Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 02, 2020

U.S. President Trump Has Caught 'The Flu'

U.S. President Donald Trump and his wife tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Both do not (yet) show symptoms.

The immediate index case is likely one of his top aides:

News of the Trumps' positive tests came just hours after it was reported that the president's top aide Hope Hicks had tested positive for the coronavirus. White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has tested negative for the virus, a senior White House official told CBS News.

Trump and his aide have had lots of recent contacts:

There is no one closer to Mr. Trump than Ms. Hicks, who returned to the White House this year after leaving her position as communications director in 2018, and on Wednesday traveled with the president on Air Force One to Minnesota. She began feeling sick around the time of the campaign rally he held there, according to one person familiar with the events, and was quarantined on the return flight to Washington, where she disembarked from the back entrance of the plane.

Her positive diagnosis came on Thursday, according to the person familiar with her case, but the White House made no announcement about the situation, and Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, who had also been on the plane and exposed to Ms. Hicks, then held a briefing with reporters without mentioning it or wearing a mask.

Only after Bloomberg News reported Ms. Hicks’s condition did Mr. Trump confirm it during an appearance on Thursday night on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News, where he said he was waiting for his own test results.

Despite knowing that his aide had tested positive and had probably already infected him Trump still held a fundraiser:

"After White House officials learned of Hicks’ symptoms, Trump & his entourage flew to New Jersey, where he attended a fundraiser & delivered a speech. Trump was in close contact with dozens of other people, including campaign supporters at a roundtable."

There will probably be a whole cluster of infected people around the president:

Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing - 7:48 UTC · Oct 2, 2020

BREAKING—we now know Hope Hicks’s testing timeline:
📌 Tuesday before debate: NEGATIVE
📌 Wednesday morning: NEGATIVE
📌 Wednesday mid day illness onset
📌 Wednesday mid day: POSITIVE
📌 Thursday evening Trump and FLOTUS: POSITIVE
Incubation period thread below. #COVID19

The White House has been using a relatively unreliable quick tests and additional RT-PCR testing when the quick test showed a probably positive case. The wording of the White House physician statement seems to say that Trump has had both tests:

This evening I received confirmation that both President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Dr. Ding's thread includes some interesting graphics.


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Depending on the point in time Trump was infected he might have infected candidate Joe Biden on Tuesday during their quite lively debate.


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This shows the time periods during which the various tests will more or less react:


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Trump and his wife may still have five days before symptoms might appear.

Trump is 74 years old and obese. He has a quite high risk of a bad outcome:


(Note: The percentages shown above are rough estimates and only approximate the real numbers.)
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The White House and Trump personally have been extremely negligent with regards to infection protection. Just two week ago we noted that Israeli and Arab delegations, including the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahoo, met unprotected at the White House to sign an agreement. At the same time several White House staffers tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

Trump's daughter said that it was "A historic moment":


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There is already a lot of joking about Trump's earlier statements about how its 'just a flu' and how 'it will go away' :

Trump: I tested positive for Covid... actually I tested more positive than anyone. Doctors are amazed by how positive I tested, they can't believe it, they tell me, Donald, you are over 100 percent covid, it defies known science, which of course... science is fake news ...

I am sure the White House has lots of hydroxychloroquine for Trump to take."With zinc!" of course. But I guess that his doctors will tell him to avoid it because of the cardiac risk at his age.

I do not wish anyone, not even Trump, to get Covid-19. May this whole development be a lesson to him.

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Here's one I've yet to see on this thread: "As Covid-19 Infections Increase on Capitol Hill, HHS Secretary Azar Says Public Health Protocols Don't Apply to President's Inner Circle!!
'Someone explain to me how the Trump family's refusal to wear a mask can be justified by Azar on the grounds that the family is in a 'protective bubble' when both Trump and Melania are infected?'"

That's in line with Nixon's If the president does it it's not illegal crapola. Here's the first paragraph:

"Democratic lawmakers were incredulous after Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar on Friday testified following President Donald Trump's Covid-19 diagnosis that the Trump family can't be expected to take the precautions that public health experts recommend, while also claiming the spread of the coronavirus to more than 7.3 million Americans is a matter of 'individual responsibility.'"

I suppose they don't need to wipe their asses either. Azar ought to resign. A bit more:

"Members of the Trump family were also present at the White House event last Saturday where Republicans celebrated the president's nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the U.S. Supreme Court, where many attendees were unmasked. The gathering is now thought to have been a 'superspreader' event, with at least seven attendees having tested positive for Covid-19 on Friday, including Sens. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah) and former Trump advisor Kellyanne Conway."

Apparently, the GOP critters at the hearing refused to mask up too. It's a no brainer why China beat the bug--the executive branch is filled with a crew that is incapable of doing the job they were assigned--the failure of government Reagan ranted about finally occurred during a R-Party admin.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 4 2020 1:03 utc | 301

Circe #225

Putin's hold on power is of the absolute variety. He crushes anyone from any political spectrum who threatens it, and while he has a soft spot for the Left that might remind him of his uncorrupted youth; they are a thorn in his side like Zionists but Zionists let Putin be Putin as long he let's Zionism flourish. In other words, the Left is more of a threat and more ideologically hostile to Putin's power than Zionism. Ergo, the dirty alliance Trump-Zionism-Putin.

CRAP. The Russian ELECTORATE crushes people they don't like (see Navalny) because they know a snake oil salesman when they hear one. There is more proof that Trump has a soft spot for religions than there is proof of any support for the left. As for Putin's alleged soft spot for Israel - I don't agree. Kidd gloves maybe, but then they are not nice to mess with - ask Corbyn and thousands like him. Putin is cautious and like any martial arts practitioner allows plenty of time for the enemy to trip themselves up or tire and chase some other prey. Seems to work ok for now.

Yes the Russian left is "more of a threat and more ideologically hostile to Putin's power than Zionism" and that is represented in the left political achievements at elections. The Russian people have so far not drank of the US cool aid. Sipping the bottle but not rushing in as they are fully aware of the thieving oligarchs led by the USA just as Putin rose to power. Russian people have a far more acute and nuanced memory of history than you give them credit for Circe. The USA sense of history and subtlety is about on par with an ant nest.

The term 'left' is so abused and blurred and you are part of that blurring Circe, the left is socialist and anti-capitalist and somewhat liberal minded but it is not confused or distracted by identity politics. People of limited ideological subtlety or dim critical faculties get distracted by that propaganda. They might have left notions but that does not mean they are left. The USA propaganda machine works ceaselessly to denigrate anything of the left and has done so for two centuries so it will take a while for the fog of fear and BS to dissipate, if ever.

Please refrain from accusing others of being Trump apologists or clever propagandists as I might have to question the extraordinary lengths you now go to support Biden.

All war mongers are to be avoided and denounced not just the red ones. Bernie Sanders has come out now and endorsed the Blue war criminals! effectively sabotaging many of the left in the USA. That is where the real apologists lie.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 4 2020 2:02 utc | 302

Everyone says hospitals are dangerous places. If the curse proves true and Trump soon dies, I think it would be more likely that some agent sneaked in and poisoned him,.rather than the virus. These people think nothing of offing a president.

Posted by: Justmiming | Oct 4 2020 2:25 utc | 303

karlof1 #302

Thank you karlof1, Alex Azar must be on speed or any substance that creates the illusion of 'invincible'. I delight in the possibility that Amy Barrett and her brood might be the super spreaders. What a delight is that lady karma! More twists than an octopus.

To have an administration infested with invincibles from the 'West Point class of '86' and to then end up in the latrine of history from a virus is just too good. Reminds me of Snotlout's remark to Gumboil - "Just too good, hold my drink while I go in for the kill shot" or words to that effect.

Remind me to recommend all oligarch children to attend West Point.

The other upside to this karmic circus is to contemplate how Bernie Sanders would have fared (had he been honest) if he had run as an independent and the election was really between the Biden Harris duopoly and a Sanders Turner team. Sad the lost opportunity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 4 2020 2:27 utc | 304

@gm and @Uncle Tungsten aptly hit on it IMO: the national security mafia can easily “COVIDCHOK” anybody they want using the Fort Detrick pathogen. It’s all part of the plan they make up as they proceed along their nefarious ways.

Posted by: norecovery | Oct 4 2020 4:46 utc | 305

re norecovery | Oct 4 2020 4:46 utc | 306's
IMO: the national security mafia can easily “COVIDCHOK” anybody they want using the Fort Detrick pathogen.
Doubt you'd find many around here to argue with that, but that's isn't the issue, now is it?

The issue is why would they bother? It makes zero difference to the owners if it is trump, pence, biden or harris or even the other one, pelosi, boasting that it is themself who is 'king of the world'.
Owners don't care what these unpleasant little toadies claim, it just words - untruthful words to boot. They know the prez isn't king, they are, what's more they also know whichever unpleasant little toady it is who's prez that week, that arsehole will do exactly as he/she is told.
The notion of any owners/elites/ 'deep state' whatever, deciding to off any of those 5 low lifes is laughable.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 4 2020 6:23 utc | 306

@arby | Oct 3 2020 22:47 utc | 288

Caitlin Johnstone chimes in with a good one
His ‘Opposition’ Always Saw Him As Part Of The Club

An excellent article by Caitlin, thanks.

[The elites] are nervous for the same reason you’d get nervous if your dog suddenly remembered its wolf heritage and started killing trespassing deer. They know they are outnumbered. They know our teeth are sharp.

....

[The Democrats'] job isn’t to resist Trump, their job is to resist you. He’s in the club [of the one-percent], you’re not. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it.


Posted by: Cyril | Oct 4 2020 6:29 utc | 307

Over 300 comments and four pages? Seriously?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 4 2020 8:26 utc | 308

RSH @ 309
Yes it’s going to be a long journey !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGeCeK85sUg

Stay safe.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 4 2020 9:00 utc | 309

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 4 2020 9:00 utc | 310

Public Service Notice: Never send me to a Youtube link, at least not without identifying the video on the end of the link. Because then Youtube will want to "recommend" on my home page even more stuff that I'm absolutely not interested in.

I download a *lot* (gigabytes) of Youtube videos every day and their "recommendations" are invariably crap, completely outside the sort of videos I do download (prepping, martial arts, hacking, firearms, etc.) I have to spend a lot of time telling Youtube to never show me that channel again, and also tell them that, yes, I've already watched that video. If I accidentally click on one during that process, Youtube will start showing even more garbage. I really wish they'd allow us to *tell* them what subjects we're interested in. But of course, they wouldn't make any money that way... I try to do more searches than use the home page recommendations or even subscriptions. Subscriptions are stupid, too - I subscribe and they immediately want to show me every video the channel put out for the last ten years - and then I have to tell Youtube I've seen those, too, just to shut them up.

Google is run by idiots, like every other big corporation.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 4 2020 9:53 utc | 310

RSH #309

I just tooktime out to watch Joe Rogan latest. Beats sitting death watch on Trump. Good episode - psychtropics and religion - dont miss it.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 4 2020 10:58 utc | 311

Even when Trump himself actually tells you he's doing better, which means he is being treated with the best healthcare in the entire country, there are crazies on this site, reaching for absurd conspiracies that someone's out to get him. The nature of Covid itself is such that in an older person it can take a turn for the worse even a week or more later like happened with the other pampered clown Bozo Bojo.

Some of you need to be in the other hospital with people like you who see things that aren't there.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 4 2020 11:09 utc | 312

George Floyd lied to the police repeatedly, he claimed he had just lost his mother, he hadn't. "He refused to sit in the police car claiming to be claustrophobic, yet when the police arrived he was happily sitting in his own car, with the windows shut.
He was also clearly in an abnormal mental state, either intoxicated or mentally disturbed or both. It is astonishing that someone so obviously paranoid about the police would refuse the chance he was given to make good the transaction made with a counterfeit note, thus involving the police in the first place.
He also clearly claimed that he couldn't breath before he was on the ground.
He asked to lay on the ground.
Additionally the toxicologists report suggests that he had a level of fentanyl in his blood which would normally be regarded as a fatal dose, one of the effects of which is difficulty breathing."

Point 1) Not a crime.
Point 2) Not a crime.
Point 3) Not a crime
Point 4) Not a crime
Point 5) The bill was not counterfeit, and even if it was the police could not have known or done anything about it without an investigation.
Point 6) Not relevant to the fact the officers ignored a man's plea that they already suspected was heavily intoxicated and may have been a medical emergency.

Whether George Floyd's death was murder of some degree or not, doesn't warrant getting lost in the practice of trying to judge the incident by comparing it to other incidents of horrible policing.

We now know for sure something has to change about how much power police have and what their scope of work should be. More importantly, who is allowed to train them and who trains their trainers.

We also need to ensure who gets hired is mentally stable and is trained to de-escalate situations instead of escalate them.

What happens and how it gets reported or even "promoted" by MSN matters not. This is one of their tactics used to ensure no consensus is reached, and therefore no unity by the demos that could result in changing industry goals such as using police to protect the powerful from the masses.

No drastic changes can occur as long as the elite pit the "enforcers" against the demos. Revolutions are rarely ever successful until the enforcers refuse to follow the orders of the corrupt and delusional powers in charge.


Posted by: dave | Oct 4 2020 12:15 utc | 313

@ Posted by: Justmiming | Oct 4 2020 2:25 utc | 304

Trump's death changes almost nothing in the political landscape of both the American right and the American left.

Assuming he dies, Mike Pence becomes the candidate and the heir apparent for 2024, Nikki Haley, gets into the ticket now as veep. The only difference here is the plan advanced by four years.

Posted by: vk | Oct 4 2020 13:05 utc | 314

Posted by: vk | Oct 4 2020 13:05 utc | 315

Trump's death changes almost nothing in the political landscape of both the American right and the American left.

Assuming he dies, Mike Pence becomes the candidate and the heir apparent for 2024, Nikki Haley, gets into the ticket now as veep. The only difference here is the plan advanced by four years.

Well, that's true, but Trump is a relatively unusual personality, there are vast hordes or people who depend on him, just as with the Clintons, and who will be relegated to the political outer darkness without him, and they all can be expected to engage in all sorts of conniptions, just as the Clintons have been doing. So I think all sorts of shit will be on the table if he becomes deceased. Not to mention the struggle over who gets to be President suddenly thrown wide open again. Pence himself is a good example of people who won't be there without Trump, why else have the Pubbies been backing him all this time, they have nothing else. Both parties are politically bankrupt influence sellers. Bernie the White Knight has collapsed in a puddle of mush. The demos seems disillusioned and angry. The possibility of a political phase transition seem very real.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 4 2020 13:35 utc | 315

Uncle Tungsten 303:

" [Circe,] Please refrain from accusing others of being Trump apologists or clever propagandists as I might have to question the extraordinary lengths you now go to support Biden."

He won't because he can't. He is, after all, the "hysterical drug-witch" (hats off to William Gruff on that one).

Better to nudge him to take his "Trump is the Anti-Christ" carnival side show elsewhere.

OTOH, he probably won't do that either. Looks like we're stuck with him...

Posted by: expat | Oct 4 2020 15:02 utc | 316

Well, four pages but still page space left to fill.

The rapid tests vary widely in accuracy. The much touted Abbott rapid test has been reported to fail to indicate the presence of virus (false negatives) at high percentages. It appears these tests are not being used as advised, as part of broader clinical evaluation.

Further, Chris Wallace reported that the Trumps arrived too late for testing debate day so they used the honor system. He he he

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https://jcm.asm.org/content/58/8/e01136-20

“Abbott ID Now COVID-19 had negative results in a third of the samples that tested positive by Cepheid Xpert Xpress when using nasopharyngeal swabs in viral transport media and 45% when using dry nasal swabs.”

Posted by: suzan | Oct 4 2020 15:04 utc | 317

IF his suspiciously timed contraction of 'the flu' gives him the boost in the polls his campaign chiefs desperately require, expect to see young Donny 'take a sudden turn for the worse' as they milk it for every vote they can.
Otherwise, expect to see him back on the hustings having 'easily fought it off' due to his 'health / vitality / superior genetics / strength / vigour'... ad nauseum.

Posted by: LeoNemo | Oct 4 2020 16:29 utc | 318

Posted by: Circe | Oct 4 2020 11:09 utc | 313 Even when Trump himself actually tells you he's doing better

LOL So we're listening to anything Trump says now? Talk about seeing things that aren't there.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 4 2020 22:53 utc | 319

@expat RE Circe. He is a She. I believe. Hence RSH's nicety about witches. Don't waste your time. She has been wrong about almost everything she screeches here. Its a bar right.... picture the hammered woman who wants attention, that's Circe. She isn't interested in actual discussion either.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 5 2020 2:26 utc | 320

When there are no symptoms, rational people don't think they have 'caught' anything. And when people get the real flu, they have symptoms and they get sick. The rest of the pictures are BS.

Posted by: Henry B | Oct 5 2020 4:05 utc | 321

If it was serious Mike Pence would be in charge. Or maybe Trump is the marketing guy and Mike Pence is in charge anyway.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 4 2020 8:26 utc | 309

This is the point. Trump got a lot of free coverage and human interest four weeks before the election.

I have a problem accepting that Trump, Johnson, Bolsonaro got the virus but no one from the "normal" politicians.

Posted by: Linda Amick | Oct 4 2020 0:32 utc | 301

I doubt Trump can do anything without it being an "act". He can do now two things without losing people's sympathy

- claim that the economy is of upmost importance for the wellbeing of people

and/or

- lock the country down to control the elections.

Let's see.

Maybe they were careless because they did not believe the virus. But Trump is known as a germaphope.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 5 2020 10:36 utc | 322

Posted by: somebody | Oct 5 2020 10:36 utc | 324

"Maybe they were careless because they did not believe the virus. But Trump is known as a germaphope."

Well it worked for Boris right? And as you say, everything with Trump is an act, he will be hamming it up with his last breath, worried about how he looks.

But Boris did not infect a bunch of his fellow big shots, so for now I still think Trump's really sick. If he recovers, then the acting will really come to the fore, pleas for sympathy (and cash), taking of credit, tearful epiphanies, and so on.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 5 2020 10:55 utc | 323

@ dave (314)

What part of "I haven't got the time or the inclination to list all of the things I am NOT saying" did you not understand?

My complaint concerned the casual assumption that the incident was murder when a trial has not yet taken place. The first points were, fairly obviously I thought, confirming that the police accounts of the earlier part of the encounter were true.

Re: "The bill was not counterfeit and even if it was...."

1) An evidence free assertion followed by an admission that you just made it up. If you look at the context and actually thought about it you might understand that even if Floyd was not convinced the bill was counterfeit, it was highly likely the police would be arriving regardless.

Re: My point 6) "Additionally the toxicologists report suggests that he had a level of fentanyl in his blood which would normally be regarded as a fatal dose, one of the effects of which is difficulty breathing."

In the context of my overall argument that was obviously intended to make the point that even the cause of death was hardly clear cut (remember that I was complaining about the use of the word murder before a trial has taken place) At no point did I suggest that Derek Chauvin acted either wisely or correctly. Again what part of "I haven't got the time or the inclination to list all of the things I am NOT saying" did you not understand? If nothing else he seemed completely oblivious to how the incident might appear to bystanders and showed a total lack of imagination about 'what could possibly go wrong' It doesn't appear to have occurred to him what it would look like if Floyd died of a drug overdose or an unidentified medical condition.

I will take the opportunity to make the point (which I omitted earlier) is that if a person is asphyxiating because of mechanical compression, it seems highly unlikely that they would be able to repeat over and over that they couldn't breathe and at a volume clearly audible to people ten metres away. Given that last point and Floyd's penchant for gratuitously lying, it is hardly surprising that he wasn't believed.

I do not contest your view that US policing needs considerable reform. I have seen enough gratuitous police shootings online to know that. However, the Floyd case is hardly one of the worst and it is obvious that the incident has been deliberately orchestrated and sensationalised and potentially mitigating evidence suppressed. The comparison with the Daniel Shaver case was intended to illustrate that point and underline the hypocrisy of the US media.

So at the point that the police arrived which suspect would you have changed places with? George Floyd (assuming for arguments sake that he did not die of a drug overdose) had many opportunities to do things differently and avoid his unkind fate. What chance did Daniel Shaver have? His only chance to live was to successfully guess that when the terrifying, homicidal cop said "crawl" he really meant "stick your hands in the air and walk towards me on your knees" I'm only guessing but I reckon that quite a few people might have gotten that one wrong.

So you have done your bit and argued with the heretic who has committed the heinous sin of doubting the sacred testament, so why not collect your Wokemon points and get lost.


Posted by: MarkU | Oct 5 2020 15:17 utc | 324

Tannenhouser @Oct5 2:26 @321

RE Circe. He is a She. I believe.

No. The person writing under the handle "Circe" is male.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 5 2020 15:36 utc | 325

List of meds Trump is reported to be receiving at Walter Reed Hospital, with explanations of Rx action

Trump is receiving the highest permitted dose (8 grams, intravenous) of the experimental Regeneron antibody cocktail, and the remdesivir (a repurposed antiviral drug developed originally for treating Ebola) must be given iv., in a clinical facility, once a day for *five days*. This is inconsistent with the press release statements implying likelihood of Trump release today, after only ~3 days since entering W.R. as inpatient.

The use of the corticosteroid/anti-inflammatory drug dexamethasone, and the histamine blocker famotidine, suggest that doctors are concerned about preventing/suppressing the body's possible so-called 'cytokine storm' reaction, a cascading/damaging immune overresponse to the ncov19 infection.

More details here:
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/10/05/the-presidents-coronavirus-treatment


Posted by: gm | Oct 5 2020 16:05 utc | 326


As predicted trump got over Covid quickly and is saying that it is no big deal

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313186529058136070

Posted by: jinn | Oct 5 2020 19:02 utc | 327

@Posted by: jinn | Oct 5 2020 19:02 utc | 329

What comes to support the strong impression on that it was all a propaganda stunt..to try to overcome the last low polls...

What is a shame is that the doctors at that medical center collaborate in this...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Oct 5 2020 19:23 utc | 328

@Posted by: jinn | Oct 5 2020 19:02 utc | 329

Well, it seems an operation to finance the campaign...amongst other goals...

'Disgraceful Arrogance': Netizens Stunned by Presale of 'Trump Defeats COVID' Commemorative Coin

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Oct 5 2020 19:35 utc | 329

I do not contest your view that US policing needs considerable reform. I have seen enough gratuitous police shootings online to know that. However, the Floyd case is hardly one of the worst ... MarkU | Oct 5 2020 15:17 utc

Yea, he was killed but once, and had "pre-existing conditions". Perhaps it would not get an honorable spot for most gratuitous and cruel killing by police in this year, but the case has fetid aspects. Number one, I read that Floyd entered the police van, and subsequently he was moved out and force was applied. I read nothing about Floyd physically resisting at that point. I cannot imagine any legally and morally justified explanation. Second, the method of applying force could achieve only one stinking purpose: inflicting pain or even killing while avoiding looking too bad -- dragging a handcuffed person from the van and clobbering him would look worse.
And what was their plan? Kneeling on him until lunch time or the end of shift? Killing him was almost a bonus -- from the cases I have read, it is easier to sentence police for battery when the victim survives.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 5 2020 20:38 utc | 330

"An International Group of Lawyers Have Brought a Lawsuit that the Covid Pandemic Is an Orchestrated Hoax in Behalf of Pharmaceutical Profits and Police State Control" (PCR). It appears they operate out of Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr04gHbP5MQ

Posted by: imo | Oct 6 2020 3:12 utc | 331

Posted by: imo | Oct 6 2020 3:12 utc | 333

Or Robert F Junior fighting and winning cases for vaccine safety.

There is a big scientific and legal fight in Germany against "Corona measures".

And scene - Trump has just proved you can survive Corona.

So we are here at October surprise. Which is not really a surprise.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 6 2020 8:01 utc | 332

It is now quite clear that Trump getting the virus was totally fake. It is unbelievable how low it has got to.

Posted by: John26 | Oct 6 2020 11:53 utc | 333

Kellyanne Conway's daughter, Claudia ,15, has set Twitter afire with some comments on TikTok to the effect that the POTUS is a lot worse than he wants to admit.

Claudia herself has the virus, just as her mother and complains that she has trouble breathing, just like the POTUS.

Check @TrumpCovidTakes on twitter.

The fact is that while he is administered antiviral drugs to minimise the invasion, he has received corticosteroids also which diminish the intensity of the immune system reaction but lowers the ability of the body to fight the invasion.

The steroids make him feel good but are a double edge sword.

I believe that climbing the stairs to the WH, which he did slowly, was more than his respiratory system could handle. So he had to remove the mask to improve his breathing.

Many have seen this gesture as an improper and reckless example to his supporters, specially in view of his earlier, irresponsible, tweet urging people not to take Covid19 seriously.

It seems that the POTUS is willing to decimate his staff at the white House.

Posted by: CarlD | Oct 6 2020 14:12 utc | 334

MarkU @99
"I presume by that statement that you have no respect for the principle that a person should be presumed innocent until proven guilty."

A fortiori a person would not only be found guilty but also executed by uniformed attack dogs playing judge, jury and hangman.

Even if found guilty, what would he be guilty of? You say it yourself:
"lied to the police repeatedly... refused to sit in the police car claiming to be claustrophobic... clearly in an abnormal mental state, either intoxicated or mentally disturbed or both... He also clearly claimed that he couldn't breath before he was on the ground.... report suggests that he had a level of fentanyl in his blood which would normally be regarded as a fatal dose, one of the effects of which is difficulty breathing."

Is any one of these charges enough for a death penalty, even if proved without the shadow of a doubt? Yes or no?

And isn't the uniformed attack dog under the obligation to pay attention to the danger of maiming and killing his charges -- because it then automatically becomes murder?

You must be seriously sick. No other way of saying it.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Oct 6 2020 22:25 utc | 335

Trump is trying to pull the wool over most America's eyes again. Covid -19,not even the flu,these guys can't even keep their stories straight,the GOP,white house and the doctors are all in on this scam.

Posted by: Henri | Oct 8 2020 2:36 utc | 336

What's up? akismet & the spam filters n/w? More likely scumbag spammers who have been more & more prevalent in the last 4 days have found a loophole.
I reckon it is time for us all to sling a coupla bucks to b so he can beef up the protection properly, without having to use any of the cheaparse corporate censorship/informer schemes like cloudflare.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 12 2020 11:55 utc | 337

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