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November 08, 2020

The MoA Election Week In Review

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> Public PBS and NPR provided extensive coverage to presidential candidates in their newscasts with President Trump receiving 48 per cent of all politics-related news coverage on both channels, largely critical. Former Vice President Biden and his campaign received 18 per cent of such coverage on PBS and 20 per cent on NPR, most of which was neutral. On the three national TV networks (ABC, CBS, and NBC) President Trump received 63, 56 and 60 per cent of prime time politics-related news coverage, respectively, most of which was critical, while former Vice President Biden received 20, 25 and 22 per cent, respectively, mainly in a neutral tone. The cable networks were mostly relying on reporting opinions at the expense of balanced coverage. MSNBC, and, albeit to a lesser degree, CNN, portrayed the incumbent President very negatively, and Fox News showed open bias with demeaning vocabulary against former Vice President Biden in some of its evening shows. <

> Though the maths and maps suggests Biden will likely reach 270 Electoral votes, the old saying ‘It ain’t over ’till it’s over’, holds true. The electoral vote scenarios in the key ‘swing states’ would only apply if there is no litigation, fraud or theft.  However all three are in play – If you are stuffing the ballot box, you first wait to see what the regular vote is, so that you know how many votes you ‘need’ (mathematical anomalies aside) to push your candidate over the top.  Trump, somewhat rashly, gave out the GOP vote calculations at 02.30 on Wednesday, and hey-presto, loads of absentee ballots suddenly arrived at certain polling stations at around 04.00.  That seems to have happened in Wisconsin, where over 100,000 Biden votes appeared seemingly out of nowhere on a flash drive delivered by hand from a Democratic district. That put Biden ahead in Wisconsin – but litigation is in process. Likewise, it appears that a huge “absentee ballot” dump appeared in Michigan that heavily favored Biden.

This is just the beginning of a new and more uncertain phase that could go on for weeks. <

> In sum, if the results we have hold, Joe Biden will win the election and preside over a divided Congress. A chastened and anxious Democratic caucus will continue to hold the House. A triumphant Senate Republican caucus will obviously destroy his major legislative agenda. Biden will assuredly turn to policy by executive action, just as Barack Obama did late in his legislatively stymied administration. When he does, Republicans will do all they can to send those actions to a 6–3 conservative Supreme Court Biden will be unable to pack or meaningfully reform. In defeating Trump, Democrats will have avoided their worst-case scenario. Instead, they will have won the worst possible Biden victory, a political situation that will be a nightmare all its own. <
> There is nothing done by the Trump administration that can be rationally characterized as a radical aberration, some dramatic break, from U.S. tradition. Quite the contrary: none of Trump’s actions and policies are in some new universe of savagery, lawlessness, or radicalism when compared to those who preceded him in power. <

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Joseph Dana @ibnezra - 10:06 UTC · Nov 8, 2020
Biden’s acceptance speech in front of a Chase logo pretty much says everything you need to know about the next four years. #USElectionResults2020

Please use the Open Thread 2020-88 for non-election issues.

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Grieved @ 280

Thanks! You're correct it is a rich field. I suppose we best try to understand them as they'll be in charge for a long time.

Posted by: EoinW | Nov 10 2020 12:06 utc | 301

I swear to God if Trump manages to turn this thing around I will truly believe in 4D chess.

Somehow I am believing again.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 10 2020 12:13 utc | 302

Funny pro-Trump commenters here complaining about Twitter, when it's because of Twitter that Trump exists.

It's because of Twitter that Trump got where he is.

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2020 12:14 utc | 303

@ vk

Nah, without Twitter, there would be other platforms.

The world isn't running out of social media, it needs less of THAT of course.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 10 2020 12:17 utc | 304

@vk | Nov 10 2020 12:14 utc | 304

It's because of Twitter that Trump got where he is.
And now Twitter is censoring him. He should have left Twitter a couple of years ago, there are alternatives like Gab or Parler. In fact, everyone should leave Twitter immediately if you ask me.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 10 2020 12:20 utc | 305

Jimmy Dore skewers and spit-roasts Steve Colbert mercilessly for Colbert's hypocritical outraged reaction

over Trump's (17 min long) Nov 4 briefing, claiming massive election fraud, to reporters assembled in the WH press room, in this new JD YT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhHc1pJ7MBM

This is destined to become a truly classic JD comedy rip.

Posted by: gm | Nov 10 2020 12:26 utc | 306

@ Posted by: Smith | Nov 10 2020 12:17 utc | 305

But he chose Twitter.

What Twitter gives, Twitter can take.

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2020 12:31 utc | 307

My many thanks to those of you who have been kind enough to write in support: uncle tungsten @284; Tannenhouser @264; james @277; Debsisdead... (a most appropriate "name" and has been so for too many decades)

And - yes Jackrabbit @250(I often call bunnies - Wabbits and not as an insult), you are right, all too bloody right regarding the appalling lack of concern that the public/electorate has about what our govt does far from these shores (and south of our border). A complete lack of moral conscience. Mind thee, the UK and European conscience hasn't any greater strength. Hardly.

Reading such as William Blum, Edward S. Herman and David Peterson (deep in their 900 page "Squirts like a Cuttlefish) at the moment), Ilan Pappe, and on and on only deepens the darkness but feels completely necessary. My late husband and I dwelt in several different countries, different cultures over our decades together - doing so really widens one's worldview.

Posted by: Anne | Nov 10 2020 12:31 utc | 308

Debsisdead - by most appropriate name I hope that you realize I meant that Eugene Debs was this nation's last true socialist leader, certainly the last well known one. My political views are, would be, to the left of Debs (my husband used to call me the last Leninist...) but his leftness would be such a refresher, is so needed in this country right now. His version of socialism was as close as this country has genuinely come.

Posted by: Anne | Nov 10 2020 12:35 utc | 309

@ vk

Sure, but that's on Trump.

Trump could have chosen other platforms and I think they will be just as successful, hell even people here turn up to talk about him.

Posted by: Smith | Nov 10 2020 12:39 utc | 310

The true progressives also have a good platform, esp domestically.
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I think that the mark of a Biden presidency is whether he can embrace the progressive side of his party probably best represented by AOC. Biden is an 'establishment' dem like the Cintons, Obama , Pelosi etc who are status quo types. It's AOC who wants Medicare for All, $15 minimum wage etc. I think if he does this it will be the best defense against a Republican candidate in 4 years.

""The congresswoman said Joe Biden’s relationship with progressives would hinge on his actions.

For months, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been a good soldier for the Democratic Party and Joseph R. Biden Jr. as he sought to defeat President Trump.

But on Saturday, in a nearly hour long interview shortly after President-elect Biden was declared the winner, Ms. Ocasio-Cortez made clear the divisions within the party that animated the primary still exist.

Well, I think the central one is that we aren’t in a free fall to hell anymore. But whether we’re going to pick ourselves up or not is the lingering question. We paused this precipitous descent. And the question is if and how we will build ourselves back up.

But we also learned that progressive policies do not hurt candidates. Every single candidate that co-sponsored Medicare for All in a swing district kept their seat. We also know that co-sponsoring the Green New Deal was not a sinker. Mike Levin was an original co-sponsor of the legislation, and he kept his seat.""

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/aoc-biden-progressives.html?smid=tw-share

Importantly, AOC is also a Stephanie Kelton fan which makes her anti-austerity.

https://stephaniekelton.com/book/

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 8 2020 14:01 utc | 339

Posted by: financial matters | Nov 10 2020 12:45 utc | 311

@Norwegian | Nov 10 2020 11:06 utc | 295
Election fraud.

Posted by: Xpilgrim | Nov 10 2020 12:51 utc | 312


Posted by: willie | Nov 10 2020 11:44 utc | 296

Has anybody considered the crazy possibility of an idea that Biden's mental problems are fake?Like they gave him drugs that provoke this kind of oblivion and make him look stupid in the eyes of many,whilst officially denying that fact plain to see for whoever listens to his speeches and interviews?So by putting a stop on those drugs he is "back to normal" again,
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yes I have noticed a change in Biden pre- and post-election, but I haven't seen enough to draw any conclusions.

It looks to me that Biden after the election is trying too hard. He seems to be forcing himself to speak loud and with authority while before the election he was more listless and quiet.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 10 2020 13:48 utc | 313

Lambert Strether on NC offers some concepts about what is going on:

“What It Took”: The Price of Democrat Victory in 2020

Saker frames it different, but arrives at the same prospect for the future:

The Deep State vs the Deep Country

This coincides some with Crooke's view, and mine. Lambert seems closest to my understanding of what is going on domestically, particularly that part about PMC "class consciousness", that's bad news, if true.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 10 2020 14:13 utc | 314

@ Posted by: Smith | Nov 10 2020 12:39 utc | 310

I don't think so. Americans basically only use Twitter and Facebook.

Trump made the correct decision on his platform.

Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2020 14:14 utc | 315

uncle tungsten | Nov 10 2020 4:33 utc | 279

Thank you for the compliment for "cannula".

And for the idea that the "Biden" regime might go along without any overarching violence, such as a "regrettable military accident" (as China politely describes the destruction of an Imperial Battle Fleet)... I don't know if the Country will hold still and consent to that. And, well, I wonder if the people ought to hold still - not that it matters what anybody "ought" to do.

I think the Marxist concept of hysteresis might be spoken of as "latency" - I am not sure about that - withal, however, if a major Imperial military action is taken based on the false, but previously valid assumptions regarding US military superiority, and if the target prevails (which is a real possibility), it's easy to see how both the foreign and domestic arenas could nearly instantly become highly chaotic. I think the "Biden" gang is gripped by hysteresis, delusions, if you will. As David Collum (Cornell, chemistry) puts it, the moment is highly metastatic.

I hope for stability. They say hope dies last.

Best to all.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 10 2020 14:24 utc | 316

A group of Republican state attorneys general on Monday called on the Supreme Court to consider a case challenging a lower court ruling extending the mail-in ballot deadline in Pennsylvania.

Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt, joined by nine other state attorneys general, said the justices should block a Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision allowing mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day, but delivered through last Friday, to be counted.

"The Pennsylvania Supreme Court's decision overstepped its constitutional authority and encroached on the authority granted to the Pennsylvania legislature," Schmitt argued in the filing.


Republican state attorneys general backing Trump election challenge

Posted by: Down South | Nov 10 2020 14:30 utc | 317

willie @Nov10 11:44 #296, jinn @Nov10 13:48 #313

Has anybody considered the crazy possibility of an idea that Biden's mental problems are fake?

In 2016 we were told that Hillary had mental problems also. There was a big stir about that for about 6-weeks.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 15:52 utc | 318

Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 15:52 utc | 319 Biden fake nutszo

If it were faked how would it change anything? More seriously it's fairly clear that the gangs, Buydon, Hillary, Airless, are under great stress and thus liable to transient trees disorders - which if the textbook theory remains canonical, are indistinguishable ad hoc from genuine insanity. And it's also fairly well agreed from observation that after 70 most people seem to and actually are a little "crazy" - part of that is natural and wise, but also the memory declines.

I'll stick with the simple story - he's a victim of elder abuse with his wife a major actor in the crime. But jack may be right...like Stalin said, "poison" - maybe so.

Nothing these people do is limited by moral constraint.

They say Airless drinks a lot - a manifestation of stress they say ("Give strong wine to the heavy hearted..."). The insane laughter is, they say, a tell she shows immediately prior to uttering lies. I am better inclined to say that Airless is the one who's doped up.

She reminds me of Lady MacBeth. Joe reminds me of the body, a prop in a set scene.

I think the idea of Joe's senility being faked is not very probable.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 10 2020 16:12 utc | 319

The most immediate impact of this election
is going to be that the Democrats voted for Socialism

and they are just about to get told that, actually, the party bigwigs are not all that keen on Socialism.

a lot of people (mainly Democrats) are going to be very disappointed.

Posted by: chris m | Nov 10 2020 16:24 utc | 320

Walter @Nov10 16:12 #320

=
But jack may be right...like Stalin said, "poison" - maybe so.

I've never said anything about "poison". Might've been someone else.

=
... victim of elder abuse with his wife a major actor in the crime.

LOL. I see this as very likely.

We've seen a lot of paranoia about Jill running Joe and a Kamala Presidency.

=
... Joe's senility being faked is not very probable.

"Senility?" That's an exaggeration of his mild, intermittent difficulties.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 16:54 utc | 321

Thanks here for just a quick read this morning -- will be back as the terminator says, or rather(perhaps) MacArthur. Yes, I know Prof. Hudson's views on student loan debt, thanks -- should have been more specific. I was looking at the Schumer suggestion on NC, where Prof Hudson does sometimes comment - hoping he would comment specifically on the cancellation of the debt suggested by Schumer (about face for him, surely) Most comments at NC were negative TINA sorts but some supportive.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 10 2020 16:55 utc | 322

@Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 16:54 utc | 322

"Senility?" That's an exaggeration of his mild, intermittent difficulties.

He should ask his doctor if Trunalimunumaprzure is right for him

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 10 2020 17:08 utc | 323

One of the important outcomes of the election is the election and all of its parts--the whole shebang. From editorials calling--again--for the retirement of the Electoral College to the basic component of democracy which is the right to vote AND to have your vote counted. IMO, one of the duties of citizenship is participation in what's supposed to be a self-governing polity and that duty at its most basic is voting--To enjoy the benefits of citizenship one must earn them via that basic participation. Ignorance and Apathy of the untaught duties of Citizenship and resulting Civic Illiteracy play a huge role in the currently disgusting state of the USA's political-economy: We The People LET the 1% abuse us. Only now are we seeing the disgust and unrest that ought to have arisen back in the 1990s when the Duopoly conspired to ensure no third party would ever be allowed to challenge their position, thus making any people-first change impossible. What needs to be pointed out to both Reds and Blues is that the system and its overlords are rotten to the core and that system must be rebuilt if any attempt at MAGA is going to succeed. And only by combining forces will We The People get what we need.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 17:32 utc | 324

Ramin Mazaheri just published a wonderful analysis at the Saker, in which he notes that Trump can have a second term if he makes that choice, and that at this pivotal historic moment, the question to be answered is, how deep is Trump's Trumpism:

A 2nd term is his if he really wants it, but how deep is Trump’s ‘Trumpism’?

Democrats want to pin all the blame for the current election mistrust on Trump, but such a view acts as if the world began in 2016.

This is an election system which could not stand serious scrutiny, and now it is cracking at the end of this year of unprecedented pressures.

Half the country is begging Trump: stress it further.

Mazaheri makes the point that Donald Trump can walk away and be written up by history as largely a buffoon, or he can turn and challenge the establishment state that has trashed him for four years, and actually take on the Swamp - an unlooked-for eventuality. The weapons have been placed into his hands.

Bated breath, as we see that the entertainment may yet return...

Posted by: Grieved | Nov 10 2020 17:47 utc | 325

Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 16:54 utc | 321

(But jack may be right...like Stalin said, "poison" - maybe so. /
I've never said anything about "poison". Might've been someone else.)

Of course it was not a quotation Jack. It was an answer - several ways to fake or create a vacuous mind, "poisons"... Glad you liked "elder abuse".

BTW this "crime" is pretty easy to "commit" in the eyes of some prosecutors. I do not approve of special status for cops or "elders" or pols...either we are equal or it's a racket.

Others may think "Mr 10%" is not senile. Seems to me that his poor judgement in choosing doped-up criminals for colleagues alone is sufficient argument, but he's so obviously senile that it's hardly worth considering.

Withal, whatever his limitations, he'll inevitably show us, unless he gets to Dallas or has altimeter problems... .

Posted by: Walter | Nov 10 2020 18:03 utc | 326

Surely karlof1 @324 you know full well that the Red and Blue Faces of the Janus party are completely aware of the rotten nature of this so-called democratic system and have been for some time, several generations. Equally you know that they benefit nicely from things "working" as they do. Neither face is going to change owt because it works for them and for their butties (deliberate choice of spelling - West Midland miners late 18th - early 19th Cs) in the top 1-10%. Gotta keep them happy. Moreover, some - many ? - in Congress are themselves in that 10%...

Posted by: Anne | Nov 10 2020 18:09 utc | 327

Things are heating-up:

https://twitter.com/MilionMagaMarch

Colour revolution or self-defense?

Posted by: DFC | Nov 10 2020 18:33 utc | 328

@Posted by: vk | Nov 10 2020 12:31 utc | 307

But he chose Twitter.

And now he is on Gab
https://gab.com/realdonaldtrump

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 10 2020 18:39 utc | 329

Anne @327--

Thanks for your reply. It's not party bigwigs or their corrupt supporters that needed to be shown how bad the system is. Rather, it's the Hoi Polloi that's been maneuvered into head-butting positions against themselves instead of doing what must be done to fix the system, which IMO needs to be declared a total wreck and rebuilt. And most importantly, rebuilt by people from their own ranks, not on the failures of the past 50+ years. What needs to start happening is for Blues and Reds to cease talking past each other and start talking to each other--to dialog so they can find common ground and begin building some trust. It's not a matter of which Neoliberal Puppet; it's a matter of them being Puppets to begin with. Trump got all his support because he was perceived to be independent--no strings attached--despite the reality of his being all for Neoliberalism and its goals, which includes the Outlaw US Empire's goals. And the fundamental reality is Biden/Harris are no different. The key difference is that of personality, Trump being a Populist, which is THE trait the Establishment abhors more than all others and why they went against him but still needed to rig the election to ensure his ouster.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 19:01 utc | 330

The People can only succeed if they unite...freaks and all. The liberal populists are there. When will the conservative populists drop their defense of the faux (patriotism, capitalism, religion, etc) and join the liberal populists?

Posted by: davenitup | Nov 10 2020 19:01 utc | 331

Progessivism vs Liberalism

"What Giraldi blames on “progressivism” is instead actually “liberalism” (which accepts being ruled by its billionaires) but there are more ways than only this that Giraldi misunderstands the difference between these two ideologies."

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/11/06/progressivism-versus-liberalism/

Posted by: davenitup | Nov 10 2020 19:18 utc | 332

karlof1@330

All so terribly true...I would only quibble about the Blues and Reds talking to/with each other and that (perhaps, maybe, possibly) making any changes, given that I consider them to be exactly the same other than for a few, superficial (facial?) differences. A question, I suppose, of just how far to the right they - separately - are. Truly the situation needs a real revolution - from the ground up not among/between the ruling elites (as back in the late 18thC). But how likely? That so many of the younger electorate have been taken in by the skin hue and sex of the Veep to be while ignoring completely her really existing record as DA and its effects on poorer peoples of color is, to my thinking utterly mind-boggling.

Posted by: Anne | Nov 10 2020 19:34 utc | 333

Grieved | Nov 10 2020 17:47 utc | 325

Following on from Grieved's comment about stressing the swamp.
A couple of odd statements and firings might make sense. Whether these are just vindictive or a reaction to having been screwed by the swamp is still not clear

Firing Esper. This is the guy that "turned round" Trumps' bid to get out of Afghanistan.
Pentagon's top policy official James Anderson. To be followed by other top bods from the Pentagon.
Did these people "walk-back" Trumps initiatives in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria et al? The Pentagon has been following it's own path for some time.

Brennan is terribly, terribly worried that Trump might declassify secrets "putting state security in danger". His own security is what he is talking about. Declassifying papers about the CIA, Pizzagate and FBI etc. could easily stir up a max of trouble for the swamp. The swamp being the originators and neocons behind the "Russiagate" and subsequent attempt at regime change. Gina Haspel (CIA) is supposed to be the next major official to get waliking orders.

Having been abandoned by Murdoch, and set up by what is probably CIA "help" in "vote-forming" to favour Biden, he has not got much to loose and everything to gain by going public.

Well worth keeping an eye out for developments.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 10 2020 19:59 utc | 334

Anne @333--

I've never opined that the needed change will come easy since the US populace is the most indoctrinated polity on the planet in terms of what it's been taught as its history and current reality. Few know the story of how a bunch of farmers and ranchers in Texas formed the core of what would become The People's Party that came so very close to winning the presidency--if women had the vote universally in 1896 they would've won--on top of all those it put into Congress and statehouses. Instead, that most important history is obfuscated by the Gold Bugs-Free Silver issue that formed the core of Bryan's famous Cross of Gold speech. The result is the vast majority of US citizens don't know that if they get together they can alter the overall situation dramatically in their favor because it was done before--twice actually, the second occurring during the Depression.

The message now: The system's obviously broken beyond repair and WE MUST come together to fix it as divided WE won't be able to overcome Establishment resistance, for the broken system works just fine for them and not at all for US.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 20:09 utc | 335

Correction @Nov10 16:54 #321

LOL. I see this as very unlikely.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 20:48 utc | 336

: karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 20:09 utc | 335

I hope your guarded optimism is valid. For myself I sadly expect that Americans, whatever that is going to mean, or means today, expect that we shall have to stand among the ruins and rubble with nothing left before we will have any hope of building a just and decent State. When I see the patterns of change I think of the DDR anthem... youtu[dot]be/nSXRDeuZIqU and, if I have enjoyed an evening "pain-expeller" (https://youtu[dot]be/YunMI5eNLnY ) I think of the fellas I have known who lived in the "eastern block", and their stories. They lived better than my US neighbors do now.

The freak show inclines me to grim cynicism.

Interestingly, the German Commies have done some self-examination. see especially episode 4 kommunistische[dot] org/interview/ddr-film/

Victor Grossman also opines thoughtfully about the vulnerabilities of that time, and what went wrong. see My Life In East Germany & The Struggle Today With Victor Grossman (yt) (Vic speaks of "red diaper" baby. Less ardent parents in my case, but the diapers were at least "pink" )

Your optimism is nice to see, but even there we read "broken beyond repair..."

Perhaps we'll survive to see what's to become of us all, but a full collapse seems to be the only path to a genuine lawful and decent State. I do not expect that the present nominally unified State to remain "unified" much longer.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 10 2020 20:53 utc | 337

karlof1 @Nov10 19:01 #330

The key difference is that of personality, Trump being a Populist, which is ... and why they went against him ...

I disagree.

Trump has proven to be a faux populist - just as Obama was.

He's done everything that the establishment/Deep State would've wanted him to: tax cuts; increased military spending; total support for Israel; etc.

However, Trump is more of a demagogue than Obama or Sanders.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 21:06 utc | 338

karlof1 #324

Election problems and mail in vote sorting are problematic according to Whitney Webb at unlimited hangout.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Nov 10 2020 21:23 utc | 339

However, Trump is more of a demagogue than Obama or Sanders.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 10 2020 21:06 utc | 338

Unfortunately, that's what appeals to too many conservative populists and frustrates liberal populists.

I'm libertarian leaning and voted for Ron Paul. I would take any third party at this point...even better if it comes with integrity and transparency (too many faux libertarians lead with the freedom part and forget things like integrity, transparency, dignity, stewardship, etc).

Posted by: davenitup | Nov 10 2020 21:24 utc | 340

Rabbit @338--

Some of us were perceptive enough to see that both were of the "faux populist" variety, but the great mass of the electorate didn't; so, in that most important regards, they were Populists.

Walter @337--

Thanks for your reply and the observations you've made on the electoral debacle. You may have read some of my recent descriptions of our nation's woeful condition--its entire structure ridden with corruption's dryrot and infested with insects such that the entire edifice needs to be condemned, razed, and a whole new structure built by the Hoi Polloi this time, not the elites so it will last. Knowing what armed revolt will bring, I've advocated for exhausting all political methods prior to willfully entering that terrible trial. This article tells me there's been some fresh thinking:

"If the government were to impose a national lockdown, the country should help fight the 'pain and suffering economically' that comes from people being unable to work and businesses being forced to shut down by allowing the borrowing of 'money from ourselves' to 'pay people to lose their jobs,' he said. 'That would be a very different kind of lockdown, where people wouldn’t suffer.'" [Emphasis Original]

But the likelihood of that all happening is far from being a done deal, although it's the sort of action many of us have promoted since March and continue promoting. IMO, The People need to understand the conversation they must have isn't about Trump or Biden, but about the forces behind both and the need for us to break free from their control, which ultimately means the need to raze the edifice and rebuild the nation. You, I and others have the force of our wisdom to offer and really have nothing to lose, and we are more in numbers than we believe. How big was Lenin's cadre? He capitalized on the anarchy generated by an empire falling apart. Yes, our situation differs as all revolts are unique in their circumstances yet similar in their fundamental attributes. Somehow, The People need to understand that Divide and Rule cannot be allowed to Divide and Rule anymore, and that they are the only force that can make that happen.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 21:55 utc | 341

davenitup @340--

Ever consider what being a Libertarian Collectivist might entail? That's the political term I gave to myself.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 21:58 utc | 342

re Anne # 309 who said "I hope that you realize I meant that Eugene Debs was this nation's last true socialist leader" Thanks yes of course, I still remember the pleasure as a kid of discovering & reading the biography of Gene Debs when I came across it at the local public library in Aotearoa. Up until that point I hadn't considered that socialism had ever been popular in amerika, so when I began contributing at the whiskey bar, a primarily amerikan-centric blog Debsisdead felt like an appropriate nym to use.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 10 2020 22:14 utc | 343

karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 21:55 utc | 341

Yes, and I have been reading your VK posts. I think you're wonderfully optimistic.

The only difference, material difference, between our views seems to me to lie in agency.

I suppose that the ruling class(s), prior to revolution and reconstruction, must (delusionally or somehow, sometimes intentionally) create the circumstance favorable to or even assuring their own incompetent ruin and defeat. (Something akin to Berlin in May of '45. Mr Hitler and Mr Churchill together with Stalin and FDR created the circumstances for the DDR, not that they wanted precisely the DDR....)

You seem to hold that the people can hurry that along. Yeah, I agree. They may do, can. They might.

The History we both know seems to me to suggest that the actual process lies somewherez in between these two alternative methods or processes.

I would also add that I "supported" Trumpie (with 1 vote that was not counted) because I thought, and also continue to think or judge, that through Trumpie's perz-den-cy we shall discover the most rapid pathway to the conditions, circumstances, favorable to the construction of a decent lawful State. I think of Trumpie as a loose cannon, wrecking the ship. I expect it must break into "pieces" gau, regions, or worse.

It seems to me that my expectations are being realized before our eyes, as "consent" is no longer available to power in the "US", save by violence. A sure indicator of trouble ahead...

And the abyss awaits. When all is swept away...

Posted by: Walter | Nov 10 2020 22:32 utc | 344

American style of "Media Fascism"/Neoliberal Imerialism is minding boggling: The List

PS. These MSM warriors just challenged the spokesperson of China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs why China (Xi) did not congratulate Biden's victory. The spokesperson replied China "follows international tradition", aka waiting for the official election result not the media verdict.

Posted by: lulu | Nov 10 2020 22:32 utc | 345

Well, it seems that what Trump supporters claim about a coup is the other way around...

It seems that apart from Esper, Trump is refurbishing completely the DoD, filling in the vacants with extremists islamophobes and racists previously vetted by Senate...A certain Tata is going to replace Anderson...

https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1326255380704464897

It all points at that neither Esper nor Anderson did want to participate in any military algarada...

Also, Biden is not receiving intelligence briefing as the transition period would obligue..

https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1326295311829114883

Well it seems that the differences go beyond the supporters in the streets, what points at a coup more than anything else...49 from 53 Republican Seantors have not congratulated Biden...

https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1326289264267702272

Texas Big Oil money is out for reward for anybody who can bring in proof of voting fraud

https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1326298336002007041

Thus, it is not "The Deplorables" who are claiming for a Donald to return, but a well organized well financed and powerful part of the US elites. This is a fight of the elites in which the masses have no dog, clearly.
Anyone with a bit of respect for the people ( not Alex Jones of course...) would stop calling for the involvement of innocent people as cannon foder in the streets for the turmoil to come.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 0:03 utc | 346

China and Russia are being the most cautious in refraining from congratulating anybody, probably having an idea of what is coming...

As most of the Western world have congratulated Biden, NATO and EU included, what will happen if Trump gets his own and this time fills his staff with full nazis?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 0:10 utc | 347

Who´s plot is this?

The Pennsylvania postal service worker who claimed to have heard his boss talk about tampering with ballot papers has admitted he made it all up...

https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1326312320163848193

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 0:13 utc | 348

Walter @344--

If you only knew just how pessimistic I am. I refuse to be an Eeyore. That's what propelled me as I cared for my mom through her Alzheimer's until what might be considered a merciful end--watching the evaporation of a person's being and their very slow death was exceedingly painful yet hardening. I was fantastically fortunate to find a partner to join me in that care, and she's now the Missus. Miracle? No. Perseverance? Yes!

As with mom, as with the nation. I see the malignancy, corruption, immorality, and gross criminality, along with the ignorance, illiterate citizenship, indoctrination, and a host of other ills that plague our communities and society; yet, I also know there's a cure, whereas for mom there was none. So, I use the tools I have--wits, intellect, writing ability, knowledge--to try and figure out the formula that can make that cure possible. I write about China because IMO it's the new standard when all the bullshit's removed, its system examined and accomplishments documented. IMO, China isn't to be feared or fought but emulated because they are all trying to better themselves while not doing so at the expense of others--and that's Historical, IMO. I have my own children and grandchildren's destiny in mind in all this, and everyone elses: even those of the 1%, for they aren't guilty of their parent's immorality/criminality. Lenin fucked us all over when he validated the elite's fears which had continuously festered since 1789. The reason commonfolk don't fear the actions of Cromwell and his Class is they're never taught about his double-dealing, literal backstabbing and complete genocide aimed at anyone professing the idea of Leveling, which was his era's term for Communism.

Why are Liberty, Equality, Fraternity rolled together deemed radical? Why is equality of outcomes deemed radical? Why is simple equal opportunity deemed radical? Why isn't Feudalism, Plutarchy, and any system designed to generate inequality deemed Immoral and radical? Why is the language of the books of the Bible manipulated to mute its message of social justice and equality? Why was the story of a Jewish Rabbi grossly distorted into something unreal and not rendered honestly? Why is the USA modeled on Rome when what Rome was isn't honestly taught whatsoever? If the people of the USA are unwilling to accept the Truth of their existence so they can help themselves, should they be abandoned as being beyond hope? And what if only a relative few do?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 11 2020 0:35 utc | 349

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 0:03 utc | 346

Texas Big Oil money is out for reward for anybody who can bring in proof of voting fraud

Thus, it is not "The Deplorables" who are claiming for a Donald to return, but a well organized well financed and powerful part of the US elites.
_____________________________________________
Well if the fix is in the Donald will return no matter what. Big Oil wants to make it look to the public like they were on the right side as do the repub senators.

If trump wins it won't be an accident. It will be, once again a theatrical performance, with script and a plot, that the donald once again is the victim of a coup d'etat attempt, but miraculously the donald once again survives. If you are getting the feeling you have seen this before it is because you have.

Posted by: jinn | Nov 11 2020 0:36 utc | 350

It ain't over till the fat lady sings. Well, we sure have a lot of them here, but most can't sing. I'd say with our obesity rate, we've become a Banana Split Republic. I don't see any way to fix this mess.

Posted by: Shadow | Nov 11 2020 1:15 utc | 351

re Anne # 309 who said "I hope that you realize I meant that Eugene Debs was this nation's last true socialist leader" Thanks yes of course, I still remember the pleasure as a kid of discovering & reading the biography of Gene Debs when I came across it at the local public library in Aotearoa. Up until that point I hadn't considered that socialism had ever been popular in amerika, so when I began contributing at the whiskey bar, a primarily amerikan-centric blog Debsisdead felt like an appropriate nym to use.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 10 2020 22:14 utc | 343

Why the is dead part?

Posted by: tucenz | Nov 11 2020 1:16 utc | 352

re tucenz #352 who asked "Why the is dead part?"
I would have thought that was self-evident. Gene Debs died in 1926 from cardiovascular problems that developed during his time in prison for the crime of espousing pacifism, no country club slots for pinkos. Organised socialism in amerika has died as well.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 11 2020 1:51 utc | 353

Maybe some previous post addresses this item.

Not having read all of them I venture to talk about a news item on Yahoo News whereas a
substantial amount of ballots would have been found in Puerto Rico.

Well, Puerto Ricans while in Puerto Rico, DO NOT VOTE in US Presidential elections. If they happen to have a US address they can vote at that address in the US if they are registered voters.

If they happen to be mainland born Americans (the real bloodied ones), then they might be able to vote through the US Mail services if they are mainland registered voters.

So the presence of ballots on the Island as evidence of fraud is just preposterous gesticulation of a flailing turtle on its back.

Posted by: Carl.D | Nov 11 2020 1:53 utc | 354

Karlof1 @ 349

Comments of this caliber are why I come here. Thank you.

Andaréapié

Posted by: Andaréapié | Nov 11 2020 2:05 utc | 355

jinn @Nov11 0:36 #350

If trump wins it won't be an accident. It will be, once again a theatrical performance, with script and a plot, that the donald once again is the victim of a coup d'etat attempt, but miraculously the donald once again survives.

Yes.

Unjustly calling Biden "President Elect" and snickering about Trump as delusional just seems rather preposterous after the Democratics previous failed (and fake) attempts to unseat Trump via Russiagate and impeachment.

IMO a Trump come-from-behind victory has been set-up.

All of Trump's #winning has been faked/arranged (by the true, bi-partisan Deep State): beating fake news; beating Covid-19; making peace with "Rocket Man"; making peace between Israel and Arabs; beating corrupt Biden and the anti-Democratic Deep State; etc. We should be asking: to what end?

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 11 2020 3:48 utc | 356

I wasn’t ever “for” Trump getting voted in, in 2016, but now, I hope he somehow finds a way to not lose to that fake old corpse Biden.

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 11 2020 5:14 utc | 357

The tricky and untrustworthy MSM has transformed Trump's 'defeat' into a genuine rub-tickler/ Comedy of Errors. When the count began to swing in BYE-DON's favour, they eagerly jumped the gun and declared a Dem Victory before the official count had been completed. When Trump screamed "Fraud" the MSM descended into Damage Control mode by accusing him of making "false and unsubstantiated claims" and that precise meme was in ALL of the Western MSM Fake News.

Then the MSM foolishly accused Trump of "refusing to graciously accept defeat and congratulate President BYE-DON on his victory." Unfortunately, they conveniently 'forgot' that Trump is merely following the path hewn by the Dems when Killary "refused to graciously accept defeat" in 2016.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 11 2020 5:44 utc | 358

@H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 0:13 utc | 348

The Pennsylvania postal service worker who claimed to have heard his boss talk about tampering with ballot papers has admitted he made it all up...

Except, he has done no such thing

USPS Whistleblower Richard Hopkins: “I DID NOT RECANT”

@shawnboburg and @jacobbogage have been played by the same federal agents on the audio ‘coercing,’ ‘scaring’ the whistleblower to water down allegations. As reporters, they are REQUIRED to include Richard’s denial. REQUIRED
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326337154050641920

See this shocking video

RECORDING: Federal agents “coerce” USPS whistleblower Hopkins to water down story. Hopkins doubles down...

Agent Strasser: “I am trying to twist you a little bit”

“I am scaring you here”...” we have Senators involved...DOJ involved...reason they called me is to try to harness.”
https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326323334800437248


Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 11 2020 5:44 utc | 359

Debsisdead | Nov 10 2020 22:14 utc | 343

as I recall you used Debsin04 until the truly disappointing reelection of the shrub.

and I have to agree with your revised and current nick, the country has moved so far right that even Nixon would be called a socialist today.

Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 11 2020 6:57 utc | 360

I second Andaréapié's shout out to karlof for his post at Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 11 2020 0:35 utc | 349

We need more genuine anecdotal stories and wisdom woven into the narrative fabric at MoA comments. I'm so sorry to hear about your mom's Alzheimer's - I've been lucky in that regard so far (knock on oak) but have had a few cases of dementia in the family (rather mild, very late onset) and I dread the thought of it happening to me because I know how frustrating and angering 'brain fog' can be (interestingly enough mine went away when I stopped using fluoride toothpaste (saps precious bodily fluids) and discovered kratom (a member of the coffee family, a type of opioid that doesn't slow the CNS but which must be used carefully)). But I found it easy to put myself in the "angry old man's" shoes when I had episodes of severe brain fog. My wife's grandfather in West Virginia is barely hanging onto his cognitive ownership as I type this.

But I digress - and I do happen to disagree with one of your points. Namely on equality of outcomes. Outcomes should be one of the metrics by which we conduct a root cause analysis such that equality of opportunity is strived for as much as possible. But on its own, it's way too easy to distort and bend to one's partisan/ideological designs.

Otherwise, cheers. Glad to have commenters like you around.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 11 2020 7:26 utc | 361

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 11 2020 5:44 utc | 359

Yeah that's an interesting and developing story. I saw his video from last night and he promised more details 'tomorrow' (today for me). I don't particularly trust James O'Queef and Projectile Vomitas because in fact - much like Russiagate - the only investigative successes they have had are few and virtually all procedural (someone at a very low level of an organization hated by the right humors one of his or his operatives' outlandish and ridiculous on its face suggestions in a secretly taped interview). In the case of ACORN, it was enough for the Republicans in Congress to bend to the will of the far right's long brewing hatred of the organization, but nothing illegal was ever actually done. Also, I believe numerous intended victims called the cops after he or his operatives left. Kind of like an amateur Borat (Sascha Baron Cohen) with a far right political ideology.

But again I digress. Let's all wait and see what he comes out with today (tomorrow for some of you) and talk about it then. Otherwise the loud and frequent allegations from the Trump crowd of voter fraud have amounted to very little if anything of substance, and they are being carried out in the most self-serving and hypocritical/self-contradicting manner possible. Saw something at UNZ today about how Giuliani is a genius lawyer and one of the only, if not the only DA or AG to ever take down significant portions of the mob in NY. But everything I've heard from him over the past few years has been highly partisan nonsense or repetitions of common tropes favored by the American right. Again - we'll have to see how far his numerous lawsuits (some already filed, some yet to be according to the UNZ piece - forget the author, maybe PCR) make it through the often partisan American court system.

P.S. - Not directed at Norwegian necessarily, but what became of RSH? Did he really bow out in a blaze of fury or was he banned? I have to say I agreed with a lot of what he said on objective empirical matters, but he let himself go too far in other areas. I mean, why make threats in a forum like this? I've been accused of being a "Internet tough guy" by some here, Smith I believe, and baselessly so, but RSH did cross a few lines. Anyway, I have been in lurk mode (or just ignoring the whole thing and focusing on family, walking my dog, and American fantasy football) so I am not up to speed on what happened with that or whether we can expect to see him around here anymore. Again, I appreciate his commentary not because he and I agreed on the election stuff, but because he was pretty objective when it came to "news" vs. rumor/innuendo. I just don't know why he started taking the bait and getting so aggravated there at the end.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 11 2020 7:38 utc | 362

Hmm! Don’t see my previous post.

Realclearpolitics has taken Pennsylvania away from Biden.

Biden now down to 259 EV.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 7:53 utc | 363

Posted by: Featherless | Nov 11 2020 5:14 utc | 357

So you hope that Trump and his team of lawyers and operatives can subvert the will of the American people and use procedural tactics and technicalities to overturn the popular and county/state votes in his favor? This is above and beyond what Biden is or what he stands for to me, just as it is above and beyond whatever I happen to think of how well or how bad Trump has governed.

The fact of the matter is that mail-in voting has been sabotaged and attacked via non-stop propaganda and lies by Trump and his supporters ever since they knew that a large number of votes would be cast that way due to COVID. There is a long history of mail-in (absentee) voting and in several states it's the PRIMARY means of voting. Add to that, that only a few of the states caught up in this manufactured controversy actually sent out ballots that weren't actively requested to registered voters and that most of them are solid "blue" anyway.

I can't say I'll be happy if Biden wins, but the means by which Trump and his supporters are going about undermining the parts of the American electoral system that are historically the LEAST corrupt and MOST transparent is disturbing to me as an American expat who favors neither of these candidates. There are undeniably areas of the US voting system that are susceptible to fraud on many fronts (but usually the "back end" concerning electronic voting of any kind - as Ohio 2004 demonstrates), but given the way that the USPS was sabotaged from within, as a mostly objective impartial observer, I don't really care much if some votes that were artificially "late" in being delivered to their destinations because of systemic sabotage are counted, even if allegedly against the statutes that dictate by WHEN an otherwise legitimate vote may be received can be counted because there is no way to say who those votes go for and.....karma.

Last time I'll say this, I promise. Why isn't Biden requesting recounts in some states where it was also pretty close? Why didn't Killary request recounts until Jill Stein approached her about it after she had already conceded? One answer is that Democrats are pussies who have no idea how to play cutthroat politics like Republicans and Trump - and that's true. Another possible answer is that they don't fuckin' care who wins as long as it isn't a dirty commie socialist like sheepdog Bernie Sanders under their own party's flag. Either way, if a vote was received in a reasonable amount of time given the manipulated conditions under DeJoy's USPS leadership, and if it was postmarked before election day, I don't give a shit whether some idiot backdates it so long as it's a real vote cast by a real person. Otherwise we're talking about "democracy" denial via technicalities and legalistic bullshit That's how we got George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Both sides may be cheating, but until someone comes up with a story detailing an amount of actually fake votes to tilt this election one way or the other, I'll be playing the world's tiniest violin for whichever one of them is using technicalities and procedural weaseling to "win" in the same manner that the Democrats did with Russiagate.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 11 2020 7:54 utc | 364

Didn’t give it to Trump either.

Pennsylvania is up for grabs.


Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 7:55 utc | 365

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 7:53 utc | 363

In the same manner as MSNBC and CNN are in the bag for Democrats, Real Clear Politics and the whole Real Clear media holding company are in the bag for Republicans and Trump. Unlike Fox News they don't have some Murdoch family/corporation line to be pushing.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/real-clear-politics/

For a control: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/moon-of-alabama/

Oh, and also they took away PA yesterday (or earlier in the day for Americans). It didn't just now happen. Same thing with Arizona IINM.

In fact, several media/news organizations still have Biden at 259 and have had it that way for days.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 11 2020 8:00 utc | 366

The legal issues involved in Pennsylvania will have repercussions for the rest of the US too.


Why is the Supreme Court Involved in Pennsylvania?

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 8:07 utc | 367

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 7:53 utc | 363

Trying this again. I've had a couple of posts disappear as well. Did the one that you're referring to ever show back up?

Posted by: _K_C_ | Nov 11 2020 8:19 utc | 368

KC @ 367

No. That’s why my posts are so disjointed.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 8:22 utc | 369

Down South @Nov11 7:53 #363

Realclearpolitics has taken Pennsylvania away from Biden.

Down South @Nov11 7:55 #365
Didn’t give it to Trump either.

AFAIK RCP never called Pennsylvania.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Nov 11 2020 8:45 utc | 370

Carl D @ 354

Well, duh. The sort of nonsense you call out is just par for the course. Sometimes that sort of story spreads because of sheer ignorance. Other times you have to wonder if it is purposeful. The completely bogus news starts to drown out reality and honest informed citizens just give up. In any case Yahoo is like the rest of the media in that none retain professional editors any longer.

In other news I do not believe RSH has left these pages. In fact he is still discussing his favorite subject, himself, right here.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 11 2020 9:37 utc | 371

Jackrabbit @ 370

Yes, I think you are right

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 9:44 utc | 372


More proof how right Trump was on social media's support for the Democrats:

Report: Joe Biden wants ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt to lead a tech industry task force in the White House
https://reclaimthenet.org/joe-biden-eric-schmidt-white-house-tech-task-force/

Posted by: Zanon | Nov 11 2020 9:53 utc | 373

Trump is being 'difficult' on the transition. It may be some kind of revenge for 4 years of contesting the previous election but I don't think so. So what kind of deal would he want to extract from this? Adding security to his post election interests?
Also why is he piling on Iran sanctions. Is that his decision?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Nov 11 2020 10:06 utc | 374

A long read> "Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election: An Exercise in Election Risk Assessment and Management"
51 Loyola University Chicago Law Journal 309 (2019)
Ohio State Public Law Working Paper No. 501
Edward B. Foley

Donald Trump's Stealthy Road to Victory" (national interest dot org)

One presumably realistic outcome is that Pence as Prez of the Senate will cast the one deciding vote...

My own opinion is that the Constitutionally established protocols must run, but that also indecision is characteristic of institutional decay and withholding consent is what happens when an institution has ended.

Posted by: Walter | Nov 11 2020 13:44 utc | 375

Orlov’s latest:

In any case, dead voters for Biden turn out to be just the tip of an entire iceberg of election fraud. There are also the over 1.8 million nonexistent yet registered voters discovered by Judicial Watch back in September. Add to that the faulty voting system, creepily named “Dominion,” which miscounted votes to favor Biden. Add to that the undeservedly kid-gloved and fawning press coverage afforded to Biden and the US mass media’s overwhelmingly hostile attitude toward Trump. Add to that the fraudulent poll data which, just as prior to the 2016 election, was contrived to make a fraudulent Biden victory seem plausible. Add to that the amply funded organizations such as BLM and Antifa (in which the “Anti-” prefix is gratuitous, this organization in fact being very much “Fa…”) which have been ordered to protest, loot and riot in many major US cities, moving their mercenaries from location to location, where they then recruit useful idiots among the locals. What this adds up to is a vast, brazen, carelessly self-incriminating conspiracy to overthrow a sitting president through election fraud.

The collapse of the USA will make the collapse of the USSR look like a stroll through a leafy park and a boat ride on a placid pond.

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 13:59 utc | 376

@ Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 13:59 utc | 376

That Orlov essay is amazing, with every paragraph a pearl.

Allow me to quote three more:

Arrayed against our fearless orange-hued leader, who at 74 is no spring chicken himself, is a ghoulish gaggle of geriatric gerontocrats. There is Joe Biden, 77, whose brain ran away and joined a circus some years ago but who imagines himself to be president-elect, or senator, or vice-president, or something. Having spent eight years lurking in the shadows as Obama’s VP, Biden is as fit to lead as a pig is kosher after rubbing its side against a corner of a synagogue. To assist Biden in his dodderings there is his party-appointed nanny, Kamala Harris, a mere slip of a girl at 56.

Also haunting the balcony of the American mausoleum is Nancy Pelosi, 80, who still runs the House of Representatives even though proper employment for her at this point would be up on a pole keeping the birds off the corn. There is also Bernie Sanders, 79, a sad pagliaccio whose permanent role in the political Commedia dell’Arte that the Democratic Party stages every four years is to simulate democracy by cheerleading crowds of young imbeciles in Act I, to feign death after falling off his pogo stick in Act II, and to stagger to his feet, wave and smile for the curtain call.

Last but not least, there is the horrid harpy Hillary Clinton, who is relatively young at 73 but whose putrid smell and cadaverous, ghastly visage are not longer fit for public display except in most delicately contrived circumstances. Hidden even further backstage is the suppurating cadaver of George Soros who, at 90, is still pulling the strings and wreaking havoc in the US and around the world. (His minions had recently spread color revolution to Armenia, in turn causing it to “elect” Pashinyan, a choice imbecile and a traitor, who then lost a big chunk of Armenian territory to Azerbaijan.) I could mention quite a few other financial corpses and oligarchic cadavers, but will refrain, to avoid giving you nightmares. Nobody lives forever, not even Henry Kissinger, 97, and so all we have to do is wait.


Posted by: gm | Nov 11 2020 14:35 utc | 377

The message now: The system's obviously broken beyond repair and WE MUST come together to fix it as divided WE won't be able to overcome Establishment resistance, for the broken system works just fine for them and not at all for US.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 10 2020 20:09 utc | 335

Declaring something beyond repair is usually hasty. What can help if you have a broken washing machine or a broken heart?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CsUo64oGig

In any case, viewed as a system, the democratic apparatus work just fine, and even, as you admit, as intended. I perceive some panache in the way it worked this time. A good bullfighter wins in a way is separated by less than an inch from sudden death. Ole!

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2020 15:47 utc | 378

Biden-Harris Presidential Transition Account,@Transition46, in case there is someon interested...

https://twitter.com/Transition46

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 16:28 utc | 379

So, once again the MoA neo fascist zeitgeist gets it wrong and can't admit it. Who is paying whom for posting wall to wall discredited nonsense?

b, the so-called geopolitical expert then buries the true headline news under a pound of Russian baloney: Turkey-led Azerbaijan defeats Armenia and Putin is powerless to respond, as he is also in Syria. Where by the way b/MoA neo fascist zeitgeist has been consistently wrong for two years now, since the first Astana summit. And dont get me started on zio lover Putin kowtowing to Zionist Israel during this time. Russia is the Austrian Empire of the 21st Century. Very weak except they have a couple great diplomats futilely covering realpolitik and economic weakness with deal making. And China is not riding to Russia's defense. They are busy saluting the uptick in global financial markets and planning their own future from a position of neoliberal strength to bother with their weak sisters to the immediate west. As the last Marxist-Leninist-Maoist radical left standing at this absurd Republican Kool-Aid Stand, I can only ask: Where is donkeytale? I want to welcome him back. He should be here taking a bow for his accurate prophecies.

Posted by: King Leer | Nov 11 2020 16:32 utc | 380

Andaréapié @355--

Thanks for your kind reply!

One last point:

Much is done to negate use of The Golden Rule--Do Unto Others As You Would Want Done To You. All sorts of excuses are proffered, thus little is done within the nations practicing Neoliberal Parasitism. China's Win-Win embodies the Golden Rule Concept, which is why China MUST be demonized, slandered, and smeared, for the West's Zero-sum takes from almost everyone leaving them nothing when working properly--just like the outcome of a game of Monopoly. Thus the Good Example of first Cuba, then Vietnam, now China cannot be allowed to stand. If past behavior predicts future behavior, we can expect the Outlaw US Empire to wage War--not the current Hybrid War--with China because it simply does things better by employing the Golden Rule.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 11 2020 16:37 utc | 381

Well as the Republicans join the claims on election fraud as an almost unified chorus, tearing down their garments, along the conservative media/"alt-media" + associated bloggers, a reminder on that use of fake news and dirty fake accusations against opponent candidates is not new in the US political scene, and a custom that did not was introduced precisely by the Democratic Party, but by the conservatives from their tender cradles...If dirty has to be taken out, let´s take it all out...

Rove's Science of Dirty Tricks

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 16:50 utc | 382

Post-electoral analysis by CELAG ( In Spanish )

Post-election report: Biden, expectation and reality

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 16:58 utc | 383

gm citing Orlov:

Last but not least, there is the horrid harpy Hillary Clinton, who is relatively young at 73 but whose putrid smell and cadaverous, ghastly visage are not longer fit for public display except in most delicately contrived circumstances. Hidden even further backstage is the suppurating cadaver of George Soros who, at 90, is still pulling the strings and wreaking havoc in the US and around the world. (His minions had recently spread color revolution to Armenia, in turn causing it to “elect” Pashinyan, a choice imbecile and a traitor, who then lost a big chunk of Armenian territory to Azerbaijan.)

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However amusing, this is pretty low. All people caricatured in the piece look at worst average (considering their age group). Concerning Pashinyan, Caucasian politics is convoluted, clearly, Armenians did not modernized their army sufficiently, but precisely how it was played we do not know. Armenia under Pashinyan was very polite with Russia and surely there was some hidden tension, but in long run, Russia needs to circle the square in this conflict and that may well happen. I mean, where Armenia could get most up-to-date air defenses? For that matter, even a country as rich as KSA had some problems ...

But Soros is more interesting. He is notable in investing a lot in educating young people and there are swarms of the alumni of his schools and courses in addition to parallel efforts funded by other philanthropists and Western governments. In Ukraine the unfriendly term is "sorosyata" which is a cute pun. This is a highly recommended book for children:

https://www.internationalchildbook.com/products/porosyata-the-piglets-russian

A BEAUTIFULLY ILLUSTRATED , LOOSLY RHYMED POEM, ABOUT MOTHER-PIG TRYING TO TEACH BABY-PIGS TO SPEAK.

Thus babies lovingly though by mama Soros to speak can be affectionately named sorosyata by replacing one letter. Babies have to eat to, so they are also called grantozhery, i.e. grantophages. They are numerous, youthful, a bit bloodthirsty (you do not live on grants alone).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2020 17:02 utc | 384

gm citing Orlov:

Last but not least, there is the horrid harpy Hillary Clinton, who is relatively young at 73 but whose putrid smell and cadaverous, ghastly visage are not longer fit for public display except in most delicately contrived circumstances. Hidden even further backstage is the suppurating cadaver of George Soros who, at 90, is still pulling the strings and wreaking havoc in the US and around the world. (His minions had recently spread color revolution to Armenia, in turn causing it to “elect” Pashinyan, a choice imbecile and a traitor, who then lost a big chunk of Armenian territory to Azerbaijan.)

---

However amusing, this is pretty low. All people caricatured in the piece look at worst average (considering their age group). Concerning Pashinyan, Caucasian politics is convoluted, clearly, Armenians did not modernized their army sufficiently, but precisely how it was played we do not know. Armenia under Pashinyan was very polite with Russia and surely there was some hidden tension, but in long run, Russia needs to circle the square in this conflict and that may well happen. I mean, where Armenia could get most up-to-date air defenses? For that matter, even a country as rich as KSA had some problems ...

But Soros is more interesting. He is notable in investing a lot in educating young people and there are swarms of the alumni of his schools and courses in addition to parallel efforts funded by other philanthropists and Western governments. In Ukraine the unfriendly term is "sorosyata" which is a cute pun. This is a highly recommended book for children:

https://www.internationalchildbook.com/products/porosyata-the-piglets-russian

A BEAUTIFULLY ILLUSTRATED , LOOSLY RHYMED POEM, ABOUT MOTHER-PIG TRYING TO TEACH BABY-PIGS TO SPEAK.

Thus babies lovingly though by mama Soros to speak can be affectionately named sorosyata by replacing one letter. Babies have to eat to, so they are also called grantozhery, i.e. grantophages. They are numerous, youthful, a bit bloodthirsty (you do not live on grants alone).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2020 17:02 utc | 385

More on dirty tricks, campaign tips from the man who has done it all...

The Dirty Trickster

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 11 2020 17:14 utc | 386

@Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 11 2020 17:02 utc | 384

I know nothing of the Armenian leader, but I would have to say Orlov's characterization of Hilary Clinton is apt based upon this recent video footage"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44AbGEHhzg4

Posted by: gm | Nov 11 2020 18:08 utc | 387

Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2020 13:59 utc | 376

Yes, yes... I was waiting for this one. His linking to his original presentation for US' preparedness for collapse is very fitting too.

I would select this quote which pretty much sums some of my feelings:

Just look around you, and you will see boondoggles sprouting up everywhere, in every field of endeavor: we have military boondoggles like Iraq, financial boondoggles like the doomed retirement system, medical boondoggles like private health insurance, legal boondoggles like the intellectual property system. The combined weight of all these boondoggles is slowly but surely pushing us all down. If it pushes us down far enough, then economic collapse, when it arrives, will be like falling out of a ground floor window. We just have to help this process along, or at least not interfere with it. So if somebody comes to you and says “I want to make a boondoggle that runs on hydrogen” – by all means encourage him! It’s not as good as a boondoggle that burns money directly [Trump], but it’s a step in the right direction.

My emphasis, I could only hope for a basement window fall over...

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Nov 11 2020 19:09 utc | 388

Debsisdead | Nov 10 2020 22:14 utc | 343

https://scheerpost.com/2020/05/02/maj-danny-eugene-debs-and-the-age-of-corona/

"As I argue at the close of the piece, Bernie may have lost the primary and endorsed the “senator from MBNA,” but “this moment—and the future—may belong to Eugene Debs."– Danny Sjursen, May 2, 2020

Posted by: davenitup | Nov 11 2020 21:06 utc | 389

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