It is worth noting that one of Trumps formative influences was Roy Cohen, a classic NYC fixer closely associated with mafia types. Trumps style resembles nothing more than that of a mafia don.

Posted by: c | Nov 4 2020 8:54 utc | 4

“Weird to have popcorn for breakfast …” That’s hilarious! 😀
Also very funny, this picture (I know, Zerohedge, but it’s only a photoshopped picture meant to amuse).

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Nov 4 2020 8:58 utc | 6

Mark2 | Nov 4 2020 8:27 utc | 1:
I prefer comments from all walks of life. Why would you want MoA to be an echo chamber? In any case, I’m surprised that Biden have gained this much support. I was expecting a landslide for Trump. If Trump wins then it’ll be business as usual. Congress will be deadlocked, the country will slide further into debt and mass chaos.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 4 2020 9:02 utc | 8

uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 9:01 utc | 7:
I was thinking the caption would be: “Donnie boy, Hillary sends her regards.”

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 4 2020 9:06 utc | 10

Ian2 #10
Good one. Maybe: “you give me the laptop back and I’ll score some Sputnik V for you”

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 9:12 utc | 12

re c # 3
I have to agree, 6 months ago trump announced his strategy would be to discredit the validity of postal votes, particularly arrived after the election day postal votes, that should have given the dems a pretty good idea of where they needed to go on offense.
Instead of blowing close to billions on TV commercials (when was the last time you watched a TV commercial? everyone streams avoiding the damn things in 2020) and spent the allegedly vast sums they had collected on putting together a machine that would assist their base to A) fill out the forms as soon as they arrived and B) get them into polling stations asap, they wouldn’t have got caught up in a mess where the rethugs can nurture the result in a few key states and obstruct the postal votes in a manner which will not appear to be a total rort.
They didn’t, which makes a sceptic wonder if many of the ‘billions’ the dems copped in corporate donations weren’t in fact, quiet backhanders whereby media corporates shouted “Biden, Biden, Biden”, and in return for favourable coverage dems bought up a welter of advertising time, in return the dem hacks in DC plus state HQ’s all got to trouser a wedge from commissions on either making commercials, or kickbacks for ‘buying media time’.
In other words the dems lose but dem hacks all cop a nice earner. The only problem being that bidens postals get disallowed in a quiet smart way which isn’t sufficiently obviously crooked to get ordinary citizens out complaining about it.
It was obvious that postals would favour dems but IMO dems had to do well on election night off the in person ballots to be able to force a showdown on postals.
We all knew what orangeutan’s strategy would be so why didn’t the dems make any effort to counter it?
Because being a dem ‘operative’ is more about looking after No1 than doing the right thing for the citizens, that is why.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 4 2020 9:18 utc | 14

Thing is they just stopped counting. As soon as it looked like Trump was going down the path Trafalgar Group predicted, and then some, boom, nothing. 100 votes added every 5 minutes on the New York Times map of the country. What’s the excuse – sleep? When has that ever been an issue? The votes were paused so that Trump didn’t get his 270 on the day, before the mail in votes were counted. Then Trump would Supreme Court and the battle would be fought there. Now it’s gonna be a lot messier. The pause looks like a trick to stuff ballot boxes, from afar at least.

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Nov 4 2020 9:26 utc | 16

blues #17
Mass mail in voting works mighty good in functional countries.The usai is not a functional country but there is zero evidence in your statement to prove anything. I get the message from you that no ballot improvement will ever do.
Voting and better representation is working well in many nations. Tell us why this is so and why you keep puting improvement down.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 10:16 utc | 18

He’s toast. May take a while yet, but no Trump 2.0.
Most if not all not-honest politicans HATE vote-by-mail BECAUSE it is much harder to rig the outcome, it has a (very good) paper trail, a lot of their vote suppression schemes are much harder to pull off, these is no special day when workers have to work, you can vote at home for free over a period of days or weeks. You want more honest elections, there’s the answer.
This is also why they hate the Post Office. It is everything they do not want government to be, even with the crude destructive asshole they put in charge of it.
I do not believe TPTB will risk losing the system we have now for good just to save Trump. If they do, I expect civil unrest, at best.
At least we get to watch this asshole and his minions twist in the wind now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2020 10:32 utc | 20

For many, many years, I have studied electoral systems, and have been advocating major changes. The only system that can really be called ‘democratic’ is simple score voting. With that, you can grant as many candidates as you want 10, or 9, or 8, down to zero votes to as many candidates as you prefer. There are no computers involved, and the votes are simply added up on the spot (at each polling place), and the results are publicly announced for each contender who received votes prior to those results being sent up to larger tabulation facilities. This would completely disrupt the ‘two-party’ capture tyrrany that we suffer from now. Mail-ins should be reserved for the few who cannot travel to poling places. It’s very simple.

Posted by: blues | Nov 4 2020 10:35 utc | 22

@20
Just to give a low tech counter example to ‘vote by mail’ – in ancient Athens, few people could write, so they got representatives to write down their candidate for them on the clay shards they used.. analyse the handwriting, and you see the same person writing in the same name 100s of times.
The USPS union is pro Biden, there is a week to postmark the ballot (if the date is even required), and it’s just an additional complication to the system where inefficiencies, that can be exploited, lie open for grabs.
It may not be ‘the best way’ to cheat, but it is certainly ‘a way’ to cheat.
And maybe the best way isn’t available, so they gotta make do with what they got.

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Nov 4 2020 10:37 utc | 24

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Nov 4 2020 10:37 utc | 24
Any system in which employees have to vote on a working day is bad, disadvantages employees vs employers. Employers have power over workers, they are not “equals” at work, and they use it.
Any system in which everybody has to assemble to vote is bad, unless you are going to pay to get them all there.
You are quite right about the problem of literacy, but nobody is saying you cannot vote in person if you need to or choose to.
Internet voting can also be made at least as secure as your bank account, eh?
The crooks are going to cheat regardless, that’s who they are. The question is do the non-crooks have a fast, secure way to get their views counted or not? Right now we have “deliberately not” as the answer here.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2020 10:49 utc | 26

Looking to me like Biden ends up with exactly 270

Posted by: Jason | Nov 4 2020 10:56 utc | 28

Trump is not serving himself well. No surprise there. Any American election has ambiguities built in and infinite openings for lawyers. Right now Trump’s attorneys are asking themselves if the fix is in and if they want this guy for a client.
If Biden can get as far as repeating the words of the oath of office he faces 46 or 48% of the electorate just not believing it. Some of those would, in better times, relax about it after a while. They would entertain doubts and get on with life. With the Democrats thinking of them all as Demons from Hell and Mark2 demanding death for the infidels the wound remains open. Biden couldn’t even lead the Senate Judiciary Committee. He will not reduce the national rancor. Kamala can only do worse.
Whoever is rigging this election is wondering what they got into. Nobody wins. Everybody loses

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 4 2020 11:06 utc | 30

I’m starting to believe that karma is real. The way the USA often disrupt democracy abroad is now happening on its soil. I hope it gets dirtier. Hopefully some moderate rebels among them would now declare war on the state.

Posted by: Steve | Nov 4 2020 11:19 utc | 32

Ah Matthias, I daresay that’s because you are basing your views on things like arithmetic and objective reality.

Posted by: Deltaeus | Nov 4 2020 11:27 utc | 34

Uncle Tungsten @ 18
The problem with mail in voting is that it increases the opportunity for fraud. Are these democracies with mail in voting really functioning democracies or does mail in voting allow them to fix elections and maintain the status quo? Nothing ever changes in Canada, even on the rare occasions Conservatives(CINO) win. The status quo is a wonderful thing for the ruling elite. You better believe they love mail in voting too. No surprise that Trump – not a career politician – is against mail in votes.

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 4 2020 11:45 utc | 36

“arithmetic and objective reality” is against Matthias. The Trump campaign would not be attempting to annul the counting of mail-in ballots if they thought the voting pattern was the same as the in-person on-the-day votes. And the point is, there are a lot, at this moment, of uncounted mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania, more than 2 million from what I saw. I don’t know why that is. Elsewhere not so many.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 11:47 utc | 38

Political power is the most addictive drug that was ever created. Many millions of addicts will do anything to obtain their fix. This is why political voting ballots must be paper and publicly and openly hand counted at an extremely local level. Single points of failure will wreck democracy.
I do not trust my computer with my money! I have a whole ‘separate’ bank that I use only for necessary computer transactions. I do not have Microsoft Windows! You can probably install PCLOS Linux yourself, or have a geek kid install Salix Linux. These are mostly free of something insecure known as systemd infestation, which all the rest have, making them almost as bad as Windows. The Internet has baked-in insecurity simply because the people who invented it were oblivious to the possibility that some bad actors would use it to cheat innocent users.
Ranked choice (RCV/IRV) voting was also invented by people who didn’t consider tampering by bad actors. That’s why the simple score (aka ‘range’) voting is needed. Americans are oblivious to the fact that there do exist people who will gladly cheat them (especially political party operatives).

Posted by: blues | Nov 4 2020 11:56 utc | 40

A few things people seem to forget:
The United States is an oligarchy

The U.S. government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country’s citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.

People will not get access to healthcare, Wall Street will continue to be bailed out at the expense of Main Street, and the war machine will march on.
The Unites States ranks last in fair elections in the West

According to the EIP, U.S. elections scored lower than Argentina, South Africa, Tunisia, and Rwanda — and strikingly lower than even Brazil. Specifically compared to Western democracies, U.S. elections scored the lowest, slightly worse than the U.K., while Denmark and Finland topped the list.

The electronic voting system of the United States is is corrupt as f@#ck

ES&S, which by itself accounts for 44 percent of US election equipment, received its initial financing from the families of Nelson Bunker Hunt and Howard Ahmanson, Jr., right-wing billionaires who also contributed substantially to the Chalcedon Foundation, Christian Reconstruction’s main think tank.
Hunt and Ahmanson were also prominent early members of the Council for National Policy, a networking group for the Religious Right and billionaires whose recent members have included Kelly Anne Conway, Steve Bannon, Mike Pence, Richard DeVos, Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, Robert and Rebekka Mercer, and Bob Dallas, a convicted embezzler whose nonprofits have been closely linked to massive voter data leaks.

22% of mail-in ballots don’t get counted

It begins with a stone-cold fact: Mail-in ballots are lost by the millions—especially the ballots of low-income young and minority voters, those folks often called, “Democrats.”
The seminal MIT study, Losing Votes by Mail, warns that 22% – more than one in five ballots – never get counted.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 4 2020 12:48 utc | 42

Sorry if 44 is not well formatted.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 12:52 utc | 44

This is a bit shady, Pennsylvania:

In addition to whatever ballots have come in on Election Day, Pennsylvania poll workers will be able to count mail-in ballots that arrive in the next three days — even if there is not a clear postmark and even if the signature on the ballot does not match voter rolls.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/04/pa-governor-pledges-to-count-one-million-outstanding-ballots/

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 13:09 utc | 46

Wow, all the pro-Trump stuff getting deposited. The Trumpies sound nervous again.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 13:17 utc | 48

vk @41
AOC’s statement just shows how out of touch with the reality the Democrats are! They’ve no courage to champion real changes for the working class/minorities/underdogs but rather comfortably play the identity politics.
After the loss of 2016 election, Demos still refuses to let Sanders to run as their candidates because they fear the real changes of the status quo, even just a little bit change.
This is the same malady that all the so-called progressive/woke/left parties in Europe have been inflicted upon themselves.

Posted by: lulu | Nov 4 2020 13:30 utc | 50

c @ 4
“It is worth noting that one of Trumps formative influences was Roy Cohen, a classic NYC fixer closely associated with mafia types. Trumps style resembles nothing more than that of a mafia don. ”
Well? At least on the world stage I believe that is how the US operates. Mafia style.

Posted by: arby | Nov 4 2020 13:36 utc | 52

“Weird to have popcorn for breakfast …”
b,
Why imply there’s some reason to suppose that the votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania shouldn’t be counted fully?
Puts you in an extremist position.
It’s not like those votes are going to be counted fully until at least the end of the week. Then should Trump be losing, he’ll seek to delegitimize the votes in those states.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 4 2020 13:41 utc | 54

BREAKING: the winner has been confirmed!
It’s the incompetent mass-murdering sociopath who plans to waste taxpayer money on bailing out rich people!

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Nov 4 2020 13:49 utc | 56

IMO Biden has clinched it, with WI, MI, AZ looking at just mail-in’s left, which lean to Biden, Biden is on track for a minimum of 270, even if Trump wins NC, GA, PA.

Posted by: ptb | Nov 4 2020 14:04 utc | 58

I am repulsed by some of the commentary here.
First, the mail-in votes received were stamped received before polls closed.
Second, they cannot be processed twice.
Third, they are paper ballots; proof, a trail, and the voter gets a confirmation when they are processed.
Fourth, there is no damn fraud except in Trump’s depraved con artist shit-disturbing and disturbed mind.
Legally, every vote received on or before election day must be counted.
It’s too bad for you, Trump bootlickers, that the mail-in startd getting counted after the in-person election day votes.
It’s too bad for you that the majority of those mail-ins are in heavily Democratic urban centres. In Michigan, they’re counting in the county where Flint is located. Flint residents DETEST Trump and the Republican ps, ergo, those ballots are for Biden.
Biden is going to win–Get over it, damn you! Don’t inflict your sore loser deceptive manipulation or try to insult people’s intelligence with cockamamie, hysterical theories that are not fact-based.
Quit with your infantile troll conspiracies and feeding the bullshit scam artist, king of trolls, Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 4 2020 14:43 utc | 60

Biden looking good in Michigan now. 138,000 votes came in overnight, every one Blue. Not a single one for Trump. Return of the Super Delegates!!!

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 4 2020 14:44 utc | 62

Timothy Hagios | Nov 4 2020 13:49 utc | 56
BREAKING: the winner has been confirmed!
It’s the incompetent mass-murdering sociopath who plans to waste taxpayer money on bailing out rich people!
Which one!
For the moment it looks like neither incompetent mass-murdering sociopath who plans to waste taxpayer money on bailing out rich people will at least admit sanity and end the “covid” lunacy.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 4 2020 14:52 utc | 64

Joe is going to be so happy:
“With the vote, Biden surpassed Barack Obama’s 2008 popular vote total.”
Biden Crosses 70m Votes Mark, Leads Trump In Popular Poll

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2020 14:57 utc | 66

@33
The only troll i see here is you. That’s an established fact by now. a turkish troll at that. …

Posted by: Wolverin3 | Nov 4 2020 15:02 utc | 68

We cannot allow tyranny to be imposed by subterfuge. We have to draw the line. This election is that line.
Whatever his shortcomings, Donald Trump is a major obstacle to globalist plans. He must emerge victorious or we are doomed.
———

Posted by: Maggie | Nov 4 2020 15:09 utc | 70

There is still a chance that Biden will get PA on top of Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin that are leaning in his favour.
Don’t rule PA out just yet. There are a ton of votes still being counted there.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 4 2020 15:11 utc | 72

@cjc 59
right, forgot about Nevada. I think he got it tho. My curiosity abt the whole thing is satisfied anyhow.
Senate still up for grabs.

Posted by: ptb | Nov 4 2020 15:13 utc | 74

re c # 3 #14.. The DNC wasn’t advertising with billions on MSM.. they were buying the MSM.

Posted by: SoTexGuy | Nov 4 2020 15:20 utc | 76

Trump is not happy
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

Last night I was leading, often solidly, in many key States, in almost all instances Democrat run & controlled. Then, one by one, they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted. VERY STRANGE, and the “pollsters” got it completely & historically wrong!

How come every time they count Mail-In ballot dumps they are so devastating in their percentage and power of destruction?

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 15:29 utc | 78

librul @ 63

Precisely 0% of this tweet is “disputed.” All I did was compare two different sets of numbers on NYT’s website. That’s called arithmetic, and it’s not up for debate.
Twitter is a cancer, and Big Tech is trying to steal the election for Democrats.

https://mobile.twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1323999999869571074

Posted by: Down South | Nov 4 2020 15:33 utc | 80

Congrat! PRESIDENT TRUMP! Americans will support you 100% on this! We will not allow them steal this election! God bless!!!
They(the evil globalist and demonrats) were determined not to give Trump a second term by any means necessary This is not a fraud committed upon him but upon us, the American people If we dont stand up for something, we will fall for anything

Posted by: jimmy | Nov 4 2020 15:34 utc | 82

The president is completely right for calling out this fraud …. The press was already saying it would take days to count ballots before they even knew the results…… They are as pathetic as terrorists ……. we will continue to fight and stand up to the press, socialists, Hollywood elite, cancel culture and anyone else with anti-American values ….

Posted by: jean | Nov 4 2020 15:36 utc | 84

President Trump said that the Democrats were going to do this. Pelosi has been saying that Biden will win no matter what the election numbers says. She said she was confident. She said that they would fumigate him out of the White House and whether he (Trump) knows it or not he will be leaving
The Democrats has this plan all along. They don’t have enough fraudulent ballots to win and so they stopped the count to fabricate more Biden Votes

Posted by: susan | Nov 4 2020 15:39 utc | 86

The polls, all of them, were wrong – massively. Did you see the blowout in Florida? I’m sure we’ll be hearing more about how Brenda Snipes (fired before she could resign in 2018 because of incompetence and fraud) would have run things differently than Peter Antonacci, who was appointed by then Governor Scott to the position.
Did you notice that Democratic governors with the harshest lockdowns locked down election counting as soon as it became apparent Trump had won their state? Michigan (Whitmer), Wisconsin (Evers), Pennsylvania (Wolf), and Virginia (Northam)?
The press coverage, well you know they are all in for Kamala. Pennsylvania, where Trump was up by almost 700,000 with 64% of the vote in and only the western parts – all pro Trump – remaining and…. let’s put a ‘Lid” on it? Do you wonder what they are doing in that basement? Just like Michigan, Trump up by 300,000 with 65% of the vote in and….. you guessed it, let’s stop counting. Especially since they all know now just how many junk-mail ballots they need to fill out and ‘find’ before they start counting again.
They do better in the third world. Operation Red Mirage, round two, happening now.

Posted by: marty | Nov 4 2020 15:42 utc | 88

Frankly it is stunning. Here in Georgia, a conveniently timed bursting of a water pipe caused a delay in recounting the mail in ballots in democratic Fulton County. Also, they decided to call it a night and stopped counting at 10:30 PM and to resume counting this morning. Clearly, they need to know how many votes to push Biden over the top.
We shouldn’t be surprised. Biden, via a Freudian slip, stated what we are experiencing: “the most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization in the history of American politics”.

Posted by: barb | Nov 4 2020 15:45 utc | 90

So while everyone was asleep and after everyone went home, Democrats in Michigan magically found a trove of 138,339 votes, and all 138,339 of those “votes” magically went to Biden? That doesn’t look suspicious at all.

Posted by: george | Nov 4 2020 15:52 utc | 92

Donna Brazile, a former Democratic National Committee (DNC) interim chair, has claimed that the party organisation helped Hillary Clinton’s campaign “rig” the 2016 Democratic primary against Bernie Sanders.<:blockquote>
https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donna-brazile-hillary-clinton-dnc-primary-rigged-bernie-sanders-a8034716.html%3famp
They’ll rig their own primaries but not a general election! Sure, I believe you.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 4 2020 15:55 utc | 94

They’re just making up case numbers now. Wholesale. Check out the first two paragraphs of this Oct. 27 NY Times piece [1]. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what the Times is up to:
“The United States reported a record of more than 500,000 new cases over the past week, as states and cities resorted to stricter new measures to contain the virus that is raging across the country, especially the American heartland.”
Translation: To try to keep Trump from a second term, public health officials are claiming an absurd new leap in the number of cases.

Posted by: dr phd | Nov 4 2020 15:56 utc | 96

‘Purple Rain’ – Polls Were “Hilariously, Tragically Wrong”
This was not a Biden +7,8,9 or 10 election. Instead it is a nail-biter…
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The polling was even worse than 2016. LOL. Should we not be skeptical at that?
Large leads in the polls leads to complacency and motivates the other side (Republicans).
This, coupled with several “October Surprises” have brought Trump to a possible victory.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 4 2020 16:03 utc | 98

The MSM polls were *all* wrong – most really badly.
Wisconson, Michigan are swinging, looks like the mail-in ballots may make the difference. Pennsylvania still not clear.
But here is what is clear:
1) Senate: Republicans will not lose control.
Looks like Democrats pick up 1 seat -> 53 Republican Senate seats decrement to 52 Republican Senate seats.
2) House of Representatives.
Democrats started yesterday with 232 seats – Republicans with 198 and 4 vacant.
Present shows Democrats with 217 vs. Republican 218. Either way, a huge loss for the Democrats.
So even if Biden wins – it means no Congressional mandate. No stimulus. No Medicare For All (even if Biden wanted it). No Green New Deal.
Even a mask mandate might not pass.
This election also clearly show COVID isn’t the first priority for most Americans with the Democrat party thought it would be. Latinos broke even harder for Trump than early (wrong) polls suggested.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 4 2020 16:09 utc | 100