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October 18, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-83

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

  • October 13 - Professor Chossudovsky Is Wrong - Here Is How PCR Tests Work
    Related:
    Last week there was an outbreak of Covid-19 in Qingdao, a harbor city of 11 million in south China. Two dock workers had fallen ill. A CT scan room used for the Covid-19 patients was not properly disinfected and another 14 people got the virus. Alarmed about the outbreak the authorities tested all people in Qingdao. Within 5 days 10.8 million RT-PCR tests were taken and processed. Chossudovsky and others claim that these tests often produce 'false positive' results. So how many 'false positives' did they find in Qingdao?
    Qingdao finishes city-wide testing, finds no new COVID-19 cases - Global Times
    None. Zero. Nada. RT-PCR tests DO NOT produce false positive results.

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Other issues:

Covid-19 politics:

Rather than viewing the Chinese government’s reaction as a sign of its love of a lockdown, I now think of it as emblematic of the bureaucratic élan that underlies much of China’s rise over the past few decades, from the largely successful economic policies that went counter to the shock treatment advocated by many Western experts to its rolling out a national highway and high-speed rail network—public engineering feats that Western countries used to accomplish quickly but that now drag on for years or decades.

Covid Europe:

  • This was Europe five days ago. Denmark, Germany and Austria had little incidence. But the cultural levees sprang leaks and the yellow countries are now also turning red.

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Election:

Use as open thread ...

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Thanks for another full week b. I am mostly only able to keep up with reading because of other commitments and appreciate your coverage and other commenters additions.

The last link above provided you you says it all for me

The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

The civilization war the West is in with China is about that very issue and I hope China is successful in bringing down the global anti-humanistic God of Mammon cult of finance .

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 18 2020 14:36 utc | 1

Thanks for another full week b. I am mostly only able to keep up with reading because of other commitments and appreciate your coverage and other commenters additions.

The last link above provided you you says it all for me

The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

The civilization war the West is in with China is about that very issue and I hope China is successful in bringing down the global anti-humanistic God of Mammon cult of finance .

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 18 2020 14:36 utc | 2

Week-end pick.

Audio. Guns and Butter. 2020. Interview of Charlotte Dennet, re. her book “The crash of flight 3804”, about pipeline politics. A bit all over the place, and some of the content aren’t flash news, but it treats selected episodes from before WW1. +++ listening for while driving, cleaning, cooking.

https://soundcloud.com/guns-and-butter-1/follow-the-pipelines-the-deadly-politics-of-the-great-game-for-oil-charlotte-dennett-424

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Video. Murder in the Alps. This is for the unsolved crimes fans - understanding isolated incidents sheds light on Intl. politics. The Al-Hilli killings, BBC panorama (not great, gives some basics, not overtly deceptive.) 2019.

https://tinyurl.com/y4nulpmb

Craig Murray has two long threads about it. This one has more than 22K comments (compare with the Julian Assange threads… sad …)

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/

Was in 2012. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annecy_shootings

Haven’t figured it out, therefore I return to it from time to time. It happened in a place I know well.

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US election. Counterpunch has a short article which is not awful, “Who elected Donald Trump” by R. Urie, which argues that all the claptrap about ‘racism’ -idpol- should be contested. It is a popular (imho scabby) site so maybe that means something?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/who-elected-donald-trump/

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 18 2020 14:38 utc | 3

That COVID map is very wrong regarding the UK, check the UK map.

Posted by: TJ | Oct 18 2020 15:17 utc | 5

That is a very border-aware virus. The virus has been politicized to such a degree that political borders means everything to it.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 18 2020 15:29 utc | 6


I would like to respond to 'Andrei Martyanov | Oct 18 2020 4:11 utc | 96' from the last thread.

The information on the 'Composite Index of National Capability (CINC)' is very interesting. However, I did a quick search and found that the latest rankings available were from 2007. Is there an open source for more recent data?

I note that the 2007 CINC rankings seem to a large extent mirror the latest GDP(PPP) rankings. However, I would argue that even the measure of GDP(PPP) can be misleading.

I would estimate that in the U.S. a quarter of GDP is waste. For example Health Care, Military and Higher Education expenditures (as a proportion of GDP) in the U.S. are at least the double of other nations, yet the outcomes are, at best, no better. The U.S. also has high costs for Financial Services, which result from the need to transfer money from those who have it to those who need it. This is a cost related to a defect in the U.S. economy, i.e. excessive income disparity, that adds no real value to the economy. Likewise the high costs of policing, incarceration, etc. are in no small part related to this same defect.

The nature of the U.S. economy, a 'service economy' also inflates U.S. GDP. Many services, such as food service, home care, etc., are captured in the U.S. as GDP, while in other economies are simply done at home and don't show up in the GDP figures.

I would argue that to get a true measure of the economic power, one should remove services and consider only 'Goods Production' at PPP. By this measure the U.S. is not able to satisfy even its own needs, running a trade deficit in goods of the order of 20% of internal consumption. Russia and China, on the other hand, both produce substantially more than they consume internally. And, judging by the poverty levels and the degradation of infrastructure, consumption of goods in the U.S., is no higher.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 18 2020 15:33 utc | 7

About that covid map, I wouldn't exactly say things have been rosy in Austria. Vienna metropolis has been quite a hotspot of infections for weeks, it's just that as long as it doesn't spread much farther, the map of the whole country will look nice, even if 1/4 of the population lives in a petri dish.
That said, there's definitely a major seasonal effect, and cases have been rising massively in Italy since October began, after having been steadily low, just like in Germany, and even German cases are rising, though not as fast as in France or Lombardy.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Oct 18 2020 15:43 utc | 8

The way China deals with Covid-19 is really impressive! They did not only beat it in China but did also immediately start to help other countries. Kudos to China!

I recently read that the popularity of China internationally took a sharp decline in the last years. That seems to be somehow connected to Corona but I do not at all understand how. China should have become more popular due to it's handling of the Coronavirus epidemic, not less.

Does anybody have an explanation?

Posted by: m | Oct 18 2020 15:44 utc | 9

The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It

A must-read despite the fact that many moa readers will already be aware of most of the info provided.

I think we can debate what is primary: "international fascism" or "liberal democracy". If the former is primary then "liberal democracy" isn't "cover" but lip service.

How "free and fair" are the elections in the Western "liberal democracies"? Via controlled/manipulated media; false flag propaganda; virtually unlimited influence (in USA) via political contributions; blatant political manipulation (like 'sheepdog' Sanders); corporate lobbyists; and an increasing number of politicians with ties to the security state, the people have very little actual influence on policy-making and virtually no ability to hold anyone accountable if they have good connections in the political/security establishment.

I think that as early as the Kennedy assassination but definitely by the late 1980's/early 2000's "international fascism" became primary - along with neoconservatism (a new form of aristocracy) and neocolonialism (aka "Zionism"). This role switch was greatly aided/enhanced by the information tech revolution and media consolidation.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 18 2020 15:55 utc | 10

Reply to Noirette @3
I did try to read the Counterpunch article but could not get past Urie's word salad and run on sentences.

As for who elected Donald Trump? The Deep State. The perfect foil to redivide a nation that was coming to the conclusion that there was no left right... only rich and poor.

He was the perfect divider and tool to get 'things done'.
He can be blamed for every heinous policy and the 'left' could still look like the good guys.

They want Trump for another 4 years... else why would they fly a dementia candidate?

Posted by: linda Doucett | Oct 18 2020 15:59 utc | 11

"I recently read that the popularity of China internationally took a sharp decline in the last years. That seems to be somehow connected to Corona but I do not at all understand how. China should have become more popular due to it's handling of the Coronavirus epidemic, not less.

Does anybody have an explanation?

Posted by: m | Oct 18 2020 15:44 utc | 9"

It's bullshit, does not need to be explained because it is propaganda. Lot's of projection too, it's not China whose international rep. is in precipitous decline.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 18 2020 16:01 utc | 12

From what I understand the issue with the PCR is the number of cycles or doublings. Anything under 20 to 25 cycles yields useful info. According to Johns Hopkins the PCR is being used up to 40 to 45 cycles, this gets into the tens of billions and becomes statistically irrelevant according to the inventor.

Posted by: jef | Oct 18 2020 16:05 utc | 13

One Trump == the quantity of hate for Hillary Clinton that caused people to vote for Donald Trump.

Trump himself did not generate a Trump of hate before his election, but in the last four years he has moved ahead of Hillary and now generates several Trumps worth of hatred. Meanwhile Hillary has been standing still.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 18 2020 16:06 utc | 14

Surprised Mr B didnt sneak a comment on this intriguing development:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-16/boeing-max-declared-safe-to-fly-by-europe-s-aviation-regulator

Did the FAA ask a favour from EU regulators to give their approval first, in an attempt to repair its tarnished reputation along with Boeing's?

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 18 2020 16:38 utc | 15

Pretty interesting 22 min long YT (Sky News Australia interview of Steve Bannon) from last night, on the unfolding Hunter Biden water-damaged laptop(s) story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zhWHsfEa0U

Also: details per Larry C Johnson on how the laptop repair shop owner handled the 'liquid-damaged' laptops after making repairs, reported/turned over to FBI what he found on them,

and then what the FBI did/didn't do about it:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-homeland-committee-demands-answers-fbi-over-hunter-biden-laptop

Posted by: gm | Oct 18 2020 16:43 utc | 16

The IMF is wrong (again): China will not grow 1.9% this year.

It will grow 2.5%:

China's GDP to grow 2.5% for 2020, driven by consumption

Now you must be questioning: why would I trust Chinese official data?

My answer to this is: you haven't been trusting Chinese data since at least the early 1990s. How long do you pretend to be living this lie?

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Japan dumping nuclear waste water into ocean sparks global outrage

It must be soo good to live in a First World country: dump radioactive waste in the ocean, killing whales, building oil pipelines through Indian Reserves, building coal plants whenever I see fit... I can do whatever the fuck I want!

But God forbid if some African nation tries to build a hydroelectric power-plant! That would be the environmental apocalypse.

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Hong Kong cannot afford to say ‘I don’t mind’ to being overtaken by Shenzhen, President Xi’s ‘miracle’ city

What happened to the boldness of the pro-HK gang? What happened to that blind faith on capitalism? Withered away?

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The Center-Left: even when they win, they lose:

Jacinda Ardern considers coalition despite New Zealand election landslide

If I could decide the motto for the social-democrats, I would choose this one: Born to Lose. That's what they are: losers.

Or they're the most sophisticated Trojan Horse ever invented.

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Recommended read for the weekend:

Anti-intellectualism kills

I've already talked a lot about the process of imbecilization here, so I won't delve deeper.

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@ Posted by: m | Oct 18 2020 15:44 utc | 9

That poll was made only with the 14 most rich countries. Of course the First World is pissed on China, as it is eating up their market shares.

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@ Posted by: jef | Oct 18 2020 16:05 utc | 13

I think your read it wrong: the more cycles, the more precise is the PCR test. The less cycles, the less precise is the PCR test. Please send us the link so we can read it.

Posted by: vk | Oct 18 2020 17:01 utc | 17

thanks b.... thanks also for the additional links here....

i see the covidiots have arrived... i guess off g sent them over... if you bozos want one topic only - covid - covered.. go hang at off g.. thanks...

Posted by: james | Oct 18 2020 17:05 utc | 18

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 18 2020 14:38 utc | 3

Re Urie article on who elected Trump:

I thought it was pretty good, you can tell he's been paying attention. Thanks for posting or I would not have read it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 18 2020 17:13 utc | 19

Just had lunch with the wife’s son who tested positive three weeks ago. He is fine. It is also the second time he has tested positive.

Perhaps they have different tests in Qingdao.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 18 2020 17:42 utc | 20

Bolivian election today. The CounterPunch article on international fascism reminds that Bolivia became a repository for redeployed Nazis in the 1960s/70s. The coup government represented this Nazi past - installed and supported by US and OAS, thus remaining a contemporary story as well.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 18 2020 18:22 utc | 21

@15, "Et Tu":
> Did the FAA ask a favour from EU regulators to give their approval first, in an attempt to repair its tarnished reputation along with Boeing's?

The reasoning in the Bloomberg article makes no sense. If the new sensor/software-solution/whatever by 2022 is an absolute requirement, why is it ok to fly now?

It sounds like 'extend and pretend' to allow Boeing to move their current lot of planes and pray it doesn't blow up in their face within the next 2 years. Hoping most of them aren't flying during that time due to COVID anyways.

Posted by: Arakawa | Oct 18 2020 18:56 utc | 22

Noirette @Oct18 14:38 #3

Links to "Who elected Donald Trump" at Counterpunch.

Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter has declared that USA is "not a functional democracy". Many others agree. Princeton University researchers found that USA is a plutocracy. Others (like myself) see the heavy hand of the Deep State/National Security State as I outlined @Oct18 15:55 #10.

Yet good people like Noirette are still taken in by the Empire snake charmers who lead people to believe that YOUR VOTE COUNTS! and that a Deep State that is in bed with cruel dictators and absolute monarchs and that regime-changes governments that they don't like would NEVER EVER manipulate US elections - even though the Presidency is the lynch pin of the Empire.

Looking to the electorate for answers of "who elected" a recent US President is a fools errand. Unless one's intention is to mislead and cover for what really happened.

What really happened? The Deep State selected Trump to meet the challenge from Russia and China. MAGA nationalism was Kissinger's prescription for doing that and Trump was the only MAGA nationalist and the only right-wing populist in the 2016 race. Hillary facilitated Trump's election by making mistakes that no seasoned campaigner would make (like alienating key voting groups). Trump brought close friends and associates of his supposed establishment enemies ("enemies" who were among the group that selected/elected him) into his Administration: VP Pence was McCain's buddy; AG Wm Barr is a Bush guy and close to Robert Mueller, who in turn had mentored Comey; CIA Director Gina Haspel is John Brennan's gal; and so on.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 18 2020 19:04 utc | 23

I’d be very interested to hear views as to, —— the influence on the US election from Israel lobby groups ? Will they place an each way bet ? If not who’s side is Israel supporting.
Which ever side that may be. That side will win.
Take that to the bank.
I live in the U.K. say no more.😉

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 18 2020 19:15 utc | 24

Re article: The Logic of Sino-Western Détente - Project Syndicate

Not sure I'd take anything Chatham House (White Man's Burden Inc), and ex-Goldman Sachs bigwig James O'Neil says, seriously. He's got a link to a pro-Navalny/ anti-Putin meme at the top of his Detente article, thinks China is authoritarian, didn't notice that the OTHER COVID success stories are also in Asian countries, and hopes Trump loses to Creepy Joe.

The logic of his article boils down to "Let's not shoot ourselves in both anti-China feet - yet."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 18 2020 19:26 utc | 25

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 18 2020 19:15 utc | 24

Everybody who mouths the required dogmas gets some money. People who criticize Israel directly get no money and funding for their rivals, including recruiting such rivals if necessary. Since most of the big money comes from only a few donors, the big money races (President, once in a while some lesser being) tend to revolve around catering to those few donors and their wishes. The money goes mostly for advertising, "expenses", and "consulting fees", so it is very much a racket too. The media feed the spectacle, which pays them spectacularly in return.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 18 2020 19:32 utc | 26

Excess mortality source: https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

England and Wales +4% (outliers +10%, -16%, but mostly 3% or 4% in last month)
France about 3% for last 6 months - no trend
Spain - close to zero for June July, 15-20% August and September
Austria - in the range 0-10% for 6 months - no trend
Czech - in the range 0-8% for 6 months - no trend
Poland - steady up trend all year from -6% January to +6% September

There were peaks for a few weeks in April and May for many European countries but levels fell steeply in June.

Clearly there is still an effect from Covid19 that causes deaths at a rate slightly above normal.

Posted by: Deltaeus | Oct 18 2020 19:32 utc | 27

I wish it were just propaganda but I´m not sure. According to the PEW Research Center unfavorable views of China reach historic highs in many countries If it`s really true, can anybody explain it to me?

Posted by: m | Oct 18 2020 19:36 utc | 28

" So how many 'false positives' did they find in Qingdao?
Qingdao finishes city-wide testing, finds no new COVID-19 cases - Global Times
None. Zero. Nada. RT-PCR tests DO NOT produce false positive results."

You are citing material that makes no mention of false positive data in a very dramatic manner. "Implied but mentioned" does not qualify as data or evidence. Do better.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 18 2020 19:39 utc | 29

@ Posted by: jef | Oct 18 2020 16:05 utc | 13

I think your read it wrong: the more cycles, the more precise is the PCR test. The less cycles, the less precise is the PCR test. Please send us the link so we can read it.

Posted by: vk | Oct 18 2020 17:01 utc | 17

Jef is correct. There are numerous sources confirming this including the test's creator and industry experts. Google it.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 18 2020 19:48 utc | 30

Deltaeus @ 27

Real question is what excess deaths are really from covid and what are from added stress (not to mention ruined economy), mental breakdowns during quarantine, lack of proper medical care due to resources unavailable cause of virus etc.

Posted by: Abe | Oct 18 2020 19:51 utc | 31

m,
It seems to me it is the unrelenting negative propaganda.

eg; Wuhan flu, Uyghurs in concentration camps, can't believe anything they say, they copy and steal every idea from the west and on and on.
Some of my friends say things like "you can't trust anything China says".
Canada's prime minister says he will stand up to China shortly after the new head of the opposition party says that he will stand up to China.

Seems it is endless and add that to people who don't want to think but let the TV think for them.
Just my thoughts on the subject.

Posted by: arby | Oct 18 2020 20:01 utc | 32

m, arby

The combination of Russia and China is the Empire's worst nightmare.

Yet people are surprised that the Empire is doing more than simply trying to get a better trade deal from China.

Just shows how effective the propaganda is on a dumbed-down populace of sheeple.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 18 2020 20:14 utc | 33

@ m | Oct 18 2020 19:36 utc | 28... propaganda... ever heard of it and how it works??? how about this for starters.... it's the china virus.... how is that for xenophobic sabre rattling?? now can you cut with these stupid questions on every thread?? probably not, lol.

Posted by: james | Oct 18 2020 20:15 utc | 34

Thanks Bemildred @ 26
Yes that’s it, and we just know the more we dig down, the less democratic it all is.
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Arby @ 32 yes what you observe is widespread and concerted !
And yet I read both points above as positives !
We are witnessing desperation on behalf of the evil powers that rule over us.
Long live the good Americans and good people world wide.
We will win.
Expect us !!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 18 2020 20:17 utc | 35

The map is certainly interesting and it may be useful to some, but I find its usefulness very limited in practical terms. That is, for me as an individual citizen, trying to make informed decisions regarding where to go and what to do. I checked the numbers for my home county for comparison. They are, well, how shall I put it... laughable, actually? Yes, I know, numbers have been rising everywhere, and predictably so. Yes, I know, the numbers for my place will rise even more with winter coming. And yes, there will be more "Covid related" deaths, unfortunately. But not on a scale that will warrant anything more drastic from my governments. Measures such as closing all restaurants between 11 pm and 5 am, or prohibiting cross-county movement. We've learned how to keep our distance when we're out, we're wearing masks in public transport and supermarkets, we know which symptoms to look for in ourselves and others. That will have to do. Everything else is Kismet, from an individual's point of view. Unfortunately, with Covid-19 we've had to hand our governments a complete new hammer. You all know what that means. Everything will look like a nail to them now. As far as universal mandatory measures are concerned, no more of those. What's already in place is enough to get 99% of us through the cold season (referring to Germany). Don't mistake a politician's herd behavior and ass-covering for a sane approach. They spent the first two months of the approaching pandemic dumbstruck, like deer in the headlight. Now, it more and more looks like they've turned towards the other extreme.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 18 2020 20:17 utc | 36

Arc of instability on Russia’s periphery

more on the russia-turkey dynamic, and within the larger context of the russia-usa dynamic from M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

Posted by: james | Oct 18 2020 20:37 utc | 37

Politicizing Xinjiang won’t help stamp out extremism in the West

The same French who are protesting right now in Paris "in defense of freedom of speech" will protest against the CCP the next day for the freedom of the Uighur terrorists in the reeducation camps of Xinjiang.

Posted by: vk | Oct 18 2020 20:51 utc | 38

m @9

......the popularity of China internationally took a sharp decline in the last years.

Sharp decline according to whom? If Pew's survey results had seen a sharp increase instead, you might have never seen that result published :).

But this kind of PR game is really quite immaterial. It may influence some feeble minds, but reading commenters here I sense that among the well informed China's efforts and accomplishments have been well recognized and appreciated. Besides, China was not advocating and executing global cooperation to win popularity contests. China is doing what it sincerely believes is the right thing to do.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 18 2020 20:51 utc | 39

@b
There are ways to reduce the impact of false positives - including running a 2nd test for positives. To say RT-PCR tests don't produce false positives is inconsistent with numerous published studies including: 0 to 16.7% false positive rates in RT-PCR tests

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 18 2020 21:03 utc | 40

@ Posted by: c1ue | Oct 18 2020 21:03 utc | 40

That's why any government that knows what it's doing will project a model to compensate for the false positives (and negatives). If you know the rate of error, you can easily compensate for that on a macroeconomic scale.

Posted by: vk | Oct 18 2020 21:07 utc | 41

I listened to the recent Sam Harris interview of Nina Schick and wondered if Schick’s book is unjustifiably making Russia the whipping boy for our media’s shortcomings.

Posted by: Bob Moore | Oct 18 2020 21:12 utc | 42

Entertaining and very funny article by Pepe Escobar about the US pres. Election —

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/10/15/potus-punk-vs-dem-dementia/

Posted by: norecovery | Oct 18 2020 22:22 utc | 43

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 18 2020 14:36 utc | 2 -- "The civilization war the West is in with China is about that very issue and I hope China is successful in bringing down the global anti-humanistic God of Mammon cult of finance ."

Thanks, psychohistorian, for your principled stand, which I gleaned from your other posts, for Public Finance against Private Finance. For the love of money is the root of all evil.

To me, it is not about China bringing down any other civilisation, but about China resisting Private Finance's war against Public Finance.

Just as China prospered despite resisting 70 years of American abuse ( first military, then economic, now hybrid warfare ), so China will go on prospering the next 70 years, more so, now that an entire population of 1 billion has tasted the first-fruits of modernisation.

Putin politely said that America is a great nation, but please leave us ( Russians ) alone.

I say the world does not want to be American. We just want to prosper in our own patch of sunshine.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 18 2020 22:43 utc | 44

The Hunter Biden email leaks will backfire. If there is one thing that the 2016 election taught us, it is that the voters do not feel like they are being manipulated before casting their votes. Swing voters will now get the impression that they are being manipulated by the outlets close to the republicans. Less than one month, Hunter Biden email leaks come out and some "invisible force" dictates that you should vote for Trump because Biden is corrupt. A good portion of swing voters will do the opposite, just like they did the opposite in 2016 when Trump's "grab them by the p*ssy" tape was leaked by NYT.

Posted by: Innocent Civilian | Oct 18 2020 22:49 utc | 45

@ m 9 & 14:

You do realize we're in a Cold War.   Propaganda will be swirling around in the media for decades to come.   I'd be careful about polls these days and you don't need to be a Statistician to understand.


Jackrabbit | Oct 18 2020 15:05 utc | 4:

Let's see if any more fireworks go off later this week.


Mark2 | Oct 18 2020 19:15 utc | 24:

The Israeli lobbies support both parties. If the standing ovation that Netanyahu got several years ago from Congress is any indication, it doesn't matter anymore who's in the Oval Office.

Posted by: Ian2 | Oct 18 2020 22:49 utc | 46

JR @33

" simply trying to get a better trade deal from China."

I have a good friend that thinks exactly that. ))

Posted by: arby | Oct 18 2020 22:52 utc | 47

@ Bob Moore | Oct 18 2020 21:12 utc | 42... what is the low down on this sam harris podcast dude?? i have a few younger friends that listen to this guy and take him seriously... any thoughts? thanks..

Posted by: james | Oct 18 2020 23:00 utc | 48

Regarding the Pew China views survey that has puzzled two of us here I would say - not surprised. First, it needs to be said that the Pew Research Centre is reputable and considered reliable. That should be the starting point regarding this survey. BUT, given how propaganda works certain reservations are in order.

The 14 countries where the survey was conducted are all tied to the US, both in Europe and in Asia. Judging by the main media in the Netherlands, for example, nothing of substance and nothing positive is publicised about China. Ignorance about China, just as about Russia, in the general population in rich European countries (EU and others) is - 0 (zero). The decades-long anti-communist propaganda has shaped a general public a priori averse to anything that mentions China and Russia. No conversation is possible, it ends before it starts. In the surveyed countries China is portrayed in the public domino, in particular in the political discourse, as a threat, at best, and as an enemy, albeit not yet directly openly so labeled. The manipulation in the surveyed European countries with the Covid-19 pandemic re China has been successful because it just continues the same pattern of belittling Chinese actions, if and when they are at all considered. Even in this blog, in the latest Covid-91 discussion China was not mentioned among the countries which have successfully contained the pandemic, until one of the participants added it, thankfully, because facts matter.
I don't know how many people are at all conscious of the fact that most Europeans, in particular the younger generations, have become people with a very closed mind, more Europocentric instead of less, more intolerant instead of less, more racist, more fanatical, definitely more ignorant of the world which they travel over for good food, shopping, partying, and sun, nothing else. I'm a European and I think we have become, on average, an uninteresting bunch of selfish, materialistic, conceited automatons stumbling through a haze of delusions of grandeur while the world we all share is on the brink of every kind of disaster thanks to a great extent to the way we have become (or maybe always have been, more or less). China is the last thing the public in the surveyed European countries is capable of appreciating, because it isn't ready or willing to even consider the possibility that there is anything in China (and Russia) that is good and that we can learn from. There is no critical mind in Europe any more, no soul, it's a continent of conformists, ignoramuses and desperate poor people who are getting poorer by the day. China is different; it's vibrant, ambitious, its speaks a language unheard of in tired Europe - a language of social benefit and common good, of putting people first, of an equitable, cooperative and prosperous world for all. And it is successful, it is optimistic, it is holding out its hand to all who want it. That is why the anti-Chinese propaganda is becoming shriller by the day fitting comfortably with the inbred prejudices and hatred towards everything that is not 'made in US-EU'. The Pew survey just recorded that.

Posted by: JB | Oct 18 2020 23:01 utc | 49

Another one bites the dust, hay. hay...

Influencer Dmitriy Stuzhuk Dead Of Coronavirus After Telling Followers It Wasn't Real

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 18 2020 23:02 utc | 50

here is a link to nina schicks website... https://ninaschick.org/ she definitely looks like she is the type to be on the nsa-cia 5 eyes payroll...

Posted by: james | Oct 18 2020 23:04 utc | 51

The Global Times article on Qingdao that B cites states that Qingdao city authorities used nucleic acid testing. There is nothing in the article that implies that Qingdao uses the specific PCR test (invented by Kary Mullis back in the 1990s to test for the presence of HIV in suspect patients) that is used in other nations.

There are several different methods of nucleic acid amplification and the RT-PCR method is just one.

In addition as Jef @ 13 states and David G Horsman @ 30 confirms, the issue is not whether the tests return positive or negative results, the issue is whether the testing is being done in such a way that results are being misinterpreted (whether deliberately or not, that is another important issue). There have been reports that government authorities are amplifying PCR cycles over 35 times, at which level "over-amplification" is occurring and the results are returning a lot of "noise" in the form of irrelevant or dead viral material. At some point in over-amplifying the cycles, the sample being analysed by PCR testing is going to show that the patient has just about every single virion in the world in his/her genetic inheritance.

The Global Times article quoted is not at all useful in defending the argument that RT-PCR testing shows no false positives, because the argument itself is based on a flawed understanding of how the test works and how the results it yields are being used.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 18 2020 23:04 utc | 52

IMO, the star of the week goes to Sergei Lavrov and his honest appraisals at the Valdai Club which were swiftly followed at the presser with the Italian FM and then capped by his interview with major Russian radio media, all of which I linked to as they occurred but generated little discussion until Andrei Martyanov appeared and made some relevant comments. Oh, and I mustn't omit Paco's great contribution of the lyrics to the songwriter Lavrov cited in his radio interview, whose message at the end is roughly equivalent to what Lavrov told the Germans and EU:

I can understand you guys.
It's hard to love us
But before you climb under our skirt -
You should know something:

We may disappoint you ...
Russia is a woman with big cock ..!
So it's better for you
Do not take off your pants in front of us ...

And I should remind barflies that the change in atmosphere was signaled when Lavrov met on 5 Oct with members of the Association of European Businesses in Russia, which I also linked to at the time and asked if anyone had seen the new film The Wall:

"which came to a rather sad conclusion: the Berlin Wall was never destroyed; it simply became virtual and moved to the East very close to the Russian border, despite all the promises and assurances."

It was the signal to Russia's closest friends in the EU, businesspeople, that Russia was finished being kicked around and accused of everything under the sun without any shreds of evidence to prove the great numbers of assertions, many of which are grossly outright lies. Paco gave us a hint about its content and I posted links to the broadcaster's website for those knowing Russian to watch. Aside from Paco, apparently no other barfly watched.

With so little discussion of these very important revelations, I ask myself if my efforts in posting such material are worthwhile. Zakharova's an excellent spokesperson and puts out an excellent weekly recap; so, I'll retire from my efforts and cede them to b and others. All the trolls can now rejoice, particularly those disguised as barflies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:12 utc | 53

James at 34.
I think you are right. I got caught by a troll. "m"

There has already been an uptick in incidences where Chinese people have been attacked.
The machine has gently moved the target to Chinese from Muslims.

Posted by: arby | Oct 18 2020 23:21 utc | 54

kiwiklown @44--

In this recent podcast, Hudson avidly talks about banking as a Public Utility and the way things are done in China that markedly differ from those within those nations captured by Neoliberalism beginning at the 25 minute mark. Chinese are excellent students and they've learned a great deal about what not to do if you want a healthy economy with zero people in poverty. Until the West's Central Banks are similarly turned into public utilities, the West will continue to lose versus the East, which is as is should be--the Immoral Bloc led by the Outlaw US Empire needs to die so the Moral Bloc can grow and prosper. The only way out for an Immoral Bloc member is to become Moral--pretty simple, huh!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:27 utc | 55

@ Jen | Oct 18 2020 23:04 utc | 52... why do you think b holds to the position he does?? i noticed your comments on the off g thread as well... cheers..

@ arby | Oct 18 2020 23:21 utc | 54.. arby - that is a good way to describe it in your last line... thanks.. sinophobia is definitely on the rise in canada and the usa..

Posted by: james | Oct 18 2020 23:36 utc | 56

karlof1@53

please continue to post links, i'm sure i am no different than many others. i read, re-read them, that i do not comment in no way is b/c i am indifferent or unaffected bt rather that i am sharing them with others, trying to get the word out & thinking deeply about what i've just read. what you do is important, please, continue.

Posted by: emersonreturn | Oct 18 2020 23:49 utc | 57

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:12 utc | 53

Thanks for your efforts. These are important links.

Posted by: Passer by | Oct 18 2020 23:57 utc | 58

@karlof1 #53 re: effort

Yes, certainly worth it. However, I have very tiny slices of free time...far too little to watch someone speak at me in a YouTube video. I greatly prefer to read, and, sadly, have less and less time for that also. Your condensates are valued!

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 19 2020 0:02 utc | 59

@ karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:12 utc | 53... karlof1 most everyone appreciates your links, but you seem to suffer from some type of low self esteem where you need periodic reassurance of how people appreciate what you share.. on the last open link your link of the lavrov interview was the first thing i shared and i acknowledged you in it as well.. regarding the video or movie 'the wall' that lavrov mentioned and which paco also linked to - i never saw one which was translated into english.. you said you had asked some at the saker if they could put up a version with english subtitles.. did that happen? if so, i didn't see it.. regards...

Posted by: james | Oct 19 2020 0:06 utc | 61

correction.. it was on the previous post 'more pressure on russia will have no effect where i mentioned your link @1..

Posted by: james | Oct 19 2020 0:09 utc | 62

Posted by: vk | Oct 18 2020 17:01 utc | 17

The Center-Left: even when they win, they lose:

Jacinda Ardern considers coalition despite New Zealand election landslide

If I could decide the motto for the social-democrats, I would choose this one: Born to Lose. That's what they are: losers.

Or they're the most sophisticated Trojan Horse ever invented.

I don't think your "scientific socialism" mindset will get it right concerning NZ. Or are you saying that the deep seated tendency of leftists to indulge in infighting will inevitably lead to the Arden government's demise? A good thing about the result is Labour can keep the Greens at a distance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXvZf7TmT3k

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 19 2020 0:10 utc | 63

Comrade VK can you show some love for Comrade Jacinda? We (the majority) love Jacinda!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9rsxFaq6Ig&feature=emb_logo

Posted by: tucenz | Oct 19 2020 0:18 utc | 64

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:12 utc | 53

"I'll retire from my efforts and cede them to b and others. All the trolls can now rejoice, "

Please, don't. I don't have the background to legitimately take up everybody's time here with commenting on your many appreciated and timely posts, but I do value your work, your contributions, from which I always learn.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 19 2020 0:29 utc | 65

Mark2 @24

The neocons are almost without exception endorsing Biden, which I find a little odd because Trump seems much more likely to start a war with Iran. My guess is that Trump's allegedly being easy on Putin gets under their skin even more, although Nordstream 2 sanctions have been passed and Trump did not veto, although that would have been moot given veto-proof vote majorities.

I said "almost without exception" because Sheldon Adelson just committed $75M to assist Trump.

Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 19 2020 0:34 utc | 66

Jackrabbit @ 23

That is an interesting take but Trump's discourse in the primaries caused him to be selected by an large irate group of Republican party members, not the Hierarchy. The Hierarchy would rather have settled for Romney or Bush but the rank and file would have nothing of it.

They had no choice but to back Trump. Even McCain had to grovel at Trumps feet for his backing against a tough Senate primary opponent. Had Trump backed her she would have won. Trump came under enormous pressure to back McCain. McCain's purpose in life after victory was to frustrate Trump even in death.

MAGA was a well thought out plan by some group in the shadows and I still think the Mossad was the one of the chief backers. Trumps connection with the New York banker broker set gave him clear and easy access and come to think of it they have been pretty quiet about him over these four years.

The 2016 email release and the Comey hearing where everyone thought he was going to indict Clinton just before the election was possibly some sort of blackmail operation on Comey with the Weiner laptop thrown in. He came right up the the edge in his discourse and the backed down at the last minute.

Now we have the 2020 emails and another laptop but this time the photos and the information that is being release to do a limited hang out of the political corruption that runs our politicians. I would not be surprised if Hunter Biden is pushed out of a 10 story window in a convenient suicide in the next week. There is that much at stake.

Clearly this stuff is artfully being projected upon the non party affiliated voters with hope of giving Trump another term. there is some shadowy group involved that works inside the "Deep State" that is not the "Deep State". The Mossad and the Banker Broker elites could be fingered as well. The three letter agency hierarchy opposes him and that is very obvious. The built in bureaucracy hates him, the media controllers despise him as does Hollyweird. Add in the Tech barons as well. Clearly this is a struggle.

Bannon has come out as the forward air controller of this current email operation. All in all there is something sinister going on, as usual. With a large turnout I do not think the Trumper will win. If Biden wins, China is back in but Russia is still public enemy number one.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 19 2020 0:36 utc | 67

Karlof1 @ 53:

Rest assured, your comments and links are valuable but we barflies do not always have the time or energy to read them all when they are at their most relevant. Quite often by the time I get to read and digest the Russian President's closing speeches at the annual Valdai Club meetings, at least one week has passed.

I do not expect everyone to read my comments or the articles I link to. If people comment on my comments, I regard that as a privilege and a compliment that people are taking notice of what I say. You don't want to risk sounding peevish that not everyone here might have seen the Russian Foreign Minister's speech and interviews. I usually find Vladimir Putin's closing speeches at the Valdai Club forums more significant.

On top of that, stacks of comments come to the MoA blog every day and the "Recent Comments" listing only directs me to the post where the comment I click on appears, but not to the actual comment that I click on, so I still have to use the drop-down menu at the right-hand corner of my screen to find the comment made by the commenter. If I only have the commenter's name to go by and the commenter has made a lot of comments on one page, finding the relevant comment can take a fair amount of time and effort.


James @ 56: Cheers to you too!

Well I can't tell you what I think or B would have to kill us both. :-)

Posted by: Jen | Oct 19 2020 0:48 utc | 68

karlof1 @Oct18 23:12 #53

I find your links and commentary valuable and I appreciate the time you spend (have spent!) doing that.

I just don't comment about it unless there's some part of what you write that I feel needs clarification or that I find some disagreement with.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 19 2020 1:00 utc | 69

@ jen... live dangerously, lol...

Posted by: james | Oct 19 2020 1:15 utc | 70

@53 karlof1

I want to say also that I have appreciated your contributions for several years now. I have especially liked your discussions of Michael Hudson's works and blog posts, and if I'm not mistaken, I was introduced to Pepe Escobar through you once upon a time. In any event I have learned much from you. I have not really participated in the discussions here however except with one or two posts of my own, up until the last few days. Perhaps it would be a good idea for me and others to start being more active, if you and others feel there is too little stimulating debate (a sentiment I can understand, as I've also noticed waning activity over the years).

Posted by: Eric | Oct 19 2020 1:18 utc | 71

I should add that like Jackrabbit describes, I think part of the problem is that many find themselves in agreement with most of what you write (which can be a curse of its own!).

Posted by: Eric | Oct 19 2020 1:20 utc | 72

@ karlof1 with the Hudson/Bloomberg link...thanks.

I did take the time yesterday evening to listen to it and have sent the link on to others. Hudson hits all the right notes of the sad song of our times but his debt jubilee proscription seems as unlikely as my ending of private finance. I like my solution better because it eliminates the underlying problem with private finance controlled society and China has provided 70 years of example of the social efficacy of having core finance be a public utility.

To kiwiklown who wrote that my bringing down global private finance sounded like it included aggression on China's part.....not true. Many of us here have written for years about the need for a non-Might-Makes-Right end to empire. It is the only sane way to defuse a civilization that used Might-Makes_right as standard operating procedures. This empire needs to die of its own internal inconsistencies, which it seems to be doing......sure wish it would hurry up.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 19 2020 1:59 utc | 73

circumspect @Oct19 0:36 #67

1) You're relying too much on what you've been told by the media.

2) You haven't given due consideration to Trump's kayfabe skills.

3) You haven't considered the larger scope. We KNOW that the 2016 Presidential election was manipulated. Not by Russians but by Americans:

  • FACT: Sanders was a sheepdog who wouldn't attack Hillary ("Enough with your damn emails!");

  • FACT: Hillary colluded with DNC against Sanders (She didn't need to! It likely that she did it just to piss off progressives when she later gave Debra Wasserman-Shultz a top position in her campaign).

  • FACT: Trump made Manafort his campaign manager despite Manafort's not having recent experience in US politics. Manafort was working in Ukraine for many years to elect candidates for pro-Russian parties - something which drew the ire of the CIA.
  • FACT: The DNC email "hack" was really a leak. The Deep State wanted us to believe that it was the Russians but it wasn't.
  • FACT: After he was elected, Trump announced that he wouldn't investigate the Clintons, saying "they've been through enough." "Law and Order Trump" who vowed to "drain the swamp" and has a notorious ego and is known to keep grudges would not allow an investigation of Hillary and the Trump Foundation.

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... Trump's discourse in the primaries caused him to be selected by an large irate group of Republican party members, not the Hierarchy. The Hierarchy would rather have settled for Romney or Bush but the rank and file would have nothing of it.

The reaction to Trump in the Primaries was amazing to watch. There wasn't any. None of the other candidates changed course in a way that could effectively take on Trump. Many of them were deferential to Trump(!).

Now if Bush was the "shoe-in" candidate then why didn't one of these 17 other candidates position themselves to block Trump to ingratiate themselves with Bush and nick a cabinet seat in the process?

It's rare to see such a public display of bollocks.

Trump was the ONLY populist and the ONLY MAGA candidate.

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They had no choice but to back Trump.

That's only true after Trump had the votes to win the Primary.

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Even McCain had to grovel at Trumps feet for his backing against a tough Senate primary opponent.

Only one poll (May 2016) showed a close race. In every other poll, before and after, McCain had a comfortable lead.

And the "groveling" is more likely to be the other way around. Trump picked McCain's buddy Mike Pence to be his VP and Trump joined a virtual who's who of Republicans that supported McCain, including: GWBush, Newt Gringrich, John Bolton, Reince Priebus, Mitt Romney, and Paul Ryan.

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Had Trump backed her she would have won....

Maybe. But IMO Trump's backing was never in doubt.

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McCain's purpose in life after victory was to frustrate Trump even in death.

And yet Trump has done virtually everything that McCain would've wanted him to.

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MAGA was a well thought out plan by some group in the shadows and I still think the Mossad was the one of the chief backers.

That is a misdirection. Kissinger called for a re-energized America based on past glories in his WSJ Op-Ed of August 2014. That is essentially MAGA. Trump entered the Presidential race 10 months later as the ONLY MAGA candidate - and the ONLY populist on the right.

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The three letter agency hierarchy opposes him and that is very obvious. The built in bureaucracy hates him, the media controllers despise him as does Hollyweird. Add in the Tech barons as well. Clearly this is a struggle.

We are led to believe that "The Deep State" is a group of Democratic Party/Hillary/Obama loyalists. This is absurd. Sorry, it's just kayfabe.

Trump nominated Gina Haspel as CIA Director. She was publicly supported by John Brennan.

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If Biden wins, China is back in but Russia is still public enemy number one.

Nah. If Biden wins, nothing changes. But Trump is the Deep State favorite.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 19 2020 2:01 utc | 74

@ karlof1 53
With so little discussion of these very important revelations . . .so, I'll retire from my efforts
You should reconsider. I don't know the numbers but lots of people, conditioned by reading newspapers I suppose, just read what is written and move on, thankful (hopefully) for the information and the facts. They have nothing to say which is why blog-users are commonly called 'readers.'
As for myself, as others have indicated with their views, I've been blogging for over a decade on many fora and I am driven to inform readers with facts, not to bore them with my opinions or to initiate discussions. What's to discuss?
That's the principal power of blogs, getting facts and not fake news. Not everything needs a discussion, when the facts are in plain view and obvious as presented to readers.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 19 2020 2:21 utc | 75

Posted by: JB | Oct 18 2020 23:01 utc | 49 -- "The Pew survey just recorded that."

Great observation, and well-explained. Thanks much.

"China is different; it's vibrant, ambitious, its speaks a language unheard of in tired Europe - a language of social benefit and common good, of putting people first, of an equitable, cooperative and prosperous world for all. And it is successful, it is optimistic, it is holding out its hand to all who want it."

Your words comport with truth, but because the West despises China and all things Chinese, they will never accept the Chinese proposition of shared prosperity. I know, I know... the West buys Chinese, right down to their polyester underwear, but racism has several faces.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 19 2020 3:17 utc | 76

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:12 utc | 53 -- "I'll retire from my efforts and cede them to b and others. All the trolls can now rejoice, particularly those disguised as barflies."

Your links are always appreciated as teaching moments, despite what the trolls pretend. I learn lots following them, remarking to myself how you find time to do so much to elucidate and educate. For example, this change in tone by Lavrov is earth-shaking in geo-strategic terms, but only those with an ear can hear, and so, thanks to you.

Please rest awhile, and please jump back in when you are refreshed.


Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 19 2020 3:34 utc | 77

Adding to @Oct19 2:01 #74

The rigged 2016 election is more easily seen by those who have noted the constant failures of the Democratic Party over the last 4 years. Not only do they fail to provide effective opposition, they shoot themselves in the foot at every major turn of events.

The Party moved left after 2016 ... only to nominate yet another Centrist in 2020. And the Party has backed multiple losing initiatives including: Russiagate (a farce with no "there" there); an extreme and wrong-headed "believe all victims!" opposition to the Kavanaugh nomination; and a laughable impeachment. And don't get me started on the Joe Biden's "No malarkey" throw-back nonsense and his taking the black vote for granted. "You're Not Black" if you're not a Biden supporter?

The parallels with the failed Hillary campaign are amazing. Hillary was also rumored to have a mental problem (recall her being carried into a van after the 2016 9-11 ceremony). Hillary also antagonized key voting groups. Hillary had a email problem while Biden has a Hunter problem.

And Hillary was also ahead in the polls ... before losing to Trump.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 19 2020 3:35 utc | 78

Lot of chinese worshipers here.

If only China does speak the language of shared prosperity in the South East Asian sea.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 19 2020 3:36 utc | 79

While Hunter Biden has quite obviously been on the take, the found laptop smells an awful lot like a setup IMO. Larry Johnson’s tale on SST, long on pathos and short on facts makes it seem even more so. What do you all make of this story?

Posted by: Roy G | Oct 19 2020 3:55 utc | 80

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 19 2020 3:35 utc | 78 -- "Hillary had a email problem while Biden has a Hunter problem."

Which gave me another chuckle today.

And of course, they both have a common problem: an absolute lack of honourable character.


Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 19 2020 4:10 utc | 81

Just as the left is secretly envious of the powerful and successful, so is the West secretly envious of the prosperity and cohesiveness of China

Posted by: Jezabeel | Oct 19 2020 4:16 utc | 82

Posted by: Smith | Oct 19 2020 3:36 utc | 79 -- "If only China does speak the language of shared prosperity in the South East Asian sea."

China does.

It is called OBOR, working with ASEAN nations to join her in win-win economic prosperity.

The West's pretends that their "freedom of navigation" trumps the East's freedom to eat !!!

And in the East's backyard, mind you. The rudeness of it all.

The last time someone messed around in America's backyard, there was much gnashing of teeth, thumping of desks, and raising of fists. Remember Cuba?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 19 2020 4:36 utc | 83

Sorry, karlof1, I wasn't able to watch "The Wall", did try but I have a very simplistic computer and I don't know Russian. (It wouldn't translate for me). I did very much appreciate your links and had my own take on the Lavrov interviews, not quite as much that positions were changing, but definitely a more sombre tone. I think Lavrov was feeling somewhat bitter that even his own country's reporters weren't cutting him any slack. That had to be discouraging.

Do take some time to rest and stay safe, and thanks so much for all you have contributed here. We just have to wait out some heightened tensions the next few weeks, and maybe the air will clear after that. Just know, many who don't post are helped by your links, as well as many of us here.

And for the most part, I don't get answers on my own efforts, but it is what it is. Sometimes even when we can't be brilliant, we are so motivated to try to help turn things around, and fail. I watched what happened in China for the Loess plateau on the PBS program, The Age of Nature. I like that one,but it did take them 25 years to accomplish a miracle. We are just getting started, and we need you for the long haul. Stay well, and b too!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 19 2020 4:43 utc | 84

@Innocent Civilian 45
This comments section attracts active and retired "intellectuals". I am proudly not a member of this class, proudly an equivalent of a US deplorable, who most gladly does not live in US.

Here is my appraisal of who is going to vote for who:
1) by far the dumbest, stupidest US people will vote for Biden,
2) the middle dumb, still stupid US people will vote for Trump, and
3) the smart US people will wisely stay at home.

I do not know if to laugh or cry at all this nutty partisan denial that Biden family is totally crooked. Your party affiliation is clouding your critical mind - for me the definition of intellect. Namely, having originated from one of the countries targeted for regime/government change and bombed by the DNC part of the Deep State, from contacts inside the new government, I know how catastrophically crooked the Clintons, the Bidens, the whole DNC clique and many of the US generals are. See, they do not destroy a weak country for US to benefit, they destroy a country for themselves to benefit. Firstly, they steal anything of value that remains in the country (e.g. the Ukrainian national gold, Libyan gold, Venezuelan gold etc) and then the new regime that they install pays them some type of royalty - to them personally through special arrangements, consulting fees, mineral exploitation rights etc. In short, they conquer weak countries just as if they were Ancient Roman emperors - for personal loot. Both parties of the empire destroy & loot weak foreign countries, but the Dems loot for the clan not for US people.

Posted by: Kiza | Oct 19 2020 4:54 utc | 85

@ kiwiklown

Nah, OBOR is primarily meant for China to head West, not East.

In the East, China is nine-dash-line, fuck everyone else. Hence the two-face of China.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 19 2020 4:56 utc | 86

Congrats to the MAS party for the landslide win in Bolivia..

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 19 2020 5:00 utc | 87

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:27 utc | 55 -- ".... Hudson avidly talks about banking as a Public Utility and the way things are done in China that markedly differ from those within those nations captured by Neoliberalism...."

China's management of monetary affairs is unique to its historical and cultural roots. But she might have taken early notes from Singapore's monetary ways. Both are unique blends of private and public finance, with the emphasis on state supremacy. Singapore had to create space for capitalists to create generational wealth while denying them space to buy up the political and judicial system. China is like that conceptually, but different tactically.


"....the Immoral Bloc led by the Outlaw US Empire needs to die so the Moral Bloc can grow and prosper. The only way out for an Immoral Bloc member is to become Moral--pretty simple, huh!"

For the love of money ( not money per se ) is the root of all evil. Love of money and immoral men go together. Love of money, and immoral nations too. Well, not entire nations, but the leadership thereof, who then deign to "speak" for entire nations. But how does an immoral man become moral? that is the question.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 19 2020 5:02 utc | 88

I just read a posting at ZH about a Revolver interview with Steve Bannon talking about the Biden October surprise....no link

From the sketchy detail available at this point, it looks like Trump is going for a two-fer, Biden and China. It looks like some Chinese companies with association with the CCP have paid "bribes" to the Biden family.

This is the pot calling the kettle black. Trump was wanting a cut on the potential TikTok deal and has his own association with bribery, no? Is there a country that does not have any bribery, sanctioned or not?
That said, I suspect this October surprise will sway quite a number of voters, IMO.

Another aspect of this that had another posting at ZH is the suppression of the Biden story by Facebook. Come to find out from the quotes below
"
The person currently in charge of Facebook’s election integrity program is Anna Makanju. That name probably doesn’t mean a lot to you, but it should mean a lot – and in a comforting way -- to Joe Biden.
"
"
Makanju also worked at the Atlantic Council. The following is the relevant part of Makanju’s professional bio from her page at the Atlantic Council (emphasis mine):

Anna Makanju is a nonresident senior fellow with the Transatlantic Security Initiative. She is a public policy and legal expert working at Facebook, where she leads efforts to ensure election integrity on the platform. Previously, she was the special policy adviser for Europe and Eurasia to former US Vice President Joe Biden, senior policy adviser to Ambassador Samantha Power at the United States Mission to the United Nations, director for Russia at the National Security Council, and the chief of staff for European and NATO Policy in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. She has also taught at the Woodrow Wilson School at Princeton University and worked as a consultant to a leading company focused on space technologies.
"

What a shit show.

What is next?

How will they smear China with the Biden corruption? Projection and lies ad nauseum I suspect.

What will happen after the US (s)election is over?......less than 3 weeks....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 19 2020 5:09 utc | 89

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 19 2020 1:59 utc | 73 -- "To kiwiklown who wrote that my bringing down global private finance sounded like it included aggression on China's part.....not true."

I agree that with you that China need not do violence, nor will it. You do not interfere when your oppressor is busy flushing himself down the toilet bowl. Non-violence, or as you call it, non-Might, makes room for higher moral standing, and the East is huge on the Virtuous Man, the Honourable Man, the Confucian Man.

"This empire needs to die of its own internal inconsistencies, which it seems to be doing......sure wish it would hurry up...."

Agreeing with you, psychohistorian, but likely not in our lifetimes. I am with you in noting for the record all these interesting times that we are living through so that ( there is always a 'so that' ) a future generation will find these words, and know that they are on the right track to rebuild human civilisation in a glorious new format, keeping money-lenders and bankers and lawyers on a tight leash.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 19 2020 5:13 utc | 90

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:12 utc | 53 With so little discussion of these very important revelations, I ask myself if my efforts in posting such material are worthwhile.

Keep in mind that while a lot of what you post if of interest to many people here, a lot of them may feel they already know where Putin and Lavrov are coming from and thus don't feel the need to hang on their every word or continually reiterate their agreement. That's certainly my attitude with regard to Russia.

I find your comments generally interesting and informative. I may or may not agree with any specific point, but in comparison to the Covidiots and right-wing trolls here, your commentary is far more appreciated. And based on the responses from the other barflies above, much more appreciated than mine is. LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 19 2020 5:17 utc | 91

@Smith | Oct 19 2020 4:56 utc | 86

Nah, OBOR is primarily meant for China to head West, not East.

That is absurd when used negatively. To remind you, east of China is the sea.

Btw. OBOR is integrating South East Asia, check the new high speed railway line from southern China to Vientiane in Laos and from Nong Khai on the Thai side of the Mae Khong down to Bangkok and the deep water ports south east of Bangkok.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 19 2020 5:18 utc | 92

Posted by: Smith | Oct 19 2020 4:56 utc | 86 -- "Nah, OBOR is primarily meant for China to head West, not East."

I talk about prosperity; sharing in the creation of wealth by ASEAN nations.

You are talking navigation, sailing, headings eastwards, headings westwards.

We are on different pages. Goodbye.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 19 2020 5:23 utc | 93

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 19 2020 5:09 utc | 89

You gotta love this stuff. These are exactly the kind of people that I once planned to simply execute. Anyone who doubts that Facebook, Google, Twitter and the rest are simply (not-so-covert) agentcies of the government are simply deluded. All these outfits need to be hacked, exposed, disrupted, replaced by open-source P2P encrypted alternatives, and the people in charge shot in the head.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 19 2020 5:24 utc | 94

@ kiwiklown

That was quick, there can be prosperity until sovereignty is defined, after all, prosperity for who?

@ Norwegian

And it is the sea that I am primarily talking about here since half of ASEAN is the sea that China claims the majority of.

OBOR is not meant to fix that, but ignoring that altogether.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 19 2020 5:31 utc | 95

Posted by: vk | Oct 18 2020 17:01 utc | 17

If I could decide the motto for the social-democrats, I would choose this one: Born to Lose.

I wish I didn’t have to, but I agree with your assessment.

I take this opportunity to remind you, today is the hundredth anniversary of John Reed’s passing. Which brings me not only to the Kremlin wall but to Pancho Villa, one of my heroes, maybe because he is my namesake on its basque variant.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 19 2020 5:36 utc | 96

Looks like Bolivia will be a headache next tuesday for wunderkind Musk. To celebrate one could listen to Carlos Puebla and his laughter at the OAS.
In any case I doubt the barflies are Tesla stock holders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGenPyGRV1s

Posted by: Paco | Oct 19 2020 6:02 utc | 97

The results of the poll in South Korea don`t seem to differ much from those in Europe.


Israel supports Trump, fully. However, most Jews in the USA are staunchly anti-Trump. The NeoCons, too, had a Schism, with some of them being in the Trump camp while most others are anti-Trump.

Posted by: m | Oct 19 2020 6:05 utc | 98

Posted by: emersonreturn | Oct 18 2020 23:49 utc | 57

karlof1@53

please continue to post links, […]

ditto that. I don’t have that much time compared to you (Karlof1) to read through all this, but there is regularly something that catches my interest.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 18 2020 23:27 utc | 55

In this recent podcast, Hudson avidly talks about banking as a Public Utility and the way things are done in China

It is a pity there is no transcript for this one as Mr Hudson has for most of his other audio/video appearances. I have no patience for listening to all these podcasts etc.

Posted by: phiw13 | Oct 19 2020 6:25 utc | 99

@karlof1
I'd just like to add my own affirmation that your contribution to this blog is appreciated, and I hope you continue to post and link here.

Posted by: Fnord13 | Oct 19 2020 6:50 utc | 100

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