Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 02, 2020

U.S. President Trump Has Caught 'The Flu'

U.S. President Donald Trump and his wife tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Both do not (yet) show symptoms.

The immediate index case is likely one of his top aides:

News of the Trumps' positive tests came just hours after it was reported that the president's top aide Hope Hicks had tested positive for the coronavirus. White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has tested negative for the virus, a senior White House official told CBS News.

Trump and his aide have had lots of recent contacts:

There is no one closer to Mr. Trump than Ms. Hicks, who returned to the White House this year after leaving her position as communications director in 2018, and on Wednesday traveled with the president on Air Force One to Minnesota. She began feeling sick around the time of the campaign rally he held there, according to one person familiar with the events, and was quarantined on the return flight to Washington, where she disembarked from the back entrance of the plane.

Her positive diagnosis came on Thursday, according to the person familiar with her case, but the White House made no announcement about the situation, and Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary, who had also been on the plane and exposed to Ms. Hicks, then held a briefing with reporters without mentioning it or wearing a mask.

Only after Bloomberg News reported Ms. Hicks’s condition did Mr. Trump confirm it during an appearance on Thursday night on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News, where he said he was waiting for his own test results.

Despite knowing that his aide had tested positive and had probably already infected him Trump still held a fundraiser:

"After White House officials learned of Hicks’ symptoms, Trump & his entourage flew to New Jersey, where he attended a fundraiser & delivered a speech. Trump was in close contact with dozens of other people, including campaign supporters at a roundtable."

There will probably be a whole cluster of infected people around the president:

Eric Feigl-Ding @DrEricDing - 7:48 UTC · Oct 2, 2020

BREAKING—we now know Hope Hicks’s testing timeline:
📌 Tuesday before debate: NEGATIVE
📌 Wednesday morning: NEGATIVE
📌 Wednesday mid day illness onset
📌 Wednesday mid day: POSITIVE
📌 Thursday evening Trump and FLOTUS: POSITIVE
Incubation period thread below. #COVID19

The White House has been using a relatively unreliable quick tests and additional RT-PCR testing when the quick test showed a probably positive case. The wording of the White House physician statement seems to say that Trump has had both tests:

This evening I received confirmation that both President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

Dr. Ding's thread includes some interesting graphics.


Depending on the point in time Trump was infected he might have infected candidate Joe Biden on Tuesday during their quite lively debate.


This shows the time periods during which the various tests will more or less react:


Trump and his wife may still have five days before symptoms might appear.

Trump is 74 years old and obese. He has a quite high risk of a bad outcome:

(Note: The percentages shown above are rough estimates and only approximate the real numbers.)

The White House and Trump personally have been extremely negligent with regards to infection protection. Just two week ago we noted that Israeli and Arab delegations, including the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahoo, met unprotected at the White House to sign an agreement. At the same time several White House staffers tested positive for SARS-CoV-2.

Trump's daughter said that it was "A historic moment":


There is already a lot of joking about Trump's earlier statements about how its 'just a flu' and how 'it will go away' :

Trump: I tested positive for Covid... actually I tested more positive than anyone. Doctors are amazed by how positive I tested, they can't believe it, they tell me, Donald, you are over 100 percent covid, it defies known science, which of course... science is fake news ...

I am sure the White House has lots of hydroxychloroquine for Trump to take."With zinc!" of course. But I guess that his doctors will tell him to avoid it because of the cardiac risk at his age.

I do not wish anyone, not even Trump, to get Covid-19. May this whole development be a lesson to him.

Posted by b on October 2, 2020 at 11:00 UTC | Permalink

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“It is what it is” - Trump on COVID-19 death toll in the USA (August 4, 2020)

“It affects virtually nobody!” - Trump at Swanton, Ohio rally (September 21, 2020)

Posted by: Faazzla | Oct 2 2020 11:09 utc | 1


That should be your headline and the headline on every news outlet in the world.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 11:14 utc | 2

Best October surprise ever!

If creepy Joe gets it too, all bets are off.

Let the sh1tshow begin

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 2 2020 11:22 utc | 3

That Trump has Covid-19 is neither here nor there. Millions of Americans and people around the world do. Even Boris Johnson got it.

The joy certain people are experiencing at this moment is the real story.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 2 2020 11:22 utc | 4

Couldn't have happened to a nicer chap 😉

Posted by: Bob | Oct 2 2020 11:35 utc | 5

here is my prediction:
All 3 end up having a very mild case (no worse than the flu) and 2 weeks from now Trump will be telling everyone, "see I told you it was just another Democrat hoax"

It will be interesting to see if any of the people trump has been in contact with outside the White House get Covid.

Posted by: jinn | Oct 2 2020 11:39 utc | 6

Ahhh ... the Curse of Tippecanoe could strike again!

The curse refers to US Presidents elected in years divisible by the number 20 dying in office, not necessarily in the term that starts the year after the election occurring in the year that is divisible by the number 20.

James the musician in British Columbia, you're the resident astrologer here I presume?

"Tecumseh's Curse" by Marjorie Orr

[Jupiter–Saturn conjunctions have] a special relevance to the United States and American history. One of the key dates after the Declaration of 1776, when hostilities with the British came to an end and American independence was formally recognized in 1783, fell during the Saturn–Jupiter conjunction in Capricorn.

More tragically, every American president in the past 200 years who has been inaugurated on a Jupiter–Saturn conjunction has either been assassinated or survived an assassination attempt or else has died while in office; only two, Thomas Jefferson and James Munroe, are exceptions to this rule. And GW Bush though 9/11 happened on his watch which arguably soaked up the energy.

[John] F. Kennedy, elected in the hope of a new ‘Camelot’ in 1960, with Jupiter–Saturn in Capricorn, was dramatically shot in 1963 in Dallas. Ronald Reagan, elected on a ticket to reduce taxes, deregulate the economy and strengthen defences, was a Hollywood-style president, bringing flamboyant promises after Jimmy Carter’s lacklustre term of office. Reagan, inaugurated under Jupiter–Saturn in Libra, survived serious injuries sustained in an assassination attempt in 1981.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, the reforming president, was voted in for an unprecedented four terms, the second of which, in 1940, fell during Jupiter–Saturn in Taurus. He created a mood of hope with his uplifting ‘fireside chat’ style of radio broadcast. He died in office three months after his fourth inauguration in 1945, aged 63.

Warren Harding, elected in 1920 with Jupiter–Saturn in Taurus, an unremarkable compromise candidate, represented a desire for normality after the unsettled years of the First World War. His sudden, early death at the age of 58 in 1923 was attributed to the shock of learning of the imminent exposure of corruption in his Cabinet, on a scale unprecedented in White House history.

William McKinley, voted to a second term of office in 1900 under Jupiter–Saturn in Capricorn, was an expansionist president who added to America’s colonial empire and aggressively boosted trade on a global scale. He survived less than a year of his second term, being shot by an anarchist on 19 September and dying eight days later; he was 58 years old.

James Garfield, elected with Jupiter–Saturn in Taurus in 1880, upset his party by insisting on the freedom to make political appointments as he chose, and was shot by a deranged admirer of his critics in the July of his inauguration year, dying two months later from the wounds, aged 50. He was succeeded by Chester Arthur, whose health suffered badly under the strain of office.

Most famously of all Abraham Lincoln, elected for his first term of office on the Jupiter–Saturn conjunction of 1860 in Virgo, promoted national unity and declared an end to slavery. He survived through the years of the Civil War to his second term, but was shot by an actor in April 1865, months after his second inauguration; he was 56.

Elected in 1841 on the run-up to the conjunction in Capricorn, William Henry Harrison campaigned on his military reputation as a log-cabin frontiersman and victor over the Native Americans. He caught pneumonia at his inauguration and died a month later.

Intriguingly Thomas Jefferson, born in 1763 and one of only two presidents to survive a Jupiter–Saturn election, has the conjunction in his birth chart in Leo and Virgo. Roosevelt, who was born in 1882 and who survived through to his fourth term, also has a Saturn–Jupiter conjunction in Taurus in his chart.

What Orr omits to say, but which I have seen on some other online sites, is that for the "curse" to be effective, such Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions (which occur every 20 years) usually take place in the so-called Earth signs: Capricorn, Taurus, Virgo.

The last such conjunction occurred in the sign of Taurus in the year 2000. As we all know, George W Bush became President in that year yet survived both his terms. Although it could be argued that since he scraped in through the blessing of the Electoral College and some dubious vote counts in Florida state that year, he wasn't a legit target for the curse.

Reagan survived the assassination attempt in 1981 as the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction of 1980 occurred in the sign of Libra (not an earth sign).

The next Jupiter-Saturn conjunction takes place in December 2020 in the sign of Aquarius.

All the above not to be taken seriously of course.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 2 2020 11:42 utc | 7

Just had to have his pretty girl, Hope Hicks, back by his side, didn't he?

The karma in all aspects of this situation is really laid on thick.

Posted by: teri | Oct 2 2020 11:46 utc | 8

I keep feeling like I'm a bit player in a bad movie.

Seriously, Hope has symptoms, Trump has a positive test, Trump is likely infections right now, and has been for a couple days. Hope for a week maybe, and all running around without msks. This is going to be an interesting real-world experiment in how Corona spreads.

Definitely a bad movie, most unlikely plot line.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 2 2020 11:54 utc | 9

Best case scenario here is that the conservative voter base in the U.S. learns a lesson and not just Donald Trump.

I wish the wars in Afghanistan and Yemen (among others) would catch the virus next so more people could "learn a lesson" about those things.

Posted by: Rutherford82 | Oct 2 2020 11:59 utc | 10

Here’s what Trump did leading up to positive coronavirus test

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 2 2020 12:01 utc | 11

All kayfabe. We don’t know the script. The writers may not have the full script yet. No reason to take any of this as reality.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 2 2020 12:07 utc | 12

While I do enjoy the irony of Trump getting infected, it should surprise no one. What strikes me is the glee that his detractors gloat in. Like pigs wallowing in shit.

It's just another facet of our mean-spirited, stupid species that we foment, nay rejoice in, such hatred towards each other. This is why, no matter you be demobrat or repugnantkin or "independent," humans will probably not survive the real challenges that face us. I'd much rather we discuss crumbling infrastructure, the increasing likelihood of catastrophic crop failure on a global scale. Hell I'd rather talk about installing glass in the windows of 80% of the schools in inner city America than Trump's waistline.

We simply are not evolving fast enough to manage the carnage we create through our self loathing. Anyone who knows the first thing about magic should understand that wishing for harm on another is bound to backfire. I hope you are all prepared.

Posted by: Covergirl | Oct 2 2020 12:10 utc | 13

here is my prediction:
All 3 end up having a very mild case (no worse than the flu)
Posted by: jinn | Oct 2 2020 11:39 utc | 6

My first though jinn

right in time, since propaganda-wise: didn't he after all take the drug everyone should have?

Posted by: xy et al | Oct 2 2020 12:18 utc | 14

All that glee... even b. lets it ooze out between the lines.
Just proves how the West is doomed, without a return to the basic principles of Christianity.

Prediction update: Trump in a landslide.

Posted by: michael | Oct 2 2020 12:43 utc | 15

@2 Circe: you should hope not, because if there is, you know where people who take joy from others' misfortune and suffering will end up.

Posted by: Zweckpessimist | Oct 2 2020 12:44 utc | 16

yeah october surprise indeed.
crazy possibilities, if either Trump or Biden or a couple of Republican Senators, were to get seriously ill

Posted by: ptb | Oct 2 2020 12:45 utc | 17

Having been jailed by the British in pre-independence India was "de rigueur" among Indian politicians seeking office.

Seems that Bolsonaro, BoJo the Clown and now Trump are the fad setters - trendy politicians will now all get COVID and squeeze some sympathy out of the sheep.

Posted by: Simplicius | Oct 2 2020 12:46 utc | 18

You either can get a vaccine, which their own makers refuse to take liability ownership of. Or you get exposed, and get a natural immunity. All lockdowns did is kill the economy and gave a false impression of defeating a virus. If you are really worried, take Vitamin D as a preventative measure. Anyway if the worse happens and all deplorables die, shouldn't that make most of you here happy?

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Oct 2 2020 12:49 utc | 19

I am with OldHippie on this one. From a social engineering perspective this announcement increases F.U.D. and helps to ratchet up tensions in quite a few sectors. Remember with live in a "post truth world" -(R.Juliani)so this could be a PR ploy designed to send ripples through the markets, both RedBlue Uniparty factions, and manipulate expectations across the board.

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 2 2020 12:52 utc | 20

Reposting my comment from this morning in the open thread, as it's more relevant here.

Next question (always ask the next question): What will be the conspiracy theories over Trump getting the virus?

Here's one to play with: When the virus started in the US, Trump was convinced by certain advisers that the virus was not a problem and that politically he should treat it as a nothingburger. But the real goal of these advisers was to insure that shortly before the election Trump would be exposed to the virus - just in time to catch it and, being high-risk, die. And then Pence takes the office of President. Pence is 61 and appears to be in much better shape than Trump.

Then there's this: VP Pence would take power under 25th amendment if Trump becomes incapacitated from COVID - and GOP still has time to pick a replacement if president becomes too ill before the election

From a Guardian article posted an hour ago quoting a tweet:
Health Nerd (@GidMK)
Apropos of nothing, according to our systematic review and meta-analysis of the age-stratified IFR of COVID-19, a 74-year-old person who catches the disease has a 1 in 25 risk of death

So Trump is high-risk because he's 74 and overweight. Mostly likely he has chronic inflammation and given his nature and job, probably has hypertension as well - all comorbidities that increase his odds of dying if he gets the full pneumonia and has to go on a ventilator. As someone suggested, maybe this is the October surprise.

Of course, Trump might just get mild symptoms, get good enough medical treatment to avoid full-blown pneumonia, and survive. If he does, he gets the "sympathy vote". But over the next 2-14 days, probably 5 days, his case will incubate and he will develop symptoms. 7-10 days from now with symptoms, he will either get better or develop worse symptoms. Within 10-12 days from now Trump will be in an ICU if his symptoms worsen. If he goes into full-blown severe symptoms, this will continue from around days 12 to day 28. So by end of the month of October, he will either survive or die.

However, if he has the full-blown case, by end of the month of October, he may *still* be incapacitated to a great extent by muscle pains, neurological dysfunction, heart problems and other effects known to be caused by the disease. He might not be able to function as President or even vote for himself in the election.

So aside from the conspiracy theories, what happens if Trump can no longer function as President. I'll leave aside the joke that since he hasn't functioned as President yet, no one will notice. LOL But what happens if Pence becomes President because Trump dies before the election? Does Pence have a better or worse chance of beating Biden? Will Trump's death give Pence enough support to beat Biden? If Biden beats Pence, will Pence implement Trump's plans - if any - to cause a Constitutional crisis over the succession? If Pence wins, will this change any plans on the Democratic side?

Lots of nice juicy questions for everyone to get obsessed over. This could end up looking like a pandemic thread. LOL

UPDATE: Well, guess it now *is* a pandemic thread. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 2 2020 12:54 utc | 21

or you take reasonable precautions, wear a mask, social distance, etc. until there is a vaccine. the reason the economy is being killed is because the two parties are using the virus to siphon trillions of dollars to the already rich so they can play the stock market, while not supporting the middle class and lower, with resulting mass evictions, rising illness, etc.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 2 2020 12:54 utc | 22

Trump Tests Positive for Coronavirus, 48 Hours After Mocking Biden for Wearing a Mask

“I don’t wear a mask like him,” Trump said, gesturing toward Biden. “Every time you see him, he’s got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away from him and he shows up with the biggest mask I’ve ever seen.”

Biden responded by noting that the director of the Centers for Disease Control, Dr. Robert Redfield, just told Congress that nationwide mask-wearing could bring the pandemic under control in 6-12 weeks, potentially saving tens of thousands of lives. When Trump interrupted with the false claim that health experts have “also said the opposite,” about the effectiveness of masks, Biden replied dismissively, “No serious person’s said the opposite.”

Moments later, Trump also made fun of Biden for observing social distancing at small-scale campaign events during the pandemic, and denied that the crowded rallies he has held recently to make himself feel loved have threatened public health. “So far we have had no problem whatsoever,” the president claimed, relying on voters to have forgotten, or never heard, that his supporter Herman Cain tested positive for Covid-19 nine days after sitting unmasked at Trump’s indoor rally in Tulsa in June, and died weeks later.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 2 2020 13:00 utc | 23

The great mask wearing hoax FOX keeps playing a loop of Trump and Hicks talking to him wearing a mask. They miraculously found some footage. CNN clearly showed that on Wed/Thrs time frame that both Hicks and Trump were not wearing masks while walking together in between the helicopter and air force 1. BTW Presiden Xi wore a mask way back in February and did not make a big deal about it.

How did wearing a mask become a sign of shutting down the economy and surrendering to big brother? MAGA-MAGA.

For the sake of the country, I hope he develops some symptoms. Otherwise Laura Ingraham and Brian Kilemead will squawk - SEE - COVID IS NOT A BIG DEAL END ALL RESTRICTIONS END THE MASK WEARING HOAX. I will say that Dr. Oz, despite some eccentric ideas, at least has the courage not to tote the party line on FOX. He said many heretical things to the FOX morning show. BTW I know that it is wrong to hope for something like that but I won't lie about my feelings. I'll committ one sin instead of two.

Posted by: Christian Chuba | Oct 2 2020 13:09 utc | 24

Richard Steven Hack (21 and 23), thank you for your analysis and questions, all much worth pondering.

Posted by: RJPJR | Oct 2 2020 13:09 utc | 25

@ Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 2 2020 12:54 utc | 21

If Trump dies or is in coma, Mike Pence takes his place. If Mike Pence dies, the Senate-and-Congress chooses the successor. There are no do-overs or substitutions in American Law: once the ticket is defined and the election is held, it is definite.

Posted by: vk | Oct 2 2020 13:15 utc | 26

The moral of the story to me is, even those who have (the means to either hide or constantly test) have it (the virus), what about those who haven't? The virus wins my friend.

Posted by: c | Oct 2 2020 13:22 utc | 27

Has Biden's double been informed?

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 2 2020 13:25 utc | 28

this election hasn't been held yet vick. the rnc could still choose somebody else to run if trump is not available.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 2 2020 13:28 utc | 29

Anyway if the worse happens and all deplorables die, shouldn't that make most of you here happy?
Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Oct 2 2020 12:49 utc |

You took cloro-whatever Grumpy? Ok, hydroxychloroquine. Was it?

Personally, I may have seen one grumpy old non-deplorable defender of the 'deplorables', as defined by him.

Posted by: xy | Oct 2 2020 13:31 utc | 30


"If Mike Pence dies, the Senate-and-Congress chooses the successor."

That is incorrect.

After Pence in the speaker of the house, pelosi, then the president of the senate, grassley, then a long list of cabinet secretaries.

Posted by: visak | Oct 2 2020 13:46 utc | 31

Posted by: Simplicius | Oct 2 2020 12:46 utc | 18

I was thinking this means Modi has to get a case too. All the big Corona long-range mouth-fighters for a clean sweep. After that: Lukashenko, Macron and Erdogan. Then it rages through the European Parliament. Anybody else? Moreno in Ecuador, and that clown in Chile. I can see this could go on for a while.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 2 2020 13:48 utc | 32

"May this whole development be a lesson to him."

Very preachy, for someone who does seem to put some reasoned, logical & practical thought into their work.

None of us are anymore immune to contracting this, than any flu virus. Probability math will show that the greater your contacst with others, the higher the likelihood of infection. Trump made his choices for well thought out reasons - hiding in a basement will not lead to re-election.

Humans, as a species, are so arrogant (and Mr. Trump is a fine example, but so is Mr. Biden). We feel we can control everything and that everything is ours to control and power over all others is "everything".

As a species, within the very long history of species, we are our own worst enemy.

Keep up the good analysis, but leave the evangelism to the professional snake oil sales people.

Posted by: James Cook | Oct 2 2020 13:52 utc | 33

Stephen Miller, Jared Kushner and Eric Trump all came into contact with Hicks and Trump. The first two passed their hands on the handrail of the steps to AF1, right after Hicks, and just hours before Hicks started feeling sick.

If those 3 goons got infected, then this karma is off the charts stunning!


U.S. President Donald Trump and his wife tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Both do not (yet) show symptoms.

My @ss! Roll the tape. Trump was already showing symptoms at the debate and rally the next day.

Although not scathing as it should be, this is probably the 1st article in years when you're finally critical of Trump policy using his name and not the Trump administration. Let me be brutally honest, removing him from his abject policies, which I will not list now, but you know them very well, you have done a grave disservice not only to the truth but to your own credibility. Finally, finally you cannot remove Trump from the abysmal equation.

Too bad Hicks and Trump weren't infected when Netanyahoo, and Zionist Arabs were gloating about their treachery.

I do not wish anyone, not even Trump, to get Covid-19. May this whole development be a lesson to him.

Oh, it's a lesson alright! And not just for Trump. It's a lesson on morality and the truth! It's a lesson on integrity beyond selfish, hidden agendas.

I do not wish anyone, not even Trump, to get Covid-19.

WHY NOT!? It's obvious God and the Universe disagree with you in that. Do you know how much damage Trump has done? The inhumanity of his policies towards Yemen, Palestine and Iran and towards the latter while suffering a major Covid outbreak demand karma.

210,000 Americans that he failed to honor died separated from their loved ones and many could have been saved if he weren't downplaying it when he knew the truth; if his political interest hadn't been more important to him than their lives.
This is cause for Impeachment. He should be excoriated for this; this is a crime!

So let me be truthful: I'm ecstatic and the next major headline I want to see is this one:

**********👉YOU'RE FIRED!**********

I'm so confident; I'm putting the 🍾 on ice already.

p.s. Oh and hats off to a man of real courage, wisdom and honor, Sully Sullenberger. That ad is priceless and amazingly timely. Thank you!

Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 14:04 utc | 34

Let me dig in and twist the knife:


2020 may have just redeemed itself.

Thank you Jesus!

Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 14:16 utc | 36

We were warned about election tampering, but nothing like this. I bet they sell more masks now.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 2 2020 14:16 utc | 37


"All the lockdowns did was kill the economy and give the false impression of killing the virus."

Brilliant insight. You should share it with the Chinese.

Posted by: David | Oct 2 2020 14:19 utc | 38

The evangelical Christian along with their snake oil salesman Mr Trump will destroy the world , they certainly destroyed the USA with the hight infection and death rate in the world in nation know for richness and high work ethic but obviously crummy lousy leader Mr Trump all he care about is his re-election for second term .
As you may all noticed the evangelical Christian all they care about self serving contrary to the Christian believe .
Do not trust these people , they are nemesis to the human race .
The law of physics and biology does not differentiate between any one no matter who you are , that is remind me of the Kennedy stupid kid who took off on a small plan without prior good training , thinking he is a rich man and the physic will not get him.
Good luck to you Trump , I do not think you will ever learn anything good in your life time .

Posted by: Bobb | Oct 2 2020 14:22 utc | 39

Can't make this up. Surely he'll inject some bleach.

Posted by: Stephen Morrell | Oct 2 2020 14:28 utc | 40

Let’s be clear I have been against ‘herd immunity’ (disgusting term) all along but it’s the exception that proves the rule. With out Trump this world will be a far far better place !
Their slipping though, they could of called it Novchok and sent a few more Russian diplomats back home.
George Floyed cryed
Let me know when Trump dose.
Karmas a bitch. Do good in our live and good comes to you.
Always Antifa.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 2 2020 14:33 utc | 41

All the libs fretting over the autocrat Trump who won’t honor the election now giddy over the prospects of an illness deciding the election. Trump is a buffoon but anyone ecstatic over the election of Biden needs their head examined.

Posted by: Marc b. | Oct 2 2020 14:34 utc | 42

and now the nrc chairwoman has come down with it.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 2 2020 14:40 utc | 43

What We Know About Vitamin D and Covid-19

tl;dr: No one knows for sure whether it helps or not. But since it's cheap, available, and *might* help, why not take it? I take 7,000iu in one dose, plus I get some more from my Calcium-Magnesium-Zinc combo pills I take to deal with restless leg syndrome. Then I add another 30mg of zinc from another zinc pill. Plus I take around 1.5 grams of Vitamin C, a ton of B-complex, 20,000 units of A, and Omega-3 Fish Oil pills for cholesterol. Plus Quercetin and Carnosine, the latter for its reputed benefits in treating diabetes (in rats, anyway). Add in 10mg of Melatonin for sleep which is also suggested to be useful for the virus.

The FLCCC people also recommend thiamine, vitamin B-1, which I take 200mg of which is approximately 16,000% of the MDR, which is what they recommend (but theirs is infusion.)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 2 2020 14:45 utc | 44
“The President does have mild symptoms..he’s in good spirits and is very energetic.“ Says WH Chief of Staff Mark Meadows

Posted by: b | Oct 2 2020 14:47 utc | 45

Couldn't happen to a nicer group of guys... LOL

The Virus Skeptics of the GOP (Who Got Covid-19 Anyway)
Missouri Governor Mike Parson is the latest high profile doubter to get the disease

Now their dumb-ass President is in their company.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 2 2020 14:51 utc | 46

Posted by: c | Oct 2 2020 13:22 utc | 27

"The moral of the story to me is, even those who have (the means to either hide or constantly test) have it (the virus), what about those who haven't? The virus wins my friend."

Preventive measures informed by the science are the best we can do "who haven't."

Everybody here at the bar is sick of hearing about covid. However, even if one reads not one more thing about it (you'd have to live in a cave somewhere) please take note of the current science regarding the necessity of vitamin D to the optimum functioning of the immune system, and thus the ability to prevent severe disease under most circumstances.

The T-cells of the immune system, when they sense a foreign invader, reach out for vitamin D to mature and function properly. If there is not adequate vitamin D in one's system they cannot do their job of eliminating the foreign invader.

Levels of vitamin D needed for strong bones are much less than levels of vitamin D needed for an optimum functioning immune system. Most recommendations are based on bone need not immune system need and are out of date science. Obesity makes vitamin D less accessible to the system because it is stored in fat where not easily accessable.

For a summary of the latest science on this see "Vitamin D and science" video posted yesterday October 1st at Dr. John D. Campbell U.K. educational utube channel.

Karma is cause and result, very complex but reality based. Most westerners misuse this concept.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 2 2020 14:55 utc | 47

Another Wave, the Same Mistakes
We are in the process of repeating the errors we’ve made over and over

I say this to at least five people a week: “No, you can’t isolate older people.” Or people with a disability. Or people immunocompromised. It is a fantasy of people who prefer not to sacrifice.

So as the end of the first wave hits in the Midwest and in smaller counties around the country, a second wave is showing signs of starting in the Northeast. Over 1,000 new cases in New York today for the first time in months.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 2 2020 14:56 utc | 48

The link RSH posts to on Vitamin D is a ridiculous hit job. 100% pure FUD. Try this randomized controlled double blind study.

Sorry, no html from me.
I believe the first time I posted here about D would have been March or April. It slowly gains traction. Sure sign that people become aware is the hit jobs.
Back in March there was total hysteria over the supposed R-naught of 2.5 or 5.7 or whatever was pulled out of the hat. As time passes it becomes very clear that covid R-naught is in range of 1.2 or 1.4. All that is required is to cut back transmission 20 or 30%. And that transmission needs to be cut back mainly amongst the seniors who are getting this. Any look at vitamin D deficiency says seniors almost all are deficient. So what is needed is something that ought to be done anyway. Just no reason at all not to start giving out D. Except if you bloody well want a pandemic.

Even RSH who posts the hit job admits he takes it himself.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 2 2020 15:04 utc | 49

Citizen Cain (pun intended) revenge from the grave? Rosebud!

Libertarian mob: if Trump dies would it be with Covid!
China haters: If Trump dies it would be of Covid!

Anxiety of TDS sufferers is through the roof: what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 2 2020 15:10 utc | 50

Re: Jen | Oct 2 2020 11:42 utc | 7

As for the Curse of Tippecanoe, we had an imposter Dubya, that is, no actual President, saving both George Walker Bush's and Albert Arnold Gore Jr.'s lives. Likewise, Sanders is the legitimate President, for Killary stole from him and in turn Orange Jesus stole from Killary. Just look at how many who would have voted for Bernie and either voted for Tronald or not at all and Edison Research's "unadjusted" (unmanipulated) exit polling results. Regardless of whether Trumpty Dumpty survives or not, it probably does not really apply.

Posted by: William Haught | Oct 2 2020 15:13 utc | 51

If Trump, Pence, Biden, or Harris dies before the Electoral College meets and casts their votes, before 3 November 2020 or not, evil party machinery chooses the successor.

Posted by: William Haught | Oct 2 2020 15:20 utc | 52

"I do not wish anyone, not even Trump, to get Covid-19."

What about a war criminal like Crime Minister Nutty Yahoo???

Posted by: William Haught | Oct 2 2020 15:27 utc | 53

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 2 2020 14:45 utc | 44

I hope it is irony, otherwise sounds like a decomposing liver. Lemon juice the first ingestion in the morning, cup of coffee, olive oil, no meat, a freshly caught not too big Melva, about a pound and a half for two, which is a tuna fish species with more oil in it than the regular one, fresh orange juice, figs, dates, almonds, chick peas, beans, eggs from a farm that raises the hens in freedom and no gm corn fed, Mediterranean diet, and never, ever take a pill, the head has to be close to exploding to take an aspirin, the strongest drug that I took maybe six months ago. Drinks as our poet Machado said: where there is wine have a sip, if there’s no wine fresh water…. that’s the way to go.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 2 2020 15:28 utc | 54

Thank you b. This is sobering, but perhaps people will now pay more attention to what we know and don't know about this virus. The charts b posted are helpful, though they conflict in certain areas. I am puzzled that the first one shows infectability for the 'virus shedding' period before symptoms (which comports with other studies) but then again for the final period when there are no symptoms but still positive for the virus. That latter period doesn't make sense unless the virus is still being shed, and if so, is infection at that stage going to result in a milder case? One might think it would, if following the presumption that more is worse.

If what Trump said about his amount of the virus is high is true, what might that portend for him?

I'd suggest, if this turns out to be serious, that a postponement of the election may well be indicated. And given all the variables that have already been occurring, why not go back to the tried and true of ballots completed by hand, counted by hand, double and triple checked for accuracy, carefully saved in case a recount is needed -- as they do in all civilized countries of the world. We, after all, have nothing if we have not time to do this. And let's leave the candidacy wide open - write ins only! With everyone qualified to vote who is a citizen, period. We do fine spacing ourselves out at the grocery store; we can do that at our polling places. And there's no reason not to have an election week instead of an election day, with polling places in open tents, to facilitate adequate air circulation. (We do have global warming, after all)

Posted by: juliania | Oct 2 2020 15:41 utc | 55

Surely Trump can't have caught it from Hope Hicks as he tested positive just a day after her.

From the above charts, Trump needs to have caught it at least a week before testing positive, and she was only infectious 2 days before symptoms - ie weds-2 which is Monday. Trump tested positive on Thursday.

Perhaps they both caught it from a mutual acquaintance instead?

Posted by: Scientist | Oct 2 2020 15:43 utc | 56

What does the bar think about his possible scenario:

  1. Biden is infected by Trump at the Debate.
  2. Biden dies.
  3. Democratic Party selects Hillary as their new candidate.
  4. Hillary wins the Presidency due to outrage at Trump's callous and inept approach to the virus that directly resulted in the death of Biden and >200k Americans.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 2 2020 15:45 utc | 57

Scientist @Oct2 15:43 #56

Surely Trump can't have caught it from Hope Hicks ...


And who gave it to Hicks?

Among other things, USA has failed at contact tracing.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 2 2020 15:51 utc | 58

Circe, the CCP Kool-Aid Drinker, you missed Biden's boast at CFR 2019 that it was HE, ('Fighting Joe', football quarterback who told his draft board "I can't breathe!", to get his 4-F deferment and spend his adult life inside the Beltway greasing his palms) it was HE, Joe Biden, lifelong self-aggrandizer on the public dole, who had 'run' Obama's five illegal war crimes in Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Niger ...(after creating AfriCom), wars that slaughtered millions of innocents, making Joe Biden a self-confessed war criminal?!

"He came, he saw, they died like flies!" God, I love Joe Biden.

Posted by: Lawrence Sommers | Oct 2 2020 15:55 utc | 59

They probably got it at about the same time, it doesn't have to be human to human.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 2 2020 15:55 utc | 60

Above all, the country needs stability and it needs consensus. It's time for government to start doing what most of the people want.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 2 2020 15:55 utc | 61

"U.S. President Donald Trump and his wife tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus."

Trump has been tested negative all the previous days (let's assume that).
And now, Trump gets tested positive and his wife too at the same time.
Doesn’t it rule out the possibility that Trump has infected his wife?
Is it maybe a worth-while thought?

Posted by: TSRTS20 | Oct 2 2020 16:01 utc | 62

@ Jen | Oct 2 2020 11:42 utc | 7... i wouldn't put too much faith in that... it gets dragged out every 20 years... it has been discussed many times over the years too... thanks for sharing... i used to be friends with marjorie until she banned me many years ago for challenging her comments on a number of topics, much before trump ever made it on the scene... she is an ain't russia and etc. etc. ideologue that also practices astrology... i am sure her and those who post on her site are hoping that trump kicks the bucket.. so out with the tecumseh curse here now...

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2020 16:11 utc | 63

ain't - anti..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2020 16:11 utc | 64

@ juliania # 61
It's time for government to start doing what most of the people want.

That would be a radical change, for the congressional "representatives" to actually represent citizens. It's never been done, and there is no mechanism for actually doing it. In fact the "representatives" spend most of their time in office fund-raising for the next election campaign less than two years off. Most of this money comes from lawyers representing clients, corporate pacts etc. which guides "representative" performance.

So it's been established IMO that this form of "democracy" simply doesn't work, despite the extolling by those who benefit from it, and that doesn't include citizens. But the official blather will go on, especially the part about how US "democracy" is better than China autocracy, despite evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2020 16:16 utc | 65

When Trump recovers, may add some momentum to the "everybody back to work" view.

Posted by: jared | Oct 2 2020 16:26 utc | 66

it's an interesting development that probably could be foreseen, although the timing here at this junction is also quite interesting... on the full moon as well.. lets see where this goes as it is probably too soon to tell..

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2020 16:27 utc | 67

If Trump has his mouth open, odds are he is lying.
So, I'm a bit skeptical.
But being fat and elderly, and obviously unhealthy, he might fit in to that 20% group who have issues.
It seems to effect cognitive ability-- not an issue with Trump.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Oct 2 2020 16:28 utc | 68

As with every POTUS beginning with Truman, Trump's a criminal of the worst sort, although not as bad as Obama despite his treason it must be admitted, but that's little solace for their victims. One can only hope Pompeo caught it too. Is it wrong to be thankful that immoral, criminal people operating above the law get stricken with this virus and thus have their lives jeopardized? Given Trump's treason in his criminal handling of the pandemic, is it a nod to Karma that he or an associate becomes another statistic? He didn't give a damn about the 213,000 citizens that have died so far, so why should we?

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 2 2020 16:41 utc | 69

@45 b

I've got an old rope bridge that holds up better than that statement. Unless he secretly got an anti-body transfusion prior, I'm not buying.

Right now Covid is silently multiplying, invading and doing it's thing along with the KFC by-product in his system. Serious symptoms can take from 2 to 14 days to develop. There is retrograde stress intensity gathering for the week of the 19th in his health sector. Retrograde aspects are the worst time to be sick. So it's too soon to tell what he's facing.


@2 Circe: you should hope not, because if there is, you know where people who take joy from others' misfortune and suffering will end up.

Posted by: Zweckpessimist | Oct 2 2020 12:44 utc | 16

Awwwwh--Bite me!

This is a stellar day and a cautionary tale smack dab in the face of Trump bootlickers, and the likes of you ain't gonna spoil it.

The one who got struck with lightening is your dumb-assed Trump who gassed protesters demanding justice for George Floyd; murdered by police suffocation, only so he, loser Trump, could hypocritically parade to the front of the church with a borrowed upside-down bible. So eat that!

Here's some salt to rub in Trump's wound: Joe Biden just tested negative for the virus. HAAAA!

😆 This day just keeps getting better and better....!

And don't you dare shoot the messenger, you bitter bootlickers. 🤫🤫🤫

Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 16:42 utc | 70

Trump support from an odd quarter--
..... from China's Global Times:

US President Donald Trump’s positive test result for ”the SARS-CoV-2 virus” will possibly favor him if he recovers before the election, as it makes him the sole focus of the US political circle as the election date looms only one month away. In addition, it will help him silence the voices of others, Chinese observers predicted, noting the infection may help Trump better control the “narrative.”

Diao said that, in this way, voices from Joe Biden, Trump’s Democratic rival, will be silenced, exerting a heavy blow on the Democratic Party. What’s more, the situation will favor Trump if he recovers before the election, as some swing voters will likely show sympathy toward him.

Ni Feng, director of the Institute of American Studies of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, also said that a quick recovery from the virus could serve as solid prove that septuagenarian Trump is still in good health and capable of leading the country for another four years.. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2020 16:49 utc | 71

Posted by: james | Oct 2 2020 16:27 utc | 67

it's an interesting development that probably could be foreseen, although the timing here at this junction is also quite interesting... on the full moon as well..

Full and orange too. It was quite a sight on Wednesday evening. The most beautiful Moon...

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 2 2020 16:56 utc | 72

I don't get it. for 200 years of history with access to virology, a 0.1% IFR would not demand that those affected shut their close contacts away from society!

Why the paradigm shift?

I get it, if this were Ebola, I'd be with this point of view, but why for a basic flu?!

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Oct 2 2020 17:00 utc | 73

might be the point after his boorish behavior that alienated many of the empathic types he needs to win.
I find I'm rarely cynical enough .

Posted by: winston2 | Oct 2 2020 17:01 utc | 74

49 old hippie - For your edification, from a fellow Dead Head, here's what covid-19 looks like, from an advanced senior survivor:

You are taking your daily walking loop in the evening through the near-shore hills to the beach at sunset, there is an onshore breeze and you take a deep breath. You notice a stench like 100 of all the stenches in your life: dumpster leakage, pit toilet, damp gym clothes. Your nose feels itchy like a pre-cold, your throat is sore like pre-strep and your eyes ache in your sockets like pre-flu, as you climb the hill towards home. Damn, you think. The spring weather is so nice!

You eat a garden salad and rice, take a vitamin C, a long hot shower, carefully brush and gargle with hydrogen peroxide. It's going to be a day in bed tomorrow, you have the tell-tail headache dizzies.

At 4:30AM you wake in someone else's reality, semi-detached, on your hands and knees in a torn up bed, head on fire, body and bed soaked in sweat, lungs barking like an old dog. You can't seem to catch your breath. Sleep is now impossible.

But you were a warrior in your day, the survivor of 1,000 struggles, so you get up in the darkness and quiet, put on your morning track suit, make a strong cup of espresso and head out for a jog. The spring air is chill but refreshing, and though today you can't get up 'on step', you shuffle along until the fever breaks and you hit 'the runner's wall'. You're breathing easier now, coughing into your hand. It will be OK, you think.

The day passes like any flu day, eating fresh fruit, drinking herb tea, cotton-between-the-ears idly unable to focus while the washing machine and dryer spin your sweaty bed clothes and track suit clean again. Make the bed, can't think of anything that matters, you doze into the evening and wake in darkness. You've missed your sunset walk, and your arms and legs are heavy, but you manage to walk out to the garden and watch the first stars.

The first week goes by like that. No appetite, no focus, coughing and can't seem to catch your breath, but you're still running every morning and are sure it will be over soon. You start lifting your hand weights for something to pass the time. 100 reps. 500 reps, 1000.

A week later, it's 4:30AM you wake again on your hands and knees in a torn up bed, head on fire, body and bed soaked in sweat, lungs barking like an old cow bellowing in a far foggy field. Hawwung, hawwung, hawwung.

The stark reality hits you. Those stories on the news. You must have The Thing, man! The covid! But you've never had a doctor, never needed one. You have 'old strength', a survivor of 100 injuries and contagion you've used up your 7 lives and then some.

More coffee, more running, intently now. Must reach 'the runner's wall', then you can breath, then you can think. But your Nonin Onyx falling O2 levels and your ice-blue hands tell you that you're losing. When you take off your track shoes, your feet are brown-purple, like a dead junkie.

So you redouble your activity. Stay off the couch. Short naps. Eat standing at the stove, then back outside. Drink water from the hose, soak your head. Spend every warm sunny spring day digging the garden bare-chested in the sun, hacking the brambles back with a machete, watching the clouds while you rest, then off for another jog.

It seems to work. But then your urine turns orange red and your liver feels like you're punched in the gut and the bouts of constipation and diarrhea. You've spent the last weeks rebuilding your road bike, so now it's the Tour de France in your mind. As soon as you've had a morning smoothie and the fog burns off, you hit the trail. 10 miles. 20 miles. Soon you're riding marathons. Then super-marathons.

Your blood O2 is slowly rising and your resting heartbeat is below 90 now. There's that mountain lake you wanted to visit. You decide to run it. 14 mile cross-country steeplechase in a welcoming hot sun, sitting there by the lake, playing with the frogs and their rafts of bubble eggs, enjoying early spring flowers.

The run back downhill is thrilling and at some point without realizing it, you can smell again. Everything. All of it. The air, the woods, the fresh earth. You are a wolf running in the forest chasing the deer, running like you did when you were 28. How is this possible? Is it a dream?

You laugh that you beat covid after five weeks without pills, potions, elixirs, or Dr Fauci's Patented Miracle Cure Vaxx. And now you know, you KNOW, at last, what the word 'Freedom' really means.

Or you can lay there until the ambulance comes, secure in the now proven knowledge their ER-ICU chemical coma will either leave you dead or an invalid in hospice, and either way, medically-bankrupted and preternaturally old. Your choice!

Posted by: Lawrence Sommers | Oct 2 2020 17:05 utc | 75

That's what happens when you refuse a helping hand, Trumpo should have gone for Putin's Sputnik V, but that would have been unacceptable to the Russia did it rabble.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 2 2020 17:12 utc | 76

@ 71 Don Bacon

Allow me to eat your lunch...

You had to dig real deep and low to get one American-indoctrinated Chinese person to deliver that level of delusional claptrap.

Lemme school you on reality: Fate put Covid and a moral test in Trump's warped path to greatness, and Trump killed over half or more of 210,000 dead Americans because his lust for power was greater than his humanity, decency and common sense! The buck stops with him, and he chose to downplay the virus, ridicule mask wearing and dismiss the entire crisis as yesterday's fake news.

If that ain't a LOSER formula; I don't know what is. Put a fork in him.

Not-so-proud boys, stand by, cause Trump's virus ain't done.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 17:25 utc | 77

I don't know how to feel about this. Schadenfreude would be wrong -- even for the orange one.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 2 2020 17:25 utc | 78

What about the statements by the chemist who invented RT-PCR, awarded Chemistry Nobel Prize for that, on the grounds that PCR does not detect whether you are sick or no?

If that is true, what the hell are our governments doing?

Why are our health systems overwhelmed now with practicing PCR in the thousands daily ( with almost the same personel who previously attended the first wave of ill people and thus are exhausted... even after enjoying the usual ammount of summer vacation as other years with no pandemic ...)which in a week or so will be added the overload of flu vaccination campaign ( with the same personel as no pandemic years...?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Oct 2 2020 17:35 utc | 79

If the EU has authorized, and porvided funds for, hiring health personel even from out of the EU, why are some organizations in Spain not covering sick leaves and providing any extra personel on the grounds that "there are no people to hire"?

If I am not wrong, there are always medical personel available for hiring in at least one location, i.e. in Cuba....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Oct 2 2020 17:40 utc | 80

Lawrence Sommers @75--

From your tale, your condition is the antithesis of Trump's or any other average person your age, which is clearly the ace you had up your sleeve. Your hemoglobin didn't get attacked to the point where it lost most of its ability to transport oxygen to your extremities, which is to say your immune system was more than up to the task. 212,000+ US citizens weren't as fortunate as you, although some were just as strong and much younger. But by all means, a toast to your good fortune and wishes it continues!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 2 2020 17:40 utc | 81

All the karmic rhetoric aside, the next few days should be telling as Trump's 'mild symptoms' develop or stabilize. His age/weight/diet is probably a factor and one would imagine that politically a 'bad case' of Covid doesn't help the reelection campaign, already in deep trouble. The ultimate October Surprise is Trump's full recovery with a hearty shout-out to the HCQ cocktail (karma in the other direction).

2020 has been a 'biblical' year, with the climax yet to come. One shudders at the possibilities.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 2 2020 17:41 utc | 82

@55 juliana

I'd suggest, if this turns out to be serious, that a postponement of the election may well be indicated.

You do TOOL to perfection. Fact: Putin backed a loser. Quit clinging and get over it.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 17:48 utc | 83

b, a grand exposé of time-lines, etc. of Covid infections, thanks, v. useful.

Yet, precise predictions for one / 100, or even 10K, or more, ppl aren’t possible from such info, there are too many other variables, and too little understanding of any of them.

It is just a like a betting game (horse race, footsie match), we will have to see. All is up in the air.

In a way it is surprising DT didn’t catch CV19 before, because of so much interaction in big groups, no-mask, etc. though I suppose he was partly protected by sanitary/etc. strictures, testing around him, preventative measures, etc.

BoJo was very ill and doesn’t seem to be in top form now, he is very diminished, imho. Bolsonaro seems more confident. (?)

Al-Jazzera has a list of politicians and other *famous* ppl, reportedly infected.

Ex. Dimitri Peskov, Prince Charles, Rand Paul, Monaco Prince Albert, and Michel Barnier (EU Brexit Chief.)

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 2 2020 17:51 utc | 84

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 2 2020 17:25 utc | 78

I don't know how to feel about this. Schadenfreude would be wrong -- even for the orange one.

What about feeling curious? He was a big advocate of certain types of treatment for covid and he appeared quite confident about it.
Will he walk the walk now?

Posted by: hopehely | Oct 2 2020 17:55 utc | 85

Ho hum, As if Trump or anyone in DC actually runs anything that actually matters.

Reading the comments here only shows how widely spread the mass delusion truly is.

Elections don't matter in the US and haven't for a very long time. Too bad everyone is so emotionally tied to the red team blue team fake paradigm.

So funny how a totally unscientific and inaccurate test can trigger both sides into the desired effect of another two minutes of hate.

Stay safe and please wake the fuck up !

Posted by: dave | Oct 2 2020 18:02 utc | 86

@ Ilya G Poimandres | Oct 2 2020 17:00 utc | 73

Ilya, you seem a reasonable person.
Friendly tip: You don't want to go <>.

These are progressive/nwo/globalist waters - rational, non-conformal thought is not welcomed.

Just repeat: U.S. Bad, China Good.

Posted by: jared | Oct 2 2020 18:02 utc | 87

Contact tracing back to last Saturday's 5:00pm Rose Garden Ceremony announcement/reception of Amy Coney Barret as Trump's SCotUS pick ,

attended by 200 guests, most not wearing masks but presumably tested by rapid test right beforehand, including Notre Dame President Fr. John I Jenkins, and Sen Mike Lee (UT) plus all those testing nCoV+ in last day or so, may have been the common superspreader event.

Notre Dame's Jenkins and Sen. Mike Lee have also just tested positive.

Posted by: gm | Oct 2 2020 18:03 utc | 88

Trump caught himself a dose of the “Democrat hoax“.

Posted by: nwwoods | Oct 2 2020 18:03 utc | 89

So, how long will it take the tall foreheads in the MSM and "sources familiar with the matter" to proclaim that it's all the work of Bad Vlad Putin?

Posted by: piggly | Oct 2 2020 18:11 utc | 90

jackrabbit :: If biden dies kamala kameleon will be the next prez ..

Posted by: doc | Oct 2 2020 18:19 utc | 91

Lawrence Sommers @ 75

Sounds like me and the wife in January and February. I had the suspicion because I was reading here. Telling anyone about it, or the wife telling her doctor about it, the usual reaction was you are so sick you are hallucinating. In January COVID was not a thing. So I quit talking about, got bed rest and recovered. Age 68. Wife 70..

The common reaction now, if we tell the story, is you did not have covid. You did not have the killer disease because you are still alive. Did you get tested? Um, tests did not exist. Then that proves you did not have it. And everyone knows that their personal knowledge, or lack of it, is utterly superior to anyone else’s personal knowledge.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 2 2020 18:25 utc | 92

U.S. Bad, China Good.

Said it, call the popos

Posted by: wj2 | Oct 2 2020 18:29 utc | 93

Don Bacon @71--

Too early IMO to ascertain the political fallout, although COVID-19 can no longer be claimed to be a hoax. It's quite possible a very large group close to Trump will test positive, and all will get the best medical care available, although that might not be enough as we've seen. The Chinese IMO were being rather pragmatic in their analysis, although the secondary headline wasn't at all flattering:

"[Trump's] sudden infection further proves this election year is the 'most absurd in US history.'"

And the concluding paragraphs constitute negative baggage if recalled by most US citizens:

"Trump’s positive test result quickly renewed many Chinese netizen’s memories of Trump’s 'laissez-faire' attitude toward virus control and mask wearing, which have been proven by the WHO as effective methods to reduce the spread. He even mocked Biden for wearing a mask during the first presidential debate on September 30.

"His constant claims that he 'knows better than anyone' about the virus has also won him the nickname 'Dongwang' ̶ the King of I-know-it-all ̶ in China. The topic of Trump and his wife’s positive test results had attracted more than 230 million views on Sina Weibo, China’s Twitter-like platform, within one hour."

IMO, the only positive claim Biden has is that he's not Trump, which certainly isn't much to brag about. But there's other fallout. Not one House GOP member voted in favor of the newest attempt to enact a stimulus package. And "Just Three Days After Meeting With Amy Coney Barrett Without Mask, GOP Senator Mike Lee Also Tests Positive for Covid-19;" so, I expect a much bigger breakout than what's been announced so far. If Barrett tests positive, any confirmation hearings will be pushed back. Trump might become incapacitated leaving Pence in charge. At minimum, Trump will need to suspend campaign appearances.

One thing's certain: The pundits will be very busy this weekend.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 2 2020 18:30 utc | 94

It's a big ole kayfabe, folks.

Donald Trump becomes the "Victim", absolving himself of the sins of mishandling the virus.

While ostensibly his campaign has been suspended, Donald Trump is cashing in massive amounts of sympathy, whipped up by a corporate media uniformly focussed on his well-being (instead of his actions and statements affecting others).

The ad interim single contender Joe Biden is given free range to make gaffes and to prominently display his declining cognitive faculties. Direct attacks on Donald Trump are off-side while Trump is "down".

Donald Trump has a carefully measured amount of symptoms, allowing him to credibly appear afflicted while enabling him to come out on the other end, claiming it's "only a flu" - justifying his once criticized policies.

Donald Trump takes all the spotlights. Nobody remembers who Joe Biden is (does Joe even?)

Tadaa!! Massive win for Donald Trump.

The little detail that Donald and Melania both got infected at the same time is the giveaway that it is all a scripted fake and a setup.

Posted by: Lurk | Oct 2 2020 18:36 utc | 95

There is no need for Trump to take Hydroxychloroquinine, although it is perfectly safe and effective, as Ivermectin is a better cheap alternative. Like HDQC it must be taken with Zinc and an antibiotic and is effective treatment if given before the virus has wreaked too much havoc in the patients body.
Of course lying Dr Fauci wont mention this because it wont bring big profits to his drug companies.

Posted by: Ike | Oct 2 2020 18:48 utc | 96

@44 Richard Hack. Yes Vitamin D has been proven to work. An Israeli study showed this clearly by comparing Arab women to other sectors of society. They cover themselves completely when outside and therefore have extremely low levels of naturally sun generated vitamin D. They also suffer higher levels of covid19 infection as a result.
Chris Martenson has done sterling work analyzing and reporting on this disease. His videos are available on youtube.
ere is his latest.

Posted by: Ike | Oct 2 2020 19:06 utc | 97

Praying Azrael will open wide the gates and welcome Trump to his eternal reward of suffering, agony and just desserts. After all the suffering that cruel and unfeeling man has unleashed on this world, it would be justice.

Posted by: DougDiggler | Oct 2 2020 19:10 utc | 98

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@ Circe (70)

Re: "Trump who gassed protesters demanding justice for George Floyd; murdered by police suffocation"

I presume by that statement that you have no respect for the principle that a person should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. As far as I am aware the trial has not yet taken place. Personally I am always a little suspicious when conclusions are drawn and announced by the media as if they were unarguable facts before all the evidence has been revealed. i am also aware that I will be denounced as some sort of heretic for saying that much. As the saying goes I 'may as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb'. For anyone who hasn't seen the footage of the events leading up to the iconic scene, you can see it here.

For anyone who is prepared to risk the heresy of doubting the sacred testament and actually watch the video, the following becomes clear:-

George Floyd lied to the police repeatedly, he claimed he had just lost his mother, he hadn't. He refused to sit in the police car claiming to be claustrophobic, yet when the police arrived he was happily sitting in his own car, with the windows shut.
He was also clearly in an abnormal mental state, either intoxicated or mentally disturbed or both. It is astonishing that someone so obviously paranoid about the police would refuse the chance he was given to make good the transaction made with a counterfeit note, thus involving the police in the first place.
He also clearly claimed that he couldn't breath before he was on the ground.
He asked to lay on the ground.
Additionally the toxicologists report suggests that he had a level of fentanyl in his blood which would normally be regarded as a fatal dose, one of the effects of which is difficulty breathing.

That video was deliberately withheld on the grounds that it might prejudice the trial, a ludicrous decision given that the trial was already irredeemably compromised. I expect all manner of indignant strawman attacks, accusations and insults to be aimed at me, for that is the fate of heretics generally. I haven't the time or the inclination to carefully list all the things that I am NOT saying, that would take forever. What I am saying is that a trial has not yet happened and I am tired of hearing the event casually described as if it was a clear cut deliberate public execution.

Perhaps people might like to view the following video for comparison and ask themselves who they would prefer as an arresting officer.

Despite committing no crime and doing his best to cooperate totally with the police, Daniel Shaver was gratuitously executed. Few people have even heard of him, he was not buried in a golden casket with local dignitaries weeping and nobody burned down the neighbourhood. The officer involved was exonerated and returned to duty until he was retired with a pension due to the trauma that the incident had caused him.

Posted by: MarkU | Oct 2 2020 19:14 utc | 99


Basic principles of Christianity like Crusades, inquisitions, and religious wars and persecutions?

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Oct 2 2020 19:20 utc | 100

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