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November 12, 2020

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RE: Posted by: gm | Nov 14 2020 14:12 utc | 199

I wonder what message Lin Wood was sending to the election coup plotters with that key passage :

"and the record will show that they themselves *killed many people* in this country. "??

[If he had instead said 'killed many people in this country *and* throughout the world', I think I would be clearer on where he was going with that message]

Posted by: gm | Nov 14 2020 14:40 utc | 201

The Destruction of the Credibility of the PCR Test for Mass Screening (part 4 of 4)

Dr Claire Craig, Consultant Pathologist, was interviewed on talkRADIO on 12th Novemeber about how the mass testing (the rapid test) of Liverpool has proven the original coronavirus tests (PCR) "failed."

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Question: ”Liverpool has been the hot spot. Liverpool's been the place that has not been getting these infections under control, though, in fact the infection rate was going down before we went into (National) lockdown and before, indeed, Tier 3 (local lockdown restrictions) was brought in.

“In terms of those restrictions, but certainly before the national lockdown, this is the place that everyone's been most worried about and yet testing (the rapid test) of tens of thousands of people has shown that only 0.5% of the population has got the virus, and they are going to be double tested to check that they have indeed got the virus. So, are you saying to us that that tells us that we have not got this sort of exponential growth of the virus and has that got anything to do with the lockdown working?”

Dr CC: “Yes, I am saying that there doesn't appear to be very much Covid at all in the Liverpool community and I don't think it's because of the lockdown. I think it's because there has not been very much Covid at all, if any, since the summer, because we had an epidemic and it passed through the population and susceptible people died and then it was gone because that's what happens with viral spread.

“Subsequently, (the increase in Covid) has been a measuring mistake, it's all been terrible testing errors. And what we need to do now, because I know that there are people who strongly disagree with me on this, but we're scientists and what scientists do is they test their hypotheses. So all we have to do is use this test (the rapid test) in the hospitals. We use it on people who have been diagnosed with Covid and if the opposing view is right then a substantial number of those people will test positive. But, if they are all mistakes then the number is going to be a tiny percentage.

Question: ”People listening to this will say, ‘Well, hold on a minute, I can see the figures, we reached 50,000 deaths yesterday of Covid’ They will say, ‘I’m looking at this and an awful lot of top experts, top scientists, (all) very eminent (people) are saying we've got these rising cases and more and more people are dying.’ Are you saying these people are not dying of Covid?”

Answer: ”That is what I believe, yes, based on all of the data, and what I think is happening, and it's all done with the best of intentions. Medical diagnosis is an art - you work on the balance of probabilities - and I think patients are aware of that.

“You know, when we figure things out we get more data, we find out doing more tests and we try and figure out what's going on. And so a wrong test result can throw that awry.

“And if you have a situation where you're in hospital and somebody's comes in and they're in respiratory failure and this happens - we have patients all year round who have respiratory failure - and if they're tested for Covid and it comes back negative, the staff caring for this patient will understandably be concerned that the test wasn't right and they'll repeat the test.

“And, so, the situation you end up in, is that you repeat test for the patients who are dying of respiratory failure and then you have an increasing mortality. And what we've got with our Covid death rate is that it's totally out of proportion to all of the other data. It's been taking off on its own, well ahead of the ICU admissions, well ahead of the hospital admissions? It makes no sense unless it's a factor that's being caused by the way we are testing.”

Pathologist: 'Mass testing in Liverpool shows testing we have had has failed' (talkRADIO)

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 14 2020 14:45 utc | 202

Bemildred laments that everyone ignores the Tenth Amendment, which is not even factually correct so far as I know. But supposing it is, the Fourteenth Amendment, which really is falsified and ignored as much as possible, long ago altered the meaning of the Tenth Amendment. Denying this, means denying that the original Constitution was meant to be amendable at all. It even implies all interpretations were meant to be fixed by the text. But neither originalism nor textualism are honest approaches to Constitutional interpretation. They are ideological corruptions, meant to foster particular reactionary misreadings.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 14 2020 14:48 utc | 203

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 14 2020 14:48 utc | 203

Thanks for clearing all that up. I stopped trying to process USA-ian political speech as having a coherent meaning long ago. We argue about the "meaning of the Constitution" in the same way as the Medieval clerics argued about the capabilities of angels, and it means just as little. It is obvious, as Bush the Lesser made clear, that the government does not respect its own founding documents at all, and only tolerates them since without them we unwashed masses would not accept that they have any right to rule.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2020 15:12 utc | 204

My "landslide" prediction is looking better! (God help us.)

Does it matter if it is really a landslide or just claimed to be?

Sidney Powell: "President Trump won this election by a landslide".

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Note: financial matters links to the full Sidney Powell interview @Nov14 13:44 #196. Down South's link is to Biden-friendly commentary with a short clip of the Sideny Powell interview.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 14 2020 15:18 utc | 205

Wow, Trump seems to be starting a war every minute, so that, possibly lift the world on fire, this seems to be the ral meaning of that menace "fire and fury"....Now that he has reshaped wholy the Pentagon, I guess nobody here could argue this is the "deep state"...again...

Since, I guess, everybody here agrees no war in the wordl is started by local forces, but by some superpower agsint other´s interests or advances, some wars starting these days....

After starting a war in Ethopia, a country rich not only in water, but maninly in GOLD, a refuge value, growing exponentially in price, in the current sceneraio of accute global instability, especially at the dollar land, the US, where a probable false flag consisting on a killing of thousands civilians by allegedly Tigray people dressed on Eritrean military fatigues is currently being investigated by UNHR, autorship denied by TPLF ( Tigray People´s Liberation Front ). Recall here that the current head of governemtn in Ethiopia, a former fellow studento of Ohio University, is not the president elect of Ethiopia, but the "encargado" of Oromo ethnicty, who came to power after the former government where the TPLF held quite influence was overthrown....This "president encargado" happens to have good friendship with Eritrean dictator in charge, which have pledged support in smashing the rebelious Tigray people....

Recall also here that Russia just inaugurated a military base in South Sudan...bordering Eritrea...

But, yet, to not take breath in this trepidant transition of power in the US, another US ally, this time Marocco has just started another war agsint the Saharaui people, on the grounds of invading more territory beyond the point agreed at last ceasefire, "to be able to built a so much needed road"...No army in Marocco would move without US blessing, as Marocco is a US protectorate..One wonders where Marocco will stop...This conflict will involve Spain one way or theother, Spanish outposts and colonial remains in North Africa, cities of Ceuta and Melilla, always ambitioned by Marocco to be anexionated....

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1327599647326613504

Who are postioning in favour of whom in the new war between Marocco and Polisario Front...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1327614946646036481

To the effects, "whole sunni coalition of the willing against Yemen"... in favor of Marocco...Will we witness a new shipement of "moderate rebels" this time in the borders of Spain? Will we witness also the Turkish military taking over the command of those forces this time bordering the EU ?

It seems that propaganda video by Erdogan chief communications guy of a new Ottoman Empire reaching the whole North Africa, on the grounds "people are asking for", was not so about a dream or exageration after all?
Would Germany, who hosts a good chunk of Turkish citizens on its soil, amongst them the "co-inventors" from BioNTech, along Pfizer, of the Covid-19 vaccine they are going to put us, of oppose in this endeavor his second in importance commercial partner after China?

Recall that a series of jihadi attacks are going behind any French official appearing in public out there...past day while French representatives were celebrating the armistice day of WWI in Yeddah...Magnicide in view?

IMNSHO, it is not that the jihadi scourge comes to catch Europe because of its policy on immigration, but these terrorist forces are being turned agaisnt Europe by far-right international operatives..,amongst whom the Erdogan regime is included...which, for most INRI, is also sunni and quite beligerant...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 15:22 utc | 206

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 15:22 utc | 206

I noticed Polisario Front has awakened from its long sleep. And it seems Morocco is considering normalizing relations with Israel. So I was wondering if those two things might be connected.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2020 15:51 utc | 207

These are the kind of stuff by Erdogan´s spin doctor uses to Twitt, which show how he is clearly obsessed with former greatness of Ottoman Empire...golas that well mat conflude with other people´s..at certain point in time...I fear...

https://twitter.com/fahrettinaltun/status/1310685743245856769

https://twitter.com/fahrettinaltun/status/1300072492116201472

https://twitter.com/fahrettinaltun/status/1297971223591358465

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 15:53 utc | 208

US top diplomat arrives in France on difficult 7-nation tour

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2020 15:55 utc | 209

What are we to make of the silence from Mexican president, López Obrador, on the election in the USA?

Here's one perspective from the head of the Canadian Council for the Americas (brace yourself): (the link is very long. On BNNbloomberg.ca, Video section, "What Biden's presidency would mean from Latin American leaders")

And from the man himself, addressing the UN General Assembly on Sept. 22, 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSPnANg4xm0


Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 14 2020 15:55 utc | 210

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 14 2020 15:55 utc | 210

AMLO: I thought it was quite prudent of him to avoid the issue until we have resolved it among ourselves or become too preoccupied with civil insurrection to indulge The Donald's penchant for revenge. Same for the Russians for that matter, though I see the Chinese have acknowledged Biden. But Trump is not going to like them anyway so why bother with being tactful?

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2020 16:09 utc | 211

@ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 14 2020 15:18 utc | 205

Wow. That's a very hard-hitting indictment by Sidney Powell

Lou Dobbs (who plays a Trump-supporter on Fox Biz TV) winces visibly/pauses several times during Sidney's clear, scathing statements. Not sure if its because producers are screaming in his earpiece to stop her awesome riffing and break away to a commercial[?].

Dobbs asks: 'States are set to certifying election results soon. Arent you worried about running out of time' (paraphrasing)?' Powell: Well for fraud this serious, any state is stupid enough to go ahead and certify, their decisions will be set aside until legal case is decided [paraphrasing; Dobbs wincing/pausing].

She also lays into Wray/FBI/DHS inaction hard:

"For years even democratic senators and congress people have reported problems With this [Dominion] system to the FBI and govmt, and nobody's done blooming thing about it. The people in the election security division of DHS need to be fired yesterday... of course Chris Wray needs to be fired too because the only thing the fbi has done is to intimidate [election fraud] witnesses who have come forward (praphrasing)"

Posted by: gm | Nov 14 2020 16:28 utc | 212

@ Debsisdead | Nov 14 2020 9:08 utc | 182...

thanks debs! that is a cool link on bill sevesi who i am also unfamiliar with by name.. i know the song sleep walk well.. that is a perfect song for the steel guitar! i know 3 lap or pedal steel players here on vancouver island but they weren't always here.. 2 of them came from alberta where country music is and was more popular.. nathan tinkham played with ian and slyvia tyson for many years... i have done some gigs with him over the years... then i played with a fellow here in nanaimo and another guy from alberta who lives up island as well.. i know some younger guitar players who have taken up the lap/pedal steel as well.. the instrument is coming back in vogue it seems...

yes, you would have been a rare bird if you had played that instead of the drums! i play drums too! that is much more mainstream! here is a well known canuck playing it in a more modern way.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o9Zah4N540

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2020 17:16 utc | 213

Nothing like pressing the wrong key....accidentally, mind thee.

BeMildred @189 & 200 – True indeed.
I too (Mr HSchmatz) have been very concerned about what this whole hokum regarding “Israelis killing the second in command in Tehran” is a prologue to….

This confabulation, of course, depends upon the western (Usian/Ukian etc) pops falling for the very notion that Iran would harbor Al Qaeda folks. Because, bien sûr, there is a complete lack of understanding about the differences between Sunni and Shia Islam (they’re all the same idiocy).

Never mind the fact that Iran hasn’t invaded anywhere, any country for at least 200 years – but hey, who cares about historical, cultural, ideological reality when guess who wants things to change???? Land to be gained and bugger the inhabitants of millennia standing…
How do Israelis infiltrate Iran? The border is that bloody porous? If so, why not in the opposite direction (please…)?

Posted by: Anne | Nov 14 2020 17:18 utc | 214

The Kraken Wakes....There was also - at the same I read this book (sci fi phase) a play/series on the Beeb TV (early -mid 60s) about a family? a plant (as in leafy, growing, engulfing) that (very scarily) grew inside and overwhelmed (rightly?) the humans inside...So long ago...But what really changes?

Posted by: Anne | Nov 14 2020 17:26 utc | 215

@ anne - sounds like day of the triffids... i read that a long time ago..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_of_the_Triffids

Posted by: james | Nov 14 2020 17:34 utc | 216

hi james@216 - Yep - I recall reading (?) Day of the Triffids, too. Also by John Wyndham - read it as well, c. 1964-7. Great reads, as I recall. (Forgotten entirely what it was about, mind thee...) Good ole penguin books...

OH! yes - - sometimes that arsehole site, if it's politically irrelevant...you know the Wiki-Diki, helps. YES - so that BBC TV play was - the Day of the Triffids!!! Huh...so long ago and mucho agua having flowed since then... My many thanks for reminding me of the origin of that play (it was very - ummm - edgy).

Posted by: Anne | Nov 14 2020 18:11 utc | 217

@Posted by: Anne | Nov 14 2020 17:18 utc | 214

Ehh, well, the claim by the Israelis ( one would wonder why they come with this claim now if they allegedly killed the guy on summer...)has been widely debunked by Iran.

Only this is being used to prepare people for war, if it did not get clear in my comments at this respect.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 18:49 utc | 218

Mr Schmatz @218 - Oh yes, that was my immediate reaction - this is a deliberate and very dangerous provocation by the usual suspects.

If - in any way (nuke bomb/attack on one of Iran's nuclear facilities) radiation evolves...do the stealers of Palestine really believe that they will be immune???? Chernobyl folkies in what is really Palestine... For sure Germany (my late husband and I lived there in the early 2000s) was afflicted by the drift, airborne, of course. Thyroid problems escalated and seriously so, for sure. But I guess if you claim belonging (however tangential) to a particular group, maybe you'll be okay.

Posted by: Anne | Nov 14 2020 18:58 utc | 219

Armenians doing the Armenian thing, to mourn and pray, peacefully, for the thousands fallen..Nobody mourns like Armenians...

Love this warmhearted people, of the few remaining in the world, unless may be in Yemen, Africa...

Even in videos of the last days protests, there was not violence at all, amongst demonstrators and law enforcement forces, just the fair indignation...

https://twitter.com/Olesya_vArt/status/1327635145084563457

I hope things normalize there soon and the country can open soon for tourism. If you are looking for peaceful retrait of a couple of weeks, you will find it in those vast mountainous lands.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 19:21 utc | 220

Quasi Retired anonym @210: "What are we to make of the silence from Mexican president, López Obrador, on the election in the USA?"

Revisit Mexico's elections in 2012. AMLO was ahead by millions of votes all day long. The polls close and then Nieto's vote counts started to skyrocket. Meanwhile AMLO's vote counts started going down. It wasn't the percentage of votes for AMLO that decreased but the absolute numbers that dropped by hundreds of thousands at a time. Of additional interest is that this weird behavior was, for the most part, only happening in voting districts that had deployed brand new paperless electronic voting machines recently purchased by the PRI from the United States.

Of course, there were mass protests across Mexico, but being that the voting machines were paperless there was no evidence to be found that the digital records of the votes had been altered. Bits can be flipped in the digital realm without any evidence that the flip had occurred. Andrés Manuel López Obrador, and all of Mexico really, knew that the election had been stolen, but there was no evidence that could be presented in a court of law.

This is why AMLO is silent. He knows full well what happened in America because it happened to him in 2012.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2020 19:35 utc | 221

Well, well, the new war between Morocco and Sahara Occidental may could have a before and an after, when witnessing who is supporting whom...

I published previously an estimated by the site @descifraguerra which happened to be wrong, they have corrected it now and seems that Palestinian Authority came in support of Morocco!
This will lead to a huge lose of support coming from Spanish progressive forces always in the side of Palestinian people in theri suffering, whom will continue enjoying their support as the people has no blame, not probably the Palestinian Authorities, the sunni came in in full against this suffered African people, only Argelia and African Union call for peaceful settlement...I bet Gaddafi, as part of people of the desert, would had not let the Saharauis being crushed.

Seeing the attitude of Palestinian Authority makes one wonder whether this new conflict have been started also on behalf of Israel, to accelerate some advnace on the "Deal of the Century" in a rush as Trump leaves office...Imran Khan have also confessed overwhelming presure to recognize Israel...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1327657035949887488

Spain recognize its responsability and calls fro restraint and respect for MINURSO mission to settle thing there...I hope Spain is not going to allow the Saharauis being crushed, after have passed last 40 years in the middle of the desert in a stalemate...

How many people needs to die for the recognition of Israel, why is that so important?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 20:14 utc | 222

ADKC @ 202

Your post and the link deserves more attention.

The interviewee on the radio show is a pathologist. Pathologists speak precisely and are very rarely wrong. They are very restrained people who perform a technical task. The pathologist would not be doing this interview and making these claims if much doubt remained.

Everyone please read ADKC and listen to the interview.

On a related note the wife’s son has tested positive for third time in four months. It’s employer testing done monthly. Of course he has not been sick yet. The tests are becoming a joke in his office.

There is a vast surge is “cases” in Chicago and in Illinois. The cases we can simply throw out the window, there is also a sharp increase in hospitalizations and in deaths. How real all that is becomes open to question. I have tried to be more rhetorically restrained than the pathologist above, am getting to point the death toll seems implausible if not impossible. Latest available stats for month of October say average age of covid deceased, locally, is above 81. Well, lifespan in this banana republic is only 78. Of the old people dying the majority are still in longterm care facilities. Guess what, nursing home residents usually die in a nursing home. When the average age of covid death is above the average age of all deaths where is the emergency?

The politicians must all freak out over the surge. We have renewed stay at home orders. More of same expecting different results. The new stay at home is almost same as old lockdown. What has changed is they are doubling down on the rhetoric. Instead of admitting they are clueless, have failed, do not know what to do next they are blaming the citizens. It is our fault. We are not compliant enough. We need to obey, they do not need to think. Politicians never make mistakes. Politicians sure as hell never take responsibility.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 14 2020 20:14 utc | 223

In case someone is interested, although I fear this does not get sleep out in the US...but, anyway, if you are bored, or have no idea this people existed...

Interview with professor of the University of the Basque Country, Juan Soroeta, where he talks about the conflict in Western Sahara from the perspective of international law as well as human rights.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1327636233514840065

Basque people have a lot of "adopted" children from Saharaui camps in Tinduf, as through humanitarian initiatives they kept bringing in Saharaui children to spend summer in the Basque Country for all these decades, that way those children ended having two mothers/fathers, as they call them all...These people will tend to take it personal...no doubt...

Some images on how life goes in the desert....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTH66OfiLB4

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 20:33 utc | 224


oldhippie | Nov 14 2020 20:14 utc | 223 (and generally)

ok, call it implied coincidence theory if you like, but the real virus is wearing a cloak of bullchit, as you seem to think, and as I am pretty sure.

So, is there a plan? I think maybe so.

use tinyurl (I am puter-niave)
note code I am using> this is not going to be transmitted: "tinyurl[dot]com"
just put the code elements together.

(the sorta AI censors don't yet seem to twig to this)


1) /y67j3nwu

2) /y3kau67c

3) /y3eshrp6

see also Corbett on the old Rockefeller gang - it fits with the reality that these people are a breed of sociopaths and grifters....

Posted by: Walter | Nov 14 2020 20:44 utc | 225

Bemildred #211, William Gruff #221

I feel impelled to reply even though I'd rather not get into this directly, but here goes. It is important to watch AMLO's speech to the UN General Assembly (link in my comment) right to the very end, all 18 or so minutes. Your country is now the property of Her Majesty The Queen, courtesy of USMCA or CUSMA or the new NAFTA. AMLO can negotiate with Her Majesty if he needs something very urgently, that is, until a Privy Council is set up for the United States. Trudeau could serve as a local contact, I suppose, or Dominic LeBlanc who is President of the Queen's Privy Council of Canada. So, see, your president will in fact be...

To quote Canadian chanteuse, Céline Dion, "and that's the way it is".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6wbugWrfLU&list=RDorXXHldQdLo&index=16

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 14 2020 20:58 utc | 226

About to start in streaming by Twitch analysis the Nagorno Karabakh conflict, in Spanish..

https://www.twitch.tv/descifrandolaguerra

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 21:00 utc | 227

Wally, sorry to hear hat of your relatives in Theresienstadt.

Sadly the same tendencies are being given a new life in Europe and the world.

Be well, mate!

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 21:04 utc | 228

oldhippie @223

I posted 4 parts about the early results of the mass testing in Liverpool but the first 3 parts have disappeared.

The importance of what has happened in Liverpool is not yet been recognised and is being suppressed by the MSM, but the implications will be too big to keep hidden.

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There is another shocking truth that is also emerging and that is "Lockdown Induced Deaths" - this is not caused by any Covid infection but is caused by the impacts of lockdowns.

In the UK there have been some 800 to 1000 excess deaths per week in the home since May. These excess deaths were not apparent over the summer because the fall in excess deaths in hospitals where in the range of of -500 to -1000 for the period Jun to Jul and this had the effect of disguising excess deaths in the home. Now that excess deaths in Hospitals and Care Homes are in line with normal rates, the excess deaths in the home are being revealed. (I hope to write a more detailed post about this shortly).

This is the second unnecessary "death" scandal that has hit the UK (the first death scandal occured in Care Homes for the period Mar to Jun).

Posted by: ADKC | Nov 15 2020 5:12 utc | 229

Very good broad-ranging interview of Whitney Webb (starts at ~min 49; runs for ~56 min) and she covers a ton of current topics ( election, election fraud, great reset, dark winter, covid, rushed warp speed vaccine program run by same (bioport/bioemergent solutions) actors associated with Bush 43 anthrax scare/amerithrax fbi investigation/coverup of ~2 decades ago, Q psyop, and more).

Very worrisome, but very believable and relevant to what is going on now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE031deuThc

Posted by: gm | Nov 15 2020 8:09 utc | 230

The attacks on Trump supporters this night in the US by antifa/blm is so disgusting. When will this madness stop?

This is what fascism looks like:

Video BREAKING - Multiple Trump supporters assaulted by pro-BLM supporters in Washington D.C. One of the supporters assaulted was brutally knocked out.
https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1327728625723060224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video BLM-antifa attacked an elderly couple leaving the DC Trump rally
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327748853475418112
Video DC Police blocked off BLM again so Trump supporters couldn't get through and were made to go through BLM group which then attacked them.
https://twitter.com/VenturaReport/status/1327757356709634050?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video A older Trump supporter on a bicycle was knocked down and had liquid dumped on him by BLM-antifa rioters in DC.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327768124465184768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video DC: BLM and Antifa threaten and intimidate an elderly Trump Supporter out of BLM Plaza
Unknown liquids can be seen being thrown on the elderly man, also attempts to hit him with an American flag
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1327745817269080064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video Antifa and BLM hit, throw eggs and unknown liquids at Trump Supporters walking through BLM Plaza
You can hear see and hear the female Trump Supporter cry in fear
https://twitter.com/livesmattershow/status/1327740865545203717?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video A family with children are in tears as they are followed and harassed by antifa.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327737656369840128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video Antifa black bloc in DC beat a man on the head using a stolen flag as a stick. They’re still roaming the streets tonight in packs looking for Trump supporters.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327773169998995458?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video BLM protester repeatedly calls a woman wearing a Trump hat a bitch
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327755939231924224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 15 2020 8:14 utc | 231

Hi zanon. I think the saying is ——-
What goes around comes around.
I hope you’l agree the whole violence toward black people, has back fired on trump and his supporters!
I hope this turn around teaches those trump supporters empathy.
The election result is a win for the peace loving majority of America.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 15 2020 10:08 utc | 232

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2020 12:28 utc | 186 -- "....we just need to find someone competent and well-intentioned like Putin or Xi to run things here instead of the biggest assholes on the planet like we have now. We need lots of people like that, and a lot fewer, like NONE, of the greedy Davos crowd and their dependents. No more assholes with power, it's like magic."

We are in 100% agreement that there WILL BE recovery. Perhaps you missed the line where I said not in the next FIFTY years.

Reason is that I do not see how in the next 50 years that the US is likely to find that competent, well-intentioned 'someone' you hope for. And those hundreds of people like that. Plus I do not see how you get rid of the liars and bastards like schumer, pelosi, schiffty shit, et al during that period, unless of course, they up and die like that McCain bastard, and you also cut budding toxic weed like AOC as fast as they spring up.

That is why I am unconditionally pessimistic on the US next 50 years, but optimistic thereafter if certain conditions prevail.

I would advise young people today to learn Mandarin, and go East.


Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 15 2020 11:15 utc | 233

Wally @ 200 -- "I too (moderately anyway) suspect Trumpie to make attack on Iran."

Appreciate reading your words again. Cryptic as usual, but loaded with meaning from one who so apparently has been round the block many times.

If I were Iran, I will assume that any US attack will include a ganging up by all US allies in the Middle East, plus the usual European useful idiots. Whether or not that is true, my war plans will include putting missiles on Saudi Arabia, Israel, and surrounding oil fields. My objective will be to collapse the trillions of USDs founded on oil derivatives, and through that, the West's financial & banking system, leaving ally Russia free to sell oil after the fracas subsides.

I wonder which nation will better endure the ensuing pain? a nation adapted to living under sanctions last 40 years? or an Evil Empire (the great satan) running on fumes? an Europe suddenly cut off from Mid-East oil? or a Russia suddenly freed from OPEC+ 'obligations'? and is that why China has been stockpiling oil, making friendly with Iran, and so on.

Interesting times.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 15 2020 11:41 utc | 234

Mark2

Watching black children assaulted by white adults in the nations capital is what you stand for.

How do you live with yourself? How are thugs recruited for these projects?

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 15 2020 13:01 utc | 235

ADKC @ 229

I have medical friends telling me pretty much the same. They are afraid to talk. Would like to give details but not going to compromise their identities.

Have now personally lost two to suicide. The performing arts and the people who live that life are in deep trouble.

This against knowing three who have had a bad case of covid, all of them in bad health to begin with, one of them quite old and frail who otherwise has less than a year to live. All recovered, have none of the “long hauler” BS.

Walter @ 225

First link went to a 404. Got the other two.

The Rockefeller Foundation document about scenarios for the future represents a lot of hours of highly paid staff work and would have been reported to a reasonably high level. Plain the only scenario they are interested in is the authoritarian future.

If that had been written as science fiction it would be tripe. Were it in the form of a graphic novel (aka comic books) it would be hard to find an artist to draw panels in support of the plot. In either case nonpublishable. Just junk. And they spent a lot of money on that, some idiot who asked for that filled his head with it.

They have nothing. They have no ideas. They have no talent. They have no imagination. They have all the power.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 15 2020 13:23 utc | 236

People are recruited by trump brutality together with his thugs in uniform or not , old fake hippie @ 235
You lost get over your selve.
You want peace ? Go home !

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 15 2020 13:28 utc | 237

: kiwiklown | Nov 15 2020 11:41 utc | 234
(Iran) Thanks.

Marandi (see his twitter) is, I assume, inter alia, an officer in a branch of Iranian reserves. I assume G2, intel stuff, as his ideas are obviously ardent - you know, US treated him like chit and did the same to his country - circumstance and character. Anyway I assume his opinions express what Iran wishes to say unofficially, it's generally congruent too with Iranian leader k...

Marandi makes it clear. Reparations, trials of the murderers. That's to say that the goal is to humiliate the US.

So, I ask, how. Seems like your idea that they'll hitback hard:

"If I were Iran, I will assume that any US attack will include a ganging up by all US allies in the Middle East, plus the usual European useful idiots. Whether or not that is true, my war plans will include putting missiles on Saudi Arabia, Israel, and surrounding oil fields. My objective will be to collapse the trillions of USDs founded on oil derivatives, and through that, the West's financial & banking system, leaving ally Russia free to sell oil after the fracas subsides"

Is how.

I agree. And I am sure they can do it.

Of course, then, That Good Lady (Well, Willie Brown says she's good) will with a senile criminal creepo will be pressured to nuke Iran.

Somehow I sense that Comrade P may have something to say about that.

Crises looms, I expect.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 15 2020 13:52 utc | 238

oldhippie | Nov 15 2020 13:23 utc | 236 Thanks

Orangeman makiewar?

"Is Trump plotting a war against Iran?
Bill Van Auken" @ WSWS dot org

I agree with your ideas about what Iran will do. Marandi (see twitter) seems to be an unofficial official - I assume he's active reserve brevetted to his university post.

He's defined Iranian strategy and war goals.

reparations, us leaves region, hang the murderers who ordered murders, and so forth. In one word "humiliate".

For empire that's kinda critical.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 15 2020 14:32 utc | 239

This is an excellent analysis of the Trump situation.
It is to be found at the Steel City Scribblings blog.
http://steelcityscribblings.uk/wp/2020/11/15/why-did-trump-get-so-many-votes/
I'm not sure how accessible that link is so here is the intro:
The central question of US politics is why Trump won the second largest number of votes in US history, and the answer is that he delivered a lot to his constituency.

In 2016 real median household income in the US was $62,898, just $257 above the level in 1999. That’s two decades of income stagnation, in fact for a large part of the last two decades median income had actually been falling. Under Trump by 2019 the median income grew to $68,703. Last month 56% of US polled voters said their families were better off today than they were four years ago.

For the first three years of his presidency, Trump produced steady growth (which a number of presidents have managed) in which a disproportionate share of the gains went to low-income workers (a much rarer feat). Workers in the lowest quarter of incomes saw their wages rise almost 5 per cent. This was the first sustained downward redistribution of income and wealth since the last century, a vindication for voters in the forgotten parts of the country who voted for Mr Trump in 2016. It may account for the unexpected and marked rise in support for Trump from young Latinos and black men.

Trump also delivered on other promises, or least could make a plausible claim to have delivered. He brought troops home and avoided foreign wars, and it’s mostly the poorer communities who suffer the casualties in such wars. He also very publicly challenged China, even if that challenge was clumsy. The Democrats barely mentioned China, rightly seen by many in the old collapsing industrial communities as one of the main sources of their local economic decline, and in fact have been talking with great enthusiasm for the last few decades about increasing free trade.1

Mike Davis in a very interesting article in the London Review of Books entitled “Rio Grande Valley Republicans”, examines how Trump won, and the Democrats lost, the communities of poor Mexicans living along the border in Texas. Davis writes:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n22/mike-davis/short-cuts

Posted by: bevin | Nov 15 2020 14:50 utc | 240

bevin #240

This is an excellent analysis of the Trump situation.
It is to be found at the Steel City Scribblings blog.

Many thanks bevin. THAT is a good treasure.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 15 2020 20:25 utc | 241

Walter @ 238 -- Thanks for another cryptic piece.

If I were that Marandi chappie, I will not make threats like those unless I have shown The Great Satan at least the hilt of my sword. Credibility is vital when you want to make threats that the enemy dares not test.

If the US reaches for the nuke button, Iran's dead man's hand will cause the desert to erupt with a thousand missiles.

Yes, pain will be all around, but when the (nuclear) dust settles, Iran is no more; Saudi Arabs reverts to the Stone Age; the Palestinians finally get good weapons in their hands (I heard that humiliated Middle Easteners are something fearsome); Israel is pushed into the sea (the ganging up can go in the other direction too); the Evil Empire crumbles after a bitch slap for the history books (otherwise known as the Mother Of All Headaches); Turkey is running around like a headless turkey trying to screw both sides, but held back on a leash by Mr Putininski; and so on.

Change we can believe in. No?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 17 2020 9:31 utc | 242

An interesting - in the less than attractive sense of the word - article on Sput by Finian Cunningham about the latest troubles in Ethiopia...

He posits (and I consider his view all too likely) that the struggle between the TPLF and the present govt of Abiye has connections to the USA/EU growing "concern" about a) Russia's agreement with Sudan allowing Russia to build a naval base there, near/on the Red Sea; b) China's growing influence throughout Africa...Abiye appears to be pro-western...

The old colonial-imperial powers and the present day USian one cannot have any of this. Only the west (you know, that highly civilized, moral beacon - ho bloody ho) can have any, any say, influence, presence in Africa...

That Ethiopians are once again being drawn into an internecine slaughter (after so much famine, death) possibly, likely to ensure that the BRI is cut off at a significant node and Russia-China are kept out of Africa is horrendous. Obscene. Barbaric.

Posted by: Anne | Nov 17 2020 14:16 utc | 243

Minerva's Owl is always late to the party, but its arrival is inevitable:

Europe shouldn’t create ‘illusion’ that it can protect itself without US – German defense chief

I love when I'm proven to be correct.

Posted by: vk | Nov 17 2020 14:35 utc | 244

@39 Circe, "40 Hmpf,

"It's all to be found in the verdict against one Radovan Karadzic."

Andy Wilcoxon does the digging for us in the ICTY judgement, where the trial chamber that convicted former Bosnian-Serb president Radovan Karadzic of war crimes and sentenced him to 40 years in prison (there are also issues beyond the scope of this article), unanimously concluded that the Serbian President, Slobodan Milosevic was not part of a “joint criminal enterprise” to victimize Muslims and Croats during the Bosnian war...

-- how many of you know about it?
Spoiler - read page 1303 of the 2'590 page verdict -- ICTY,
Karadzic Judgment, 24 March 2016, Para. 3460 )
.

The trial that started a great media circus was supposed to fall off media radar screens...

Slobodan Milosevic had to spend the last five years of his life in prison
defending himself and Serbia from bogus war crimes allegations over a war
that the ICTY now admits he was trying to stop. The admission comes out ten
years after his death. This arranges a few persons with rules of prescription. The presiding judge in the Radovan Karadzic trial, O-Gon Kwon of South Korea, was also one of the judges in the Slobodan Milosevic trial. The ICTY did not bother to hold a press conference or make a public statement with regards to Milosovic who they had abused. It is now up to the family to sue for reparations.

Will Carla del Ponte and Louis Arbour (Louis Arbour, who was asked to
investigate all Nato leaders for war crimes, instead accepted a lifetime
appointment to the Supreme Court of Canada from one of them, Prime
Minister of Canada, Jean Chretien), who were part of the witch-hunt be held to account?

Milosovic died in custody after multiple refusals for proper rest, medical care and surgery while in custody. His defense attorney wrote to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs that he thought he was being poisoned by Rifamicin that counteracted the high blood pressure medication he was taking. It increased his risk of the heart attack that ultimately did kill him. The medication was inexplicably found in his blood samples.
The Tribunal’s admitted that they knew about the Rifampicin drug for months, but didn’t tell Milosevic the results of his own blood test until just days before his death.

U.S. State Department cables disclosed to Wikileaks confirm that UN detention unit commander McFadden in violation of his role and prison rules, discussed Milosevic’s medical condition and his medical records with U.S. Embassy personnel in The Hague without his consent.

The murder of a national leader is an attack on a nation's right to exist which is a war crime. This makes the need for an independent public inquiry to investigate the suspect death of Mr. Milosevic even more pressing today (the Dutch police inquiry, from a NATO state is worthless).

Christopher Black and Alexander Mezyaev state there was no attempt to resuscitate Mr. Milosevic,
which amounts to manslaughter by gross negligence.

What amount should be paid to Serbia by the western governments who
sought to punish Serbia in order to hold Milosevic “accountable” for crimes
that their own Tribunal now admits he wasn’t responsible for, and was in fact trying to stop?

NATO now needs to explain the real reasons for the aggression against
Yugoslavia.

A good starting point is to watch French Air Force retired Brigadier-General Pierre-Marie Gallois, in his own words, admit to the planning, motivation of his co-conspirators for launching the destruction of Yugoslavia. Gallois admits that he was involved in the planning of the crime against peace and implicates others, including the late German Defense Minister Franz Josef Strauss as well as British and French officials. None of them have ever been charged with crimes against peace and the war crimes which were committed during the war.

Posted by: Geneva Observer | Nov 22 2020 0:29 utc | 245

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