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October 11, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-81

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Other issues:



The virus disrupts the cellular signaling system that alarms our immune defenses in very sophisticated ways. The immune defense is delayed but thereby often more intense than is good for our bodies. How does it do that? The first link, from April, already touched on this. The next two are new research.

Saudi Madness:

Class war:

Use as open thread ...

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Posted by: _K_C_ | Oct 12 2020 10:31 utc | 104

You cannot wear a mask with COPD. A lot of breathing is psychological, feelings of getting no breath can cause or reenact trauma.

If you don't feel any problems good for you. But don't assume everyone is the same.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2020 10:58 utc | 101

somebody #106

So the Ford Foundation funds Black Lives Matter who supply the pretext for a police state. And the lockdown is a pretext for a War Economy. And wearing a cloth over your face psychological dehumanizing preparing you to accept it.

Thank you somebody so is this currently valid?

All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.
George Orwell

Seems to me this applies equally to Trump as it does to the next President - Karma Harris

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 12 2020 11:12 utc | 102

Lucci | Oct 12 2020 8:54 utc | 100:

They are still in shock; haven't gone past the denial stage. I'm looking forward to see what both China and Russia will do once the UN sanctions expire in 6 days.

Posted by: Ian2 | Oct 12 2020 11:14 utc | 103

I see the virus salesmen are back, at this rate they’ll be printing virus sales leaflets !
Easy plan euthanasia and the like.
Curtesy of Israeli funded lobby groups.
If the virus could speak it would sound like russ.
Demented and obsessed.
I fear for MOA I have seen how they’ve destroyed several other good organisations.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 12 2020 11:20 utc | 104

Psychohistorian @ 91:

There are three types of UV radiation based on their wavelengths: UVA, UVB and UVC.

Most of UVB and nearly all of UVC are absorbed by the ozone layer so most UV radiation that reaches the Earth is UVA.

UVC (shortest wavelength and highest energy) at a wavelength of 254 nanometres can kill SARS-COV-2 viruses.

Significantly the CSIRO experiment did not expose the virus to UV radiation and does not appear to have put the virus onto porous surfaces such as clothing material, paper or cardboard. The virus lasts for less than a day on fabric.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 12 2020 11:21 utc | 105

Debsisdead @75

instead of seeing his messaging as what it is, an exploitation of amerikans' marketing indoctrination by a master marketer, from a man too selfish to be trusted in any conspiracy.

Ha Ha Ha Yes Trump is a master marketer. Not so difficult when it is like being the one eyed man in the land of the blind. As for being "too selfish" that is part of what trump is marketing. That's his trademark. It is a trait that appeals to lots of Americans - enough to get him elected (probably twice).

As for not being trusted, if he could not be trusted he would not get anywhere near the White House.

You are correct that trump's act is not part of some grand 'deep state' conspiracy. They didn't invent the Trump act and then go out and hire someone to play the part. In order to become president trump first had to sell his shtick to the donor class as the new and improved way to run the country. It looks like they bought it. And it seems very likely to me that they will renew his contract for another 4 years

Posted by: jinn | Oct 12 2020 11:27 utc | 106

Psychohistorian @ 91:

Sorry in that comment @ 111, I meant to say that the CSIRO researchers conducting the experiment did not appear to have put samples of the SARS-CoV-2 virus on porous surfaces such as clothing, paper or cardboard.

Interestingly the researchers found that proteins and fats in body fluids can increase the longevity of the virus. This might help to explain why obese people are at risk for moderate to severe COVID-19 symptoms.

One must wonder whether the CSIRO's partnership with the Australian Ministry of Defence in carrying out the research might have helped determine the kinds of questions asked and hypotheses developed in the design of the experiment.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 12 2020 11:29 utc | 107

@psychohistorian | Oct 12 2020 6:44 utc | 93

I wrote in a comment last Tuesday that I thought Trump would be dead in week and it looks like I am going to be wrong about that.

Indeed you were wrong, and you were immediately told you were wrong. Everyone with a bit of sense left knew it right away to be a completely nonsensical and just plain crazy idea. The whole thing was a made up scam in reaction to a much bigger and much more criminal scam.

You were also asked what you would learn if you were found to be wrong. Now you are saying this:

All I know is that the financial rape of the world that is going on behind the shit show circus medical rape of the West will result in much more suffering than the virus.....not a positive thought, but reality.

This is true, it is a medical rape that has no relation to any virus.

Next question: Who is behind the reality of the shit show circus causing much more suffering than the virus?

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2020 11:58 utc | 108

Chris Hedges - self-proclaimed pacifist and Christian - still covering up NATO war crimes after almost three decades. I guess you never really recover from being a fromer chief propagandist for The CIA Times (thank you to whoever invented the term).

Posted by: v | Oct 12 2020 12:09 utc | 109

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 12 2020 11:12 utc | 108

from June 2020

European Foundation Center: EFC members respond to the murder of George Floyd and subsequent Black Lives Matter protests

Below are some of the statements and information from EFC members on the murder of Mr. Floyd, the wider Black Lives Matter movement and the need for racial justice and equality.

Open Society Foundations pledge $220 Million in investment in racial justice – Open Society Foundations (13 July)

The Doc Society publish the steps they will be taking to increase their support of anti-racism work – The Doc Society (6 July)

Rockefeller Brothers Fund Increases Spending to Seize ‘Hinge Moment in History’ – Rockefeller Brothers Fund (29 June)

Extraordinary Times, Extraordinary Measures – Ford issues $1Bn bond – Ford Foundation (11 June)

The fight for equality at the center of the George Floyd case – Ford Foundation (9 June)

Black Lives Matter – Charles Stewart Mott Foundation (5 June)

Ford Foundation launches $50 million global fellowship programme to identify and develop the next generation of social justice leaders working to advance solutions to inequality – Ford Foundation (5 June)

A Hinge Moment in History – Rockefeller Brothers Fund (4 June)

George Floyd and America’s Long History of Racial Injustice – Ford Foundation (2 June)

Open Society Statement on the Death of George Floyd and the Right to Protest – Open Society Foundations (1 June)

Philanthropy, Privilege, and Racial Justice – MacArthur Foundation (28 May)

I found out about it because there were big Black Lives Matter demonstrations in Germany, too. All peaceful, by well educated, well spoken Germans of all kinds of backgrounds. Astroturfed crowd not naturally grown.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2020 12:17 utc | 110

KC @104

Not quite clear if that was 800 foot climbing one direction and then a descent of same on the return, or if the total elevation change up and down was 800 feet. If the former then you walked the dog up and down a 24% grade. If the latter a 12% grade. Walking on 12% grades is quite strenuous. 24% grades are not walked at all, they are climbed. A 24% grade that continued for a full kilometer would be very rare. Either way the described dog walk simply did not occur. Entirely a keyboard fantasy. Only those who had never done such a thing would describe it as you have.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 12 2020 12:34 utc | 111

@112. Extremely pleased to see your comment. Given that your overall track record of comments here can be shown to be 100% emotional drivel, not to mention wrong in every sense of the words meaning, almost every time you post. The law of opposites in action. I would say earthly representation, but that would just go to your head and encourage your nonsense.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 12 2020 13:39 utc | 112

Sorry that should be @110

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 12 2020 13:40 utc | 113

ah Russel Brand! he'd dropped off my radar, but a very good observer of politics actually.

Posted by: ptb | Oct 12 2020 14:01 utc | 114

donkeytale @Oct12 4:01 #84

LOL! You didn't answer the question: What would you have us do?

It appears that you want us to STFU and salute the flag.

Two deep states and two empires interconnected through a real conspiracy of global multinational corporate capitalists against us.

Yes, we've been through this before: you deny the Cold War with Russia and China.

Or correct me if you are out on the streets shooting fascist thugs.

I shoot at their supremacist ideology: neoconservativism (a form of aristocracy); neoliberal (a form of fascism); and zionism (a form of colonialism).


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 14:11 utc | 115

karlof1 @Oct12 6:45 #94

China backs neither Trump or Biden. It backs itself while siding with Russia. They act together against their shared foe--The Outlaw US Empire's Duopoly and its backers.

I agree. But Escobar seems to think otherwise.

And Escobar's also cheering Lanxin Xiang's denunciation of China's "capitalism with Chinese characteristics" as an unsustainable melding of a Bolshevism and Confucianism.

Virtually every governance system will have internal contradictions. I could argue that it is more stark in the West - it is simply papered over with enormous propaganda.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 14:19 utc | 116

A few contributions to the lockdown vs let-the-virus-run-free debate:


This “herd immunity” strategy is not part of a legitimate scientific debate. It has been rejected by key scientific leaders in the US, UK, Germany, and World Health Organization. Proponents of “herd immunity” haven’t tried to address even basic questions about the strategy, such as how many households would need to be locked down or how many people would still get sick from endemic COVID-19 once herd immunity was achieved.

The proposal is not evidence-based and does not reflect even a minority view in the scientific community. Rather, it appears to be the product of an organized, well-funded political campaign in the US and UK. The UK campaign has been described elsewhere. In the US, the campaign appears to be largely coordinated by two right-wing think tanks — the Hoover Institution and the American Institute for Economic Research — in coordination with the Trump administration. Key elements of this campaign have included:

The “herd immunity strategy” isn’t part of a scientific debate about COVID-19. It’s a well-funded political campaign.


However, after some acknowledgement of the impact the pandemic has had on the poor and vulnerable in the United States, the piece makes a sharp detour into a defense of herd immunity, the very same strategy supported by Scott Atlas, President Donald Trump’s most favored adviser at the moment—and roundly criticized by experts around the country, including more than 100 of Atlas’s own colleagues at Stanford. Fast forward to this week, where one of the Harvard professors in question, Martin Kulldorff, along with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford University and Sunetra Gupta from the University of Oxford, were in D.C. meeting with Scott Atlas and Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar to promote their new “focused protection” strategy in which “schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume.” In the words of Donald Trump, “America will again and soon be open for business,” across the board, if we follow the advice of these professors.

What has shocked and dismayed the vast majority of people working in public health and clinical medicine about this strategy is that it is heavy on the rationale for reopening or “liberating” states, cities, and towns and light on the “focused protection” part. Kulldorff, Bhattacharya, and Gupta are confident that we can sequester and protect the elderly and vulnerable from the virus, while the young and fit go about their business as usual and their getting infected is seen as their contribution to the building of herd immunity, presenting little risk to them.

Focused Protection, Herd Immunity, and Other Deadly Delusions


On 8 April, ECDC published its recommendations anyway, in line with an emerging scientific consensus. Although questions remained, “use of face masks in the community could be considered,” it said, “especially when visiting busy, closed spaces.” Tegnell still disagrees. “We have looked very carefully. The evidence is weak,” he told Science. “Countries that have masks are not doing the best right now. It is very dangerous to try to believe that masks are a silver bullet.”

Sweden’s approach to the coronavirus pandemic is out of step with much of the world. The government never ordered a “shutdown” and kept day care centers and primary schools open. While cities worldwide turned into ghost towns, Swedes could be seen chatting in cafés and working out at the gym. The contrast evoked both admiration and alarm in other countries, with journalists and experts debating whether the strategy was brilliant—or whether Tegnell, its main architect, had lost the plot.

‘It’s been so, so surreal.’ Critics of Sweden’s lax pandemic policies face fierce backlash

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 14:42 utc | 117

Jen's advocacy of cloth masks makes sense to me. Very early on I, a senior, looked up patterns online and made my own. I'm not a great seamstress, don't have a sewing machine, (more an embroiderer, me) but I was able to handstitch and use remnants and make one with ties and padding out of three layers of wornout undershirt material (from the old days before everything was nylon). I figured I would use old material from well washed but no longer worn clothing. It took me one day to make. So, I have worn that whenever in town shopping or outside visiting with neighbors and family. When not in use it sits on the sunny side windowsill for a day, and after repeated use goes in the washing machine. It's good to make your own, because that way you can fit it to your face as you go along and get it just right.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 12 2020 14:45 utc | 118

For those here interested in truth and reality regarding the virus, here it is ——-
For the people spreading misinformation or trolling - shame on you.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 12 2020 14:56 utc | 119

James, your phrasing @ 48 - "...the jobs aren't coming back..." got me thinking that yes, having given away so much of the basic infrastructure and intellectual comity the US is back at square one while others have forged ahead. This country put all its money on money, and that is turning out to be a dicey bet. (Sorry, couldn't resist that.) Still, that we can remedy by getting back into what we still have, and that's the good earth. It's what Russia did to pull itself up by its bootstraps when the west started lowering the boom. I remember the long discussions at some of those big forums back when things were looking dire. A lot of it was about agriculture.

We certainly need to get away from farming as Monsanto tried to get it done, and go back to the old ways with smaller farms in local areas, the way it used to be. And that presently is going to have to happen as we continue to cope with the virus, isolating communities as is naturally happening. It's about survival. So, when survival becomes the topic, farming will be what is needed. I'd like to see those riots be about that, and let folk believe what they want to believe :--

Farming matters!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 12 2020 15:01 utc | 120

It is funny how this virus has become politically partisan, no?

I did not now viruses have brains - go to Blue States for lockdown, keep away from Red States to boost the economy.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2020 15:02 utc | 121

Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 14:42 utc | 123

"the lockdown vs let-the-virus-run-free debate"

It's really funny how you Dominionists think you have any choice in the matter of the virus completing its natural cycle now that it's been at large in the global environment for at least a year now and perhaps much longer.

It's not up to your corrupt, incompetent, wicked institutions to "let" or "not let" the virus run its course. I'm afraid Gaia will insist.

The same goes for the consequences of all your other ecocidal assaults - you began them, the Earth will finish them.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 12 2020 15:13 utc | 122

Bemildred @Oct12 14:42 #123

Thank you for the links.

I've been saying that the libertarian anti-lockdown/anti-mask mob was astro-turfed for quite a while now. All one needed to do was note how conveniently-timed and selective was their outrage.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 15:18 utc | 123

Alistair Crooke has been producing a lot of articles lately:

Distrust is spreading today faster than the Coronavirus.

Russia is de-coupling from Europe, because it no longer trusts Europe. A huge shift. Seventy-five years after the end of WW2, German militarism and nationalism is stirring — and its élites are once again targeting Russia: “Berlin is ending the era launched by Gorbachev of a trusting and friendly relationship with Moscow. Russia, for its part, no longer expects anything from Germany, and therefore does not feel obliged to take into account its opinion or interests”, says the respected Moscow-based Carnegie bureau chief, Dmitri Trenin.

Russia is observing that Europe is in the process of constructing a western anti-Russian platform. The era that begun in the wake of the fall of the Berlin Wall seems to be expiring. Yet, is this shift not a reflection of Europe’s own insecurities and social distrust, more than of some ‘threat’ that is emanating from Russia?

The Barbarians Are Threatening Us!

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 15:27 utc | 124

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 15:18 utc | 129

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 15:31 utc | 125

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 15:18 utc | 129

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 15:31 utc | 126

Sorry, mouse wandered off and I hit return, voila! empty posts.

@JackRabbit: Very welcome.

I'd say very few have behaved well in this; being open-minded and kind is way more important than being sure everybody knows you're right. But yeah, it's kind of obvious some posters are much more emotionally involved in the question than others, and some do seem to treat it almost like a job.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 15:39 utc | 127

Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 15:18 utc | 129

That's some extreme projection there. Where in all of history has there been a more direct and monumental astroturf than the globally coordinated terrorist propaganda campaign which uses the idea of "covid" as a pretext, complete with an entire "new normal" cultural, (anti-)social, religious framework complete with rituals all pre-fabricated and ready to be taken up by the abjectly conforming masses.

Posted by: Russ | Oct 12 2020 15:40 utc | 128

I'm having a lot of difficulty swallowing the meme that China is planning an imminent military assault on Taiwan. Taiwan is populated by ethnic Chinese and there is two-way trade and two-way travel between them. If the Chinese are as smart as they seem to be they'd have no trouble infiltrating Taiwan Society with thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of pro-Mainland activists to soften the Taiwanese up for a regime-change vote.

I COULD buy the concept of China mimicking Yankee South China Sea grandstanding in proximity to Taiwan, but only to provoke the Yankees and their lapdogs into a military over-reaction tizzy - thereby making fools of themselves under the gaze of Taiwanese eye-witnesses.

There's no obvious or extreme advantage for either state to rush into formalising Taiwan-China unity.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 12 2020 15:47 utc | 129

Russ @Oct12 15:40 #134

Nobody is for lock-downs. They are a tool.

Nobody WANTS to wear a mask. They are a necessary evil - like the needle that delivers a vaccine.

It's the failure of governments to effectively fight the virus that cause the need for such measures to drag on. The real 'conspiracy' is not to make us wear "mussels" but to make us accept their failure to protect us.

PS Kudos on your image selection for the postings on your site.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 15:55 utc | 130

Debsisdead @75

instead of seeing his messaging as what it is, an exploitation of amerikans' marketing indoctrination by a master marketer, from a man too selfish to be trusted in any conspiracy.

You didn't invent the wheel and neither did Brand or b on Trump insight. There is no genius sarcasm neither in Brand nor genius mastery in Trump to decipher. It's just plain condescension towards anyone who's not stupid enough or willing to acknowledge their narcissism as some kind of divine gift.

First, anyone like Trump who owes foreign lenders $450 Million while on the end of the legal noose with hands tied standing over the trap door in the floor that justice controls can most certainly be trusted to deliver! His selfishness is of no concern to his handlers as long as it's useful to get the job done.

The genius masters of Trump found a unreality show loser in love with his image and the sound of his voice, whose mortgaged lavish lifestyle is dependent on their mercy, with a pathology for deception and direct frequency to the unwashed masses, who promotes ignorance (in other words glorifies it) to get mass following, and uses it like a dirty b💣mb to obliterate the truth, frustrate criticism and crush dissent.

You can spot bullshet this way: if it pretends like some multi-dimensional chess that you just don't get, with which you're condescended as too unenlightened to comprehend, then it's bullshet being spun into rocket science to diminish you, your justified anger and your lying eyes. And that's the superior insight that Brand pretends cause Trump is just a plain ol' scammer who merely has a few more years of experience in the racket and that suits his Zionist Wall Street masters, whom he also conveniently happens to agree with on many things, just fine. Trump is as embedded with Zionism as Michael Corleone with the Mob.


Thank you Jackrabbit @44!

Finally someone posted from a medical opinion that answered my questions on the combined Regeneron and Dexamethasone cure against Covid! Even b wouldn't touch the question and it was a good question no one had considered since I researched it and couldn't find answers.

Covid is so insidious, I suspected that the Regeneron especially with Dexamethasone, an immunity suppressant might prevent the body from achieving its own anti-bodies therefore might resurface or leave Trump exposed to it again. The reason his doctor refused to disclose the viral load is so experts could not make accurate deductions as to the severity of Trump's infection. Trump is all about concealing the truth, and extreme opaque governance. That's part of the reason why I can't stand him, aside from the fact that he's a conniver who screws with the Law cause he thinks he's the exception (or protected) and he's a narcissist; megalomaniac poser.

Jackrabbit, Trump had to have had Covid because he was given Dexamethasone and I could tell by his face that he was on it. I am very familiar with the side effects of corticosteroids as my late mother took them for pneumonia. No doctor would prescribe it unless absolutely necessary.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 12 2020 15:58 utc | 131

Re. Scott Ritter, “America on the cusp of civil war.”

Another take on the election.

My 7 predictions for how 2020 comes to an end

by D. Bobinski.

Calling Dems. Marxists is irritating, I don't agree with all, yet it brings up many of the relevant points.

The premise is that Trump will win in a landslide. (Imho Trump will win, the landslide idk..)

No civil war, or anything approaching it, will explode in the US.

As suggested in the link, some violence from Antifa-BLM-others may erupt. However, these ‘movements’ are organised and paid for, they are not grass-roots (though most who join are sincere) and so can’t realistically accomplish anything that the Masters don’t want.

One can attempt to color-revolutionize a sitting ‘dictator, fascist’, but one who has just been elected is a tougher call (particularly as efforts to unseat him previously have already failed!), as one needs to prove vote fraud/manipulation, and in this case destroy the political organisation of the country (electoral college..), which the Dem top-dogs are rightly afraid of, as in any chaotic situation, they lose.

Their best ‘bet’ or position is to adopt the mantle of the righteous, the moral, the brave, those on the right side against racism, mysoginists, etc. who were defeated by /insert epithets/ ... Bis Repetita!

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 12 2020 16:00 utc | 132

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 15:18 utc | 129

There are many pro-mask, anti-lockdown people, as well. I find the people who are either wholly against the all COVID protections or wholly for all of them generaly pathetic. It isn't an either or issue.

It is obvious that the virus has been and probably is relatively more contagious though the death rate is not more remarkable than the flu. Because it is highly contagious, it can infect more people and therefore kill more people.

Thus the wearing of masks and social distancing, as well as decent hygiene practices are logically useful. This however does not mean you have to lockdown economies.

Why? Because the vast majority of people getting the disease are not adversely affected by it, if at all. There are clear demographics that are at risk, the already unhealthy and the elderly. Over 90% of the deaths that have occured have been in these high risk demographics. Protecting these demographics should be the primary focus. Locking down economies is counterproductive, and most probably contributes to overall excess deaths.

Of course there is that political economic factor as well. The efforts of Big Pharma and Gates to undermine health care practices in order to gain time to produce a vaccine that they can massively profit from, plus certain governments efforts to funnel tax payer money into large transnationals to protect corpoate and financial institutions but not the major employers of people - small business is disgusting.

The NDP in Canada has suggested the government implement a wealth tax on those that have profitted most from the COVID 19 debacle. This would necessarily be redistributed to the poorer members of society who have lost jobs, and suffered most from the ongoing "pandemic".

That liberterians and even leftists have propagandized against government actions to allegedly reduce the virus' effects (of course, sometimes they are right), does not negate the fact that most of the PR spouted by our media and governments is intended to advance the corporate agenda.

Just think, now the virus can "stay alive" on bank notes for 28 days (at below 40 degrees in the dark). Ergo, society must become cashless and only use smooth glass cell phones or plastic credit cards for transactions because, needless to say, the virus can't survive so long on smooth surfaces like glass or plastic. OOPs! wasn't it last spring, that they were telling us the virus survived on paper a few hours but on plastic and glass 4-7 days. The COVID fear PR is still being shoved down are throats.

Some links are up at 101 above.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 12 2020 16:00 utc | 133

As a citizen in the crumbling seat of empire, it's interesting to see how polls reflect a complete lack of trust in the USA's 'institutions' yet folks won't go outside of said 'institutions' to form an opinion. Nobody trusts Congress, but those critters are reelected 90% of the time. Nobody trusts corporate media yet folks are remarkably compliant in parroting whatever narrative said media spins.

And I don't how they did it, but Trump's case of Covid, miracle cure, and now immunity from the virus to go out and play? He's an at risk guy who gets diagnosed, gets sick, gets cured in a long weekend, and is able to say, 'see folks, nothing to see here, let's get back to normal, etc." in contrast with the Dems whose only platform is to follow the experts at the institutions people don't trust. Are Trump's doctors out of central casting or real? And if real are they compromised. Have they all signed non-disclosures so Trump is free to create his own narrative. Or, is Trump The One.

Talk about hoax. Trump's curious case of Covid wreaks of it.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 12 2020 16:07 utc | 134

Agent Smith displays his degree in Dotardness. I've been researching and writing about Russia's and China's Strategic Partnership for 4+ years and their combined actions for the past 20, sharing and documenting much of that here at MoA; so, I don't feel compelled to repeat myself when faced with evidence-free bullshit.

Speaking of China, here's a report directly related to the beginning of the 3rd Annual Digital China Summit. Teaser:

"Speaking at the opening ceremony of the third Digital China Summit in Fuzhou, East China's Fujian Province, Zhuang Rongwen, director of the Cyberspace Administration of China, said that China has continued to make breakthroughs in digital innovations, claiming the largest share of global 5G standard-essential patent filings and topping the global rankings for artificial intelligence (AI) related patent applications.

"China has maintained its lead in the total number of supercomputers ranked among the 500 most powerful globally, and developed world-leading indigenous innovations in fields such as quantum telecommunications.

"The added value of China's digital economy hit 35.8 trillion yuan ($5.3 trillion) in 2019, an increase of 15.6 percent year-on-year, and its contribution to GDP growth reached 67.7 percent, official data showed. The economy expanded by 6.1 percent in 2019.

"New types of businesses including smart manufacturing, industrial internet, e-commerce and the sharing economy are booming, driving high-quality development, Zhuang said."

China will continue to aggressively expand its highspeed rail network, an asset the Outlaw US Empire can only dream about, and it's striving to incorporate AI into all phases of business, not just relegating its use to facial recognition security systems.

Trump's attempt to decouple from China has miserably failed as has his campaign promise to stop the offshoring of jobs as I reported about two weeks ago. 200K+ jobs while feeding those corporations over half a trillion dollars is the biggest if quietest Black Eye suffered by Trump--a failure his Coronavirus antics seem designed to paint over.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2020 16:10 utc | 135

Israel tacitly admits being a failed project. Eretz Israel will never happen and Jews are not the Chosen People:

‘Our region is not Switzerland,’ Israeli minister says amid concerns Qatar may buy F-35 jets from US

Those peace accords with the Muslim monarchies are clearly a show of weakness by Israel. Its expansive (imperial) capacities are exhausted. Don't let the tragic state of the Palestinians deflect your attention from this obvious and glaring fact.

Israel has lost the war. The Zionist Dream is dead.


Tsai’s soft rhetoric cannot fool world on ‘one China’: Global Times editorial

The DPP's strategy is so obvious and so vulgar that it really makes us wonder how great is the state of desperation in Taiwan.

In sum, Tsai is basically stating that she expects Taiwan to declare independence and for China to simply accept it and keep business as usual. The problem with this reasoning is that, assuming things could be kept as before, then declaring independence wouldn't be a problem in the first place!

And we're talking about this in 2020, when the PLAN is in a much better shape than in 1949. If you're betting on the USN bailing you out, then you should have done it in the 1950s, not in the 2020s. It's like a "too little, too late" situation, where you appeal to symbolism in order to make up for the loss of substance.

The Mainland must keep its red line and keep its modernization and expansion of the PLAN. Once the PLAN is modernized and big enough, the Mainland will be in the comfortable situation where it will be able to choose the time of the war (the place, naturally, can't be changed, as the target is the island of Taiwan). Once this situation is achieved, Taiwan will be the proverbial dead man walking, a government completely devoid of meaning.


Xi to attend grand gathering marking 40th anniversary of Shenzhen SEZ

When Deng Xiaoping took over China, the first SEZ he created was in Shenzhen. There was no doubt in his heart about the location, as the city opposite to Hong Kong.

The creation of Shenzhen SEZ proved to be a winning move, as it broke the legs of Hong Kong and Taiwan economies. It is a monument of the wisdom of Chinese Communism. No wonder Xi Jinping will celebrate its 40th anniversary.


China's holiday economy once again attracts the world’s attention

I wonder which will be the argument used by the Western petite-bourgeoisie to twist the simple fact that (true) lockdowns do work, as China moved circa USD 45 billion in tourism in the Golden Week (much of this money would go to the First World's petite-bourgeoisie if it wasn't for their failed containment of the pandemic).

You made your bed, petite-bourgeoisie, now you sleep on it.

On a side note: lockdowns are not a theory; they are scientifically known to work, as they are literally quarantines in a very large scale. And we know, for a scientific fact, that quarantines do work. Just as 1+1=2, lockdowns do work. After all, nobody will be complaining about lockdowns if, say, a cluster of ebola comes to your country, will they?


Joke of the week:

How China’s consumers can help ease trade tensions with US

Is the author threatening, or is he begging?

Either way, he's factually wrong:

1) American goods that can somewhat compete are already produced in China. Why will they import something they're already producing? Just export it and create a domestic, inevitably cheaper option ("knock-off") from the exact same line of production;

2) Chinese products are already superior to American ones; e.g. Huawei smartphones. Why will the Chinese people give up a superior - and cheaper - product just because of some imaginary solidarity to the Americans, when the Americans have just expropriated the private property of TikTok?;

3) China has a huge surplus with the USA for the simple fact the USA can just print dollars to import whatever they want (financial superpower). In net terms, China's surplus is merely just above 4%, i.e. it has trade deficits with most of the rest of the world. It doesn't matter here how much China imports in relation to its GDP, as it just means it also exports little in relation to its GDP - which makes absolute sense, as China is a big country with 1.4 billion people, so it's natural it interacts less with the rest of the world in comparison to, say, the micro-nations of Europe (most of which cannot even produce all the food they need, let alone be protectionist).

Posted by: vk | Oct 12 2020 16:15 utc | 136

Adding to @Oct12 15:55 #136

And the reasons WHY they didn't protect us are covered up as well (naturally).

Trump needed the virus to spread so he could declare a 'National Emergency' and provide bailouts to Wall Street and Boeing. And TPTB want to blame China. The more destructive the virus is, the more anti-China outrage that can be generated.

Trump declaration that China will pay a price for the virus is very similar to Obama's declaration that Russia will pay a price for blocking USA in Syria and Ukraine.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 16:22 utc | 137

@ juliania | Oct 12 2020 15:01 utc | 126... 100 years ago and longer, most people worked in agriculture and lived on a farm or in close proximity to one.. it is true what you say - this culture put all its money on money.. that is true for all of western culture and much of the world... but you really see it via wall st with all the games that get played chasing money... unfortunately the value in food and agriculture was devalued at the same time... and it went big - big agra - whereby you had to go big, or get out.. that was the thinking anyway.. i am a fan of wendall berry, his work and writings... he gave me a lot of insight into what is happening at present and where we came from with regard to farming - small or large.. i think i have read between 10-20 of his books..

we are seeing some small and positive signs in this direction - local markets selling small farmers produce and etc.. but it is a very small dent in an industry driven by the same agenda that wall st demands - going into debt - teaming up with large corporations and being vulnerable to these same set ups.. getting off this grid isn't going to be easy, but hopefully more small steps will be taken on a longer journey to get back to basics...

do you grow garlic? we are going to plant ours in the next week or so... we had a rust problem in the back yard, but i set up a few beds in the front yard - far enough away and we are hoping to be able to grow garlic again... this is the time of the year to plant it here on vancouver island..

Posted by: james | Oct 12 2020 16:24 utc | 138

Imho. COV-19 was spreading fast, and prevalent in many parts of the World (developed world mainly) since around July/August 2019, if not before.

Imho its origins are still unknown, are most likely not in Wuhan Jan-Feb 2020 (wet markets, pangolins, etc. - tall tales..), that spot was merely the time/place some spread was locally seen to have deadly effects, and some docs noticed, alerted authorities, thus the virus, the ‘epidemic’, gained official, public recognition. (Accompanied by an early negation, cover-up, etc.)

Here a paper aims to show early spread in US. (I'm not keen on this method...)

WSJ - free to read.

other MSM similar direction:

BBC France first case in Dec (there are dozens of reports like this.)

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 12 2020 16:24 utc | 139

@Russ | Oct 12 2020 15:40 utc | 134

That's some extreme projection there. Where in all of history has there been a more direct and monumental astroturf than the globally coordinated terrorist propaganda campaign which uses the idea of "covid" as a pretext, complete with an entire "new normal" cultural, (anti-)social, religious framework complete with rituals all pre-fabricated and ready to be taken up by the abjectly conforming masses.

Thank you, I was going to reply to that obvious provocation, but you did it better.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2020 16:26 utc | 140

On the subject posted first by karlof1 @ 65, Pepe Escobar's discussion about the book by Xiang, on reading the essay and then comments at the Saker site, I felt the essay was rather ambiguous of Pepe, as have been some of his more recent essays for me. Not sure he was in approval of the book or not. But on the subject of marriage, I would say he has chosen the wrong metaphor. It seems to me that China has chosen a 'way' politically speaking that incorporates its own history (in ways only China best understands) with its governing philosophy -- as Russia has itself done (as only Russia best understands). And that is why the two countries present a unified front that will be hard, if not impossible, to defeat.

And as we attempt to understand both Pepe and Confucius, I think it best to simply quote from a comment at Saker that I am assuming is Chinese:

Oū Sī/區司/Tŭ Lèi'fū

Two crucial aspects of Confucianism are often overlooked:

1: The duty of every subject to authority to remonstrate when that authority goes beyond what is right.

2: That the authorities that be shall know their place and listen to advice: A ruler shall rule, but not be a tyrant. A father must be a good father. A son must have the courage to speak back to his father and younger brothers should correct their elder brothers.

I am remembering that Confucianism arose, according to what I have read, in a time of upheaval and strife,and that the moral imperative as represented in the above quote, embodied in the person of Confucius, stood over and against the political instabilities of the time.

If the government of China is to endure and prosper, it would seem that Confucianism fits well, and may finally have found its partner in the political realm.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 12 2020 16:30 utc | 141

@gottlieb | Oct 12 2020 16:07 utc | 140

Talk about hoax. Trump's curious case of Covid wreaks of it.

Nothing curious about it, it was clear from the first nanosecond that it was a hoax, and that it was a reaction to the even bigger hoax, so it would be impossible for those behind the bigger hoax to call him out on it. And they didn't.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2020 16:32 utc | 142


I have no explanation for Escobar's direction as he's yet to rebut my critique at his FB or engage me at VK. As ought to be very clear by now, nobody gets a free pass from me regardless their stature; everyone makes mistakes, me included.

One major difference between Russia/China and Outlaw US Empire is the members of government in the former don't need to constantly campaign and thus are able to focus far more closely on their jobs governing than the latter. Indeed, one of Hudson's main observations is what sector does the nation's development planning, which in the Outlaw US Empire was ceded to the parasitic FIRE sector that's produced the results one might expect. Aside from a short span of time during the latter decades of the 19th Century and very briefly during WW2, the Outlaw US Empire hasn't had any form of Industrial or Development Policy while its Russian and Chinese competitors both have collectivist-based policies in all areas of their political-economy and have no parasites to feed. IMO, what this year has proven beyond doubt is the superiority of China's system to that of the Outlaw US Empire's; and the gap between them will continue to widen until the parasites are exterminated and governance returned to the goal of maximizing the potential of the USA's Human Capital.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2020 16:35 utc | 143

@ Posted by: juliania | Oct 12 2020 16:30 utc | 142

There are at least three problems with the "Confucian Thesis" for the Chinese success:

1) China is not the only Confucian nation that exists: Japan, South Korea, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia etc. etc. are all "Confucian". Confucianism is, in reality, just the chic term Westerners use to designate non-Indian, non-Muslim, Asia; just another umbrella term to designate the East or Asian culture. It's a lazy term, akin to attribute all Western way of thinking to Christianity;

2) Even if we accept the fact that Confucianism really is a thing nowadays, we have the obvious fact that China is not even the most Confucian nation. That prize definitely goes to South Korea, with Japan second place. In China, we have, for example, a much less hierarchical relation between men and women, for example - and inheritance of Communism;

3) Confucius lived more than 2,000 years ago. It's highly unlikely the teachings of man who lived so long ago to still have any vitality in today's world. He may be relevant symbolically today to the Chinese people, but the CCP is hardly using him to trace its geopolitical and domestic policies, that's for sure.

Posted by: vk | Oct 12 2020 16:50 utc | 144

@142 vk

Israel has lost the war. The Zionist Dream is dead.

Nope. Zionism is more than a placeholder on a speck of desert. The goal of Zionism is full containment and no challenge to its supremacist hegemony and Trump is taking it forward and further with multiple acts of war against Iran, complete dispossession of Palestine, serfdom of Gulf States and hostile policy towards China in an effort to derail China's advancement towards super-power status that will lead to Cold War.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 12 2020 16:52 utc | 145

@ old hippie..... you missed another good chicago drummer here... these postcard videos are super fun...

Posted by: james | Oct 12 2020 17:01 utc | 146

james@ 139 Yes! Garlic! Even a klutz like me working with an arid and rocky soil can grow garlic, so everyone should do that! First time I did, I left the 'scapes' on too long - those are edible as are onion scapes. My climate seesaws in springtime so I do tend to get those, but the garlic is indomitable-it can survive even me!

I love Wendell Berry also. Thanks for responding. The lesson the Soviet Union taught Russia was that factory farms don't work, (though I'm sure they have modified the concept, not abandoning it completely). Community farming is a different ball of wax - we used to have it in New Zealand, farms individually owned family style but centralized as far as small scale cooperatives had been established there. Not so today, unfortunately, though it is better than US style farm factories being a small country. Small is good!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 12 2020 17:04 utc | 147

Karlof1 @144

I agree with you that the way Lanxin Xiang's book starts with the premise that China is currently suffering a massive crisis of legitimacy, and then fails to give anything like relevant proof for why he thinks this is remarkable. But what can you expect from a former holder of the Henry Kissinger chair at the Library of Congress? Amazon provided a brief extract of the book that included some of the footnotes. Do you know what the author thinks is proof that the 90 million members of the CCP don't believe in the system? A single poll of "over 3000 people" done seven years ago on April 13, 2013. Apparently 72.1 percent of those polled disagreed with the absurdly leading question, "Do you agree that the CCP has enough courage and wisdom to accelerate reform?"

Posted by: fnord13 | Oct 12 2020 17:09 utc | 148

@ psychohistorian

It seems like we've known about the long life of the virus on non-porous surfaces since early in the game. Jen is correct that the virus dies far quicker on fabric and only lasts a few hours on cardboard. It seems we knew this back in spring.

We also learned early in the game - perhaps the data came from Italy? - that in one epidemic-hit place with contact tracing in place, only 10% of new infections came from surface contact, the other 90% came from breathing. So the odds of infection from touch were way smaller in everyday life than from breath.

So, while many people learned the new fetish of hand-washing (not in itself a bad thing of course), they would have done better learning about viral load and face coverings.

And it's UV-C that kills the virus. Hospitals use it to sterilize instruments and such. You can buy various tools to sterilize things like your keys, phone, cash and cards, etc. Some people have long used a portable light tool for hotel rooms and such. I saw at Home Depot the other day a shelf-load of many different products for this purpose, so evidently people know.

Early in the game I bought a small light-case for $100 that I've used to sterilize the surgical masks I wear, usually after letting them hang for a few days first. Hopefully this works, I have no data on it. One does what one can.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 12 2020 17:11 utc | 149

Posted by: vk | Oct 12 2020 16:50 utc | 145

Confucius lived more than 2,000 years ago. It's highly unlikely the teachings of man who lived so long ago to still have any vitality in today's world.

Listen, I still learned Latin including its slave system in school more than 2000 years later. I escaped Greek whose speakers ruled the world before then but could have learnt it at the same school.

We have a system of property law first described on Babylonian tablets 3800 years ago.

You must be joking.

At one stage the communist party tried to get rid of Confucianism but did not manage to do so.

After the Communist Party took over China in 1949, Mao Zedong, who was then an advocate for egalitarian values and gained grassroots support for promising equity, lashed out at Confucius for being a champion of the old feudal society and the ruling class. Mao once famously said, according to his nephew Mao Yuanxin, "If the Communist Party has a day when it cannot rule or has met difficulty and needs to invite Confucius back, it means you (note: the Party) are coming to an end."

But yes, they are trying to establish a new feudalism not just in China.

Posted by: conspiracy-theorist | Oct 12 2020 17:02 utc | 148

AI will fully regulate what a Chinese will think and do. Object and go on the social credit shitlist.
This is the plan in the West now, too.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2020 17:27 utc | 150


So encouraging to know that what you believe is truth. Not surprised you are ignorant of the simple UNDENIABLE fact that "truth" must be see by ALL as such....or it isn't. Shame indeed.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 12 2020 17:28 utc | 151

@144 karlof1

I see Pepe on his FB page says that he didn't necessarily agree with Xiang on all things - he's been reading comments and no one is that sold on Xiang. A lot of people joined in the discussion because it was Escobar, and it was a powerful endorsement from him. Sad to see a few people write him off from this one thing - if it's wrongness from him, it will be a tiny piece of error in his formidable output of rightness.

Personally, I think Confucius and Marx do get married, and live happily ever after, and China is the great society in which this match can be made. Truth does not fight with truth, and both things are great truths.


@145 vk - "...highly unlikely the teachings of man who lived so long ago to still have any vitality in today's world."

I don't think The Way has a shelf life. The nature of reality is still the same, and always will be. I take a different view from your surmise, and suspect that Confucian observation and thought is daily expressed in the deliberations of the CCP.

Perhaps a small quibble - and rare enough that I ever have one with any of your contributions, for which many thanks.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 12 2020 17:29 utc | 152

conspiracy-theorist @148--

You must have missed my Thesis on Neoliberalism I posted about two weeks ago where I wrote it seems clear it began as a reactionary move against the Classical Political-Economists and their allies to expunge the last vestiges of Feudalism from the UK--Rent Seeking--which was the bread & butter of Royals and their retainers, particularly those inhabiting the House of Lords. My Thesis is still a work in progress, but it must be seen as existing within a much grander historical narrative dealing with the longstanding 6K+ yearlong Class War between Creditors and Debtors and how cultural dysfunction allowed such behavior to arise in the first place.

As for AI, all technology can be used for good or ill; AI is no different. The problems it and robotics present have been discussed since the 1930s and form the seminal core of Asimov's many writings. Indeed, there should've been a massive debate during the 1950s over those subjects instead of the intentional distraction of the Anti-Communist Crusade and Cold War. And humanity still hasn't had a proper debate about them even though both are becoming very prominent. And in an objective comparison between the two, I have much more to fear from the Outlaw US Empire that I live within than from China as the Empire has a long history of illegally attacking its own citizens, and currently really doesn't give a damn about the condition of its Human Capital aside from harvesting their labor through debt.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2020 17:32 utc | 153

Description of the social credit system by a German think tank - they sound as if they like it.

Each citizen is expected to be given a social credit score that will increase or decrease depending on whether the subject’s social behavior is acceptable.The system is expected to draw on huge amounts of data about each and every individual, gathered from traditional sources – such as financial, criminal and government records and existing data from registry offices or school officials – along with digital sources. The latter include data collected on the Internet, such as the subject’s search history, shopping preferences on e-commerce sites and interactions on social media.Moreover, the system could also rely on information obtained through video surveillance systems with help from facial recognition technology

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2020 17:34 utc | 154

@Bemildred (125)

Russia is de-coupling from Europe, because it no longer trusts Europe. A huge shift. Seventy-five years after the end of WW2, German militarism and nationalism is stirring — and its élites are once again targeting Russia: “Berlin is ending the era launched by Gorbachev of a trusting and friendly relationship with Moscow. Russia, for its part, no longer expects anything from Germany, and therefore does not feel obliged to take into account its opinion or interests”, says the respected Moscow-based Carnegie bureau chief, Dmitri Trenin.

Well, dang. Then again, with Europe being occupied by the USA, it was bound to happen.

Another article of Crooke's refers to another article that points out in one paragraph that the German population opposes war and militarism and that the surge in militarism would come exclusively from the elites. My take is that, if Nord Stream II gets canceled, millions of irate German citizens and business owners - many of whom having invested millions on the pipeline project - won't forgive Merkel and co. and/or the USA for the political developments. Merkel in particular said she won't be seeking re-election as chancellor and as leader of the CDU (good riddance...?)

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 12 2020 17:37 utc | 155

j @ 142 to clarify: I didn't intend to say that Confucianism is China's 'governing philosophy', but that the governance currently practised is in harmony with Chinese traditions, among which is that of Confucianism. I felt free to use that term since the Chinese post I included at 142 did so.)

vk @ 145, I hope that answers your objection. Thanks for your response.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 12 2020 17:47 utc | 156

Posted by: joey_n | Oct 12 2020 17:37 utc | 155

Well, dang. Then again, with Europe being occupied by the USA, it was bound to happen.

I've been wondering what the Eucrats were up to with the Navalny circus, so I was glad to have Crooke confirm it, some of them are intent on not getting sucked into the Russian sphere. They've always been there, I think they were just running out of time. Splitting the EU off from Eurasia was one of the original intents of the Ukraine mess, along with a number of these fanciful propaganda attacks on Russia for poisoning various people. I think the State Dept. will consider it a "win" to finally pull that off. I've never been able to see how that was supposed to work myself.

"My take is that, if Nord Stream II gets canceled, millions of irate German citizens and business owners - many of whom having invested millions on the pipeline project - won't forgive Merkel and co. and/or the USA for the political developments."

It seems pretty dumb to me, mixed in with some delusions of grandeur. Perhaps some coercion is being applied.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 17:54 utc | 157

fnord13 @150--

Thanks very much for your reply and that info. Perhaps Xiang's background is why Pepe hoped he'd be listened to by Beltway denizens.

Grieved @153--

Thanks for your reply. I need to reread the two essays as IMO there's some useful info. Since Marx and Confucius are Collectivists, I'd expect their ideas to merge at some point. IMO, the most important aspect is the Morality Issue when it comes to managing China's 1,400+ Millions. In itself, China's population is an indicator of Confucianism's success over the centuries, although it's certainly struggled to be equitable, especially for women. I take the long view and note that China's struggled mightily against both internal and external forces since the arrival of the Portuguese from 1513-1520 as the Ming Dynasty slowly collapsed, the Ming being the last major Dynastic power until 1949. One might say based on China's Civilizational History that what we're witnessing today is the first several decades of a new Dynastic blossoming based on the traditional strong centralized governance system coupled with a modified Confucianism that generated a dynamism seldom seen in human history. IMO, it's the dynamism that has the West the most annoyed as their narrative had inculcated the notion that Asians are inferior when in reality Asian dynamism was suffocated by Colonialism combined with its own unique backward aspects. The situation's exacerbated when we realize that the West is being made less dynamic by the parasitism of Neoliberalism, whose practitioners can't admit lest they fall out of power. Yet, the longer they remain in power, the farther the West will fall behind Asian plus Russian dynamism.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2020 18:09 utc | 158

Did anyone catch the Keith Olbermann diatribe against Trump and his supporters? No? Me neither. Lol. But talk about inflammatory rhetoric.

Imo, what I have deemed in the past as the credit that POTUS is due to awakening certain aspects of our collectice lexicon that for many decades has been vehemontly repressed by the establishment (i.e. "Globalism," "nationalism," "fake news," "deplorables"), is the exact specter which the establishment is attempting now, in their campaign against Trump, to subdue. Keith Olbermann and his diatribe, here, is the best embodiment, to date, of what the establishment is seeking and is the proof and all we need to know that these people will be out for blood, whether or not Biden wins or not. For, regardless of Trump losing, in Olbermann's own words, Trump has unleashed an opened Pandora's Box upon the west, and it remains the mission of our globaliized elites to stuff all these aspects of the DJT back into the box.

What this gentleman's rant elicidates is how deranged the establishment has become and to what bloody extent they will offer up as marching orders all their foot soldiers, both on the street, and in political positions. It seems from this an impossibility that some reactionary violence from the right, who, up until now, has been by far the more peaceful, will not occur.

It remains unclear how any of this will play out though I do envision a rural/urban divide, mostly in predominantly democrat states. The interior will travel little from home and likewise those on the coast and in the cities will continue to see their rural compatriots as ignorant, racist, and fully supportive of Trump 2.0.

That is why I believe that even with a Trump win in 2020, we are in for a hell of a ride. We will finally see some fireworks.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 12 2020 18:31 utc | 159

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 11 2020 23:28 utc | 63

"Just a few less chimpanzees I have to worry about."

This brings to mind a tale from the East:

A hundred monkeys came upon a well. They looked in, saw the moon’s reflection, and became alarmed: “The moon has fallen into this well!” they screamed. “We must get the moon out and put it back where it belongs.” Based on their shared delusion that the moon had fallen into the well, they determined to rescue it.

One monkey held onto a branch of a tree, and all the other monkeys held the leg or tail of the monkey above him, thus making a long chain of monkeys. But the tree branch broke and they all fell into the well. They then looked up and saw the moon was back in the sky. “We did it!” they exclaimed. “Even though we will die here, we fixed the world and put everything back in its right place.”

Posted by: suzan | Oct 12 2020 18:34 utc | 160

Grieved @ 151

Early in the game I bought a small light-case for $100 that I've used to sterilize the surgical masks I wear, usually after letting them hang for a few days first. Hopefully this works, I have no data on it. One does what one can.

well, in contrast, early in the game i bought a ten pack of surgical masks that i'm still working on, one of which i wear when i'm required to, after fishing it out my jacket pocket, or the glove compartment, or wherever. i switch to a new one when it gets too grungy, you know, from all that touching and crumpledness. so far this seems to work, and i have lots of data on it.

Posted by: john | Oct 12 2020 18:40 utc | 161

Bemildred @158--

I see Crooke follows the example set by the Neoliberals, that Adam Smith favored Free Markets. No he did not. Smith favored markets free from the impacts of Feudal rents and the interest and fees charged by banks--markets freed from the Free Lunch. From one of Hudson's many essays on the topic,

"Smith wrote that even a land tax could not finance governments or 'compensate the further accumulation of the public debt in the next war.' His argument was that to free the economy from taxes, nations should avoid wars. And the best way to do this was to wage them on a pay-as-you-go basis. Borrowing rather than taxing led the population not to feel the real cost of war – and thus deterred it from making an economically informed choice.

"So the Bush-Obama administration has taken a fiscal stance diametrically opposed to that of the patron saint of free enterprise. While escalating war in Afghanistan and maintaining over 850 military bases around the world, the administration has run up the national debt that Smith decried. By shifting the tax burden off property and off rent-seeking monopolies – above all, off the financial sector – this policy has raised America’s cost of living and doing business, thereby undercutting its competitive power and running up larger and larger foreign debt....

"The balance of the 19th century saw a move throughout Europe to endorse progressive taxation. The aim was not class warfare to take from the rich to give to the poor. Led by the industrial middle class and its leaders, the aim was to make national economies more competitive by freeing them from economic rent and private bank credit." [My Emphasis]

Crooke is the one in need of being educated on the topic as he's greatly misleading his readers and probably doesn't even know his errors. But Crooke is correct to bring anomie into the conversation; it's a growing social maladaptation I've been watching since Reagan's rise after Volker rescued the bond holders instead of the public in the first real clue as to what would become standard practice in the ensuing 40 years--ever more graft, fraud, and corruption domestically combined with ever more law breaking, bullying and killing internationally--all rationalized by the Cold War Narrative: the 100% contrived situation that's governed the world for 75+ years where millions have died at the hands of the Outlaw US Empire and its minions.

Crooke has yet to get the underlying political-economic dynamic correct that's responsible for much of the woe he reports. Until he understands that aspect of our reality, his analyses will remain incomplete. I know he's an old dog, but he's clearly capable of learning what he must to become complete.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2020 19:06 utc | 162

PressTv advises USA supposedly has signed a take the oil agreement with Delta Cresent Energy (DCE)..I saw on presstv thousands of USA troops moving equipment and armed manpower from Iraq to Syria.. and guarding tanker convoys. Probably a good way to get elected, help the Kurds take Syrian oil? According to PressTV Syria has filed or is about to file a law suit for violation of international law.. and everyone but Assad is happy.. This is what i understand can anyone shed more light.

Posted by: snake | Oct 12 2020 19:24 utc | 163

via Pepe, Oct 12, 2020
. . . Lanxin Xiang: "If Taiwan declares independence, Chinese invade in less than 24 hours." . .here

Jan 18, 2020
President Tsai, interviewed by BBC, has chosen not to declare independence, only to describe it. Apparently China doesn't care if it's declared or described; if it walks like a duck . . .

The following is in the text of the interview:
Q: If we leave aside the question of timetable, the question of practicality, are you in principle, at least, in favor of the idea of formal Taiwanese independence?
A: Well, the reality and what it is now is that we are already a functionally independent country. And we have our own government, we have our own elections, of course, presidential election, and that is a way to express that we do have sovereignty, and our people elect their own leaders. So, effectively we are a country already.

Q: Will there come a day when that reality needs to be spelled out by calling Taiwan a country, and a formal declaration of independence to do that?
A: Well, the idea is that we don't have a need to declare ourselves an independent state. We are an independent country already and we call ourselves the Republic of China (Taiwan), and we have our own system of running the country, and we do have a government and we have a military, and we have elections, like the presidential elections that you have witnessed. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 12 2020 19:38 utc | 164

@ Posted by: Grieved | Oct 12 2020 17:29 utc | 153

Maybe. But my guess is the CCP is not using Confucius to plan its eventual invasion of the island of Taiwan. I also don't think the CCP is using Confucius to plan its economy for the next Five-Year Plan. I bet the CCP doesn't use Confucius to predict the next move of its enemies.

Confucius may or may not be "atemporal" - but even if he is, he can be used by any country, any time, not just China. It's a zero factor at best, a book of obvious truths that have no use in today's very complex geopolitics.

@ Posted by: donkeytale | Oct 12 2020 17:45 utc | 156

It's one thing to say Xi Jinping revived the corpse of Confucius (e.g. the Confucius Institutes around the West); it's another completely different thing to claim Confucius is now on par with Marx in importance to China's governance and survival - it isn't.

The Confucius Institute is more like a cultural exchange thing between China and other countries. More like the Cervantes Institute for Spain (I don't think Spain used Cervantes to draw its policies...) or the Goethe Institute for Germany (I also don't think Germany uses Goethe in its foreign policy). They serve more as a soft power tool than a policy creation tool.

Posted by: vk | Oct 12 2020 19:39 utc | 165

Posted by: vk | Oct 12 2020 19:39 utc | 166

It is complex - the Chinese communist party considered confucianism anti-egalitarian and feudal but used its ethics. Confucianism seems modern in today's global re-emergence of feudalism.

Western car factories have used Japanese methods of improvement and respect so I am afraid some of Confucius will grow into Western values.

See here: Confucianism: measurement and association with workforce performance

This paper reconsiders the approaches to measuring Confucian values, and tests their association with workforce performance. The purpose of this paper is to examine how such values and performances are prioritized across three East Asian societies, but more importantly, identifies how variations across societies might result from the way in which Confucianism has been transformed/appropriated differently across history

Findings confirm the prioritization of three aspects of Confucianism (relational, pedagogical, and transformative) to differ between Mainland Chinese, Taiwan Chinese, and Korean respondents – producing five distinct clusters based on similarities across three societies. Overall, between 7 and 27 percent of the variance in workforce performance could be explained by the Confucian values included in this study.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2020 20:32 utc | 166

NemesisCalling @Oct12 18:31 #160

What this gentleman's rant elicidates is how deranged the establishment has become ...

Supporting "radical left" narratives was a deliberate choice of the Democratic Party establishment. And thus of the Duopoly and their Deep State masters.

What is portrayed as a civil war is merely a pretense for more authoritarian control.

The right furthers this push by pretending that the "radical left" is poised to take control. That is poppycock.

Turning-the-tables is a propaganda device that furthers this false narrative. It promotes the notion that extraordinary measures are needed against an establishment that is undemocratic as undemocratic as it is rigidly ideological.

And it deflects from the fact that USA's neoliberal, neoconservative, zionist 'radical center' establishment/government is also undemocratic and rigidly ideological. And is still pulling the strings via a controlled media. Make no mistake, TDS is a feature, not a bug.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 21:04 utc | 167

Why is the Amnesty International report into deaths in UK Care Homes being ignored by the Government, all political parties and the media?

"As If Expendable" - Amnesity International report into deaths in UK Care Homes during the period 2 March and 12 June 2020.


"As lockdown began, thousands of patients were sent from hospitals into care homes. In three months 18,562 people living in Care Homes died with COVID-19. Our report As if Expendable highlights the UK Government's failure to protect older people in care homes during the COVID-19 pandemic...

...Sending thousands of patients untested from hospitals into Care Homes, at the height of a pandemic, was wrong and put lives at risk...

...The consequences of these decisions were enormous. Loneliness and isolation from friends and family impacted people’s mental health as well as their physical health...

...We’re calling for a full independent public inquiry without further delay. But these take time and so to protect people through winter, an immediate initial phase of this Inquiry needs to report back by the 30 November...

...The government must review all 'Do Not Attempt CPR' orders on care home residents that have been added without proper process. Blanket ‘Do Not Attempt CPR’ orders imposed without considering a person’s individual circumstances, is unacceptable - they violate a person’s right to life and health."

Posted by: ADKC | Oct 12 2020 21:51 utc | 168

Adding @Oct12 21:04 #167

Perpetual emergency. At all levels. Domestic. Foreign.

Sacrifices must be made if we are to prevail./sarc


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 12 2020 21:51 utc | 169

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 14:42 utc | 118

Excellent post. Finally we have some clear evidence that the "herd immunity" thing as well as all the anti-mask and "pandemic is a hoax" nonsense is entirely the result of Trump morons.

The CDC estimates that nearly half of all Americans (47.5 percent) have underlying conditions that predispose them to severe Covid-19 outcomes...Yet if you look at hospitalizations for young adults with Covid-19 in a national study, 21 percent required intensive care, 10 percent required mechanical ventilation, and 2.7 percent died. Many of these young people had chronic conditions, which enhanced their risk—and over half of the young people hospitalized in this cohort were Black or Latino.

That's precisely what I've been saying for months. It's not hard to look up the figures. But all these Trump morons are convinced they and only they have the smarts to decide what the science actually is. So they cherry-pick their corrupt "scientists" - like the ones listed in the articles - who are willing to sell their integrity for political favor and mix that with a lot of illogical nonsense.

As for whether masks work, I cited many studies way back in the spring about what works and to what degree. N95 and N99 do what is claimed. Surgical masks have been shown in studies to be *less* effective - by about half as well as N95 - but *not ineffective* in preventing infections. Other types of masks - basically any mask which is not multi-layer - are much less effective. Bandanas are only around 11% effective. That's why I ordered KN95 masks from China early on. Any mask which has a more or less complicated weave will work to some extent because the virus particles cannot pass through actual threads and thus bump into threads going in a complex weave.

The nonsense of "breathing CO2" has been debunked many times. But the morons can't be bothered to read, since only they know the truth, using the same magical thinking that Trump does.

For a bunch of supposed "rebels", it's amusing to see how they are willing to debase themselves before an avowed con artist. But as I read once, this is how con artists work. They dominate their victims, who are almost willing to be fleeced in order to gain a supposed advantage, which then evaporates. This is the most slavish form of submission. This article from The Intercept points this out nicely:

Democrats Need to Wake Up: The Trump Movement Is Shot Through With Fascism
The sooner liberals understand that Trump’s supporters don’t care about autocracy, the better they can push to win this election.

So I can’t help but reveal how the excuses made on behalf of Nazi-era Germans resemble the collective naïveté — the delusional pass — afforded to roughly 40 percent of our people. America’s democratic free fall is not just Trump. Ours is a nation full of mini-fascists: Trump’s Willing Executioners.

It's simply that Trump supporters are willing slaves to whoever has the most "balls" to push them around. Whereas on the Democrat/"progressive" side it's whoever has the most "virtue signaling." So all the morons touting the pandemic as a "hoax" are the ones who have been brainwashed into believing pathetic nonsense, and thus allowing the rich to suck up even more of their wealth.

And people wonder why I despise almost all humans.

Do you know how many people believe the President of the U.S. is secretly a foreigner? 24%. That the JFK assassination was an inside job? 76%. 9/11? 57%.
Who believe the entire universe was created in 144 hours? 46%. You stagger through your lives in a mythological fog of ignorance and fear.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 12 2020 22:36 utc | 170

My comments @ 106 and 108 are not to be interpreted as supporting or advocating the use of cloth masks as Juliania's comment @ 119 suggests.

I have only observed that, based on the articles I linked to, the SARS-CoV-2 virus does not last long on fabric. The observation thus applies to all or maybe most fabrics and other materials with porous and/or rough surfaces.

Cloth masks are only useful if they are disinfected immediately after every time they are used. This may not always be possible depending on an individual's immediate situation or context. In such situations paper masks may more useful than cloth masks. But masks are no substitute for social distancing and proper hand hygiene, as the reason to wear masks is to stop the wearer from transmitting possibly live viral particles to other people, not to protect the wearer from receiving viral particles.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 12 2020 22:41 utc | 171

Imbecility in the West reached a so high level that the (African) chief of the WHO had to practically draw to them what is herd immunity and why it doesn't and won't work:

WHO chief says herd immunity approach to pandemic 'unethical'

“Herd immunity is a concept used for vaccination, in which a population can be protected from a certain virus if a threshold of vaccination is reached,” Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a virtual press briefing.

For measles, for instance, it is estimated that if 95% of the population is vaccinated, the remaining 5% will also be protected from the spread of the virus. For polio the threshold is estimated at 80%.

“Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it,” Tedros said. “Never in the history of public health has herd immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak, let alone a pandemic.”

To the Covidiots here, repeat with me, a hundred times: "the concept of herd immunity only applies to a vaccinated population". Then write on your notebook a thousand more times. Do that x times more, until it is properly ingrained in you tiny brain.

Posted by: vk | Oct 12 2020 23:02 utc | 172

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 12 2020 22:36 utc | 170

Thanks, I thought those were pretty informative. I'm not always sure they know what they are talking about, such articles, but I file it all away. Eventually you kind of build up a picture. Like there is something tricky, bi-modal, about how Corona transmits from infectee to infectee. This shows up in the widely different outcomes in different cultures and in the importance of "super-spreaders" in the course of the pandemic.

It makes sense that infectiousness for a virus, which has no ability to do anything except stick to a cell if it happens to run into one, would be very situational. Disease control pre-antibiotics etc. relied on that: find out how it transmits and interrupt it there. No infectees, no disease.

As far as masks, I did not look into it much, like you did, since I wear them more to please/protect the waitstaff than to protect myself. A few moments thought suggests that pretty much anything covering your mug will at least slow the snotlets down a good deal, and that is bound to help, and I'd hate to think I infected somebody..

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 12 2020 23:07 utc | 173

Why China will never be an empire (and why the USA is likely to persist as one):

Debt disaster with no escape

Worse, much of the debt is denominated in US dollars and as that hegemonic currency increased in value as a ‘safe haven’, the burden of repayment will mount for the dominated economies of the ‘south’ [N.E. the Global South]. The level of EM corporate ‘hard currency’ debt is significantly higher now than in 2008. According to the IMF’s October 2019 Financial Stability Report, the median external debt of emerging market and middle-income countries increased from 100 per cent of GDP in 2008 to 160 per cent of GDP in 2019.

Long story short: the Third World is neck deep in debt, which is denominated in USD. For the Third World countries to automatically flip to China's side, China would have to assume all the debt those countries have with the USA, which, obviously, will never happen.

Most likely scenario is that this vassalage relation will only cease to exist when the American Empire really falls. When it falls, the Third World will go down with it and be submerged by a new era of darkness and chaos. China will then have to deal with it, but, whatever the relation between it and the Third World in flames, it will certainly not be one of Empire-Vassal.

Posted by: vk | Oct 12 2020 23:36 utc | 174

An interesting point on the ongoing turmoil in the post-Soviet space. According to the author it could seem that the process of collapse of the USSR has not being yet completed, and thus, we are still to witness the unexpected consequences of such tectonic event...

Unrest & turbulence in parts of former Soviet Union means its collapse has NOT been accomplished.

Related, on the fall of empires, found this audiobook looking for information on this author mentioned at SST...

The Fate of Empires - Sir John Glubb

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Oct 12 2020 23:48 utc | 175

@vk 172 so if I survive Covid wouldnt that be the same as vaccinated?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 12 2020 23:50 utc | 176

Nice recap of the possibilities and what to look for in preparation if the election goes bad.

Is a Coup d'Etat Possible Post-Election in the U.S.?

Also consider this video of his: When Martial Law is Enacted: What to Do

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 13 2020 0:41 utc | 177

@ Lucci

Well, I didn't see any chinese troops helping in Syria, Iraq, or Iran.

It's been mostly russian military help, while Assad has to BUY chinese missiles.

Where were China when the jihadis almost overwhelmed Damascus?

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 0:45 utc | 178

Lot of praise over China's economy. I agree. They understand fascism and they make it work.

But does this mean anything?

Where were China when Syria, Iran, Iraq, Libya burn? Ah yes, a deeply concern letter.

I do agree that China will never be an empire, because they lack the military to control any part that is China, unless their neighbors grow weaker and fail to keep them in check.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 0:58 utc | 179

jen @ 171 Apologies for misstating your views. There have been so many back and forth arguments I got confused,

Posted by: juliania | Oct 13 2020 0:59 utc | 180

I should in fairness post what Pepe Escobar wrote at his FB about his latest two-part article:

"The guys at ZeroHedge republished it - which is great. Many other sites as well. This article - and the previous one, on the limits of Chinese power - are directed straight to Western, especially American, audiences. My intent is to start a serious debate on Confucius, the Mandate of Heaven, the Enlightenment, Marx and China post-Mao. Sinophobia sucks. Let's keep the ball rollin'."

Further down the page, Pepe writes:

"Yes, this is an extremely controversial column - and book. I don't necessarily agree with many of Xiang's key points. But it was essential to present his book as an important tool for a serious debate on Chinese history and politics.

"My target audience here is Westerners, especially Americans: that's why I present the issues via a Chinese scholar that knows how to address Western audiences.

"I hope this marks the start of a serious, rolling debate."

And this was his first entry after part-1 was published:

"My original title was "Will Confucius marry Marx?" It may happen - or not.

"This article should be read as a companion piece to the previous story focused on scholar Lanxin Xiang's views.

"Here I dig deeper into some crucial aspects of his very important, latest book - where Confucius and the Mandate of Heaven are essentially explained to a Western audience still captive to the Enlightenment narrative of the world.

"These two stories, together, are aimed at Western audiences, especially the Exceptionalists - with the intent of starting an INFORMED debate counterpunching the prevailing Sinophobia."

One can freely get the Introduction to Xiang's book here then clicking Full Text. Using the CTRL-F search function, one can find all the instances the phrase Mandate of Heaven is used, which is a good method to drive the discovery of the points Pepe wants use to engage in. The following is an excellent example:

"Although the Mandate of Heaven sounds superficially similar to the European concept of the 'Divine Right of Kings,' in fact it operated quite differently. Before modern times in Europe, political legitimacy was defined by blood lineage in royal successions, and there was no alternative interpretation. Illegitimacy,
or usurpation of power, could easily be identified under the circumstances. In the European model, God was said to have granted a particular family the right to rule a country for all time, regardless of the rulers’ behavior. Moreover, in the Christian era at least, the Divine Right was an assertion that God forbade rebellions–-it was a sin to oppose the king. In contrast, the Mandate of Heaven always justifies rebellion against a bad ruler. If a rebellion was successful in overthrowing an emperor, then it was a sign that he had already lost the Mandate and the rebel leader had gained it."

Perhaps more will become interested now that the project and its aims are better understood.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 13 2020 1:00 utc | 181

The idea that the Mandate of Heaven somehow justified rebellion is ridiculous.

There are MANY, MANY failed rebellions and civil wars in China, and as always there are conflicting narratives.

Example: Taiping Rebellion , pro-Taiping side will always say the Qing Dynasty is corrupted and needs to be overthrown (thus the Mandate is on their side), pro-Qing side is that Taiping is backed by foreigners meant to overthrow the genuine ruler of China/the Mandate (at this time, the manchurians). It's in fact very similar to this modern CCP vs Taiwan conflict.

The Mandate, like the Divine rights of King, is just a casus belli/rationale. As Cao Cao said, "if you win you are king, if you lose, you are a bandit". That's all there is to it.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 1:11 utc | 182

I see Agent Smith has arrived to spread his FUD. I see no reason to feed it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 13 2020 1:20 utc | 183

Sorry, my previous post sailed off before I finished. I'm a bit confused, Jen, as to why your statements about the longevity of virus on cloth can't be transposed to cloth masks. And I have read that exposing the mask to strong sunlight (which in New Mexico we have plenty of) is a good way to reinforce the ability of virus depletion as I have been doing. I only shop twice a month,which leaves plenty of time to render my mask virus free. I don't party or attend other functions or go to restaurants. I stay home and garden. And I do observe social distancing when I am out and about.

You didn't advocate masking though - that was my mistaken attribution,so again apologies. I do advocate that though; it just seems a sensible precaution,and being a senior I am all about precautions. And this one is easy to comply with, which was the point of my post. The impatience with such simple practicalities as though they interfered with civil rights is hard to fathom.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 13 2020 1:21 utc | 184

It seems Neo once again failed to counter the narrative. Sad!

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 1:22 utc | 185

Thanks karlof1 for bringing Pepe's clarifications on the subject. I look forward to investigating the 'Mandate of Heaven' concept. It sounds very like what Christ replied to Pilate before his crucifixion:

Pilate therefore said to him, "You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you, and power to crucify you?" Jesus answered him, "You would have no power over me unless had been given you from above; therefore he who delivered me to you has the greater sin."

Also, at least in England as Shakespeare points out, fairly often heavy was the head that wore the crown, even in Christian times.

Christianity, following Christ's example, is not about any 'divine rights of kings' any more than is the Mandate of Heaven. That was a distortion which all Biblical tales Old Testament and New advocate against. Bad rulers get their comeuppance just as they do in Chinese law. (Here, Russ's reference to the Prophet Jeremiah is a case in point.)

Posted by: juliania | Oct 13 2020 1:50 utc | 186

There seems to be a tad confusion.

The mandate of heaven is supposed to be that a man is guided by heaven in order to lead the people, and that man is usually the Emperor, called the Heavenly Son (天子), meant to rule all. And if you go against him, you go against all Heaven.

Of course, this also means into that rebellions that break the rule/usurp the throne violate Heaven's Mandate.

Confucianism teaching is ultimately about unity, not encouraging rebellion and chaos, which is why loyalty (忠) to your liege is one of the crucial cores of 8 Confucian values.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 2:04 utc | 187

Adding to my comments on Jen's @ 171, as to the following:

...the reason to wear masks is to stop the wearer from transmitting possibly live viral particles to other people, not to protect the wearer from receiving viral particles....

This certainly had been the case for hospital workers until they discovered how susceptible the workers were to infection from the virus. That is why they need the more powerful masks. But similarly, cloth masks for the general public have been recommended to protect both ways, since wearing them appropriately has a positive effect for the wearer as well as curtailing their own virus shed should they be infected. [This is information from the UCSF weekly video team]

Posted by: juliania | Oct 13 2020 2:14 utc | 188

re: Pepe
I just find it odd that while China is sweeping the board with domestic and foreign successes, including 138 nations in its BRI project, with $3.87trn projects planned or underway across the world, that we are asked to read about "Shedding Light On The Limits Of Chinese Power" and "Everything about US-China hinges on the result of the upcoming US presidential election" and “China is not really sure what the US wants to do.”....makes no sense to me.

First, the US and China relationship has been well defined, no matter who wins the election. It dates back at least to the Chinese Exclusion Act and other US legislation based on racism which Pepe wrote about in The deeper roots of Chinese demonization.

Secondly China is doing very well in several areas and what the US thinks or does about it are largely irrelevant. An example is the recent Quad Dialogue conference in Tokyo where the US's Pompeo asked for everything anti-China, and got nothing. Zip. Zero. See you next year. And of course the MSM reported the opposite.

Finally the idea that "For Xiang, “if Biden wins, the danger of a Cold War turning Hot War will be reduced dramatically” is not based on anything factual and reasonable, considering that Biden has been a faithful forever-war promoter and Trump has not been.

Face it, Pepe struck out, atypical for him..

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 13 2020 2:15 utc | 189

Trump is now playing Macho Man at his rallies where most people are not distanced and are maskless carrying on to the music, and Trump's bragging he's got beautiful immunity and wants to kiss everybody. I kid you not.

Meanwhile other unseen people are on ventilators and hundreds are dying every day.

That's what you call depravity.

This is a WAR, Americans, even Trump supporters are leaving the hospital in body bags and all Trump wants to do is host rally parties.

Life is a party every day, until you drop dead in isolation from Covid.

What a F*cking World.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 13 2020 2:31 utc | 190

re Circe | Oct 12 2020 15:58 utc | 132
Gee! Thanks for proving my point.
The house dembot does it again - reveals its inability to see the forest past partisan trees.
I loved this one "First, anyone like Trump who owes foreign lenders $450 Million while on the end of the legal noose with hands tied standing over the trap door in the floor that justice controls can most certainly be trusted to deliver! spoken by someone who after a lifetime of living in amerika still cannot understand how its economy functions.
Of course orangeutan has massive debts, just the same as every other 'entrepreneur' amerikan billionaire who maximizes their tax write-offs, he knows that he is gonna be OK because a) despite those loans, he will have far more than that safely stashed away where neither banks nor governments could get at even if they want to - which is highly unlikely because his bankers know that if they try to force the issue they will get nothing ever & the bank's management will have to publically carry the can for hundreds of millions of dollars of write-offs, but if they say nothing, the loans will continue to be serviced and money will be made as the trump pyramid scheme rolls along.

Governments will also do nothing as not only is everything the NYT revealed about trump's dealings 100% legal, the last time tax dept disagreed with orangeutan over $105 mill or so trump has paid a law firm a coupla mill to delay the dispute from being settled for more than 10 years and counting. Most of that time a dem prez sat in the seat and allowed it to occur - for a range of reasons not least of which is if oblamblam had gone after the trump scam, all of oblamblam's bribers would have gone apeshit, worried if he was gonna do them for the same thing.
Billionaires don't pay off pols outta the kindness of the hearts people who do stuff like that don't get to be billionaires. These guys bribe oblamblam, clinton, pence & Biden because they need to have certain things done, certain 'protections' put in place. They are keenly aware of the market rate for politicians so just as clinton did, biden has been sucking wall st dick throughout this campaign.
Orangeutan doesn't mind trousering a fat wedge himself but is not so dependant on it, because his marketing plan includes getting the TDS media so het up about him, they cover the front/homepage in photos & exaggerations about him which great - there's nothing better than free advertising.

As for trump's zionism, that's not at issue, but you ignore the facts here. Biden has said nothing about rolling back the trump occupied Palestine 'peace initiative' because he has no intention of doing any such thing. Biden will bow and scrape to the occupied Palestine dictator worse than trump did, Cos with orangeutan it was purely about money - the land deals they (nuttyahoo, trump and babyface kushner) cooked up.

Biden gets in and nuttyahoo cops the big flick, the deals will be about retaining zionist political control and that will be more like genocide, something trump is not that into because there is no easy earner in mass murder.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 13 2020 2:40 utc | 191

news report -- Oct 12, 2020 -- Reuters
White House moves forward on three arms sales to Taiwan: sources

WASHINGTON - The White House is moving forward with three sales of advanced weaponry to Taiwan, sending in recent days a notification of the deals to Congress for approval, five sources familiar with the situation said on Monday.
The informal notifications were for a truck-based rocket launcher made by Lockheed Martin Corp called a High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), long-range air-to-ground missiles made by Boeing Co called SLAM-ER, and external sensor pods for F-16 jets that allow the real-time transmission of imagery and data from the aircraft back to ground stations. . .here

The problem with Taiwan buying SLAM and sensor pods is that most runways will be destroyed by China missiles in the first hours of an invasion. On all systems considerations of availability, shipment and training all become considerations.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 13 2020 2:44 utc | 192

@ Smith | Oct 13 2020 1:11 utc | 182 who wrote

The Mandate, like the Divine rights of King, is just a casus belli/rationale. As Cao Cao said, "if you win you are king, if you lose, you are a bandit". That's all there is to it.

The problem I have with this thread of obfuscation is that it is not talking about reality, but the guiding concepts behind our reality. Our reality is that global private finance folk own the social contract in the West and in China, at least, the social contract with public finance at the core is integral to the sovereign government.

And as I continue to point out, humanity is in a civilization war about public/private finance . Because we are in a MAD world the old strategy of Might-Makes-Right no longer can force financial hegemony on the world.

The profit centered narrative of the West worked as long as profit was the controlling limit to cost and focus. In those areas that China deems crucial to its success as a civilization, they have removed the profit motive from evolution of core services. This allows those involved to think outside the profit box and create, design and build things that make sense for the society not some profit expectation. In this sense China is blowing past the software offerings based on the profit motive in the West. And the West does not want to compete on the basis of merit because they know they would lose given their social contract.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 13 2020 2:46 utc | 193

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 13 2020 2:15 utc | 189 Face it, Pepe struck out, atypical for him..

I haven't read the piece, but I have noted that sort of thing occasionally strikes even people who are usually on top of things. My main example is Gareth Porter. He was convinced Obama didn't want a war in the Middle East, and made all sorts of excuses for Obama's foreign policy moves, even while he was writing about how all those moves were serious "blunders". Of course, they weren't "blunders" - they were just normal US foreign policy. But Porter apparently had drunk the "Change You Can Believe In" Kool-Aid.

As I've said many times, it all boils down to cognitive dissonance. When someone can't accept the personal cost of a situation emotionally, they just...don't. And then they expend enormous effort trying to find reasons for their rejection of reality. This affects everyone, including people who are otherwise quite capable of discerning reality accurately - at least in certain realms of thought. And that latter is the rub. As long as it's just "objective analysis", it's all good. Once it becomes "personal" in any way, shape or form, objectivity goes out the window.

Nuclear war between China and the US, or Russia and the US, is as "personal" as it gets.

Then there's the complete lack of effect one has on the world, no matter how much one has "objectively" analyzed things. Abby Hoffman committed suicide because after decades of "fighting the system", the "system" was still standing. Eventually you have to acknowledge that things aren't going to change as a result of your actions - unless you're the President, or some other person everyone else has invested authority in and control over the real sources of power: money, cops and military might. That realization leads to cognitive dissonance, as well.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 13 2020 2:48 utc | 194

karlof1 @181,

Thanks a lot for the detailed update. Although Mr. Escobar has good intention to bring some Chinese concepts to the front and have them be known and discussed. I am not sure if Mr. Xiang is a good choice in this regard. IMHO, it is very important to introduce a concept properly, especially at the start and when it's new to the audience. So it will not give people wrong impression and subsequently would take more efforts to correct the misconception. From the available information, it seems to me that Mr. Xiang tries to find Chinese concepts to fit the western terms that he identified. This is an interesting aspect. However, it looks at the things from the opposite direction. I'd think it would be the other way around- finding western terms to describe Chinese concepts. It is my understanding that it's not easy to do so since there is not much proper western terminology corresponding to Chinese concepts. And nuance is easy to get lost in translation. I am not sure if Mr. Xiang's "credential" plays some role here. However, I'd be careful about opinions from so-called Gong-Chi scholars.

Thanks again.

Posted by: LuRenJia | Oct 13 2020 2:49 utc | 195

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 2:04 utc | 187 Confucianism teaching is ultimately about unity, not encouraging rebellion and chaos, which is why loyalty (忠) to your liege is one of the crucial cores of 8 Confucian values.

Which is why I prefer Taoism, which is anarchistic at its core.
Daoism and Anarchism: Critiques of State Autonomy in Ancient and Modern China (Contemporary Anarchist Studies) by John A. Rapp

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 13 2020 2:58 utc | 196


I think human history is not the struggle of finance, it's more about domination over the globe and the resistance against that.

All the finance powers, all the money in the world, are used to spread and maintain hegemony/domination.

Is China better than the US? Sure, they are a more pure, more efficient US, they are an old-style empire compared to the very liberal, multiculti ideological driven US.

But that doesn't stop their drive to be a hegemony.

And on domestic side, China does not differ much from US, regarding data gathering, or anywhere really.
See this picture:

Chinese play free-to-play games and reveal everything there is to know about them (age, gender, location, probably their names and bank account and ID) to big corporations, which make a report and then sell this report.

Completely no privacy at all. Though, I doubt this is much different than the US, the difference is that the chinese don't care/cannot resist, because the CCP knows what's best.

Even for me as an authoritarian, this is getting very troubling. Humanity seems to be getting into a dark road considering US and China are leading the pack.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 2:59 utc | 197

@ Smith

The Mandate of the Heavens doesn't exist anymore. The only place I see the term is in some Western analysts pieces, in a very pejorative sense, usually meaning as a rationale to support Taiwan's bid to conquer the Mainland (or outright consider it the "true China" of the "one China policy").

I've never read the term in any CCP text (outside of its specific historical sense) or the Chinese MSM to designate the CCP's hegemony in modern China. The term doesn't exist on the Chinese Constitution.

Posted by: vk | Oct 13 2020 3:01 utc | 198

Wrong link, it should be this:

I'm feeling bad about the road of humanity next. Instead of following a balance between privacy and duty, we are being harvested like lab rats.

@ vk

It does exist in the mind of chinese.

That concept is very simple, if the CCP seems prosperous, Mandate of Heaven is on their side. If Taiwan was the prosperous one, Mandate of Heaven would be on their side instead.

Another note to chinese history, this is very similar to the Qing vs Ming rebel conflict during the Qing dynasty. You have the pro-Qing chinese who think while the Qing are usurpers but they are more competent rulers thus they are the legitimate Heaven's Son, while the Ming rebels (also mostly stationed in Taiwan and South China) believe that the Qing/manchurians are invaders who occupy their country.

In the end, who's right? I cannot say. What's true is that when the Qing dynasty fell, the Ming rebels won and created the ROC, the narrative is that the Qing is a corrupted apartheid state, despite their obvious achievements.

Maybe one day when the CCP fails, the same thing will be written about them.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 13 2020 3:08 utc | 199

@ RSH #196
Yes, a lot of people got Obama all wrong, some intentionally like the MSM which never reported Obama's sending 70,000 additional troops to Afghanistan in 2009 (right after taking office) as he received the Nobel Peace Prize. Instead we get crap like this:

Obama was extremely wary of the military’s request for 40,000 more troops for Afghanistan on basic geopolitical grounds from the start, as documented by notes of National Security Council meetings used for Bob Woodward’s accounts of those meetings in “Obama’s Wars” and in an earlier account by Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter.
Both Obama and Vice-President Joe Biden argued in the meetings in September and October 2009 that the primary U.S. concern should be Pakistan, not Afghanistan, whereas Petraeus and Adm. Mike Mullen were insistent that Afghanistan be the priority, according to Woodward’s account. . .here

In December 2009 Obama spoke at West Point saying that Pakistan was an ally, even though he had been told (by General McChrystal in his report) that Pakistan was supporting the Taliban to keep India out of Afghanistan.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 13 2020 3:16 utc | 200

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