Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 6, 2020
Why Trump Returned To The White House

Yesterday President Donald Trump revealed this interesting re-election strategy:


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This is a Hail Mary strike taken at high personal risk.

Trump was certainly not well enough to get released from the hospital.

It is not really known when Trump got infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and when he fell ill with Covid-19. The treatments his doctors said they used with him are somewhat conflicting. After Trump was diagnosed with Covid-19 he was given a high dose of monoclonal antibodies which directly attack the virus and lessen the overall growth of viruses. The antiviral drug remdesivir which lowers virus RNA production was also given:

[I]t would seem that if you’re going to give monoclonal antibodies, that they would be best given early in the course of the disease, when therapy is still in antiviral mode. The addition of a five-day course of remdesivir to the treatment regimen fits that as well: both of these are designed to lower the amount of virus present and (in theory) keep the disease from progressing to a more severe stage.

Both therapies make most sense in the first phase of a virus infection when it is still only in the upper part of the respiratory system. In that phase the normal immune system is still building up its defenses. But Trump seems to have already been in the second phase of the infection where the virus is in the lungs and when the immune system starts to attack the body. He at least twice had too little oxygen in his blood likely without feeling it. This "happy hypoxemia" is typical for Covid-19:

The adequacy of gas exchange is primarily determined by the balance between pulmonary ventilation and capillary blood flow, referred as ventilation/perfusion (V/Q) matching. In the initial phase of COVID-19, several mechanisms contribute to the development of arterial hypoxemia, without a concomitant increase in work of breathing. Rapid clinical deterioration may occur.

At that stage Trump was brought to the Walter Reed hospital and began the antiviral therapy. But his illness must have worsened. After his second day in the hospital his doctors announced that he had been given the corticosteroid dexamethasone:

[The] severe stage shows up as an overactive immune response leading to the well-known “cytokine storm”, and potentially big trouble. It really looks like the best therapy we have for that at the moment is dexamethasone. So I found it interesting – and not in a good way – that the president’s medical team had actually put him on dexamethasone, because its mode of action is to damp down the inflammation response. And if a person is still in the early stages of infection, that’s the opposite of what you want to do.

The doctors also said that Trump's chest CT showed what they 'expected' without describing what that was. It likely means that the virus had started to attack the lungs:

Due to increased lung edema (leading to ground-glass opacities and consolidation on chest imaging), loss of surfactant and superimposed pressure, alveolar collapse ensues and a substantial fraction of the cardiac output is perfusing non-aerated lung tissue, resulting in intrapulmonary shunting.

That increased the need to give additional oxygen and to start with the anti-inflammatory steroid.


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If the disease can not be stopped at that point, the next dangerous consequences, small blood clots (microthrombi) are likely to occur. Trump will have to take some kind of blood thinner to prevent those from causing a stroke.

No sane doctor would at that point release a patient from the hospital.

But Trump wanted to be back in the White House. He calculated that he needs to show that the virus can be beaten.

He has no other chance to win the election. The people rightly believe that he screwed up the U.S. response to the pandemic. Even older voters who voted for Trump in 2016 are now saying that will vote against him:

In a recent Washington Post-ABC poll, 52 percent of likely voters over 65 supported Biden, compared with 47 percent for President Trump. Four years ago, Trump won those voters over Hillary Clinton.

Trump was warned of this early on. As Tomas Pueyo wrote back in April:

The older you are, the more likely you are to both vote Republican and die from the coronavirus. Voters aged 80+ are 80 times more likely to die from the coronavirus than those under 40 (16% fatality rate vs. ~0.2%).

This effect is strong enough that people who voted for Trump in the 2016 election are around 30% more likely to die from the coronavirus than Democrats. In some swing states from the 2016 election, such as Pennsylvania, if the coronavirus were to run wild, this effect alone could have wiped out up to 30% of the gap between Republicans and Democrats in the 2016 election.

Trump can no longer convince the voters, especially the older ones, that he did everything to protect them from the virus. What he probably still can do is to convince them that it does not matter because the virus can be beaten.

To do that Trump had to make himself the showcase.

I do not want to suggest that Trump intentionally infected himself. But he did pretty much everything one should not do if one wants to prevent that.

Trump is relatively old, he has additional risk factors and despite that he now can say that he has beaten the virus. Should nothing further happen to him there is no way that anyone can doubt that.

His real message in this White House video is: "I have beaten it. You can beat it. The virus does not really matter. Just carry on."

That message, in various variants, will now get repeated every day. Some people will start to believe it and it may indeed help Trump to win the upcoming election.

There are risks in that strategy. Some of those who recently got infected in the White House may die. That would lead to accusations that Trump has caused that by being careless.

Another risk, and a personal one that Trump is taking, is the fact that he has not yet beaten the virus. He may still need oxygen. His lungs are still impacted and will take many weeks to heal. This virus is insidious. There is a risk that there will be some kind of relapse or complication that will need additional treatment in Walter Reed. The White House is equipped for medical emergencies but not for the intensive care that often follows. Should Trump need to go back into the hospital his strategy will likely fail.

Trump will still get dexamethasone. That drug has side effects and withdrawal from it can be tricky:

  • The production of corticosteroids is controlled by a "feedback mechanism," involving the adrenal glands, the pituitary gland, and brain, known as the "hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis" (HPAA).
  • Using large doses for a few days, or smaller doses for more than two weeks, leads to a prolonged decrease in HPAA function.
  • Steroid use cannot be stopped abruptly; tapering the drug gives the adrenal glands time to return to their normal patterns of secretion.
  • Withdrawal symptoms and signs (weakness, fatigue, decreased appetite, weight loss, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain) can mimic many other medical problems. Some may be life-threatening.

It is unlikely that Trump will soon go back on the campaign trail. He can be happy if he has enough energy for the next TV debate with Joe Biden. He will probably need additional drugs to sustain it.

When the British prime minister Boris Johnson fell ill with Covid-19 his approval in the polls increased. We have not seen that effect for Trump. But the polls may be wrong. They were wrong in 2016 because many who were asked did not want to admit that they would vote for Trump. That effect may now be even stronger than it was back then.

Trump's return to the White House is sending message of confidence. It is likely that it will bring him additional votes.

By deciding to leave the hospital early Trump showed his willingness to take a significant personal risk to achieve his reelection. One may hate the bastard and still admire him for that.

Comments

So apparently Trump is “home” and recovering nicely.
Which is as most people do – they test you for it and then send you home to recover.
I am given to understand that the tests were initially and continue to be unreliable.
And as Trump advises: If you don’t look for it, you won’t find it.
And there is strong incentive for hospitals to detirmine that you have and and then to report that you died of it – so overall the data is not credible, useless even. “Statistics”.
At this point, those who wish to find it will. The science has fumbled the ball.
Real science allows a third possibility – analysis is inconclusive.
But today’s science only reports what the people paying the bill wish to hear.
Cuts two ways.
My own experience having known maybe a couple of dozen family members who have had* it (and so I suspect I have had it). The effect is generally little to none – mostly a fever (and some other minor affects such as temporary loss of smell). It did take my mom, age 95, in nursing home in the first weeks – she was languishing in bed for near two years and poor health. It gave her peace, finally. For me that is there reality.

Posted by: jared | Oct 7 2020 17:24 utc | 201

@Carld #196
The busiest North American airport for international flights? Toronto. Lots of COVID cases there…not
The 3rd busiest? Miami.
The 4th busiest? Montreal. Lots of sick Quebecois…not
Atlanta is #7
Vancouver is #9 and Houston rounds out the top 10.
New York/JFK is #2, LA is #5, Chicago #8.
So fail and fail again.
Thank you for identifying yourself as another TDS.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 7 2020 17:31 utc | 202

@vk #200
Chicago is a very important financial center as it is the primary gateway for products coming from the MidWest to the rest of the US and the world.
However, I wouldn’t call it a socialist/leftist failure so much as just a failure, period.
The sad reality is that Chicago has had more Black Lives lost in a single weekend this year than all of US law enforcement kills in multiple months. The difference is, the killers of these Black Lives are…Black.
Nor is Chicago in particular, and Illinois in general, any hallmark of good governance.
I think the present governor of Illinois is the first (so far) to not have been convicted of crime in decades.
The mayor’s office of Chicago is equally (in)famous for being a feudal fiefdom.
It is true that Chicago/Illinois is a Democrat stronghold though.
American conservative idiots incorrectly conflate the Democrat party with socialism – Democrats, at least these days, are limousine liberals presiding over a “high-low” political strategy and are as far from socialism as can possibly be imagined. Unless you mean socialism for the rich…

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 7 2020 17:38 utc | 203

jinn | Oct 7 2020 16:51 utc | 197
“Covid has done more to shut down borders and isolate popilations than anything else I can think of…Covid has also disrupted international trade and foreign direct investment.”
1. Self-evidently the elites don’t intend for this to be permanent. It was, they believe, the necessary “Great Reset” since all your international trade and foreign direct investment was on the verge of collapse. Why else do you think they used the pretext of covid to perform a controlled demolition of the global economy? Because they wanted to avoid the otherwise imminent 2008-style chaotic collapse. Beyond that they plan to use the opportunity to radically escalate the techno-totalitarian police state.
That’s not controversial. Read anything they themselves, Bill Gates and his peers and acolytes say about their goals. Read what they say about what they dub their “Fourth Industrial Revolution”. They’re quite explicit about it.
2. The things which ARE supposed to be permanently shut down:
*Anti-globalist protest and rising populism. Shutting down the Yellow Jackets has been the primary proximate purpose of France’s lockdown, for example.
*Small businesses.
*The rising movement to relocalize the production and distribution of food and other needs.
3. You cultists tell plenty of lies and expose your bad faith in many ways. I’ll note one of the most common, which you express here: “Covid has done more to shut down… Covid has also disrupted…”
Um, “covid” has done nothing. Only your terrorist propaganda and lockdowns have done anything. No society was forced to do any of that. There were always alternatives. If you cultists are so morally confident in your position, if you have such a good conscience about it, why do the lot of you systematically, deliberately lie like this?
4. As for isolating populations, the ultimate goal is to eradicate all cultural difference once and for all, to isolate all of humanity on a monocultural global basis, wipe all of human experience clean and then write on the blank slate nothing but the new Death Cult religion as a universal lockstep. That’s also the core purpose of the maskism ideology. Along with being an exercise in demanding (anti-)social conformity, it’s supposed to be the new uniform literally erasing the human face itself, with the face’s threat of expressing an underlying soul. Dreary communist regimes with unisex overall uniforms were only a mild precursor to this.
“If all the evidence did not contradict your claims, you might be taken more seriously.”
If the likes of you were capable of answering even a single one of my claims such as detailed in the linked piece, you might be taken more seriously and not as the inert authoritarian follower that is passively spoon-fed all his “information” by the TV news, which is what you clearly are.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 7 2020 17:39 utc | 204

Circe and clue and vk
I am sitting here in Illinois. First Illinois did absolutely nothing in February and March. Nothing at all. The supposed lockdown just not that strict and not that enforced. Yes, small businesses are largely wiped out. Yes, we have a lot of mask cultism. But locked down? Hardly. It’s a joke.
So we did well? Just look at the stats from IDPH or Cook County DPH. That’s doing well? Of course you would not want to take the numbers at face value. Data collection and management is at leas as bad as anywhere else. Now that the big lump of deaths from early in the pandemic is over, and now that everywhere else has had time to catch up we look sort of average. And anybody watching the daily antics of Lightfoot and Pritzker would know they were just as inept and clueless as Cuomo and De Blasio.
World financial center? Take a walk in the emptiness of downtown and tell me about that. No one is sure that anything at all is coming back. Population continues to leave.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 7 2020 17:53 utc | 205

@ Russ | Oct 7 2020 16:14 utc | 195.. i don’t see or refer to it as a ”terror -lockdown assault” myself… we do see this differently and i think some of it has to do with the different countries we live in perhaps…. but i am curious in regards the links you shared @ 197, do you think it is good that covid is upending the continued economic priorities on the planet, or bad?? this is a serious question… personally i think this real, or imagined covid dynamic is a net positive in regards a temporary stop in the economic activity that doesn’t serve the majority of people anyway..
regarding your post @204, personally i think if it wasn’t covid, it would be something else.. and i think we are going to increasingly see dynamics that affect the planet that are not within the control of the 1% as well.. ultimately i am optimistic that nature will put the brakes on what people, especially those driven by money only, are incapable of doing… i don’t think this is a bad thing.. it would be nice if we could do it ourselves, but we don’t seem to have reached this collective place yet and continue to be ruled by a predatory class… i am hopeful this will not continue forever…
i would also like to see more local solutions to things.. people supporting local farmers and etc. etc.. i suppose i am pretty antiquated in my thinking… although i do think pandemics, aren’t plandemics, i am not personally feeling like it is a terror-lockdown, although i am sure some are….

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:02 utc | 206

@195 C1ue-less
1) INTERNATIONAL flights dum-dum–somehow I don’t see mamma from Calabria flying into Atlanta, unless she got the wrong directions to Brooklyn, NY.
2) WRONG AGAIN. GDP has everything to do with it. New York and Chicago have the highest hospitality industry in the country and New York, San Francisco CA and San Jose CA have the greatest number of bars and restaurants per capita.
3) I don’t give a rat’s ass about the population! We’re talking businesses shutting permanently.
The hospitality industry i.e hotels, air lines, b&b’s, restaurants, bars etc. are the most affected businesses and New York and Chicago are at the top of the hospitality industry and California for bars and restaurants as well. Texas, not so much. Only Florida out of the red states you mentioned competes in hospitality, but that’s ONE purple state; you can’t really call it Red anymore…Texas is Red; but not for much longer…😉
Anyway, your theory is bupkis cause you’re trying to compare apples to oranges. Texas and Georgia are not the hospitality centres of the U.S., or receiving the highest number of International flights, hence they did not suffer the highest casualties and business closures. Again, you can only make your case with one purple state, Florida. And you have nothing to brag about with that states Covid and closure statistics even if it were legitimately Red. A Republican governor does not always a Red State make. De Santis made some pretty stupid, irresponsible moves.
Sayonara.
Spare me your ad homs and biased quackery and don’t waste my time on your crappy argument further.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 7 2020 18:04 utc | 207

The assertion that Sweden has achieved herd immunity is false. They are way, way short of such a state. The second wave of infections can now be detected in the case trends.
There is so many utterly false assertions being made about cov-19 — it is just like the flu and masks don’t work are obviously the most dangerous ones.

Posted by: ToivoS | Oct 7 2020 18:09 utc | 208

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 7 2020 17:53 utc | 205
Poverty is essential for a healthy capitalist society. It doesn’t change the fact that Chicago is a prosperous capitalist city because of its financial sector.

Posted by: vk | Oct 7 2020 18:15 utc | 209

james | Oct 7 2020 18:02 utc | 206
“but i am curious in regards the links you shared @ 197, do you think it is good that covid is upending the continued economic priorities on the planet, or bad?? this is a serious question…”
If the socioeconomic and psychological dislocation were really to cause a mass change of consciousness against the mode of civilization dedicated to maximizing the commodity economy, that would be a great thing. But I’ve never seen any evidence of this.
The governments and institutions themselves of course have zero such intent. On the contrary they’re planning to use the opportunity to render commodity globalism even leaner and meaner and more destructive.
The masses look utterly inertial and simply tumbling wherever the wind blows. No sign of agency, unless it really is true that little by little they’re starting to push back against the terror-lockdown offensive. If so that’s a good thing, though they wouldn’t be doing it for the sake of liberation from the economy. Probably more simply want to get back to normal economic as well as social life. Well, that’s not all good but the status quo ante still was much better than the threatened “new normal” which would be the worst of all possible worlds.
The committed death cultists not only couldn’t care less about economic liberation, a staple of their rhetoric is that their nightmare of permanent anti-social constriction, whip-sawing lockdowns, mandatory vaccines is the only way to get back to “growth”.
As for “leftists”, “radicals” and the rest of the frauds who previously pretended to oppose capitalism, neoliberalism, globalism, imperialism, almost all of them threw down the mask and joined the elites’ assault, all volunteering to serve as junior deputy propagandists.
Finally, the few who sincerely do dream of this terror campaign somehow bringing about a magical collective transformation don’t explain how that is supposed to happen when everyone’s so insanely terrorized they’re desperate to detach physically from their own shadows, let alone physically come together with other people. But any kind of political or social action, any kind of movement-building, requires close person-to-person contact and trust. This can’t be done where those involved feel they have so much to hide they feel the need physically to hide their faces and schematically maintain anti-social “distance” from one another.
It seems that for most erstwhile self-alleged dissidents, the fact that social media is no substitute for face-to-face organizing and group action, a fact previously acknowledged by these dissidents, is another truth recently jettisoned and replaced by its complete antithesis. And of course social media now is engaging in full-blown censorship of any anti-system discussion or attempts to organize.
Thus the terror campaign is a virus causing those it infects to abdicate all activism and all prospect for all future activism, for as long as they remain insane with the fever of this propaganda terror. Therefore I’m pessimistic that any element among the Western masses will make any serious attempt to upend the priority of the economy like you say. It’s pretty clear that the ecocidal economic civilization will continue on its present path for as long as its able, until it collapses of its own self-destruction including the destruction of its ecological basis, or Gaia forcibly destroys it.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 7 2020 18:34 utc | 210

ToivoS | Oct 7 2020 18:09 utc | 208
“There is so many utterly false assertions being made about cov-19 — it is just like the flu and masks don’t work are obviously the most dangerous ones.”
You mean like the dangerous assertions of the New England Journal of Medicine?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
“We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.”
I think one of the motivations of the cultists is simply being tired of the citizen responsibility to do their own research. It’s so much easier to sit passively in front of the cable news and be spoon-fed propaganda direct from the establishment institutions.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 7 2020 18:40 utc | 211

@ Russ | Oct 7 2020 18:34 utc | 210… thanks russ… i think something otherworldly has to happen to change things here…i tend to see covid as otherworldly, but i know some people like yourself think of it as man made and meant to help further a specific agenda… i think there will be more of this from nature and i see it as not something that people can control or address directly.. we are more at the mercy of it… i suppose i am stating my own personal perspective on all this.. i think our fate is in the hands of angels and they have a lot of work cut out for them!
regarding a change in the system, i am presently reading the pdf for michael hudsons super imperialism which was updated in 2002.. i think it sums up a lot of valuable insights on our present economic system… i can’t see it going on for forever, but instead breaking down… i would like to be optimistic.. it isn’t easy in the world today… here is a link to the pdf.. i wish michael hudson would get the book reprinted.. i don’t like reading on the internet and save most of my reading for the comment section of MOA! – https://michael-hudson.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/superimperialism.pdf

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:55 utc | 212

Re:Ciue
@Carld #196
quoting Ciue
“The busiest North American airport for international flights? Toronto. Lots of COVID cases there…not”
Beg your pardon. Thought we were talking about the good old US of A.
I guess the US has swallowed Canada up to Toronto?
Los Angeles airport has been the one where most people arriving from China would disembark, unless they went to New York.
COVID19 came from two major vectors. China and Europe.
The West Coast would be the most affected by the “Chinese” virus Strain, while the East coast would be subject mostly to the European virus strain.
Miami is not a very busy hub for European travel but mostly to South America and the Caribbean. There had yet to be an infection down South when the West Coast and New York were already reeling under the epidemic..
For example,in the Dominican Republic, the gateway was Punta Cana Airport where an Italian (arrived 22 February) and a Spaniard (just a week later) brought the virus that infected 116000 and killed 2159 in a population of 10 millions.
The strain from the US came later after the Spring Break that infected Miami.
Of course, you know all this, but then you would not get paid if you publicly accepted the truth.

Posted by: CarlD | Oct 7 2020 18:58 utc | 213

@Russ 210

little by little they’re starting to push back against the terror-lockdown offensive

Thank you for calling it terrorism, because that is what it is. I called it state terrorism right away in March when they went on Norwegian prime time TV and proclaimed that 150 000 Norwegians would die (in a population of 5 Mill). It was obviously a lie Goebbels would have been proud of, and the facts are here to prove it was a lie now. They scared the shit out of people and it was intentional, and therefore it was terrorism. And it continues.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 7 2020 19:07 utc | 214

ToivoS @Oct7 18:09 #208

The assertion that Sweden has achieved herd immunity is false. They are way, way short of such a state. The second wave of infections can now be detected in the case trends.
There is so many utterly false assertions being made about cov-19 — it is just like the flu and masks don’t work are obviously the most dangerous ones.

Yup.
And that begs the question: how is it that some people are motivated to spend their time spreading such false info?
I think moa readers know the answer to that. The online libertarian mob is astro-turfed.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 7 2020 19:13 utc | 215

Russ write
Self-evidently the elites don’t intend for this to be permanent. It was, they believe, the necessary “Great Reset” since all your international trade and foreign direct investment was on the verge of collapse.
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What nonsense…
Trade and foreign direct investment doesn’t belong to me nor was it on the verge of collapse.
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The things which ARE supposed to be permanently shut down:
*Anti-globalist protest and rising populism..
*The rising movement to relocalize the production and distribution of food and other needs.
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Apparently you don’t comprehend that disruptions to trade benefit localized production.
plus
People have been taking more control of growing and preparing more of their own food as a result of Covid.
And why on earth would you believe the disruption to trade would have no permanent effect but it would permanently effect protests? That’s backwards.
How does causing inconvenience make people less likely to protest?
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Um, “covid” has done nothing. Only your terrorist propaganda and lockdowns have done anything.
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so you claim
but the evidence contradicts your claim. No matter how much you pretend that Sweden was carrying on as usual there is plenty that has been closed down and disrupted in Sweden. Its not because the govt ordered things to be closed down and disrupted. Its because that’s a sane response to a contagious disease that may kill many.
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it’s supposed to be the new uniform literally erasing the human face itself, with the face’s threat of expressing an underlying soul.
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So I wear a mask today and my soul is gone forever? Is my face permanently erased? You are not even close to making sense

Posted by: jinn | Oct 7 2020 19:32 utc | 216

Wednesday update from Trump’s physician.
Trump’s doctor states that that this “update” has been approved by Trump. That makes it little more than a press release. The tight control of information about the President’s supposed bout with Covid-19 is very suspicious.
He states that This past Monday (two days ago) Trump tested positive. Last Thursday, Trump tested negative. Doesn’t this negate the theory that Trump got SARS-COV-2 at the Rose Garden ceremony?
And whose doing the testing? As I wrote previously, I believe all testing and reporting of results is done by the WH (Trump’s physican – not Walter Reed).
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 7 2020 20:17 utc | 217

Re: Covid being a deliberate trigger for “The Great Reset”.
Nice theory, but the reset has not happened yet, and is not going to happen without a world war that makes WWII look tame. I doubt many of the elites were consulted at all on the decision to deploy SARS Mk II as an economic weapon against China, and there certainly wouldn’t be any support among them for doing so against the West. It is their own fortunes that are being hollowed out right now.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 7 2020 20:19 utc | 218

be careful what you what you wish for:
IF he dies his supporters will blame ‘the left’, Obama, deep state…EVERYONE except the far right for finally killing their ‘arch nemesis , hated for his radical swamp clearance’.
With their leader/saviour now dead they could well bring very significant unrest to the nation.

Posted by: LeoNemo | Oct 7 2020 20:27 utc | 219

Russ | 210
Yes it is not difficult to find claims that masking does not work for the general public but only works for medical professionals when working with infected patients. Not just did the NEJM make this claim but so did the WHO, the US Surgeon General and even Saint Fauci.
It is now understood (it was obvious to me at the time) that these official organizations did not want the public to run out and buy masks because in February and March there was a serious shortage shortage of masks even for hospital workers. Once the shortages were overcome even Fauci changed his tune and recommended that masks be worn by the public because they do indeed provide protection.

Posted by: ToivoS | Oct 7 2020 21:15 utc | 220

167# oldhippie
Thanks.Mysterious as the answer to the question why do people fight each other?
I ‘m reading chapters from Saint-Grégoire de Tours’ book “Histories”,about the infighting between the Merovingians and other caretakes of the evermore declining Roman Empire.It is awful,all about kings and dukes and bishops prepared to kill and maim their own brothers and children,craving each others riches.Frequently it is said how rich those bishops were,as if it was their own property.Saxons,Franks,Alemanns everybody needed pillage and destruction,for worshipping pagan gods,for clinging to another version of christianity being the main reason given .But why?I don’t think the ordinary person working on the field or doing woodwork was interested in theological debate to a point that they deemed it necessaery to kill other recently converted pagans.People who behave like that are to me badly educated drunken soldiers,and they did the work of the bishops,who had wives at the time,and I believe those bishops just took over the tax administration of the empire and put a religious seal on it.I think I read somewhere that “episcopus” was an administrative function all over the roman empire before conversion to christianity.
But what about the average guy,the peasant,the artisan who actually could produce an useful object with his or her hands?They were the masses,the handworksmen for basilics and bishops’ palaces to build.But they were not so much interested in whether Jesus Christ in essence was from divine or physical nature.They could not careless if there is the Father the Son and the HolyGhost,or just One God.Heck,most of them were only recently converted from polytheistic practice.In that time ethnic groups followed often the leader in changing religion.But my point is that all those warlords taking other dukes children in hostage for allegiance and went on destroying other people’s cultures murdering other people in the name of the romancatholic scam did not so much kill their collegues as they want us to believe.Like the spectrum of jihadi groups in Syria nowadays,they had quarrels about theological hairsplittery leading to murder,after there was nothing to loot anymore.
The baptism of Clovis,who is regarded as the first King of France (Louis,Ludwig,Ludovic) is in it,the kind of anecdote that becomes history and is known to be taught to the children in France.Also the Vase of Soissons.Murder,revenge ,bloodshed.But why?What are those bishops and saints good for if they are not even giving it a thought that they might be accused of doing the opposite of what they are preaching?Were those bishops actually preaching the evangiles,or was it just religious political bullshit? It must ne noticed that this was some century before real christian missionaries started to preach and baptize in western european continent from Ireland and Britain.Would not lead this to the conclusion that the bishopry developping into the Church was the new master of the masses,deliberately wielding its power through the barbarian jihadist-like good-fer-nothing guys that always are willing to cut throat with such blunt knives,and whose leaders are called king and dukes in historybooks?And of course Saint-Grégoire de Tours,bishop himself,does the media-bit.
As for Richard,I don’t know,I think he likes to provoke,and he must be some special kind of person.I mostly skip his comments,but some that I read I’ve found very clever and to the point.I think he came to the bar at the same time as covid,but maybe not.In this time of Démasqué,there are subjects to avoid if you dont wanna get involved in useless chit-chat.
Richard is absolutely right about statins,in the comments just above the one he adressed to me.I’ll spare you my anecdote about it,but I agree it is over-prescribed,over here in France .A few years ago they were talking about prescribing it preventively to cholesterol problems.Wonderful job for big pharma.Giving it to fifteen million people who should take it everyday,for a problem they maybe could have later on.Statins are very dangerous for your muscles,I can assure you,out of personal experience.But let’s not get into that.Cheers!Have one on me,spliff or oneshot.
How’s the weather in Chicago?Thanks again for getting me to write another incoheret comment.I can’t help it.

Posted by: willie | Oct 7 2020 21:16 utc | 221

“This is a Hail Mary strike taken at high personal risk”
That’s what you said. No. You are wrong.
Dexamethasone cures the virus in a day. I have first-hand experience of that and studies worldwide back me up. There are also 3 other prophylactics that have rapid (4-5 days max) cure rates.
You have one of the most severe cases of TDS I have ever seen. It has thrown your normally rational base completely off kilter.
I wish you would just stop with these nonsense posts and get back to what you know: the workings of the military and Middle East issues.
Any hope you might do that? Go on a vacation from your loony Trump bashing. You cheapen yourself and alienate at least half your readers.

Posted by: restless94110 | Oct 7 2020 21:21 utc | 222

vk @ 209
Trying to guess what financial sector you are imagining. Would it be the Board of Trade, Mercantile Exchange, Options Exchange? Those are just algorithms now. In most senses they exist in the cloud more than in Chicago. If considering First National Bank of Chicago, now united with J.P. Morgan Chase, it would make more sense to discuss the empire of the Crown/Krinsky family. The faceless ‘financial sector’ tells us very little.The Crowns have been at the center of a lot of action. As much as anybody effected the merger of the mafia and the finance sector. Absolutely gave us Obama. Main backers first of Bill and then of Hillary. All of the ‘Chicago Boys’, whether political, academic, financial are pretty much part of the Crown operation.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 7 2020 22:37 utc | 223

And about Chicago,me as well I thought it was the world’s most important trading center for term marketing,you know ,where you can speculate on future crops that the farmer still has to sow or plant,and the loss is always the farmer’s. I always thought Chicago to be the world’s biggest trade center for cereals and meat.Maybe it’s all just taking place in one mafia-run building.(Tintin in America might have given me the idea,but I’m sure my father said so to me,about the importance of Chicago.)
PS,how come americans never associate Biden with his Delaware state being listed as a tax heaven together with places like Guernsey,or Barbados,Virgin Islands and so on?

Posted by: willie | Oct 7 2020 22:42 utc | 224

@ willie | Oct 7 2020 9:55 utc | 155
“Every year over 70000 die of annual flu,where are they now?”
Not quite — here are the statistics from the CDC:
2010 – 11 — 37,000
2011 – 12 — 12,000
2012 – 13 — 43,000
2013 – 14 — 38,000
2014 – 15 — 51,000
2015 – 16 — 23,000
2016 – 17 — 38,000
2017 – 18 — 61,000
2018 – 19 — 34,157*
*preliminary estimate

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 7 2020 22:57 utc | 225

@CarlD #213
Your and Circe’s thesis is that international flights are why New York is a COVID wasteland.
Toronto gets far more international flights. Miami gets somewhat less, but not dramatically so. Multiple other airports in red states and in Canada are also on par with international travel.
None of them have the New York problem – and let’s be clear: LA has experienced COVID deaths but LA’s experience is a fraction that of New York: 6600 deaths vs. 19K+ New York deaths. The main difference between LA and NY is that NY had a big spike then tapered off, while LA just keeps going.., despite lockdowns, mask mandates and what not.
And what are the COVID death numbers for these other top international flight destinations?
Toronto? 1300 deaths
Miami? All of Miami-Dade county = 3369 deaths
Atlanta? 581 (Fulton County)
Dallas? 1159 (Dallas County)
No matter how you slice it – the international flights are clearly not the issue.
Fail and fail – and fail again.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 7 2020 22:58 utc | 226

Oh, and for your “analysis” that the flight destinations are more from Europe and Asia to New York than the other cities: wrong again.
I’m tired of beating you up with facts and having you respond with excuses.
How about you actually look up the numbers of travelers from various areas to these top 10 airports? Are all the Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal passengers from the North Pole?
I don’t know, but it seems quite clear that you don’t do much traveling. As someone who has over 1.5 million butt in seat flight miles, I know very well what the makeup of international travel is.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 7 2020 23:03 utc | 227

The narrative is somewhat flawed. The clinical progression described is compressed in a short period of time and is not what would happen in real life. You wouldn’t be ventilating someone then sending them home next day.
The steroid thing is also not true. High dose dexamethasone therapy is often given in certain treatment protocols for immunological disease and some immunological tumours and does not require tapering, I guess the same applies here.
Whatever did or did not happen to Trump shows how real everyday life does not apply to prominent individuals, especially in the US healthcare system, where Joe Blogs will never receive experimental high cost treatment as first line and therefore even if the narrative construct was correct most will not relate to it.
Another thing, The British press and people have been extremely kind to bumbling Boris who is somewhat depicted still as a harmless buffoon, whereas the press in US is at least much divided about the POTUS.

Posted by: Orage | Oct 7 2020 23:06 utc | 228

@ Richard Steven Hack | Oct 7 2020 11:26 utc | 164
” . . . I will be fine as long as the Social Security checks keep coming . . .”
But they won’t keep coming. Trump has already taken step one in his three-step process to get rid of Social Security entirely. He has ordered the IRS to order corporations to stop deducting Social Security taxes from employees’ paychecks as of September 1, and his staff announced on Fox that he will make that cut permanent right after the first of the year. Social Security officials have stated that checks will be significantly reduced early next year, and that checks will stop going out sometime in 2023.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 7 2020 23:17 utc | 229

@ willie | Oct 7 2020 22:42 utc | 224.. list of commodities exchanges around the globe – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commodities_exchanges
chicago is a big one, but not the only one..

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 23:23 utc | 230

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 7 2020 22:37 utc | 223
Willie @ 224 is correct. Chicago is the largest OTC (over the counter) derivative markets of the USA.
However, Chicago itself is not the largest OTC derivatives hub, that honor goes to London. In fact, London is larger than NYC is many financial services precisely because, among other factors, the USA has a more decentralized financial sector, diving it between NYC, Chicago and something in San Francisco.
For the international geopolitics of cities in the financial world, I recommend reading Tony Norfield’s “The City: London and the Global Power of Finance” (Verso, 2016).
So, don’t worry: Chicago will not go bankrupt (on the contrary). Most financial dealings already were done remotely either way (high-frequency trade) so I would not pay too much attention to the number of international flights to the city. Contrary to the right-wing myth, Chicago actually is the anti-Detroit: a success story of the neoliberal phase of American capitalism (culminating with the election of the POTUS Obama).

Posted by: vk | Oct 7 2020 23:30 utc | 231

AntiSpin @229–
Trump can’t do anything like that as the entire SSA is an ACT of Congress, not an executive implemented program. Check out this IRS missive, last updated on 22 September, 2020.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 8 2020 0:04 utc | 232

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 7 2020 23:17 utc | 229
That’s not going to happen. According to The Hill, neither party wants to chance the backlash from that move.

Nancy Altman, president of the progressive advocacy group Social Security Works, said Trump’s policies would wipe out the popular benefit.
“If Donald Trump is reelected, Social Security will cease to exist before the end of his second term,” she said.
Such a policy, however, would have little chance of advancing in Congress.
Senate Republicans threw out the temporary deferral Trump signed in his executive order from their own COVID-19 relief bill proposal.
Even the deferral order Trump signed is not expected to have a major effect. Without legislation, the deferred tax payments would come due early next year, leaving workers with a significant bill. As a result, most businesses are not expected to stop the withholding.
I don’t doubt that Trump would probably do this if no one opposed him, and I would also expect a lot of the bought-and-paid-for politicians would consider it. But dumping scores of millions of Americans on the street would definitely cause an election backlash that neither party would want.
This is just another one of Trump’s random efforts to stir up trouble – and another symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrome on the Democrats’ part in an election year – but it won’t go anywhere.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 8 2020 0:06 utc | 233

Botched the blockquote, sorry.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 8 2020 0:07 utc | 234

Karlof1 and RSH — 232 & 233
I’ve been misinformed. Very glad to be corrected on that.

Posted by: AntiSpin | Oct 8 2020 0:44 utc | 235

“Trump was certainly not well enough to get released from the hospital”
Oh give it a rest with your fearmongering…he looked fine throughout.
The “deadly virus” that can’t even kill a 74 year old man. What a joke.

Posted by: evilsooty | Oct 8 2020 1:28 utc | 236

most of the 200k dead were old, so it can definitely kill old people. according to trump he hasn’t reached the 9/10 day mark yet. do you think he’s lying? do you think he lied when he said privately that covid was much worse than the flu? what about when he backtracked and claimed it was basically like the flu?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2020 3:24 utc | 237

@236 evilsooty
Uh-no, actually he looks terrible. What’s up with the left side (his right) of his face? Is it the steroids? He looks weird.
Trump tweet A MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT!
Trump uses a lot of exclamation marks (!) and superlatives…and he repeats and repeats. Everything he does is great according to Trump. His diction sure isn’t great. Maybe he ate too many Frosted Flakes as a kid and turned into Tony the Tiger with a one-word vocabulary. Ggggrrrreate!
But seriously, he really doesn’t look normal.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 8 2020 3:40 utc | 238

james 212
Otherworldly, you mean sent from God? If so that’s not all that different from my view, except that I view it as the physical equivalent of a taboo ensconced within Gaia which the civilization’s sinful actions have unleashed.
This is equally true whether SARS-COV-2 was synthesized or modified in a lab, or whether it was forcibly roused from wilderness slumber and brought back to be disseminated among civilization by commodity deforesting, mining, industrial agriculture. Either way the epidemic, however severe or mild, is an artificial product of commodity globalization.
I used to read Hudson’s essays years back when I wrote mostly against Wall Street. I meant to read Superimperialism but never got around to it.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 8 2020 4:24 utc | 239

ToivoS | Oct 7 2020 21:15 utc | 220
“It is now understood that these official organizations did not want the public to run out and buy masks because in February and March there was a serious shortage shortage of masks even for hospital workers. Once the shortages were overcome even Fauci changed his tune and recommended that masks be worn by the public because they do indeed provide protection.”
The paper I linked is from late May, well past the expiration date of the whole big lie that the lockdowns and such were “temporary” measures to “flatten the curve” and “protect” health care systems because these evidently are incapable of doing their jobs under even the slightest stress. (Not me saying that – governments and media said it.)
Good to see you admit that Fauci and company do not function as doctors or scientists but as political operatives and propagandists. But you leave us with the question, since you yourself now say he initially lied, why should anyone believe he later has ever told the truth about anything? As you say, anything he says he says only for political purposes.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 8 2020 4:35 utc | 240

ToivoS | Oct 7 2020 21:15 utc | 220
“it is not difficult to find claims that masking does not work for the general public but only works for medical professionals when working with infected patients. Not just did the NEJM make this claim but so did the WHO, the US Surgeon General and even Saint Fauci.”
Indeed it’s not difficult, as the science on this is longstanding and not controversial. For decades there has been scientific consensus that, as you say, masking does not work for the general public but only works for medical professionals when working with infected patients.
The only place there’s a new-fangled controversy is among politicians, talking heads on the TV news and flip-flopping propagandists like Fauci, and the cultists who superstitiously, desperately want to believe in some mystical efficacy of maskochism.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 8 2020 4:41 utc | 241

Russ @ 241
For decades there has been scientific consensus that, as you say, masking does not work for the general public but only works for medical professionals when working with infected patients
actually, even the efficacy of masks in the operating theatre has come under scrutiny in recent years with dubious unanimity as to their usefulness.
but the covid cultists are adamant, and continue to heed the medical tyranny being foist upon us. they continue to believe that this is a critical health issue, even as the society around them is so obviously being re-engineered in a decidedly anti-social format.
here in Italy, just yesterday, they mandated the wearing of masks outside…
so there can no longer be any doubt that it’s all a catalyst for more fear and bondage.

Posted by: john | Oct 8 2020 9:31 utc | 242

john | Oct 8 2020 9:31 utc
I agree, this is very disappointing. but since Italy was able to get the number of new infections down by locking everyone down back in March and April, I suppose they have very little choice but to start it all up again. though it is extremely silly to wear a mask when you are walking alone outside as well as when you are driving by yourself and I think that puts off a lot of people, the masking must have an effect.
Maybe we can get some of that chinese vaccine and not have to worry about the corona anymore. I suspect we stand a better chance of getting an effective affordable vaccine here in Italy then we would back in the US of A.
I just hope I will be able to make it to Umbria Jazz next year. I have gone just about every year for the last 15 or so.

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 8 2020 11:23 utc | 243

more internet “science” from trump true believers. he admitted on video that the virus is much worse than the flu and that masks work. now you people want to pretend he never said it. poof, ignore it and it’s gone, just like magic. the science of propaganda.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2020 12:09 utc | 244

“…masking does not work for the general public but only works for medical professionals when working with infected patients…”
It is truly amazing that after months and multiple attempts at careful explanation that supposedly intelligent people still fail to understand the point of masks. Masks are not routinely worn in medical facilities in order to protect the staff, but to protect the patients. To consistently misunderstand this point after months takes a truly remarkable level of egocentric narcissism.
Perhaps I find it so surprising because I lived so long in Asia where people seem to instinctively know to mask up when they are sick with an infectious disease. There the mask is obviously not seen as protection for the self but protection for the community from the self. The inability of many in the West to comprehend that simple point demonstrates deep-rooted egocentrism that suggests a widespread stunting of cognitive development to Piaget’s preoperational stage (2 to 7 years old).
How heartbreaking it is to witness poor Narcissus glancing fondly at his own reflection to only see a mask. His crushing disappointment that his perfect visage is not on display for the world to adore is just too sad.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 8 2020 12:36 utc | 245

Reply to Jan Price
If you open an odds book where Trump being on the Presidential ticket on 11/3/20 is paying 50-1, I would like to put my farm on that wager and my mother’s farm too.

Posted by: Stephen Merrill | Oct 8 2020 13:28 utc | 246

Vk @ 231
You are talking about derivatives trading at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.
I have known quite a few who worked at the Merc. Forty years ago. It is algos now, the physical location of the server making the trade makes no difference.
The infrastructure of this city is shot. There is no money to pay pensions. For the time being police and fire pensions are being paid from general revenue. Given that police are basically an hereditary clan, and fire not that different, there is a real problem when dad and grandpa stop getting the check. City water is right on the edge, the trades who make it work are under attack, on surface for, of all things, political correctness. In reality they are shedding pension obligations to any with seniority. And they imagine it will all still work without old guys who know how it works. I could go on. Capital has no loyalty. Capital is not going to keep this city alive.
Someone upthread remarked on the hospitality industry in this city. How do you think that goes under covid? Does anybody believe live theatre is coming back? Is live jazz coming back? Without those, what city?

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 8 2020 13:42 utc | 247

A more personal observation on the whole masks debate: if they’re supposed to not work then why is it that they’re so damn good at trapping all the heat and moisture from my lungs?
If they’re this good at trapping so much of the hot water from more or less regular breathing then why shouldn’t they be just as good at trapping most of any viruses riding along inside the water?
Of course they are.
It’s starting to get a little bit chilly here and sure my mask leaks (but interestingly not noticeably through my beard or mustache but instead where it’s just skin). Chilly enough that I can see the leaking similar to but much less than if I didn’t wear the ordinary blue surgical mask. Even with the leaks that part of the air still has to take a turning and twisty path to get out which means most of the moisture either sticks to the mask or the beard (or if I’m wearing it too high then to my damn face and eyes because that’s the direction the leaks take if I do that).
Worth it since less people get ill or if they (or I) still do then likely less ill (LD50 applies). Worth doing it even if it should turn out to help less than I believe.
In fact worth doing even if it had no effect at all (but it sure does or one wouldn’t notice any difference) because it helps remind everyone including myself to take a little bit of extra care.
[ Btw all the moisture reminds me of wearing balaclavas or similar in winter (the ones with just the eyes) or for that matter good old-fashioned mustache icicles, the feeling is almost nostalgic lol 😛 ]
Enough about masks; I have to wear nitrile medical gloves to get inside the places I’m having to go to because (the multiple required uses of) hand sanitizer can’t be used on my skin. When I finally get back home (hours later) and take them off their insides are wet with sweat 😛
Start complaining about medical gloves you *******! XD

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 8 2020 14:10 utc | 248

Perhaps I find it so surprising because I lived so long in Asia where people seem to instinctively know to mask up when they are sick with an infectious disease. There the mask is obviously not seen as protection for the self but protection for the community from the self.
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I don’t think they wear masks instinctively. Its based on evidence gained from past experience. The Far East have had serious flu epidemics in the past and wearing masks has proven to be an effective response. Hong Kong was hit hard by the SARS1 epidemic. I read an article that said that in 2003 only about 70% of HK wore masks in response. When SARS2 showed up 99% of the population immediately started wearing masks without even being told to.
As far back as the 1918 pandemic wearing masks was shown to be effective against community spread of flu.
Another thing people don’t understand about masks is that they don’t have to be 100% effective at blocking the spread of virus particles. To become infected a person has to be exposed to thousands or even millions of virus particles. An exposure to a smaller number of particles means the immune system can do its job and kill the virus. You can only get sick if the immune system is overwhelmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8N5oduX1KQ

Posted by: jinn | Oct 8 2020 14:23 utc | 249

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 8 2020 12:36 utc | 245
It is cultural not medical. In catholic religion you have saints like St. Francis embracing and kissing the leper. You wear masks for carnival so people don’t recognize you. You are used to read peoples faces for emotions and try to influence other people’s emotions by facial expression.
Main point in some countries in Asia that makes masks attractive is that you are not supposed to be able to read facial expressions.
Masks don’t protect Asians from influenza, viruses are too small for masks, and as long as you have to breathe you spread them. Masks do protect against bacteria.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 14:44 utc | 250

dan of steele @ 243
I just hope I will be able to make it to Umbria Jazz next year. I have gone just about every year for the last 15 or so
likewise.
if they ease up on this tyranny, drop me a line, i’ll buy you a beer.

Posted by: john | Oct 8 2020 16:18 utc | 251

I’ve always had herd immunity. I always think about and do everything quite differently from the herds of sheeple.

Posted by: William Haught | Oct 8 2020 18:16 utc | 252

Skimming through the comments it looks like everyone (or at least most) missed the real story: a billionaire who pays little or no taxes receiving excellent socialized medical care.

Posted by: William Haught | Oct 8 2020 18:23 utc | 253

Somebody @250
And do you think viruses just float in the air as single particles.? Most are propelled out in large droplets of mucus and secretions or come out as much smaller aerosols but both are far bigger than single viruses. Masks will certainly protect against droplets but perhaps less so against aerosols which also linger longer in the air and don’t settle.

Posted by: Orage | Oct 8 2020 20:46 utc | 254

I see that you’ve improved your html code to make the site more legible on mobile. Previously, the site wasn’t responsive (in the sense we use it on the web). Now it is but it is a poor implementation: the font size is very small on mobile.
One of the objectives of this site is to reach more people. I share it all the time, and I will continue even if this comment upsets you. Naked Capitalism and Zero Hedge insulted me when I politely proposed to modify their site layout for better legibility. I’m assuming you’re much more civil and will consider hiring someone to improve legibility on mobile. Or just ask me. I’ll happily do it at no charge. We should be able to read in a larger font, without having to scroll right and left to access the rest of a sentence.

Posted by: Melkiades | Oct 9 2020 6:11 utc | 255

@ Russ | Oct 8 2020 4:24 utc | 239.. thanks russ.. i am just seeing your post now… super imperialism is a good read.. it is going to take me a long time to read it via the net, but i am on page 20 so far! here is the book pdf again..

Posted by: james | Oct 9 2020 20:54 utc | 256

James & Russ
“Otherworldly”? “synthesized or modified in a lab”?
Or just a normal coronavirus that was a bit nasty for awhile? It’s time to completely reappraise the idea that Sars-Cov2 is bio-engineered or a bio-weapon or leaked from the Wuhan lab or some kind of particularly unusual zootonic existential threat to mankind – it’s probably all just psyopps and propaganda.

Posted by: ADKC | Oct 10 2020 0:29 utc | 257

I used to enjoy this site very much and it is disheartening to watch it spiral. The media is driving society insane.

Posted by: Salt | Oct 10 2020 2:39 utc | 258

Now I remember why I stopped taking this site seriously. Bye

Posted by: David Bishop | Oct 16 2020 22:18 utc | 259