I get that there is horse trading going in behind the scenes as shot callers buy and sell politicians like soccer teams trade footballers.

The problem that the elite have is that Trump really fired up the working class/deplorables/ record number of blacks and Latinos who thought they genuinely had someone looking after their interest after being fucked over for decades by both the Republican and Democrat party.

What struck me is the enthusiasm generated. These people are really fired up. That rally’s that were held look like a rock star had come to town, people lining the streets for kilometers just to see him.

And what happened? The elites fucked them over one more time but carrying out one of the most audacious, brazen electoral frauds that left 3rd world banana republics run by tinpot dictators in awe.

Now to you this horse trading may be business as usual but I think that this is going to be the straw that breaks the camels back. I think it was Kennedy that said that those who make peaceful change impossible may violent revolution inevitable.

Those of you who think those deplorables are going to roll over and play dead one more time don’t understand what’s called Trumpism. He wasn’t just another bought and sold Establishment politician both Republican and Democrat, to them he was one of them you could see in the way he spoke at rally’s to the people and the way they responded to him.

The fraud was so blatant and brazen that the system has effectively disenfranchised them. I think there is going to be hell to pay!

Posted by: Down South | Nov 8 2020 10:01 utc | 1

What makes the author think the recount pricetag is a real problem for the Trump campaign? If Jill Stein can raise $4 million from HRC supporters for a recount in 2016 then Trump supporters can certainly cough up a few bucks too?

Posted by: rockstar | Nov 8 2020 10:05 utc | 2

Perhaps some evidence of this alleged election fraud will come forward, otherwise it's simply sour grapes and delusional thinking. A Biden presidency should be good for Murdoch's business.

Posted by: Mike Adamson | Nov 8 2020 10:09 utc | 3

- This is odd. Because the New York Post also had VERY sleazy pictures of one Melania Trump. Trump cooperating with Murdoch ?
- The millionairs and the billionairs (e.g. Murdoch, Mercer) got what they wanted from Trump: (corporate) taxcuts. And they won't shed a tear now Trump is gone.
- Biden, Trump or (Hillary) Clinton, they are all corporate sock puppets.

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 8 2020 10:10 utc | 4

I'm amazed by the power of the media.

The media is the greatest enemy of mine right now.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 10:24 utc | 5

Debsisdead might have added that nearly 50 years ago when Octopus Inc (more usually known as News Corporation) was confined to Australia and Britain, Rupert Murdoch supported Gough Whitlam and the Australian Labor Party against the incumbent Liberal-National (or Liberal-Country as it might have been) coalition in Australia. After the ALP gained power in 1972 and Whitlam proceeded to create something resembling social democracy in Australia, Murdoch then withdrew his support and began a campaign to bring the ALP government down.

Eric Beecher, "Murdoch's power: how it works and how it debases Australia" (InDaily, 3 November 2020)

Posted by: Jen | Nov 8 2020 10:24 utc | 6

Well, maybe
But the old guy is probably just humoring his supermodel wife

Posted by: Flyod | Nov 8 2020 11:14 utc | 7

I believe one of the articles I referenced in the earlier thread mentioned that Trump campaign people are quietly, but not explicitly (since apparently it's illegal now that the campaign is over) soliciting funds from Trump supporters, allegedly to pay for the legal costs of pursuing these lawsuits and the recounts. I can't remember which article it was and I'm not motivated to go look it up again, as I couldn't care less what financial problems the Trump campaign might be in. Also IANAL so I have no idea what the legal issues are around begging for more money at this juncture. That's just what I read.

What happens if Donald Trump refuses to concede 2020 presidency after losing the US election?

It came after Mr Trump's campaign issued an extraordinary email soliciting donations to a legal fund to challenge election counts.

The message headed "FINAL NOTICE" was sent out to supporters who had yet to contribute. It said: "So far, you've ignored all our emails asking you to join us in DEFENDING THE ELECTION.

"TENS OF THOUSANDS of Patriots have stepped up for the VERY FIRST TIME in the last 48 hours - why haven't you?"

The goal was to raise at least $60 million (£45.6m) to fund legal challenges brought by Mr Trump. Astute readers of the emails were quick to notice the fine print, which said only half of donations would be used on legal fees, with the balance being used to pay down campaign debt.

Then there's this: "Donations to DJTFP’s Recount Account will be used solely in connection with any post-election recounts and election contests and not for the purpose of influencing any federal election."

And this: Trump unhappy with legal team's lack of major impact on election count. I guess his lawyers can look forward to "You're fired!"

As an aside, who cares if Murdoch called the race? Who cares if journalists act surprised about Murdoch's actions? Everyone knows Murdoch is a creep and has too much influence via his media empire. He's the guy the James Bond movie "Tomorrow Never Dies" lampooned by making the villain a media mogul who tries to start WWIII in order increase ratings.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 11:24 utc | 8

@ #1

"I think there is going to be hell to pay!"

There may be but the problem is that the elite have trained most Americans to hate and kill each other instead of the elite. Most Americans still cannot think outside of the partisan box to this day despite the evidence being right in front of their face.
They still blame the government for their fate like they were indoctrinated into doing by Ronny Ray-gun and those that followed him.

It's like they get hit over the head with a shovel and get so mad at the shovel they don't notice the person swinging it.
Anything is possible, but I don't have much faith in the American people anymore. When it comes time to pay it usually ends up being whoever is standing in the wrong place at the wrong time or some low level useful idiot.

America is getting ready to see first hand how it's foreign policy works around the world and what it means to be on the other end of the empire.

Stay safe and sane folks, this chapter of the human condition is closing. Who knows what the next chapter holds.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 11:25 utc | 9

@#5
"I'm amazed by the power of the media.

The media is the greatest enemy of mine right now."

Wrong, the people that own the media are.
Don't fall for the misdirection, the media was purposely consolidated by the elite in order to sell you a pig in a poke sack.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 11:32 utc | 10

"... doesn't matter since Biden will do what they want anyhow."

Exactly. Why stress about it? Rooster one day; feather duster the next.
It's not like Trump is going back to a poor civilian life in the ghettos!

Same policies -- more environmentalism, maybe until the Koch Brothers turn up with their checkbooks. Iran and China fronts will settle down some, while Syria, Libya and Ukraine etc will flare up. Back to business-as-usual. Tuesday Drone kill lists anyone?

Posted by: imo | Nov 8 2020 11:44 utc | 11

What a tool! Even if this were true, which it's not--I DON'T CARE! You don't get it! Trump was a nuclear b💣mb for societal evolution. I would have pushed him out the door myself if I could. He's lethally toxic and evil.

I'm tired of down is up, black is white, moral disintegration and everything is a conspiracy when things don't meet your selfish expectations.

I can't wait to see orange blob, his sewn-in hair piece, his hypocritical, condescending plastic doll with heavy Russian accent and all his freaking LIES pushed out the door.

I want normal, decent, boring and a first lady without so much pretension. I want reality, not a damn reality show!

F**k Trump, F**k trophy wife Melania and F**k their entitled yammering spawn who were dreaming of a fascist dynasty!

I can't wait til they're gone. ADIOS, sore losers.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 8 2020 11:47 utc | 12

"I want normal, decent, boring and a first lady without so much pretension"

You want to go back to sleep. WTF does the first lady have to do with anything?

"I'm tired of down is up, black is white, moral disintegration and everything is a conspiracy when things don't meet your selfish expectations."

You actually believe this moral disintegration started with the orange turd ? You're ingesting way too much media and anyone can tell by the hissy fit you just posted.

"I can't wait to see orange blob, his sewn-in hair piece, his hypocritical, condescending plastic doll with heavy Russian accent and all his freaking LIES pushed out the door.

You like the softer sweeter prettier lies and veiled condensation of the blue brand better ?

The world will be a better place when the blue bombs replace the red bombs and the blue team takes over the siege warfare on anyone and everyone that refuses to pledge fealty to our Lords and Ladies ?

Get over yourself please, no one likes a sore winner any more than they like a sore loser.
Your petty and substance free frothy emotional tantrum makes you sound like a petulant child.
Do try to at least act as if you're an adult please.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 12:10 utc | 13

"...when it comes to collecting and using compromat"

Sorry to be pedantic, but I believe the word's spelled 'kompromat'.
'Compromat' looks awful.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Nov 8 2020 12:14 utc | 14

Debsisdead believes the Russia hoax. See his comment at The Saker

"If he is in bed with Putin, it might be time to renew and fortify old acquaintances."

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 8 2020 12:15 utc | 15

imo @ 11

I have two overriding memories of Obama, the Nobel Peace prize winner:

1) Kill list Tuesday as you point out and
2) America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 8 2020 12:41 utc | 16

J. Edgar Hoover abandoned Joe McCarthy when he began to hit real resistance in the Army hearings in 1954. We see the same pragmatism from Murdoch.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 8 2020 12:43 utc | 17

Perhaps b can comment on the enthusiasm of Heiko Maas to Biden becoming president-elect? He wrote a thread of 5 tweets in congratulations. "Wir wollen in unsere Zusammenarbeit investieren, für einen transatlantischen Neuanfang, einen New Deal." I think many of who live us in the Trans-Atlantic region would be curious to find out more about that.

https://twitter.com/HeikoMaas/status/1325144449819832320

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 8 2020 12:43 utc | 18

The media is the greatest enemy of mine right now.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 10:24 utc | 5

Please don't do this. You're a walking reverse curse, like Gordon Chang.

Every entity you declared your enemy has thrived so far and I really hope to see the colossal media empires collapse in my lifetime.

Posted by: Anderson | Nov 8 2020 12:47 utc | 19

Well at least there was no foreign influence like 2016.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Posted by: JoeG | Nov 8 2020 12:51 utc | 20

@Posted by: Down South | Nov 8 2020 10:01 utc | 1

Very well said.

Trump also has cultivated assiduously from Day 1, the support of the rank and file military and police, He also added some 300 new federal judicial appointees, not to mention 3 new Supreme Court judges who he fought hard to get approved.

I don't think money will be the limiting factor to stop this bald-face and obscene election theft. It will be time.

Posted by: gm | Nov 8 2020 12:54 utc | 21

There are those who say the empire will not now restart "Project for a New American Century" because that doesn't make sense. It would be irrational for America to do that. These people have for some reason forgotten that PNAC has always been irrational from the very day it was first proposed. PNAC being based upon exceptional delusion had never been an impediment to the US pursuing it before, so why would that hold America up now?

Some headlines:
"Many world leaders express hope, relief after Biden win"
"World Leaders Rush to Congratulate Biden"
"World Leaders Celebrate Biden-Harris Win"

The empire now has a grace period in which to do ultraviolence, and imperial vassals will back that ultraviolence 100%. US troop levels in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria will now begin to "surge" even while Trump is still in office. Fools will say "See?!? I told you Trump didn't really want to stop wars!" but in fact the Pentagram will simply be ignoring the Trump administration and preparing for what they know the Kamala administration will be demanding (they already know what their orders will be). Hopefully the "Axis of Resistance" is not as foolish as the residents of the empire who are heaving sighs of relief over the return to normalcy, since "normal" for the empire is endless and unrestrained violence.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 12:57 utc | 22

Yeah come to think of it, Murduch has reason to be pleased.

Most US news media are about to lose their record audiences, as Dems cool off their rage, while FOX news gets to keep the full engagement of their audience. If the swing is big enough, a possible opportunity for Murdoch to knock out or buy out cable news rivals and further expand his media empire.

Posted by: ptb | Nov 8 2020 13:08 utc | 23

Deep South @ 1 & Dave @ 5

Excellent points!

I've only one name to toss into the mix: Charlotte Corday.

How many Corday inspired Trump supporters will it take to send America's political/media aristocracy fleeing?

The Davos Crowd, like the Neo-Cons, continue to do what they do because they never pay a personal cost for their actions. Make it personal and I imagine these people will show us what cowards they really are.

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 8 2020 13:14 utc | 24

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 8 2020 12:43 utc | 18

Heiko's new deal: I think they are just greatly relieved to be rid of Trump. He is a bit abrasive. Biden's dministration can be expected to be more civilized and less amateurish, perhaps less likely to get into a big war by accident, but I would not assume it will be better for the EU (Remember "Fuck the EU"). Biden's always been a lightweight and a tool politically here, no telling what he might do now he is the big man, and I would not assume he is senile as portrayed. Ms Biden appears very protective of her husband too. And Biden has "been around" Senator, VP, candidate, forever, he is no genius, but is not naive in any sense.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 8 2020 13:15 utc | 25

One of The Saker's questions is: Why is it that Fox News was spearheading the anti-Trump cheering during this entire week?

My answer was the obvious to those not oblivious:

Only foolish tools would have ever thought Faux's support of populism (and most likely Trump's as well in my not so humble opinion) was ever genuine, which is most Trump Chumps and Faux viewers which overlaps nearly perfectly as far as I can tell.

Deception 2020 makes the Romulans look like kindergartners and the members of the Deep State and Shadow Government look like PhD. Professors when it comes to either way you lose and we win.

Nice to know MoonofAlabama gets it, and even brought up things I did not know or think about if I did.

Posted by: William Haught | Nov 8 2020 13:25 utc | 26

You're speaking of two completely different issues:

1) Biden will be a weak POTUS, with a very precarious government;

2) Trump really did lost the 2020 elections.

As I've said before: if you don't accept the objective fact the USA is in decline, you'll be faded to believe in conspiracy theories. The truth is that the Empire is declining in general, in almost all of its societal aspects: Trump and Biden are just symptoms of said decline.

The elites are doing what the elites do: scrambling to save the system.

Posted by: vk | Nov 8 2020 13:35 utc | 27

@ Anderson

Interesting, like what exactly?

I don't think I have made my list of enemy very public on this site.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 13:53 utc | 28

@Posted by: ptb | Nov 8 2020 13:08 utc | 23

Disagree. This is *not* helping Fox/Mordoch's ratings/bottom line. There is some other factor driving the sudden change at Fox (and no, it is not because anyone seriously *believes* the gaslighting hogwash the CCC (creepy corrupt corpse) was dragged over the finish line by honest means).

[Speaking of corpses, ( and apologies to karlof1 or others who may have already shared this) here is good Pepe Escobar essay: https://www.unz.com/pescobar/banana-follies-the-mother-of-all-color-revolutions/ ]

If you read comments on Trump supporter (the overwhelming Fox audience) sites like Conservative Treehouse, Gateway Pundit etc, they are uniformly outraged by the U-turn (they see as sellout/betrayal/jumping on the fake media gaslighting bandwagon) at the network, and are now begun boycotting, and cancelling subscriptions to the new Fox streaming service.

Anger Grows Among Fans Of FOX News Over Network’s Coverage Of 2020 Election

WOW! FOX News Cancels Judge Jeanine on Saturday to Spew their Nonsense that Joe Biden Won Election

Posted by: gm | Nov 8 2020 14:01 utc | 29

As predicted by me from the very start - in direct contradiction to b. - the Armenian defence in Nagorno Karabakh has imploded. The one remaining road to Armenia is clogged with fleeing civilian traffic. Shusha is either under direct attack or has already fallen, depending on who you believe (even the Armenian side admits to "repelling attacks" on the town). Once Shusha falls Stepanakert is indefensible and once Stepanakert falls all that's left is to sign the unconditional surrender. The whole war has been such a mishandled disaster for Armenia that one can only imagine that Pashinyan wants to lose it in order to get an excuse to quit the CSTO and join NATO.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 8 2020 14:09 utc | 30

@27

"1) Biden will be a weak POTUS, with a very precarious government;"

True because only the weak get (s)elected to be POTUS in an oligarchy.

"2) Trump really did lost the 2020 elections."

False because the (s)elections are merely bread and circus designed to keep the peasants believing they are stake holders in the political process.

Trump may be brash and vastly ignorant about a lot of things, but he knows how to work a crowd and manipulate the press as well as how to exploit people. His problem was he thought he could get away with exploiting the owners of the US empire and publicly humiliate them long term. It's really kind of stupid when you think about it. Where was he going to hide ?

He may be a slime bag just like the elite are but he waaaayy underestimated the ruling elite's reach and determination. Donny has never been anything but greedy and that's such an easy trait to exploit. Especially when you've got centuries of experience doing so and a first hand relationship with it.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 14:09 utc | 31

What's the going forward with the Azeri-Armenia war?

Is the scenario where US "intervenes" on the Armenia side and establish a NATO base there with Turkey remotely feasible?

This is interesting to me because Obama supported the kurds and tried to coup Erdogan while Trump let Erdogan be his ME sheriff, I just wonder if Biden will continue Obama policy and "deal" with the turks in Armenia to gain peacekeeper cred.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 14:16 utc | 32

@29

"Disagree. This is *not* helping Fox/Mordoch's ratings/bottom line."

In the short term you may be right, but think about long term.

Look at how easily all the so called "left" leaning outlets shat on most of their audience and got away with it.

People keep forgetting we live in the times of zombie corporations that do not need to make a profit.

Ask any Rockefeller or Lord Bezos, they'll tell you.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 14:18 utc | 33

@ dave

Big Tech lives on traffic and metadata, the only way you can fight it is with strong government regulations, and even then it might not be enough, see China's own attempts to fight their Big Tech head honchos.

As technology advance, we are getting deeper and deeper into technological dystopia.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 14:22 utc | 34

@34

You keep missing the fact that your government and big tech are all owned by the same people.

You can't govern the owners that own your government. They simply make it illegal for you to do what they are doing and impossible for you to stop them.

It has nothing to do with governments and everything to do with elitist cabals fighting for control over one another.

Until you kill the concept of their being an elite among human kind, this shit show will continue on just like it has for centuries now.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 14:32 utc | 35

@ dave

Agreed.

Big tech is just a tool of the elites, but the issue is it is getting increasingly harder to organize as Big Tech becomes more advanced and the younger generation becomes more connected/attached to Big Tech.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 14:36 utc | 36

Where the hell is Trump gonna find the dough to force recounts in the multiple states he believes he was robbed.

_____________________________________________
That is a stupid question...
The green party paid for the 2016 Wisconsin recount when Trump won. The Greens asked for donations to pay for it and received more donations than the recount cost.

Anybody who thinks trump can't raise the money to fund recounts and court challenges is astoundingly ignorant of what is happening in the US. There are tens of millions of people who will eagerly fund whatever the cost.
What Biden partisans seem to ignore is that trump got more votes in this election than any candidate has ever received in any past election in the US. They act like trump has no supporters.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 8 2020 14:50 utc | 37

So let me get this straight ...

... we are told that the "Deep State" hates Trump and is in league with the Democratic Party to unseat Trump at the earliest opportunity but ...

... Murdoch! He's the real villain.

<> <> <> <> <>

When will people wake up and see the games being played? The Democratic Party "Deep State" is just an off-shoot of the Deep State. The Deep State controls BOTH Parties.

And faux populist Trump has done everything that the Deep State would've wanted him to - just like faux populist Obama.

Rinse. Repeat. And double-down.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 14:52 utc | 38

jinn @Nov8 14:50 #37

The Greens asked for donations to pay for it and received more donations than the recount cost.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 14:54 utc | 39

#25 Bemildred

Maybe. He spoke with Canada`s Foreign Minister as well so he does seem to be quite committed to this trans-Atlantic restart business with better manners.

https://twitter.com/FP_Champagne/status/1324408231972818952

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 8 2020 14:56 utc | 40

Gruff wrote:

The empire now has a grace period in which to do ultraviolence, and imperial vassals will back that ultraviolence 100%. US troop levels in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria will now begin to "surge" even while Trump is still in office.
________________________________________________

2 months from now anybody going back and reading this will say:
"Boy was that a stupid prediction"

Posted by: jinn | Nov 8 2020 14:59 utc | 41

@gm 29

Appreciate the response and observation. I do see your point.

But to respond, I'd say Murdoch is in the business if selling cars trucks, razor blades and iphones etc. Typical audience is half tuned out at best. Competitors for the big ad $ are CNN ABC etc, not OAN or any of the edgier sites favored by the more tuned-in and vocal conservative audience.

Posted by: ptb | Nov 8 2020 14:59 utc | 42

The conflict isn't "Dims vs Repugs" or even "libs vs cons", it is "the oligarchy vs working people".

You see, the oligarchs have games that they play. On Mondays they play contract bridge. On Wednesdays they play pinochle. On Fridays they go down to the slums and use their pocket change as the prize for bum fights that they bet on. Then over the weekend they play politics. It's all just harmless and good-natured fun.

One of the rules of oligarch game nights though is that the maids and cooks and groundskeepers are not allowed to participate. Oh, they can be combatants in the bum fights or candidates in the politics (same thing), but they cannot in any way ever be allowed to be in control of the game play. The fun and challenge of maneuvering and positioning for wins is the privilege of the oligarchs alone.

Then in 2016 something unusual happened. An oligarch decided to join in the bum fights politics as a combatant. Well, that was certainly an oligarch's privilege, but it was unusual. Politics is very much like the bum fights that the oligarchs enjoy so much except instead of individuals bloodying and maiming each other for the oligarchs' entertainment it is large groups being steered into conflict. The politics version of bum fights is also more complex as the narrative associated with the winner sets the mood for whole nations. This has implications for the oligarchs' power and profits, so they consented to their peer's choice to play in the mud with the plebes under the condition that he throw the fight at the last moment. It just would not do to upset the carefully maintained balance between the political combatants and upset long-running plans for conditioning the population.

The oligarch with the unusually boisterous tastes agreed with that. After all, losing should be easy, right?

But politics is a complex game. That challenge is why the oligarchs like it. The game pieces (the plebes in their millions) cannot be directly controlled like chess pieces on a chess board. Instead have to be manipulated into the proper positions; managing the plebes' perceptions of reality to make them believe that it is their own choices to act as the oligarchs want them to.

Naturally, success with this manipulation gives the oligarchs immense satisfaction and feelings of god-like power, which of course is a big part of the thrill of the game. Unfortunately, manipulating the game pieces (plebes in their millions) isn't yet a perfect and exact science and can at times be like herding cats, though being highly social animals plebe humans do tend to readily form groups that can then be controlled as a unit, with relatively small numbers of individuals straying from those groups. The small numbers who do typically stray from the oligarchs' control are not usually a concern because the politics game is structured to only depend upon the behavior of the larger masses.

But in 2016 something else happened that was highly unusual and very distressing for the oligarchs. Large numbers of the plebeian pieces in the politics game suddenly and completely unexpectedly moved into supporting positions of the oligarch who was supposed to throw the political bum fight. This odd occurrence happened too suddenly and too late in the game for the oligarchs to do anything about it, and worse it defied their understanding of how plebeian herds behave. They assumed some other force must have been manipulating their plebes in the classic fashion, but without the oligarchy being aware of it. "The Russians!" were the obvious culprits.

In fact though the plebes, or at least some of them, became aware that they were being manipulated. Generally the plebes don't have this level of sentience or capacity for independent thought. Their behavior is normally as automatic and predictable as schools of fish or herds of ungulates. Since the plebes were restricted to choosing between only two options in the politics game, with one of those options very conspicuously being the one they were being manipulated into choosing, the only act of independent volition available to them was to vote for the one obviously expected to lose.

The challenge for the oligarchy then became to reestablish control over the portions of the plebeian population that was resisting normal manipulation. Had they been successful in accomplishing this then there would have been no need in this latest round of the politics game to make risky and dangerous emergency adjustments to the outcome after the round had ended. The fact that these adjustments were necessary is proof that they still do not understand how and why their control over portions of the plebeian population has been diminished.

For those of us with cat-like resistance to herd behavior, this represents an opportunity. There are large numbers of individuals in the population who have broken from the oligarchy's remote control. Their minds, at least for now, are free of the "Matrix". They are seeing the world in a way that they never have before. The establishment has begun hardcore gaslighting in an effort to reabsorb these individuals into the "Matrix". It is the responsibility of those of us who have been outside the "Matrix" all along to reach out to these people and reassure them that what they have witnessed is reality and what the mass media is trying to force on them is the lunacy and delusion.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 15:02 utc | 43

@ Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 14:09 utc | 31

His problem was he thought he could get away with exploiting the owners of the US empire and publicly humiliate them long term.

What are you insinuating? That after the subjugation and conquest of China, Trump would partition it equally among all the American people?

There was a Trumpian elite just waiting to receive all the cake - they just failed in their bid to the throne.

Posted by: vk | Nov 8 2020 15:18 utc | 44

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 13:53 utc | 28

A couple of things you posted reminded me of an idiot who insisted that Assad lost the Syrian War. Though I'm not sure why you call yourself 'Smith' when you were always so proudly Vietnamese.

/sg/ is dead, long live /sg/.

Posted by: Anderson | Nov 8 2020 15:24 utc | 45

@38

"The Deep State controls BOTH Parties."

.....and is owned by the elite. Including turds like Lord's Murdoch, Soros, Gates, Bezos, Koch, Adelson, etc, etc.

All Trump was trying for was a small shakedown of the unspoken royalty that's behind all the bread and circus.

The entire covert community is nothing but a huge insider trading hedge fund with access to the 5 eyes military might.

Poor Donnie will be lucky to have a pot to piss in after they get done with him. They may not want to assassinate him due to bad PR, but I get the feeling they've already showed him the unedited versions of the Kennedy's and their last great acts of defiance.

People won't wake up until the drone strikes on American soil are well underway.
Both sides of the fake isle have a fan base with a hit list just like Obomber and Bush had.
Maybe even decks of cards ??
Keep you head down Jackrabbit, the fecal matter is about to hit the cooling equipment at any time.

People don't trust each other anymore, that's a bad sign for the peasants and a good one for the elite.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 15:32 utc | 46

@ Anderson

Oh groovy so we might know each other, but I don't remember myself ever saying Assad losing the Syrian war.

But yes, that's my English name, I don't like using my actual name in online discussion.

And cut me some slacks my man, my supposed enemies are the 1st and 2nd most strongest superpowers in the world right now, what can one man do against them?

Posted by: Smith | Nov 8 2020 15:37 utc | 47

The Greens asked for donations to pay for it and received more donations than the recount cost.

Those donations came from Democratic Party/Democratic Party loyalists that hoped it would result in a Hillary win.
____________________________________________

Well of course the money for the 2016 Wis recount came from anti-trumpers but anyone who suggests that pro-trumpers won't fund the recounts and court challenges is simply displaying their ignorance.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 8 2020 15:40 utc | 48

"Poor Donnie..."

Nobody who throws a Molotov cocktail cries when the bottle containing that cocktail breaks, do they? "Oh, that was my favorite Molotov cocktail bottle!" is a lament that you won't often hear.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 15:40 utc | 49

"Poor Donnie..."

Nobody who throws their wooden shoe; their "sabot", into the machine to break it really expects that shoe to ever emerge from the guts of the machine intact, do they?

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 15:45 utc | 50

@ 44

There are several factions of the elite. They don't fight each other, they bet against each other. Anyone could see he stood no chance of doing much of anything to China. I wouldn't be surprised if all the blustering and half baked tariffs weren't just a cover for some back loaded perks yet to be delivered.

He's definitely burned most his bridges inside the empire except for the AIPAC cult. Between him and the son in law and daughter, they seem to have all the bases covered for the Chinese to pay off the Israeli's to then pay off the Trumps.

Who knows anymore, the amount of corruption and number of players at this point is beyond comprehension.

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 16:10 utc | 51

@Posted by: ptb | Nov 8 2020 14:59 utc | 42

Maybe. Perhaps even probable...

Mordoch's pay-off could be a big bucks, long-term advert. contract for mostly un-watched ads at the henceforth audience-free Fox News channel, paid for by companies controlled by our deep state/Invisible Hand Overlords as a cost of maintaining thought-control over the American public.

Invisible Overlord's companies can even write off the "ad buys" (ie payoffs for slanted FAKE News coverage) on their US taxes as "Business Advertising expenses" so no net out of there pockets, and rest of us taxpayers actually pay the bill for the Overlord's propaganda FakeNews gets paid to feed us. It costs the Overlords NOTHING. Isn't that *neat"?!

And come to think of it, the Overlords are probably running the same scam to control the output/actions of most of the FAKE media (silicone as well as traditional) in the "Land of the FREEDOM and TRUTH" USA.

Kind of like the scam[but perfectly legal] way of paying off loyal servants of the invisible overlords like Obama and many others, massive book deals and huge volume buys of their ghost-written books that hardly anyone reads (but are great for making compost with).

Posted by: gm | Nov 8 2020 16:16 utc | 52

@48/49

Can we stop with the apples to oranges comparisons ! We're talking about a life sized Cheeto here for Christ's sake !

We'll never see another Cheeto get elected to the oval office as long as we live !

Posted by: dave | Nov 8 2020 16:27 utc | 53

"You just ate my favorite Cheeto, you meanie! I was saving that for a special occasion!"

Meh, I don't see the point to getting excited over a particular Cheeto.

You're right though. The establishment is never going to give the public disposable joke candidates to vote for again, at least not in the general elections.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 16:36 utc | 54

Why is it that US news channels censored a press conference by a President of the United States?

Why is it that tech giants feel the need to censor Trump’s tweets?

Why is it that in key Dem states the GOP observers were not allowed to actually observe anything?

Why did the Dems counter-sue just to try to prevent GOP observers from observing the ballot count?

Why do the media conglomerates all declare Biden the victor even though they all know for a fact that this is false (only the courts can declare a victor)?

Why is it that FoxNews was spearheading the anti-Trump cheering during this entire week?

Why is it that the US deep state needs EU leaders to suddenly all congratulate Biden on a victory?

Think of what is coming next: lawsuits in state and federal courts, right?

Then IF the Dems felt confident that the Trump campaign had no case, why not simply relax, wait and see the courts reject the Trump campaign’s petitions?

But no, instead, they are acting exactly as if they were all terrified that the courts might do something which would compromise the victory of the Biden campaign!

The very fact of the need for such extreme haste and such un-retractable statements can only be explained by the fear of the Dems that something in their coup plans might go wrong. And, after all, it is said that Giuliani won over 4000 lawsuits in his career, and he would scare me too :-)

So, in a way, we could consider the Dems massive push to win in the court of public opinion a clear sign that they are much more afraid of a court of law.

Posted by: Leo | Nov 8 2020 17:08 utc | 55

good overview debs... funny how the media is calling a lot of the shots here.... why would that be?? who put them in power??

Posted by: james | Nov 8 2020 17:35 utc | 56

Someone should have proofread this: "Where the hell is Trump gonna find the dough to force recounts in the multiple states he believes he was robbed." The author is apparently not aware that Sheldon Adelson individually gave $75M to the campaign. He wouldn't cough up another $20M to get a recovery on that?

The comments that this election was rigged are absurd:
a) Different states use different voting machines (at least GA's machines are different than most states), so under most plausible scenarios there would need to be many people and/or companies involved.
b) If the fraud structure involves people not checking ballot signatures, this would probably involve thousands of people. Biden is consistently improving on Clinton's margins in most of PA, including deep red counties, by typically ~3-4%, while Biden is doing worse in Philly margin-wise. If someone rigged this, why would they use a vote outcome alteration method that requires a state-wide conspiracy with many actors instead of just running up the margin in Philly or Alleghany County?
c) Given Biden's large win in MI and how PA and MI generally correlate, this conspiracy would need to extend to Michigan.
d) GA's election system is managed by Republicans and Biden is poised to win there (in a shocker, compared to the rest of the country and GA's past voting patterns).

Posted by: Schmoe | Nov 8 2020 17:39 utc | 57

Circe @12

If Americans have societal evolution or devolution or just rot on the branch or their wife is not in good style, humanity at large DOES NOT CARE. It doesn't give a rodent's posterior. How could that be unclear? The problem No.1, No.2 and No.3 of humanity is the US. Even the fact of caring at all about anything in domestic policy, even the question, say, of how big a blood-soaked crumb you want to fall from the war profiteers' and genocidaires' table to the US middle class, like health care or jobs or whatever in the US, is an exercise in frivolous irrelevancy.
In fact, some might reason that the more the US goes to the dogs, the better-off the rest of humanity. Be that as it may, the only relevant question is still imperialism and war of aggression.

There is a Greek proverb to describe the well-meaning people who get excited about US domestic policy: "the world may be burning; the c^nt will still comb its hair."

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Nov 8 2020 17:50 utc | 58

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 8 2020 14:56 utc | 40

Yes, that's what I mean, at least a bit more polite. Hopefully Ms Weng will get better treatment too, for example. At least formal respect for international law will return. Diplomacy will rise above the level of a protection racket.

And generally more in the direction of Clinton-Obama foreign policy, but as with Trump more restricted options than in the past.

I would hazard some effort to "heal the wounds of the republic" or something like that, the political class has lost a lot of credibility, so much posturing and exhorting will be done.

And of course time makes fools of us all.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 8 2020 19:57 utc | 59

Bravo, William Gruff @ 43. However, following your analogy, would it not be possible to extend the 'herding' to encompass Biden as the least palatable candidate with a not-popular running mate as the largest example of 'who not to vote for'? And thus, the candidate the decisive voters will lean towards would be Trump -- am I falling into Jack Rabbit territory here? Savvy voters from 2016 are concerned about Biden's record and fragility,as they were about Hillary, and it is those crossovers the oligarchs would want to 'herd' as they provide the winning tipover in a close contest. And the contest is deliberately kept close by not one popular piece of policy being put forward, not one. Neither candidate is allowed to put forward a legitimate program that people would approve of, neither one. That way the oligarchs win who ever gets in.

What this kind of manipulation inevitably produces is worse and worse candidates each election period. This might actually be the last time this can happen without the 'wave' becoming so large that it is indeed a tsunami. Is that this time?

Posted by: juliania | Nov 8 2020 20:16 utc | 60

juliania @60

Yeah, that's bunnyland stuff, unfortunately. The larger part of the oligarchy's influence over the masses is through the mass media. While using reverse psychology through the mass media can work in select cases and in a limited fashion, broad and large scale efforts to guide voters to Trump by trash talking Trump is bound to destroy the credibility of the very tool that the oligarchs depend upon to influence the masses. That is a massive fatal flaw in the bunny's convoluted notion that he always brushes away as irrelevant.

Trump isn't a faithful servant of the oligarchy, though. He is an oligarch himself. While Trump is clearly engaged in serving his own interests, not all oligarchs have exactly the same interests. Indeed, there are some oligarchs that Trump would likely enjoy watching squirm in financial distress. Real estate guys freakin' hate bankers, after all. A true servant of the oligarchy (Biden or Obama or Cruz, for instance), on the other hand, would eagerly service any oligarch whatsoever and in whatever pecking order that the oligarchs decide among themselves. This makes Trump an annoyance to the rest of the oligarchy. They would rather have someone who jumps when they say "Jump!".

The overall media narrative about Trump has been very conspicuously negative. This is reflective of displeasure with Trump within the oligarchy.

You are entirely correct though. This is doubtless the last time we ever see any flavor of populist, real or just playing one on TV like Trump, allowed anywhere near the presidential election. The establishment will not be making that particular mistake again.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 21:02 utc | 61

Who else but Donald Trump?

That should be the rhetorical question to ponder because there is no one else like Donald J. Trump, outsider billionaire who won the 45th presidency by outworking and outsmarting the best (worst?) neoliberal minds and acknowledging the forgotten American man.

For those dismissing his claim as a populist president as a falsehood, I would imagine that these people have little to no understanding of Middle America and their absolute loathing for the political class, its public sector unions, and the elites' desire to frustrate any kind of natural culture arising from a homogenity they have engendered to scramble for decades.

Those who voted against DJT had no idea what DJT really was.

They merely accepted the gaslighting from the msm and big tech that the world was looking down at us more (Heaven forbid that Canadians and Europeans think less of us!) for letting in someone so uncouth. That we were racist and backwards. And so all the coastal libs have been spending the last four years apologizing for all the cavemen littering the interior.

So where do we go from here?

There must be a showdown btw the DJT phenomenon and the neoliberalism which is seeking to bury it by claiming it isn't even there.

The best neoliberalism can do will be a few paltry stimulus programs and some ineffectual tantrums thrown abroad when facing pushback from adversaries who know our weakening state.

But History will not allow a suspension which does not allow its advancement.

This really is a mere taste of what is to come.

So I am not sad in the least for a DJT assumed-loss. It many ways it can only benefit the deplorables who are gaining intelligence and the vocabulary to withstand such an ineffectual attempt at suspending history as the neoliberals can not help but try.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 8 2020 21:25 utc | 62

And faux populist Trump has done everything that the Deep State would've wanted him to - just like faux populist Obama.

Rinse. Repeat. And double-down.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 14:52 utc | 38

----

More of the usual Bunnyrabbit Bullshit.

Trump has blocked the renewal of warrentless surveillance contained in section 215 of the Patriot Act

The House just ditched a bill that would renew and expand the FBI's surveillance powers after Trump threatened to veto it

Posted by: Triden | Nov 8 2020 22:23 utc | 63

It’s not about what Trump didn’t do, it’s all about what the anti-White Biden admin will surely do to further adulterate and destroy the White people of America and Europe. This gatekeeping sham is like being in the living room with a bunch of driveling morons. It gives me the same visceral feeling that I get when seeing a animal abused, a mammal eaten by a reptile, or a gentile girl being copulated by a jew or a nigger. Utterly pathetic, like stepping into pseudo-intellectual excrement. I suspect the site is fully jew controlled like everything else these days.

Posted by: Tom | Nov 8 2020 23:53 utc | 64

James @ 56:

"... good overview debs... funny how the media is calling a lot of the shots here.... why would that be?? who put them in power?? ..."

Well you don't look at that guy (or gal) sitting in the corner of the newsroom ... the one who can't spell, can't put more than two words together to make a coherent sentence ... yet is never reprimanded or put on probation but on the contrary gets promoted over everyone else who puts in good work.

That person is probably from intel.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 9 2020 2:01 utc | 65

Thanks for your response, William Gruff @ 61. I've often wondered if coming into the television world later than most Americans was helpful in breaking the spell for me - I've stayed away from the hypnosis perhaps more easily than those who were weaned on it, being just an ordinary citizen otherwise. I know my own children have formed different opinions than I have, but I think going forward they will learn. There's something about facts on the ground insisting on minds changing themselves, and that more and more people are turning away from media news propaganda - you can see it in voting patterns, though many still don't realize they should just stop watching,stop listening.

I did that right after Obama's first inaugural speech when I realized he was Bush II. Never listened to him or about him after that. Learned later about the Clinton's. Once you realize, there's no going back. How to go forward, that's the question. Still working on that.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 9 2020 4:02 utc | 66

@ jen 65.... it is a well known fact a lot of the usa msm have been taken up with ex cia-fbi people... it seems like a common pathway now... they once worked for the cia and now they work for cnn and etc. etc.... i wonder how much this has ramped up since 9-11? it seems the usa goes from one intel type story to the next, non stop.. who better then ex intel people to get the gig at the msm to broadcast what is or isn't the nature of reality?? these people either work directly with intel, or are former intel people... being a suspicious type it seems like the media is one big outlet for the cia-fbi now... then there was russiagate and the steele dossier, lol.. it is non stop...

i do find it interesting reading pat langs site where pat and larry johnson - 2 ex cia-fbi people - talk.. i thought larry johnsons last article was pretty troubling.. check it out if you haven't already... The Fight for The Soul of Our Republic Has Begun by Larry C Johnson

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2020 4:27 utc | 67

Trump's team is getting donations from the Trump Maga Movement. They are fired up and will not go down without a fight.
The Dems have overplayed their hand and Trump himself has also become more bold not willing to lose.

He will fight, he is now in full war mode.

The only way he can lose is if he is weak, not strong.

In a sense I would actually welcome him becoming a real dictator, because the clown we saw for four years was nothing like what was described by the hystericals, let's see you shrieking baby's handle a real authoritarian who squeezes you like ripe oranges, eh?

But Trump won't do it, he doesn't have the killer instinct, so rest easy you charlatans.

It's like Julius Cesar said about his foe and friend Magnus Pompeo; "This man simply does not know how to win a war".

Trump has been at war for four long years and laughed it off, he's not laughing anymore.
He was punched in the face by Biden and he's finally realized, it's for keeps.

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | Nov 9 2020 6:23 utc | 68

If you want to rig a US election, this will help a lot:

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/78499/private-security-company-investigation-into-disastrous-election-systems.html

Posted by: Baron | Nov 9 2020 11:27 utc | 69

@51 Couldn't have said it better. If it weren't so serious, it would be comical that the resistance thinks it is antifascist when in reality it is the freebie foot soldiers for the financial-corporate- deep state establishment. Two things I will add is Jared Kushner considers Murdoch a mentor. Jared's Daddy rents office space to the parent company of Genie Oil of which Murdoch is a board of director. Genie Oil is drilling illegally in Syria, but Israel claims it belongs to them because it is written in some ancient text that they wrote ...supposedly. On a side note it has been told that Netanyahu use to sleep in Jared's bed when visiting the Kushners. I can't believe Trump was so naive on Kushner or so fixated on pandering to the needs of his plastic princess. (For the record I don't think Trump wants Ivanka. She is just the forever needy child due to the kid being weaponized by the crazy first wife).

I would love to see the election fraud overturned in the courts or with a certified recount. The left will then become the trigger for the violent color flag revolution since the right refuses to oblige. If Trump survives all that, he can finally be the SOB I was hoping for when I voted for him 2016. It really is the only way he can keep his empire. Too bad he didn't figure that out earlier.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Nov 9 2020 16:09 utc | 70

My heartfelt congratulations & condolences to the citizenry of the USA.
You got rid of one...hurrah!
But, alas, you've landed another...boooo!

I'd like to see how the green candidates, and other alternative choices have faired in the record turn-out.

Good luck, and may this four years be the last four for the Greed-State-Goon-Squad.

Jonathan

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Nov 9 2020 16:57 utc | 71

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Debs' theory is fun and educational (nobody knows the Murdochs like an antipodean) but much more likely is the explanation that Murdoch's people simply realised, what most of us did by Wednesday morning, which was that Biden was likely to win. So, as smart capitalists do, they scrambled to get on board the bandwagon. They had to pay a little more than the media who had booked a place earlier but they were all the more welcome because they had something new to offer: the Donald's head on a pike.
Opportunism is the leading characteristic of people like Murdoch- the former member of Oxford University's Socialist Club. They go with the flow and laugh at people with principles. So, of course, does Trump who would have done the same thing-who has done the same thing. Betrayal is a way of life for these non-losers.
As to financing the recount- I can't see Trump paying for it and most of his backers will take the same path as Murdoch. Of course this might be a perfect opportunity for Bannon to start another public appeal with the suckers and their pennies in mind, but that might lead to trouble.
As vk says the Empire is in decline and playing Electoral Silly Buggers will just accelerate the widely anticipated and internationally desired, descent into reality.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 9 2020 20:54 utc | 72

It will take populists on both sides coming together. What's keeping that from happening? Will it ever happen?

Why can't both major party populists see that their party is crap and deserving of condemnation. Democratic populists are there. Republican populists are not. Donald Trump has never voluntarily spent any sincere time around a common person in his life. It makes it so hard to respect anyone that falls for his charlatan populism.

Being libertarian leaning, it seems so logical the movement should be inclusive...freaks and all. Drop all the exclusivity blockers. Conservatives need to come left, dropping the faux patriotism and faux religious stuff, which cannot be justifiable defended...and stand with the left populists.

Posted by: davenitup | Nov 9 2020 21:32 utc | 73

"For all we know Murdoch may have organized the Facebook/Twitter censorship" in paragraph 4 is telling.

Posted by: SkepticalBob | Nov 9 2020 22:23 utc | 74

Both campaigns have funds left over from the race, plus there's always crowdfunding. So much for finances, but that's just a side note.

On the main issue, there may not be much need for recounts, at least not in a whole lot of states. As things stand, Biden (290) can say goodbye to his 20 electors from Pennsylvania. No recount needed, instead things there will be resolved legally. The Reps have moved to have as much as 800,000 ballots tossed out. That's Biden's "lead" of 50,000 a couple of times over. It's either all votes voided that were processed after 8 pm election day, or, an even safer bet for the Reps, all mail-in votes voided that came from voters who had not on their own account requested ballots for absentee voting, but got those ballots unrequested (from the friendly and caring PA Secretary of State) and used them, many in good faith.

So that's Biden down to 270. The Reps can then choose to go down Recount Road in two states out of AZ (11), GA (16), MI (16), or WI (10). Whichever is the most convenient for them, any two of those will do. AZ and WI might be the cheapest.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Nov 9 2020 22:41 utc | 75

@Gruff #42

What a wonderful piece of fiction. Very entertaining. Presidential votes hold no water. They are an illusion.

Posted by: anomymous | Nov 11 2020 3:00 utc | 76

re bevin # 72

Yeah right fox backing biden is just what capitalists do - how come then Fox didn't swing behind barack oblamblam when he was king ponce? Fox got behind biden & alienated much of the fox base in doing so because he has a lot more goods on dopey joe than the dodgily forged false birth certificate that was all he got on oblamblam.

Most don't realise the real Murdoch game, how newscorp runs interference for all sorts of capitalist excess from telling mugs fracking next door will be good for them, to convincing an entire nation that going to war is the only patriotic thing to do.
Every time rupe does this he demands a slice of the gross from all corporations which have benefited from the particular deceit propagated - whether or not they agreed to it. A few have tried to worm out and those corporations are no longer extant.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 11 2020 7:16 utc | 77

If Trump win again, we will get a nuclear exchange with China. This will kill the dem voters in the city though. In fact, I don't think we will survive 2020, because this nuclear exchange might happen before he leaves office. It could have been fun surviving 2020, but it's too late now.

Posted by: W | Nov 11 2020 8:58 utc | 78

FYI -- "The [Australian] Senate will examine local media ownership and its impact on democracy after more than 500,000 people signed a petition by former prime minister Kevin Rudd that raised concerns about the influence of Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/senate-to-launch-media-diversity-inquiry-after-kevin-rudd-petition-20201111-p56dpc.html

Posted by: imo | Nov 11 2020 12:27 utc | 79