterically for four years and committed to having the 2020 elections fixed better. Even so that fix wasn't really enough and needed hundreds of thousands of votes worth of "adjustment" after the polls closed.

So, has Mexico's President AMLO called with congratulations for Harris/Biden yet? AMLO knows firsthand from 2012 what was done this year in the US, but he also knows that he needs to stay on the good side of the drug-running, gun-running, human-trafficking gangsters controlling the empire to his north or they will turn the violence in Mexico up a notch or two.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 15 2020 19:21 utc | 26

What exactly, exactly, does Trump need to pardon himself for? Muller was definite when he delivered his report that there was no Presidential immunity to prevent prosecution of Trump. (After the lunchbreak he confirmed this when he said he had misspoken in an earlier answer to Ted Leiu's question) I know there have been a lot of claims about all sorts of things (like he's a Russian agent, that he likes being peed on or something) but none of them appeared to have any substance, unlike for example, Biden boasting about firing Shokin who was investigating Burisma, Bill Clintons multiple trips on the Lolita Express, how HRC puts together a $1-2 billion "charity" fund while Secretary of State or how Nancy Pelosi is worth $100-200 million? after a lifetime of government service
I can see he might want to pardon himself to prevent malicious prosecution but again, What exactly does Trump need to pardon himself for.

For anyone who missed it, C J Hopkins excellent "Where's Hitler" https://consentfactory.org/2020/12/08/wheres-the-hitler/

Posted by: Ramon Zarate | Dec 15 2020 19:24 utc | 27

Gazza @21--

The editorial political cartoon in my newspaper today is quite correct in its depiction of Pelosi confessing to Santa she blocked the aid package, but such must be transmitted far and wide for the proper affect. The Ds are far more notoriously Neoliberal since it was they who've been allied with it since its importation @130 years ago. Also forgotten in the mists of time is the fact that the Ds have always been more Fascistic than the Rs, although with them now merged into today's Duopoly, that isn't as important as it was from 1933-1948, 1948 being the year Truman desegregated the Military and cast the Southern Ds adrift--a move he made to steal Henry Wallace's vast electoral appeal in July.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15 2020 19:31 utc | 28

Mr. Prof K

I am asking you: the so-called Kulaks - where did they fit into this grand scheme of class struggle?

Their liquidation as a class, what ideological purpose did that serve: were the Kulaks struggling against the Workers of Russia?

And this "class struggle" in Russia, was it anything more than organized thievery, appealing to the basest human emotions, naming envy?

In the United States, the owners of Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon - are they class enemies of the industrial working classes?

Or are they enemies of the programmers?

Posted by: fyi | Dec 15 2020 19:34 utc | 29

Re: "I am not sure that those are the real reasons why Barr is leaving. Trump was probably keen to see him go especially after it was revealed that Barr had kept a long running Justice Department's investigation of Hunter Biden secret. Had that investigation 'leaked' early enough it would have been excellent campaign material. By holding back, Barr essentially prevented Trump from winning:"

I believe another, even more proximate cause for Trump firing Barr was related to when Trump learned (belatedly/unfortunately) of Barr's apparent treachery/gross incompetence, from Maria Bartiromo's Sunday morning News program (12/13/20) interview of Sen. Ron Johnson.

The topic was Barr withholding from Johnsons [and Grassley's] Senate investigating committees, the hunter biden/Burisma laptop evidence that would have immediately exonerated Trump from the interminable b*llsh*t Ukraine-gate/impeachment 6 month-long side show from Aug 2019-until Jan 2020.

I have posted a synopsis of this interview already on the last open thread Posted by: gm | Dec 14 2020 2:52 utc | 79 .

You can go back and read what I wrote at #79, but unfortunately the key Fox video link of that interview with Sen Ron Johnson was pulled off of YT the following day.

I found another YT link here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVo8GZI7vQI to the same interview, but it was also pulled by YouTube today or last night.

You could see from the video that Sen. Ron Johnson was clearly honked off that Barr had not shared the exonerating Biden laptop evidence with his committee during the BS Ukraine gate impeachment trial.

The Bartiromo-Johnson interview video footage has been removed (not sure if the Overlords are letting Bartiromo have anymore face time on her Fox Biz channel show after her 'crime' of covering real news), but Epoch Times (via Zero Hedge) did a write-up of the Johnson interview about Barr/Hunter laptop evidence suppression.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/sen-johnson-congress-should-have-been-told-about-doj-hunter-biden-probe

Sen Grassley was likewise plenty angry about Barr hiding Biden laptop evidence from his Judiciary committee too. And said so in a tirade on the Senate Floor yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcLDnb9Cmg&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: gm | Dec 15 2020 19:47 utc | 30

DoJ investigations are supposed to be done in a way that doesn’t interfere with elections. It’s kind of important if one wants a functional government rather than an authoritarian cult of personality. Clearly, a lot of people would prefer an authoritarian cult of personality.

If the US makes it long enough, the “middle” comprising conservative Democrats and rational Republicans will melt into a single, glorious party of the oligarchy. The far right will be occupied by some strain of Trumpist/white nationalism and the left is yet to be determined. Let loose from the Democratic Party it might become a left-populist policy wing and likely gets significant support. Or the oligarchs have their grand party use the far right to crush the left (more likely).

Posted by: Lex | Dec 15 2020 19:48 utc | 31

For those fruitlessly arguing that there was no merit in chasing election fraud allegations, as a trained election observer, I'll say that your ignorance reeks of wanting bliss. I would say since at least the 2000 federal elections, and for many state elections there has been systematic internal fraud, that is rather easy to detect. It is just very difficult to prosecute, because election fraud always benefits one party or the other, and is never "balanced." Therefore it is a political crime and few courts have addressed this systemic, rampant barrier to legitimate elections in the American republic.

I could write a book on this just from the problems of Ohio, 2004 when Bush's campaign stole Ohio's electoral votes by engineering a close election win. Teams of observers from all parties observed and many chased it down for years. The 2020 election was like 100 Ohios (not by magnitude of state electoral votes, but the magnitude of methods). The astonishing audacity of blatant machine fraud in 2020 was unprecedented. In Ohio they were still using paper ballots in 2004.

Oh, an hour ago this just posted - You can read the headline in the URL:

https://en-volve.com/2020/12/15/breaking-arizona-senate-issues-subpoena-to-sieze-all-dominion-voting-machines-for-forensic-review-after-major-findings-in-michigan/

Posted by: Mediastan | Dec 15 2020 20:00 utc | 32

27 Cont'd--

In stark contrast to Pelosi's and most of the Federal government's behavior, I provide an observation made yesterday by President Putin at the online soaial forum of the Russia United Party:

"I have listened closely to what Andrei [Gimbatov] has been saying just now. I enjoyed it. And his very last words, I would say those were the most important: when people do good, they enjoy it. This is the meaning of life in general, in a broader sense. When you help your friends or even people you may not know, but who need your support, you get satisfaction from this. It is one of the most important incentives and most important tools for any person’s self-realisation. So, Andrei, thank you." [My Emphasis]

Thus the question's begged: What satisfaction do Pelosi and her ilk gain from destroying people they could otherwise aid? Or is it that they are indeed helping what they perceive as their "friend"--the forces that need the public destroyed!

The read at the link is rather short but greatly informative. United Russia is the type of socio-political party that needs to be built within the Outlaw US Empire. IMO it seems like a merger of the Salvation Army and the Communist Party--read what they do to discover why I think so. Another reason to read it is to see why United Russia and the Communist Party of China are as popular as they are within their respective nations--they are Morally Upstanding and as institutions beyond reproach in the most starkest of contrasts with the Outlaw US Empire's Duopoly, which is utterly immoral and corrupted beyond redemption.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15 2020 20:02 utc | 33

Kind of interesting. There still seems to be considerable debate as to the source of the virus, but all the known evidence seems to point to the US as the source. So much for the Wuhan virus. It may Turn out to be the Washington virus, or maybe the Republicrat virus.
https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/covid-19-un-explained/

Posted by: Bluedotterel | Dec 15 2020 20:05 utc | 34

I see b is shilling for Republicans now. This is cause he doesn't want Joe to get to get a Senate majority gaining the 2 Georgia seats, so Miser Scrooge Mitch can block all of Biden's legislation for 4 years and Trump gets to cakewalk in 2024. I see right through your game.

As far as Saker is concerned; he must be b's brother by another mother, except that b has a little more dignity, not pushing the Trump coup dressed up as election fraud too much while Saker is over the edge clearly high on the kult kool-aid or straight pimping Putin's favorite candidate shamelessly.

Posted by: Circe | Dec 15 2020 20:16 utc | 35

Re: DoJ investigations are supposed to be done in a way that doesn’t interfere with elections.

-Lex | Dec 15 2020 19:48 utc | 30

Actually that's more of a guideline...

That does not explain WHY Barr withheld/buried clearly exonerating Hunter evidence from the Congress impeachment machinery * ~a year before the election* (more than a year if you count the time since the Mac repair shop owner first contacted the FBI in August(?) 2019 about what he found about Ukraine shady financial dealings on the laptop, and the FBI dragged their feet and did not come and pick up for a few months until Nov(?) 2019.

Barr's inaction/suppression of evidence allowed Dems six-months time to dirty up the President, a year before the election.

Posted by: gm | Dec 15 2020 20:21 utc | 36

fyi @28--

In the United States, the owners of Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon - are they class enemies of the industrial working classes?

Or are they enemies of the programmers?

It must be noted that those corporations are public, not private, and thus have a multitude of owners. Now the CEOs and Board members are those that develop, exercise and manage corporate policy; so, I suggest you reframe your question with all that information in mind.

As for Stalin's campaign against those categorized as Kulaks, it must be seen in the overall battle by the Russian state to enforce the collectivization of agriculture which the Kulaks were thought to be resistors. My view is that Stalin used a Top->Down Cultural Revolution to break very longstanding modes of farm production that were actually more efficient than the initial attempts at collectivization which only brought chaos, terror, and famine to the farming regions.

One aspect of the Class War in US History is the fact that once the long drawn-out legislative battle to get Anti-Trust Laws enacted they were first used against Labor Unions, not the Trusts which they were designed to control.

Here's an important read, 1877: Year of Violence, you can borrow for two weeks if you're an Archive member. An Open Preview is here.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15 2020 20:34 utc | 37

Mr. karlof1

In other words, to my questions you have no answers.

So, the state, in principle, can destroy families and their livelihoods, in order to achieve this or that policy which has been conceived by those who wield power?

That is, a Kulak family has no right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness - sort of like Mao's Cultural Revolution that also resulted in death and misery for tens of millions of actual human beings.

Applied to the United States, the state aided and abetted the destruction of livelihoods of millions of people when cheap Chinese and Mexican labor became available.

So, both the Communists and the Capitalists destroy the livelihoods of actual real human beings in pursuit of an ill-defined future brave and beautiful progressive world.

Posted by: fyi | Dec 15 2020 20:46 utc | 38

Oh, I get it. The money to the proles is just a fig-leaf. The real money is going via the Fed to the usual suspects:
"As the U.S. government turned on the stimulus spigot in March, the Fed sustained its irregular intervention in the U.S. economy. By the summer of 2020, the Fed had expanded its balance sheet by $2.9 trillion — much of it unaccounted for, according to Fed-watcher John Titus (2020) — and financial observers were warning that “the market is no longer the biggest factor in selecting [economic] winners and losers” (Whalen, 2020). Titus (2020) concurs with this assessment, baldly characterizing 2020’s events as a Fed-led “coup d’état”. Titus (2014) has been chronicling major financial forces and legal changes since the 2008 financial crisis, describing how central banks are not only able to “loot” the American people “in broad daylight” but can do so without fear of prosecution — probably because, as Titus and Fitts (2020a) both point out, the Department of Justice depends on Fed member banks for its financial operations."

Posted by: j. casey | Dec 15 2020 20:59 utc | 39

"It may Turn out to be the Washington virus, or maybe the Republicrat virus."

-Bluedotterel | Dec 15 2020 20:05 utc | 33

I like the term coined by someone [Uncle tungsten(?)] here on MoA: the "Frederick Flu".

Posted by: gm | Dec 15 2020 21:04 utc | 40

fyi @37--

My initial intention wasn't to directly answer your questions @28, so I reviewed them with the aim of providing you with them.

Their liquidation as a class, what ideological purpose did that serve: were the Kulaks struggling against the Workers of Russia?

In addition to what I already provided, The Kulaks were not in any struggle with other workers of Russia. They were a construction of Stalin and destroyed by him in a manner that at bottom served no purpose.

And this "class struggle" in Russia, was it anything more than organized thievery, appealing to the basest human emotions, naming envy?

Not envy; revenge, just as with many prior revolts in Europe. And the ongoing "class struggle" known as the Class War is between the Class of Creditors, Rentiers, most Capitalists, and their political spittle--and it was the same then, although the temporal link with Feudalism was much shorter.

In the United States, the owners of Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon - are they class enemies of the industrial working classes?

Or are they enemies of the programmers?

Generally yes, but exceptions exist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 15 2020 21:17 utc | 41

Hey, Idiocrates -how suggestive a name- the poor performance of Russian operative Thesaker somewhere in Fla suggests that Putin and FSB are not doing well in the business. To say the least.
And have you noticed the moscovites are nt doing either, because no matter how much they pay their guest Ted Snowden, he does not show up with any leaks.
But to make a point I do believe the
election was rigged and turned upside down: because after 4 years of daily relentless, unending and plentifully funded attacks on the Donald, you re a genuine naiveté king if U suppose they would back down, mi$$ a chance or $pare the effort$ to down him where it counts: the four states ballot counting.

Posted by: augusto | Dec 15 2020 21:20 utc | 42

the "Frederick Flu"

👍

Posted by: blueswede | Dec 15 2020 21:27 utc | 43

karlof1 | Dec 15 2020 18:23 utc | 17

if only.....if only we could seriously do some analysis of how things are working and not just accept what we believe to be the proper thing to believe in. I guess in order to reach that place you either need a bit of grey matter or a suitable mind altering substance. I may be quite guilty of the latter...

or maybe it is a quicker route to the inevitable "game over". why do all the bumping and ninja flipping when the ball is going to eventually go down the middle anyway?

dunno, I have had a lot of extra balls and won a few games so my choice is to keep asking.

Posted by: dan of steele | Dec 15 2020 21:35 utc | 44

Mr. karlofi

So kulaks were destroyed wantonly - nothing to Justify or in any other manner Redeem their deaths, starvation, misery, and poverty.

So neither under Communist Rule nor under Capitalist Rule there is any solid and unassailable protection for human individuals and families; any rights enjoyed today may be lost on another day.

Which basically means the distinctions among Communism, Capitalism, Socialism, Anarchism, Syndicalism and whole bunch of other "-isms" are distinctions without substance when it comes to the protection of human substance.

Do you not agree?

Posted by: fyi | Dec 15 2020 21:37 utc | 45

Would someone please take some pity on those poor kulaks *teardrop*?!

Posted by: v | Dec 15 2020 21:37 utc | 46

Well, there's a seed in your post @ 32, karlof1 that perhaps you did not intend to put there, but since it goes along with a germ of my own, I'll extract that seed as follows:

...United Russia is the type of socio-political party that needs to be built within the Outlaw US Empire. IMO it seems like a merger of the Salvation Army and the Communist Party--read what they do to discover why I think so. Another reason to read it is to see why United Russia and the Communist Party of China are as popular as they are within their respective nations--they are Morally Upstanding and as institutions beyond reproach in the most starkest of contrasts with the Outlaw US Empire's Duopoly, which is utterly immoral and corrupted beyond redemption...

Here's my germ. Suppose, instead of clamoring for a Republican dominated Senate with the coming vote in Georgia, we instead insidiously murmur that the Democratic candidate ought to win out? After all, what we NEED is unity not division, and if we are going to have any political groups to aim at - at least, let them be unified! I'm tired of giving the supposed party in power the excuse that the other one is blocking what they could (and would) do without said opposition. So, let's have none! This time around they'll all be on the chopping block and I say aye!!!

So of course, it's not going to happen.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 15 2020 21:38 utc | 47

I just can't agree with the conclusion that this was all about "sticking it to" Trump. This was about aiding the transfer of vast amounts of real estate to Blackrock holdings. With evictions and single family foreclosures the largest manager of real estate in the US and maybe the world will acquire millions of properties. And sure, if you can stick it to the village idiot while doing that, even better.

Posted by: Babyl-on | Dec 15 2020 21:38 utc | 48

Posted by: Roger | Dec 15 2020 18:20 utc | 16
"Welcome to America! At some point a leader will emerge and the US will have its serf revolt. When? Who knows, the full force of the police, Federali, CIA, and army will be used to crush it. The only would be that the latter will not follow commands, thats how regimes fall."
That's how regimes fall? No.

Once entrenched fascist regimes are nearly impossible to get rid of. They must "burn themselves out." I see dark days ahead. Otherwise I agree with you.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Dec 15 2020 22:06 utc | 49

pnyx #18

A dump for Trump....

A final waste depository is urgently needed. And when they find one, they can dump Biden right there too...

I like that, thank you. But be sure they are well apart or they might combine to critical mass and give us Karma Harris - The recombinant clinton mega virus to haunt the world.

S #3 well said.

I see the treacherous democrats have fleeced their voters even before the inauguration. The treacherous dogs have settled for a radically reduced aid for their citizens. What a betrayal. The Squad of rats is supporting the class enemy and endorsing the future theft of US working people. Trump offered more - and the democrats demanded betrayal and then settled for less.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 15 2020 22:16 utc | 50

saker is somebody (a nobody, really, because it seems he's ashamed to use his name) who thinks he is a thinker, but is full of shit.

Posted by: albagen | Dec 15 2020 22:20 utc | 51

Barr probably didn't want to be the James Comey of 2020. Remember, Comey announced an investigation into Hillary Clinton just 10 days before the election and then mysteriously announced a week later that there was nothing to investigate after all. Everyone jumped all over him for costing her the election. ("Everyone" being the politicos and the MSM - the voters loathed the woman with good reason, so she probably wouldn't have won anyway.)

The thing is that there is nothing Barr could have said that would have really mattered. Hunter Biden, while a total jag-off and junkie, has not been under any criminal investigation. His taxes are being examined - as are Trump's, BTW - but he hasn't been indicted for anything, nor does this tax investigation involve criminal charges. A banking associate of Hunter Biden is under criminal investigation of some sort. However, neither the tax issues nor the bank investigation have anything (so far - and they have been looking into these matters for quite awhile) to do with Joe Biden, the guy who was actually running for office.

I'm old enough to remember the embarrassment of the Clintons, the Bushes, the Kennedys, and Jimmy Carter; all of them had relatives who were either indicted/convicted criminals, or who had been involved in scandals and financial improprieties while their family member was running for office.

Barr might have spoken out if there was more to this story, but SO FAR it isn't much more of anything remotely provable than the same damn tax stuff that Trump himself has been going through for years. And Barr would be in a position to know.

Still glad Barr is out the door now.

Posted by: teri | Dec 15 2020 22:21 utc | 52

fyi @ 47:

...Which basically means the distinctions among Communism, Capitalism, Socialism, Anarchism, Syndicalism and whole bunch of other "-isms" are distinctions without substance when it comes to the protection of human substance.

Do you not agree?

I agree, fyi, though karlof1 has the right idea, that morality is to be pursued best in a unified government. The sad thing is that so is perfidy. (The latter, however, can be unifiedly resisted!)

Posted by: juliania | Dec 15 2020 22:22 utc | 53

There is an update by Matt Taibbi in the past few hours. It concludes thusly:

It is of course true that McConnell has essentially vetoed multiple Democratic proposals, so it’s not accurate to say a failure to pass a new Covid stimulus bill is the fault of Democrats. The issue is that these post-election bipartisan negotiations are much more reflective of how the leaders of both parties perceive the crisis than anything said or done between the passage of the CARES Act, and Election Day. A few months ago, Pelosi was saying $300 billion for states and localities was an unacceptable insult; now they will take half that, and may end up taking nothing.

I encourage those who read the original to scroll down to the 12/15 update.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Dec 15 2020 22:26 utc | 54

@karlofi

Excellent read thanks! Yes unfortunately Henry was both right and thrown out and here we are today.

Posted by: Gazza | Dec 15 2020 22:30 utc | 55

Well I’m optamistic !!
That election wasn’t a war won, it was but one battle won.
I’ll repeat —- Biden didn’t win that election.
The silent peace loving public, BLM and Antifa won that election. It was won on the streets, the next battle for democracy will be the same. It is what it is. We will win that battle too. Our eyes are open, the foe is blinded by greed and hate.

Posted by: Mark2 | Dec 15 2020 22:32 utc | 56

FYI @ 28 and onwards:

Don't worry, the kulaks got their revenge when Boris Yeltsin became President of Russia in 1991.

Yeltsin's grandfather Ignaty Yeltsin owned a large farm in the Urals region until 1930 when it was confiscated by the Soviet government. Ignaty Yeltsin's children and their families went to live on a collective farm but Ignaty Yeltsin and his wife went into exile and Ignaty Yeltsin himself died in 1936. Boris Yeltsin would have been about five years old in 1936.

Now, how did the kulaks' delayed vengeance pan out for the rest of Russia while Yeltsin was President (1991 - 1999)?

Posted by: Jen | Dec 15 2020 22:35 utc | 57

juliania #48

Here's my germ. Suppose, instead of clamoring for a Republican dominated Senate with the coming vote in Georgia, we instead insidiously murmur that the Democratic candidate ought to win out? After all, what we NEED is unity not division, and if we are going to have any political groups to aim at - at least, let them be unified! I'm tired of giving the supposed party in power the excuse that the other one is blocking what they could (and would) do without said opposition. So, let's have none! This time around they'll all be on the chopping block and I say aye!!!

So of course, it's not going to happen.

Thank you but I propose an alternative. Every opportunity should be exploited to build a coalition of interests for a third party rather than any support for either R's or D's. Look at the Squad. All the leverage in the world and then - cave in to the threats and blandishments of the D machine. Not too many will trust the 'democratic socialists' to be elected as D's ever again I suspect. They have joined Bernie in smashing the 'hope for change' possibility and that has reinforced the 'hate socialism' rampant mantra of the elite in the USA.

The behavior of the democratic socialists is enough to confirm they are a front for the D's :o

So a coalition of interests at every poll - building the working class and unemployed and poor/low wage people is the only way to climb out of the pit. To do nothing is to lose today and to lose on behalf of your children's future.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 15 2020 22:37 utc | 58

@ Posted by: Grieved | Dec 15 2020 18:46 utc | 20

Perhaps we have different ideas of what a straw man actually represents.

"And the straw man posted by et tu at comment #4 was an open thread that the Saker posted, asking for the greater wisdom of his commenters for opinions as to how this was going, not any position from Saker himself."

Sorry, but that is factually incorrect to anyone with competence of the English language. I specifically quoted The Saker's words that led me to make my point, whereby he, in his own words states, and i repeat:

"is there ANYTHING at all left which could still prevent the Dem gang from stealing this election?"

Ok, and how exactly are they "stealing the election"? Crickets.

I looked at his comments thread, and it was one conspiracy nut after another, so i was calling The Saker out for offering a space for them to fester in their own deluded feedback loop of denial, without even offering the slightest bit of proof or intelligent analysis to back such a loaded statement.

In essence, how is that any different from Rachel Maddow profiting from Russiagate? How is this not a mirror image of Trump Derangement Syndrome? At least there was evidence of FBI and other Intel agency collusion, phone intercepts, emails etc... don't forget, we are talking about a force out of government stealing an election from the current government... exactly how is that going to be achieved, when Trump et al. could control every government agency, to the point where they picked 3 Judges on SCOTUS and could even sabotage the US Postal Service to suppress mail in votes? Yet 9-0 they still lost in the courts.

Pompeo and many others will all be out of a job soon... how did they all let this alleged conspiracy happen at their own expense? I know Trump is incompetent, but generally speaking, in countries where elections are corrupted, it is the incumbent Gov't in charge that tips the scales in its own favour, not the other way around. Swamp? How is there not a swamp already in charge, are you kidding?

Finally, The Saker is perfectly entitled to his point of view, but what proof has he provided on his blog to support it, other than links to Giuliani embarrassing himself with utter nonsense as he leaks mascara and sweats profusely, just to add to the whole farce of the entire affair?

As i said, in the end, i really do not care.. unlike The Saker's idealised admiration for Trump being some rogue, well-meaning patriotic peacemaker, I share his contempt for Biden and his warmongering corporate profiteer swamp to come, I just felt this particular thread was beneath him.

The End.

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 15 2020 22:38 utc | 59

Could Barr as AG have been a bar to pardoning Assange? Barr comes from a CIA family. His father was OSS. Barr's first employment after college was CIA.

Posted by: lysias | Dec 15 2020 22:44 utc | 60

On another note..

Am I the only one noticing the ultimate irony in Trump lamenting his own DOJ not sharing info on an investigation into Hunter Biden's alleged corruption, while the man who arguably helped him the most by uncovering his previous opponent's corruption (HR Clinton) is currently imprisoned by the actions of the DOJ?

Can we all agree that Assange, willingly or not, helped Trump secure the 2016 election?

Had Julian Assange been a free man, who knows how this election and many other world events could have turned out... all the more reason to free him ASAP.

Never get in the way of the truth.

Posted by: Et Tu | Dec 15 2020 22:58 utc | 61

If the election weren’t fixed, how is it that coincidences like the publication of obamas book is so perfectly timed to Biden’s selection. In order to restore obamas “legacy,” right on cue, his pitiful place in history, and all the pathetic, sad, self-aggrandizing meaningless drivel that individuals deserving absolutely no regard, aspire towards. as if it and or they were “important.”

Posted by: Geoff | Dec 15 2020 22:59 utc | 62

@Grieved (20). “Funny to see the troublemakers piling in on both b and Saker right at the start of the thread. These guys must sit by the wire waiting or something. They're the ones that the Saker moderators kept out ;)”

The troublemakers, in this case, are either trolls or ignoramuses. It’s best not to respond to them, and maybe they will go away.

Posted by: Rob | Dec 15 2020 23:35 utc | 63

Well lookie-there!

Just as soon as our Overlords officially stole the election from Trump'fair and square', the American Medical Association (AMA) reverses its former position adopted last Spring, against using hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) to treat early covid, and now recommends its use!?


Here

Posted by: gm | Dec 16 2020 0:11 utc | 64

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 15 2020 18:46 utc | 20

I've read the Saker with attention and interest at times, but when he talks about US politics I find him naive. That is all I had in mind to say. I can say pretty much the same about Lang and his site, but on the whole I much prefer the Saker. The particular problem with both of them is the idea that Trump is not a self-serving con man and has not always been exactly that. I tend to veer off shortly after I read that sort of thing. He's been a useful wrecking ball, that all I can give him.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 16 2020 0:14 utc | 65

fyi @46--

Thanks for your reply. No, respectively, I do not agree. Neither Communism or Socialism has arisen in the modern era given their definitions by Marx. However, throughout the vast majority of human history as I've written here before, the primary organizational structure was Socialistic, but isn't Socialism in its modern definition because there were no industries for workers to become owners. Read Marx! One major contradiction sees workers combining against their own interest through their pension plans that invest in corporate stock in companies that work against their interest. The Russian Revolution did not establish Socialism as Marx would define it whatsoever. The outcome was the trading of one form of Tyranny for another, Stalin being one of the worst despots to ever exist. But did he differ any from those atop Colonial Empires? No. Those people killed many millions, too; and those leaders are revered by many just as is Stalin.

So neither under Communist Rule nor under Capitalist Rule there is any solid and unassailable protection for human individuals and families; any rights enjoyed today may be lost on another day.

The closest form of political-economy to "Communist Rule" is China's system, but it still doesn't fit the definition as not all assets are publicly owned. And I know of no nation that's 100% Capitalist; all nations have a mixed economy. The second part of your query depends on the moral quality of a nation's government and its leaders, and most importantly the degree with which its citizenry can hold their leaders to account--specifically in relation to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which almost all nations have signed and ratified, the most glaring exception being the Outlaw US Empire when it was the brainchild of Eleanor Roosevelt.

Indeed, when examined and not even too closely, it becomes very clear that there was a break with the Liberalism of the Pre-WW2 era and that which emerged after the war. There was very little the citizenry could do to hold the government to account because that government was withholding vital information about its conduct--conduct that was both illegal and immoral. And despite the 2nd Amendment, the Outlaw US Empire remains just that as Trump just abetted the deaths of 300,000+ US citizens but was awarded almost half the vote.

I suggest taking a very close look at Nature and how it operates, then ask this question: As primates, can us humans evolve to the point where we eliminate all conflict over resources--are we Sapient enough?

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2020 0:28 utc | 66

@ Posted by: fyi | Dec 15 2020 19:34 utc | 28

The liquidation of the kulaks had little to do with ideology and more with the economy. The Soviet agriculture had collapsed again after the failure of the NEP, and a more radical solution had to be found. The new solution was to create giant collective farms.

Obviously, the kulaks were and would be against that, as it meant their destruction as a class. And they were right: they were destroyed as a class.

Not every kulak was killed. They were expropriated. Those who resisted to the end were killed, but a lot didn't resist too much and became normal peasants working for the collective farms.

The collective farms took time to show results (circa a decade), but eventually they would, and it became one of the pillars of the Soviet economy. The system worked so well that it outlasted the USSR itself, going through most of Yeltsin's reign. The extinction of the collective ownership of agrarian land was the most difficult political victory Yeltsin achieved, and it was done by force, against the will of the majority.

"Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness" is American liberal ideology. It was something the Founding Fathers invented to create legitimization to their newly founded country.

Posted by: vk | Dec 16 2020 0:29 utc | 67

Babyl-on @49--

Blackrock got its start with Obama in 2009.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2020 0:31 utc | 68

@ Posted by: fyi | Dec 15 2020 21:37 utc | 46

Another important thing to highlight: the kulaks weren't born organically, by merit. They were artificially allotted disproportional chunks of land by the capitalist reforms of 1861-1868. To put it simply, they were given the land by the direct blessing of the tsar.

Lenin stated, at the end of the 19th Century (see his Complete Works, volume I), that most of the Russian peasants were either landless or effectively landless (i.e. they were given a so small/unproductive piece of land that it couldn't sustain their own families; i.e. they were not sustainable). Without this mass of landless peasants, there was no way the kulak could even cultivate their enormous piece of land, let alone prosper. That is, most peasants in Russia already were proletarians.

That's why the vast majority of peasants were pro-collectivization.

Posted by: vk | Dec 16 2020 0:56 utc | 69

vk @68--

No, it was a maxim "borrowed" from John Locke.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 16 2020 0:58 utc | 70

Lysias @ 61:

I've read that William Barr's father Donald was headmaster of Dalton School (a senior high school) from 1973 to June 1974. Jeffrey Epstein (yes, that Jeffrey Epstein) began working at that school in September 1974 to teach maths even though he had not completed an undergraduate college degree and was in his early 20s. I do not know if Donald Barr had any influence or say in the school's decision to employ Epstein. Epstein taught at the school until June 1976 when he was dismissed - but not before he charmed Alan Greenberg who had children enrolled at the school. It was Greenberg who gave Epstein his next job at Bear Stearns and set him on his investment management career.

Curiously Donald Barr had a novel "Space Relations" published in 1973. According to Wikipedia the, uh, plot is as follows:

In the future, humans have formed an intergalactic empire ruled by aristocrats. During a time of war with the Plith, an empire of ant-like alien bug people, ambassador John Craig, a formerly Liberal Earth man in his 30s, is dispatched to the strategically important planet Kossar, a human colony that was settled by the Carlyle Society as a place of exile for political extremists and now is ruled by an oligarchical high council of seven nobles, each of whom is in charge of a different domain with its own traditions. Their boredom and absolute power have driven them to madness, to the point that Kossar's entry into the empire has been stymied by the Man-Inhabited Planets Treaty's clause (written by Craig) against alliances with slave owning societies, due to its practice of kidnapping humans to become illegal playthings of the galaxy's super-rich.

Craig, who now is campaigning to bring Kossar into the empire, had previously been to the planet when the passenger ship on which he was travelling on a return trip from the Betelgeuse Conference was captured by space pirates. While en route to Kassar, one of the pirates awakened Craig and the other prisoners to rape a 15-year-old virginal redheaded female captive in front of them; the rapist's fellow pirates later hear of this and dock his pay as punishment for spoiling her market value. Craig then spent two years as a slave of the beautiful, sensual, and sadistic Lady Morgan Sidney, the only female member of the oligarchy, with whom he became romantically involved. Together, they lived in her castle, ruling over and engaging in sexual relations with those under their dominion, including an enslaved teenager at a clinic used to breed enslaved people. When Craig stumbles on hints of an alien invasion, he realizes he must escape to save humanity.

Craig is depicted as undisturbed by Lady Morgan's sadism. When he is ordered to sexually assault the enslaved teenager, he enjoys his participation in the act.

Apparently the novel is now the subject of much speculation as to whether it may have influenced Epstein's attitudes towards teenaged girls and publishers have capitalised on public interest in it.

Posted by: Jen | Dec 16 2020 1:07 utc | 71

How long before the demented old man and his ho sidekick have us back in Syria? All the Trump haters here will all of the sudden became war hawks again now that the senile old man and his zionist SoS are in place.

Posted by: Mike Wallens | Dec 16 2020 1:20 utc | 72

gm #39

Thank you gm, I do use the term Fort Detrick virus as there are many information items that point there. Most of them have been posted here over the past year.

My trove is currently unaccessible due to a PC problem. But if you search for "Fort Detrick Lab closed" (2018 or 2019) or variations you will find some mighty alarming reports of abject safety breaches over a number of years. Do read the CDC reported reasons for closure and remember - this is the first time in US history that a military bio-weapons lab has been closed by a civilian authority !

The list of safety breaches at a BSL4 lab in the centre of a major US conurbation is truly extraordinary. They did not even have an adequate waste water treatment plant installed for years following a flood that destroyed the initial WW plant. The inadequately treated waste flowed into the local river. People from admin areas with no protective garments freely walked in and out of secure areas where they were busy surgically operating on monkeys.

This is the land of Love Canal, Flint, C8 and a criminal lack of environmental protection. Read 'environmental protection' as being callous and culpable disregard for human consequences.

When I get my PC restored I will post a summary of links.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 16 2020 1:22 utc | 73

karlof1 #42

In the United States, the owners of Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon - are they class enemies of the industrial working classes?

Or are they enemies of the programmers?

Generally yes, but exceptions exist.

Thank you karlof1 and, IMO they are primarily enemies of the consumers of their products.

They spy on them, they unduly profit from the consumer use, they drive out competition by their dominance, they exploit their workers and they use their extreme advantage to exploit States and counties to build their centre of operations. Through this latter point they further deprive communities of services that could otherwise be provided.

It is the consumers that drove their shares to high levels and I would posit that the consumers rightfully own more of their value than the shareholders. To truly collectivise those companies just appropriate shares from the peak holders and issue shares in some proportionate manner to the consumers and then see how that reallocation goes. It may need tweaking but then it would be a better approach than the mistake of collectivising the kulaks one and all.

All participants should be part of the collective. OK?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 16 2020 1:39 utc | 74

If you enjoyed seeing Libya bombed to bits, if you enjoyed Jihadi head loppers beheading innocent women, if you didn't mind that the government in Ukraine was toppled illegally.

Then you are overjoyed that Biden was able to cheat and occupy the Oval office.

Trump wasn't perfect but he gave the world a fighting chance and a breath from USA interference.

Enjoy the next four years you misguided fools.

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | Dec 16 2020 1:46 utc | 75

Karlof1 (various)

I enjoy and respect your postings. Keep them up,please!

About collectivism ( communism, Socialism and other leftist doctrines), I believe one should look at West Africa.

Beyond The Kingdoms of Benin and Dahomey, In most tribes East and south, the tribe was ruled by its elders,
sitting in Council. They vested the Chief with authority to enforce their decisions.

The land was tribal in possession, secured by war and tradition, and collective. The council of elders would attribute usufruct of the land to the initiated adults, as they emerged from initialisation procedures lasting several years.

Then, these being polygamist societies, the area was adjusted as a man acquired new wives and additional land was granted to his usufruct.

Land did not go to descendants.It was reattributed to ascending members of the tribe.

So, before Marx and other philosophers, Africa was living perfect communism.

The defect of such economic politics is that tribes fold upon themselves and shun progress.

Since progress is accelerated by ideas and information interchange with others the lack of interaction led to tribes that were happy in their habitat but easily preyed upon by governments that had acquired more technology through interchanges.

Posted by: CarlD | Dec 16 2020 2:15 utc | 76

Mr. Uncle Tungsten

The services offered by Google and Facebook are free. Nobody is forcing hundreds of millions of people to use those services. In what manner could providers of free services are class enemies of anyone?

In case of Microsoft and Amazon, there are alternatives to their products, such as Oracle, IBM, or Wal-Mart. What criteria are using to designate the owners and shareholders as class enemies of this or that social stratum?

Posted by: Fyi | Dec 16 2020 3:09 utc | 77

Mr. CarlD

Back to the Noble Savage, again?

Posted by: Fyi | Dec 16 2020 3:11 utc | 78

I am asking you: the so-called Kulaks - where did they fit into this grand scheme of class struggle?

Their liquidation as a class, what ideological purpose did that serve: were the Kulaks struggling against the Workers of Russia

Initially, the Russian Revolution was organized by blue collar factory workers and the peasants.

The Factory workers wanted a living wage and 40 hr work week.

The Peasants wanted land. They specifically wanted to expropriate the estates held by the nobility.

The peasants intended to operate their farms as independent businesses selling their products on the open market.

Not all peasants were equal. The oldest, most successful farmers had the largest holdings, and made the most money. They were called "Kulaks" by the Bolsheviks.

The Bolsheviks chose to short circuit access to farm products, especially grain, by seizing it at gun point.

This incensed the peasants, who organized revolts against the requisition squads. They were led by the Kulaks.

The bolsheviks for idealogical reasons, believed markets to be "evil" and they did everything possible to stamp them out. Hanging and burning at the stake were extensively used to crush the peasants int submission.

Stalin believed efficiencies could be gained by enlarging the farms to the point machinery could be used. He was not a farmer, and did not understand the importance of an experienced master managing his farm, in Russia's difficult climate.

Stalin exterminated the peasants, calling them "Kulaks" so as to justify his excesses.

The Saker is not descended from the White Russians of 1919. His ancestors were survivors of Stalin's purges. He came to the US after Kruschev. He is quite religious, and somewhat of a zealot in that regard.

He has great integrity, and tells it like he sees it. That is his value. I treasure him.

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 16 2020 3:32 utc | 79

Off topic... sorry...

“This flight is the result of the unification of two major programs of the civil aircraft industry in Russia - the MS-21 aircraft and the PD-14 engine. Through the efforts of scientists, designers, engineers, workers, a new generation airliner is being created, which returns our country to the top league of world aviation, "said Rostec CEO Sergei Chemezov.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvN05TYQdwc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjoHoNMvra

Posted by: Francis | Dec 16 2020 3:45 utc | 80

Mr. Dr. George W. Oprisko

Thank you.

So, another instance of plunder and pillage in which the individual and his family are crushed by the state.

Posted by: Fyi | Dec 16 2020 3:46 utc | 81

Again, sorry... right link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjoHoNMvra8

Posted by: Francis | Dec 16 2020 3:48 utc | 82

@79 Dr. George W Oprisko

That was a nice concluding paragraph, thank you.

I have to ask you - I have truly searched but cannot find - what does INDY stand for?

Posted by: Grieved | Dec 16 2020 3:58 utc | 83

@ albagen | Dec 15 2020 22:20 utc | 52

"saker is somebody (a nobody, really, because it seems he's ashamed to use his name) who thinks he is a thinker, but is full of shit."

His name is Andrei Raevsky.

He's pretty good when he's analyzing military matters, but he falls down a lot on other topics.

He once wrote 6,000 words trying to get his readers to hate gay persons, while simultaneously twisting himself into knots trying to get the reader to also believe that he's not a bigot.

He failed.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Dec 16 2020 4:11 utc | 84

When Trump selected Barr for AG I remember telling my wife "Barr's a bad guy." Actually, that's a pretty safe comment about many people who are chosen for power positions. IMO Barr was never Trumps "friend"-- he was a spy and a mole for the CIA. The CIA are Trump's enemy. Barr's life is totally entwined with the intelligence/surveillance state. His dad was OSS/CIA and hired Epstein to teach high school math in an elite prep school in the 1970s. Barr was a fixer for HW Bush in the 80s and beyond. I read Terry Reed's book in the late 90s about Mena Ark. where he tells his story of a meeting between Bill Clinton and William Barr. Barr flew in from D.C. and accused Clinton of skimming cocaine from the drug drops by Contra pilots as they delivered coke and picked up arms for their dirty war in Nicaragua. It's a fascinating story, reads like a spy novel. I think it's mostly true and would still recommend it. Barr only gets maybe a page but his threats are chilling and conform with what I believe to be standard mafia procedures. I can't prove anything about Barr but I do believe he is one of the top fixer/operatives domestically. Watch what he does moving forward... or he might fade into "retirement". He might have some dirt on Trump.
https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/342583.Compromised

Posted by: migueljose | Dec 16 2020 4:12 utc | 85

This just happened. Really.

I was watching an episode of a Netflix series titled Maniac
starring Emma Stone and Jonah Hill. The episode has the two
stars mentally linked and simultaneously participating in the same
nightmarish altered dream state. The dream is controlled by a psychotic machine
(for brevity this is more of a tiny glimpse than a synopsis). Emma Stone played an
undercover CIA agent in the dream and Jonah Hill was not who he appeared to be
but it was Emma's mission to help him fully realize his potential.

The episode finished so I closed Netflix and switched immediately to live
cable tv. Cable happened to be set to the channel with Christiane Amanpour.
She was interviewing Alexei Navalny about a report unveiling the truth about his
poisoning by Russian intelligence agents.

It grabbed my gut. I immediately thought to myself, these two, Amanpour and Navalny, are messing
with people's reality. They are two cogs in a propaganda machine and
some people in the audience don't even know they are experiencing a
manufactured reality - delusions.

It was heavy. One moment I am watching a dark comedy with
Emma Stone and Jonah Hill
and the next moment I am living in a dark comedy with
Christiane Amanpour and Alexei Navalny.

That just happened a few minutes ago. Really.

Posted by: librul | Dec 16 2020 4:58 utc | 86

The election is not over. Nine million patriots have plans for Biden and company.

Posted by: Nev | Dec 16 2020 5:30 utc | 87

Mediastan@31 You are right about election frauds. The case of Ohio in 2004 was well understood to have been extremely suspicious. Harvey Wasserman- with no Russians involved he was quite rational then- wrote several stories about what was taking place. As I recollect it there was a small airplane crash fatality involved, just after the election. There was a terror alert on election day and the Secretary of State was often mistaken for the rear leg of a dog.
If this election in 2020 was not riddled with every sort of fraud it will have been unique. And that fraud will deepen and expand in the coming years, now that the Republicans control so many States and a new re-districting is due.
The Democrats obviously like the system, it saves them the embarrassment that results when they are asked why they never carry out the desires of the base: no let up in the anti-union laws, no moves to lessen the accelerating inequality, no single payer Health system, no progressive taxation and, of course, no end to the incredible waste of money on Defense.

I stand corrected by Dr. George W Oprisko on the matter of The Saker's background, but only it seems on a detail. He is wrong about collectivisation however: Russian agriculture was always part of a collective culture, with land redistribution taking place, by communal decisions on a regular basis and on the basis of the needs of the peasants. The expropriation of those who tilled the land-the signature policy of British imperialism- and its enclosure as private property had not taken place in Russia. Successive Tsars tried to encourage it and Stolypin famously set out to do it but peasant resistance proved too strong.
So far as the Soviet Union is concerned it is fatuous to talk of the policies implemented by the CPSU except in the context of the state being under permanent and vicious siege. Both the beginning and the ending of NEP and the collectivisation of Agriculture, the seizure of peasant crops and the eradication of the Kulak class were all moves forced upon the government by the aggressive 'containment' policies of the Imperial world. Russia was forced to act in its own defence just as, today, Iran and Venezuela are being forced by economic sanctions and political and military aggression to prioritise defence over every other matter.
Thanks to sanctions and lawfare Venezuela is no longer able to use its oil wealth to improve living standards within the country and to win friends abroad by supplying, for example, subsidised heating oil in Boston and fuel in Haiti. Not only must it use every political resource to fight off imperialist attacks, but the commodities it trades in are excluded from most markets.
This was the situation that the Soviet Union faced, for most, actually all, of its existence. That plus constant subversion making internal political debate an invitation to foreign interference and the vast military campaigns of the successive wars after 1917 against the Revolution, the Nazi led attacks which culminated in Barbarossa and the long Cold War.
One can no more judge the efficacy of the policies of Bolshevism by the history of the USSR than one can assess the theology of the pastor of a Church in which one of the congregants has a machine gun and is massacring the rest.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 16 2020 5:47 utc | 88

@ Idiocrates

Whether deliberately or not those posting nonsense to the effect that Covid is either a hoax or greatly exaggerated are doing the Empire's work in assisting it...

That's ridiculous! If 'looking for truth' (by asking critical questions) implies assisting the Empire then tell me what isn't?

This sort of factual inversion was used to smear everyone who noticed the glaringly apparent lie of the 9/11 operation.

Posted by: fredo | Dec 16 2020 5:48 utc | 89

Thank you, uncle tungsten @ 59. Your alternative is a good one. There is a vast majority out there that is truly disaffected with both 'parties'. My 'solution' was only one for the immediate scenario of at least toppling the Senatorial 'leadership' position, and I'll admit to wishing Schumer's demise in that scenario, which seems an admitted pipedream.

But lest we lose heart, there is an oncoming generation I do have hopes for - I think they've been under the radar so far. That's my elder children's group, not baby boomers but the next lot. They're not as noisy about stuff as their older brothers and sisters but they got a kind of education that's lost to those coming after them. They are tech savvy (as I am not). And they've got children they do want to have a better future. They could be your (and my) kulaks. After all, Putin had parents. He didn't just come out of nowhere. There could be a Putin among them.

I raised my kids to shun war. So did many of my generation. We lived through the horror of the assassinations and the horror of Vietnam. The many mistakes which may or may not have been purposeful as the bloom came off the rose that had been a functioning democracy. My kids lost friends to drugs, to ghetto conditions that had worsened as families lost homes and jobs. They believed in civil rights; we taught them to, we sang those songs because we believed them. I have faith in them; I am proud of them.

I don't think it's about ideology. I think it's generational. Their time is coming, and we few left have to help them take the stage. If your way will do it, uncle tungsten, I am all for it.

Posted by: juliania | Dec 16 2020 5:52 utc | 90

Prof K @ 22. thinks The Saker doesn't know anything about the Bolshevik Revolution conducted by the Jews against the Russian Christian people and the Christian government lead by the Czar. . . Overthrowing Christianity and disposing of its leadership was a class struggle of the urban working-class on a vast, revolutionary scale.
<= Yeah Lenin and Leon Trotsky led it.

Prof K @ 22 goes on to say explain when the project to change history began..

"Since the 1980s, the discipline of social history has revisited the Russian Revolution, and revealed the mass activism of the urban working-class and the mass support of the working class for the Bolsheviks -- and for the revolutionary insurrection of October."

then prof k @ 22 points us to academics and their re interpretation of the Jewish violence associated to the Bolshevik..
he says: "See the work of academic social historians, David Mandel and Sam Smith, for example. They have gone through the records of all the workers' councils and soviets to grasp the popular nature of the revolution from below, and the necessity of the Bolsheviks' conquest of power."

next prof K 2 22 points out that the secret work of the academics trying to change the historical record which shows how Jewish led and financed violence created and developed the highly centralized nation state management system. How that same violence transitioned small mostly tribal religious communities into a single global herd of rule of law obedient sheep.
The nation state system allows Jewish law to rule and manage 8 billion people

Mr. K @ 22 says "The Saker knows nothing of this. He [the Saker] peddles stupid, reactionary ignorance."

But Mr. K, I think Saker is very aware of the effort to secretly change (erase and rewrite) global Jewish History (GJH)? Saker is telling the world about the Global erase and rewrite Jewish History (GERJH) projects in progress every where since 1949 . .

<==I hope you are not part of that change the history project which Saker often reveals in-parts to his audiences? To remind you Mr prof k. @ 22 <= Schiff took 190 or so men with him when he departed from NYC enroute to join the in-progress Bolshevik revolution(1919) in Russia. All these in-transit from NYC future Bolshevik Russian working folks were detained a few days in Canada, but on arrival to the in-progress Russian revolution, these NYC Russian working class revolutionist found themselves to be the occupiers of most of the prominent government jobs in the new Bolshevik Russia.

Schiff is the same guy that financed the 1905 Japan war against the Czar.. and the same Schiff that financed much of the Bolshevik revolution. Have a look at the failed CUP revolution in 1905 in the Ottoman empire <=also financed by Schiff in NYC, and the Ottoman route of the Jewish rascals at Salonika, the same whose relatives Spain and Portugal 1492- 1501 deported.. these Jewish fat cat ship owners and slave traders deportees were not satisfied that the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire had protected the deportee wealth and allowed them to continue their un human business practices at Salonika (top of the Mediterranean), so the Spain, Portugal and Salonika deportees (SPS deportees) tried first to over throw the Sultan ruled Ottoman empire <=wanted the oil beneath the Ottoman land ( by infiltrating the CUP ). The Sultan defeated the coup attempt by the SPS deportees and disperse the Salonika occupants [the about half of the SPS deportees immigrated to NYC (about a million, Wilson era), and the other half immigrated to St. Petersburg Russia where SPS deportee wealth and corruption was used to finance and instigate regime change of the Czar government, using Antifa tactics and media propaganda the SPS slave trading and ship owner deportees finally pulled off the Bolshevik Revolution of 1919.
IMO erasing violence used to force the global nation state human control system into place is a great follow on to the Genetic change one should expect when ordered to be injected with one of the new GMO vaccines.

Posted by: snake | Dec 16 2020 6:00 utc | 91

On the subject of alternatives to Amazon. Try Banggood to get away from feeding the tyrant. You wont get it next day but you will get it and securely.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 16 2020 6:55 utc | 92

Re: uncle tungsten | Dec 16 2020 6:55 utc | 92
I knew nothing of banggood until I followed your link and have just gone to the about page
https://www.banggood.com/aboutBanggood.html
What are "conspiritologists" and observers of signs to make of the top photo - eg the woman's one eye pose?

Posted by: tucenz | Dec 16 2020 7:08 utc | 93

fyi @ 28

I am asking you: the so-called Kulaks - where did they fit into this grand scheme of class struggle?

Excerpts from a speech by Stalin on why they eliminated the Kulaks, they were standing in the way of industrialisation and collectivisation of food production.
… Can we advance our socialized industry at an accelerated rate as long as we have an agricultural base, such as is provided by small-peasant farming, which is incapable of expanded reproduction, and which, in addition, is the predominant force in our national economy? No, we cannot. Can Soviet power and the work of socialist construction rest for any length of time on two different foundations: on the most large-scale and concentrated socialist industry, and the most scattered and backward, small-commodity peasant farming? No, they cannot. Can Soviet power and the work of socialist construction rest for any length of time on two different foundations: on the most large-scale and concentrated socialist industry, and the most scattered and backward, small-commodity peasant farming? No, they cannot. Sooner or later this would be bound to end in the complete collapse of the whole national economy.

Stalin on the Liquidation of the Kulak

Posted by: Down South | Dec 16 2020 7:14 utc | 94

vk @ 70

That's why the vast majority of peasants were pro-collectivization

Utter bullshit. Stalin eliminated the very same peasant, subsistence farmers that were standing in the way of Soviet policy to industrialise food production as he believed they could not through their subsistence farming methods produce enough to support the national economy.

Posted by: Down South | Dec 16 2020 7:36 utc | 95

"All 538 electors voted Monday in the Electoral College, formalizing President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election."

Looks there are 6 or 7 states which sent dueling electors.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/exclusive-six-swing-states-pa-ga-mi-wi-az-nv-new-mexico-pick-slate-electoral-delegates-president-trump-joe-biden-means/

So when on January 6th 2021 VP Pence is doing the actual counting this Biden victory may still proof to be an illusion.

Posted by: JR | Dec 16 2020 7:42 utc | 96

juliania #90

Thank you for your response. It seems that a primary awareness in all changemakers minds is to recognise the dangers of having elite control outside of democratic appointments. I am certain there needs to be governing bodies but they must be both term limited and accountable to an electorate that appoint/guides them. They also need to be challengeable in administrative courts that are free from being rigged.

That is a gross (and inaccurate) simplification of how the Chinese system is regulated. Its not universal suffrage but rather universal suffrage for party members - ie you can be involved or opt out of the policy/decision making mechanism and remain a consumer of the state and private service delivery system and not suffer retribution.

There is an anarchic or syndicalist sense to that as one is able to engage in the trade/commerce at the local level be it consumer or artisan or worker or farmer.

The redistribution cycle that accompanies revolutionary action needs to be equitable and not detrimental to the masses. Yes it will be detrimental to the gross accumulaters but too bad. Much horded wealth will be spirited away in offshore havens etc so currency change will be a necessity along with Tobin tax provisions.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 16 2020 8:28 utc | 97

JR #96

So when on January 6th 2021 VP Pence is doing the actual counting this Biden victory may still proof to be an illusion.

Thank you for that amusing post. The Gateway Pundit sure can't write but I get the picture. I could really enjoy watching such a fiasco live with tequila shots for every mad or maddening moment.

Imagine having Pelosi as a fake compromise president. That is a form of madness that the MIC and its terrorist friends deserve.

To think that the USAi struts around the world demanding democracy of all and yet it can only elect farce.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Dec 16 2020 8:44 utc | 98

WoW judging by the comments it seems that full moon comes early this month.
The gates of the liberal left underworld are wide open.

Posted by: Daniel Martin | Dec 16 2020 9:43 utc | 99

@ Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Dec 16 2020 3:32 utc | 81

The numbers tell you're lying.

By 1898, the vast majority of the peasants in Russia were effectively landless (i.e. their land was too small for their own subsistence). This Lenin demonstrated with official statistics: most peasants had to work the lands of the kulaks to survive. Which means most of them were de facto proletarians, not peasants - to say otherwise would induce us to make absurd conclusions, for example, that Brazil is a feudal country.

The kulaks weren't "the oldest and most successful peasants". They were an artificial fabrication of the czar, who arbitrarily expropriated and redistributed the land during his 1863 capitalist reforms. The serfs of the government - only freed in 1866/8 - were outright landless. The kulaks are fruit of direct and violent State intervention and expropriation, not of hard work by successful peasants.

Even this little story (on the artificiality and meritlessness of the kulaks) is irrelevant, as, with the NEP, the kulaks immediately begun to hoard grain and to starve the cities to death. They speculated - like those worms from Wall Street today - on the price of food in order to gain political dominance and luxury for themselves. They tried to re-feudalize Russia.

Collectivization definitely worked. Before collectivization, the Russian Empire/USSR had a history of more than 500 famines in a little bit more than 1000 years of history - almost one every two years. the USSR itself had three famines - one right before the NEP (it was the reason the NEP was created in the first place), one during the NEP (which was the reason it ended) and the "holodomor", which was caused by a new mutation of lice or rust, right at the beginning of the forced collectivization. Forced collectivization was finished at the end of the 1930s, right before WWII in Europe. After WWII was over, the USSR never had any other famine - 60 years straight. I don't think you'll find such a streak in Russian History, and Yeltsin had a lot of difficulty ending the collective ownership of agricultural land (he only achieved that in 1996, after a five year struggle against public opinion and the Duma).

I also have integrity and tell it like it is. The problem with The Saker is that he pictures himself as some kind of unique story, when in fact he was the fruit of mass immigration - one of the many in American history. His story is not special, he is not special, he is just one of the many Soviet refugee propagandists of the Cold War that I'm tired of reading. He's just another Cold Warrior who just happened to be alive in the 21st Century.

Posted by: vk | Dec 16 2020 12:04 utc | 100

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