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October 29, 2020

Why Are These Anti-Russian And Anti-Chinese Narratives So Similar?

After more than four years of Russiagate we finally learn (paywalled original) where the Steele dossier allegations about nefarious relations between Trump and Russia came from:

A Wall Street Journal investigation provides an answer: a 40-year-old Russian public-relations executive named Olga Galkina fed notes to a friend and former schoolmate who worked for Mr. Steele.​ The Journal relied on interviews, law-enforcement records, declassified documents and the identification of Ms. Galkina by a former top U.S. national security official.

In 2016, Ms. Galkina was working in Cyprus at an affiliate of XBT Holding SA, a web-services company best known for its Webzilla internet hosting unit. XBT is owned by Russian internet entrepreneur Aleksej Gubarev.

That summer, she received a request from an employee of Mr. Steele to help unearth potentially compromising information on then-presidential candidate Donald Trump ’s links to Russia, according to people familiar with the matter. Ms. Galkina was friends with the employee, Igor Danchenko, since their school days in Perm, a Russian provincial city near the Ural mountains.

Ms. Galkina often came drunk to work and eventually got fired by her company. She took revenge by alleging that the company and its owner Gubarev were involved in the alleged hacking of the Democratic National Committee. A bunch of other false allegations in the dossier were equally based on Ms. Galkina's fantasies.

Mark Ames @MarkAmesExiled - 18:39 UTC · Oct 28, 2020

So the Steele Dossier that kicked off 4 years of Russiagate hysteria among the US ruling class was cooked up by two Russian alcoholics from Perm. “Gogolesque” does not begin to describe the grotesque credulity & stupidity of the American elites.

The tales in the dossier were real disinformation from Russians but not 'Russian disinformation' of the American Newspeak variant.

The FBI, and others involved, knew very early on that the Steele dossier was a bunch of lies. But the issue was kept in the public eyes by continues leaks of additional nonsense. All this was to press Trump to take more and more anti-Russian measures which he did with unprecedented generosity. The accusations about a Trump-Russia connection were the 'Russia bad' narrative that pressed and allowed Trump to continue the anti-Russian policies of the Obama/Biden administration.

A similar string of continuous policies from the Obama/Biden administration's 'Pivot to Asia' and throughout the four years of Trump is the anti-China campaign.

We now hear a lot about Hunter and Joe Biden's corrupt deals with Chinese entities. These accusations come with more evidence and are far more plausible than the stupid Steele dossier claims. Their importance is again twofold. They will be used to press a potential President Joe Biden to act against China but they will primarily be used to intensify a public anti-China narrative that creates public support for such policies.

As Caitlin Johnstone points out:

I don’t know how or at what level, but we are being played. A narrative is being aggressively rammed down our throats about China in exactly the same way it was being aggressively rammed down our throats about Russia four years ago; two unabsorbed nations the US government has long had plans to attack and undermine.
Russiagate was never really about Trump. It was never about his campaign staff meeting with Russians, it was never about a pee tape, it was never about an investigation into any kind of hidden loyalties to the Kremlin. Russiagate was about narrative managing the United States into a new cold war with Russia with the ultimate target being its far more powerful ally China, and ensuring that Trump played along with that agenda.
If Biden gets in we can expect the same thing: a president who advances escalations against both Russia and China while being accused of the other party of being soft on China. Both parties will have their foot on the gas toward brinkmanship with a nuclear-armed nation, with no one’s foot anywhere near the brakes.

It is thus assured that the verbal attacks on China, the search for new anti-China allies like the Hindu-fascist India and the dangerous weaponizing of Taiwan will all continue under a Biden administration.

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I think I have miscalculated here.
I made the mistake of assuming 1.078 as 1078.

I have seen Europeans use a period instead of a comma in numbers and assumed the error.

Posted by: arby | Oct 30 2020 15:20 utc | 101

US domestic oil consumption is 19-20 million barrels per day. Your eyes already glazed over. Politicians and political junkies cannot and do not do mathematics, even kindergarten math. It matters, because the mathematically illiterate are unable to discern what has significance and what does not.

All that is even hopefully possible is that when they cannot solve basic puzzles as “which is bigger” political types choose an honest advisor. Highly verbal people seldom even know when they need help.

‘Heavy oil’ can mean anything. A Reuters scribe is hardly reliable. Looking at how that article conflates fuel oil and heavy crude diminishes what little credibility it has.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 30 2020 15:43 utc | 102

@ arby

Need we bring up the nine-dash-line that viciously ignores international laws and is naked imperalism on China's neighbors?

Posted by: Smith | Oct 30 2020 15:46 utc | 103

@ Posted by: lizzie dw | Oct 30 2020 13:35 utc | 92

The way I see it, it is not that the Americans don't know what's wrong with their country: both sides - Trump and Biden - know America must reindustrialize, that wages must go up in real terms, that some form of safety net must be built, that military spending must be contained etc. etc.

The big problem is the solution they - and many "experts" who are talking in the American media - are proposing. They are pure fantasy, it's kids' stuff. They paint a world where the USA can literally have the best of the two worlds - central command from socialism + bombastic and chaotic growth from capitalism - with just some presidential decrees signed and the Fed's print turned on. Honestly, they are worse, in terms of feasibility, than Gorbachev's Glasnost and Perestroika.


@ Posted by: YY | Oct 30 2020 7:11 utc | 80

You're seeing the world from a liberal point of view.

Liberalism is an ideology that states the only legitimate expansion is through the interests of the capitalist class. Any other kind of expansion is illegitimate (unnatural) and therefore a threat to all humanity. Therefore, any impulse for (socialist) China to grow and prosper is a world menace, while the Western corporations must have all the doors open for their expansion.

Ok, that's your ideology - but it doesn't mean it is science. It's just a purely political point of view.

Posted by: vk | Oct 30 2020 15:53 utc | 104

@ Jen | Oct 29 2020 22:57 utc | 58... thanks jen... as william gruff said to you - precisely...

@ milomilo | Oct 30 2020 7:21 utc | 83... milo - never underestimate your opponents... cheers james...

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2020 16:29 utc | 105

Arby’s @ 101

That one drives me crazy. I’ve made same error hundreds, maybe thousands of times. You caught it yourself, congrats.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 30 2020 16:33 utc | 106

I usually respect Caitlin's work a lot but how does this jive with the MSM and Techno-platforms desperate attempts to block all circulation of anything to do with the Biden corruption scandals? Roger 28.

Caitlin is part of the ‘new journalism’. I wouldn’t go so far as to screech ‘allowed criticism’ or ‘limited hang-out’ + aware of it, because imho her heart is in the right place. But she is limited as her scope is pretty much only what is published in the MSM - nothing more.

I think both the Russian and the Chinese have come to the same conclusion, that there is a war of survival over the long term going on. Stonebird 29

Yes .. and therefore their alliance resting on ‘we share an enemy’ is not straightforward, with many caveats. Imho at present the two parties have agreed to be ‘honest’ with each other and see where it all goes. See Jen 58, imho an important part of the pact was that territorial disputes between them could not occur.

The US and China have very strong economic - and perhaps even ideological, creeping up! - ties, as opposed to US-Russia. (macdos doesn’t count.)

The idea was that China would produce goods cheaply for the US thereby increasing profits for Corps, aka shareholders (wages etc.; avoiding outright slavery at home, except in prisons, illegals..), outsourcing *pollution* and getting rid of the headache of providing energy for manufacturing, as well as keeping US mopes more or less provided with basic stuff (via heavily subsidised agri + some marginal state aid, like food stamps for the deserving) and gadgets, showing that the US is the greatest, the richest, etc., thus forestalling revolutionary or rebellious impulses.

But hey, the ties that bind.. ! (see also lizzie 92)

Schmatz 38. thx for the response, idk about the latest ‘terror’ attacks in F except that Macron is milking them to death (sic)…lockdown (covid) and now the army in the street…bis repetita!

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 30 2020 16:55 utc | 107

Sputnik reports on a video discussion during the No Cold War campaign last week between Jeffry Sachs and Zhang Weiwei, "professor of international relations at Fudan University, former interpreter to Deng Xiaoping, and author of several key books including the best-selling The China Wave: Rise of a Civilizational State, which can be found here. Sachs, while well intentioned, like so many is blind to the reality that the USA is an Outlaw nation without peer and has been that way for the past 75 years. Nor does he seem to understand the real reason for the First Cold War was to further Outlaw US Empire Imperialism while imposing the basis for Neoliberal Parasitism, disguised as Globalization, a process that began in Europe in the latter third of the 19th Century.

Meanwhile, Pepe Escobar expands on my recap of China's 13th 5-Year Plan and the current planning for the 14th. For Western media to completely ignore events in the world's largest nation by both population and economic size is a massive affront, while media in the Global South avidly report on what their ally and trading partner is doing. The surprise is the revelation that there is a very important ideological component to Xi's efforts: "the subversion of Westphalia" and a new more egalitarian phase of human relations seen as a “'community with a shared future for humanity'”. That would also see the defeat at long last of Machiavelli and the Rule of his Prince.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2020 17:02 utc | 108

@92 lizziedw

Just bought a sheet set from Redlandcotton based out of Alabama.

It was ~$150.00.

Something from Kohl's or any other national department store would run ~$75 for a decent set of made in china cloth.

You can feel the difference and see the better stitching quality. That and the fact that I am supporting local workers (redlandcotton is fully sourced, processed, and produced in three southern states), makes the good very much worth the extra $75.

Marketting has convinced morons that more is better. But quality and craftmanship will forever reign supreme.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 30 2020 18:11 utc | 109

Marketting has convinced morons that more is better. But quality and craftmanship will forever reign supreme.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 30 2020 18:11 utc | 109

How about the pricing ? Is it possible that people that bought cheap goods buys them precisely because those that's what they could afforded ? is it possible that not everyone can afford those extra 75$ for a single piece of sheet ?

Posted by: Lucci | Oct 30 2020 18:24 utc | 110

Like I said, Lucci.

If you buy locally and economically-nationalist, you will be able to buy less.

Whether the quality of the durable item in question provides the net positive benefit in such an arrangement is the question.


Most Americans I know suffer from a glut of stuff.

And it truly is a suffering.

Buying less and better quality I would say has the only drawback of being able to fill the void less with cheap Chinese stuff.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 30 2020 18:38 utc | 111

Lucci @110 - Quite. How many ordinary working people (i.e. the real working class, not what the US duplicitously calls the middle class) could afford a sheet set (bottom sheet, top sheet and two pillow cases) costing $150.00.... We (my late husband and I) certainly could not have. Talk about bloody luxury. Well, doing so allows (assuming that the spiel about the sheet set is true and not fictional) those in the bourgeoisie - low, middle, and upper - to feel "good" about their purchase if they can link it to home grown cotton (but is it grown without chemicals, without any genetic interference of any sort? grown without sucking huge volumes of water?) spinning, weaving and sewing. I hope that the workers at each level of the process were paid a decent, living wage...

Posted by: A | Oct 30 2020 18:44 utc | 112

I bought my last set of flannel sheets for my Queen size bed at Fred Meyers for $25 and they have lasted me over a year. I can buy 6 sets of sheets for the price NemesisCalling is paying for one set......

And about the issue of quality and craftsmanship that NemesisCalling insinuates is missing from goods outside the US........China is building a civilization based on personal merit and NemesisCalling is supportive of one that is faith/might-makes-right based, but intimating goods made outside the US are inferior.

I hope China is successful in dragging humanity out of the Western social contract with faith based private finance at the core.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2020 19:00 utc | 113

"If you buy locally and economically-nationalist, you will be able to buy less."
—Or nothing at all if you're poor. It has been reality for years that made in America became less and less affordable to the poorer masses.
I can agree that there do some visible trends to consumerism tendency but you're speaking as if there's no growing production cost gap in the mid end to low end products that the foreign imports now filling in.

Posted by: Lucci | Oct 30 2020 19:03 utc | 114

Products made in China and sold in the United States are made to specifications in ISO900X certified manufacturing facilities. The quality is a direct reflection of the specification provided. For example, Foxconn manufactures Apple iPhones to specifications provided by Apple. Apple's specifications mandate specific quality levels and Foxconn produces iPhones that meet those specifications. Since the quality specified is quite high, the quality of the finished product is likewise quite high. If you want to make a cheaper phone you can supply Foxconn with lower quality specifications and they will produce a lower quality phone for you.

The quality of commodities produced in China has nothing to do with them being produced in China and everything to do with what is requested by the American corporations outsourcing the production. These contemporary American corporations have ever-shrinking productive work forces and tend to be composed largely of useless management. Most of these managers' sole remaining reason for employment is to try and identify ways to cut costs/improve profits. To earn their annual bonus, these useless managers pore through the specifications that are sent to China to find areas where product quality can be shaved slightly lower without the consumers noticing in order to save $0.005/unit. Year after year the quality ratchets lower to boost profits.

By the way, this is a way to disguise inflation. Rather than prices gradually inflating, quality is gradually deflated.

The key point here is that the quality of the products that you buy that are made in China has nothing whatsoever to do with the quality levels that Chinese manufacturers are capable of achieving. The quality is determined entirely by what American businessmen think you, the consumer, will tolerate.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 30 2020 19:37 utc | 115

Gruff 115

Concur 100%

Posted by: CarlD | Oct 30 2020 20:25 utc | 116

Re: you tight wads.

Perhaps it was more but the price will go down once there is more competition locally.

Right now, you are paying an increased premium from lack of demand.

Picture a factory sewer working your sheets. Do you think sheets are born from one minute at the sewing table? Do you think workers don't deserve paid lunches, breaks? Are you going to buy a sheet set once every year or could you buy one set every ten if they are good enough quality?

As far as I am concerned, y'all can't come to grip with the larger picture. Even b agrees. America needs a manufacturing base again.

Prepare to pay more and seek out heirloom items. It will be worth it in the long run.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 30 2020 20:31 utc | 117

$150.00/(10 years x 365 days)= .041 cent/day

Yeah, y'all deserve your globalist hellhole.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 30 2020 20:35 utc | 118

Oh yeah...

.041 cent/2 spouses = .020 cent/spouse/day.

What a fucking luxury!


Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 30 2020 20:47 utc | 119

Market utopianism is cute and all, but does anyone here think that hasn't already been tried?

YouTube video

That didn't work out so good, did it? More than half a century of capitalist offshoring for profits and people making moral arguments why consumers should buy American, and where did that get us?

Economics always trumps morality. It is the same as gravity always trumping morality. I wonder why so many people resist acknowledging that with such persistence? One would think half a century of failure would lead people to at least try something different.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 30 2020 20:57 utc | 120

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 30 2020 18:11 utc | 109

The problem with your proposal is that those workers of the Deep South you speak of depend themselves on the cheap stuff coming from China sold through Walmart an Amazon. You're just dislocating the problem - from the middle and upper middle classes to the proletariat - not solving it:

Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos may be single-handedly killing inflation

The Wal-Mart Effect

It's ironic if you think about it: Trump's anti-China support among the proletariat of the Rust Belt and the Deep South is only sustainable because China manufacturing itself is financing it!

Ideologically, that's the main pillar of his "Make America Great Again": no matter how much of a low-life you are, as long as you're an American citizen, there will always be someone below you.

Posted by: vk | Oct 30 2020 21:47 utc | 121

Embarrassment to GG, MW of The Intercept: Omidyar Co-funded Ukraine Revolt | March 2014 |
... a long time coming 😖

Posted by: Oui | Oct 30 2020 22:15 utc | 122

"Need we bring up the nine-dash-line that viciously ignores international laws and is naked imperalism on China's neighbors?

Posted by: Smith | Oct 30 2020 15:46 utc | 103"

And how many innocent men, women, and children are ensnared by the dreaded nine-dash-line? The number is around 0.

The atolls are uninhabited. Whoever gets there first, builds something and then keeps people on it has the better claim. That is how we got Midway, Guam, Baker Island, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, and Wake Island. And let's not forget how we got Hawaii but I'd agree that we don't want anyone to do that again.

China's claims in the SCS does not violate international law, just a non-binding arbitration judgment that we instigated and they never agreed too enter into.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Oct 30 2020 22:24 utc | 123

Gruff @ 115

The number of times this has to be explained is mind numbing. It's far easier for people to say " cheap Chinese crap " than to actually think that, as you say, these goods are made to spec from an outside source. It's all about the price point.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Oct 30 2020 22:32 utc | 124

Buy American--

How bout a 737 Max?

Posted by: arby | Oct 30 2020 23:24 utc | 125

@ Smith #103
Need we bring up the nine-dash-line that viciously ignores international laws and is naked imperalism on China's neighbors?
The nine-dash line is simply US propaganda, used to justify the Navy's 'Freedom of Navigation" shows of force off China's shores. It started with a vague claim by the ROC government. In May 2009, the Chinese Government communicated two Notes Verbales to the UN Secretary General requesting that they be circulated to all UN Member States. It stated the following:

China has indisputable sovereignty over the islands in the South China Sea and the adjacent waters, and enjoys sovereign rights and jurisdiction over the relevant waters as well as the seabed and subsoil thereof (see attached map). The above position is consistently held by the Chinese government, and is widely known by the international community.

China has not clarified through legislation, proclamation, or other official statements the legal basis or nature of its claim associated with the dashed-line map. China has made no claim to open waters within the nine dash line. The UNCLOS provisions have superseded any historical claims to open waters, beyond EEZ, which China has not differed with.
US State Dept report, 2014, conclusion:
For these reasons, unless China clarifies that the dashed-line claim reflects only a claim to islands within that line and any maritime zones that are generated from those land features in accordance with the international law of the sea, as reflected in the LOS Convention, its dashed-line claim does not accord with the international law of the sea. . .here

Obviously China was talking about islands and their adjacent waters, not open seas. There is no naked imperialism except by the US, which does need to be brought up. The US sails its naval ships in China territorial waters supposedly promoting freedom of navigation when there have been no threats to that freedom. Hundreds of commercial ships pass through the SCS every day, most of them to and from China, and the US presence by sea and air threatens that commerce which greatly concerns China since the sea is their lifeline to energy and materials.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 30 2020 23:46 utc | 126

Part-2 of my look at China's 14th 5-year plan and goals for 2035 can be found here. I also discovered the link to the No Cold War Zoom discussion between Jeffery Sachs and Zhang Weiwei I mention @108.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2020 0:10 utc | 127

@ Christian J. Chuba

That's such a fucked-up reason, how do you know people aren't affected by the nine-dash-claim, there are hundred of fishermen who regularly get into trouble from all sides of the conflict (China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Philipines, and Indonesia), this is creating problems but China refuses to bulge considering it wants to gobble up a large part of the ocean, without consulting or negotiation with its neighbors, nor following international laws.

So yes, China does break international laws, you are having a doublespeak moment.

@ Don Bacon

By laying claims to the islands in the SEA Sea, they are breaking international laws. UNCLOS laws do not entitle China to these islands, and the historical basis of these islands belonging to China is non-existent.

When China wants to control islands 200 miles far, far away from their shore, that is imperalism, and there's no going around it.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 31 2020 0:41 utc | 128

re Hack at 72, If [Biden} he wins, .. Republicans will deliver ..a constant stream of damaging leaks, drives for impeachment, somehow force him to step down so Harris takes over? <= I think Harris is first Presidential candidate capable to genocide the targets search engine cyber terrorist monopolies select.

by: Richard Steven Hack | 70 I believe this is the modus operandi for political parties these days. In the past elements of this was present, but not to the level of dysfunction we currently are observing. by: One Too Many @ 7 ..

<= Conflict and contrast is the modus operandi; the entire purpose of the two party system divide 340,000,001 Americans into two groups 170,000,0000 each so the the 340,000,001 person can control every election outcome and every narrative. Example.. a population of 9 persons elects #9 to be its leader.. every vote is 4 votes in favor of and 4 votes against any ideas, orders, madates and lock downs imposed by #9.. hence 9 always get to make the choice. but if 8 were against free to decide leader #9 would be forced to do as the 8 wished, or #9 would be out.

Posted by: snake | Oct 31 2020 0:46 utc | 129

Gruff@115 Spot on. I have lots of high end outdoor gear and it is all made in China or nearby, ie vietnam, indonesia, etc.

Nemesis makes a good point, I realized long ago that I am "too poor to buy cheap stuff". $150 sheets that last 10 years vs $25 sheets that last a year. Pretty easy math.

Arby@127 Nice one! I am not aware of the US making a superior product of any kind compared to anyone in a very long time.

Posted by: visak | Oct 31 2020 1:40 utc | 130

@ visak | Oct 31 2020 1:40 utc | 132 who wrote
Nemesis makes a good point, I realized long ago that I am "too poor to buy cheap stuff". $150 sheets that last 10 years vs $25 sheets that last a year. Pretty easy math.


I looked and My Fred Meyer flannel sheets are over two years old which makes your claim more specious than Nemisis who wrote about using his/their sheets for 10 years....what a hoot! I guess I want to know how old you are and if you can write truthfully that you have used a set of sheets for 10 years.....not in rotation with 2-3 other sets which boosts your initial investment to ????

I believe in and make a point of buying quality where it makes sense to or my tastes and pocketbook say I want "better"......I have a $6 coffee table in my living I purchased in 1970 at Goodwill and it still is good enough for me.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2020 2:08 utc | 131

@115 William Gruff - and all who chimed in

Your point is foundational and true, and yet an even greater reality towers over this foundation by an order of magnitude. China is chosen by Apple, for example, to manufacture its products, not from some quest for cheap labor but from the crucial need for an intelligent body of engineers at the workforce level to make these products.

Apple CEO Tim Cook spoke in 2017 about this, and his talk is distilled in this article by Inc magazine:

Apple CEO Tim Cook: This Is the No. 1 Reason We Make iPhones in China (It's Not What You Think)

[Cook:] "It's not designed and sent over--that sounds like there's no interaction. The truth is, the process engineering and process development associated with our products require innovation in and of itself. Not only the product but the way that it's made, because we want to make things in the scale of hundreds of millions, and we want the quality level of zero defects. That's always what we strive for, and the way that you get there, particularly when you're pushing the envelope in the type of materials that you have, and the precision that your specifications are forcing, requires a kind of hand-in-glove partnership. You don't do it by throwing it over the chasm. It would never work. I can't imagine how that would be."

Cook was emphatic that the manufacture of Apple products requires more than simple slavish adherence to specifications; it actually requires intelligent innovation at every stage of the process.

China is the nation that supplies that innovation as the assembly line rolls. The Chinese are the people whom Apple trusts to innovate its product in real time as it gets built. Apple does not invest this trust in the workforce of the US.


As always, we can apply ideology and preconceived conclusions to a slice of reality - call this the barking of the dogs - or we can observe how the reality actually works. Call that the caravan.

Each person must decide for oneself how to draw one's own conclusions about the reality of a thing - either from the barking of the dogs or from the successful and continuing transit of the caravan. Reality will not forgive, or indulge, a false conclusion.

That's all there is.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 31 2020 3:27 utc | 132

@ Smith #130
You wrong again!!
UNCLOS laws do not entitle China to these islands, and the historical basis of these islands belonging to China is non-existent.
UNCLOS = United Nations Convention for the Law of the Sea. . .and "The Tribunal reiterated that it was not ruling on territorial sovereignty"
. . .UNCLOS has nothing to do with land. Islands are open to taking and settlement, which is how the US got Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, Philippines etc.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31 2020 3:48 utc | 133

We have a winner--

As always, we can apply ideology and preconceived conclusions to a slice of reality - call this the barking of the dogs - or we can observe how the reality actually works. Call that the caravan.
Each person must decide for oneself how to draw one's own conclusions about the reality of a thing - either from the barking of the dogs or from the successful and continuing transit of the caravan. Reality will not forgive, or indulge, a false conclusion.
That's all there is.

Thank you Grieved.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31 2020 4:13 utc | 134

Yes, you heard it here first, people.

American manufacturers left America for Chinese shores because in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, they knew that the Chinese were the more innovative and ingenious.

It had absolutely nothing to do with pursuing cheap and exploited labor to the ends of the earth.

It turns out, Americans are just retarded.


As if switching manufacturing bases is as easy as launching a shuttlecock across the net, deciding you would rather employ those over there. And when it is again convenient to revert to a prior manufacturing base, you can pack up and switch overseas at the drop of a hat.

In reality, China has seen amazing levels of investment in their factories and manufacturing sectors. America has seen zilch. And it ain't because we are knuckle draggers.

That's enough for now. I should probably get back to drooling on myself.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 31 2020 4:39 utc | 135

What follows is a Xinhuanet report that I have not seen reported elsewhere.

BEIJING, Oct. 30 (Xinhua) -- The so-called "China Initiative" was purely political manipulation and another example of McCarthyism in the United States, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said here on Friday.

A recent report issued by Johns Hopkins University in the United States disclosed that in the fall of 2018, the U.S. Department of Justice officially launched the "China Initiative," requiring 94 regional judicial departments to file at least one or two lawsuits against China each year. So far, U.S. judicial departments have launched more than 2,000 investigations against China.

When asked to comment on this report at a daily news briefing, spokesperson Wang Wenbin said it indicated that the so-called "China Initiative" was purely political manipulation and another example of McCarthyism in the United States.

"So where is the respect for the rule of law?" said Wang, noting the U.S. judicial organs were following political instructions and a presumption of guilt instead of basing their actions on facts.

"When anti-China becomes a target and task that must be completed, we are not surprised that so many so-called espionage, theft, and other crimes have been forced on Chinese individuals and institutions."

"We urge the U.S. to abandon the Cold War mentality and ideological prejudice, stop political manipulation, stop disrupting regular bilateral cooperation in science and technology as well as people-to-people exchanges," Wang said.

He said the abuse of judicial power to suppress Chinese students and researchers in the United States should be stopped and the legitimate rights and interests of these people should be protected.

NemesisCalling, I am an American as well and know we are not knuckle draggers but are being led by such. I am all for America re-industrializing to some degree but not based on rapacious or profit motives primarily. The elite that run the West are supported by those of you of faith and until that support stops or the China/Russia axis overwhelms them without nuclear extinction, the perverted motivations of our society, which we both probably would agree on more than you think, would go away.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2020 5:35 utc | 136


Relax man, it was just an example, I don't actually own a set of sheets that cost $150. To clarify for you, buying cheap shit repeatedly is more expensive than buying quality stuff originally. I can't believe I have to say such a thing to an adult.

I do own a backpack that cost me about $300 12 years ago. I wonder if Fred Meyer has a cheaper one available that will last as long.

Your coffee table? I too have found many good deals over the years, what was your point?

Posted by: visak | Oct 31 2020 12:29 utc | 137

Sheets in this house are 100% organic cotton and made in USA. Alley find. In unopened original packaging. On top is a down comforter with 100% organic cotton shell and certified humane or some such Canadian goose down fill. Again an alley find. In original unopened packaging. Yes, Americans have lots of stuff and are drowning in stuff. For a while we had a feather bed, a real huge pile of feathers and down, queen size and maybe a foot thick. Too hot to sleep on and basically a storage problem. Put it on Craigslist free list. Lots of our alley harvesting goes to free list.

Most recent find was a 1920s birdseye maple chest of drawers made in Watertown Wisconsin. Desperately in need of refinishing, very sound. After a bit of investigation and cleaning it was a shellac finish, which went back to original high polish with a couple hours of work, a couple rags, maybe ten dollars of alcohol and shellac. A friend who knows the market says price on any antique is way down, my chest is still worth over a thousand. As in he will pay me that should I be ready to sell. There is a whole local industry based on cruising around in old trucks on bulk trash pickup day. America is drowning in stuff. Economic problems are very real, not minimizing. But we got stuff.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 31 2020 12:47 utc | 138

lizzie dw @ 92

I just bought a nice Ralph Loren shirts and paid $$$. Guess what, it was Made in India.

Bought some 100% cotton dish towel in IKEA, they were Made in Bangladesh.

Just check out some pairs of Nick shoes, they are Made in Indonesia or Made in Vietnam.

Want to buy EPSON Ecotank printers, they are made Made in Indonesia or Made in Malaysia.

Go to H&M, you'd find tons of the cloth are Made in Bangladesh or even Made in Myanmar.

The lists can go on and on.

You, and any others who believe that Trump's tough trade war against China would bring back the manufacturing jobs, should go to your local Walmart, Nick shops and electronic stores to check out the origin land(s) of the products. .

American companies, also Eruopean and Japanese ones for that matter, have moved their manufacturing, esp. low skilled production away from China to other low wage countries, such as Vietnam (big on producing sneakers), Bangladesh (cheap cloth), Indonesia, India, etc ca 10 years ago when Chinese workers' wage going up. Long before 2016 when Trump came to power. These manufacturing work will NEVER go back to US so long your American workers' wages are deemed too high by the capitalist owners aka shareholders, who owns the Ralph Lauren, Apples & Co, that hurts their profit margin.

To maximise their profit, these American/European/Japanese firms would continue to shift their production to the lowest cost places.

The problem lies in the foundation of the capitalist system (euphemism as free market).

The problem has nothing to do with who your president is, Biden or Trump or whomever before/after them.

The problem has nothing to do with how Chinese work and live, how CPC governs China nor the "human rights/freedom of speech" of Uyghur/Tiebetan/HKer/Taiwanese.

Bringing the manufacturing job back is just a political manipulation of words unless the fundamental is to be changed, which is hardly possible at present.

Posted by: lulu | Oct 31 2020 12:47 utc | 139

I'm still wondering how you win a trade war with China when you have allowed a huge percentage of your industrial base to be exported to China and most of what you make is digital currency?

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 31 2020 12:56 utc | 140

China has been dumping dollars in exchange for commodities. There will soon come a day when China refuses to exchange its goods and services for the "unlimited" fiat dollars now being handed out buy the thousands of billions by the banksters at the Fed/Treasury (80% going to big banks who are not required to keep any records of what they do with that "money"). Soon hyperinflation will be evidenced by rapidly rising prices in the US -- and in all the other Western fiat currencies -- because the US, along with its vassal states, have completely lost control of the expansion of their currencies.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 31 2020 13:13 utc | 141

Another way the China Narrative is similar to the Russia narrative -- non-support of region independence

Mar 27, 2014 - General Assembly Adopts Resolution Calling upon States Not To Recognize Changes in Status of Crimea Region - 100 Votes in Favour, 11 against, 58 Abstentions for Text on Ukraine -- The General Assembly today affirmed its commitment to Ukraine’s sovereignty, political independence, unity and territorial integrity within its internationally recognized borders, underscoring the invalidity of the 16 March referendum held in autonomous Crimea. . .here

1972: "The US acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China. The [US] does not challenge that position." . .here . . and The United States does not support Taiwan independence. .here. .which effectively negates Taiwan's claim of independence here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 31 2020 14:50 utc | 142

Politics, alcohol and frothing at the mouth is a recipe for disaster. Ms Galkina is probably responsible for the pee-pee disaster and the alcohol. Rick Wilson and John McCain did the frothing. 4chan played them all by creating a fanzine to doxx Wilson (via his son who posted pee porn) and selling this to Galkina as genuine. The unintelligence agencies bought it hook, line and sinker

Posted by: Kula | Nov 1 2020 4:16 utc | 143

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