Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 04, 2020

Trump Claims Election Fraud, Says He Has Won


With millions of votes yet to be counted, President Trump falsely asserted election fraud, pledged to mount a legal challenge to official state results and made a premature claim of victory.

Weird to have popcorn for breakfast ...

Posted by b on November 4, 2020 at 8:14 UTC | Permalink

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Weird that MOA has turned into a full blown right wing blog.
Complete with race hate platform.
Encouraging covid deniers.
Lies by biased omissions.
Pyrrhic victory.
Who let the dogs out ?
b and James

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 4 2020 8:27 utc | 1

I predicted a lot of disruption on polling day. It seems I was wrong about that.

Posted by: MarkU | Nov 4 2020 8:44 utc | 2

The pot calling the kettle black is an effective strategy. The Rs have been very effective in their voter desenfranchisment work and it is paying off again. Offence is the best defense. The Ds have let it happen. The popular image of the Ds with the geriatríc Joe and Nancy does not helo. The country has real problems and the Ds offer nothing.

Posted by: c | Nov 4 2020 8:46 utc | 3

It is worth noting that one of Trumps formative influences was Roy Cohen, a classic NYC fixer closely associated with mafia types. Trumps style resembles nothing more than that of a mafia don.

Posted by: c | Nov 4 2020 8:54 utc | 4

Trump has been drinking cool aid again.

I should declare me as president and drag some guy-do to the podium as my deputy. But then what if Maduro declares he won and should be the President or maybe that guy from Cuba?

Smash the China big man just like in the movies - hurl them plates and throw that tantrum. Jackrabbit needs a landslide not just a lot of crash and boom.

Bad luck JR don't get too smashed this is better than that coup story in Venezuela when nobody came. Hell everybody is coming out to throw Trump out of New York. This is the best of the free world? pull the other leg.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 8:58 utc | 5

"Weird to have popcorn for breakfast ..." That's hilarious! :D

Also very funny, this picture (I know, Zerohedge, but it's only a photoshopped picture meant to amuse).

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Nov 4 2020 8:58 utc | 6

Scotch Bingeington #6

Also very funny, this picture (I know, Zerohedge, but it's only a photoshopped picture meant to amuse).

Thank you. Caption: 'wow your hair sure smells good"

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 9:01 utc | 7

Mark2 | Nov 4 2020 8:27 utc | 1:

I prefer comments from all walks of life. Why would you want MoA to be an echo chamber? In any case, I'm surprised that Biden have gained this much support. I was expecting a landslide for Trump. If Trump wins then it'll be business as usual. Congress will be deadlocked, the country will slide further into debt and mass chaos.

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 4 2020 9:02 utc | 8

If one reads the fake news media for breakfast, it will be popcorn almost every day!

Well I think it's all over except the crying.

Posted by: michael | Nov 4 2020 9:03 utc | 9

uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 9:01 utc | 7:

I was thinking the caption would be: "Donnie boy, Hillary sends her regards."

Posted by: Ian2 | Nov 4 2020 9:06 utc | 10

Someone knows where to find the list of instances, where an acting US president played fair and did not nominate a US supreme court justice right before a presidential election ? Here in France the MSM piles on Trump for having cheated when i nominated Amy.

Posted by: Stephane | Nov 4 2020 9:11 utc | 11

Ian2 #10

Good one. Maybe: "you give me the laptop back and I'll score some Sputnik V for you"

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 9:12 utc | 12

Someone knows where to find the list of instances, where an acting US president played fair and did not nominate a US supreme court justice right before a presidential election ? Here in France the MSM piles on Trump for having cheated when he nominated Amy.

Posted by: Stephane | Nov 4 2020 9:12 utc | 13

re c # 3

I have to agree, 6 months ago trump announced his strategy would be to discredit the validity of postal votes, particularly arrived after the election day postal votes, that should have given the dems a pretty good idea of where they needed to go on offense.
Instead of blowing close to billions on TV commercials (when was the last time you watched a TV commercial? everyone streams avoiding the damn things in 2020) and spent the allegedly vast sums they had collected on putting together a machine that would assist their base to A) fill out the forms as soon as they arrived and B) get them into polling stations asap, they wouldn't have got caught up in a mess where the rethugs can nurture the result in a few key states and obstruct the postal votes in a manner which will not appear to be a total rort.

They didn't, which makes a sceptic wonder if many of the 'billions' the dems copped in corporate donations weren't in fact, quiet backhanders whereby media corporates shouted "Biden, Biden, Biden", and in return for favourable coverage dems bought up a welter of advertising time, in return the dem hacks in DC plus state HQ's all got to trouser a wedge from commissions on either making commercials, or kickbacks for 'buying media time'.

In other words the dems lose but dem hacks all cop a nice earner. The only problem being that bidens postals get disallowed in a quiet smart way which isn't sufficiently obviously crooked to get ordinary citizens out complaining about it.

It was obvious that postals would favour dems but IMO dems had to do well on election night off the in person ballots to be able to force a showdown on postals.

We all knew what orangeutan's strategy would be so why didn't the dems make any effort to counter it?

Because being a dem 'operative' is more about looking after No1 than doing the right thing for the citizens, that is why.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 4 2020 9:18 utc | 14

The shit show must go on.
Glad I didn't subject myself to the big lie 2020.
Either way we know that the thieves and thugs won and there will be more fraud and mass murder to entertain the elite.

Be kind to one another, no need to hurt people over a fake election.

Posted by: dave | Nov 4 2020 9:19 utc | 15

Thing is they just stopped counting. As soon as it looked like Trump was going down the path Trafalgar Group predicted, and then some, boom, nothing. 100 votes added every 5 minutes on the New York Times map of the country. What's the excuse - sleep? When has that ever been an issue? The votes were paused so that Trump didn't get his 270 on the day, before the mail in votes were counted. Then Trump would Supreme Court and the battle would be fought there. Now it's gonna be a lot messier. The pause looks like a trick to stuff ballot boxes, from afar at least.

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Nov 4 2020 9:26 utc | 16

I, and others, conducted a very careful analysis of mass mail-in voting ballots way back in 2005, as part of a disastrously unsuccessful campaign against computer voting. The Trump factor was more than ten years in the future then. Our conclusion was that massive mail-in voting would almost certainly lead to unlimited chaos and tampering. It appears we were correct.

Posted by: blues | Nov 4 2020 10:02 utc | 17

blues #17

Mass mail in voting works mighty good in functional countries.The usai is not a functional country but there is zero evidence in your statement to prove anything. I get the message from you that no ballot improvement will ever do.

Voting and better representation is working well in many nations. Tell us why this is so and why you keep puting improvement down.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 4 2020 10:16 utc | 18

To me, the fact that the DNC decided to run Biden indicates that they - perhaps - didn't want to win this one. It would, sorta, make sense: the next couple of years are going to be tough to preside over.

The next likely explanation would be that they are dumb as a doorknob. But aren't they all lawyers? How dumb could a group of lawyers be? This dumb? I dunno.

And if indeed they don't want to win this one, then, perhaps, it'll end sooner and with less trouble than people expect.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Nov 4 2020 10:26 utc | 19

He's toast. May take a while yet, but no Trump 2.0.

Most if not all not-honest politicans HATE vote-by-mail BECAUSE it is much harder to rig the outcome, it has a (very good) paper trail, a lot of their vote suppression schemes are much harder to pull off, these is no special day when workers have to work, you can vote at home for free over a period of days or weeks. You want more honest elections, there's the answer.

This is also why they hate the Post Office. It is everything they do not want government to be, even with the crude destructive asshole they put in charge of it.

I do not believe TPTB will risk losing the system we have now for good just to save Trump. If they do, I expect civil unrest, at best.

At least we get to watch this asshole and his minions twist in the wind now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2020 10:32 utc | 20

Just like in 2016, it's jobs 'what won it'.

Posted by: Baron | Nov 4 2020 10:33 utc | 21

For many, many years, I have studied electoral systems, and have been advocating major changes. The only system that can really be called 'democratic' is simple score voting. With that, you can grant as many candidates as you want 10, or 9, or 8, down to zero votes to as many candidates as you prefer. There are no computers involved, and the votes are simply added up on the spot (at each polling place), and the results are publicly announced for each contender who received votes prior to those results being sent up to larger tabulation facilities. This would completely disrupt the 'two-party' capture tyrrany that we suffer from now. Mail-ins should be reserved for the few who cannot travel to poling places. It's very simple.

Posted by: blues | Nov 4 2020 10:35 utc | 22

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | Nov 4 2020 10:26 utc | 19

Yes, I've thought right along the main reason Biden is the one is because he really wants it. Like Hillary, he's been chasing that ring all his life.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2020 10:37 utc | 23


Just to give a low tech counter example to 'vote by mail' - in ancient Athens, few people could write, so they got representatives to write down their candidate for them on the clay shards they used.. analyse the handwriting, and you see the same person writing in the same name 100s of times.

The USPS union is pro Biden, there is a week to postmark the ballot (if the date is even required), and it's just an additional complication to the system where inefficiencies, that can be exploited, lie open for grabs.

It may not be 'the best way' to cheat, but it is certainly 'a way' to cheat.

And maybe the best way isn't available, so they gotta make do with what they got.

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Nov 4 2020 10:37 utc | 24

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
We do not have a decision. Right now it looks as if Biden may win by a slim margin. However, when you look at what happened, the states that would tip the scale in Trump's favour just stopped counting and handing in their results. This reeks of fraud. We may see that election night allowed the FBI to gather sufficient concrete evidence of voter fraud by the Dems in order to provide Trump with the ammo to totally tank them in court. If the fraud can be proven - and I believe it can - then all Dem operatives will go to jail and the election gets decided without competition.

Posted by: Matthias | Nov 4 2020 10:44 utc | 25

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Nov 4 2020 10:37 utc | 24

Any system in which employees have to vote on a working day is bad, disadvantages employees vs employers. Employers have power over workers, they are not "equals" at work, and they use it.

Any system in which everybody has to assemble to vote is bad, unless you are going to pay to get them all there.

You are quite right about the problem of literacy, but nobody is saying you cannot vote in person if you need to or choose to.

Internet voting can also be made at least as secure as your bank account, eh?

The crooks are going to cheat regardless, that's who they are. The question is do the non-crooks have a fast, secure way to get their views counted or not? Right now we have "deliberately not" as the answer here.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2020 10:49 utc | 26

Looking to me like Biden ends up with exactly 270

Posted by: Jason | Nov 4 2020 10:56 utc | 27

Looking to me like Biden ends up with exactly 270

Posted by: Jason | Nov 4 2020 10:56 utc | 28

In the good spirit of the US of A, everyone is a winner just for showing up!

Posted by: Abe | Nov 4 2020 11:01 utc | 29

Trump is not serving himself well. No surprise there. Any American election has ambiguities built in and infinite openings for lawyers. Right now Trump’s attorneys are asking themselves if the fix is in and if they want this guy for a client.

If Biden can get as far as repeating the words of the oath of office he faces 46 or 48% of the electorate just not believing it. Some of those would, in better times, relax about it after a while. They would entertain doubts and get on with life. With the Democrats thinking of them all as Demons from Hell and Mark2 demanding death for the infidels the wound remains open. Biden couldn’t even lead the Senate Judiciary Committee. He will not reduce the national rancor. Kamala can only do worse.

Whoever is rigging this election is wondering what they got into. Nobody wins. Everybody loses

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 4 2020 11:06 utc | 30

Watching current electoral college:
Biden 238 with potential for 16 more if the current lead remains => 254 and Biden's lead is < 1% in NV and WI
Trump 213 with potential for 70 more if the current lead remains => 283 and Trump's lead is clear in MI and PA, > 2% in GA and NC
I really don't understand why most of you act as if Trump lost.

Posted by: Matthias | Nov 4 2020 11:07 utc | 31

I'm starting to believe that karma is real. The way the USA often disrupt democracy abroad is now happening on its soil. I hope it gets dirtier. Hopefully some moderate rebels among them would now declare war on the state.

Posted by: Steve | Nov 4 2020 11:19 utc | 32

Posted by: Matthias | Nov 4 2020 11:07 utc | 31

Good to see the Trump campaign have allotted a duty troll to MoA. To me it seems it could go either way. The troll takes a maximal position for Trump.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 11:26 utc | 33

Ah Matthias, I daresay that's because you are basing your views on things like arithmetic and objective reality.

Posted by: Deltaeus | Nov 4 2020 11:27 utc | 34

Simple arithmetic is not enough, it helps to know what counties in each state have votes left to is going to be very close.
My prediction
Biden wins WI, MI, and NV
Trump wins PA, GA and NC

Posted by: Jason | Nov 4 2020 11:37 utc | 35

Uncle Tungsten @ 18

The problem with mail in voting is that it increases the opportunity for fraud. Are these democracies with mail in voting really functioning democracies or does mail in voting allow them to fix elections and maintain the status quo? Nothing ever changes in Canada, even on the rare occasions Conservatives(CINO) win. The status quo is a wonderful thing for the ruling elite. You better believe they love mail in voting too. No surprise that Trump - not a career politician - is against mail in votes.

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 4 2020 11:45 utc | 36

Result past elections in the states that are now focused upon:

2004 Republican
2008 Republican
2012 Republican
2016 Republican

2004 Democrat
2008 Democrat
2012 Democrat
2016 Republican BUT close call

2004 Democrat BUT close call
2008 Democrat
2012 Democrat
2016 Republican

2004 Democrat
2008 Democrat
2012 Democrat
2016 Republican

North Carolina
2004 Republican
2008 Democrat BUT close call
2012 Republican
2016 Republican

2004 Republican
2008 Democrat
2012 Democrat
2016 Democrat

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 11:46 utc | 37

"arithmetic and objective reality" is against Matthias. The Trump campaign would not be attempting to annul the counting of mail-in ballots if they thought the voting pattern was the same as the in-person on-the-day votes. And the point is, there are a lot, at this moment, of uncounted mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania, more than 2 million from what I saw. I don't know why that is. Elsewhere not so many.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 11:47 utc | 38

@Matthias | Nov 4 2020 11:07 utc | 31

Watching current electoral college:
Biden 238 with potential for 16 more if the current lead remains => 254 and Biden's lead is < 1% in NV and WI
Trump 213 with potential for 70 more if the current lead remains => 283 and Trump's lead is clear in MI and PA, > 2% in GA and NC
I really don't understand why most of you act as if Trump lost.

Haven't you noticed that truth and reality does not matter anymore? We live in a post truth world, where ideology trumps everything. Other than that, you are 100% correct.

Elections are nothing more than convenient launch pads for a color revolutions these days.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 4 2020 11:49 utc | 39

Political power is the most addictive drug that was ever created. Many millions of addicts will do anything to obtain their fix. This is why political voting ballots must be paper and publicly and openly hand counted at an extremely local level. Single points of failure will wreck democracy.

I do not trust my computer with my money! I have a whole 'separate' bank that I use only for necessary computer transactions. I do not have Microsoft Windows! You can probably install PCLOS Linux yourself, or have a geek kid install Salix Linux. These are mostly free of something insecure known as systemd infestation, which all the rest have, making them almost as bad as Windows. The Internet has baked-in insecurity simply because the people who invented it were oblivious to the possibility that some bad actors would use it to cheat innocent users.

Ranked choice (RCV/IRV) voting was also invented by people who didn't consider tampering by bad actors. That's why the simple score (aka 'range') voting is needed. Americans are oblivious to the fact that there do exist people who will gladly cheat them (especially political party operatives).

Posted by: blues | Nov 4 2020 11:56 utc | 40

Yes, thank Jesus!

I'll have the contested, knife-edge election I wished. If it is to be decided by the SCOTUS, the better.


Trump, the "antizionist POTUS":

Israeli Tweeps Pray for Trump's Re-Election as First Results Start Pouring In

A recent poll on Trump's popularity around the world put Israel as the country where he's the most popular.


On Florida: AOC tweeted last night that Biden failed to "talk to the Latino vote", hence the loss in Florida.

The problem with Florida is completely different. The Latino voters in that state are the far-right elements and their descendants, political refugees from failed operations of regime change and color revolution around Latin America. They are the scum of the scum - even Trump himself is to their left.

That's why, on the same day Biden lost in Florida to Trump, a referendum for a USD 15.00 minimum wage was easily approved. The Latinos want the money and want the good life of the American Dream - but they still want the USA to invade and bomb the left-wing governments of Latin America in order to return what's theirs "by Divine Right". The Venezuelan community to this day still petitions to the Congress for the USAF to bomb Venezuela to oblivion, as they have been doing since the rise of Hugo Chávez (1999).

Posted by: vk | Nov 4 2020 12:02 utc | 41

A few things people seem to forget:

The United States is an oligarchy

The U.S. government does not represent the interests of the majority of the country's citizens, but is instead ruled by those of the rich and powerful, a new study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.

People will not get access to healthcare, Wall Street will continue to be bailed out at the expense of Main Street, and the war machine will march on.

The Unites States ranks last in fair elections in the West

According to the EIP, U.S. elections scored lower than Argentina, South Africa, Tunisia, and Rwanda — and strikingly lower than even Brazil. Specifically compared to Western democracies, U.S. elections scored the lowest, slightly worse than the U.K., while Denmark and Finland topped the list.

The electronic voting system of the United States is is corrupt as f@#ck

ES&S, which by itself accounts for 44 percent of US election equipment, received its initial financing from the families of Nelson Bunker Hunt and Howard Ahmanson, Jr., right-wing billionaires who also contributed substantially to the Chalcedon Foundation, Christian Reconstruction’s main think tank.

Hunt and Ahmanson were also prominent early members of the Council for National Policy, a networking group for the Religious Right and billionaires whose recent members have included Kelly Anne Conway, Steve Bannon, Mike Pence, Richard DeVos, Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, Robert and Rebekka Mercer, and Bob Dallas, a convicted embezzler whose nonprofits have been closely linked to massive voter data leaks.

22% of mail-in ballots don't get counted

It begins with a stone-cold fact: Mail-in ballots are lost by the millions—especially the ballots of low-income young and minority voters, those folks often called, “Democrats.”

The seminal MIT study, Losing Votes by Mail, warns that 22% – more than one in five ballots – never get counted.

Posted by: Tobin Paz | Nov 4 2020 12:48 utc | 42

As far as I can see, the uncounted votes issue in PA is bigger than I thought - nearly 3 million. It's a lot.

State Votes left to
count (est.) Current margin Current leader
% votes

Pennsylvania 36% 2,992,000 675,012 Trump

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 12:51 utc | 43

Sorry if 44 is not well formatted.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 12:52 utc | 44

This is the most important US election in history and the Communist Deep State is trying to steal it.

Literally, our freedom is at stake. Our future, and that of our families, is at stake.

Communists don't play by the rules. They believe the "end justifies the means."

They stoop to censoring, intimidating, or even killing anyone who stands in their way.

They are quite capable of rigging this vote.

When you count the vote, you could run a mule as your candidate, and be assured of victory. Hunter Biden's laptop has shown that his father is a Chinese agent, but the Communist MSM suppressed this information. The "big guy" is a gangster, a traitor, and an unrepentant pedophile. He is also senile, bordering on demented. But, when you count the vote...

I can't believe that nearly 70 million Americans voted for this miscreant.

Only someone who planned to rig the vote would run this embarrassment. He is a raised middle finger to America and all it stands for

Posted by: Dean | Nov 4 2020 13:07 utc | 45

This is a bit shady, Pennsylvania:

In addition to whatever ballots have come in on Election Day, Pennsylvania poll workers will be able to count mail-in ballots that arrive in the next three days — even if there is not a clear postmark and even if the signature on the ballot does not match voter rolls.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 13:09 utc | 46

et us hope the polls and the media whores are as wrong as they were in 2016. I must say I'm very nervous and feel that despite the abysmal Dem team the relentless bad-mouthing of Donald Trump and the ensuing TDS could result in a massive anti-Trump vote. If the Dems win the Supreme Court will be extended to give 'liberals' and minorities an effective working majority. The Dems will then be empowered to implement the measures which ultimately will destroy America as we know it. The Second Amendment drastically narrowed down, 20 to 30 million illegals given full citizenship, PR and DC given Statehood and/or the Electoral College abandoned, immigration laws substantially weakened especially for those claiming asylum, the voting age reduced to sixteen, Obamacare fully reinstated, welfare and affirmative action receive major boosts, taxation dramatically increased, all investigations of Deep State criminality terminated.

Posted by: Sam | Nov 4 2020 13:10 utc | 47

Wow, all the pro-Trump stuff getting deposited. The Trumpies sound nervous again.

Posted by: Laguerre | Nov 4 2020 13:17 utc | 48

From FiveThiryEight (at least someone is giving out updates)

Among the larger Pennsylvania counties that have more than 98 percent of expected votes in, Trump seems to be even with or else slightly below his 2016 margins, when he won the state by 44,000 votes. In Lackawanna (Scranton), though, Biden is up by more than 4 percentage points relative to Clinton in 2016, and in Dauphin (Harrisburg) by 5 percentage points. Those are among the biggest counties that have come close to fully reporting. - Dan Hopkins

1) Biden is well on his way to flipping MI & WI (in addition to AZ & #NE02) and is doing well enough in PA's completed counties to be on track to win there
2) Polls (esp. at district-level) have rarely led us more astray & it's going to take a long time to unpack
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 4, 2020

If Biden wins AZ, NV, MI and WI that's ballgame. He could lose PA, GA and NC and he'd still have 270. — Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 4, 2020

Looks like votes from Brown and Kenosha counties have been added to the tallies in Wisconsin, and Biden’s lead over Trump is now at 0.6 percentage points, based on about a 21,000-vote margin, according to ABC News. Overall, 92 percent of the expected vote is in, but those were the two major places where we were still waiting on a big chunk of votes to be reported. - Geoffrey Skelley

Aother tranche of Michigan votes has just been reported from Democratic-leaning Ingham County, home to the state capital of Lansing, and Trump’s statewide lead dropped from 1.3 percentage points to 0.5 points. - Geoffrey Skelley

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 4 2020 13:26 utc | 49

vk @41

AOC's statement just shows how out of touch with the reality the Democrats are! They've no courage to champion real changes for the working class/minorities/underdogs but rather comfortably play the identity politics.

After the loss of 2016 election, Demos still refuses to let Sanders to run as their candidates because they fear the real changes of the status quo, even just a little bit change.

This is the same malady that all the so-called progressive/woke/left parties in Europe have been inflicted upon themselves.

Posted by: lulu | Nov 4 2020 13:30 utc | 50

Richard Steven Hack

If Biden wins AZ, NV, MI and WI that's ballgame. He could lose PA, GA and NC and he'd still have 270. — Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) November 4, 2020

Yeah there we have it, its pretty much officially over. Funny Biden will reach exactly 270 electoral votes which of course is the minimum vote to win.

Cant imagine what a horrible personal position Trump must be in now.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 13:35 utc | 51

c @ 4
"It is worth noting that one of Trumps formative influences was Roy Cohen, a classic NYC fixer closely associated with mafia types. Trumps style resembles nothing more than that of a mafia don. "

Well? At least on the world stage I believe that is how the US operates. Mafia style.

Posted by: arby | Nov 4 2020 13:36 utc | 52

Deja vu? Last night sure felt like 4 years ago. Trump won Florida earlier and Arizona may have flipped. Otherwise, the electorate appears to have remained dug in to their entrenched positions. All quiet on the western front.

One change, they appeared to stop counting at some point. No Trump victory speech. Biden wouldn't have conceded anyway. Fair enough. If the Dems flip Georgia, NC, Pennsylvania & Michigan in the next week Trump won't concede. Thus we end up where we expected to be: a contested election result. Therefore I'll stick with my prediction of 4 more years. Trump is in the White House, good luck trying to move him out. Possession will count for everything.

There are two things we can't be sure about:

1) How violent will the Left's response be to all this? Will it be so extreme to provoke a federal response or even bring the militias into play?

2) Succession. I don't think it's likely Blue states will succeed. There will be lots of talk - all bluff and bluster. However, if just one of these Dem govenors decides to succeed then you'll quickly have a monkey see, monkey do situation and many Blue states will follow. The Domino effect 50 years after Vietnam! I know it's hard to envision happening. Of course a year ago would any of us thought these Dems would lockdown entire states?

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 4 2020 13:38 utc | 53

"Weird to have popcorn for breakfast ..."


Why imply there's some reason to suppose that the votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania shouldn't be counted fully?

Puts you in an extremist position.

It's not like those votes are going to be counted fully until at least the end of the week. Then should Trump be losing, he'll seek to delegitimize the votes in those states.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 4 2020 13:41 utc | 54

It's not the vote that counts, but who count the votes.

Nothing new.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 4 2020 13:45 utc | 55

BREAKING: the winner has been confirmed!

It's the incompetent mass-murdering sociopath who plans to waste taxpayer money on bailing out rich people!

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Nov 4 2020 13:49 utc | 56

1) How violent will the Left's response be to all this? Will it be so extreme to provoke a federal response or even bring the militias into play?

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 4 2020 13:38 utc | 53

Please, those neolib imperialist supporting hypocritical reactionary cowards aren't left.

Posted by: J W | Nov 4 2020 14:00 utc | 57

IMO Biden has clinched it, with WI, MI, AZ looking at just mail-in's left, which lean to Biden, Biden is on track for a minimum of 270, even if Trump wins NC, GA, PA.

Posted by: ptb | Nov 4 2020 14:04 utc | 58

PTB - you are correct. Biden just needs Nevada, Wisconsin, and Michigan. The Republicans can then take all of the comfort they want from declaring 'the polls were wrong again' in their narrow loss.

Latino vote in FL the conventional wisdom, Cubans / Venezuelans are bloodthirsty capitalists who are firmly in the Republican party. Maybe but Biden tried to out Trump, Trump by suggesting that he'd invade Venezuela.

I have no doubt that they do not like Socialism and the majority probably are from the upper classes. But ... I'm not so sure that they are on board with the aggression and hardship we are imposing on their countries. Pompeo bragged about us cutting off remittances to Cuba and Venezuela but who is sending those remittances, rich white Europeans? Don't think so.

I'd like to see how it would play if someone appealed to the Cubans / Venezuelans to say, I'm against socialism but I am lifting sanctions just to make life better for your relatives. We will never know.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Nov 4 2020 14:34 utc | 59

I am repulsed by some of the commentary here.

First, the mail-in votes received were stamped received before polls closed.

Second, they cannot be processed twice.

Third, they are paper ballots; proof, a trail, and the voter gets a confirmation when they are processed.

Fourth, there is no damn fraud except in Trump's depraved con artist shit-disturbing and disturbed mind.

Legally, every vote received on or before election day must be counted.

It's too bad for you, Trump bootlickers, that the mail-in startd getting counted after the in-person election day votes.

It's too bad for you that the majority of those mail-ins are in heavily Democratic urban centres. In Michigan, they're counting in the county where Flint is located. Flint residents DETEST Trump and the Republican ps, ergo, those ballots are for Biden.

Biden is going to win--Get over it, damn you! Don't inflict your sore loser deceptive manipulation or try to insult people's intelligence with cockamamie, hysterical theories that are not fact-based.

Quit with your infantile troll conspiracies and feeding the bullshit scam artist, king of trolls, Trump.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 4 2020 14:43 utc | 60

Joe Biden: "We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
Joe Biden: "We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."
Joe Biden: "We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics."

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2020 14:44 utc | 61

Biden looking good in Michigan now. 138,000 votes came in overnight, every one Blue. Not a single one for Trump. Return of the Super Delegates!!!

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 4 2020 14:44 utc | 62

@Posted by: EoinW | Nov 4 2020 14:44 utc | 62

You sure on that? 138,000 to zero.

What are the impossible odds on that?

Something fishy with that, like Hillary's panties.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2020 14:49 utc | 63

Timothy Hagios | Nov 4 2020 13:49 utc | 56

BREAKING: the winner has been confirmed!

It's the incompetent mass-murdering sociopath who plans to waste taxpayer money on bailing out rich people!

Which one!

For the moment it looks like neither incompetent mass-murdering sociopath who plans to waste taxpayer money on bailing out rich people will at least admit sanity and end the "covid" lunacy.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 4 2020 14:52 utc | 64

Advocating major changes in electoral system. to be 'democratic' simple score voting. Grants as many candidates as voters want 10, or 9, or 8, down to zero votes no computers involved simply add vote on the spot (at each polling place), results publicly announced for each <=contender who received votes prior to those results being sent up to larger tabulation facilities.

Disrupts 'two-party' capture divide to conquer tyrrany. by: blues @ 22 I like it and I agree it would be disruptive to the entire fake purpose of the national elections.

The national vote is a false flag The Americans are not allowed to vote on the national government. Very large numbers of the people in the UsA governed America are, if the parties say they are qualified, permitted (licensed) <=but the vote is limited to but 3 persons; unfortunately for Americans the positions in the elected USA are 527 persons in numbers, it is that 527 that make up the elected USA government.

In each state voters can
1. vote for two senators (but c/n vote for any
<=of 98 other senators <=who comprise the Senate.
2. vote for one member of the house (but c/n vote for any
<=of the 424 other members of the house
3. vote for neither the president nor the vp
USA governed Americans are not allowed to vote for Article II persons
instead it is the state organized electoral college.
so no one votes in the national election, each state puts on an election on the same day. that's all.

What the current tie in voting tells me is that there is no, absolutely no effective leadership in USA governed American.

Posted by: snake | Nov 4 2020 14:52 utc | 65

Joe is going to be so happy:

"With the vote, Biden surpassed Barack Obama’s 2008 popular vote total."

Biden Crosses 70m Votes Mark, Leads Trump In Popular Poll

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2020 14:57 utc | 66

Have to say that as a non-USian considering two terrible candidates, and especially the grotesquerie of running a corrupt senescent on a return to status quo ante platform against the Orange Bad Man, I realize I prefer the latter if only for the admittedly remote possibility that Durham investigation isn't Kabuki and the Intelgate soft-coup leaders could see prison time for sedition.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Nov 4 2020 15:00 utc | 67

The only troll i see here is you. That's an established fact by now. a turkish troll at that. ...

Posted by: Wolverin3 | Nov 4 2020 15:02 utc | 68


Nothing came in overnight STOOPID. Every ballot has a mail stamp and processing trail.


Repeating infantile, slanderous bullshit don't make it true.


Posted by: Circe | Nov 4 2020 15:03 utc | 69

We cannot allow tyranny to be imposed by subterfuge. We have to draw the line. This election is that line.

Whatever his shortcomings, Donald Trump is a major obstacle to globalist plans. He must emerge victorious or we are doomed.

Posted by: Maggie | Nov 4 2020 15:09 utc | 70

Is it of any interest to the author that reportedly Michigan just found 138,369 votes - every one of them for Mr. Biden?

Posted by: lizzie dw | Nov 4 2020 15:10 utc | 71

There is still a chance that Biden will get PA on top of Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin that are leaning in his favour.

Don't rule PA out just yet. There are a ton of votes still being counted there.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 4 2020 15:11 utc | 72

MI, PA, NC, WI, GA ---- Trump leads in every one of these states. So the Dems have stopped counting votes here. -- Call these states for trump and he wins.

Posted by: Marie | Nov 4 2020 15:11 utc | 73

@cjc 59
right, forgot about Nevada. I think he got it tho. My curiosity abt the whole thing is satisfied anyhow.

Senate still up for grabs.

Posted by: ptb | Nov 4 2020 15:13 utc | 74

Well cui bono? I would say congrats EU, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris with their pro-identity leftist politics , pro-china and anti-russian stance will be celebrated in the EU today and Biden/Kamala will strengthen US/EU relations to stronger than through more wars and more neoliberal trade deals.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 15:18 utc | 75

re c # 3 #14.. The DNC wasn't advertising with billions on MSM.. they were buying the MSM.

Posted by: SoTexGuy | Nov 4 2020 15:20 utc | 76

Trump's comments come after several key states mysteriously stopped counting ballots on election night for the first time in perhaps ever, after which large batches of votes - seemingly all, or mostly all for Biden - tipped the race towards the former Vice President in Michigan and Wisconsin.

This is going all the way to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 4 2020 15:29 utc | 77

Trump is not happy

Last night I was leading, often solidly, in many key States, in almost all instances Democrat run & controlled. Then, one by one, they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted. VERY STRANGE, and the “pollsters” got it completely & historically wrong!
How come every time they count Mail-In ballot dumps they are so devastating in their percentage and power of destruction?

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 15:29 utc | 78

Democrats and the American media will not admit that Trump won. The plan in place is to blame Trump’s win on fraud and to use the tactics of the “Maidan Revolution” in Ukraine, recently employed again in Belarus, to prevent Trump’s inauguration.

Posted by: Jimmy | Nov 4 2020 15:31 utc | 79

librul @ 63

Precisely 0% of this tweet is "disputed." All I did was compare two different sets of numbers on NYT's website. That's called arithmetic, and it's not up for debate.

Twitter is a cancer, and Big Tech is trying to steal the election for Democrats.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 4 2020 15:33 utc | 80

President Trump will not let those cheaters steal it from under his nose!! Obviosly TRUMP has won N CAROLINA and GEORGIA, But the dam media refuses to tell the Truth, he alsoe CLEARLY won all the Rustbelt states..!

Patriots let's keep on praying for President Trump and this nation. Evils won't win!

Posted by: Ed | Nov 4 2020 15:33 utc | 81

Congrat! PRESIDENT TRUMP! Americans will support you 100% on this! We will not allow them steal this election! God bless!!!

They(the evil globalist and demonrats) were determined not to give Trump a second term by any means necessary This is not a fraud committed upon him but upon us, the American people If we dont stand up for something, we will fall for anything

Posted by: jimmy | Nov 4 2020 15:34 utc | 82

Democrats stopped Pennsylvania voting right at 64% because they see where it was going, you see by how much they are losing!!! So it’s just enough space to pour in 2 million fake Biden votes to steal Pennsylvania. Of course ABC and all democrat channels are all playing same song and pushing for Biden.
Their buts are on fire, democrats are cornered and they are colliding. This is an end for them.

Trump wins fairly, and they are trying to stop it !!

Pennsylvania Demonrat AG Josh Shapiro just got voted out of office!! 🙈🙈🙈

Posted by: mant | Nov 4 2020 15:36 utc | 83

The president is completely right for calling out this fraud .... The press was already saying it would take days to count ballots before they even knew the results…… They are as pathetic as terrorists ....... we will continue to fight and stand up to the press, socialists, Hollywood elite, cancel culture and anyone else with anti-American values ....

Posted by: jean | Nov 4 2020 15:36 utc | 84

The demmocrats had this plan the whole time and the media is helping them. they declared tight races for the democrats without a vote put up and made us wait until is was impossible for the democrats to catch the republicans and still did not declare it.they are hoping that if they do not put up the red states and put up blue states they can cheat while we all sleep and alakazam they all flip blue against all odds. this is the worst case of attempted cheating i have ever seen

Posted by: Ed | Nov 4 2020 15:37 utc | 85

President Trump said that the Democrats were going to do this. Pelosi has been saying that Biden will win no matter what the election numbers says. She said she was confident. She said that they would fumigate him out of the White House and whether he (Trump) knows it or not he will be leaving
The Democrats has this plan all along. They don’t have enough fraudulent ballots to win and so they stopped the count to fabricate more Biden Votes

Posted by: susan | Nov 4 2020 15:39 utc | 86

Jason at 35: "My prediction
Biden wins WI, MI, and NV
Trump wins PA, GA and NC"
If Biden also takes AriZona (which now seems a certainty) plus 1 out of 5 electoral college votes in NEbraska and 3 out of 4 votes in MainE) he will have enough votes in the bag to have won even if Trump wins all of PA, GA and NC.

Posted by: Coldish | Nov 4 2020 15:39 utc | 87

The polls, all of them, were wrong - massively. Did you see the blowout in Florida? I'm sure we'll be hearing more about how Brenda Snipes (fired before she could resign in 2018 because of incompetence and fraud) would have run things differently than Peter Antonacci, who was appointed by then Governor Scott to the position.

Did you notice that Democratic governors with the harshest lockdowns locked down election counting as soon as it became apparent Trump had won their state? Michigan (Whitmer), Wisconsin (Evers), Pennsylvania (Wolf), and Virginia (Northam)?

The press coverage, well you know they are all in for Kamala. Pennsylvania, where Trump was up by almost 700,000 with 64% of the vote in and only the western parts - all pro Trump - remaining and.... let's put a 'Lid" on it? Do you wonder what they are doing in that basement? Just like Michigan, Trump up by 300,000 with 65% of the vote in and..... you guessed it, let's stop counting. Especially since they all know now just how many junk-mail ballots they need to fill out and 'find' before they start counting again.

They do better in the third world. Operation Red Mirage, round two, happening now.

Posted by: marty | Nov 4 2020 15:42 utc | 88

RedState gives their early morning "count" - a provisional Trump 284 electoral votes - that would be called a victory in any other year triggering aa gracious concession in any other year - but will the Dems find a way to sabotage, delay and discover lost ballot boxess, or discard ones already voted?

The extra Biden "popular votes" naturally come from Calif-Ore-Wash. Dems would have to pull a lot of dirty tricks to put leaning red states into the solid blue columns.

No, you do not want to give up the electoral college. Upbeat note - Senate stays the same, and GOP gain four in the House. But the next fwe weeks could upset this all. Again, like the 2018 Great Vote Harvest in California when about 14 solid GOP House seats finally went Democrat, two weeks later after election day.

Have the riots begun yet - it is still early and bleary eyed here in California.

Posted by: carlos | Nov 4 2020 15:44 utc | 89

Frankly it is stunning. Here in Georgia, a conveniently timed bursting of a water pipe caused a delay in recounting the mail in ballots in democratic Fulton County. Also, they decided to call it a night and stopped counting at 10:30 PM and to resume counting this morning. Clearly, they need to know how many votes to push Biden over the top.

We shouldn't be surprised. Biden, via a Freudian slip, stated what we are experiencing: "the most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization in the history of American politics".

Posted by: barb | Nov 4 2020 15:45 utc | 90

Trump may have a point:

Also the scenario dovetails far to nicely with the "Transition Integrity Project" report giving insight in the war/lawfare games high level democrats engaged in.

Posted by: JR | Nov 4 2020 15:49 utc | 91

So while everyone was asleep and after everyone went home, Democrats in Michigan magically found a trove of 138,339 votes, and all 138,339 of those "votes" magically went to Biden? That doesn't look suspicious at all.

Posted by: george | Nov 4 2020 15:52 utc | 92

Is there an honest explanation for why major cities in a First World country cannot count votes in a national election that comes around every 4 years? Are these Democratic-run cities surprised that these elections are being held? This is the stuff of a banana republic.

Posted by: biggs | Nov 4 2020 15:52 utc | 93

Donna Brazile, a former Democratic National Committee (DNC) interim chair, has claimed that the party organisation helped Hillary Clinton’s campaign “rig” the 2016 Democratic primary against Bernie Sanders.

They’ll rig their own primaries but not a general election! Sure, I believe you.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 4 2020 15:55 utc | 94


I wasnt following the count in the first hours, but from what I understand that is how it was all over the US, they counted the votes for Trump first and it was first around some hour before midnight they suddenly stopped and began to count all the votes for Biden. That is why the counting is so skewed, count for Trump has hardly moved last 5-8 hours while the Biden votes are at the same time rised up fast.

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 4 2020 15:56 utc | 95

They’re just making up case numbers now. Wholesale. Check out the first two paragraphs of this Oct. 27 NY Times piece [1]. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out what the Times is up to:

“The United States reported a record of more than 500,000 new cases over the past week, as states and cities resorted to stricter new measures to contain the virus that is raging across the country, especially the American heartland.”

Translation: To try to keep Trump from a second term, public health officials are claiming an absurd new leap in the number of cases.

Posted by: dr phd | Nov 4 2020 15:56 utc | 96

Where is the source that 'a block of 138,000 votes all went to Biden'?
I believe that is a half truth, that Biden gained by some significant amount after a heavily pro-Democrat district had their votes tabulated. In fact, this answers Trump's conspiracy theory. Regions of a state have always been polarized. If you start counting in one area, a Republican can start out leading and then lose his lead once you count votes from another county.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Nov 4 2020 16:02 utc | 97

'Purple Rain' - Polls Were "Hilariously, Tragically Wrong"

This was not a Biden +7,8,9 or 10 election. Instead it is a nail-biter...


The polling was even worse than 2016. LOL. Should we not be skeptical at that?

Large leads in the polls leads to complacency and motivates the other side (Republicans).

This, coupled with several "October Surprises" have brought Trump to a possible victory.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 4 2020 16:03 utc | 98

Posted by: george | Nov 4 2020 15:52 utc | 92

'So while everyone was asleep and after everyone went home, Democrats in Michigan magically found a trove of 138,339 votes, and all 138,339 of those "votes" magically went to Biden? That doesn't look suspicious at all.'

I commented some time ago that the 'Globalist Elites' would rather bring the whole system down than lose. They were losing so it looks like they've decided to bring the whole system down.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Nov 4 2020 16:09 utc | 99

The MSM polls were *all* wrong - most really badly.
Wisconson, Michigan are swinging, looks like the mail-in ballots may make the difference. Pennsylvania still not clear.
But here is what is clear:
1) Senate: Republicans will not lose control.
Looks like Democrats pick up 1 seat -> 53 Republican Senate seats decrement to 52 Republican Senate seats.
2) House of Representatives.
Democrats started yesterday with 232 seats - Republicans with 198 and 4 vacant.
Present shows Democrats with 217 vs. Republican 218. Either way, a huge loss for the Democrats.

So even if Biden wins - it means no Congressional mandate. No stimulus. No Medicare For All (even if Biden wanted it). No Green New Deal.

Even a mask mandate might not pass.

This election also clearly show COVID isn't the first priority for most Americans with the Democrat party thought it would be. Latinos broke even harder for Trump than early (wrong) polls suggested.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 4 2020 16:09 utc | 100

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