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November 02, 2020

Hunter Biden's Story Could Help Hillary Clinton To Become Vice President

The recently revealed business deals of Hunter Biden will strongly influence politics after an eventual Joe Biden win in tomorrows election.

On October 15 the New York Post published a story on Hunter Biden based on data from a laptop Joe Biden's son had left with a repair shop. The Biden family has not disputed that the laptop or the data on it is genuine. Next to the porn on the laptop there were thousand of emails which describe shady deals with a (now defunct) large Chinese energy company, CEFC.

Twitter, Facebook and other media like the Intercept tried to prevent the distribution of the story. They falsely claimed that the information was 'hacked' or unproven. The censorship inevitably made the story more prominent and increased the number of people who learned of it.

A week after the NY Post story ran Tony Bobulinski, a former business partner of Hunter Biden, went public with further allegations against him:

Tony Bobulinski, a former business associate of Hunter Biden, said Wednesday night that he can confirm details regarding his overseas business dealings, including that a reference to a “Big Guy” in a May 13, 2017 email did, in fact, refer to Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

In a lengthy statement, Bobulinski identified himself as the CEO of Sinohawk Holdings, a firm he described as “a partnership between the Chinese operating through CEFC/Chairman Ye and the Biden family.” He added that Hunter Biden and James Gilliar, another business associate, brought him on as CEO of the venture.

“Hunter Biden called his dad ‘the Big Guy’ or ‘my Chairman,’ and frequently referenced asking him for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing,” Bobulinski said. “I’ve seen Vice President Biden saying he never talked to Hunter about his business. I’ve seen firsthand that that’s not true, because it wasn’t just Hunter’s business, they said they were putting the Biden family name and its legacy on the line.”

A number of outlets have each carried various snippets of the whole story of Hunter Biden's very profitable dealings with foreign companies. That has created a confusing picture. Stephen McIntyre, who has done useful investigative research on climate change, Russiagate, and the OPCW shenanigans in Syria, has thankfully created a 19 pages long timeline with all the Biden-China evidence that has so far seen the daylight. He writes:

The Biden family was involved in two major Chinese deals:
  • a carried stake in Bohai Harvest Partners Investment Fund. Their interest in this deal began in 2013. Hunter Biden, Devon Archer and James Bulger each had 10% interests. This fund is still active. Bobulinski was not involved in this deal.
  • a second deal initiated in 2017 in which the Bidens received $5 million from Chinese energy company CEFC and/or its officers. CEFC had, in a short period, become a huge company and, even more quickly, disintegrated. This second deal was the one involving Patrick Ho, who was arrested in Nov 2017 in US for corruption, Gongwen Dong and its chairman Ye Jianming, who was arrested in China and/or disappeared in March 2018.
Nearly all of the interesting texts and emails from 2017 and Bobulinski’s information are limited to this second deal. These were only a small fraction of sleazy transactions by Hunter Biden, Devon Archer and associates. Concurrent with this affair were transactions in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Russia as well as participation in major frauds by John Galanis and Jason Sugarman in which Archer (but not so far, Hunter Biden) have been convicted. The texts and emails have been released in a piecemeal and disorganized way. In this article, I’ll attempt to re-assemble a narrative of events for the CEFC affair.

Another timeline of the Hunter Biden affairs with slightly different material has been collected by Seamus Bruner and John Solomon. They write:

The New York Post broke news last week that Joe Biden himself may have benefited from his son’s dealings. The Post quoted a cryptic message from one of Hunter’s partners, saying that “10 [percent] held by H for the big guy?” The recipient of that message, Tony Bobulinski, says “there is no question” that “H” stands for Hunter and the “big guy” is Joe Biden.

We gain further insight into the operations of Biden Inc. in emails provided to us by Bevan Cooney, a former business associate of Hunter Biden. Cooney, who is currently in prison for his role in the Indian Bond Scheme that is sending Hunter Biden business partner Devon Archer also to jail, shared 26,000 emails that show what Hunter’s role was in their business ventures. The Biden name was considered “currency” for their foreign business ventures, and was a “direct … pipeline” to the Obama-Biden administration. Deals involving Hunter benefited from the “Biden lift,” the help that the name would provide in overseas dealings.

What might the Bidens’ foreign benefactors have expected in return for all this largesse? We can’t say. But some may see a correlation between that foreign money and Joe Biden’s policy posture toward the sources of that money.

Stephen McIntyre has promised to update his timeline with the material revealed by the other authors. As McIntyre is always diligent in his work his timeline can be taken as an authoritative source.

While I am still digging through the above collections here my first thoughts on why these matter.

The facts show that Hunter Biden and other traded on and profited from Joe Biden's position by selling his 'influence' to foreign companies. It is likely that Joe Biden at least indirectly also profited from that work.

The evidence is not rumored Russiagate material like the shoddy Steele dossier but real stuff which has legal consequences:

A federal judge named Joe Biden as a possible “witness” along with his son Hunter in a criminal fraud case last year that ended in the convictions of two of Hunter’s business partners, according to little-noticed court documents. The Democratic presidential candidate’s appearance on a witness list casts new doubt on his claims he knew nothing about his son’s shady business dealings.

As revenge for Russiagate the Republicans will use the affair to their utmost advantage.

There are only two ways for Joe Biden to prevent Republicans and independent media from further digging into the affair and all the potentially illegal issues it reveals.

  • If Joe Biden loses the election the scandal will likely vanish as soon as he retreats from the public view.
  • If Joe Biden wins the election the scandal will fester until he resigns.

The second case is especially interesting. Vice President candidate Kamala Harris has been groomed by Hillary Clinton's inner circle since 2017:

The Democrats’ “Great Freshman Hope,” Sen. Kamala Harris, is heading to the Hamptons to meet with Hillary Clinton’s biggest backers.

The California senator is being fêted in Bridgehampton on Saturday at the home of MWWPR guru Michael Kempner, a staunch Clinton supporter who was one of her national-finance co-chairs and a led fund-raiser for her 2008 bid for the presidency. He was also listed as one of the top “bundlers” for Barack Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign, having raised $3 million.

Clinton's recent Foreign Affairs piece, A National Security Reckoning - How Washington Should Think About Power, must be seen as a job application for a high position in a Harris (Biden) administration. Removing Joe Biden soon after he has won may well be in Clinton's interest.

Should the somewhat demented Joe Biden leave 'for health reasons' soon after he has been sworn into office Kamala Harris would become President. She then could use the 25th Amendment to select Hillary Clinton as the new Vice President.

If, after a Biden win in the election, Hillary Clinton supporters in the liberul media stop censoring the Hunter Biden affair or even start to further expose it we can be sure that such a scheme is on the verge of being implemented.

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Bingo. The Clintons are never too far away from all political shenanigans that go on in the US. They and their cohorts were called the Southern Mafia for a reason.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Nov 2 2020 19:27 utc | 1

Once LBJ became president, the corruption case against him quickly disappeared.

Posted by: lysias | Nov 2 2020 19:29 utc | 2

If Kamala Harris does this, she must have a death wish.

Posted by: lysias | Nov 2 2020 19:31 utc | 3

As I suggested once before on MoA, Harris was chosen by the Clintons. B has explained why. ,

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 2 2020 19:33 utc | 4

Once Hillary is VP, something happens to Harris and Hillary becomes president.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 2 2020 19:35 utc | 5

A Joe Biden impeachment if guilty of payouts from China would be a victory of our system of checks and balances. Still not voting for Trump.

Steele Dossier update I read that the primary source for Steele was Ms. Galkina, basically a nobody creating fiction for pay and not a 'a high ranking Kremlin official'. Does this mean that the Trump Shills like Don Jr, Hannity, Ingraham, et al will stop calling it Russian misinformation sent to the Democrats to attack Donald Trump?

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Nov 2 2020 19:41 utc | 6

This is plausible.

Hillary as Pres. or V. Pres. is the only reason why the Deep State might prefer Biden over Trump.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2020 19:49 utc | 7

It explains why they chose Joe Biden as presidential candidate even though he is clearly not up to the job. He is to be the expendable Trojan horse through which some very unpalatable to the public people will gain power they otherwise would not have been able to.

This should worry those who will vote for Biden. What they are voting for and what they are going to get is not the same thing.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 2 2020 19:53 utc | 8

The US electorate have been grossly deceived by the MSM and social (hah!) media providers.

Posted by: Jpc | Nov 2 2020 19:57 utc | 9

after an eventual Joe Biden win in tomorrows election

I don’t agree with this though.

I think Trump is going to win.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 2 2020 19:58 utc | 10

Useful clarity, b, as always.
Not sure I can agree that Republican reps will drag this into the light post election.
My impression was that they didn't go into Ukraine defense at impeachment was that the campaign finance / money laundering / influence peddling gravy train there, as elsewhere, probably, was and is bipartisan.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Nov 2 2020 20:02 utc | 11

I can buy everything B is saying, but who exactly will investigate President Biden if D's win both Houses of Congress?

Bill Barr could start an investigation, if one has not already been started, but government moves slowly so it is hard to see the Trump administration bringing charges before Biden is sworn in.

But if Hillary wants to throw Biden under the bus after the election, well she could probably do so.

Posted by: Daniel Lynch | Nov 2 2020 20:02 utc | 12

Alas, DS... no one wins here. We all lose, either way.

Posted by: urblintz | Nov 2 2020 20:05 utc | 13

The best arguments against life extension science are people like Clinton, Biden, and Pelosi. Imagine them as speaker or senator or Supreme Court justice for the next 1000 years.

Posted by: Wind Hippo | Nov 2 2020 20:16 utc | 14

thanks b... as jr the bunny notes - this is plausible... the clintons sure are creepy... this is a good halloween story..

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2020 20:18 utc | 15

Wouldn't the 25th amendment be the desired method of transferring power to Harris? Although it has always struck me a wee bit odd that the computer repairman called the FBI after making a copy, which in turn he gave to Rudy Giuliana. Do all computer repairmen have Rudy on speed dial by any chance? Sadly the weird of the whole scenario is very Clintonian. How long til an Arkancide or two happens. Can't the Clintons just go away for good?

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Nov 2 2020 20:24 utc | 16

@ Daniel Lynch | Nov 2 2020 20:02 utc | 12

The democrats will investigate and kick Biden out. The democrats knew all along that this stuff about Biden was real but they had no chance to win with the other losers. So, the order was given to the others to drop from the race and let strawman Biden beat Bernie. If Biden gets elected, they will bring all his dirt up, impeach him and govern from the shadows through Kamala who has no principles and questionable character (e.g., slept with Willie to move her career up).

Posted by: Bill | Nov 2 2020 20:35 utc | 17

Or maybe Harris poisons Biden to speed things up and invites Micky Mouse to become her vice president.

Come on B, this is really clumsy, below your standard. We all know that Biden is corrupt, but we also know that Tronald is even more corrupt, that he is a fascist who has filled every post in his administration with the most disgusting reactionary you can find in the country. And that means something. The man belongs to scrap iron. One cannot reject the bad in favor of the even worse. That is irrational.

Posted by: pnyx | Nov 2 2020 20:37 utc | 18

Biden will not win, MoA. You were also wrong about Covid-19.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas | Nov 2 2020 20:37 utc | 19

Yes, this has been hinted on by my local conservative radio host since Pelosi introduced legislation re: removing unfit presidents about a month ago.

It was always about removing Biden, if he were elected, not Trump.

Biden has never struck me during his whole campaign of a genuine interest in the presidency.

It has always seemed more like he was doing it begrudgingly for "the cause."

Contrast this to the emotion Trump exhibited during his 2016 run when he gripped and nearly ripped his notes in anger after a debate with Hillary Clinton ended. Or how he sat stone-faced during Obama's speech during a white house correspondence dinner where Obama tore into Trump and the audience roared with laughter. Trump just stared right back.

These are pieces any sane person can put together with the understanding that these men are all still subject to egoism and revenge. It is not all elites against us as some simpletons wish to boil it down to. It is much more subtle and so you must use discernment and study their tells and what gives their true desires away.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 2 2020 20:49 utc | 20

Hillary is so unlikely to have authored the Foreign Affairs article. Staff work. Whose staff? Uninteresting to pursue. Other than that appearance Hills has been very quiet. Suspiciously quiet. Could be that Obama or whoever succeeded in shutting her up, that would have been daunting and just plain hard. Better bet is her health is failing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 2 2020 21:08 utc | 21

b, you may need to check this story:

Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai’s right-hand man "I’m not a spy” Mark Simon falls on his sword for the Hunter Biden story .

In short, Mark Simon took initiative and gave $10,000 to a guy called Crhistopher Balding, an associate professor at Beijing University and late moved to Vietnam on Fulbright Scholarship, to prepare and disseminate the "Aspen dossier" detailing supposed Chinese influence ops targeting the Biden family basing an the "info/disinformation" from a supposed Swiss investigator Martin Aspen.

After NBC article exposes Martin Aspen is actually an AI-created persona, Jimmy Lai, who depends on the support from USG to continue his anti-China activities in HK, publicly distance himself from the whole operation, and his trusted lieutenant Mark Simon, a possible CIA agent, announced his resignation from Apple Daily after Balding exposed his involvement. Detail here

Posted by: lulu | Nov 2 2020 21:10 utc | 22

Okay, sleazy and yet very normal (one might say habitual) corruption in a US political family. But by 2017, Joe Biden was out of office, and there is nothing that suggests that he, rather than his repulsive son, was profiting before that.
The stake in the Bohai Harvest Partners Investment Fund (2013) does not name Joe Biden as an investor at all.

This may be why the FBI, the media, and even Glenn Greenwald in his article, say that there is nothing in this pile of dog crap that implicates Joe Biden at this point.

Posted by: teri | Nov 2 2020 21:11 utc | 23

All very plausible, all very Byzantine and decadent. The "United States of America" is in the midst of decay and breakup, which will occur no matter who is "elected" or otherwise gains power, legally or militarily. It is only a question of which "gang in power" -to use Murray Rothbard's phrase- is running your successor state.

Posted by: Plymouth Rock | Nov 2 2020 21:13 utc | 24

How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge.

A quick search on BHR Partners, it says:

According to The New Yorker, in June 2013, "[Jonathan] Li, Archer, and other business partners signed a memorandum of understanding to create the fund, which they named BHR Partners, and, in November, they signed contracts related to the deal. Hunter became an unpaid member of BHR’s board but did not take an equity stake in BHR Partners until after his father left the White House →".

The Aspen Dossier was peddled by Balding to right wing websites, which then first published in mid-Sept and now got the momentum.

Posted by: lulu | Nov 2 2020 21:25 utc | 25

The notion that the Democrats will allow their party name to be associated with a deposed Democrat President seems more than far-fetched.
Far more likely is that the "investigation" will drag on long enough to fade from public view, then quietly pardon everyone.
This Biden to Harris to HRC seems much more like a plot for a fantasy/spy novel.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 2 2020 21:29 utc | 26

Stephen McIntyre is a very credible source. I have followed his climate work, it is top notch.

Hillary Clinton as vice president? Who could have guessed? /s She will have the same role as Cheney had over Bush. A nightmare scenario.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2020 21:31 utc | 27

Meanwhile...we are being distracted by the autum of terror in being prepared in Europe...

At least 150 private military contractors have been transported to Europe on Pentagon-chartered flights over the last weeks, including from Benghazi, #Libya via #Malta to Sofia, #Bulgaria

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 2 2020 21:33 utc | 28

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 2 2020 21:33 utc | 28

Someone also added to this:

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 2 2020 21:36 utc | 29

Harris could simply resign some weeks after Clinton II gets the VP, Harris could do so for any reason but if it was me writing the script I would cook up some mumbo jumbo about "clean slate", "not yet ready", "for the sake of blah-blah" and so on.

That way Harris can come back and fill the gap between Clinton II and Clinton III (no prizes for guessing who).

Not that I don't think the US won't be gone long before that can happen or won't be in a civil war if any of it does or maybe from Biden or the "election" alone.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 2 2020 21:40 utc | 30

I agree with many here: looks like a typical political elite family corruption (Roman-style corruption).

But I have a theory: with Reagan's hegemony (1980-1992), the old Democrat elites were wiped out. The Democratic Party came near to extinction, the USA almost becoming a single-party nation. Reagan looked invincible, the consensus he commanded among the American people incontestable. He easily elected his successor (George H. W. Bush).

The Democrats were reborn, like a Phoenix, thanks to a huge transformation: the rise of the so-called "Southern Democrats". This newly-born faction, much more conservative, had one clear leadership: Bill Clinton, from Arkansas.

Bill Clinton then surprisingly won against George H. W. Bush and got extremely lucky: he got the USSR in tatters, ready for the sack. The ransacking of the Soviet Sphere marked the only time after the post-war miracle (1945-1974) when the USA registered a trade surplus (+38%).

This ransacking, in my theory, generated the rise of a new set of families of a new Democrat elite. All of then are vassals to the Clinton family (as we can deduce from the de facto fusion between the Clinton Foundation and the DNC), but each got the right to a piece of the ex-Soviet cake. Victoria Nuland, for example, got the telecommunication industries of the ex-Yugoslavia through her husband. My guess is the Bidens are part of this new, "Southern Democrat" elite, hence their casual connections with ex-Soviet states and mafias.

Everything must have been done quickly and hastily, as Bill Clinton wasn't able to elect his successor (Al Gore). This realization that "time was short" may explain the apparent amateurish partition of the ex-socialist cake by those families. Hence the laptop episode.

The Obama phenomenon may be easily explained: the crisis of 2008 prompted Wall Street to enter the field because they needed the bailout (Bush's Congress blocked the bailout in November 2008, putting the Texan on his knees) to pass as soon as January 2009. Hilary Clinton was senator for New York (you cannot be elected in NY without Wall Street's consent), so it wasn't that she was in any position to rig the DNC at that moment. Penny Pritzker somehow convinced Wall Street moguls Obama (senator from Illinois, USA's second financial center) was the better candidate to the task. Even then, Hilary competed with Obama, and there were primaries, so the process wasn't as smooth as many alt-rightists like to tell us today. Plus, Hilary was still young, so she had time: she may have calculated Obama would be left to clean the shit from the crisis and she would reap the economic recovery as his successor; that Obama survived and easily got reelected is merely one of those windfalls of destiny.

Anyhow, the fact is that Obama disappeared after his second term and the Clintons came back to the forefront of the Democratic Party. This is an indication he was more of a detour on the party's project, the Southern Democrats never really losing grip. I don't think the Bidens are, therefore, part of Obama's entourage, but of the Clinton's.

Posted by: vk | Nov 2 2020 21:47 utc | 31

- When I read that Hillary Clinton has put out a job application then I almost want Trump to win the presidential election of 2020.
- There was one person who said that the choice between Clinton and Trump (in 2016) and Biden and Trump (in 2020) was the choice between having typhoid and having cholera.

Posted by: Willy2 | Nov 2 2020 21:51 utc | 32

Quick check on Chinese webiste, the exact name of the joint fund Hunter Biden's company participated is Bohai Harvest RST (Shanghai) Equity Investment Fund Management Co. Ltd, a sub fund of Bohai Harvest Partners Investment Fund.

Its aim is to use Shanghai FTA to covert Chinese Yuan to dollar to invest overseas.

(Somehow, I personally doubt this kind of funds could be used by rich Chinese tycoons and corrupt officials to shift their illegal gains out of China.)

As mention above, Hunter was unpaid board member of BHR and didn't have an equity stake in BHR Partners .

Obviously, it looks rather nepotism, but isn't it the fact that lots of relatives of the American (Chinese, European, Japanes, etc.) politicians have been doing these kind dubious business deals all the time?

Are any patriotic Trump supporters making a big fuss about this: Wilbur Ross Remained on Chinese Joint Venture Board While Running U.S.-China Trade War.

Probably, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black?

Posted by: lulu | Nov 2 2020 21:58 utc | 33

I don't know b. Too many if, then, elses, for this nirvana to occur.
I'll bide/bite my time and wait.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 2 2020 22:03 utc | 34

Hunter was quite the sleaze an "honorary" Trump family member.

Posted by: SteveLaudig | Nov 2 2020 22:05 utc | 35

I don't know much abou the Hillary-Kamala relationship but I do know that Hillary is prehaps the only person that Congress can agree on to be VP.

Fact check: If the vice president becomes president, House speaker doesn't become new VP

"Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress," Section 2 of the amendment explains.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2020 22:05 utc | 36

Biden is a petty criminal compared to the Clinton crime family.

Her role in massive arms smuggling from Benghazi:

And the coup in Honduras:

Posted by: Carlton Meyer | Nov 2 2020 22:15 utc | 37


Penny Pritzker? Where do you come up with this stuff? She’s a nasty piece of work all right but that she moved Wall Street or played kingmaker is just absurd.

Penny couldn’t even manage basic South Side real estate swindles without buckets of help. Including from Obama. Who has a long family pedigree and outranks Pritzkers in every way.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 2 2020 22:15 utc | 38

@Christian J. Chuba #6

I read that the primary source for Steele was Ms. Galkina, basically a nobody creating fiction for pay and not a 'a high ranking Kremlin official'. Does this mean that the Trump Shills like Don Jr, Hannity, Ingraham, et al will stop calling it Russian misinformation sent to the Democrats to attack Donald Trump?

You might have missed this, but it has been established by U.S. scientists that Russians are not animals. Russians is a giant fungal mycelium that may form animal mimic fruiting bodies colloquially known as “Russian individuals”. Thus, while it may appear to you that Galkina is a separate organism, in reality “she” is a mere outgrowth of Russians. Any action taken by “her” is an action of the entire organism. That is why any time a Russian fruiting body misbehaves, the sanctions are imposed on the entire mycelium. Hope this helps.

Posted by: S | Nov 2 2020 22:16 utc | 39

Suddenly , some of the woke liberals and MSM journos start to doubt the corrupt Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui aka Miles Kwok, a fugitive, and MSM's mostly beloved master of Chinese "leaker", is working for CCP(!) and begin to expose his undemocratic behavour:

- Guo Wengui Is Sending Mobs After Chinese Dissidents

- They once peddled misinformation for Guo Wengui and Steve Bannon. Now they're speaking out

All because of his involvement of collecting/making-up disinformation "leaks" about Biden family?

Posted by: lulu | Nov 2 2020 22:16 utc | 40

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 2 2020 22:15 utc | 38

She was Obama's main fundraiser I think. This is public knowledge.

Obama raised double of what John McCain did. It was a comfortable victory.

Posted by: vk | Nov 2 2020 22:19 utc | 41

I think Biden was chosen, because no one wanted him, as a 'consensus candidate' against Bernie Sanders. Sanders is a much more existential threat to the 'establishment' than Donald Trump. And yeah, sheep dog etc. the point is the ideas behind Sanders - to begin mitigation of corporate power - is the enemy.

Hillary Clinton? If the plan is to seal the deal for a third party movement to actually rival the two-party monopoly, then good plan.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 2 2020 22:21 utc | 42

Posted by: lulu | Nov 2 2020 22:16 utc | 40

Yeah, no doubt they suckered Hunter, then saved the laptop for October while making up a story for how they got it. I have always felt - I won't say thought - that the whole story stunk, it was just too convenient, the timing too perfect, the scandal too juicy, and Trump is a vindictive person, it's payback. Perhaps they enhanced the contents a bit too. If there is an investigation, it could be interesting.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2020 22:29 utc | 43

B's prediction that Joe Biden being pushed out early during his first term as President, either because of Hunter Biden's scandals or his own worsening dementia, to be replaced by Kamala Harris as President who would then nominate The Klintonator as her VP, will depend on Biden winning the Presidency.

The way the election seems to be going - I have seen some news that an Australian news reporter in the US, monitoring the news polls and speaking to people, is confused because while the polls predict a Biden win, the majority of the people he talks to (I presume he travels quite a lot and speaks to people of very different backgrounds and communities) are voting for Trump - the results may be very close, they will depend on votes coming from US voters casting votes overseas or mail-in votes, the Electoral College voting may be very close and I hazard that the final result may not be known until December.

Plenty of time then for both Democrats and Republicans to accuse each other of stalling on the results, for fighting to break out all around the nation, and cities to try to enforce lockdowns to the extent of calling in the military. Perhaps when civil war breaks out, someone will propose some kind of unity government, Congress in its panic will agree and somehow The Klintonator manages to wangle her way into the Presidency or a position as Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State.

Posted by: Jen | Nov 2 2020 22:38 utc | 44

here is a post from someone at sst - jersey jeffersonian - quoting from a website... i don't know if or how much of this is true, but it goes with all of this..

"It seems now that Chris Wray's FBI was sitting on the Hunter Biden laptop, too.

And probably, beyond permitting the whole impeachment farago to plow ahead by hiding evidence supportive of President Trump's actions, or lack thereof, in Ukraine, because certain activities in which Wray had been involved earlier might come back to haunt him. Here is a passage quoted from James Kunstler's blog post of this morning on this point:

"’s a strange Swamp sidelight to all this: CEFC’s main exploit during the Biden hook-up years was the purchase of a 14 percent stake in Russia’s oil-and-gas giant, Rosneft, to help China circumvent US sanctions on Russia’s oil sales. Guess who was one of the lawyers working for Rosneft: Christopher Wray, just before he became FBI director. And guess who has been sitting on Hunter Biden’s laptop since at least December of 2019. Oh, the FBI. And guess what else: the Rosneft files have since been deleted by Mr. Wray’s old law firm, King and Spalding."

Recall here Biden's negotiations with the head of CEFC, Ho Chiping, to establish a humongous LPG facility in Louisiana (see the referenced blog post for more information)." here is the website link as well for the specific quote - The Awful Reckoning

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2020 22:50 utc | 45

When the last serious dispute about who had won a presidential election occurred, in 1876, they had four months between the election and the inauguration of the new president to resolve the matter, and then the dispute was only resolved at the last moment, just before the inauguration date.

Now, with the inauguration date moved back from March to December, they will have considerably less time to resolve a dispute.

Posted by: lysias | Nov 2 2020 22:57 utc | 46

Trump has already won FL.
The early voting makes that clear.

Posted by: JoeG | Nov 2 2020 23:00 utc | 47

Are all you lefties holding your breath?

Posted by: JoeG | Nov 2 2020 23:01 utc | 48

while certainly a possible scenario b.should remember “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.” Yogi Berra. I do remember how Nelson Rockefeller got to be a heart beat away from the Presidency when he couldn't he win the Republican nomination. First Spiro Agnew was convicted of corruption and resigned. then the CIA brought Nixon down. Gerald Ford picked rockefeller to be VP. there were 2 attempts to assassinate Ford. One happened in San francisco where a gay ex Marine defelected the hand of Sara Jane Moore to save Ford from death or maiming. Gerald Ford refused to shake the hand of his savior because he was gay. this was 17 days after "Squeaky" Fromme failed while wearing a bright red dress at a rally in Sacramento (I imagine the pros were late).(Ford was a big proponent of the Warren commission which he was on so I guess he was rewarded like Ar;em Spector the inventor of the magic bullet in the JFK assassination who became Senator. Hale Boggs a skeptic on the commisssion is another one of those whose plane falls out of the sky). One of those common conspiracy theory coincidental factoids is that Sara Jane came from the same hometown as Charlie Manson. In fact she bought candy from his mother on the way home from school at the neighborhood shop where she worked. It is my speculation that Sara Jane was a failed Mk Ultra assassin. She was working as an FBI informant at the time of her attempt. Ford's life was probably saved when he lost to Jimmy Carter. Most of us have heard the somewhat authenticated fact that Nelson died of a heart attack a few years later while having sex with a prostitute.

Posted by: gepay | Nov 2 2020 23:05 utc | 49

Say Biden wins, why would such corruption remove him from office? Didn't happen to Trump or Cheney?

Posted by: Jay | Nov 2 2020 23:13 utc | 50

I agree VP Clinton would do to POTUS Harris what VP LBJ did to POTUS JFK. Harris just does not look intelligent enough to survive under VP Clinton.

But this only if DNC wins the election.

Posted by: Kiza | Nov 2 2020 23:21 utc | 51

After having been attacked relentlessly for last four years by the combined efforts of the “six ways from Sunday”, color revolutioning Deep State and corrupt/compromised Dems and RINOs, Trump survived everything that was thrown at him.

I believe Trump has learned from this brutal experience, has anticipated/gamed his opposition’s pre- and post-election moves, and planned his election responses accordingly.

Trump campaign statement on Democrat plans to delegitimize Election Day results.

“The last gasp of the Biden campaign will be ugly and it will be ruthless.”

Based on this past history, I think Trump has a better than average chance of coming out on top this time, provided he does not over-reach.

Posted by: gm | Nov 2 2020 23:24 utc | 52

James quoted Kuntsler:

"Guess who was one of the lawyers working for Rosneft: Christopher Wray, just before he became FBI director. And guess who has been sitting on Hunter Biden's laptop since at least December of 2019."

Kuntsler has lost his marbles.

There is nothing on Hunter's laptop that could be used to indict anybody of any crime. Given that fact the FBI has done what is proper under the law and kept its mouth shut.
Morons like Kunstler think the FBI's job is to smear the reputations of the president's political opponents.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 2 2020 23:33 utc | 53

Would YOU want to be President with Hillary as your Vice President? Not me unless I had a death wish.

Posted by: timbers | Nov 2 2020 23:43 utc | 54

Bemildred @ 43

If Trump win tomorrow, which I think he will given the current situation (Biden scandals & today's Vienna terror attack), I doubt Trump government will further investigate Hunter Biden "Aspen dossier", since it could turn out just as the Steele dossier.

To add some new info. to my posts @33 @40, an analysis from chinahand, who thinks the Hunter Biden dossier could be the work of Taiwan's DPP government.

Here is the original "Aspen dossier" prepared by the AI-generated Martin Aspen's supposed firm: TYPHOON INVESTIGATIONS.

When come to the topic about China, liberal or right wing are basic the same: putting on the trusted ideology-tinted glasses:Chinese Fund Backed By Hunter Biden Invested in Major Chinese Surveillance Firm

Posted by: lulu | Nov 2 2020 23:44 utc | 55

@Bemidred 43, @jinn 53
I love the smell of the Democrats’ desperation in the morning!

Posted by: Kiza | Nov 2 2020 23:45 utc | 56

Also why would Joe B's incipient dementia, provided he wins, mean that he'd leave office early? Ronny didn't.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 2 2020 23:48 utc | 57

Also why would Joe B's incipient dementia, provided he wins, mean that he'd leave office early? Ronny didn't.

Posted by: Jay | Nov 2 2020 23:48 utc | 58

@ jinn | Nov 2 2020 23:33 utc | 53... i thought it was interesting the link between wray, the law firm and etc. etc... i have no idea if any of that is true or not - probably not, but it makes for good reading.. i think the bigger question is would anyone in the fbi or cia play partisan politics?? personally i believe this has been happening and that there is a clash going on with a lot of info remaining hidden for specific partisan purposes... now, i know this is sacrilege to say this, but i do believe it is the case and the fbi and cia have gotten way too big for their britches.... we'll see.... i agree with you they all need to stay out of picking a political side in all of this, but i am not sure they can, or that they are.. if you think about what the steele dossier amounted to, i think it becomes clear people inside the cia-fbi are playing partisan politics...

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2020 23:50 utc | 59

B it wouldn't happen even if DNC willed it. Hillary Clinton is not popular to the left from the start and her Podesta email affairs including his post election behavior have dropped her effectively out from any electability left she had which wasn't much to begin with. As of now i think Trump will win in a historical repeat of his previous election which DNC sabotaged their own run.

Posted by: Lucci | Nov 2 2020 23:54 utc | 60

Given the current condition of the Outlaw US Empire and state of the world, I'll ask the question I asked before several months ago: Does it really matter which unqualified goon/witch/zombie becomes POTUS?

The EU, China, Russia, and a host of other nations are already doing their own thing. The domestic condition of the Empire is a shambles, plus there's the pandemic--do note those are two separate things. As commented upon on the week in review thread, the overall state of human development within the Empire's beyond dismal with no major initiative taken yet this century, same with infrastructure just to keep what we already have running. The Neoliberal Parasites ruling the roost don't care about any of that, which is why it's so damned degraded. Neither Duopoly candidate was going to do anything about it, and the same goes for any successor. Then there's the simmering rage that's developing into a Critical Mass, one part of which can't be fixed since it's a judicial doctrine--qualified immunity--that must be overturned/disavowed by the USSC that a POTUS could demand but none of the current losers ever will, especially Harris. In other words, everything's in place for further rot and decay to occur and even be accelerated depending upon the electoral outcome.

Now, this isn't some pessimistic, cynical oh woes me lament. Rather, the above's a true state-of-the-nation report that's actually rosier than reality. In fact, it seems odd that so many people are voting.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2020 23:55 utc | 61

I don't buy the line that Hillary would have Harris offed, but Hillary
is surely power hungry and will steal the limelight. If Harris is President
then she can call the shots -- and is too smart to pick Hillary. In this
scenario I would think Harris will pick some nonentity -- Buttegieg?

Posted by: Nick | Nov 2 2020 23:57 utc | 62

According to Real Clear Politics polls two-thirds of US citizens disapprove of Congress and the direction of the country, and that's been true not just recently but for a long time. So many voters are inclined to vote against the establishment, and for an upstart (which Trump still is). . .That's what voters thought Obama was, in 2008.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 3 2020 0:07 utc | 63

karlof #61
Does it really matter which unqualified goon/witch/zombie becomes POTUS?
You have somehow overlooked Trump's record, which is one of many changes from previous presidents: breaking up alliances, trashing treaties, avoiding new wars, etc. A genuine bull in the china shop, one might say.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 3 2020 0:11 utc | 64

I voted for Howie Hawkins, and according to the moronic faux left that means I voted for Trump. Oddly, I am not at all anxious about the outcome of tomorrow's plebiscite. I wonder how that could be? /sarc

Interesting times!

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 3 2020 0:13 utc | 65

WaPo's Josh Rogin calls Guo Wengui, who has provided so many juicy "Chinese leaks" to the MSM, spreading anti-Biden disinforamtion !

The anti-China holly alliance Jimmy Lai, Gui Wengui, Mark Simon& Co, who midwifed the Aspen dossier, are suddenly getting attacked by MSM, esp. liberals, for their disinformation and working for CCP to influence American election!


Posted by: lulu | Nov 3 2020 0:13 utc | 66

Posted by: lulu | Nov 2 2020 23:44 utc | 55

Thank you for the ChinaHand. :-)

I don't claim to know who's going to win, and I can't convince myself it matters much, given who they are. Trump does seem to handling the dirty fighting, smearing, and trickery better than the Dems at the moment, but there are 90+ million votes in already, it's already over, we just don't know how we voted yet. Anyway, that's just the beginning, it's not at all clear we are going to make it to Jan 21st with all the necessary parts still intact. Watching the Clinton gang and the Trump gang take each other on could get very entertaining for us peons out here.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 3 2020 0:17 utc | 67

@ 61 karlof1... in my comments, i have answered this question numerous times here at moa.. it matters not which side wins... slow drip or fast drip - what is your preference?? @ don bacon notes - trump is the fast drip.. some prefer the fast drip to the slow drip, but at this point it is largely game over for the usa as i see it..

Posted by: james | Nov 3 2020 0:24 utc | 68

@Posted by: JoeG | Nov 2 2020 23:00 utc | 47

Them why is he trying to stop the counting of mail vote in Nevada?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 3 2020 0:27 utc | 69

james wrote

i think the bigger question is would anyone in the fbi or cia play partisan politics??

Of course when the FBI plays partisan politics that is a big story that should be condemned...

When the FBI does not play partisan politics making that a big story and condemning that is insidious and demented.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 3 2020 0:37 utc | 70

Don Bacon @64--

Hi Don. No, Trump's represented as the goon. His MAGA con was just that--he hasn't done one thing to improve the USA aside from increasing the share of the 1%'s wealth. I didn't vote for Biden either. Like Gruff, I voted for Hawkins, a strategic vote to keep the Green Party in electoral contention here in Oregon. Otherwise, I voted mostly for D-Party candidates down ballot and went Yes on all initiatives. I might have said something different about the very high voter participation in this election as it being one bright spot. If Trump wins, we'll have a continuation of his lying and thieving; and if Biden wins, we'll get to experience his version of lying and thieving. And in a week or ten days after Eta finishes its tour of Central America, it will likely congratulate the Gulf coast with its gifts and perhaps visit Trump's Florida property.

Until legislation that genuinely aims at improving the Real American Economy and the condition of its human and fundamental support capital, the Duopoly will continue to be a utter failure for what really matters for US citizens regardless their political affiliation as it will continue to shower the 1% with what few gains in wealth are attained. That's the real Trick or Treat for this election.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2020 0:38 utc | 71

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Nov 2 2020 19:35 utc | 5 Once Hillary is VP, something happens to Harris and Hillary becomes president.

Not necessarily. Remember Dick Cheney. Ruling from behind the throne is always better than being on the throne (unless you're a lunatic narcissist like Trump.)

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 2 2020 19:49 utc | 7 This is plausible. Hillary as Pres. or V. Pres. is the only reason why the Deep State might prefer Biden over Trump.

See how easy it is to come with theories? You just shot yourself in the foot. I just responded to your last in the last thread. I suggest we leave it at that until the votes are tallied and your prediction is resolved.

Unfortunately for b, his theory is also just that: a theory. Plausible. Credible. Unproven until it actually happens that way. That Clinton may resurface wouldn't surprise me, however - she won't stop looking for power and money until she's on her death bed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2020 23:55 utc | 61 Rather, the above's a true state-of-the-nation report that's actually rosier than reality. In fact, it seems odd that so many people are voting.

Agreed. I suspect the reason everyone is turning out for this vote is a combination of: 1) most want to get rid of Trump as the worst President in US history, which even morons can see is true; and 2) most are fed up with the crap and are over-stressed with the economy and the pandemic but are still stupid enough to think that voting might change something.

To quote "Blazing Saddles": "You know - morons."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 3 2020 0:46 utc | 72

james wrote

i agree with you they all need to stay out of picking a political side in all of this, but i am not sure they can, or that they are.. if you think about what the steele dossier amounted to,

You are babbling nonsense. The Steele dossier amounted to nothing at all. The voters knew nothing at all about the Steele dossier until after the election. That is good evidence that the left wing media was helping trump get elected because every major US news outlet was given the opportunity to publish the Steele Dossier before the 2016 election and they all refused.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 3 2020 0:49 utc | 73

Richard Steven Hack @72

I suspect the reason everyone is turning out for this vote is a combination of: 1) most want to get rid of Trump as the worst President in US history
That remains to be seen. Many pvoters are showing up because the news media that they listen are telling them trump is on the right track. And more people in the places that will decide the election are listening to that news media than any other.

Whatever happens it likely will be a record turn out and trump will be remembered for making that happen.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 3 2020 1:01 utc | 74

Crooke's latest is about Europe but also involves what's occurring in the US election and is certainly worth reading how and why. One certain outcome is EU actions will further cement the Russia-China partnership, especially the German delusions, which are very deep and potentially destructive. IMO, the American Disease is now plaguing Europe along with the terrorist blowback from backing Obama's ISIS. Crooke's conclusion depicts that disease:

"European governments have been caught off-guard. There is absolute confusion as governments try to square keeping the economy alive, with containing the infected from overwhelming hospitals – achieving neither. This represents the cost of the ‘summer opening’ to save the tourist season. No one is on their balcony these evenings banging cooking pots in communal solidarity. Today, protests and riots have taken their place.

"Into this mounting anger is inserted dark suspicion. Some may view Covid as pure conspiracy; others will not. Yet it is not ‘conspiracy’ to believe that European governments may knowingly have used the pandemic to increase their tools of social control, (despite ‘distancing’ being a genuine medical containment strategy). Was this concerted in anticipation of the changes implicit to the ‘Great Reset’? We do not know. Yet, from the outset, western governments couched their measures as ‘war’ – and as war that required war-time state-directed economics, and war-time public compliance.

"Rightly or wrongly, it is becoming a culture war. Overtones of the anger on U.S. streets. Again, dark suspicions that cultural life is being closed down in order to prepare Europeans for the drowning of their cultural identities into a big Brussels-made, melting-pot. These fears may be misplaced, but they are ‘out there’, and viral."

Neoliberalism on the march bring dysfunction, distress and mass protests.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2020 1:10 utc | 75

There was an unusually high rate of voting participation in the contested 1876 presidential election, because so many people strongly desired their side to win. Whites in the South wanted to re-establish white supremacy. Blacks in the South wanted to prevent this. 1876 was in the midst of a depression. Those suffering from the depression wanted loose money. The well to do wanted a tight money policy.

Many similarities between the two years, 1876 and 2020. But a big difference is that 1876 was only 11 years since the end of a civil war, so that a lot of people didn't want another one. 2020, on the other hand, is over 150 years since the end of that civil war.

Posted by: lysias | Nov 3 2020 1:28 utc | 76

Knowing some crack addicts myself they will say anything to get the money but dont ever intend to do whatever they say they where gonna. So whatever rich businessman gave money yo hunter just got ripped off by a druggie i havent seem any solid info that joe b was gonna do anything for money

Posted by: Bob | Nov 3 2020 1:53 utc | 77

Boy, you can smell the desperation on this site so bad there must be a skunk lurking somewhere.

That's some wild Clinton conspiracy you cooked up! Or: How to scare last-minute and undecided voters to Trump's side by raising the spectre of Hillary from the political graveyard. Is this a spooky post-Halloween stunt?

So Hunter had a laptop with porn. Oh my! And Trump f*cked a porn star while Melania was birthing and then paid Stormy off and that's a campaign finance violation; a crime.

But that's not all Trump has done. Sources inside the White House claim that Trump is very worried that if he loses the election he will be subject to increased scrutiny from state and federal prosecutors. Du-uh, and no immunity.

No doubt that $10 Million cash he injected into his 2016 campaign will also be reviewed. How about charging him with criminal negligence and breaching his oath of office for starters? And he has hundreds of millions in debt coming due.

Trump to cult followers at rally.:

Could you imagine if I lose?… I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country—I don’t know.

I'm sure Pootie can oblige and let him stay at one of his many palaces.

Trump is running scared and with good reason.

And can you believe that he's said he might fire Dr. Fauci after the election? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

Going, going gone! I'm counting down the hours for that motherf**ker to finally get his comeuppance and for he and his clan to be asked to vacate the premises or to be escorted off or removed by force.

Trouble awaits Citizen Trump.:


Posted by: Circe | Nov 3 2020 1:54 utc | 78

@ jinn | Nov 3 2020 0:49 utc | 73... gee jinn, you sure know how to flatter a person, lol... if the steele dossier was such a nothing burger, why did it eat up at least the first 3 years of the trump admin?? why were a number of people involved in the cia-fbi willing to push this bullshit?? my turn - you are babbling nonsense and unwilling to acknowledge how the situation at present in usa politics have become much more polluted and partisan from trumps time in office... and, i don't have a horse in the race fwiw... i am calling it like i see it... these organizations have been corrupted as i see it..

Posted by: james | Nov 3 2020 1:56 utc | 79

Richard Steven Hack @Nov3 0:46 @72

See how easy it is to come with theories?

No, its not easy. There aren't many plausible scenarios.

For example, If Hillary becomes VP, her then killing Kamala to become President (as some have suggested) is intriguing but not a plausible theory.

You just shot yourself in the foot.

Really? In a broader sense, my theory is that Deep State arranged for Trump to be President and will act to enhance his power because that helps them.

Putting Hillary into office might actually be a better demonstration of the power of the Deep State and their willingness to use that power to manipulate political outcomes.

But I still think that Deep State objectives would be better served by establishing a 'Glorious Leader'. It could be that Hillary-as-VP is a red-herring. We shall see.

Got popcorn?


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 3 2020 2:16 utc | 80

I'm on page 15 of 19 from Stev McIntire's timeline b linked to in his post.

It's a "must read". Bottom line-- I don't see how Biden will survive this. He's in over his eyeballs in sleaze, leveraging his name through his brother, his son Hunter and probably others to make lots of money. He had a typical rudimentary system which attempted to hide his name-- hence, "big guy" references-- but he is very dirty and won't be able to hide behind his "wayward" son, his dead son, his dead wife and daughter as he has in the past. This account fits perfectly with his Ukraine antics: using his muscle, his prestige to clear the way for corrupt money streams. There are people who are talking and confirming the veracity of the emails. These people will become household names. This is nothing like the Steele garbage. This is as real as it gets. Prepare for a Dem meltdown, then a Kamala Harris promotion. No need for a "West Wing" series.
thanks b!

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 3 2020 2:20 utc | 81

People who don't have "qualifications" like Biden's, don't rise to serious candidacy. And it's no accident.

Trump has plenty of these qualifications, and his family, hasn't led to anything much for him.

It's more likely a means of control than removal. Mainstream blue media won't report it, unless... Nothing Fox says will matter, and they'll grow tired of it too. It's not likely resulting in criminal actions against Hunter. No impeachment either, obviously.

The Hillary Engineering is an independent fact. While about my least favorite, I'd still promote her in preference to any Republican. She won the popular vote in 2016 including my vote. It's not surprising she has inside connections to all. It may not be a done deal, and if something does happen, I think more likely they'd find someone else, like Buttigieg, also in Hillary's orbit.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Nov 3 2020 2:21 utc | 82

re: @vk 31

Just for some more historical color, at least my take...

Dem elites weren't dead in the 80's, but the changes coming from the reshuffling of the 1970s were still settling. After being initially smashed by Reagan, Dems retook the Senate in '86. The '88 election featured Jesse Jackson, making a run for the D primary that scared the party elites in a way that Obama did not but Sanders may have. The '92 election was about NAFTA (foreshadowing Trump '16). Perot made a massive showing for a third party candidate - after dropping out! Clinton won because Perot split the right wing vote, Dems still had the unions, an the unions still had numbers. Then under Clinton the power structure was indeed finally settled. Obama did not depart from it. Nor Bush II, really.

On the Republican side it was cemented under Reagan. The three great pillars of ideology: looting, shooting, and polluting. The real goal: bank deregulation and states' rights. They controlled the courts all along, but this was in part historical coincidence. Nixon-Ford appointed half the Supreme court. Reagan-Bush too. Fun fact- when Dems got the Senate back during the Reagan presidency, Biden inherited the chairmanship of the Judiciary committee from his Republican mentor Strom Thurmond, considered a hero among southern Republicans for trying to prevent civil rights legislation. Biden's position as a conservative Democrat gave him super powerful positions in the Senate for a long time.

The Clintons certainly consolidated control of the D party in an incredible way. Definitely Obama was just along for the ride, never pulling the strings. We are lucky the Podesta emails came out helping reveal this, but the damage was done.

Biden's connection to power predated the Clinton's I think. It went back to the big realignment of the 1970s under Nixon. One commonality between Biden and the Clintons was the 'lesson learned' by Democrat leaders from their loss to Reagan -- they must pander to fiscal conservatives in big business, and if necessary, ideologically as well. Clinton presented this this by "triangulating". Obama took a similar path. Biden used no such subtleties, and I doubt he will if he gets to be president and stays healthy.

A principal side effect of Clintonism, after the new structure had some time to mature, is that there is once again a class divide, perhaps inverted in terms of party. Republicans have the working class, more and more convincingly now. Dems more clearly now represent the upper-middle class. The racial divide contradicts this for the time being, but I think that will be realigned. Bush II tried to do this to a degree, appealing pretty successfully to hispanic voters on the basis of social conservatism and sortof libertarian values, believe it or not. But that might not work because of anti-immigrant sentiment which is a natural pairing for right-wing working class politics, and so Republicans may have more success absorbing black voters instead. In any case, Trump kindof wrecked both options for Republicans, by alienating both black and hispanic working class voters. But people are quick to forget, and Democrats so far have offered crap for an alternative. The next presidency is going to be about damage control on many fronts, very possibly including unpopular austerity policies, so Republicans will most likely recover.

Posted by: ptb | Nov 3 2020 2:35 utc | 83

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 3 2020 2:16 utc | 80 No, its not easy. There aren't many plausible scenarios.

b just showed you there are. Besides, who's counting? *One* other plausible theory is all that's needed to render your theory just that: a theory.

"For example, If Hillary becomes VP, her then killing Kamala to become President (as some have suggested) is intriguing but not a plausible theory."

I agree. There are easier ways. Plus, as I said above, ruling from behind the throne is often better than being on it.

"But I still think that Deep State objectives would be better served by establishing a 'Glorious Leader'."

The operative word: you "think". Sure, Trump wants to be a "Glorious Leader" - but who knows if the Deep State - or who in the Deep State - thinks now is the time for that approach? You don't, I'm pretty sure.

"Got popcorn?"

I'm a prepper. I've got a half dozen two-pound bags of popcorn (along with a lot of other stuff) laid in because food shortages are going to be real. Just need to get some more butter (maybe ghee or clarified butter as it's shelf stable and can be used in place of oil to pop popcorn due to the higher melting temperature). LOL

Reminds me of 1993 in the Federal pen at Florence FCI in Colorado. The blacks and the Mexican went at it in the exercise yard and then turned it into a riot. The whites stayed out of it and we all popped popcorn in the housing unit microwave. Today the morons will be out voting, getting into fights, etc., while I'm watching TV. Angry Prepper, a black firefighter in New York I follow on Youtube, was talking the other day about crime increasing in New York and how the city was falling apart again (he blames De Blasio and Cuomo). He almost got in a fight over parking spaces with some Latinos. Nothing changes.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Nov 3 2020 2:36 utc | 84

The unquestioned premise that anything Hunter Biden said in an email to people he was stringing along is folly that matches or exceeds any alleged Trump derangement syndrome. To count as a story, there needs to be emails from Hunter to Joe and from Joe to Hunter. Absent that, there is no story here at all, beyond the obsessive desire to kiss Trump's ass. Likely to have benefited isn't even evidence, it's malice from a partisan hack. Any money that Hunter uses for anything "benefits" Joe Biden if it keeps him from hitting up his old man.

For God's sake, wake up. If this is the computer Hunter Biden used for not just the legal forms of influence peddling but the blatantly illegal ones, then those emails to and from Joe Biden would be on here. If they aren't, it is exculpatory. And if this information has been expurgated, you're being played for a fool by frauds.

The relentless lying and abuse of reason and sheer petty malice of Trump supporters is staggering.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Nov 3 2020 2:46 utc | 85

james @79:

if the steele dossier was such a nothing burger, why did it eat up at least the first 3 years of the trump admin??
The same reason that Russia-Russia-Russia ate up the same amount of time. It happened because stupid people are bedazzled by the story that Steele and Russia were involved in meddling and influencing the 2016 election. Neither Russia or Steele had anything to do with trump winning (or Hillary losing) in 2016. Neither Steele or Russia influenced a single voter but try to explain that to stupid people and you get nowhere.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 3 2020 3:17 utc | 86

steven t johnson @85

The relentless lying and abuse of reason and sheer petty malice of Trump supporters is staggering.

That may be correct for many of them, but you should say the same thing about many of the anti-trumpers also.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 3 2020 3:21 utc | 87

karlof #75
European governments have been caught off-guard. There is absolute confusion as governments try to square keeping the economy alive
It has been US policy to weaken Europe. So it's happening - so what? Why should we care?
Let's face it, anything that further weakens Europe (it was going downhill before the pandemic) is of no interest to us. Perhaps to Crooke, but not to us.
Bad news there is not bad news here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 3 2020 3:22 utc | 88

@ steven t johnson 85
You're kindof harsh with your finger pointing. Most people who post here seem to be putting some effort into trying to make sense out of an ongoing disaster as our empire collapses around us. I wrote in Gabbard. I'm most angry at the Dems though as they betrayed us and so far have succeeded in keeping the left split. They must be destroyed. So I'm focused on Biden and his mafia-type family. I think this scandal has legs, maybe I'm wrong. Bottom line though, we need to organize like Bolivia: talk to neighbors, put our lives on the line, risk our welfare. They are better than me but I haven't given up yet.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 3 2020 3:23 utc | 89

@ jinn | Nov 3 2020 3:17 utc | 86... we appear to be talking past each other and not listening to each other jinn... i have never said russia or (via the steele dossier) had anything to do with trump winning.. that is what the msm has been saying...i agree with you - trying to tell stupid people that will get you nowhere... at the same time i am saying i think some within the fbi-cia have created this bullshite as a distraction and are playing a side in this for political purposes... now, maybe you don't agree with this or see it differently.. but to suggest i said the russia or steele dossier bullshit had an impact on people voting last time - is truly nonsense.. either you misread my comments, or i am at a loss for what you were reading into what i said.. you can't put words in someones mouth that weren't there to begin with..

Posted by: james | Nov 3 2020 3:29 utc | 90

It was Steven McIntyre who opened my eyes for Climate gate in 2010:

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 3 2020 3:45 utc | 91

Richard Steven Hack @Nov3 2:36 #84

*One* other plausible theory is all that's needed to render your theory just that: a theory.

Except that it's essentially the same theory.

I made a prediction BASED ON a theory. What b presents is another prediction which is essentially based on the SAME THEORY: the existence of the Deep State and their willingness to exert their power to achieve their goals.

Kamala-Hillary would be different means to the same ends.

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So convenient that Trump didn't prosecute Hillary as his "Lock Her Up" supporters had wanted. His first broken campaign promise. He said that the Clintons "have been through enough." The 'law and order' President. LOL.

Just another historical fact that for "theories" that can never be proven.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 3 2020 4:11 utc | 92

Don Bacon @88--

If you, the Outlaw US Empire, need Europeans to be your battering ram against Russia and China, then those nations need to be healthy if you want to succeed. But all suffer from the same set of Parasites, with the EU having perhaps a better chance at saving the host. Can't kill those you want to use to kill others.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2020 4:33 utc | 93

I count Hunter's laptop as one of a series of October surprises:

  • Trump's nomination for Nobel Peace Prize;

  • Trump beats Covid-19;

  • Pelosi refuses Stimulus deal that would put $1,200 in the hands of individual Americans (Trump looks generous in comparison);

  • Hunter's laptop and social media censorship of reporting about it.

Many of these were easy to arrange: USA has great influence on Gulf State monarchies; Trump may not have even had Covid-19; etc.

Are we meant to think the release of the laptop contents was a Republican dirty trick? So Hillary is not suspected of orchestrating her return?

But this series of 'surprises' have really fired up Trump supporters. They will be incredibly upset at a Democratic win.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 3 2020 4:34 utc | 94

I am about to vote for Donald John Trump! Why? Because of Circe. Why would anybody mindlessly tout the evil, Satanic 'democrat party' on almost every thread? Why? Why? Why? The 'democrat party' is a criminal gang of bleeding fascists for crying out loud. What the hell is going on here? It's totally depraved!

Therefor, I will gladly cast my meaningless 'vote' for Donald John Trump! There is no alternative!

Posted by: blues | Nov 3 2020 4:46 utc | 95

@blues: Haha..

Hunter Biden is compromised and most likely guilty of criminal conduct.
The Big Guy? Maybe, we'll see more to come I hope. Mind you, I'm not in this race for any candidate but simply want the Elites to be unmasked for what they are..

Posted by: Lozion | Nov 3 2020 5:09 utc | 96

blues@96 Oh blues, you've now incurred the wrath of the Wicked Witch if MoA. Lord have pity on your soul.

Posted by: Shadow | Nov 3 2020 5:25 utc | 97

karlof1 @ 61 --"Does it really matter which.... POTUS?"
karlof1 @ 71 --"Until legislation...."

It does not matter any more.
Life for Main Street USA is swirling down, down, down.
Not for the 1%, but for the deplorables, the "rude people."
Been that way since at least 1971, at least 49 years.
The US Toilet Bowl Swirling will go on next 49 years.
Legislation on its own will not help.
You need the WILL to serve the people.
Like they do in China.
Like they do in Russia.
Interesting times.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Nov 3 2020 5:33 utc | 98

There is a basic flaw in the premise, that is the acceptance whoever wins the prez gig holds so much real power that he/she needs to be knocked, made comatose or pensioned off, if needed; when everything we know about the contemporary imperial political structure indicates the opposite, that the prez is just a figurehead used to sell worthless policies and distract from the actions which the power clique are actually undertaking.
We all know now that oblamblam's cabinet was selected by Citigroup. There is no reason to believe anything has changed. In fact that is likely to be the main problem elites have with orangeutan, he doesn't do a good job of selling & distracting, his short attention span combined with a superficial understanding of how to mobilise or stymie the DC apparatus means he goes far 'off piste' too often, yet no one has knocked him.

What the blob/borg/mob of arseholes did instead was to develop ways to work around trump to get what they needed in spite of orangeutan - the non withdrawal from Syria & Afghanistan being classic examples. A slice of the pie combined with a well chalked cue to put a little english on Jarod and/or Ivanka before they were encouraged to talk to 'dad' seemed to be doing the trick by mid 2019.

So the traditional rethug owners got a lot of what they wanted without too much strife eventually.

The same will apply to dopey joe, sure keeping the rapacious biden clan from getting too blatant will be a challenge but not an insurmountable one.
Maybe if dopey joe's scandals became too much they would knock him but that is doubtful. There is too much collective corruption throughout the DC grottiness to believe the rethugs are gonna raise the nuclear option, cos for every time biden sold out the citizens, the dem machine's whatchamacallit 'oppo research' will have plenty on Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy, not to mention every rethug contender for prez 2024.
If biden has truly lost the plot the dems will conceal that for as long as possible - anything else, especially knocking off a sitting prez just has too much downside.
Who's gonna faithfully execute borg instructions if they are also calculating ways to gather insurance against the same happening to them?

If biden does have to retire before the end of his term, no party is going to believe that going fromthe first female prez (unelected) can be converted into having a prez/veep candidate team of two women to be electorally successful - especially when one of the candidates is hil the shill clinton, a slug who is likely to be having her own senior moments.

Whatever, I'm sure some will keep running through entire permutations, I notice the bunny is trying to cover his arse by 'conceding' maybe the borg could go with biden if it means h clinton, the much disliked wannabe who cost dem 'donors' billions, ends up prez. You gotta be kidding!

The shill as a cut-out, placed in cabinet to inform back to the dem elites is only just credible, even then I suspect the most clintons will cop is a finders fee.
The donors can see the shill is a highly disliked by the public, lost cause.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 3 2020 6:13 utc | 99

It sure seems like Harris wants to be president and wield the power of the presidency while reveling in the role of first woman president even though she wouldn't have been elected.

So I can't imagine why she would want Killary within a thousand miles of the White House.

Posted by: Russ | Nov 3 2020 6:26 utc | 100

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