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October 25, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-85

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Michael Tracey @mtracey- 18:34 UTC · Oct 24, 2020

Tried to get into Biden’s “drive-in” event with Bon Jovi this afternoon in Dallas, PA and was told attendance is limited to “party officials and donors.” Registration is not open to the general public. Kinda weird how these campaign rallies have effectively become private affairs

Mark Sedwill said the UK had sought to exploit Moscow’s “vulnerabilities”, including through the deployment of its recently declared offensive cyber-capability.

He said the aim of such actions had been to “impose a price greater than one they might have expected” in response to aggressive Russian behaviour.

Other issues:

Class wars:

Proxy wars:

That proxy wars are essentially anti-democratic goes some way to explaining the adoption of a proxy doctrine, traditionally the preserve of the intelligence services, by the conventional US military. Proxy warfare is officially condemned in Washington and London as a device of undemocratic enemies, but it is precisely for its anti-democratic possibilities that the West embraces it.


Should Trump be blamed for Covid-19 deaths. Sure, he did not help. But the states are responsible and they differ very much in their approaches. Vermont and Maine are doing okay. The two Dakotas and many others seem to have different priorities. What would a different administration have done? To what effect?

Virus pictures:


Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on October 25, 2020 at 13:31 UTC | Permalink

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I watched the interview of George McGovern by Aaron Matte. McGovern announces that he is holding his nose and voting for Biden. He needs to hold more than his nose. A hazmat suit is what is needed. George goes on and says that if Biden wins, the national security state will be running on steroids. Not just the security agencies, all those who have been involved with promoting Russiagate will come out smelling like roses looking for revenge on those who doubted their lies. Aaron Matte and McGovern seem to think that the cabinet of Biden will be better than Trumps. Here is what James George Jatras has to say about Biden's possible picks for cabinet.

"Among the names floated like Nicholas Burns, Antony Blinken, Michele Flournoy, Evelyn Farkas, and Anne-Marie Slaughter, all were on board with Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria … [NOTE: The Atlantic Council, known as NATO’s semi-official think tank in Washington and which will be instrumental in staffing a future Joe Biden administration, also has been the beneficiary of generous donations from Hunter Biden’s paymaster, Burisma.]" A poisoned chalice it seems.

The third link is a video by former Richard Black, former state senator discussing a potential Military coup. Colour revolutions coming home. November 3rd is just the beginning.

Posted by: Tom | Oct 26 2020 6:39 utc | 101

Jackrabbit | Oct 25 2020 17:21 utc | 28

An adequate response would've been to: immediately declare a Nation Emergency to have the power necessary to adequately protect the country...

example: Chinese quarantined anyone suspected of having the virus recovery centers

The Chinese government strongly suspected this was a bio-attack. So first they were going to lock down against further attacks within their country. That's a primary goal if you suspect such foreign agents launching such attacks within. That's the war measure which every lockdownist everywhere applauds and yearns to see in their own countries.

So I want to know what kind of foreign bio-threats and bio-attacks, what kind of terrorist action the cultists really fear or, as in the case of the elites and their media, are pretending to fear, that they want permanently to entomb themselves and forcibly entomb all future generations under conditions of wartime lockdowns.

As for the elites and their media perpetrating the terror-lockdown assault, these are the same impresarios of the "war on terror" which never got the mass-submission response they tried to induce. Their mindset and motivation in propagating the "war on covid" is exactly the same - provoke panic and hysteria in order to attain predatory tyrannical economic and (anti-)social goals they never could attain under regular conditions.

Hitler and Goering thought they did pretty well exploiting the Reichstag fire to greatly accelerate the Gleichschaltung and imposition of the Emergency Measure on a permanent basis. But even they would be astonished at the results so far of this vastly greater distortion, the monstrous propaganda inflation of a bug whose effects were readily comparable to the regular flu into the most imminent and total existential danger humanity ever had faced, requiring the immediate cessation of all rational thought and democratic deliberation and debate and the imposition of the most open-ended state of emergency ever.

It has to be so open-ended precisely because the actual threat immediately becomes so hard to see the moment you actually try to look at it with clear eyes. That's how modern propaganda-driven tyranny always functions. Whatever war crisis the Chinese government really perceived or continues to perceive, there's no doubt at all about the deliberate fraudulence, cynicism and malevolence of Western governments in drumming up this same war fever in order to impose wartime lockdowns out of purely ulterior motives and toward tyrannical goals.

As for the mass death cult, they're the same as the picked audience in Berlin's Sportpalast in February 1943 who responded to Goebbels's shouted question, "Do you want total war?" with the rabid shriek, "Yes!" In that case the concept meant battening down the hatches during a real war crisis. Today it means inventing the crisis out of thin air in order to wage total war on themselves and their own countrymen.

hold public health officials accountable (why hasn't anyone been fired?)

But if the likes of Ferguson and Fauci had been fired many years ago, as they certainly would have been by any accountable system, then who would've served as the head "medical" horseman of your propaganda apocalypse?

Anyway as you no doubt know, no one's ever fired for gross incompetence and being wrong every time, as long as their total failure serves the greater global neoliberal goal. Ferguson and Fauci's careers have been based on failing upward, same as other propaganda operatives. The terror-lockdown assault using covid as a pretext is their greatest failure (going by reality measures) and therefore their greatest accomplishment, going by system propaganda measures.

set proper goals: virus eradication

Since that became impossible outside the fever dreams of Dominion-technocratic theology once the virus was widely at large in the global environment, as it has been for at least a year and possibly much longer, how is that a "proper goal" other than as a fraudulent propaganda theme which is propagated only by those with an ulterior motive?

The bug certainly is going to complete its natural cycle, and it's just plain laughable that you think your moronic and wicked institutions could do jack squat to prevent this. The Earth laughs at you.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 26 2020 6:50 utc | 102

oldhippie | Oct 25 2020 18:44 utc | 41

"It becomes more and more apparent covid is primarily a disease of fat people. Those fatsos are also vectors of infection. So lockdown the fat. Hard lockdown and you can get out if you lose fifty pounds. The rest of us resume life. Not entirely facetious here. Remember the notion of getting R-naught below 1? Locking down the fat would do it. So would passing out Vitamin D but that is not sufficiently punitive to suit American culture."

To the extent that any of the pro-lockdown covidiots really believe their hype, one would think they'd agree that a rational covid response would focus on the vulnerable and not the society as a whole. The fact that from day one the propaganda touted the exact 180 degree opposite is proof that the whole thing never had the slightest public health intent.

I suppose part of it is the virulence of "SJW" theology which declares it inadmissible to identify those who actually are vulnerable, because this might "shame" them, let alone to be so unjust as to subject only the vulnerable to any kind of restriction. No, if anyone must suffer then everyone has to suffer, not just the same but in inverse proportion to how rationally and scientifically defensible the imposition of this suffering is.

And there we see how the politically correct covid lockdown theology stems from the deeper undercurrents of self-loathing punitive puritanism so ingrained in the American and British psyche. (In the West and everywhere culturally Western-dominated, the UK's aptly named "Imperial College" was ground zero for the generation of lies and dispensation of propaganda regarding how allegedly bad the "pandemic" was going to be and how draconian the response needed to be.)

Posted by: Russ | Oct 26 2020 7:04 utc | 103

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 26 2020 6:01 utc | 98 That was last week. You are our of touch.

That was actually last July when it occurred. They just revealed it last week. The only reason I saw it was because it showed up in my Twitter timeline. Otherwise I'd probably never heard about it. I don't follow this election crap obsessively like so many others here do Because it's irrelevant in the long term. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 26 2020 7:05 utc | 104

EXTRA! EXTRA! Read all about it!
Dutchsinse apparently just today discovered a connection between earthquake events and proximate hi-tension powerlines. While doing an update on EQ s in US, noted nearby hi-V lines, then again, and again until he tracked the locations of about 20 of the latest EQs [within last 48 hours I think].

Estimated about 85-90% could easily spot the overhead lines within 1/8 mile or less [or so it seemed to me as I watched match USGS EQ coords with satellite pix of the area]
Of course he was excited at the "coincidences" as 1 by 1 he searched. Here's the link you follow his discovery. Been following for 3 years and seems he is legit. AFAIK he is 1st to realize the correlation.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 26 2020 7:06 utc | 105

Biden's laptop. Its all here:

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 26 2020 7:45 utc | 106

I saw a tweet by Max Abrahms where he states, "Presidential candidates field a million questions throughout the campaign but are never asked whom they’ll try to fill their cabinet positions with even though this answer especially in foreign policy would reveal more than 50 chats with Chris Wallace." Not sure how that would be carried out. I suspect that would take an amendment would it not American barflies?

Posted by: Tom | Oct 26 2020 7:53 utc | 107

Don Bacon @ 84

Not only hypersonic weapons (don't forget, all ICBM's, even the oldest ones from `60s are hypersonic on reentry), but asymmetric weapons Russia developed to negate all the advantages US tried to sneak in for self, thus tipping the balance scale in its favor and increasing like hood of going "oh, we have advantage, we better use it as long as we got it" and start WW3. For those thinking US would never do that, don't forget they are the only country ever that did it already.

Eg. US tried to tip the balance after `90s and Warsaw pact demise by building anti ballistic shield in eastern Europe, which would give them edge in sneak attack by short/intermediate range missiles. At the same time, those same "defensive" facilities, basically non monitored, can be used to sneak launch first strike weapons - low flight cruise missiles or short/medium range ballistic missiles simply don't give enough time for defender to do anything.

So what Russia did? Developed the weapons that can go around AB defenses (Avangard, Petrel, Poseidon) to advance its offensive power. To protect against sneak attack, it also developed weapons that can be hidden in vast territory of own state or the world, so US can't destroy what can't see. Not to mention dead-mans-switch ones like Poseidon (almost copy of dr. Strangelove's doomsday machine). Only 1 of 6 new weapons Putin introduced few years back are iteration of existing ones (Sarmat ICMB), all others are new concepts (ad least in practice, theoretically they have been discussed a long time).

So basically, old weapons race from cold war is obsolete concept. Russia is not seeking to mirror capabilities of US as it has different goals from US from the start (self preservation instead of world domination). And it aims for retribution weapons, because as Putin said along the lines "whats the good of the world if there is no Russia any more?".

Posted by: Abe | Oct 26 2020 8:40 utc | 108 Article says Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro says his country has designed “a highly effective antiviral” that decimates coronavirus without any side effects. The drug will be presented to the WHO for certification, he added.

Apparently its a ursolic acid derivative, which inhibits Corona Virus replication in vitro [outside of a living organism],” cited by EFE News Agency. on

prevention man prevention.. according to the article no insult or impact on anything (meaning no side effects) and 100% effective..

lets see if Maduro's nation state research can save the bio corrupted world.
can anyone find a peer reviewed article .. ? covering Ursolic acid metabolism in Corona Virus.. or in human cell biology?

Posted by: snake | Oct 26 2020 9:06 utc | 109

Barflies, Lozion's link leads to pictures that you do not want to see and have no relevance.

B, kindly consider removing it.

Lozion, the people here may be barflies, but they are not voyeurs and indulge their soft porn (if they do) somewhere else. Take your filth somewhere else.

Posted by: E | Oct 26 2020 9:07 utc | 110

Big campaigns in arab counties to boycott french products.Erdogan admonishes Macron to have himself examined for mental health issues.France recalls its embassadeur from Ankara.Pakistan prime minister Imran Khan criticizes France for deliberately continuing to insult all muslims.

The french mindset is totalitarian and has not been changed a bit since the generals of world war I that sent hundreds of thousands of french peasants and sons of working class to their death,as is remarkably portrayed by Stanley Kubrick in his longtime prohibited in France motion picture "The Paths of Glory".They think it is a virtue to simply never concede or make a compromise,regardless how much suffering it will produce.

Posted by: willie | Oct 26 2020 10:06 utc | 111

Interesting read by F William Engdahl on the soon to be head of the WHO

Most recently, under Okonjo-Iweala’s term as Chairman of GAVI, cases of paralytic polio resulted in African and Indian children who had been vaccinated by GAVI and Gates Foundation Oral Polio Vaccine programs. GAVI and Gates did so despite the fact they knew that the OPV had been dropped by the US CDC in 1992 from its vaccine schedule in the US because it was causing polio. Under the GAVI-Gates polio vaccination program polio cases have been registered in more than a dozen African countries including Angola, Congo, Nigeria and Zambia and Okono-Iweala’s Nigeria. But the shocking thing is that the outbreaks are all reportedly caused by the Gates-backed oral polio vaccine. GAVI and Gates engage in a colossally corrupt and even criminal enterprise in which the tax exempt Gates Foundation invests in vaccine companies like GSK and others that then sell their vaccines to huge new markets such as Africa and India. As stock prices in GSK rise as a result of rising sales of vaccines, Gates Foundation net worth rises too. “Charity” for profit is the model.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2020 10:21 utc | 112

Impossible not to notice the large widespread efforts towards directing people away from Hunter Biden and anything criminal or unethical involving him and/or Joe Biden.

Are they stalling? Making sure people notice?

Will the MSM "discover" the story after he is elected to boot him out? Was that the plan all along? I don't think Clinton is getting back and by far the easiest thing to do would be to follow the procedure and make Kamela "Black Gestapo" Harris POTUS; an empty brain in an empty suit with strong fascist tendencies, she could be their dream meatpuppet.

Anyway that's what it looks like now imo, is it all too obvious?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 26 2020 11:29 utc | 113

Down South it is true the polio vaccines cause polio, it is not new. Because of it the WHO and others replaced the original vaccine but then also found that the replacement can still cause polio or cause more polio than is naturally occurring.

It has been described and debated in public science literature such as Nature (or Science, or maybe both) and plenty of other places for medical science news that are more widely available.

It's a big topic since they're trying to make polio extinct and thus it receives a fair amount of attention.

If you search MOA for polio you'll easily find two (or maybe more) previous comments on this by me and at least one of those comments have some decent links.

The comments are from maybe about half a year ago and up to a year ago but the topic is older by several years.

If that Engdahl guy (whoever he is) only found out about it now then he's not someone to listen to on the topic: he's very late (even later than me!).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 26 2020 11:46 utc | 114

oldhippie #41

ON FIRE MAN. thank you, every word wisely placed. It is the anecdotal evidence from those immersed in the culture that tells the story. Sure embellished narratives lurk within the telling but it is THE PEOPLE'S STORY that rings true.

In the USAi money speaks and tests are money. Its the Benjamin's baby ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2020 12:00 utc | 115

Don Bacon @ 10

The president should not be considered as an autocrat making decisions on everythng. This is supposed to be a democracy.

No, this is supposed to be a republic, not a democracy and there is a fundamental difference between the two.

Posted by: Lawrence Miller | Oct 26 2020 12:29 utc | 116

chu teh @97 wrote

And who would know what Comey's true status is. SES? CS? CIA?

You are writing nonsense.
Comey's status as a federal employee is clearly defined in the Federal statutes

The status of federal employees is not a secret.
Who is SES and who is not is clearly defined in the statutes.
If you care to look it up go to:

U.S. Code
Subpart B. Employment and Retention

Posted by: jinn | Oct 26 2020 12:44 utc | 117

So 8 days to go to the bogus result of this sham Hollywood fiction.
It seems Israel has picked Trump to be your new dictator!
Good luck with that then.
300, 000,000 of you and those two are the best candidates you can find ? Says a lot about the rest of you.
A choice between one pedophile or another ?
Really !

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 26 2020 13:08 utc | 118

The dragon counterattacks.
..from Global Times
China may restrict rare-earth imports, issue financial blockades over US arms sale to Taiwan: analysts

China announced to sanction firms including Lockheed Martin, Boeing Defense, Raytheon as well as individuals and entities that are involved in arms sales to the island of Taiwan. The latest response, that came after China's big event to commemorate a war against US aggression in Korea 70 years ago with unprecedented scale and strength against firms, individuals and entities involved in the arms sale, sends a clear signal that China's decision-making won't be disturbed by US internal affairs and any acts that have undermined China's sovereignty, security and development interests are bound to face serious consequences, analysts said.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian told a routine press conference on Monday that the sanctions were in response to recently approved US arms sales to Taiwan on October 21, which could have a total value of $1.81 billion.

The spokesperson reiterated that the US weapons sales to the island of Taiwan have severely violated the one-China principle and the provisions of the three China-US joint communiqués and seriously undermined China's sovereignty and security interests. China firmly opposes this and strongly condemns it. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 26 2020 13:14 utc | 119

@ LM #116
suppose: assume that something is the case on the basis of evidence or probability but without proof or certain knowledge.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 26 2020 13:23 utc | 120

Taiwan is now comparing itself to Hong Kong. This can not turn out well for Taiwan
Taiwan News:
Taiwan's DPP voices support for Hong Kong after solidarity march
Taiwan 'cannot remain silent' as Hong Kong's freedom, human rights degraded: Democratic Progressive Party

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — Following Sunday’s (Oct. 25) pro-Hong Kong march in Taipei, the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) stated that it will draw from civilian and governmental efforts to support Hong Kong’s freedom.
A number of Taiwanese civic groups organized Sunday's march in solidarity with the 12 Hong Kong citizens who were detained by Chinese authorities while attempting to flee to Taiwan in a boat in August.
The DPP said in a statement Sunday evening that Taiwan cannot remain silent in the face of the Chinese Communist Party and Hong Kong government’s continuous degradation of Hong Kong’s freedoms and human rights, CNA reported. The DPP also noted that young Hongkongers wanting to stand up for their values and a better future face unreasonable and cruel oppression, remarking, "We cannot turn a blind eye."
The party said that in order to uphold justice and democratic values, it will continue to combine the strength of the people and the government to support Hong Kong's freedom. “God bless Taiwan and Hong Kong,” it stated. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 26 2020 13:28 utc | 121

Maduro says Venezuelan scientists developed medicine that ‘cancels 100% of Covid-19’ with no side-effects

"As he touted the potential breakthrough in Covid-19 therapy, Maduro said Venezuela looks forward “to offering this treatment to the world,”"

Certainly a few countries that do not deserve it IMO.

Posted by: arby | Oct 26 2020 13:30 utc | 122

As some of you probably know, I am very interested in the Arab nations – Turkey dynamic that seems to have taken on a new dimension over the last year or so and promises to seriously influence the balance of power regionally. Here’s a very insightful article UAE vs Turkey: the regional rivalries pitting MBZ against Erdogan . FT really impresses at times, I have to say.

“Where you find Emirati activity you often find Turkish activity directly countering it in a way Iran doesn’t,” says Michael Stephens, an associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a think-tank. “They believe they are up against a Turkey that is very hostile in terms of its nationalism, its power projection and a determination to make sure the UAE doesn’t get its own way.”

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 26 2020 14:00 utc | 123

Uncle tungsten @ 115

You are making me blush.

Something curious in the numbers. In B’s top post he links to a Scientific American article about Maine. Doing exactly the same things as are being done locally (Illinois) somehow Maine has an order of magnitude fewer deaths. RSH is always going on about San Francisco. They too have an order of magnitude fewer deaths. Doing exactly same as locally. Or at least the description in words makes the lockdown efforts exactly similar.

One possibility is maybe those places really follow through and do contact tracing. We had a flurry of press releases April through June, as far as I can tell contact tracing is purely an aspirational goal and a way to hand out jobs. Of course the local press never does their job, nothing for me to go on but anecdote. And no way could I assess what is being done in San Fran or Maine.

Another possibility is that again the numbers can’t be trusted. See my post #31. Keeping track of deaths is purely a matter for counties. County government anywhere in this country is an absolute cesspit. For a while I tried to keep a spreadsheet to get some idea how daily deaths were tracking. Impossible. Here in Cook County responsibilty is broken down between Cook County Department of Heath, Chicago DPH, Evanston DPH, Skokie DPH, Oak Park DPH, Stickney DPH. Allegedly each reports data at 3p.m. daily but they don’t. So data comes in lumps and forget time stamps. Also Director of Public Health is basically a diversity set aside. The favored group that gets appointed seems to be Nigerians. Shall we say public confidence in these characters is less than zero? At least in the case of Maine the public health guy in charge is a public person and talks to press. Here the public health directors all hide and no one expects otherwise. Also will add that ‘Stickney’ is a punch line, the place where all the voters are dead, and data emerging from that hole is a priori tainted.

At level of public discourse none of the granular information even exists. What San Fran and Maine and Illinois are doing in response to covid is all the same. Governor Pritzker gets a pass. He wears a blue hat and of course has buckets of money and is supremely connected so Pritzker just cannot be criticized. We will never mention that he is a pile of blubber and exempts himself and his family from all the rules. On a personal level I happen to have known two women the guy dated when younger and the creep is assuredly a creep. Who cares, he is a rich creep.

One more time, nursing home data is pretty much worthless. Nursing homes traditionally and faithfully turn out the vote so are basically unregulated. It is purely business as usual to play with the death certificates. Since nursing home deaths are a huge part of the American pandemic we simply know nothing. And won’t.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 26 2020 14:08 utc | 124

@willie | 111

it is easy to bash Macron, nonetheless, yours is rather a bizarre comment given that this episode started with the beheading of a teacher in broad-daylight!
Macron is absolutely right when he says that he shall not forget those nations who were silent after such an horrific event.
And calls by Muslim groups for international 'blasphemy' laws must be fought at all levels because they are clearly an attempt to impede freedom of speech.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 26 2020 14:19 utc | 125

@Mark2 | Oct 26 2020 13:08 utc | 118

So 8 days to go to the bogus result of this sham Hollywood fiction.
It seems Israel has picked Trump to be your new dictator!

Thanks, we needed that clarification, because Biden says it will be George Bush

Joe Biden Confuses President Trump W/ George W Bush: “Because Of Who I’m Running Against…George"

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 26 2020 14:21 utc | 126

Norwegian | Oct 26 2020 14:21 utc | 126

I may have to rethink this and vote for Biden. I don't want George Bush to become president again.

I wonder if the sign languager relays Biden's screw-ups as spoken, or do you think she's told to "correct" them in real time, the way the media does afterward.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 26 2020 14:37 utc | 127

To all you Americans,
By way of support in this final run up to the elections, I will be listening to Phil Ochs and wondering why it is that the Chileans never forgot Victor Jara, but you guys ... You really should appreciate his contemporary, Phil Ochs, more than you do.
Good luck to you all.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 26 2020 14:43 utc | 128

Great updated historical/retrospective video piece (14min long) on how Iraq War(s) and eastern Syria conflicts really was/still is All About Stealing/Controlling the OIL

And, if you can believe the following two pieces, Joe Biden, like many other of his contemporaries, was right in there up to his elbows, grifting his share of the war booty through kickbacks and various schemes

Posted by: gm | Oct 26 2020 14:49 utc | 129

and today Chile has won!
An overlandslide, devastating victory touching the edge of 80% for a new Constitution.
A giant qualitative leap which among the youngsters was 85% of the vote.
A 3rd class coffin for the long rotting corpsist carrion of Pinochetism from north to south. Viva Chile!
And the constituent 155 member body will be formed by 50% women and 13 percent indigenous. What is self evident is the bloody hand of empire cannot change this anymore.

Posted by: augusto | Oct 26 2020 14:58 utc | 130

125# AtaBrit

For twenty-odd years the whole french political class braggs about how wonderful it is to live in La République Française,with its republican values that the whole world envies.At the same time the same politicians team up with Muslim Brotherhood (prohibited in Russia as a terrorist organization).After Charlie Hebdo murders in 2015 in the name of freedom of speech the government Holland (in which Macron was minister of Economy selling Alstom and its nuclear and turbine technology to the americans),paid for reprinting seven million copies of the CH edition with the offensive caricatures,all in the name of freedom of speech.(I wont go in to the fact that CH fired one of its best caricaturists by name of Sine for a drawing offending jews).Without ever considering the fact that it could make great impact on muslims all over the world.At the same time France was present in destroying perfectly sound well developed arab countries where was freedom of religion;Libya and Syria.They once had good healthcare,churches,universities,and craftsmanship.Down the drain now.

It is not the first time here that I witness people from other countries thinking France is a normal country.It is not.It is number one in fakery and population misleading,the whole political class is a very bad and boring piece of theatre,there are no politicians,they are all actors playing a scripted role.

So now Macron pushes reedition of those badtaste pictures again.What do you have to say about that?

the goal of those criminals is to have a civil war between french and muslims.It is on the way.

Posted by: willie | Oct 26 2020 15:11 utc | 131

Possibly someone has linked this Craig Murray article on COVİD 19. I fos, I apologize for the duplication.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 26 2020 15:23 utc | 132

A quote from the Murray article linked above is in my opinion, important to understand.

"The hard truth is this. If the economy were allowed to function entirely normally, if people could go about their daily business, there would be no significant increase in risk of death or of life changing illness to the large majority of the population. If you allowed restaurants, offices and factories to be be open completely as normal, the risk of death really would be almost entirely confined to the elderly and the sick. Which must beg the question, can you not protect those groups without closing all those places?"

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 26 2020 15:28 utc | 133

From the Murray piece:

“Respectable” academic estimates of global deaths from Hong Kong flu in 1968 to 70 range from 1 million to 4 million, and I am not sure there is a consensus.

And no one tried to lock down the young Boomers on whose behalf today's young are supposed to sacrifice all their plans and hopes for life, in order to help the Boomer husks drag out a few miserable extra months. Nor would those Boomer youth have tolerated being locked down. (It sure looks like the human spirit is spent for the duration of the economic civilization, in the West and among all who ape it; otherwise the lockdowns never would have been tolerated and the Covid Death Cult never would have arisen.)

This is just the most extreme version of "I got mine Jack, screw you."

Posted by: Russ | Oct 26 2020 15:46 utc | 134

@ jinn - it is true making a false claim is easier and no doubt this might happen more often too for obvious reasons....

@ willie... thanks for the overview from france.. i appreciate it...

it is interesting what twitter is banning - new york post biden article and what they are putting in people's feeds - guiliani bit.... i have a hard time not making something out of this and think twitter is in on this..

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2020 15:48 utc | 135

@Blue Dotterel | Oct 26 2020 15:28 utc | 133

Apropos of what Craig Murray wrote, the following 14 min YT, filmed in London's famous shopping/commercial districts on 10/22/20, drives home the level of economic devastation that coronavirus fears and clampdowns have brought to these iconic parts of London:

Posted by: gm | Oct 26 2020 15:50 utc | 136

Blue Dotterel @ 133
That’s the same kind of rationalisation that led to the gas chambers.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 26 2020 15:55 utc | 137

@willie | 131
"a civil war between french and muslims.It is on the way"

A coincidence I am sure, but that is nearly word for translated word of what Erdogan stated today!

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 26 2020 16:19 utc | 138

AtaBrit @ 125

In olden days public executions involved an axe, a chopping block, an executioner. Notably even experienced executioners did not always succeed with one fell of the axe. This is why the French invented the guillotine.

In modern media any mentally ill person with religious delusions can accomplish an impromptu beheading anytime anywhere. With a dull pocketknife. This is dubious. When you read of such executions the first response should not be infinite credulity.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 26 2020 16:20 utc | 139

How New York’s mistakes let Covid-19 overwhelm the US - Financial Times (US), 10_23_2020

(try searching for the title and you may get past the paywall)

This is how democrats handled covid-19. Andrew Cuomo has 19,000 excess deaths in his ledger.

I don't care how msdnc beatifies Cuomo, he f*ed up just as bad, if not worse than Trump. But he's portrayed as a COVID hero, isn't he? There is no accountability for the elites.


Posted by: upstater | Oct 26 2020 16:40 utc | 140

All About using nation state force to Steal/Control the OIL ..
..grifting his share of the war booty through kickbacks and various schemes

kickback schemes 1
A HREF="">kickback schemes II by: gm @ 129 <= Tell me do you think theft of goodies in foreign places was planned into the USA constitution 1787 .. Article II, Section 2 has three paragraphs..

Paragraph 1 of Art II, sec 2(1) makes the person elected by the electoral college to the position of president, exclusive war lord with additional power to grant reprieves and pardons.
Paragraph 2 of Art II, sec 2(2) grants power to president to make treaties, to appoint Ambassadors, public Ministers, Consuls, USSC Judges, other Officers including just about every office in the USA that might have the authority to audit activities of the President and to hold the president accountable for any abuse of power..
Paragraph 3 of Art II, sec 2(3) grants the President the power to do what the Senate would do when the Senate is in recess..

What else could the 1787 Framers have done, to make it possible for the electoral college to use the military and resources of the USA to steal whatever from any foreign place or person?

Posted by: snake | Oct 26 2020 16:59 utc | 141

willie @ 131,

Yes, I listened to an interview with a fellow from Cote d'Ivoire. He said that 11 countries in Africa were all colonies of France. Now, 60 years after their so called independence he said they are still run by France.

Posted by: arby | Oct 26 2020 17:20 utc | 142

That's absurd, Cuba! Stop depriving your own people just for the sake of a failed and utopian ideology! Death to the Castro brothers! Freedom to the people of Cuba!

Oh, wait, it's not Cuba, but Northern California, Texas and Alabama:

Planned power outages affect hundreds of thousands as intense wildfires rage on in Northern California

Headline (not the URL)

Posted by: vk | Oct 26 2020 17:49 utc | 143

snake | Oct 26 2020 9:06 utc | 109

Ursolic Acid [aka bear juice] has off-label history of treating Parkinson's Disease...tho effects are arguably favorable in slowing advancement of PD, ursolic acid was considered safe and was easily obtained in Mexico over-the-counter...but horrible tasting.

Did a survey on ursolic acid use re PD abt 7 years ago for a friend with PD whose English and internet skills were poor....owed him for a big favor he did me.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 26 2020 18:13 utc | 144

Uh-oh...Trump is picking a fight with the wrong guy...Borat!

He really stepped on it with this one! Now Borat is trolling Trump all over social media.

Trump said of Sacha Baron Cohen: This guy is a phoney guy. I don't find him funny. To me, he's a creep.

To which Cohen replied:

Donald—I appreciate the free publicity for Borat! I admit, I don’t find you funny either. But yet the whole world laughs at you.

I’m always looking for people to play racist buffoons, and you’ll need a job after Jan. 20. Let’s talk!

(Click that tweet; it gets worse!):


Read all his tweets on Trump. Especially check out IT ME! among those tweets. Hilarious!

borat trump

Also, Rupert Murdoch endorsed Trump with his dirty rag New York Post. That speaks volumes. Sleaze recognizing sleaze. How cute.🤮

Posted by: Circe | Oct 26 2020 18:13 utc | 145

Today begins China's 5th Plenum (26-29 Oct. 2020). There's a series of articles in the Global Times, People Daily et al that I recommend you read.

Here's one for beginners:

Major challenges China faces in next five years

China knows it has problems and isn't afraid of telling them publicly. Completely different from the capitalist (liberal) countries, where censorship and obscurantism are the synthesis of freedom.

Posted by: vk | Oct 26 2020 18:16 utc | 146

Russ @ 134

Correct! It is all about the Baby Boomers. It is always about the Boomers!

Who got all the government jobs?

Who got a real estate bubble to turn their 125k home into a 500k home? How does a 20 something couple afford a 500k home?

Who got the endless debt bubble so they could live beyond their means?

Who has been running the government, in fact the entire system, tossing morality down the toilet so they can do anything they please?

Who forced the younger generations to stop living their lives in order to save them from Covid 19?

What strikes me as pathetic is that all these Boomers have children and grandkids. Ignorance is bliss!

Posted by: EoinW | Oct 26 2020 18:33 utc | 147

@oldhippie | 139
Fair comment, but nor should such events be met with utter incredulity. The point is to present whatever evidence of whatever nature you can to ascertain the truth of the situation. And the decapitation was not the only atrocity, two people were stabbed in a different incident inspired by the same trial start.

What is suspicious, always in my view, is when people repeat media narratives of whichever bent. Hence my previous comment.

And the truth of whether the act was state sponsored or an act of Islamic extremism aside, the reaction in certain Muslim countries has been completely disrespectful and hypocritical attempting to gain significant political mileage. A stance that would be slammed were the shoe on the other foot.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 26 2020 18:34 utc | 148

@ Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 26 2020 18:40 utc | 149

I was always aware of those problems in China. The difference is that all those problems are still manageable (it's not those 300% of GDP as Western propagandists tell us; it's circa 75%, still solvable specially because they are in Renminbi and not Dollars).

That's not the case with the West, where the no-return point was already crossed many decades ago. Save another miraculous technological revolution on par with the Second Industrial Revolution, the West will collapse, it's just a matter of latency now.

China had a one-child policy for decades. Don't act as you were surprised. Indeed, the Social Darwinist (liberal) West praised such policy as "the only thing good the CCP has ever done". Funny how you all pretend it never happened.

Either way, every one and their mothers knew the CCP knows the Chinese population is going to peak in 2030, after which it will begin to decline. I literally read a book of 2008 about this.

Posted by: vk | Oct 26 2020 18:58 utc | 149

vk @146: "China knows it has problems and isn't afraid of telling them publicly."

China's Communist Party has a hundred million members. They have to discuss the problems and agree on solutions. How can a hundred million people possibly do that in secret? Those hundred million also need to do surveys of the non-party people in their areas to get an idea what the general public's feelings are on the issues. Hundreds of millions of people in China end up knowing what China's problems are. The only people it is a secret to are the idiots in the West who have to rely upon satellite photos to get an idea what is happening in China, as if the country is on another planet or something.

Posted by: William R Henry | Oct 26 2020 19:03 utc | 150

@ Posted by: William R Henry | Oct 26 2020 19:03 utc | 151

You're right. From the linked article:

China has opened the doors to suggestions from the public on the 14th FYP, allowing anyone to submit opinions or ideas online. Over 1 million submissions were received in two weeks starting August 16.

Posted by: vk | Oct 26 2020 19:15 utc | 151

@snake | Oct 26 2020 9:06 utc | 109
@chu teh | Oct 26 2020 18:13 utc | 144

RE: "can anyone find a peer reviewed article .. ? covering Ursolic acid metabolism in Corona Virus.. or in human cell biology?"

There is quite a good Wikipedia write-up on ursolic acid, with refs pointing to studies of various possible neuroprotective, regenerative, metabolic/immune function enhancing properties.

Several chemically very similar triterpene natural products have also been studied for biological activities:

Betulinic acid (from white birch tree bark) possible cancer static/inhibitory effects

Oleanic acid : possible liver-protective, antitumor, antiviral indications

Moronic acid : antiviral [See Richard Steven Hack for further info /sarc.]

Posted by: gm | Oct 26 2020 19:29 utc | 152

Posted by: Circe | Oct 26 2020 18:13 utc | 145

Who is that Borat guy dear Circe? Someone that became famous depicting a country as big as Western Europe, a country called Kazakhstan, as a bunch of goatscrewing steppe people, a bad and falsely humorous description of what your hated orange guy would call a shithole country.

That gang of exquisite, smart, refined when looking upwards and plain jerks when looking bellow, that gang is the main recruiting task force for the daily increase of the so called deplorables, so I am not sure his endorsing will have any convincing result, except within his gang members, the ones that laugh at shithole countries with Borat and scream when pronounced by the hated Ghoul.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 26 2020 19:43 utc | 153

@Paco | Oct 26 2020 19:43 utc | 154

That Borat Cohen character's humor escapes me totally. It first turned me off a decade or more ago with his very unfunny cheap shot joke about fermented horse urine being the national beverage of Kazakhstan.

Posted by: gm | Oct 26 2020 20:07 utc | 154

willie #111

The same criticism is brilliantly written bi Emile Zola in his masterpiece The Debacle. Over a century ago he wrote of his personal experience with Napoleon and the creation of the Paris Commune. All barflies will take value from this mighty work.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2020 20:16 utc | 155

it is interesting seeing circe support for borat... i get it.. if borat promotes zionism, i wonder how circe responds??? i see borat as a real bore myself, but the fact he is jewish has nothing to do with it... the fact he gets all the promo in the usa media is interesting from a conspiratorial pov...

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2020 20:28 utc | 156

@ uncle tungsten... i have been encouraged to read emile zola in the past... i would like to take you up on that, as i have yet to read anything by him.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Oct 26 2020 20:30 utc | 157

@157 'Progressives' find Borat hilarious james. I'm guessing his latest stunt means more votes for Trump.

Posted by: dh | Oct 26 2020 20:40 utc | 158

Borat appeals to the usual racist and cultural elitist predilections among well-heeled limousine liberals who despise and look down upon "deplorables" wherever they're found, in America or overseas.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 26 2020 20:46 utc | 159

Another insightful Crooke analysis: "Break in Relations With the EU? – ‘If This Is the Way They Want It, So Be It’" Lavrov and Xi echo loudly in the sentences Crooke composes while pointing out the rather large deficits within the EU Neoliberal bloc:

"It seems there is a very clear message here for the EU. But are they listening? Whilst Europe does have ‘cards’ to play, it is hubris to assume that all will ‘submit’ to European ‘conditions’ and values, just to avoid losing access to its markets. Yes, indeed there is a large European ‘market’, but it has some very obvious lacunae too – No cloud platforms; little investment in telecoms and 5G (particularly in Germany); no security of energy supply at an affordable cost; and has no social media platforms to rival either those of the U.S. or China. China has the money and the know-how which the U.S. cannot replace.

"Europe does have pockets of expertise (such as in AI and aerospace), but no Big Tech. And in terms of spending on Tech R & D, the EU is a minnow. Europe badly needs Chinese (and Russian) collaboration in Tech to participate in the ‘New Economy’, yet the U.S. wants the EU to sever completely from Chinese and Russian technology."

Together, Russia and China form the most powerful bloc on the planet, a position once held by the NATO bloc but eaten away by Neoliberal parasitism, and aided immensely by the escalation by TrumpCo of the "'Anglo’ vendetta" against Russia and longstanding racism against Asians and Chinese in particular. I again return to the importance of Putin's "viability doctrine" and "quest for balance" as Crooke cites Tom Stevenson, an investment director at Fidelity International:

"Despite accounting for nearly 60pc of the global population, Asia has had less than 15pc of Covid-related deaths this year. Europe, with less than 10pc of the world’s people, accounts for nearly a third of all deaths. Same story in north America. Third quarter GDP figures from China will show how this materially better pandemic performance is showing up in economic data. First in, first out and a much steeper recovery path, too. Credit Suisse thinks that by the end of next year, China’s economic output will be 11pc above its pre-virus level, while the U.S., Europe and Japan will still be catching up.

“Coronavirus has caused some fundamental changes in the way that businesses and whole industries now operate. In particular, global supply chains are being replaced by a more regional approach, which has reduced Asia’s dependence on the health of Europe and the U.S. Today around 60pc of all trade in Asia happens within the region. The big growth in our dependence on technology and the increasing digitisation of the economy also plays to China’s strengths”

It feels good when months of writing are verified and the new geopolitical arrangement I've been describing are echoed. India lashing its policy to the sinking Outlaw US Empire will be the big loser in Asia, which is really very sad as its people deserve so much better than a continuation of the Raj by a neoliberal satrap. Europe minus Russia, the UK and Iceland is about 2 times the size of Kazakhstan and really ought not to be termed a continent. Its political-economic machinery are no match for the Russia-China bloc, and is way outmatched when that bloc marries ASEAN and risks becoming a backwater because of its hubris. It's steadfast refusal to join the several Eurasian integration visions put forth reveals a complete blindness of the future. It seems only Italy has its eyes open.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2020 21:05 utc | 160

@JackRabbit #57
No, Asia also shows: whether the nations locked down (China) or didn't (South Korea) or alternated (Singapore) - the difference in results was minimal.
Even shambolic India - the worst of the bunch - is 10x less bad than the rich western democracies.
So yet again: lockdowns don't seem to matter much, if at all.
Nor are any of the Asian nations "over it" - outbreaks keep reoccurring in all of them.
If China, with the full might if its surveillance state and overt control over its economy, can't do lock down hard enough to stop COVID - why again will Western lockdowns do better?

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 26 2020 21:18 utc | 161

@Richard Steven Hack #78
Any shutdown exists only in your own mind - much like the supposed reason and science you put forward.
Sorry, but you simply have no credibility whatsoever.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 26 2020 21:20 utc | 162

@donkeytale #149
Astronomical debt to GDP ratio: yes and no. In absolute terms, it is high. But it is all in RMB - so it doesn't matter: China can print as many RMB as it needs to service this debt, as long as it wants.
But more importantly: debt isn't just a function of ratio to GDP - it is a function to growth.
Japan's debt to GDP is comparable but Japan's growth rates are almost zero compared with China's 6% now to 11%+ in the recent past.
Debt laden real estate bubble: China has in the order of $4 trillion to $5 trillion in mortgage debt. The US has $16 trillion. GDPs are comparable, although China's per capita is much lower.
Which one is the bigger problem?
High and growing levels of wealth and income inequality: China GINI is 38.5, US GINI is 41.1 - higher is worse.
Lack of social safety net for an aging population: Perhaps you've forgotten that China is still a communist nation. There is a pension system for government employees and employees of state-owned enterprises. There is also a rural system. It is absolutely not perfect - mostly because it doesn't need to be: China has a pretty respectable worker to retiree ratio now.
The US? Government employees have a pension - pretty much nobody else does anymore. Social Security isn't a retirement plan - more like a going away gift.

Net net: China isn't perfect and has its issues, but none of these issues seem to be significant compared to the exact same issues in the developed world: US, Japan, Europe etc.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 26 2020 21:32 utc | 163

@chu teh #89
SES doesn't mean the Director of the FBI cannot be removed from that position.
That person might still have a job in the federal government - but he/she isn't going to be Director of the FBI or whatever, anymore.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 26 2020 21:36 utc | 164

Yet another call for action against Taiwan:

"The mainland has been implementing the strategy of peaceful reunification since the 1980s, but has never given up the use of force to solve the Taiwan question. Military means are the mainland's trump card for restraining Taiwan secessionists. Recently, the mainland conducted military exercises in the Taiwan Straits, and its military aircraft have reached near the island of Taiwan, sending a clear signal to the DPP authorities that they must rein in at the brink. Mainland public opinion is widely expressing expectations for the PLA fighter jets to fly over Taiwan. It is obvious that the PLA is making full preparations to exercise sovereignty over Taiwan.

"This is beyond the DPP authorities' expectations. They have been too arrogant. They took for granted that the Chinese mainland would only make oral threats instead of taking real action against their attempts to seek secession. Now they know how serious the situation is, while foreseeing the incoming punishment from the mainland. Media on the island believe that the two sides of the Taiwan Straits are reaching a "quasi war."

"Sustained by the 1992 Consensus, the cross-Straits situation managed to keep peace and stable for quite a period in the past. After Tsai Ing-wen took office, she abandoned the consensus and deceived the people on the island of Taiwan and the international community, hyping her so-called 'maintaining the status quo.' Without the 1992 Consensus, there will be no 'status quo.' The DPP authorities' seeking of "secession" is crystal clear. They have tied themselves to the US ruling elites' anti-China chariot without hesitation.

"Peaceful reunification has rich essence and tactic options, one of which is suppressing with resolute military action the Taiwan authorities' plot to seek 'Taiwan independence'. The fighter jets of the PLA must fly over the island of Taiwan to declare national sovereignty and show the determination to exercise the Anti-Secession Law. We need an opportunity to implement this action. We believe these could constitute the reasons for PLA fighter jets flying over Taiwan, including US senior officials visiting Taiwan, or sufficient evidence showing US warplanes fly over Taiwan, or the US and Taiwan engaging in open military exchanges and cooperation. This is the firm step the Chinese mainland needs to walk in a bid to lock down 'Taiwan independence' tendencies." [My Emphasis]

The questions begged are just how strong is mainland public opinion and is that public willing to take on the costs of reintegrating what's grown into an alien society. I'm certain those questions will be asked at the CPC's fifth plenary session of the 19th Communist Party of China Central Committee that began today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2020 21:42 utc | 165

@snake #90
There's no need to kill anyone; overall mortality numbers are up 20%, so all you really need is the actual people dying with COVID included with the numbers dying of COVID.

As for your European source comment: Poland, Hungary and Russia - Ukraine presumably - makes sense. Still not clear if the British were involved on the horse side though. Piracy was also a really serious problem in the Mediterranean in this period.

A lot seems to be missing/undocumented here - if 12 million slaves were shipped out, how many horses were shipped in? What was the horse to slave ratio? What was being traded for the horses - since clearly there were hardly any African slaves in Poland, Russia and Hungary (or Europe in general). I do recall the New England triangle trade: molasses to rum to slaves - so that accounts for the slave side.

The video specifically notes that the Songhai kingdowm was ridiculously wealthy as it also collected gold from the off-season farmers panning all over the continent.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 26 2020 21:43 utc | 166

augusto #130

CHILE LIBRE. YES. they had better oust/restrain the german nazi occupation in the south.

You have made my day. I trust the new is not an insipid creation of the mealy mouthed left that we see in too many places.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2020 21:47 utc | 167

james #158

Thank you. Zola is of the finest tradition of French rebellious writers. IMO he leaves Sartre and many modernist writers for dead. Zola cuts to the chase, takes you into the emotional depth of the times and characters while the modernists indulge in cant camouflaged behind dense impenetrable language. Others might disagree.

Dont put it off. The doorsteps of The Debacle is where we are again.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2020 21:53 utc | 168

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 26 2020 15:28 utc | 133 Which must beg the question, can you not protect those groups without closing all those places?"

No, you cannot. That has been discussed over and over. What part of fifty percent of US citizens have comorbidities can't you comprehend?

Why it's so difficult to protect older people from Covid-19

It’s been so, so surreal.’ Critics of Sweden’s lax pandemic policies face fierce backlash

The number of older people getting coronavirus in Europe is rising again. That's really bad news

The spread of infections from younger to older age groups has been documented elsewhere too.
When researchers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention studied a coronavirus outbreak across the southern United States in June, they found that the increase in infections among younger adults preceded the increase among older people by between four and 15 days. In other words, once an outbreak has spread among younger people, it starts spilling over into older, more vulnerable age groups.
Dr. Jennifer Cole, from Royal Holloway, University of London, said the data in England shows the outbreak isn't "contained" within the younger age groups, and that a lot of the virus's spread may be linked to multi-generational households...

And while there were suggestions earlier in the pandemic that if the elderly could somehow be protected from the virus, then the rest of society should be able to continue life as normal, most governments are now realizing that plan failed.
Faced with a spike in cases, Ireland announced Monday that it will reimpose a six-week lockdown from Wednesday.
The Czech Republic went into lockdown last week. On Monday, the government made face masks compulsory nearly everywhere. Belgium has introduced a curfew between midnight and 6 a.m.

The US National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion (NCCDPHP) estimates that 60% of US adults have 1 chronic disease (including heart disease, cancer, and diabetes), while 40% have 2 or more.

34 million US adults have diabetes and are 3 times more likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19 or flu
30 million US adults have heart disease and are 6 times more likely to have a heart attack within 7 days from flu
39 million US adults have asthma and/or COPD and are 1.5 times more likely to be hospitalized from COVID-19 or flu

Obesity has been identified as the number one thing that increases likelihood of hospitalization for and increased probability of death by COVID-19. An estimated 40 percent of Americans are considered obese.

How are you intending to protect the estimated 130 million Americans with at least one underlying condition?

This has been debunked *so many times*. But you Covidiots keep reiterating the same bullshit in thread after thread, as if your assertions had any weight of fact whatsoever.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 26 2020 22:01 utc | 169

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 26 2020 21:18 utc | 162 No, Asia also shows: whether the nations locked down (China) or didn't (South Korea) or alternated (Singapore) - the difference in results was minimal.

South Korea did not have to lockdown - they had *massive* capability to test, trace and isolate - which again you ignore.

"Nor are any of the Asian nations "over it" - outbreaks keep reoccurring in all of them."

But they don't overwhelm the system. It's a VIRUS - *someone* is going to get it. The only relevant question is whether it becomes a serious problem outside of a specific locality. That's the entire purpose of testing, tracing and isolating - which you continue to ignore because all you want to talk about is the lockdown. And the reason you want to talk about that alone is because you want the lockdown removed - because you're a Trump supporter.

"If China, with the full might if its surveillance state and overt control over its economy, can't do lock down hard enough to stop COVID"

China *did* stop the virus - from overwhelming the whole country. As did the rest of the Asian countries.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 26 2020 21:20 utc | 163 Sorry, but you simply have no credibility whatsoever.

Like you do, with your evidence-less assertions completely lacking in logic. You're simply a Trump supporter who wants the economy re-opened, but you don't have the nerve to admit it. A truly pathetic individual with zero intellectual integrity.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 26 2020 22:08 utc | 170

I have an ambivalent opinion of Sacha Baron Cohen.

On the one hand, I find him arrogant, offensive and as vulgar as the ignorants he targets. He's one of those Jews I can't stand who thinks himself superior to us lesser mortal goyim and ridicules with that condescension typical to some Jews, more specifically Zionists.

Sometimes, though, when he's not quite so vulgar and smug, I'll admit he cracks me up. He knows how to zero in on cultural idiosyncrasies and weaknesses and turn them into comedy of the absurd with his hare-brained antics.

However I can't stand him, the fact that Trump is a Ziofascist and Cohen a Zionist himself is targeting him, is priceless irony, come on, and the fact that Trump takes himself so seriously and can't laugh at himself and Cohen knows just how to get under his skin is the icing on the cake!

I say let Borat loose on Trump and fight fire with fire! They deserve each other and so do their inflated egos!

I can't get enough of Borat's latest obsession with pestering Trump. Carry on!

Posted by: Circe | Oct 26 2020 22:26 utc | 171

As revealed by Lavrov at the Valdai Club discussion, diplomatic language employed by Russia is becoming more directly explicit as seen in Lavrov’s interview with Croatian newspaper Vecernji List:

"The sanctions spiral inspired by Brussels and a number of Russophobic EU countries at the direct orders from Washington remain a serious obstacle for further strengthening Russia-Croatia ties. But this is a different matter. They have been stepping up this anti-Russia policy lately. I hope that our European colleagues will have the wisdom, vision and simply common sense, so that our dialogue with the European Union and its member states is fully restored based on the principles of neighbourly relations, good faith, predictability and openness....

"The project to build an LNG terminal on Krk Island is Croatia’s internal affair. If our Croatian colleagues believe that liquefied gas would be better for their economy compared to cheaper pipeline gas, so be it. Everyone has the right to decide what is profitable and what is not.

"Our country has been a reliable and honest energy supplier for many decades now, and officials in Zagreb are perfectly aware of this. They also know that there is no political rationale behind these gas contracts. This is nothing but business. Of course, we heard allegations that Croatia and other European countries depend on Russian gas, but we have seen nothing but attempts to sow groundless doubt. We do not impose anything on anyone, and we responsibly perform all the contracts we have."

And in particular, the following Q & A:

"Question: Russia is being frequently accused of interfering in elections, in particular in the US, of masterminding cyberattacks (even last year’s Croatian Security and Intelligence Agency report mentioned those attacks), of using false news and misinformation, of poisoning its political opponents, Alexey Navalny being the most recent case, and of destabilising the Middle East and the Balkans. What is the reason for this? How do you respond to such accusations and how do you intend to rectify what is going on?

"Sergey Lavrov: Unfortunately, we have to admit that recently, Washington and a number of EU capitals have redoubled their efforts to contain Russia's development; they are trying to punish us for an independent foreign policy, for consistently upholding our national interests. To justify their actions, the introduction of ever new anti-Russia sanctions, they throw in various accusations and insinuations, including those you just mentioned. At the same time, no one has shown any facts or evidence. This rhetoric is always being kept at the ‘highly likely’ innuendo level; those claims are based on fabricated accusations and run contrary to even elementary logic. All the proposals we make to set up a professional dialogue on any concerns remain without any reaction. So we have no other choice but to conclude we cannot count on a mutually respectful consideration of the emerging problems, because the West has made it a rule to talk with Russia based on the presumption of its guilt. Consider Berlin's arrogant refusal to respond to numerous requests from our Prosecutor General's Office on the so-called Navalny case, a direct violation of Germany's obligations under the 1959 European Convention on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters. Instead of respecting this international legal document, representatives of Germany and France initiated another batch of illegitimate EU sanctions against Russian citizens. All this deplorably and clearly illustrates the inability of the European Union to adequately assess what is happening in the world, and its tendency to put itself beyond the law.

"We never avoid responding proportionately to the anti-Russia attacks by our Western colleagues who seem to have forgotten what diplomacy is and have sunk to the level of vulgar rudeness. Our retaliatory steps in the US and EU are well known.

"At the same time, we continue to pursue a multi-vector foreign policy, to build up interaction with those who are open to honest joint work on the principles of equality, mutual respect and a balance of interests. The overwhelming majority of such international partners we have are in Eurasia, Africa and Latin America. Among them are our friends and allies in the EAEU, CSTO, CIS, BRICS and SCO."

And so it goes in line with Crooke's article. At the direction of the Outlaw US Empire the EU is slowly strangling itself. And do take note of Lavrov's direct accusation of the Outlaw US Empire's guilt in this ongoing affair. IMO, once Nord Stream 2 is made operational, little commerce will complement it since the EU will keep its irrational sanctions at the behest of its boss, the Outlaw US Empire. By the 10th anniversary of the 2014 EU/USA coup in Ukraine, I expect a lower volume of trade in real terms than in 2012 with the trend continuing downward unless there's a huge mindshift in Brussels. But old habits die very slowly in Europe.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2020 22:32 utc | 172

oldhippie 139# AtaBrit

"In olden days public executions involved an axe, a chopping block, an executioner. Notably even experienced executioners did not always succeed with one fell of the axe. This is why the French invented the guillotine.

In modern media any mentally ill person with religious delusions can accomplish an impromptu beheading anytime anywhere. With a dull pocketknife. This is dubious. When you read of such executions the first response should not be infinite credulity."

Very true words.Every time one starts looking closer into major,minor and attempted attacks there are some incongruities that would wake up any detectives-reader.But those are left out of the narrative,and witnesses to what happened relayed to dubious websites.For some decade there is a pattern in media changing arab perpetrators names to french names,all those perpetrators get out well before the end of the sentence,and french people are witness of police letting those"Territoires perdues de la République" neighbourhoods in peace while heavily handed breaking peaceful demos with infiltrated nato-scum and black blogs in uniform or is it the other way around.

And then as houseowner you are the unwilling victim of several to up to fifteen times a day you are rung up with 09 numbers to sell you government subsidized isolation.Wary of running to the phone ten times every working day and even french holidays,because on the other end it is not France.Had to change my habits and take only known numbers,and I listen to the answering machine,mostly empty.Why is it that I get what must amount to thousands useless calls over the years,and there has never been one tiny little brochure with the isolating proposition in my letterbox?It is a mafia operation,I've seen it done,lousy jobs where two or three guys show up and in few hours coat some chemicalstuff on your beautiful cellar vault.(I'm quite sure the goal is to tax people who did not well isolate their walls.)But as many small operators benefit from it,who would be out of work without it,and of course the system pays a lot of money to foreign telephone call centers to make the contacts,and one could wonder how big such call campaigns are compared to the small percentage of people who become customer.Now ,you easily make out it is an arabspeaking french voice though sometimes they present themselves as Alain Duval or Olivier Dupont,thus contributing to the ever growing mistrust among french on to each other and unto maghrebins and african people.It is all Jim Carey on the scale of a whole country that's what it is.

French oligarchs Arnaud,Pinault,Dassault,Bolloré,Niel,Bouygues,etc,they own ports and harbours,arms factories,radio and television stations,all of the press,heavily subsedized by the way,with 7500 euros tax advantage if you have your journalist card.They have telephone companies,shares in big supermarket chains,airfields in Africa,ports in Cote d'Ivoire,Cameroun Senegal,they own it all.They own all politicians.Did not Sarkozy put in power Alassan Ouattara in Cote d'Ivoire after french intervention to put Laurent Gbagbo in prison in The Hague?After he had married him and his jewish wife at the time he was mayor of Neuilly sur Seine,the richest place in France.
Some african ministers claim that Sarkozy threatened them personally before attacking Khadafi.

Too many narratives clash with witnessed facts the day after,but it doesn't hold.
The first that comes to mind is the strange suicide of respected Police Investigator Helric Frédou a few hours after the januari 2015 Charlie Hebdo attack.

I agree with Atabrit about trusting neither narrative,in mainstream or "other" media.

I fell on this article which gives a very clear sighting on the situation in France,with historic references by French Author Jacques-Marie Bourget,it is called
The Mad love of France and the jihad,Bloody Boomerang.

I did try to have it translated in english,on yandex and google,but couldn't get it in its entirety because rather long,(and surtout because je suis nul avec l'ordi)but this is real good stuff.It makes me wonder if the Macron Erdogan antagonism is scripted as well,as part of the great muslim brotherhood endgame.

Cheers ,keep talking,we are bound for another lockdown,radio says so....Etat d'urgence sanitaire renewed until february .In a few days it is Toussaint and a lot of people go visit their origins and take care of the graves of their parents and family.You can tell it by the license plates from faraway departments.

Posted by: willie | Oct 26 2020 22:32 utc | 173

. . .regarding US COVID experience
As RSH has clearly indicated, Americans especially elderly ones are in pitiful physical condition, compared to others in the world, which means they would require tons of TLC including testing, tracing and isolation in order to have any chance of surviving. The most extreme example is elderly citizens in the nursing homes. . . .I live around a lot of old people, and I can tell you the last things on their minds is exercise. They won't walk across the street if they can help it. Couple that with unhealthy diets and a lot of stress, including recounting all their hip and knee replacements, etc. along with exposure to the virus and expect poor results.

China? I've been there, visited a park where everyone is in motion, singly or on groups, doing their yoga and other forms of exercise. Nobody was sitting around reading the newspaper. Such active people! . . .Go to Tuscany, the hill country of Italy, and see all those older pedestrians ambling up and down the town hills to do daily shopping etc. . .go to Korea and see hundreds of people, on a weekend, in line for buses to take them to some hills where they can walk. . .Germany also, people going wanderling in a forest. . . .These people stay in condition and are much less prone to the problems that lazy obese Americans encounter.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 26 2020 22:40 utc | 174

oldhippie #124

Contact tracing is vital for all. The unknowing people get maximum chance to respond early with medications even if it is max doses of vitamin D zinc etc and nasal spray with tea tree oil in saline. The they can increase handwash routines and other medications. It is utterly ridiculous to do nothing and wait to be struck down or not. When the normal flu is about people take precautions so why not now?

Time and well crafted surveys that include seeking attitude to state and trust may reveal why some locales get better results with similar state decrees. In my land there is reasonably strong compliance with state decrees and outbreaks mainly result from delinquent and ignorant behaviour.

I see the USAi as a place where centuries of 'me first' or cowboy rules or deceitful leaders and deregulation have become the norms.

Graft uber alles is the catch cry or mantra for a ruling elite and they need to be utterly conquered, totally plundered and their wealth redistributed to the people and their education and public health systems.

It will take revolution to smash the onshore and offshore tax and wealth havens and where better to commence than the USAi and particularly the state of Delaware.

All power to your arm and your struggle. If Chile can succeed then you will have yet another champion to follow. Imagine Cuba on a USA scale and no sanctions, that would be a great world.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2020 22:42 utc | 175

For those who missed it, here's the statement by "Putin on additional steps to de-escalate the situation in Europe in the wake of the termination of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty" who is again frankly direct and to the point:

"We consider the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty, as a result of which it was terminated, a serious mistake, which increases the risks of unleashing a missile arms race, stepping up confrontational potential and sliding into uncontrollable escalation. Given the unrelenting tension between Russia and NATO, new threats to European security are becoming evident.

"Under these circumstances, active efforts are required to reduce the deficit of trust and to strengthen regional and global stability, as well as to reduce the risks arising from misunderstandings and disagreements in the sphere of missile weapons.

"In this context, we reiterate our adherence to the moratorium on the deployment of ground-based INF missiles earlier declared by the Russian Federation until US-made missiles of similar classes are deployed in the corresponding regions.

"We also believe that our call to NATO countries to consider the possibility of declaring a counter-moratorium remains relevant." [My Emphasis]

If Europeans shrug their shoulders and look away--again--then they'll have only themselves to blame when negative results occur.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2020 22:47 utc | 176!?

Putin flip-flopping on his alleged previous position vis a vis Hunter/Biden presidency? Now allegedly says: "Hunter Biden made “very good money” in Ukraine and it had nothing to do with Russia"

Can I change my vote?

Posted by: gm | Oct 26 2020 22:50 utc | 177

Thank you uncle tungsten,I feel I have to read that one by Emile Zola.I only read "Au bonheur des Dames" when I was young,and it impressed me because of the anachronical feel about it.The big parisian warehouse with sales techniques that In the seventies I thought were modern,but that happened already a century before.So The Debacle it shall be in my next reads.

Posted by: willie | Oct 26 2020 22:56 utc | 178

@ karlof1 #173

Lavrov's remarks have one major omission, and that is to explain WHY the US is picking on Russia, China, Iran and North Korea as the new 'axis of evil.'

The US needs enemies as a result of its adoption of "security" after WWII. The National Security Act of 1947 made the promotion of 'national security' a primary function of government. It was "An Act to promote the national security by providing for a Secretary of Defense; for a National Military Establishment; for a Department of the Army, a Department of the Navy, a Department of the Air Force; and for the coordination of the activities of the National Military Establishment. . ." blah blah...

A 'security state' needs enemies, pure and simple. The Pentagon has determined that Russia and China are in primary competition with the US. So that makes them enemies. Iran is a competitor in the Middle East, and North Korea as an enemy is an excuse to maintain US air, ground and naval bases in close proximity to China. Russia is handled, as Lavrov indicates, via EU & NATO.

The US 'security state' as a lot of support from Congress because there's so much money in it, and that helps keep the same bought-and-paid for people in the congress, getting richer every year. That completes the circle. Not going to change.

So I'm suggesting that Lavrov's recitation of the obvious slandering of his country, which he's described, is motivated by nothing he, nor any one else not in the US security establishment, has any control of. In fact one could make the argument that the problems are so institutionalized in your "Outlaw USA" with its hand-picked enemies that nobody could ever change it even from the inside. . .Why would they change such a financial wonder?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 26 2020 23:08 utc | 179

Don Bacon & RSH--

You're both in line with the source I cited @161; but as Putin emphasized, a nation must be "viable to tackle any crisis responsibly to have a positive outcome. Trump destroyed those agencies whose members provided viability when it comes to defending against disease. And as I've emphasized over and again here and elsewhere, the federal government via its constitution is charged with "providing for the common defence," not the collection of supposedly independent "nations" known as states of the union. What Trump and his crew did was to commit treason--period--in the face of something as predictable as a viral outbreak that history proves happens with regularity--thus the need for defences. From watching its diabolical affects on other nations, we knew Neoliberalism--Disaster Capitalism--kills; and now those affects have hit home with a ferocity without any real equivalent--Will a monument be built in memory of those whose lives were needlessly destroyed? Will Trump and his abettors face treason charges as they ought? (Just to be fair, Obama by not enforcing the laws on the fraudulent banksters in 2009 also committed treason.)

Hell, looked at objectively, every president since Reagan has committed treason. The result: The Outlaw US Empire is directed by a bunch of fraudulent bankers and Rentiers who control the media narrative, own the executive and most of the legislative and judicial branches of the federal government. And regardless the victor, the next POTUS will again be one of their stooges, who will then fail to enforce the law and thus again commit treason against the people of the United States.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2020 23:17 utc | 180

Don Bacon @180--

Thanks for your reply! Crooke just called it a "vendetta" that predates the 1947 National Security Act. It's the same vendetta that was launched against the school of Classical Political-Economists @1860 in Europe by the vestiges of Feudalism who refused to lose their privileges without a very dirty fight. And that's the fight that's happening today. Oh and to answer your question, "Why would they change such a financial wonder?" My answer takes the view of the general public: Because it's grossly Immoral and ultimately self-defeating. But in your question, the "they" isn't the public at all. That "they" are those vestiges of Feudal power who want to keep that power for as long as possible--even if it means destroying the viability of the planet to support humanity. In that respect, they are the worst cabal of sociopaths, far worse than Hitler--akin to Vampires when you think of it, busily sucking the life-blood out of society, not giving a damn about the millions they kill. What humanity has yet to realize is they need to completely eliminate such Vampires and not ever allow any more to arise. For as you may now understand, the Vampire is a metaphor or allegory for the Feudal Lord--the real life horrific character and enemy to all humans.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2020 23:36 utc | 181

karlof #173

Thank you for that excellent Croatia report. I suspect Turkey in allegiance with Azerbaijan will seek to pipe gas to Croatia. That would frustrate the USAi game no end as they would see it as taking economic opportunity from Russia and further luring Er-dog-an their way. I wonder how the tune might change if Iran pumped their gas fields via Azerbaijan? Shia in both lands could unleash smart diplomacy and cement old historic ties. The great game has many facets to dazzle the west.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 26 2020 23:39 utc | 182

Cell phone video showing truly *massive* food riots purported to be in [Lagos?] Nigeria, dated 10/25/20:

Not a peep of this that I have seen on *any* MSM. I HOPE it is fake...

Posted by: gm | Oct 27 2020 0:00 utc | 183

karlof1 #181

Obummer equally destroyed the best apparatus possible when he had the grand slam majority to make change. He was soundly advised by a unanimous volley of experts from across the entire planet to prepare and had everything at hand and he chose treachery.

Obummer sowed the seed of betrayal, Trump then rained on the entire crop of bitter harvest.

There is no excusing the destruction of the people and their faint remnant of trust.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 27 2020 0:01 utc | 184

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2020 23:36 utc | 182

By 1860, feudalism was already dead. What happened is that, after the crushed revolution of 1848, the liberals shifted their line of argument, equating the newly-born socialism with some kind of revival of the ancien regime. They were specially targeting the working class unions, which they equated to the medieval guilds. It was also in this era that liberalism begun to differentiate individualism (freedom) from equality (i.e. socialism as the "ants' colony") - before that, the liberal thinking clearly conditioned equality with freedom (liberalism as the new Roman Republic or Athenian Republic). This distinction - equality as the "leveling of society" in opposition of individualism as the maximum stage of freedom - exists until today, many people talking about it as it was common sense.

The period from 1848-1870 has also another very important aspect to European History: it marks the apex of European (liberal) civilization. Until before the Revolution of 1848, the liberal thinkers were very enthusiastic about the truth: they really believed what they preached was the absolute truth, and encouraged science and investigation of the material in order to advance their convictions. This gave birth to the Classical Political Economy. After 1848, the liberals realized their convictions were not backed by science, therefore not true, so they begun the reverse movement: to endorse and stimulate ignorance. Hayek - one of the fathers of neoliberalism (literally, the New Liberalism; the Return of the Liberals) - put the year of 1870 as the beginning of the end of Liberalism. This decline is happening until today, as we can observe by the imbecilization of the Western society.

Indeed, this is one of the most fascinating aspects of 19th Century History: from the uterus of liberalism, radicalism was born. The debate between liberalism and radicalism is what's essentially happening today in the West. It's as if the Western peoples simply forgot what happened between 1848 and 1945. There's a reason for this: by the end of the 19th Century, it was socialism that won the debate; liberalism had to degenerate to the form nazifascism in order to interrupt the debate like the proverbial pigeon playing chess, and "reset" the game.

Posted by: vk | Oct 27 2020 0:04 utc | 185

willie #179

Good to hear you will take the plunge. Be warned - it will take the smile off your face and plant revolutionary zeal in your heart.

I read it when a young man after completing much of Bertrand Russel and the struggle to end the filthy war against the beautiful people of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

That one book cemented my path to overthrow private finance capitalism with every breath I take.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 27 2020 0:15 utc | 186

@snake | Oct 26 2020 9:06 utc | 109
gm | Oct 26 2020 19:29 utc | 153

BTW, I recall most Ursolic acid was imported from China. It is widely available in China for...I have forgotten its uses there.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 27 2020 0:17 utc | 187

@184 gm

I've seen it on CNN. Started with riots and protests against police brutality and evolved from there into wider protests.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 27 2020 0:18 utc | 188

Re: gm | Oct 27 2020 0:00 utc | 184

Found a couple of curious very short recent pieces from the British press, which characterize riots as BLM/police brutality protests, not food riots. I don't know...

Posted by: gm | Oct 27 2020 0:25 utc | 190

karlof1 #182

Thank you for that excellent description - VAMPIRES -yes and they keep reincarnating their vile offspring like Musk, Biden J and H, Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, Queen Elizabeth, Macron and on and on.

The revolutionary spirit for freedom prevails though and we are immensely privileged by the example of those outside of the West that keep the path and show the way.

I agree they must be demolished and stripped of their wealth and power.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 27 2020 0:32 utc | 191

@chu teh | Oct 27 2020 0:17 utc | 188

For some reason Wikipedia links to Ursolic and betulinic acid entries I gave above in comment/reply #153 are hinky for some reason, and give 'can't find that' returns for me.

However when I reenter Wikipedia query for ursolic acid it pops up OK and says that the natural compound is present and has been isolated from many plant sources, including:

"Ursolic acid is present in many plants, such as Mirabilis jalapa,[2] as well as in many fruits and herbs used in daily life (e.g. apples, basil, bilberries, cranberries, elder flower, peppermint, rosemary, lavender, oregano, thyme, hawthorn, and prunes). Apple peels contain large quantities of ursolic acid and related compounds.[3]"

Posted by: gm | Oct 27 2020 0:54 utc | 192

uncle tungsten @192--

Thanks for your reply! It doesn't surprise me that vk jumped to the defense of Feudalism trying to say it had died when it was in the throes of resurgence. It doesn't take much thought to see how Rentiers and Vampires are one and the same, although the associated folklore doesn't match very closely. But when looked at literally--living off the labor of others--it's a parasitical relationship as one is fed by the other. Hudson could easily have substituted Vampire for Parasite in his metaphor for Neoliberalism and its Junk Economics. I think I'll employ the metaphor and write a scary Halloween story for my VK Space. It's easy to imagine Trump, Obama, both Clintons, Biden, Pelosi, and so many other current and past politicos as vampires and walking dead only far more sophisticated in their methods, like the Count or Barnabas Collins.

Thanks again for your replies!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 27 2020 1:01 utc | 193

I liked Don Bacon's anecdotes from his travels on ambulation and the elderly, @175. Husband and self entered the USA at Morehead City N.C. in our small yacht, and spent 6months travelling down the inland waterway from N.Y., exiting from the Florida keys. We lived on a very tight budget (still do) and no insurance, and had to bus or walk to go anywhere. No problem- we had time, but where are the footpaths? The footpath is a wonderful public asset, obviously underrated and unappreciated by the counties/states through which we travelled. Other countries prioritise the footpath.
And thanks to Circe for the Borat comments.
Sacha Baron Cohen has played the smartarsed Jew for too long. He's an offensive piece of work, just like the ideology he agenderizes. Once again, Trump has said something a lot of us have wanted to see in print. So thanks for that. I anticipate that "anti-Semite" is what the corporate media would really like to lay on Trump should he be re-elected. Because, with the exception of Rupert Murdoch, they are Zionist, as you know Circe.

Posted by: Australian lady | Oct 27 2020 2:07 utc | 194

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 27 2020 1:01 utc | 194


What are you talking about? Rent is an essential part of capitalism. Without rent, land doesn't circulate, which means it doesn't become a commodity. How do you think your local ice cream shop becomes a Starbucks? Magic?

Feudalism is all about immobility of land. It was precisely when the feudal lords begun to rent their lands (many of them for very long contracts, like 100 years) that capitalism gave to them the rope with which they hanged themselves.

The analogy of the vampire was also used by Marx, when he designated fixed capital. Capital, in order to expand, must first preserve what it already conquered, which requires living labor (to put the machines to work). The machine then becomes alive by absorbing the vital energy of the worker. Capitalism is thus a vampiric system.

When I said the liberals used the feudal scare to denigrate the rise of socialism, I mean that literally: the most brilliant minds of liberalism of the mid-19th Century literally compared the emerging unions to the medieval guilds. They literally associated socialism with the return of feudalism. They did that, not me. They were wrong, of course, but they did it.

Posted by: vk | Oct 27 2020 2:41 utc | 195

Caixin has an interesting editorial:

Editorial: To Build China Into a Microchip Powerhouse, Pop the Policy Bubble

Looks like local governments in China enjoy so much independence from the Central Government that they are creating a "duplicated effort" effect in the semiconductor sector, wasting many resources as a result. Those "entrepreneur governments" are a very different picture of the byzantine picture the West likes to paint China.

Either way, the process is ongoing, and it looks like its panning out:

Chinese chipmaker SMIC makes breakthrough in '7nm-like process'

Semiconductor Tech Trends Favor China in the Long Term

Posted by: vk | Oct 27 2020 3:20 utc | 196

@ karlof1 #182
. But in your question, the "they" isn't the public at all. That "they" are those vestiges of Feudal power who want to keep that power for as long as possible-

I was quite clear saying who "they" is (the inside benefactors).....
". . .the problems are so institutionalized in your "Outlaw USA" with its hand-picked enemies that nobody could ever change it even from the inside. . .Why would they change such a financial wonder?"

So we (the public) can shout and stamp our feet, but they (the insiders) won't change and there's no way to make them.
In 2002 I was naive, thinking that protesting and marching might have an influence. I initiated the Smedley Butler Society and a big banner and I was going to have an influence on the upcoming war on Iraq. . . .hah!. . . Before one fruitless march I did run into one young man who was a believer. Just standing there in front of me in the street, he quoted word-for-word, perfectly, one of General Butler's well-known remarks:

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

So protesting did have its highlights, but otherwise was a complete waste of time.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 27 2020 3:44 utc | 197

@ dh | Oct 26 2020 20:40 utc | 159 - you might be right, lol! thanks...

@ uncle tungsten.. thanks again... i have so many books on the go, but your note encourages me to follow thru on this..

Posted by: james | Oct 27 2020 3:51 utc | 198

And the US shit show continues......

Less than 6 weeks after Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death, her replacement has been railroaded in and seated.....The US has the best government money and hypocritical religions can think that I was taught that America was a secular country....

The US is setting new records in daily Covid-19 infections and the number of early voters.....are they related? Yes, I think they might be but no predictions because this world is too crazy.

I agree with karlof1 that Taiwan seems to be the growing confrontation about US selling weapon systems to Taiwan and a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson said on Monday that "China has decided to impose sanctions on relevant U.S. enterprises involved in the latest arms sales to Taiwan as well as individuals and entities playing a "vile role" in the process, as "necessary steps" to protect its national interests." My question is how will the US (s)election outcome change the trajectory of this situation, if at all?

The US MSM seems to have been successful in stuffing the Hunter Biden story but then I don't have a TV...aren't there suppose to be more video releases???...others observations? Any more October surprises?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 27 2020 6:05 utc | 199

Apologies to anyone offended for linking to the Hunter Biden laptop dump. But here is some background info for those interested in what seems to be essentially a Bannon directed effort against the CCP and Dems..

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 27 2020 6:29 utc | 200

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