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November 07, 2020

Regime Change In Washington Paves Way To More Nefarious Policies

It seems that the powers that be are finally managing to get rid of U.S. President Donald Trump.

While Trump's domestic policies have been as much to the favor of the very rich as those of his predecessors, his foreign policies were remarkably different. A Harris (Biden) regime will return to 'business as usual' and be more aggressive. That is the reason why I for one will miss Trump.

The unceremonial dethronement of Trump will also have domestic consequences. His voters will inevitably call it a fraud. A Harris (Biden) administration is unlikely to have the funds needed to fight the pandemic and its disastrous economic consequences. That together could give rise to a challenger who combines Trump's rightwing populism with political competence. That is a prospect everyone should fear.

Ever since Donald Trump entered the political stage he was fought by the military-media-intelligence establishment with ruthless campaigns designed to regime change him:

The seeds of this scheme were planted several months prior to the 2016 election when Hillary Clinton authorized a smear campaign against Trump alleging that he's secretly a “Russian agent”. It was hoped that this would discredit the race's frontrunner and thus result in handing her the presidency that November. This eventually morph into the discredited “Steele dossier” and the subsequent Russiagate conspiracy theory. The purpose of these information warfare provocations was to delegitimize Trump's election, insincerely present the Democrats as the guardians of America's electoral integrity, and therefore powerfully shape public perceptions ahead of the 2020 election. During the interim, a related narrative was weaponized claiming that Trump is a corrupt lawbreaker and wannabe dictator who'll cling to power at all costs.

Now, as it seems that Joe Biden may win the presidency, there is no longer a need to promote the fake 'Russiagate' stories.

Bryan MacDonald @27khv - 10:37 UTC · Nov 7, 2020

Amazing how quick the "Russian meddling" narrative died, in the US, once it became clear that the 'correct' candidate was going to win the election, wasn't it?
After all, the folk who pushed it don't want to delegitimise Joe Biden's forthcoming presidency.

Just in time for the election three major pillars of 'Russiagate' were thoroughly debunked and quietly buried.

Michael Tracey @mtracey - 14:51 UTC · Nov 3, 2020

Amazing. Hours before Election Day comes news that Mueller aggressively tried to prosecute Assange and Roger Stone for a conspiracy related to the 2016 DNC/Podesta emails, but ran into "factual...hurdles" which could not establish any conspiracy. Perfect time to memory-hole this

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Raw intelligence - Meduza spoke to all the likely sources behind the ‘Steele dossier.’ The report that forever transformed Donald Trump into a ‘Russian agent’ looks less and less convincing.
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Self-styled whistleblower Christopher Wylie and The Guardian reporter Carole Cadwalladr earned film deals and flashy awards by blaming Brexit and Trump on a sweeping conspiracy between data firm Cambridge Analytica and Russia. A British government investigation shatters their claims to fame.

It is no wonder then that Trump's followers now doubt all vote counts that disfavor him.

Max Abrahms @MaxAbrahms - 12:50 UTC · Nov 6, 2020
Mainstream media has played a huge role in eroding American confidence in our elections. They spent four years saying Trump’s 2016 win was just a gift from Putin. Now the media is incredulous that so many Americans don’t trust the electoral system they succeeded in discrediting.

Given the way Trump was fought throughout the last four and a half years it is hard to believe that the current part of the process, especially the counting of absentee / mail-in votes, is handled without similar shenanigans taking place.

Consider what a 2012 New York Times piece on mail-in ballots had to say:

Election administrators have a shorthand name for a central weakness of voting by mail. They call it granny farming.

“The problem,” said Murray A. Greenberg, a former county attorney in Miami, “is really with the collection of absentee ballots at the senior citizen centers.” In Florida, people affiliated with political campaigns “help people vote absentee,” he said. “And help is in quotation marks.”

Voters in nursing homes can be subjected to subtle pressure, outright intimidation or fraud. The secrecy of their voting is easily compromised. And their ballots can be intercepted both coming and going.

The problem is not limited to the elderly, of course. Absentee ballots also make it much easier to buy and sell votes. In recent years, courts have invalidated mayoral elections in Illinois and Indiana because of fraudulent absentee ballots.

And what about this? Why are private media companies allowed to selectively censor the president?

Michael Tracey @mtracey - 15:14 UTC · Nov 6, 2020

The majority of Trump's recent tweets are currently censored. I don't care how misleading or even false they are. That's not for Twitter to arbitrate. People cheering this power-grab by unelected tech officials are authoritarian dupes

Claiming that 'Trump is evil' or that he lies as all politicians do does not justify this.

From an international perspective Trump is certainly not the worst president ever:

Without Trump, the world stage will be poorer. Trump was good for world peace. He didn’t start a war anywhere, which is not something that can be said for most of his predecessors. Trump was a master of skulduggery — a farcical coup attempt in Venezuela, a ghastly political assassination in Iraq — but indeed knew where to stop when Iran rained a hundred missiles on the American bases in Iraq.

Trump claimed to be ever ready to have a battle but never had one. He vowed to unleash “fire and fury” on North Korea but ended up saying, “We fell in love”, after the [then] historic meeting in 2018 with Kim Jong Un. In reality, Trump unwittingly speeded up the processes favouring multipolarity.

We will of course not miss Mike Pompous, the most lying Secretary of State ever, or Matthew Pottinger who tried his best to antagonize China. Nor will we miss Marshall Bellingslea who intended to destroy all the arms control agreements that have kept this planet alive.

But those were side figures and much less effective than they would have been with the full backing of a competent president. They are mere rats who are now already leaving the ship.

Ragıp Soylu @ragipsoylu - 10:13 UTC · Nov 7, 2020

James Jeffrey, US Special Envoy for Syria, is leaving his post after an apparent Biden victory — Asharq Al-Awsat

What we must fear now is the 'business as usual' that is coming next:

Trump has not been defeated by a Bernie Sanders; he has been defeated by a corrupt political hack backed to the hilt by the large majority of the billionaire owned media, financed out of Wall street and with no intention of pursuing anything other than neo-liberal economic policies. It is also the firm re-establishment of the rule of the security state and the military-industrial complex. Trump’s instinctive isolationism made him an enemy of the security state interest which spent a great deal of time in trying to undermine its President.

With Biden we will return to business as usual, and that means war and invasions. Under Trump we have had no new wars started, even if he continued old ones with little control. Without Trump, I have not the tiniest doubt that Syria would have been bombed back to the Stone Age, exactly like Libya, and millions more people would have been killed. Irrespective of the undoubted damage Trump has caused inside the United States across many fronts, Hillary would have killed a lot more people. Just not Americans.

The Harris (Biden) foreign policy will be much more aggressive than Trump's has ever been:

The Biden campaign has worked tirelessly over the past year to channel the image of Joe Biden as a “serious person,” particularly on foreign policy matters. Biden, according to this narrative, is an elder statesman who grasps the intricacies of international politics. Trump, by contrast, is presented as an inept bull in a china shop who only speaks the language of “fire and fury.” Only Biden, we are told, can bring back stability around the globe.

 

Don’t believe a word of it. This carefully curated image of Joe Biden’s strategic acumen and geopolitical foresight is at odds with the former vice president’s own stated views and policy track record. His statements about a variety of countries suggest that they are based less on a strategic view of world affairs than snap judgments.

The Harris (Biden) regime is likely to concentrate on foreign policy because it will, for lack of money, have trouble to be effective on domestic issues.

The Senate is likely to stay under Republican control. After trillions of deficits accumulated under Trump the Republicans will now, under a Democratic president, again find their inner deficit hawk:

Chris Cioffi @ReporterCioffi - 16:00 UTC · Nov 6, 2020

Senate committee talk from Graham: If we keep the Senate which I think we will and I become Budget chairman. I'd like to create a dialogue about how can we finally begin to address the debt.

While a runaway pandemic unleashes its devastating economic consequences the new Republican austerity position is likely to have catastrophic effects.

For the next four years Trump and his followers will inevitably claim that fraud must have played a role in his loss.

James Melville @JamesMelville 23:33 UTC · Nov 4, 2020

In the movie “Citizen Kane,” a tycoon runs for political office. In advance of the election result, his newspaper prepares two headlines after the election. One headline says: “Kane Elected” and the other says: “Fraud At Polls.”
This feels spookily prophetic today.

We have reasons to fear what is likely to evolve from this.

chinahand @chinahand - 15:12 UTC · Nov 4, 2020

Watching trumpers bringing the dolchstoss is nice support for my thesis "the dark energy of fascism will draw its power from trump's defeat not his victory"

The disputed election, the gigantic economic downturn and an aggressive foreign policy will pave the way for a more effective populist:

Make no mistake: The attempt to harness Trumpism—without Trump, but with calculated, refined, and smarter political talent—is coming. And it won’t be easy to make the next Trumpist a one-term president. He will not be so clumsy or vulnerable. He will get into office less by luck than by skill.
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At the moment, the Democratic Party risks celebrating Trump’s loss and moving on—an acute danger, especially because many of its constituencies, the ones that drove Trump’s loss, are understandably tired. A political nap for a few years probably looks appealing to many who opposed Trump, but the real message of this election is not that Trump lost and Democrats triumphed. It’s that a weak and untalented politician lost, while the rest of his party has completely entrenched its power over every other branch of government: the perfect setup for a talented right-wing populist to sweep into office in 2024. And make no mistake: They’re all thinking about it.

While I would not have voted for Trump I rue what is following him.

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Yeah people are so concentrated on the forest they are missing the so ussual you forget about 'em trees.
I'm shocked at the number of journalists who are acting surprised that the NY Post and Fox News, two of Murdoch's most persuasive amerikan media outlets have swung behind the Biden prezdency. Murdoch has supported alleged 'left of center' candidates many times before, Tony Blair & William Clinton being a couple of the most obvious examples.

Murdoch doesn't care what 'team' his satraps claim to belong to as long as they do as they are told, so that rupert can continue to cop his fixer's fee for ensuring megadeals go through.

The NY Post release of Hunter Biden's laptoop was a shot across Biden's bow. For all we know Murdoch may have organised the facebook/twitter censorship prior to the Post's article being published. Why? - because he wanted to let the dems know he had a stack of incriminating information on biden and was prepared to use it if need be.

J Edgar Hoover had nothing on murdoch when it comes to collecting and using compramat. I'm sure he has plenty more on both biden & harris, just as he had plenty on trump.

IOW dims should not be celebrating the fact that both the NY Post & Fox are also calling a biden win, when in reality it is just another murdoch win.

One more thing it costs a great deal of money to force a recount. One of James Baker's lawyer offsiders has been blathering that the 2000 Florida recount cost about millions back in 2000. They had to pay rethug lawyers to argue the case and then pay other lawyers to undertake the recount - WTH is trump gonna find the dough to force recounts in the multiple states he believes he was robbed. Some states don't charge if the recount says you won but others dont refund. Some states give a recount if the difference is less than 1% others don't. Regardless hiring a gang of sharp-suited lawyers to argue a case through state & federal courts all the way to Scotus is a very expensive exercise & orangeutan claims to want to be running different suits in different states.

Coincidentally Murdoch's NYPost ran this story on that exact subject.
So Murdoch reassuring the elites he has this biden/harris thing covered makes it highly unlikely that many billionaires are going to shell out on something that (a) could be a loser and (B) doesn't matter since biden will do what they want anyhow.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 8 2020 6:03 utc | 301

@299 juliania

Thank you for teaching me how to format a link! This moment in time is filled with ironies ;) And this is the way of reality, to chide us for taking things so seriously.

That correctly formed link to the Jonathan Cook article is this:

The task before ‘Sleepy Joe’ is to put liberal America right back to sleep

I again highly recommend the short read for a great summation of the situation.

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Sorry that I screwed up the link - great that no one's page was broken - better to err on the side of no information than too much ???

It is wonderful how the goddess of irony is our constant and most faithful companion.

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 8 2020 6:27 utc | 302

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 8 2020 5:54 utc | 302

WTF are you talking about that I'm making anything up? You said, earlier, that the Iranian missile attacks on US bases, which apparently we at least both agree were phoned in, was a "casus belli" that peacenick Donald Trump ignored and therefore it proves he isn't a warmonger because he didn't use the incident as pretense for making war on Iran. Did you not say that in a conversation with jackrabbit? If not, please explain what you DID say.

Regarding nobody dying, that was the WHOLE point of phoning it in - to make sure that it WOULD NOT end up as a real "casus belli" - so you need to make up your mind. If a bunch of American soldiers had died, it would probably have risen to that level within Trump's inner circle and the "national security" community and Trump would have attacked. But they didn't die, so it wasn't casus belli. You can't have it both ways, it's one or the other. Please let me know if you're not a native English speaker and whether this doesn't make sense, because it's not complicated. Trump not attacking Iran when they retaliated for the death of their General and his envoy is precisely BECAUSE the reprisal missile attack WAS NOT casus belli.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 6:49 utc | 303

@JB | Nov 8 2020 0:12 utc | 245
I agree 100% This is shocking behavior.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 8 2020 6:58 utc | 304

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 8 2020 1:33 utc | 264


Ohhhhhkay. I think I know where you were going with it the first time you responded to jackrabbit and used the term casus belli. If my interpretation of what you said in that post is correct, you were saying that Trump COULD HAVE used the missile attack as casus belli if he had wanted to, but chose not to (and therefore is a non-warmonger president?).

Either way, that's simply not true. The missile attack was NOT casus belli for an attack on Iran because it was designed not to be and the Americans were forewarned so that nobody would die. It was a PR stunt for Iran and a statement that they have the ability to accurately deliver deadly missile strikes against the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel if provoked further.

My problem with the way you used the term casus belli after jackrabbit first broached it is that it's very easy to read your post #264 as an implied claim that the reprisal attack would have been used by any OTHER president as a case to go to war on Iran. Again, I would like clarification from you - is that what you meant or not, and if not what did you mean?

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 6:59 utc | 305

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 0:25 utc | 251

You do realize that you spelled your name wrong TWICE, right? For a second there I thought either someone was vanity trolling you or that you had been kicked off the site and were using a different name to get by whatever filters b has in place.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 7:02 utc | 306

@NemesisCalling | Nov 8 2020 0:20 utc | 249
To be clear, my comment about shocking behavior refers to Mr. Hack only.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 8 2020 7:03 utc | 307

Not to belabor the issue here, but:

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 8 2020 5:54 utc | 302

"that's why I never said nobody was killed" would also imply that you seem to think someone WAS killed in the Iranian reprisal attack on American bases. OR did you think I was trying to say that you said nobody was killed in the original attack on Soleimani? Either way, you should take the time to read more carefully and also try to phrase your responses in as clear and straightforward a manner as possible. You used ambiguous language or lost track of which incident was being mentioned and then assumed that my response to you was saying something that it actually wasn't.

Nobody was killed == discussion of the Iranian reprisal attack.

I wouldn't assume ANYONE would say nobody was killed when Soleimani was.......wait for it.....KILLED. But that appears to be what YOU assumed I was thinking because you have a habit of talking down to people without actually digesting what is being told to you. I've seen several posts from you where you accuse people of being children or questioning their mental capacity simply because they disagree with you OR because YOU misinterpreted something that they said to you.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 7:08 utc | 308

I decided to trace this conversation and the allegation that you were claiming Trump had legitimate reasons to attack Iran but refused to. In fact that is what you said:

Also, you have not answered the question as to why he held back previously. On at least 3 occasion he had a good reason to act. I would look for an answer to this first.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 7 2020 23:46 utc | 231

Obviously, whether you realize it or not, this is universally interpreted as saying that Donald Trump had 3 LEGITIMATE reasons to attack Iran, but chose not to.

One of these occasions is obviously the reprisal missile attacks for the killing of Soleimani. So you DO think that that phoned in, non fatal attack was casus belli that peacenick, non warmonger Donald Trump ignored in deciding not to make war on Iran, and that, say, Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton would have gone to war with them.

What are the other 2 ALLEGED cases of casus belli where you seem to think McDonald Trump was somehow able to overcome the full weight of the warmonger blog and NOT make war where any OTHER president would have?

Perhaps an even simpler question should be asked: Given the lack of opportunities to launch wars like Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, do you feel that Trump is less of a warmonger than Biden? If so, why?

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 7:15 utc | 309

"Perhaps an even simpler question should be asked: Given the lack of opportunities to launch wars like Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, do you feel that Trump is less of a warmonger than Biden? If so, why?" Oh, you know. Shit just happens (or not).

Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2020 7:56 utc | 310

In my country there was a coup back in the day, and similar actors to the ones who have accused Trump of Russian collusion caused our coup. I have seen all of the destabilising tactics before, the constant new lies, making the government unworkable, the demonstrations in the street, the chaos (in 2020 US BLM, in 2016 #MeToo etc)

I would never vote for someone like Trump, but I have watched how Trump, a legitimately elected President, has been destabilised every day, every day, every day of his Presidency, by every means possible. They mocked him, they lied about him, they used legal means to try and remove him, the press whipped up frenzies about him every day. Starting before he was in office.
They said a US President is not authorised to make foreign policy at one point ffs.

The same people who ran campaigns in Venezuala or Indonesia or Chile or Syria have run this one out of the change of regime playbook, it is pretty obvious from afar. But their incompetence has been on show this time because Biden has only scraped in with all of that help.

It will only stop for Trump if he just packs his tent and goes away. But if he fights back, if he whips up his supporters now that he isn't President, they will come for him in the Courts, to ruin him financially. Or to have another woman accuse him of rape (Assange tactic).
They will try and break him if he remains a popular figure. And I think Republicans with deep ties to regime change will be part of it.

Posted by: Harvey | Nov 8 2020 7:58 utc | 311

"It will only stop for Trump if he just packs his tent and goes away. But if he fights back, if he whips up his supporters now that he isn't President, they will come for him in the Courts, to ruin him financially. Or to have another woman accuse him of rape (Assange tactic)."

It's not just the Democrat Party. It's the CIA too. We pay them to...
Fuck up our lives.

Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2020 8:19 utc | 312


A Florida husband said he fatally shot his pregnant wife after waking up in the middle of the night and thinking she was an intruder.by: Don Bacon @ 276 yes 11 nation states with guns invaded Yemen, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, Venezuela, they raped and killed the local residents, destroyed the infrastructure the residents needed to maintain their quality of life, used nation state internationally organized sanctions to starve the local populations and deprive their sick of medicine, they dropped bombs wherever they could Until you take the guns and weapons from the warlord nation states, you can forget taking the guns from the Americans. It ain't gonna happen..

..I know there's more .. Writing on the wall by: Circe 215 and 265 <=yes Trump will never win the ex President's golf tournament.

RShack @ 223 . Sadly republicans believe the President is from Israel, democrats are certain the President is from Russia and both China and Russia believe the president is from the America. Netanyohu mourns the lost of a manageable friend and the City of London, Wall Street and the HK exchange are, for the time being, planning to limit their rape and pillage to the world.


So, what kind of war is left to fight? If it’s not conventional, nukes or conventional @ Sakineh Bagoom #231 I think unclassified types of war are likely to be found in ungovernable America. From behind trees, dark alleys and social media: tall buildings, long bridges and other infra structure may thud to the ground..fires may rage through the woods, and strange viri may devastate entire neighborhoods. water supplies, sewer systems, power grids .. may render unfit America and leave the USA with nothing to govern.. Without leadership or a democratic system capable to educate, organize and tame the masses, America will be destroyed, I fear. The elections proved the 7 layers of privately organized corrupts, and the two divide and conquer political parties that will not allow either candidate to lead. A leader independent of the USA needs to rise.. one that is not a part of, or subject to, the power of the privately orchestrated two party system that staffs the USA and supports the 7 private tiers of that control the USA.

Posted by: snake | Nov 8 2020 8:27 utc | 313

Posted by: Circe | Nov 8 2020 1:36 utc | 265

I am glad you’re glad, but I am not glad that a walking corrupt cadaver is going to take the place of sitting corrupt boor, then again, there was no election, meaning there was no real choice, the ship of empire follows its course full speed ahead while the icebergs await.

From this house to the White House with the grace of God. Joe Biden 11-3-2020

How curious, for almost half a century the same motto was stamped in all circulating coins in Spain, Francisco Franco, Caudillo de España por la Gracia de Dios, something like: Franco Spain’s Fuhrer by the Grace of God.

I only wish God, religion and sex would never leave home to cause so much distress in public places.

Cheers, I can not say congratulations since I understand your joy, but I cannot share it.

Posted by: Paco | Nov 8 2020 8:30 utc | 314

posted by Arch Bungle | Nov 8 2020 1:04 utc | 258

"I swear I will never understand the urge humans have to take flawed men, lacking in almost all virtue and raise them as gods over themselves for rulers"

That urge is not driven by affinity but by repulsion. A perfect system where consumers actively place themselves in a captive market. Here is a system where folks with little thirst for soda are just about ready to kill to prevent the wrong brand from being served. And as long as they are kicking and scratching, they will not be discussing common grievances like, say, type 2 diabetes.


I'm guessing that the elite is certainly satisfied but not very surprised that the system which sustains them will endure. What must be reassuring is watching the entire damn country fight FOR them.

Posted by: robin | Nov 8 2020 8:31 utc | 315

"I'm guessing that the elite is certainly satisfied but not very surprised that the system which sustains them will endure. What must be reassuring is watching the entire damn country fight FOR them."

Yes. Get simple SCORE voting?

Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2020 8:53 utc | 316

Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2020 7:56 utc | 313

Dafuq

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 9:08 utc | 317

WTF weird glitch there. Wonder if CIA is back-dooring me.

Posted by: blues | Nov 8 2020 7:56 utc | 313

dafuq does that mean? "Oh, you know. Shit just happens (or not)."


Could you maybe try to answer my question? Trump didn't have any low hanging wars (not even saying fruit anymore). Bush and Obama did. So what's your point about Trump the peacenik. How much money was diverted from the military to civilian infrastructure improvements, for example? If not very much, show me how the Dimms prevented his grand plans (which didn't exist).

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 9:11 utc | 318

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 6:49 utc | 306

You're utterly wasting your time with Bagoom. Just a head's up. Just ignore him like I do.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 9:18 utc | 319

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 7:02 utc | 309 You do realize that you spelled your name wrong TWICE, right?

Yeah. I accidentally changed it somehow, then the browser leaves it in the field between posts, so it got used for multiple posts.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 8 2020 7:03 utc | 310 To be clear, my comment about shocking behavior refers to Mr. Hack only.

Of course it does. Your own troll behavior is, of course, utterly within the bounds of Internet protocol, as I described here earlier. In any event, I couldn't care less. If b is unhappy with me, he will email me as he has done before and I will agree to what he requests. You, on the other hand, can fuck off.


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 9:26 utc | 320

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 9:18 utc | 322

But why? Is he a rabid Trump fan pretending to be a neutral critic of US foreign policy? Or has he not made his actual views on the political side known? From what I gather he's a pretty regular poster so I'd like some clarification form him so that I can make a decision on how to respond (or not) to his comments/replies in the future? Is he just a Trump fan?

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 9:30 utc | 321

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 9:30 utc | 324

No. He's simply incapable of comprehending the possibility that a war with Iran is possible. He appears to assume that *any* such conflict will immediately go nuclear when Russia and China fight on Iran's side. It's never made any sense.

I mean, you can try if you like. But you'll be banging your head against the wall before too many exchanges with him. I've been through that and now I just ignore him whenever he pops in - which is ninety nine percent of the time the minute I comment on Iran. He appears to be a one-issue reader - that issue being Iran. And he assumes I'm some warmonger that actually wants a war with Iran. I don't know, maybe English isn't his strong suit or something. Good luck.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 9:41 utc | 322

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 9:41 utc | 325

OK cool. What I WILL say is that he's kind of a dick and a condescending prick right up front. I can see the merit and validity of someone like say....you....playing that role, but this guy has been straight up rude and dismissive in the same exact ways that I saw assholes behaving when I was cutting my teeth in these comment sections, including Billmon's site, back during the Bush years when geniuses like him would wield their superior knowledge to swat down us plebes questioning BushCheney's illegal wars.

Blah blah. Sorry to drag it out but I hope he replies.

P.s. did you say that b emails you directly? Crazy.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 9:50 utc | 323

@Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 9:26 utc | 323
Your good wishes are returned with a bonus.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 8 2020 9:59 utc | 324

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 9:50 utc | 326 P.s. did you say that b emails you directly? Crazy.

Yeah, if I post too often - like the last couple days. He warns me to slow it down, so I don't "dominate the conversation."

Before today I've been posting every time I see a comment to respond to. What I *should* do - and I don't know why I didn't think of this before because everyone else does it - is read a comment, compose my quote and reply into a text editor, then move on to the next comment, and when I'm done, post all my responses to everyone in one post. That's what I'll try to do from now on - except of course for exchanges like this one.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 8 2020 10:03 utc | 325

- Look at the following list:

Steve Bannon arrested.
Jeffrey Epstein was arrested and then was allowed to kill himself.
Michael Cohen arrested and convicted.
Paul Manafort arrested and convicted.
The russiagate hoax + Mueller inquiry (which ended with a dud). Ghislaine Maxwell arrested.

- I see a common denominator in all these things happening (and I am sure I missed a few things): Make the life of one president Donald J. Trump as miserable as possible.
- It will be interesting to see if "The Donald" will be sued by the Department of Justice under the Biden administration. Trump has - like many other politicians - a closet full of dirt/skeletons that can be used against him. To make life of one Donald J. Trump even more miserable.

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 8 2020 10:03 utc | 326

@Willy2 | Nov 8 2020 10:03 utc | 329
What happened to Steve Bannon's "War Room" on youtube? I watched parts of it as a kind of bizarre entertainment for a couple of days after the election, supposedly there was lots of things going on. But now it seems to have fallen off the edge of the earth or something.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 8 2020 10:14 utc | 327

"While I would not have voted for Trump I rue what is following him."

And this is why neoliberalism and neoconservatism will run American and it's chained Western vassal states into the ground.

"While I support this position that is socially unacceptable to hold, I won't like to vote for somebody embodying it who is socially acceptable whose thrusting of this policy into the Overton when nobody else will might bring change."
"I'd rather compromise my principals with this man who is socially acceptable"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You'll be waiting for an alternative that will never come.

Posted by: Altai | Nov 8 2020 10:50 utc | 328

regime-change-in-washington-paves-way-for-more-nefarious-polcies:

The Green "New" Deal hoax gets shots both of its Chinese/US 0.1% arms, while 99.9% Western middle class and poor die on the tables: these Californian, German etc. turkeys voted for Christmas.

Happy Hunter-ing.

Simply don't look at Chinese CO2 emissions and sleep well: they are following the (ridiculous) Paris agreement right?

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 8 2020 10:59 utc | 329

Bunny: "He simply didn't have cassus belli."
Bunny: "USA accepted a missile attack to avoid war."

Needs a casus belli to start a war, but then avoids war when presented with a casus belli. Hmm...

Isn't it amazing how Americans can hold contradicting notions in their heads simultaneously and not suffer cognitive dissonance? It takes a lifetime of practice!

So Trump was the Deep State's tool being cast as "Glorious Leader" through various self-destructive antics by that Deep State in order to initiate war on behalf of that same Deep State, but then when given the perfect excuse for war Trump was stopped by the Deep State that supposedly brought in Trump specifically for that war?

Cartoon logic that one expects from a harebrained bunny.

Why can't people accept the fact that Trump wasn't the establishment's chosen tool, and the establishment wasn't happy that the American public defied all predictions (which is why the polls were wrong) to elect Trump, and that it was Trump who was the "adult in the room" who stymied the establishment's efforts to "Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb Iran!" (J. McCain, may his soul writhe in agony)?

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 12:51 utc | 330

Richard Steven Hack says:

If b is unhappy with me, he will email me as he has done before and I will agree to what he requests

Wow, first you defer to big brother and strap on your face diaper...and now we get this confession of tender surrender...an anarchic epithet for the ages!

I guess all those years as a prison tart pretty much wasted your resistance.

Posted by: john | Nov 8 2020 13:01 utc | 331

@William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 12:51 utc | 333

Isn't it amazing how Americans can hold contradicting notions in their heads simultaneously and not suffer cognitive dissonance? It takes a lifetime of practice!
Well, actually that is the very definition of doublethink, required practice for any citizen in the 1984 dystopia that is being implemented.


Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 8 2020 13:03 utc | 332

I can see postmarked the day before and counting absentee ballots that come in before election day first. I can see checking to see if people have requested absentee ballots have already voted. If a ballot has not already been received there needs to be a way to make sure any ballots filled out can be matched against those coming in later up to a reasonable deadline absentee voters and USPS should be required to meet and have procedures and adequate funding in place. Counties, states and the federal government probably should have polling places, DMVs, and Post Offices all next to each other. Do motor voter registration and be sure to require documentation adequate for both drivers license/state id and voter registration. It probably is necessary to have ids with citizenship status, perhaps issue two ids, one with citizenship status to be required only when legally necessary, as in voting.

It looks to me like both flavors of the Republicratic Party wants to be able to cry foul. Of course many votes will come in late and mostly for Biden, or rather against the other guy. Also Trump gained with every race and gender except white males due to his unwise attacks on the Sanders crossover voters so of course he was on track to lose a close deception unlike 2016 where he narrowly won. Even if the crazy voter fraud conspiracies that and the 25% of voting machines being Soros connected that make even Russia-gate sound legit in comparison are true there is the remaining 75% of black box voting machines that are mostly being programmed by felons (and its proprietary, you cannot see it) and run by Repugnant party hacks. You can be sure for every vote Demonbrats try to steal through voter fraud where it is almost impossible to get a left leaning person to even bother to vote once on a sunny day Republicans steal two orders of magnitude more in a way that is two orders of magnitude more difficult to prove -- election fraud, like kicking 16.7 million voters off the rolls and requiring witnesses for absentee ballots and also mailing them in and other insane requirements are not enough. So it sounds like even The Saker and his crowd has descended into their own form of either Russia-gate-like nonsense or hypocrisy.

As for Trump supporters who are complete aholes like Mike Bastard in Last Man Shooting Himself in the Foot or whatever his name is in whatever the name of that tell a lie to your vision show is that still think Al Gore was a sore loser (or finally get it after having to walk in a Son of a Bush Hater's shoes 20 years later) I have no empathy or sympathy. Period. End of story. In the cases of many (almost certainly most) Trump Chumps Deception 2020 is Karma 2020.

Posted by: William Haught | Nov 8 2020 13:16 utc | 333

Somebody up the thread claimed Brezhnev lived to 80. In fact he died at 75 and his relative decrepitude was mocked in Western media for years before that, perhaps to divert attention from Reagan being no spring chicken.

Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 8 2020 13:25 utc | 334

Not sure what happened, if my post was deleted (I'm now obviously very unhappy with even most members of most Alt-Media crowds as well as Establishment ones) or didn't go though, but here it is one last time in perhaps a more appropriate broader thread. As I clearly state, I think even The Saker crowd has descended into nonsense even if all allegations are even true since it is only part of the story. As for MoonofAlabama, it seems if he and his crowd either gets it or a least is a little closer to actually getting it. The commentary on Murdoch's throwing of Agent Orange not just in back of the bus but underneath it the moment it becomes convenient to do so, that it should be no surprise is an example.

I can see postmarked the day before and counting absentee ballots that come in before election day first. I can see checking to see if people have requested absentee ballots have already voted. If a ballot has not already been received there needs to be a way to make sure any ballots filled out can be matched against those coming in later up to a reasonable deadline absentee voters and USPS should be required to meet and have procedures and adequate funding in place. Counties, states and the federal government probably should have polling places, DMVs, and Post Offices all next to each other. Do motor voter registration and be sure to require documentation adequate for both drivers license/state id and voter registration. It probably is necessary to have ids with citizenship status, perhaps issue two ids, one with citizenship status to be required only when legally necessary, as in voting.

It looks to me like both flavors of the Republicratic Party wants to be able to cry foul. Of course many votes will come in late and mostly for Biden, or rather against the other guy. Also Trump gained with every race and gender except white males due to his unwise attacks on the Sanders crossover voters so of course he was on track to lose a close deception unlike 2016 where he narrowly won. Even if the crazy voter fraud conspiracies that and the 25% of voting machines being Soros connected that make even Russia-gate sound legit in comparison are true there is the remaining 75% of black box voting machines that are mostly being programmed by felons (and its proprietary, you cannot see it) and run by Repugnant party hacks. You can be sure for every vote Demonbrats try to steal through voter fraud where it is almost impossible to get a left leaning person to even bother to vote once on a sunny day Republicans steal two orders of magnitude more in a way that is two orders of magnitude more difficult to prove -- election fraud, like kicking 16.7 million voters off the rolls and requiring witnesses for absentee ballots and also mailing them in and other insane requirements are not enough. So it sounds like even The Saker and his crowd has descended into their own form of either Russia-gate-like nonsense or hypocrisy.

As for Trump supporters who are complete aholes like Mike Bastard in Last Man Shooting Himself in the Foot or whatever his name is in whatever the name of that tell a lie to your vision show is that still think Al Gore was a sore loser (or finally get it after having to walk in a Son of a Bush Hater's shoes 20 years later) I have no empathy or sympathy. Period. End of story. In the cases of many (almost certainly most) Trump Chumps Deception 2020 is Karma 2020.

Posted by: William Haught | Nov 8 2020 13:44 utc | 335

I thought I was posting to "Election Week in Review" during my last posting. I had multiple windows up.

Posted by: William Haught | Nov 8 2020 13:52 utc | 336

I think that the mark of a Biden presidency is whether he can embrace the progressive side of his party probably best represented by AOC. Biden is an 'establishment' dem like the Cintons, Obama , Pelosi etc who are status quo types. It's AOC who wants Medicare for All, $15 minimum wage etc. I think if he does this it will be the best defense against a Republican candidate in 4 years.

""The congresswoman said Joe Biden’s relationship with progressives would hinge on his actions.

For months, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been a good soldier for the Democratic Party and Joseph R. Biden Jr. as he sought to defeat President Trump.

But on Saturday, in a nearly hour long interview shortly after President-elect Biden was declared the winner, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez made clear the divisions within the party that animated the primary still exist.

Well, I think the central one is that we aren’t in a free fall to hell anymore. But whether we’re going to pick ourselves up or not is the lingering question. We paused this precipitous descent. And the question is if and how we will build ourselves back up.

But we also learned that progressive policies do not hurt candidates. Every single candidate that co-sponsored Medicare for All in a swing district kept their seat. We also know that co-sponsoring the Green New Deal was not a sinker. Mike Levin was an original co-sponsor of the legislation, and he kept his seat.""

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/aoc-biden-progressives.html?smid=tw-share

Importantly, AOC is also a Stephanie Kelton fan which makes her anti-austerity.

https://stephaniekelton.com/book/

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 8 2020 14:01 utc | 337

Lex @ 266

" I’d bet my next year’s pay that the Steele dossier was Russian disinformation from the beginning."

I'd bet that you would lose your next year's pay.

Posted by: arby | Nov 8 2020 14:04 utc | 338

WTF are you talking about that I'm making anything up? You said, earlier, that the Iranian missile attacks on US bases, which apparently we at least both agree were phoned in, was a "casus belli" that peacenick Donald Trump ignored and therefore it proves he isn't a warmonger because he didn't use the incident as pretense for making war on Iran. Did you not say that in a conversation with jackrabbit? If not, please explain what you DID say.
Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 8 2020 6:49 utc | 306 and other posts

_K_C_, here is what I said. First, the orange man is not a peacenik and is a full-on warmonger. Second, you were talking about people getting killed. I wasn’t talking about the numbers of killed, or those that got “head aches.”
Jackrabbit and his mentor RSH maintain that the orange man and more importantly his masters in Israel want war with Iran. In the case of the mendacious one (the mentor), he’s been saying it for over a decade.
My contention is, if they want war, and have been wanting it for over a decade, and can use any event, be it a false-flag op, or something else, they had excellent reasons/excuses, that required nothing false, to start the war with Iran. Why didn’t they?
Not because they were peaceniks, but because, the military, which took it up the butt for their president on this one, does not have the capacity to respond.

As for whether I am native English speaker, it’s irrelevant.
Ad-hominems won't help you with logic.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 8 2020 14:05 utc | 339

Bunny: "He simply didn't have cassus belli."
Bunny: "USA accepted a missile attack to avoid war."
Needs a casus belli to start a war, but then avoids war when presented with a casus belli. Hmm...
Isn't it amazing how Americans can hold contradicting notions in their heads simultaneously and not suffer cognitive dissonance? It takes a lifetime of practice!
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 12:51 utc | 333

Thank you William Gruff. I’m told, the bunny, like Alice that went down the rabbit hole, can hold six thoughts all at once.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 8 2020 14:15 utc | 340

William Gruff @Nov8 12:51 333

Needs a casus belli to start a war, but then avoids war when presented with a casus belli. Hmm...

_K_C_ explains it for you in several comments starting @Nov8 3:48 #286.

Enjoy!

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 14:18 utc | 341

Sakineh Bagoom @Nov8 14:15 #342

... the bunny, like Alice that went down the rabbit hole, can hold six thoughts all at once.

=

_K_C_ @Nov8 9:50 #326

[Referring to Sakineh Bagoom:] I WILL say is that he's kind of a dick and a condescending prick ...

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 14:23 utc | 342

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 14:23 utc | 344
Like I said to kc, ad-hominems won't help you with logic.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 8 2020 14:44 utc | 343

Circe, 215:

You had perfectly valid points, including the ones about b. But then you destroyed your credibility by going on about Putin and Russia.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 8 2020 14:49 utc | 344

Isn't it amazing how Americans can hold contradicting notions in their heads simultaneously and not suffer cognitive dissonance? It takes a lifetime of practice!
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 8 2020 12:51 utc | 333

It takes a lifetime of media indoctrination, reinforced daily, hell, hourly at this point. A consistent message delivered relentlessly from every direction, with opposing views just as relentlessly mocked and reviled. Americans have been marinated in lies for so long they literally no longer trust their own perceptions.

Posted by: mena | Nov 8 2020 15:18 utc | 345

Sakineh Bagoom @Nov8 14:44 #345

... ad-hominems won't help you with logic.

Ad hominems are employed when someone is trying to win an argument.

_K_C_ made the statement I quoted as an aside to RSH, not an attempt to win an argument.

You're the one that has been using ad-hominems while avoiding the logic that demonstrates your faulty reasoning.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 15:31 utc | 346

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 15:31 utc | 347

You are a little light JR. You should learn more from you mendacious mentor RSH.
See how he does it? See the slipperiness?
@325 he claims that I say: “when Russia and China fight on Iran's side.” where I say nothing of the sort. All bullshite.

Here is what I’ve been saying, if it matters for the record:

Iran does not need nukes.
Iran does not need nuke umbrella.
Iran has MAD capabilities. Same as China and Russia.
Iran does not need any other country to fight on it’s side.
Iran will go large on the first day of the war, and the empire will sue for peace, or nukes are used to end the war — even that won’t work.

It’s not about ‘the war with Iran’. It’s about how to stop ‘the war with Iran.’

Your mentor is still reeling from game that I laid out for him. The one that he refused to play, because he knows the ending.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 8 2020 18:43 utc | 347

Sakineh Bagoom @Nov8 18:43 @348

I agree with much of your point of view. Except that I don't see war with Iran as impossible.

There's already a sort of 4th-gen war being prosecuted against Iran (including proxy wars in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen). And there's a possibility that the simmering war with Iran turns into a full-blown, direct conflict via accident or deliberate 'false flag' action (probably by Israel).

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 8 2020 22:08 utc | 348

That did give me a chuckle, Grieved @ 305, much needed fun so yes, there's humor in the universe! I hope we can hang onto it, think we're gonna need it!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 9 2020 2:59 utc | 349

@93 mant

"Let us wish all the good luck we can for Donald Trump to prevail in the state courts and in the US Supreme Court, because we will otherwise most likely become a communist country."

Yes, Comrade, and you will be sent to a re-education camp along with Comrade Trump.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 9 2020 5:39 utc | 350

As a person of color I will miss Trump, he changed this country for the better and I mean that. LGBT, Hispanics and blacks have voted for him in very high numbers.
Before the COVID he had a decent economy and things seemed bright.
I don't understand people's blind hatred of him, I really don't.
It's the same way as with Gaddafi who was demonized by the media and the people just ate it up.
Viva Trump, I hope the Supreme Court grants him a victory so all you that hate him can self combust.

Posted by: Fernando Martinez | Nov 9 2020 6:13 utc | 351

@ 130 oldhippie, consider that your neighbors may also be afraid of you, and that fear is s what all of us are supposed to feel towards each other. Now if only there was a brand of beer that everybody drinks...

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 9 2020 11:04 utc | 352

@ 134, 200

Congrats, oglala! Jay: It's more than a matter of copying and pasting talking points. There are many many entire blogs and sites like this. And somebody out there is obviously funding them.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 9 2020 11:13 utc | 353

@166 Fusfield: Bravo for your response. You should follow oglalla's lead and search out every place on the Web where that piece of abysmally stupid proaganda was posted and answer it with what you posted here. Or else just say "Brilliant satire! Laughing my arse off!"

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 9 2020 13:51 utc | 354

@ 208 "I think Maggie's post @2 shows why it was a lose/lose situation either way. Trump was only part of the problem, his chunk of nutball, flatearth, climate change denying supporters who believe Biden and Company is communist, or even left-wing, instead of the "other" fascist right-wing party are as ignorant and dangerous as they come."

I mostly agree with you, but I think we need to realize that there are probably approximately just as many climate-change believers who also believe that Biden-Harris are basically benign and "For Us" and are just as ignorant of all the evil that has been done under Democratic administrations. When the first government is overthrown under the new administration they will automatically believe that its leader is a bloodthirsty dictator, and they will continue to at least tacitily support the extraction of, oh, more or less a trillion a year from them and their fellow citizens to "protect America and keep the world safe for democracy" - while at the same time not allowing their little boys to play with guns.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 10 2020 7:48 utc | 355

@ xeno 211 "The cause of this is a controlling elite made up of some super-rich people operating through the CIA, which itself operates through agencies like the FBI and people like George Soros..."

Soros, sure, but it's tendentious to mention only him. Most people here are surely more knowledgable than I am and could cite you a list of Foundations and NGOs and press outlets as long as your arm and stretching back to the very earliest days of the See-Eye-Ay - with, in those earliest days, some big ex-Nazi money to prime the pump. The heroin and coke may account for mere chump change.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Nov 10 2020 8:00 utc | 356

It will be total fascism in 2024. Tucker Carlson perhaps. Reap what you sow yee left wingers without principle.

Posted by: Dan | Nov 10 2020 15:09 utc | 357

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