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November 13, 2020

Deep State Member Admits Sabotage Of Trump's Policies

Katie Bo Williams @KatieBoWill - 11:46 UTC · Nov 13, 2020

In a particularly frank moment during an exit interview, departing Syria envoy Jim Jeffrey acknowledged to me that when it came to troop levels there, “We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there."

Jeffrey was always a part of the 'deep state' that tried to sabotage Trump's policies.

As Williams writes:

Four years after signing the now-infamous “Never Trump” letter condemning then-presidential candidate Donald Trump as a danger to America, retiring diplomat Jim Jeffrey is recommending that the incoming Biden administration stick with Trump’s foreign policy in the Middle East.

But even as he praises the president’s support of what he describes as a successful “realpolitik” approach to the region, he acknowledges that his team routinely misled senior leaders about troop levels in Syria.

“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there,” Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is “a lot more than” the two hundred troops Trump agreed to leave there in 2019.
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“What Syria withdrawal? There was never a Syria withdrawal,” Jeffrey said. “When the situation in northeast Syria had been fairly stable after we defeated ISIS, [Trump] was inclined to pull out. In each case, we then decided to come up with five better arguments for why we needed to stay. And we succeeded both times. That’s the story.”
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Officially, Trump last year agreed to keep about 200 U.S. troops stationed in northeast Syria to “secure” oil fields held by the United States’ Kurdish allies in the fight against ISIS. It is generally accepted that the actual number is now higher than that — anonymous officials put the number at about 900 today — but the precise figure is classified and remains unknown even, it appears, to members of Trump’s administration keen to end the so-called “forever wars.”

That the Pentagon, the State Department and the various secret services were and are lying to Trump is not new. That one of their guys now openly admits this is refreshing.

As Trump now knows this, and recently installed his people in the Pentagon, he may draw the right conclusions from it not only for Syria but also for Afghanistan.

President Donald Trump’s decapitation strike on the Pentagon this week is raising fears that the U.S. will accelerate the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, putting newly installed leaders on a collision course with top generals and others who are urging a more deliberate drawdown.

Current and former administration officials say Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper Monday in part over his opposition to accelerating troop drawdowns worldwide, and especially in Afghanistan. The upheaval accelerated on Tuesday with the resignation of three high-level civilians and the installation of loyalists who are expected to ram through Trump's agenda, and continued on Wednesday when retired Army Col. Douglas Macgregor, an outspoken critic of the war in Afghanistan, was brought on as senior adviser to new acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller.

Any move to accelerate withdrawals would set up a clash with the nation’s top generals and other civilians, who have argued publicly against leaving Afghanistan too quickly while the security situation remains volatile. It would also complicate President-elect Joe Biden’s pledge to leave a small number of troops in the country to guard against terror attacks.

“A precipitous and what appears to be near total withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan — not on a conditions-based approach advocated by our military, political and intelligence leadership but rather on an old campaign promise by President Trump now carried out by hyperpartisan Trump loyalists installed in a last-minute purge of DoD — is both reckless and will not make America safer,” said Marc Polymeropoulos, a retired CIA senior operations officer.

The U.S. occupation of Afghanistan began on October 7 2001. Nineteen years and an obviously lost war later the removal of U.S. troops from the country is still 'precipitous'?

Macgregor and Sec Def Miller should draw up a direct order to the commanding general of U.S. Central Command that tells him to remove all troops from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq within the next 30 days. Trump must sign it. Should CentCom fail to follow the order by the Commander in Chief its leader must be replaced and court martialed.

That is how the chain of command should actually work. It would be nice to see it for once happening that way.

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@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 13 2020 17:24 utc | 52

Fair enough. Let him be measured by what he accomplished rather than what he said or his supporters/distractors said.

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Nov 13 2020 22:06 utc | 101

Passer by | Nov 13 2020 18:06 utc | 62

Its technological level is uneven, and will need up to 10 years to produce the chips that Taiwan produces. In some areas its good, in some areas mediocre.

This is the reality of the situation.

People have consistently under-estimated the time that the Chinese were going to take to do things; from the time the PLA captured the Shanghai power station ("They'll never be able to run it without the American engineers!" There wasn't even a power cut.) To the time that PIA who were flying Boeings into Shanghai asked Boeing to supply the Chinese with their radar, that would allow them to land in a fog. Boeing, of course refused and confidently predicted it would take the Chinese "for ever" to do it themselves. (They had it working in less than 18 months.) To the predictions about how long it would take them to deal with Covid-19.

China is very vulnerable for its imports and exports, and can be blockaded easily if Russia joins a deal with the US on it.

Russia is not daft! IF! Indeed, that is the word!

Exports are down to less than 20% of China's GDP, export to the USA around 3%. China is the largest exporter to more than 100 countries.

If the USA had the capacity to blockade China, they would have done so already. They seem to be having difficulty blockading Venezuela.


Posted by: foolisholdman | Nov 13 2020 22:07 utc | 102

Posted by: Beibdnn | Nov 13 2020 21:49 utc | 98

>>Splitting Russia from China is the wet dream of Washington. It’s not going to happen. Russia is NOT going to boycott China in anything. For a country in such a precarious position, they certainly don’t seem to be too worried by what the U.S. might be able to do.

I said that several times too. But it remains the strategy of the Trump administration. With Dems this will change, though.

>>You may dismiss 6G as irrelevant

No, i do not see it as irrelevent. I said that China's technologocal level is uneven. In some aspects is good (AI, 5G), in some aspects it lags - chips, passenger airplanes, nuclear submarines, anti-air capability.

>>China is well aware of where it is lacking and is putting into operation yet another 5 year plan to remediate this. By 2025 they intend to be completely self sufficient in all aspects of technology. I wouldn’t bet against them and for certain Russia is willing to help them bridge that gap.

I see it that way too, but on technology self-sufficiency it will be more like 2030 (for reaching 90-100 % of chips, for passenger aircraft, and some military technologies).

Anyway my whole point is not so much about discussing US-China tech gaps, but about the issue of the Trump administration geopolitical strategy, which i believe aims for world domination of the US, and not for isolationism.

In order to achieve that, Trump would like to improve relations with Russia. But Trump's aim is ultimately negative - first get rid of China, and then when Russia is alone, turn against Russia too.

So on the issue of Trump vs Biden in foreign policy i see them both as imperialists.

Posted by: Passer by | Nov 13 2020 22:12 utc | 103

Posted by: foolisholdman | Nov 13 2020 22:07 utc | 102

See comment 103

Posted by: Passer by | Nov 13 2020 22:15 utc | 104

re: Afghanistan
Years ago, after the breakup of the Soviet Union, Washington (led by Congress) had a Silk Road strategy to gain influence over Central Asia, the -stans). Especially up north in Kazakhstan there was a large US effort to link with the government there. This included financial investments by USAID with support from The American Chamber of Commerce in Kazakhstan.They were in effect outsourcing American jobs for political gain, and using US taxpayer dollars to do it.

The US Silk Road strategy hasn't been mentioned for a while, but old strategies die hard. In this case, Afghanistan sits as a keystone to Central Asia, which is one reason to retain a US interest on the ground. (Removing ground troops would not halt the aerial bombing of that poor country.)

The US Silk Road (now taken over by China) from Central Asia had no possibiity anyhow, since Afghanistan is land-locked and so commerce would have to be routed to the sea either through Iran or Pakistan, neither being reliable.

So then the justification of a US military presence in Afghanistan had to fall back on the weary "safe haven" theory that it was necessary prevent Afghanistan from being used to inflict another 9/11 on the US just as it did (not) happen in 2001. The US generals lied about how corners were consistently (not) being turned several times a year, and they're still saying that any withdrawal should be "conditions based" which is a Pentagon term for never.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 13 2020 22:56 utc | 105

Andrei Martyanov has a good post up, a few hours after b. One thing spotted in b’s post was Jeffrey’s remark about defeating ISIS. He knows perfectly well ISIS is American mercenaries. He knows how to dance around that one with his interlocutor. And he knew how to dance around Trump.

Just wondering how business gets done when the big boys sit around the table and each has their own agenda, each is guarding information from the others. It is much harder to accomplish anything in that model than in the circumstance that all have common loyalty and common purpose. My hunch would be in the world where Jeffrey lives mostly nothing gets done. Small projects and small Potemkin villages could happen. Small teams with small goals.Entirely impossible to run an empire that way. Jeffrey can retire with some personal booty or treasure, Empire dies.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 13 2020 23:14 utc | 106

@Posted by: Noirette | Nov 13 2020 18:07 utc | 63

"Recent Color Revolution and Regime Change Ops.

(US instigation, involvement, control, varies…) from 2016

What did I forget?"

I can think of three more that US likely played guiding roles in:

-Attempted Gulenist-CIA coup of Erdogan in Turkey, July 2016, failed.

-Dilma Rousseff (Brazil) Aug 2016; regime change by lawfare; successful

-Nicaragua, May 2018 "Crisis"; unsuccessful.

Posted by: gm | Nov 13 2020 23:23 utc | 107

Now, thanks to Pompeo, we'll all have to find a way (as he did) to reason through the claim that the Republic of China (Taiwan) is not part of China.

In any case, Taipei has crossed a China red line and declared its independence from Beijing, an action that President Xi has clearly said would result in the application of force.

China has a lot of alternative ways to convince Taiwan that it has made a mistake in declaring independence. They include: cyber attacks, a military move on one or more of the several islands that Taipei claims, a naval blockade, some 'terrorist activity' in Taiwan, etc . . .up to a full-on invasion preceded by air attacks to destroy Taiwan air and naval assets. Taiwan's ground force is ineffective at stopping any invasion, mostly just a bunch of untrained conscripts. . .The (usually bad) weather in the Taiwan Strait is an element of concern for China, but the Chinese are well-blessed with patience.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 0:00 utc | 108

gm ---

"-Dilma Rousseff (Brazil) Aug 2016; regime change by lawfare; successful "

They have tried that on a few others like Morales.

I think this is why Putin put this immunity clause in--


"Russia Moves to Grant Ex-Presidents Lifetime Immunity From Prosecution"


Posted by: arby | Nov 14 2020 0:03 utc | 109

Passer by @96

Yes, the US has a few good subs. How many can America afford to lose? Because no matter how wonderful those subs are, when the US starts sinking tankers and freighters with those subs then there will be a counterattack.

Now, it could be that US sub defenses sink five Chinese destroyers for each Virginia class sub destroyed. Do keep in mind, though, that if China needed to they could dramatically ramp up production of destroyers. I'm thinking they could easily produce over a hundred per year with their current manufacturing capacity. How many nuke subs can the US produce per year to make up for losses? What is the max the US could do with its current industrial capacity?

Sure, I hear your point. America could ramp up production too, right?

Wrong.

It is not so simple. Industrial capacity is more than just Rosie-the-Riveter can-do spirit. It is supply chains, and much of the steel in the Virginian class subs is actually made in China. Ramping up production isn't just about adding a couple more assembly lines at Newport News shipyard, you also need steel mills, and active mines to supply those mills, and so on. There is also the skilled labor needed. How many kids do you know hoping to become master machinists or welders? Can you think of even one? That supply chain pipeline takes YEARS to fill.

The point here is that you will never be able to sink China's destroyers faster than they can build them, but China will definitely be able to sink America's subs faster than they can be replaced.

You cannot just hand-wave away the massive difference in industrial capacity. That is decisive in any war. We don't even have to delve into the tech advantages (China produces an order of magnitude more STEM grads than does the US) to see how ANY major conflict between the US and China will end.

It is all fine and good to masturbate over how wonderful one imagine's the US empire to be, but an occasional visit to reality is advised.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2020 0:18 utc | 110

@ 111
Human capital for the active military is also in short supply, which has secondary effects such
the recruiting of females for active service in combat units, the activation of many national guard units for foreign service, etc. . . .71 percent of young Americans between 17 and 24 are ineligible to serve in the military—that is 24 million of the 34 million people of that age group. . . headline: "Births Continue to Fall, Fertility Rate Hits Record Low"

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 0:40 utc | 111

andrei m. makes some good points in his post today, I especially like and agree with this one, sad to say, no country in the world should really be making any kind of agreements with the US government as the 'deep state' or The Establishment pretty much runs things, will ignore direct orders from the chief executive and the executive branch (see and note recent Trump orders to de-classify documents which the bureaucracy in DC simply ignores. CIA's Haspel is next to be 'terminated' I mean fired, I would suspect), and so no 'treaty' is worth the (executive order) paper it's printed on

and, thanks to old hippie at #107 for reminding me to check out A.M.

http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2020/11/a-short-note-on-being-ungovernable.html

"....You see, that is why the United States is non-agreement capable and that is why Russia simply doesn't take US political and the so called national (in)security establishment seriously. This establishment not only is actively involved in the sabotage of the remnants of the Republic, it actually lies and misleads (a more refined euphemism for lying) the POTUS. What is most remarkable--these people they never get punished or are held responsible for what amounts to... well, find the definition of this yourself....."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 14 2020 0:48 utc | 112

So all the votes are counted and Biden has 306 Electoral Votes to Trump's 232, and Biden turned two Red States Blue; Georgia and Arizona. It's really over for Trump

According to Trump's standards after receiving 306 Electoral votes in 2916 as well, and bragging it was a landslide even though he lost the popular vote by 3 Million and won by way less votes in PA, and won Michigan by only 10,000 votes to Biden's 146,000 difference today, Biden won by a landslide.

However, here's the kicker: Biden won the popular vote by 5,300,000 votes to Trump's popular vote loss of 3 million in 2016 and no other President in history won by as many votes as Biden. So according to Trump's bar of excellence, Trump was flattened by a Biden tsunami.

According to my standards, however, Biden just won by a landslide, therefore, I'm one of the few here who predicted correctly. I believe Mark2 and someone else here predicted this as well, and both I and that other person whose Moniker escapes me, were ridiculed (so what else is new?).

Jackrabbit gets the prize for being the worst at predicting anything, but he wasn't alone. At least he appears not to be a Trump bootlicker unlike the others who predicted a Trump win and worse, a landslide for Trump.

After January 20th, no more using Air Force One, no more Beast, only one final ride to his private plane on Marine One.

Then he can start worrying about no longer having Presidential immunity and being exposed to prosecution. I'm not so sure he can pardon himself and there are multiple lawsuits pending and New York State fraud investigations in progress.

HA! Lots to look forward to. Maybe I'll get my wish after all.

Posted by: Circe | Nov 14 2020 0:52 utc | 113

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2020 0:18 utc | 111

Very sceptical about Chinese ASW deep in the Pacific Ocean, or in the Indian Ocean, where the US secured resupply in India's ports in the LEMOA agreement. You need aviation for ASW and China won't be able to have that in good numbers both deep in the Pacific or in the Indian Ocean.

For that, China will need a lot of bases across the world oceans it currently does not have.

On STEM. Raw numbers of graduates by itself does not mean much, otherwise India would be the world's science superpower.

I prefer to look at high quality science production and on that China is about 71 % of the US level.

The Nature Index counts only submissions to elite journals, and not just every other paper.

https://www.natureindex.com/country-outputs/generate/All/global/All/score

Posted by: Passer by | Nov 14 2020 0:55 utc | 114

Odd discourse on this thread. IMO, all would agree the Outlaw US Empire is the most dangerous rogue on the planet and anything done to lessen that danger ought to be considered a positive development. What if Trump does bring home several tens of thousands of Imperial Stormtroopers home for the Holidays, isn't that an act that ought to be applauded?! How easy would it really be for Biden to redeploy troops that were illegally occupying Syria and Iraq--would those governments allow him; and what of the political cost? Domestically, the Empire's in a world of hurt, and it's not just the civil division--there are some very serious problems not including the virus that've been kicked down the road and can't be put off much longer. What's required are Aces when it comes to governing, but it looks like only knaves are available as those with the best ideas are only a tiny minority in Congress. Expect continuing FUBAR, which should be easy since it's been ongoing since 1990. Someone mentioned Ike. He didn't do shit other than keeping the Dulles brothers from blowing up the world--Ike was 100% responsible for the building of the Hyrda he denounced on his last day. Trump could better that performance, but he's going to need to invade the Swamp to have any sort of Legacy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2020 0:57 utc | 115

@Pb 111
China has its 'string of pearls' naval bases available or a-building in over a dozen places between Shanghai and Africa. It's the US that has a shortage of bases for resupply and maintenance that would allow it to conduct naval operations 8,000 miles from the US mainland.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 1:03 utc | 116

I two draft age sons and these c**k suckers better not try to get them involved in all this sinister crap. All wars are their wars...not ours.

Posted by: davenitup | Nov 14 2020 1:15 utc | 117

@ Posted by: Passer by | Nov 14 2020 0:55 utc | 115

China is still inferior to the USA, but it is working hard to catch up.

Technological gap is the biggest obstacle: of the circa 10 main technological chains, China is only leader in 2. It is still very dependent on European and American know-how.

But it's certainly superior to India already. The key here is that India has a very localized expertise which is dedicated to feed the American market with cheap labor force (H-1B1 visas). If you can't translate your knowledge into industry, you won't be able to translate it into praxis.

Even with such gap, a war in Taiwan or even the SCS would be very difficult to the USA. China would be fighting a defensive war at home, with modern missiles (which didn't exist in WWII). Those epic naval battles of 1942-1945 won't happen ever again.

Posted by: vk | Nov 14 2020 1:24 utc | 118


for sure obama was impacted by the deep state, he called it "the washington playbook". jeffrey goldberg did an extensive interview and writeup on it in the atlantic called "the obama doctrine", lambasting him for not obliterating syria. i wrote about it for MW Goldberg on Obama’s Syria credibility ‘crisis’.

Posted by: annie | Nov 14 2020 1:34 utc | 119

@ Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 13 2020 20:32 utc | 90

Would you be so kind as to clarify your nick?

Are you a citizen of Norge, one of my beloved countries due to past experiences there? Or of the USA? Or perhaps you have some sort of dual citizenship?

Posted by: suzan | Nov 14 2020 1:37 utc | 120

responding to Passerby at 96, William Gruff said =>Industrial capacity is more than just Rosie-the-Riveter can-do spirit. It is supply chains, and much of the steel in the Virginian class subs is actually made in China. Ramping up production isn't just about adding a couple more assembly lines at Newport News shipyard, you also need steel mills, and active mines to supply those mills, and so on. There is also the skilled labor needed. How many kids do you know are hoping to become master machinists or welders? Can you think of even one? That supply chain pipeline takes YEARS to fill. by: William Gruff @ 111

<=== Snake agrees, yes yes yes, it was before WWI and WWII that the farm taught those skills industry used, but the oligarchs and their corporate right arms used the USA to capture all those skills in denial of access copyright, patent monopolies, stupefied university degrees and licensing one task allowed to one person bureaucratization, as well as those in charge of the laws at the USA encouraged corruption and promoted under the table government contracts designed to make private public services and to sell peanuts for $1,000,000 each. Why> The idea was to bank the profits in tax free Israel, do the industrial production in cheap labor and unprotected environment places, and use Wall Street to make it look like something useful was happening, and the media to assure people they were Americans and should just let the USA do as it pleased.

This demise in industrial capacity was planned, those in charge at the USA led the way.. The leaders Used the USA to destroy the very nation it was suppose to protect. And until Americans wake up the theft and destruction will continue.

Posted by: snake | Nov 14 2020 1:50 utc | 121

Anyone who wonders why amerika is so screwed up or how the world fell into this overpopulated hellhole just needs to consider this thread.
A mob of people who loudly decry war are presented with the notion that just once maybe some peace could happen yet instead of considering ways that could be made reality these peaceniks slip straight back into partisan nonsense, the dim partisans crying boo hoo why hasn't he done it before and the rethug partisans crying boo hoo the election was stolen that is more important 'n anyway the "deep state" will stop it.
After all the facile propaganda being pushed outta every media orifice for the last two weeks tv, fishwraps, FB, twitter 'n blogs you all fall straight back into the same old trap that has prevented real change in amerika for a couple of hundred years by fighting over what colour to paint the single pig that pretends to be two. The colour of that pig red or blue is more important to many here than what it is that the foul smelling, rabid pig does. Pathetic

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 14 2020 1:52 utc | 122

There is a colossal campaign afoot to raise money for Trump's "legal defense", to "defend American democracy". People who have received the solicitations for donations have revealed that it is stated therein (in what is literally the small print at the bottom of the e-mail) that 50% or 60% of the donated money (depending on the solicitation to which one responds) will be used to pay down campaign debts while the other 40% 0r 50% will go into the Republican National Committee's general fund. Only money specifically so designated by the donor will be put toward the "legal defense fund".

So, to keep the moola rolling in, he must keep up the challenge and the façade of fighting in the courts. The rejected lawsuits obviously cost very little since they are all, so far, a dead end. Further, as long as he has not conceded the election, the federal money available to fund the transition cannot be released by the General Services Administration to the Biden / Harris team. Once one understands this, it is absurd to expect him to concede.

He and his family are reported to be trying to take over control of the Republican Party, as the Clintonites did with the Democratic National Committee when the Clinton Foundation paid off its gigantic debts. The money coming into the Republican National Committee through the "legal defense fund" will give them some weight to throw around. The Trumps -- not to mention the "base" -- see themselves as the shining star guiding America forward in recovering its greatness. This is apparently not without resistance among Republicans.

The maneuvers of the U.S. Navy along with the Brazilian navy off the coast of Venezuela have observers predicting an invasion complete with carpet bombing, just to prove to the public how "presidential" he is...

However, this is without consideration of the vast panoply of indictments awaiting him in New York, for all sorts of things, enough to put him away for life and then some.

Already, in 2015-2016 he was under investigation under the RICO Act, the most draconian law in the United States Code, but Jefferson Beauregard Sessions put an end to that. The current indictments are under New York City and New York State law, hence impervious to a presidential pardon (should he resign and be pardoned by Pence or try a self-pardon -- which even "his" Supremes might be loath to endorse) and pertain to major financial shenanigans, including bank, insurance and tax fraud of all sorts.

However, there is still that inconvenient little affair of the fourteen-year-old girl who was waiting outside the pizzeria on the corner of Walnut Street and Walnut Avenue in Waterbury, Connecticut, when she was kidnapped away back when. She ended up with another girl of the same age in Jeffrey Epstein's mansion in New York and resurfaced when Jeffrey was arrested last year. She claims that she and the other girl were raped, several times, both by Jeffrey and by Trump.

Kidnapping is a crime against humanity under United State law, for which no statute of limitations is possible -- nor presidential pardon. The age of the girls and their use for sex constitutes human trafficking, also a crime against humanity. The story (credible) goes that Trump, personally, ordered the murder of Jeffrey in prison lest he spill the beans to spread the guilt around and drag somebody else down with him -- or maybe Jeffrey was blackmailing Trump. (I believe it all, but I also believe that the Mossad got Jeffrey out before the assassins could get to him.) The Waterbury girl is said to be in a witness protection program.

At one point, about three weeks ago, when talking at one of his rallies, he described how the country will be destroyed if the Democrats take power, then he mused that it was possible he might have to leave the country.

I have long cherished a fantasy of him climbing into Air Force One, one last time, on 19 January next, to fly away into exile. Israel and Saudi Arabia would probably welcome him, as well as the United Arab Emirates. Rio De Janeiro would provide him and Melania with the high-life that they are so fond of, but once Bolsonaro is out of office, The Donald could well find himself a candidate for extradition. In any event, given the crimes he should be called to account for, he can reasonably expect to be under the shadow of an international arrest warrant such as the one that clouded the last days of Pinochet.

In short, he's is deep shit.

Posted by: RJPRJ | Nov 14 2020 1:53 utc | 123

Speaking of Obama, AKA Mr. Hope & Change--
The Black Agenda Report nailed Obama as a tool of the DNC prior to his election:
BAR, June 18, 2008

The Democratic presidential nominee-apparent seldom speaks directly to Black people, but when he does it is usually to denounce individuals once close to him or to criticize The Race in general for some moral failing. Thus it was no surprise that Barack Obama used the occasion of Father's Day to give Black males the back of his hand, no doubt to the delight of millions of potential white supporters. Black males have "abandoned their responsibilities, acting like boys instead of men," said Obama, citing statistics on female-headed households. "You and I know how true this is in the African-American community."

Even the New York Times could see through Obama's transparent bid for white approval at Black people's expense. Reporter Julie Bosman noted that Obama "laid out his case in stark terms that would be difficult for a white candidate to make" - terms (such as boy?) that "his campaign hopes [will] resonate among white social conservatives in a race where these voters may be up for grabs." . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 2:09 utc | 124

When we think about one nation competing with another, we should keep in mind that it's more complicated than just comparing weapons systems. Its a question of national power.
. . .from wiki--
National power stems from various elements, also called instruments or attributes; these may be put into two groups based on their applicability and origin - "natural" and "social".
>Natural: Geography, Resources, Population
>Social: Economic, Political, Military, Psychological, Informational

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 2:20 utc | 125

If Trump ends up in deep shit, it will only be because the powers that be in the U.S., who have not gone after the Clintons for what they have done, hate him so much.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 14 2020 3:04 utc | 126

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Posted by: Mao | Nov 14 2020 3:08 utc | 127

The US is much more dependent on sea transport than China and thus much more vulnerable both from interruptions at sea, at point of origin, and at US ports.

Closing down the two in LA could be enough to cripple the US economy, then add NY&NJ and set the Gulf of Mexico on fire (or add nixing the South Louisiana and Houston ports). GPS spoofing could be enough to do it all by way of ship collisions and ramming harbors, at least the ones with super post-panamax cranes or stuff that goes "boom" :P

For a more informed view take a look at dot_43525_DS1.pdf on the internet, it's the 2019 annual report to the US congress with 2018 data.

Peace and getting along is much better, oh and all ports are cool amazing places :)

Link to the report, easy to download and it is only 27 pages of extremely light (but informative) reading with lots of air and charts/graphs. It mentions they have some online interactive thingamajig too but I haven't tried it.

Peace is prosperity.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 14 2020 3:31 utc | 128

Trump is doing what Clinton told Biden to do.

If no one has said it yet :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 14 2020 3:47 utc | 129

A bigger lie is what is going on in Syria. There is no revolution or civil war. The American-Israeli-Turkish-Saudi axis of evil wants to destroy Syria.

Explained in this short video: "The Plot to Destroy Syria" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P512QBpjoq4

Posted by: Carlton Meyer | Nov 14 2020 4:01 utc | 130

@suzan | Nov 14 2020 1:37 utc | 121
Hver gang noen ringer og spør hvem de snakker med, svarer jeg alltid "Hvem ringer?". Kvikk-Lunsj, Solo og langrenn.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 14 2020 4:30 utc | 131

I’m not a fan of shallow, knee-high, or the deep state, but in the course of a vindictive dismantling of everything and anything Obama did, the idiot, whose head was discovered during a colonoscopy at Walter Reed, is bound to statistically do something that seems right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Putting lipstick on Miss Piggy doesn’t change her DNA.

Posted by: MikeA | Nov 14 2020 4:57 utc | 132

Destroying Syria is still on their agenda. Prices there are sky-rocketing, as they certainly are in most of the "developing world" thanks to pandemy...
Last week on French gov radio, a 25 years old "Syrian refugee from Sweden" explained all the tortures he endured at Sayyidnaya prison, hem, before arriving to Sweden 9 years ago, mind you, and that he was even charged of numbering the corpses after they had been tortured... coz of course you know they had no one else than this 15 years old prisoner at hand to do that... The journalist who interviewed him raised no eyebrow of course.

Posted by: Mina | Nov 14 2020 9:23 utc | 133

"Deep State" is quite the buzzword. Makes it sound like a Soros-funded, Obama-led anti-Trump conspiracy.

Any modern government needs trained, skilled and experienced professionals to make it work. These are people who are not easily swapped out with each new administration. They have careers that tend to outlast any one administration and they have to think in terms of how their tasks is going to look in decades, not just next week.

Generally, a President would consult these people and ask them what is possible and plausible instead of just issuing directives via Twitter and expecting them to be carried out.

That is not Deep State, that is people serving their country's interests above those of a single politician.

Always fun to drop in tis nest of Putenversteher and see what your latest talking points are

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Nov 14 2020 10:02 utc | 134

Trump was and is a third party candidate who smartly used the hypocrisy of the American democracy to his advantage to win the presidency once. It is such a pity that he is not smart enough to repeat the trick successfully. If he had been, he probably could have saved the USA. But as things stand now, the US is doomed.

Posted by: Steve | Nov 14 2020 10:22 utc | 135

A bear shats in the woods, unless it is caged in a zoo.

tRump does NOT have policies. He, like biden does what he is told, when he isn't playing golf or with his penis,
ala his fellow demented dotatd.

Posted by: Seby | Nov 14 2020 11:13 utc | 136

Trump can now retire gracefully,
Spending his time on the golf course,
Hitting his balls with a stick.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 14 2020 11:24 utc | 137

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Nov 14 2020 10:02 utc | 134

Any modern government needs trained, skilled and experienced professionals to make it work. These are people who are not easily swapped out with each new administration. They have careers that tend to outlast any one administration and they have to think in terms of how their tasks is going to look in decades, not just next week.

Thanks for such a good example of the "thinking" of swamp denizens. We don't have to like Trump in order to not like the DC swamp and the self-important assholes that inhabit it, no matter what you may think.

See, the problem we have here is the "experienced professionals" have been doing a REALLY crappy job for like 70 years and more. And this is obvious. They have to go.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2020 12:41 utc | 138

Posted by: Mina | Nov 14 2020 9:23 utc | 133

"and that he was even charged of numbering the corpses after they had been tortured."

Hey, those corpses are valuable, you have to be meticulous with your inventory of corpses.

Every time I hear one of these baroque propaganda narratives, I start wondering about the people who think them up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2020 12:47 utc | 139

Trump is persona non grata, invisible, yesterday's news.

The main story at Reuters right at this moment is:

"Three states urge against travel amid virus spike"

The subtext under the headline is also the lead paragraph in the linked article:

"President-elect Joe Biden's top coronavirus adviser said there were no plans for a wholesale nationwide lockdown to curb the surging COVID-19 pandemic, while three U.S. West Coast states jointly called for a halt in non-essential travel."

President Donald Trump is first mentioned in paragraph 10 of the article and not as President Donald Trump but as the defeated Republican President.

"The country’s patchwork of measures will likely remain intact after Biden is inaugurated on Jan. 20 following his election defeat of Republican President Donald Trump, the head of the Democrat’s coronavirus advisory board said."

President Donald Trump appears two more times in the article, not as "President Trump" but only as "Trump".

Posted by: librul | Nov 14 2020 13:28 utc | 140

@140

For the sake of archiving here is the link to the Reuters article, the current main story at Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/biden-aide-says-no-u-s-wide-covid-lockdown-planned-as-west-coast-states-advise-against-travel-idUSKBN27T2GL

Posted by: librul | Nov 14 2020 13:40 utc | 141

#128 Sunny Runny Burger

"Closing down the two in LA could be enough to cripple the US economy, then add NY&NJ and set the Gulf of Mexico on fire (or add nixing the South Louisiana and Houston ports). GPS spoofing could be enough to do it all by way of ship collisions and ramming harbors, at least the ones with super post-panamax cranes or stuff that goes "boom" :P"

There is a complication with the strategy of targeting ports -- some (all?) of them are under the protection of ..er...another trans-Atlantic organization... based definitely in the NY&NJ port area (https://www.panynj.gov/port-authority/en/wtc.html), as well as in certain parts of southern Europe.

One of their members (if you believe such rumors, and I do), Dominic LeBlanc, is an elected MP in Canada (on Twitter, @DLeBlancNB). He is currently Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs and President of the Queen’s Privy Council of Canada.

So. Probably, the ports are not such an easy target.

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 14 2020 14:12 utc | 142

"A mob of people who loudly decry war are presented with the notion that just once maybe some peace could happen..."

Why can't we all just get along?!? [sob]

But the colorless flying pigs will never be found anywhere other than the imaginations of the delusional. There are concrete reasons for why the empire is pursuing war and cannot stop, and those reasons have nothing to do with Trump. Those reasons cannot be changed by an election. In fact, Trump held war at bay for four years, and whether that was intentional, or through incompetent leadership of the empire on Trump's part, or Trump's bumbling interfering with imperial plans is irrelevant.

This is the essence of philosophical "Idealism". If we all just believe hard enough and in the same direction then reality will reconfigure itself with the colorless flying pigs of peace. This is the foundation of middle class neoliberal ideology. They are granted the "privilege" of being so disconnected from objective reality by dint of the fact that their occupations are social constructs distant from the productive processes that keep humanity alive. One's occupation defines one's relationship to reality because it forms the basis of people's true identities (as opposed to the imaginary ones that people can change like clothing).

Such people view capitalism (market economics) as an inescapable natural law, like gravity. As such it is inconceivable to them that market forces are to blame for violence or for some people becoming fantastically wealthy while others suffer in poverty. Instead it must be people's ideas and thoughts that elevate some and immiserate others. It is the thoughts of imaginary "deplorable" working class racists that condemn certain subsets of the population to poverty and mean existence in crime-filled impoverished neighborhoods, not the market forces that render those people's labor worthless. It is the failure of people in the general population to imagine peace that causes wars, not the life-and-death fight over markets and resources among powerful economic interests that result in international violence.

In other words, it is all in your head. The middle class neoliberal can change the immediate physical conditions of their existence simply by willing it to be so, and so in their understanding it must be the same for everyone. They just have to dispense more or less of these little pieces of paper and the conditions of their lives change. The quantity of the little pieces of paper that the market allots to the middle class is unrelated to their productive effort, thus to them it is the will and the desire that is important to change the world, not effort.

One of the benefits of the global decline in capitalist profit rates is that the cost of the luxury to the elites of maintaining the middle class as insulation from the masses becomes unbearable to those elites and they do as capitalists always do: cut costs. Globally the liberal middle class is a dying breed. For example, it is not the "deplorables" who are the declining demographic in the United States, but rather the delusional middle class. Working class people always become "deplorable" regardless of their skin tone. This is because their core identity arises from their occupation, and that identity is one in which their labor is intimately tied to the tangible value of what they produce with their labor. This forces them to be philosophical "Materialists", whether they choose to give it much thought or not.

So the neoliberal middle class ideology of a Tinkerbell reality is dying in the West. It is losing its ability to define the societal norm on the power of its adherents economic position in society. As a result the elites are maneuvering society such that this metaphysical ideology can be sustained through the power of law. "Identity sensitivity training" will become mandatory across society, but the problems that the delusional middle class attribute to racism and bigotry will continue (because The Market still defines human relations, stupid!). They will then pursue legal penalties for perceived violations of the recommendations in the "identity sensitivity training". Since that training deals entirely with things occurring within people's heads (thoughts), punishment for thoughtcrimes will become institutionalized and commonplace.

After all, how else can you force the "deplorables" to imagine peace and harmony along with the "good people" in order to make that dream a reality?

The ideology of the middle class is fascism. They are just pursuing it with the best of intentions.

Materialists, on the other hand, are not moaning about how Biden/Harris/PNAC winning a fraudulent election represents an "opportunity for peace". We're not that stupid or delusional.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2020 14:13 utc | 143

For those who click on the link in comment 142, this link to Larry Silverstein on Wikipedia might be of interest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

Posted by: Quasi Retired anonym | Nov 14 2020 14:22 utc | 144

@Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2020 14:13 utc | 143

Yeah...all right, but Trump will not save the working class...in any case he is fighting for his account balance...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 14:41 utc | 145

H.Schmatz @145

I rather doubt anyone who lobs a Molotov cocktail ever views that Molotov cocktail as their Savior. They might be disappointed when it doesn't do as much damage as they had hoped, but they hardly worship it or anything.

People with TDS damage really need to adjust how they view "Trumpists". The comic book version in their heads is not very useful.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2020 14:50 utc | 146

@143 gruff

Dare I utter Marxist musings.

Yes, there is quite the gap in production between those on the low-end who produce and for those who manage and administer the system of production in non-production offices.

I picture a factory of workers of the ground level.

To the side of the floor and up several stories is a large windowed-office looking down on the workers. The blinds are always drawn. There are no stairs along the side of the wall which climb to this office. We see no one, not even a shadow, and haven't for quite some time.

Coastal elites are rendering the purchase power of our meager wages even more useless. It is a fact.

And yet we still toil.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 14 2020 14:57 utc | 147

From Jimmy Dore recently:

BIDEN's Cabinet Looking WORSE Than Expected!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BusmxznLDOo

Posted by: gm | Nov 14 2020 15:12 utc | 148

National Security, that's the ticket. Step hard on everybody else in the world. Only Washington can assure it, and it takes a lot of money. . .But...Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 15:30 utc | 149

Posted by: elkern | Nov 13 2020 18:06 utc | 61

Various types of creatures that collectively "rule". The concept of "deep state" is based on a supposition that there exists something more, a hidden power that is not listed. "Who controls the British Crown, who keeps metric system down? We do! We do!" (find it on youtube, really funny). But there are symptoms of collecting and unleashing power that give credence to those funny notions. I will elaborate some examples later.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 14 2020 15:33 utc | 150

So how do you propose that China will break US submarine blockade of the Indian Ocean, where most of China's SLOCs pass?

Posted by: Passer by | Nov 13 2020 21:34 utc | 96

This would destroy international trade as we know it, throwing the economies of most countries into a tailspin. There are other models to conduct trade, like "clearing", a method to perform bilateral barter between countries, so in ten years or so the economies would adapt, but elites that would be seen as responsible would loose legitimacy/popular support. Think about the aftermath of WWI. And this is an optimistic variant, with no nuclear winter.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 14 2020 15:43 utc | 151


“We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there."

Jeffrey was always a part of the 'deep state' that tried to sabotage Trump's policies.

This looks like a rather pathetic attempt to paint Trump as a victim. The number of troops in Syria has always been irrelevant. The core question of the issue is why there were any troops there at all!

Trump had a simple binary choice: Withdraw all troops. Or continue his illegal occupation of Syria. His choice was clear.

This bit of media "spin" wants to draw artificial distinctions between degrees of rape ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2020 15:49 utc | 152

From Jimmy Dore recently:

BIDEN's Cabinet Looking WORSE Than Expected!
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I am happy that Trump will be booted out, mostly that ruling cliques tend to get worse over time, an unfriendly change in power may uncover dirty laundry and introduce some good ideas that may pass the chaos of the transition. Overton window should become wider.

But to be surprised by the looks and resumes of the candidates to the new Administration, if sincere, brings me the image of a girls heart broken by the failure of her first love at the age of 12. Is there a three-headed Cerberus or a Dullahan? If I had to wager between those two, I would predict a Dullahan (dull, no brain). But this is the time of gender balancing, so no Cabinet would be complete without some Harpies or un-gendered Slimes.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 14 2020 16:02 utc | 153

China is working diligently on alternatives to broaden its SLOC in and around the Indo-Pacific. Included: The Thai Canal, Pakistan's Gwadar port, rail through Kazakhstan and Russia to Germany, also through Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria to the Med, energy from Russia, renewable energy, etc.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 16:03 utc | 154

Regarding troops in Syria, Afghanistan and elsewhere, nobody seems interested in the number of MERCENARIES that the United States has posted in these countries. In Afghanistan alone, they are reckoned at at between 12,000 and 14,000.

As for Trump not starting any new wars: he did not have to, for Obama left him with nine, plus all sorts of "overseas insurgency operations". The historian and journalist Nick Turse has worked hard to document these, although one would never know by referring to the corporate media.

Trump outpaced Obama in drone strikes overall and in civilians deaths and general destruction in Yemen.

Posted by: RJPRJ | Nov 14 2020 16:03 utc | 155

Geraldi had an eye-catcher (for me) in his SST comment:

Neocons Poised to Join New Government by Phil Geraldi. . .Even though the NeverTrumper neocons did not succeed in blocking Donald Trump in 2016, they have been maintaining relevancy by slowly drifting back towards the Democratic Party, which is where they originated back in the 1970s in the office of the Senator from Boeing Henry “Scoop” Jackson. A number of them started their political careers there, to include leading neocon Richard Perle.. .here

Jackson was President Jimmy Carter's worst nightmare on getting anything done (later to be joined by Ted Kennedy). Trump didn't have to deal with the likes of a Scoop Jackson. . .But Trump did make stupid appointments in his administration, like all those generals, Bolton, Jeffries, etc.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 16:14 utc | 156

@143 William Gruff

Wow! That's some crazy convolution! You know what your problem is, sore loser?: You can't communicate to the common man.

I have no illusions where Biden is concerned, and knowing how defective the political system is, even less hope in that regard.

Here's the thing though. We have been subjected with Trump to the most corrupt political specimen imaginable in this modern democracy; a man who grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, and never had to sacrifice anything, a man with serious unresolved daddy issues, who is a bully, shallow and self-absorbed; a grifter by nature, but most importantly, a man who brings out the worst in society and elevates ignorance, apathy and depravity.

On the other side, you have a man who is politically fallible, BUT, who personally has been through the mill of life more than once.

Myself, having been ground in that same mill on multiple occasions, know the super-human effort it takes to rise again each time after that kind of beating and keep on living every day with unimaginable pain and loss that never dissipates.

So speaking for myself and others like me, that experience, makes you hunger for humanity in others; hunger for respect and a society that values compassion and awareness, and of course, it makes you no-nonsense tough.

For people like myself, Trump is an enabler of a society in moral decline, therefore he's a threat to human evolution and ridding such an individual of the power to further corrupt was a moral and existential imperative.

Politics aside, Biden, whom I recognize for his own great human loss is at least the reset back to...DECENCY, and that for starters is all that matters for this moment. All I cared about was Trump gone. Yes, I know, in the face of others like him who worship his mantra, I'm not quite so decent myself, and fight fire with fire, but I believe I earned the right to torpedo the enemy with their own artillery!

NemesisCalling

And you think Mar-a-Lago Trump was the working class hero's HERO? Oy...🙄

Posted by: Circe | Nov 14 2020 16:16 utc | 157

Related to the recently published by NYT quite delayed "leak" by Israeli intelligence on the killling of AQ second in command in Iranian soil this past summer, absolutely debunked by Iranian officials, how this comes to fit perfectly with Trumps´recent appointees to Pentagon and how it is him who is pushing towards direct war on Iran to condition next presidency foreign policy on behalf of the MIC...

Trump’s Pentagon shuffle suggests either no more wars… or just one with Iran

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 16:17 utc | 158

from Stars and Stripes:
Defense Secretary Miller signals troop drawdown ahead: 'All wars must end'

WASHINGTON (Tribune News Service) — President Donald Trump's new defense secretary signaled to the military in a late Friday message that he may be there to carry out one of the president's early campaign promises, an overseas drawdown of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"This is the critical phase in which we transition our efforts from a leadership to supporting role," acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller said in a memo obtained by McClatchy. "We are not a people of perpetual war — it is the antithesis of everything for which we stand and for which our ancestors fought. All wars must end."
Trump in a tweet Monday had announced Miller as the replacement for fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 16:21 utc | 159

@ H.Schmatz # 158
Trump’s Pentagon shuffle suggests either no more wars… or just one with Iran
Rachel Marsden, columnist, political strategist and host of an independently produced French-language program that airs on Sputnik France doesn't know what she's talking about, so why quote her?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 16:25 utc | 160

@ circe

If reductio ad hitlerum is a fallacy that you dabble in frequently, so too do many here dabble in the fallacy of the all-powerful working-class leftist who can defeat the establishment merely by showing up and touting reform to bring the estab to heel.

I don't know yet what that fallacy should be called, but suffice to say that there are many posters who claim DJT isn't working against the estab because he didn't see to this pet project or that, etc.

As it stands, everything points to DJT being supremely hated by the establishment so much so that they are literally removing any traces of his blight upon the duopoly from the pages of the msm and social media right now.

They are praying the DJT phenomenon will not continue.

History will propel it forward. I am certain of this.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 14 2020 16:26 utc | 161

The NYT article comes one day after France boasts of having killed an important AQ commander in Mali (after a bunch of terrorist attacks they need such announcements for their PR).
And guess what country Pompeo is visiting first...

Posted by: Mina | Nov 14 2020 16:29 utc | 162

Some cabinet full of old glories. Some Susan Rice considers an insult the nomination of the Queen of Chaos to be the US ambassador to the UN, the Queen of Chaos deserves to be nominated for Empress of the Galaxy, I imagine.

But just last Thursday I read in the news, 74 drowned off the coast of Libya, so the Queen of Chaos should’ve said: we came, we saw, they drowned, and then go to the opera or some gala dinner with the silk shirt wearing philosopher BHL. Congratulations Circe, you won, the world keeps on losing.

Posted by: Paco | Nov 14 2020 16:34 utc | 163

"Current and former administration officials say Trump fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper Monday in part over his opposition to accelerating troop drawdowns worldwide, and especially in Afghanistan. "
MY COMMENT: Of course Trump and his ilk want troop withdrawal from Afghanistân and also to kick out the CIA -- in order to replace them with private mercanary soldiers to take over the opium refineries or at least the profits from refining opium to even harder narcotic drugs and export those products to all over what remains of the Yankee doodle empire.

Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐 | Nov 14 2020 16:55 utc | 164

I give up arguing that Biden won the election, the truth is that Trump won the election but had it stolen from him because of the deep state. The only thing left for MAGA supporters is to launch mortar attacks on Washington DC and other govt buildings.

Ballots mailed on Monday but didn't arrive until Wed were counted in PA. The fix was in.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Nov 14 2020 17:02 utc | 165

Trump atty (and Georgia resident) Lin Wood files suit against Uniparty RINO Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger yesterday.

Lin Wood Files Lawsuit Challenging Georgia’s Secretary of State’s Dark Unconstitutional Agreement with Hillary Attorney Marc Elias

On March 6, 2020 the Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, signed off on a secret legal agreement with the Democratic Party of Georgia, the Democrat Senatorial Campaign Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee to alter absentee ballot procedures in Georgia. The Democrats’ attorney for this secret deal was Marc Elias from Perkins Coie, the consigliere of Hillary Clinton who has been busy managing other secretive Democratic election operations all across the country. (In Appendix A of Lin Wood filing yesterday is a copy of the agreement – See below.)

Posted by: gm | Nov 14 2020 17:46 utc | 166

And there is this:

"On Friday Rep. Louie Gohmert told Chris Salcedo on Newsmax that people on the ground in Germany report that Scytl, which hosted elections data improperly through Spain, was raided by a large US ARMY force and their servers were seized in Frankfurt."

Scytl Company Website Crashes – Company Reportedly Released Statement, Refuting Reports of US Raid in Germany

Lin Wood (tweet)
@LLinWood
·
16h
Biden & his criminal cronies are not going to sleep well tonight. Well, Biden might because he probably forgot the name Scytl.

His co-conspirators know name well. They also know the name Paragon, company which purchased Scytl in 10/20.

Every will be revealed.

Posted by: gm | Nov 14 2020 17:58 utc | 167

@Posted by: Tollef Ås/秋涛乐 | Nov 14 2020 16:55 utc | 164

Indeed,by the kind of people taking over for last weeks at Pentagon for Trumps adminsitration, it seems some fight amongst mafia families..

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 18:58 utc | 168

@Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 18:58 utc | 168

To see if now Trumpsters leave it a that on the old rollo "Trump is going to drain the swamp definitely, this time for sure you will see, and save bankruptying working class from misery", when what he is doing is saving himself from personal bankruptcy or future lawsuits, by taking over fro a while the spoils in Afghanistan and Syria from CIA collectors...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 19:02 utc | 169

@Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 14 2020 16:21 utc | 159

Well, yo need to end some wars so as to start others, to the risk of oversttretching yourself in the fatermath of a pandemic and its resulting economic meltdown.

Notice that Pentagon budget has been increased, and most important, that two new wars have just started in these past two days, one in Ethiopia, and another just at the borders of Europe, at Morocco...

Looking for new lands to loot?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 19:07 utc | 170

A video of Biden in the former USSR has resurfaced. He is stating with his undeniable charm ( real or performed...he has, or at least had...) "we regret leaving so soon"...

I post to the risk of Pat Lang starting a new crusade on "Biden the Bolshevik as POTUS", as he sees Bolsheviks even under the sheets..

"We are sorry to leave so soon": why did Joe Biden visit the USSR in the middle of the Cold War?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 19:33 utc | 171

@161NemesisCalling

Oh bruuther, thick as melasses that skull of yours. Trump is hated period! For good reason. Not because the establishment hates him too we should all stop believing our own eyes and him telling us exactly who he is, not believe him too!

So they're still serving up the K...K...K koolaid in the Trump KKK-kult huh?

Posted by: Circe | Nov 14 2020 19:57 utc | 172

@62: Russian engineering and Chinese manufacturing, that is the winning combination. And the US has been pushing Russia and China in each others' arms.

A simple example: imagine you're an engineer at a Russian Design Bureau, part of a team designing the next radar for Russian fighter jets. How would your outlook change if you're told the manufacturing is going to happen on the same production lines that churn out iphones?

Posted by: passerby | Nov 14 2020 20:18 utc | 173

@103: About Chinese ic manufacturing.

I feel you are distinguishing too much between Taiwan - the ic manufacturing powerhouse of the world - and China - assembly of said chips. They're the same people, and in blocking Taiwanese sales to China the US has managed to give them an incentive to develop their own technology.

Posted by: passerby | Nov 14 2020 20:29 utc | 174

@Nemmesicalling. Dont bother w the boards biggest Trump fan. (Immitation is the most sincere form of flattery Circe) Its not interested in any semblance of discussion. All it wants it to SHOVE its version of truth down anyone throat that tries to talk to it. It belittles bullies and bulshits any who dont agree 110% with it. Best ways to deal w it are 1. Ignore (this is the best route) 2, If u cant do #1 then treat it like it does others. Heres an example.

HEY CIRCE NO ONE CARES SO F===O==A==D==

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 14 2020 21:59 utc | 175

The remainder of the Lavrov press conference transcript is now posted. The last entry is a detailed response to Russian-Outlaw US Empire relations during Trump's tenure that could easily be expanded into a much longer essay. I chose the following excerpt:

"The US doctrines have dramatically lowered the nuclear threshold. They are creating low-yield nuclear weapons that can be used in a pre-emptive strike as a battlefield weapon. It is an extremely dangerous turn of events. US doctrines define outer space and cyberspace as battlefields. All of this should be discussed. This is much more important than the number of tactical nuclear warheads. A warhead is not important in itself. It only has a meaning when there is a delivery vehicle and a doctrine that can allow the use of this vehicle. This is what we would like to discuss.

"If the United States is honest about this and is ready to abandon its one-way street approach, it should accept our invitation. We strongly hope that the US administration, no matter who sits in the White House, will accept its share of responsibility for strategic stability, including in light of extremely negative trends: the destruction of everything we created and inability to create an equally comprehensive new document." [My Emphasis]

We'll know soon enough if the Outlaw US Empire flips its longstanding behavior and becomes "honest." As Lavrov earlier emphasized, such negotiations and the treaties they produce are for the good of the entire world. We well know the Russians love their children too, but what of those within the Outlaw US Empire and its NATO vassals--do they love their children too, or is $$$$ all they card about?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2020 22:48 utc | 176

H.Schmatz | Nov 14 2020 19:33 utc | 171

"I post to the risk of Pat Lang starting a new crusade on "Biden the Bolshevik as POTUS", as he sees Bolsheviks even under the sheets.."

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/11/httpsthefederalistcom20200922mask-fanatics-have-officially-abandoned-science-to-control-your-life.html#comments

Let's the battle of the Covidiots and the Covidians begin.

SST has become a hangout for the extremist rights. Too bad.


Posted by: TonyL | Nov 15 2020 0:48 utc | 177

@ Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 14 2020 4:30 utc | 131

Jeg kan snakke Dansk. Norwegian is very similar. You didn't answer my question. Thanks, that's fine. Just wondered if you're really a person living in Norge.

Posted by: suzan | Nov 15 2020 1:42 utc | 178

Seems legacy media isn't willing to cover anything that allows United States citizens to understand we are no longer running the show. The value of the dollar is directly tied to how many times it changes hands, and it looks like it isn't going to be changing hands so much any more if Asia becomes more self-contained and only sees US market as a nice to have, not a necessity.

Posted by: Oliver | Nov 15 2020 7:18 utc | 179

Sure, I hear your point. America could ramp up production too, right?

Wrong.

It is not so simple. Industrial capacity is more than just Rosie-the-Riveter can-do spirit. It is supply chains, and much of the steel in the Virginian class subs is actually made in China. Ramping up production isn't just about adding a couple more assembly lines at Newport News shipyard, you also need steel mills, and active mines to supply those mills, and so on. There is also the skilled labor needed. How many kids do you know hoping to become master machinists or welders? Can you think of even one? That supply chain pipeline takes YEARS to fill.

The point here is that you will never be able to sink China's destroyers faster than they can build them, but China will definitely be able to sink America's subs faster than they can be replaced.

You cannot just hand-wave away the massive difference in industrial capacity. That is decisive in any war. We don't even have to delve into the tech advantages (China produces an order of magnitude more STEM grads than does the US) to see how ANY major conflict between the US and China will end.

It is all fine and good to masturbate over how wonderful one imagine's the US empire to be, but an occasional visit to reality is advised.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 14 2020 0:18 utc | 110

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Since we're doing "reality" vs fantasy, keep in mind War Nerd's writings on the uselessness of Naval forces when large modern military powers start shooting at each other. Naval forces , no matter how modern, simply have little or no defence against modern missile technology

Any battle in either the Taiwan Straits or the S China Sea will be decided by who has the better missiles, not who has the most floating targets. That's all ships from either side would be in such a scenario: easily taken out floating targets.

The US certainly has the industrial capacity to produce as many missiles as it needs to wipe out any floating targets the Chinese are foolish enough to send out to certain destruction in a shooting war.

And vice versa for the Chinese. They too have the industrial capacity to produce as many missiles as they might need.

All that remains to be determined is "who has the better missiles?" Who's targeting systems are the most accurate? Which side has the most effective and efficient delivery methods?


Imho China will certainly be able to hold their own, to a draw at least, in that scenario.

And a draw would equal a win for China, in propaganda and perception terms

Posted by: Triden | Nov 15 2020 15:53 utc | 180

You need aviation for ASW and China won't be able to have that in good numbers both deep in the Pacific or in the Indian Ocean.

For that, China will need a lot of bases across the world oceans it currently does not have.


Posted by: Passer by | Nov 14 2020 0:55 utc | 114

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It depends on location.

More necessary than avaition is good combination of accurate long-range radar and accurate timely satellite surveillance.

I presume China has both, especially covering both Taiwan Straits and Sth China Sea.

China also has demonstrated capability for satellite take downs, as I'm sure does US.

So long-range radar would be crucial. China would probably have the edge there given that's it's land mass is close enough that radar ops could be managed effecively when satellite's get taken out by US

Posted by: Triden | Nov 15 2020 16:05 utc | 181

180 &181

In other words: red hot naval battles between US and China in either Taiwan Straits or Sth China Sea very unlikely to ever happen due to it being mostly a lose/lose situation.

Both powers would lose whatever floating targets they sent out, so why bother getting kinetic?

Posted by: Triden | Nov 15 2020 16:15 utc | 182

Triden @180: "Imho China will certainly be able to hold their own, to a draw at least, in that scenario."

Yes, that is the nature of the Thucydides Trap. The declining power must win decisively to survive. The ascending power only needs to survive to win decisively.

There are a couple issues overlooked here, though. America's subs and supercarriers might be difficult to sink, but islands are even more difficult to sink.

The other issue is the one I was focusing on in my post. Triden points out "That's all ships from either side would be in such a scenario: easily taken out floating targets."

Very true, but the side that still has floating targets left over when the shooting stops is the winner. The US simply does not have the capacity to manufacture more floating targets in the time frame of such a conflict (one to two years) nor does it have the ability to increase production to any significant degree. China, on the other hand, can crank out more floating targets at a pace like their production of iPhones. They are not going to run out of floating targets.

Please do also try to keep in mind that China has no intention of nor need for global force projection. Even if the US empire were to wipe out all (to push the point to the ludicrous extreme) of China's floating targets that would not be a "Game over!" scenario for them. Annoying and embarrassing, perhaps, but not the end of China. Taking out a couple of the empire's carrier groups and a half dozen Virginia class attack subs (a extremely conservative guess as to the empire's losses in a year-long effort to blockade China), on the other hand, would end the empire's thalassocratic hegemony for a good long time... likely permanently. The empire is fading and cannot afford any significant losses, and no losses is far too much to expect if the empire tries to choke China with a kinetic blockade.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 15 2020 18:01 utc | 183

"...recent study by RAND Corporation, the Pentagon think tank, titled Regional Responses to US-China Competition in the Indo-Pacific lists Japan, Australia and India as Washington’s only allies and partners over whom it can confidently claim to have “more diplomatic and military influence than China”. "

https://indianpunchline.com/indias-farewell-to-asean-as-it-boards-rcep-train/

Posted by: davenitup | Nov 15 2020 18:10 utc | 184

Triden @182: "Both powers would lose whatever floating targets they sent out, so why bother getting kinetic?"

The US doesn't have a choice. As M. K. Bhadrekumar points out in the post linked by davenitup above, the US doesn't have the economic or diplomatic pull to interfere with the growth of China's influence in the region. That leaves the US with only the military option if the empire is to retain its hegemony. The US must attack militarily to defend its empire. There are no longer any other options for the empire.

On the other hand, China can absorb the losses if it forces the US military out of the region. Clearly the Chinese would prefer a peaceful (diplomatic or economic) resolution to the impasse as that overwhelmingly favors them, but they are not the ones who will be rejecting that peaceful resolution. The empire will attack China because the empire has no choice if it is to remain an empire. The Chinese are aware of that and are making arrangements to minimize the empire's ability to target China's mainland civilian infrastructure and population.

Sure, the fight will be lose-lose. China will lose materiel and personnel, but will escape the Thucydides Trap. America will come out ahead in most of the engagements, but will lose its empire. If you look beyond the raw numbers of ships lost, that ends up as a win for China.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 15 2020 19:30 utc | 185

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