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November 18, 2020
Open Thread 2020-91
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relief, or not, lol… thanks.. how about a non american thread for some momentary sanity?? Posted by: james | Nov 18 2020 18:14 utc | 1 How about a new article about Boeing 737 MAX now that the FAA in the US has lifted their grounding order. What will happen, will there be any passengers? Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 18 2020 18:15 utc | 2 Guys, guys, you don’t understand: we were the ones stealing technology from the Chinese! https://www.rt.com/news/507062-berlin-covid19-lockdown-rally/ Posted by: snake | Nov 18 2020 18:47 utc | 4 El Salvador Perspectives: November 16, 2020, marks the 31st anniversary of the massacre by Salvadoran troops of six Jesuit priests, a female co-worker and her daughter during El Salvador’s civil war. (…) The past year has been full of developments, positive and negative, for the search for justice for the atrocity. That search is now in its fourth decade. The positive development was the judgment of guilt and the sentence to 133 years in prison for former Salvadoran colonel Inocente Orlando Montano rendered by a court in Spain. The court took jurisdiction of the case under principles of universal jurisdiction for crimes against humanity and the Spanish citizenship of 5 of the six murdered priests. It represented the first full-fledged criminal trial under proper procedures where the world heard the testimony of actual witnesses to the events and to the subsequent government cover-up at the top levels of the Salvadoran military and civilian government. But Montano was the only defendant from the Salvadoran high command on trial in Spain. The rest of the high-ranking officers implicated as intellectual authors of the massacre have always been protected from extradition by the Salvadoran courts. In spite of this, the Jesuits in El Salvador and their lawyers have made calls following Montano’s conviction for a long-stalled criminal prosecution on Salvadoran soil to actually proceed. Posted by: Mararcatu | Nov 18 2020 18:50 utc | 5 @james #1
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 18 2020 18:52 utc | 6 For those that dont understand that Biden, not Trump, works with Wall street! Posted by: Zanon | Nov 18 2020 18:57 utc | 7 Interesting exchange between Senator Josh Hawley and Mark Zuckerberg Posted by: Down South | Nov 18 2020 19:07 utc | 8 For any Mac users, if you just upgraded to the latest version (Big Sur): Posted by: Deltaeus | Nov 18 2020 19:33 utc | 9 @8 Good job Senator Hawley. Unfortunately it’s like trying to catch eels with greasy hands. Posted by: dh | Nov 18 2020 19:46 utc | 10 Zanon@7 doesn’t realize that Fortune 500 execs finally deciding to cut Trump loose *after he lost the election* is just politics. The appalling thing is that they had to think about it, then prod each other into doing taking a cautious course that won’t hurt them. The truth of course is that if big business was really behind Biden because Trump was drying up the swamp, they would have pulled advertising from Fox New and the other Trumpist parts of the mainstream media long, long ago. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 18 2020 19:48 utc | 11 I am very curious about what is happening in Germany re the Covid. Any thoughts? Posted by: c | Nov 18 2020 19:48 utc | 12 Any intentions to cover the Biden administrations relationship with / attitude towards Israel? I’m surprised that the issue draws so little interest from the commentators here. This seems to be the foreign policy area where the new administration differs the most from the previous one. Posted by: m | Nov 18 2020 19:52 utc | 13 Posted by: Deltaeus | Nov 18 2020 19:33 utc | 9 Posted by: Paco | Nov 18 2020 19:52 utc | 14 The extradition trial for Huawei’s Meng Wanzhou tipped into farcical circumstance after the Border Services Superintendent in charge of the initial airport interview told the court he had developed “suspicion” that Huawei “could be involved in subverting the Canadian government and that Meng might be a security risk” after consulting Wikipedia. He also told the court that “determining whether Meng was admissible to Canada was the sole reason for his questions”, even though she was not in fact entering Canada at the time. Previously, the RCMP agent who conducted the interview, and who seized Meng’s electronic devices and passwords and then communicated with the FBI, refused to testify. Several months ago it was revealed that numerous European countries had been issued extradition orders for Meng and had refused to carry it out, unlike Canada. Meng’s detention and possible extradition has been a serious foreign policy mistake likely approved by Freeland. Posted by: jayc | Nov 18 2020 19:53 utc | 15 @ c1ue | Nov 18 2020 18:52 utc | 6… thanks! that is more interesting! i have a couple of friends who are paid to watch birds here on vancouver island.. it is a good gig.. it is mostly for environmental assessment work and the impact of logging, and etc on the local bird habitat… clearly the new zealand bird election process is for the birds! Posted by: james | Nov 18 2020 20:17 utc | 16 Posted by: jayc | Nov 18 2020 19:53 utc | 15 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 18 2020 20:20 utc | 17 Biden won’t be starting any new wars, he will be de-escalating the present US conflicts as fast as he possible can. Mostly through the back channels quietly and with out fuss. Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 18 2020 22:21 utc | 18 i think Biden will be surprised when the CIA seeking to replinish it access to drug money reinitiates war in Afghanistan but Trump is trying to get even with the CIA for subverting his election (the CIA owns the media via 6 front men) and getting even might hold true for Netanyohu. Posted by: snake | Nov 18 2020 23:02 utc | 19 BlackRock’s Larry Fink to Trump. YOU’RE FIRED! Sucker.. Posted by: Nick | Nov 18 2020 23:08 utc | 20 Jayc and James Posted by: arby | Nov 18 2020 23:57 utc | 21 @Deltaeus #9 Posted by: S | Nov 19 2020 0:23 utc | 22 Posted by: jayc | Nov 18 2020 19:53 utc | 15 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2020 2:28 utc | 23 Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 18 2020 22:21 utc | 18 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2020 2:36 utc | 24 arby @21 Posted by: Featherless | Nov 19 2020 2:50 utc | 25 About war planning capabilities of Joseph R. Biden Jr., I would quote him (thanks to Caitlin Johnstone who compile more than 40 quotes that we should print out or download, love him or hate him, knowing thoughts and sayings of our leader is important. You can search “Biden Johnstone stutter”). Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2020 3:17 utc | 26 All sorts of shenanigans are going on right now – some of them are enough to make you wonder how many of the DC covid cases are real and how many are down to pols not wanting to make a contentious decision. Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 19 2020 3:35 utc | 27 Posted by: jayc | Nov 18 2020 19:53 utc | 15 Posted by: Tom | Nov 19 2020 3:40 utc | 28 Privacy-conscious Mac users who use software firewalls to block unauthorized outbound connections should stay on macOS 10.15.x Catalina (the 2019 version of macOS) until Apple makes its own software go through the “Network Extensions” subsystem. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2020 3:46 utc | 29 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2020 3:17 utc | 26 Posted by: Tom | Nov 19 2020 3:53 utc | 30 With post-2006 Macs using the same Intel x86 processor architecture as competing Windows-based PCs, I hesitate to refer to these Apple logo-clad computers as Macs anymore. For most of the history of the Macintosh platform the common choice of CPU was not an Intel 80×86, but rather either the Motorola 680×0 (1984-’94, 10 years) or the PowerPC (1994-2006, 12 years). As much as I understand the reasons for changing, I can’t help but feel that Apple had capitulated to the exact same behemoth that it tried to fight against back in 1984. To some degree the switchover to ARM processors might probably grant Apple some autonomy, but the damage will have already been done. Posted by: Josep | Nov 19 2020 4:00 utc | 31 On November 11, 1975, the unapologetically left wing Australian Prime Minister Gough Whitlam was sacked. He was the victim of a coup organised by the British-American imperium. The conservative Liberal Party leader Malcolm Fraser was elected soon after, but ironically he later became persona non grata with his party (cancelled) after he wrote a book, “Dangerous Allies”, which-as the title suggests- casts doubt on the wisdom of Australia’s relations with the U.S. Posted by: Australian lady | Nov 19 2020 4:33 utc | 32 WHAT? a bit of clarity on FakeNews that COV-19 is natural occuring… Posted by: chu teh | Nov 19 2020 5:10 utc | 33 Australian lady @Nov19 4:33 #32 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2020 5:37 utc | 34 I have a link! (Celebrating as I don’t often have something to contribute – and yes, I know this won’t be what happens…) Posted by: juliania | Nov 19 2020 6:22 utc | 35 How much anyone want to bet no one spends a day in jail over this Australian special forces soldiers committed up to 39 murders:
IOW All of the ‘boss class’, I.E. commissioned officers are let off the hook despite the fact there was no excuse for this mindless slaughter which became common knowledge among all Oz troops throughout the years they were deployed to Afghanistan. Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 19 2020 6:51 utc | 36 Posted by: james | Nov 18 2020 20:17 utc | 16 (and #1) Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 19 2020 8:35 utc | 37 Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 18 2020 22:21 utc | 18 Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 19 2020 8:39 utc | 38 Piotr Berman @ 24 Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 9:05 utc | 39 kc remember what the fake resistance did to carter in order to get reagan in, if that is what you are referring to. the democrats were as eager to get rid of carter as the reagan campaign. carter was unsuitable you see, not starting any wars. Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2020 9:42 utc | 40 @arby | Nov 18 2020 23:57 utc | 21
I guess there are several possible explanations. One possibility is an “inverse anglicism” of the Danish/Norwegian ‘Friland’. Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 19 2020 9:59 utc | 41 @mark how can you possibly say that this career warmonger won’t start any new wars? you can’t, with any credibility. Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2020 10:11 utc | 42 Pretzelattack @ 42 Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 10:53 utc | 43 To add to my above ——- Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 11:01 utc | 44 As far as geopolitics goes Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 11:26 utc | 45 @32 Australian Lady – @34 Jackrabbit Posted by: Framarz | Nov 19 2020 11:52 utc | 46 mark i dont know if you live in america, but it has been badly divided for hundreds of years. and crime bill joe and lock em up kamala are as divisive as any. trump didn’t come out of nowhere, he arose because he was an alternative to the warmonger state that has bankrupted the american people. he’s an asshole who completely screwed up on the virus, and broke numerous campaign promises, but he is less of a warmonger than obama was or clinton would have been, and in all probability than biden will be. Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2020 12:07 utc | 47 Framarz @ 46 Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 12:20 utc | 48 Late Capitalism begging for mercy: The largest study ever for the efficacy of face masks has been released. Not published, released. This old Luddite cannot do html and it is a long link. Search Reuters Danish study face mask and it should come up. Reuters story November 18 @8:29 a.m. Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 19 2020 13:16 utc | 50 @ Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 19 2020 13:16 utc | 50 How China’s Legal System Enables Intellectual Property Theft Keep going VK Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 13:54 utc | 53 Vk @ 51 Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 19 2020 13:58 utc | 54 @ Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 13:54 utc | 53 @ Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 19 2020 13:58 utc | 54 pretzelattack@47 writes “trump didn’t come out of nowhere, he arose because he was an alternative to the warmonger state that has bankrupted the american people.” To criticize Democrats for military spending that bankrupted the country when it is Trump who has raised the military budget even more is typical insolence. Trumpery is an infallible sign of intellectual depravity. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 19 2020 14:27 utc | 57 @Josep #31 Posted by: c1ue | Nov 19 2020 14:50 utc | 59 @pretzelattack #47 Posted by: c1ue | Nov 19 2020 14:57 utc | 60 @steven t johnson #57 Posted by: c1ue | Nov 19 2020 14:59 utc | 61 Last I knew the Macs were/are BSD-based and not Linux-based. Apologies if they’ve changed again and I’m wrong, the last Mac I actually used was one of those small square ones in the 1990ies (those were cute, everything else of theirs is meh imo, not a fan). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 19 2020 15:12 utc | 62 “The Elements of the China Challenge (pdf)” The West seems determined to insult China in every way possible. In the PDF linked in your post in the first lines they “mistake” the name of the established political party as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) which is wrong and they know it. The name is the Communist Party of China (CPC). It’s pretty universal left/right nobody cares if they are insulted by it. Posted by: Babyl-on | Nov 19 2020 15:24 utc | 63 Very few times in my life I ve found, or I ve stumbled into an opinion of so high ridiculous a peak as that of Tyler Something in the Boombergs.. The better part of the American public have had their say, a cry for help, you could say. Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 19 2020 16:32 utc | 65 dear steven, tell me how many democrats voted to cut the bloated military budgets trump asked for? that would be zero i believe. democrats are whining about his stated desire to pull out of afghanistan. you’re throwing some kind of deficit hysteria at me just shows me that Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2020 17:14 utc | 66 @ _K_C_ | Nov 19 2020 8:35 utc | 37… i hear what you are saying in the first paragraph and i agree with that view.. i suppose i consider myself more leftist and i do think what you say is true.. i have no way of knowing for sure, but that sounds like my viewpoint you have expressed! Posted by: james | Nov 19 2020 17:19 utc | 67 It is not an accident that I can quote pretzelattack lying about how Trump is different from the Democrats on bankrupting the country with useless military spending, while neither the reliably dishonest c1ue nor pretzelattack can quote me saying that the Democrats are better. Even more amazing, pretzelattack at 66 writes “pretending that trump is some kind of anomaly on foreign policy…is intellectual depravity.” Yes, it is, but it was pretzelattack who was pretending Trump was the anomaly, and a superior anomaly to boot. But pretzelattack is inadvertently correct, claiming that is indeed intellectual depravity. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 19 2020 17:48 utc | 69 steven it is not an accident that you are lying in another post because you do so consistently. your reading comprehension is poor, too. being marginally better than obama is not the same as claiming trump is an anomaly, as you very well know, but choose to lie about nonetheless. you are indeed depraved, and you argue poorly to boot. i’m glad you accept that the democrats are every bit as depraved as trump, and even more warlike. it’s surprising given your other posts, but logic and consistency are not your strong suit, assuming you have any. have a depraved day you useless shill. Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2020 18:28 utc | 70 The complete Danish mask study is logged in at Annals of Internal Medicine. Fairly short and not overly technical. Look it up if interested. Again, the largest ever study of mask effectiveness and the answer is they do nothing. Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 19 2020 18:55 utc | 71 I thought the whole point of mask-wearing wasn’t to protect the wearer, but to prevent flying spittle droplets. Posted by: Featherless | Nov 19 2020 19:01 utc | 72 “Major Iraqi parliamentary bloc wants full withdrawal of US troops, not partial drawdown ” Posted by: arby | Nov 19 2020 19:01 utc | 73 @ vk #68 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 19 2020 19:05 utc | 74 @ oldhippie | Nov 19 2020 18:55 utc | 71 Posted by: Hmpf | Nov 19 2020 19:26 utc | 75 @71 oldhippie Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 19 2020 19:43 utc | 76 @75 Hmpf Posted by: Framarz | Nov 19 2020 19:58 utc | 77 @Sunny Runny Burger #62 Posted by: c1ue | Nov 19 2020 20:27 utc | 78 StormCloudsGathering has some solutions to the current collapse. Posted by: Doubter | Nov 19 2020 20:42 utc | 79 For any interested, Giuliani held a long press conference today re election/voting fraud. It’s long, I only watched the first half hour or so. Posted by: spudski | Nov 19 2020 20:52 utc | 80 Impressive Results from a new study of Covid patients/subjects (n=600) in Egypt treated using ivermectin. Posted by: gm | Nov 19 2020 20:54 utc | 81 The most interesting data connected with Covid 19 related mortality in Europe is the Swedish data, extractable from the Mortality Germany 2020 source, because Sweden is among those few countries that didn’t followed the Lock Down policy requested by global elite. According to this data, Sweden had a spike in mortality during the period of 25th March – 22 June 2020 (German statistical spike is reported from 23th March – 3th May 2020) and otherwise lower then average mortality during this year accounted for until 13th Nov.2020 compared to the numbers since 2015 (same as for Germany). If this is not the scientific proof that the Covid thingy was over by the end of June at least in Europe, then I don’t know … Posted by: Framarz | Nov 19 2020 20:58 utc | 82 # spudski 80 Posted by: Mercury | Nov 19 2020 21:07 utc | 83 I was correcting a mistake and now I get to correct many more if I want to but I will limit myself to the main one 😛 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 19 2020 21:20 utc | 84 John Helmer’s latest book: The Lie that Shot Down MH17 Posted by: John Gilberts | Nov 19 2020 21:24 utc | 85 Giuliani and Sidney Powell made some incredible allegations, “IF” they can prove half of these allegations it would be the greatest political scandal in US history. The question is can they prove it, that will be very, very difficult I hope this go to trial and works it way to the Supreme Court so we can get some answers on the record. Posted by: Kadath | Nov 19 2020 21:29 utc | 86 Mercury @83 and Kadath @86 Posted by: spudski | Nov 19 2020 21:44 utc | 87 Gm interesting preprint, the disclaimer on top of the page is there for a reason. No one should expect any general news media to report on any preprints ever. I hope it passes and also that it is replicated successfully many times over; it would be awesome news. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 19 2020 21:58 utc | 88 from Pepe: Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 19 2020 22:03 utc | 89 @Posted by: Kadath | Nov 19 2020 21:29 utc | 86 Posted by: gm | Nov 19 2020 22:06 utc | 90 By “it” in “a small part of it” I meant my anger and not the death which was from COVID and where COVID was not a small part but instead the final straw/blow. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 19 2020 22:07 utc | 91 @34 Jackrabbit Posted by: Nick | Nov 19 2020 22:26 utc | 92 Are those in Atlantic Council and European Council living in an alternative reality or did they simply forgot that USA is not a member of JCPOA anymore?
Do they really expect that Biden can walk in and have a seat with a US flag in front of it like nothing has happen. Posted by: Framarz | Nov 19 2020 22:26 utc | 93 #Kadath @86 & spudski 87 Posted by: Mercury | Nov 19 2020 22:31 utc | 94 Don Bacon @Nov19 22:03 #89 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 19 2020 22:57 utc | 95 This is getting interesting:
Looks like the GOP is not only preparing the terrain for a coup, but also to invade Venezuela right afterwards. My bingo card will get filled rapidly. Had Biden (or anyone else) advocated for Medicare For All, I would have voted for that person because the $2T to $2.5T of wasted extra annual medical spending in the US is far, far bigger than the entire Defense Department (plus black ops, Intel agencies, VA etc) spending. Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2020 23:04 utc | 97 type, indeed, overlooked auto correct. I searched “Acyclovir krem cena”, now I alertly undid the correction from krem to Kremlin (Kremlin is not Polish for cream). Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 19 2020 23:06 utc | 98 pretzelattack wrote, as I already quoted “trump didn’t come out of nowhere, he arose because he was an alternative to the warmonger state that has bankrupted the american people.” But @70 pretzelattack pretends this is equivalent to claiming “being marginally better than obama is not the same as claiming trump is an anomaly…” It’s not. If Trump really had been an alternative to Democratic Party bankruptcy from military spending, he would have been an anomaly. Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 19 2020 23:50 utc | 99 The USD 2,000.00 hydroxycloroquine meets its sad end: |
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