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October 1, 2020
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Just posted this also on the Sept 29 thread on Armenia. Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 1 2020 14:22 utc | 2 To no one’s surprise:
Now it seems all the more important to be watchful of industries we are supposed to trust with a response to pandemic. Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 14:47 utc | 4 vk | Oct 1 2020 14:42 utc | 3 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 14:49 utc | 5 Interesting article by F William Engdahl Posted by: Down South | Oct 1 2020 14:58 utc | 6 The debate was a disgrace not because of the animosity of the two contenders, I don’t think anyone was expecting a clean fight, but because of the disgraceful conduct of the moderator Chris Wallace. Posted by: Down South | Oct 1 2020 15:04 utc | 7 Two dogs growling at each other, guy walks up and throws a handful of dead meat between them. Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 15:28 utc | 8 An interesting, 3-way discussion with Alastair Crooke, Pepe Escobar, and Seyed Mohammad Marandi on US, Iran, China and the global crisis. Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 1 2020 15:41 utc | 9 Today, the Milestones of German-Soviet Relations discussion forum commences in Moscow, to which Sergei Lavrov provided the following greeting reminding all about the genuine nature of their endeavor: @ Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 14:49 utc | 5; Posted by: Down South | Oct 1 2020 15:04 utc | 7; Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 15:28 utc | 8 @ karlof1 | Oct 1 2020 16:12 utc | 10 with the quote Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 1 2020 16:28 utc | 12 Down South @Oct1 15:04 #7
You’re twisting Trump’s bad behavior into a smear of Wallace. Wallace scolded Trump more often simply because Trump was the worst offender (by far). Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 1 2020 16:31 utc | 13 vk | Oct 1 2020 16:18 utc | 11 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 16:36 utc | 14 Jakrabbit said Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 16:41 utc | 15 vk@3 seems to think the Xi government providing “countercyclical adjustment efforts to keep market liquidity at a reasonably ample level in order to keep economic growth stable, including providing relending funds and credit support” means something socialist. It means instead, setting up a bailout fund of its own, not just the Fed, to provide liquidity for Chinese capitalists. They are ruling out any increase in state planning of investments, any expropriation even of bankrupt capitalists and financiers, any reliance on state owned enterprises to meet social needs instead of merely following the profits. It is almost certain ever increasing divestment of state enterprises is at hand. This announcement basically says the Xi administration thinks capitalism is the future of China so long as the capitalists get enough money from the national government. This belief in the magic of the market would be touching, were it not so profitable for some. Coupled with the decision to recruit (en masses, apparently,) from business, the inevitable weakness in growth by the capitalist sector indissolubly tied to the sinking world capitalist system, means the crisis point, where the national government must defend capitalist property by savagely attacking the living standards of the majority of the population, creeps nearer and nearer. Xi is hitching his wagon to a falling star. The sane course would be to let the Chinese bourgeoisie, not just in China itself, but in Hong Kong and Taiwan and Singapore, go bankrupt. Schemes to fix the irrational capitalist system by being smarter are delusional. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 1 2020 16:55 utc | 16 @2 Nathan Mulcahy Posted by: ptb | Oct 1 2020 17:05 utc | 17 Nord Stream 2 gets final ok to finish project, while Navalny works with CIA and is no more than a pawn, which most here and within Russia already knew. Trump did more for the Biden campaign in the first debate than Biden has done in more than a year of campaigning for himself. Trump is losing in the polls – yeah, yeah can’t be trusted got it – and this is against Biden who is to politics what pabulum is to toothless babies. 2020 is not 2016. Trump’s rejection of his first campaign’s focus on trade and immigration with a pivot toward a hilarious caricature of the Red Scare candidate while groveling to the lowest common bigoted denominator, mixed with a denial of massive unemployment, a coming eviction crisis, and mile-long bread lines has his base watch its wet-dream of eternal white male privilege go up in the radioactive hot air of a deranged narcissist without a shred of moral conscience or ounce of humanity. Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 1 2020 17:28 utc | 19 Trump did more for the Biden campaign in the first debate than Biden has done in more than a year of campaigning for himself. Trump is losing in the polls – yeah, yeah can’t be trusted got it – and this is against Biden who is to politics what pabulum is to toothless babies. 2020 is not 2016. Trump’s rejection of his first campaign’s focus on trade and immigration with a pivot toward a hilarious caricature of the Red Scare candidate while groveling to the lowest common bigoted denominator, mixed with a denial of massive unemployment, a coming eviction crisis, and mile-long bread lines has his base watch its wet-dream of eternal white male privilege go up in the radioactive hot air of a deranged narcissist without a shred of moral conscience or ounce of humanity. Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 1 2020 17:28 utc | 20 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 16:41 utc | 15 Posted by: LXV | Oct 1 2020 17:29 utc | 21 LXV | Oct 1 2020 17:29 utc | 21 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 17:42 utc | 23 Curmudgeon @Oct1 17:42 #23
No. We become curmudgeons when we abandon principles based on a moral and ethical grounding. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 1 2020 17:55 utc | 24 Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 17:42 utc | 23 Posted by: LXV | Oct 1 2020 17:56 utc | 25 Jackrabbit | Oct 1 2020 17:55 utc | 24 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 17:57 utc | 26 LXV | Oct 1 2020 17:56 utc | 25 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 18:06 utc | 27 It looks like that we will have our great vaccine mandate debate throwdown sooner than later in the west, as many have predicted. Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 1 2020 18:31 utc | 28 The candidate trailing in the polls claims the election is rigged and unfair, that ballots won’t be counted. He calls on neo-fascist militias to “stand by”. Sounds like the Ukraine or Georgia, a color revolution in the making. Just like b. told us the Dems were planning. But the candidate openly and explicitly calling the election fraudulent and promoting post-electoral violence is Trump. Now I’m really confused. I can’t wait to read your next post. Posted by: Tio Marko | Oct 1 2020 18:44 utc | 29 one again Denmark shows what little cunts they are, waiting all summer to finally give their OK for NSII to continue. They did the same thing last year too. Fukken cunts. And the Russians are dishonest too, they never said WHY NSII wasn’t being worked on(or at least I couldn’t find that info) Posted by: Hoyeru | Oct 1 2020 18:53 utc | 30 “The Looming European banking Crisis” is Renegade Inc‘s focus this week as Ross interviews two economists who do a good job of describing the why and what parts but leave the aftermath issue up in the air, although the Finnish academic does mention the likelihood of “bail-ins” where money is taken from depositers against their will to recapitalize the bank. Then there’s also the domino effect that causes the banking crisis to go global because of the depth of counterparty risk. The one big exception will be banks not connected as deeply to the Neoliberal Casino Economy, like China, Russia, and many Asian banks who learned their lesson during the 1980s & 90s, similar to the Nordic banks. There was a very short allusion to banks being nationalized or renationalized depending on EU membership, but no great discussion about rejection of the Private System in favor of a Public System. Herein follows what I wrote in response (with some additions) to a report on the latest inane Russophobic claptrap re – who else – Navalny: Posted by: AnneR | Oct 1 2020 19:07 utc | 32 public verses private banking….. Posted by: james | Oct 1 2020 19:07 utc | 33 Hoyeru @ 30 – Porcupines, huh? Didn’t know they existed in Bulgaria (or in Europe, for that matter, Hedgehogs – yep). Posted by: AnneR | Oct 1 2020 19:11 utc | 34 james | Oct 1 2020 19:07 utc | 33 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 19:13 utc | 35 @nathan 9 Posted by: migueljose | Oct 1 2020 19:16 utc | 36 Off-topics — for the weapons experts: In light of the deadly efficiency of the Turkish drones against artillery positions and tanks in Idlib and apparently in Nagorno-Karabakh, has there been some kind of technological breakthrough to account for their deadliness? What are the available defenses against them? Posted by: chet380 | Oct 1 2020 19:22 utc | 37 Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in a newspaper article summed up the results of the five-year presence of Russian troops in Syria (September 30, 2015 – September 30, 2020). Jackrabbit @13 Posted by: Down South | Oct 1 2020 19:34 utc | 39 chet380 | Oct 1 2020 19:22 utc | 37 Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 19:37 utc | 40 On drone defense, check it out: Posted by: Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 19:39 utc | 41 [Forgot to put this in my first comment.] @ Curmudgeon | Oct 1 2020 19:13 utc | 35.. thanks curmudgeon… i have read the first book you mention – a long time ago.. lets see if karlof1 or psyshohistorian have any say on this question! Posted by: james | Oct 1 2020 19:56 utc | 43 Jackrabbit wrote “You’re twisting Trump’s bad behavior into a smear of Wallace.” Hell yes, Wallace was biased. I’ll give you just one example. He asked Trump to repudiate Proud Boys but he didn’t ask Biden to repudiate Antifa. I don’t know about you, but I hadn’t heard of Proud Boys until a few days ago while Antifa has burned the country over the past 6 months. If that is not bias, I don’t know what it is. Posted by: BG | Oct 1 2020 19:58 utc | 44 Navalny has been called out as working for the agenCIA, strong words coming from a presidential spokesperson, who also stated that any russian citizen can come and go as he or she wishes without being a hero for doing so, even though I would not be so sure if in Navalny’s shoes, he has openly accused of a crime a head of state, so he could be asked to corroborate his words before a judge. Posted by: Paco | Oct 1 2020 20:35 utc | 46 @james | Oct 1 2020 19:07 utc | 33 Posted by: Michael | Oct 1 2020 20:35 utc | 47 RussiaGate was Killary’s plot = imho an open secret. The precise role played by Obama is obscure. Posted by: Noirette | Oct 1 2020 20:39 utc | 48 @ james | Oct 1 2020 19:07 utc | 33 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 1 2020 21:04 utc | 49 Christmas will be interesting, would think that there needs to be some sort of event or something extra hyped to buggery in order to keep the OneState dream alive… Posted by: Rae | Oct 1 2020 21:12 utc | 50 @james, Oct 1 19:07, 33 Posted by: cirsium | Oct 1 2020 21:18 utc | 51 If, as many believe, the question of Palestine is the great moral and political issue of the era it is not surprising that the outstanding journalist of the age is a commentator living in Nazareth and writing regularly about Palestine. Posted by: bevin | Oct 1 2020 21:42 utc | 52 Michael @46 & james @33– The US Congressional Repubs “China Task Force” Report is out, dumping all over China of course in 82 key findings and more than 400 recommendations. The basic problem is that China took a leaf out of Iran’s book and hasn’t kowtowed to US masters while attaining, or nearly attaining, world predominance.
and this from the web: Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 1 2020 21:52 utc | 54 Formerly T-Bear | Oct 1 2020 21:04 utc | 48 Posted by: George | Oct 1 2020 22:13 utc | 55 Formerly T-Bear @48– George @54– @james #33 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 1 2020 22:50 utc | 59 karlof1 | Oct 1 2020 22:42 utc | 57 Posted by: George | Oct 1 2020 22:56 utc | 60 If the Americans based their neoliberal globalization strategy on an assumption, then they have no one to blame but themselves if the assumption turned out to be misplaced. Posted by: jayc | Oct 1 2020 23:03 utc | 61 The American presidential election will hinge on the answers to the following: Posted by: Erelis | Oct 1 2020 23:05 utc | 62 @james, 33 Posted by: cirsium | Oct 1 2020 23:14 utc | 63 @ karlof1 | Oct 1 2020 22:26 utc | 56 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 1 2020 23:18 utc | 64 Sorry karlof1, you are stuck with me tonight. The roof leaks and has dry rotted the velux and is now leaking inside with heavy rain. There are 41.6 mm forecast tonight, a little over 10 inches until morning and the leak has just started. I will be up to tend the disaster to keep it least damaging to floors and all. It will be nice to compare notes with you if you wish. Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 1 2020 23:36 utc | 65 Debates are harmful for democracy? <= by: vk @ 3
Trump is the one who is discrediting the election by shrieking fraud, not the Democrats. So the question is either ham-fisted irony? Or a raving mad endosement of Trumpery.<=by: steven t johnson @ 16
yes, USA eligible voters are not entitled to vote to select from candidates for who is to be the POTUS or the VP. The Duo (POTUS and VP) are article II and amendment 12 persons; meaning the electoral college elects these two clowns. .
Xi .. thinks capitalism is the future of China.. the inevitable weakness in growth by the capitalist sector indissolubly tied to the sinking world capitalist system, means the crisis point, where the national government must defend capitalist property by savagely attacking the living standards of the majority of the population, creeps nearer and nearer. Xi is hitching his wagon to a falling star. The sane course would be to let the Chinese bourgeoisie, not just in China itself, but in Hong Kong and Taiwan and Singapore, go bankrupt. Schemes to fix the irrational capitalist system by being smarter are delusional. by: steven t johnson@ 16
@james, Oct 1 19:07, 33 "The Public Bank Solution"? lecture by Richard A Werner "Banking Industry Exposed and Solutions" from 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MechH0ebs_c by: cirsium @ 50 Posted by: snake | Oct 1 2020 23:39 utc | 66 Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 1 2020 17:28 utc | 19 Posted by: suzan | Oct 1 2020 23:47 utc | 67 The Kiss of Death, John Bolton, insisted today on Wolf Blitzer’s program he will NOT vote for Biden. He plans either not to vote or write in…Ronald Raygun? Posted by: Circe | Oct 1 2020 23:48 utc | 68 @ james | Oct 1 2020 19:07 utc | 33 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 1 2020 23:49 utc | 69 Cynthia Chung has written an excellent essay dealing with important long buried history related to the end of WW2–history many here won’t know–which IMO is salient given this years 75th anniversary of the UN and its Charter–an organization that wouldn’t exist were it not for FDR’s efforts–Churchill certainly didn’t want it, nor did many Americans who have proved it by immediately violating the UN Charter form October 22, 1945 until today, which will continue tomorrow and beyond until it gets stopped by the rest of the world. Referenced in the essay is the last speech FDR wrote but was never to deliver as he died later that day; these three short paragraphs embodied his message to the nation: @ Posted by: c1ue | Oct 1 2020 22:50 utc | 58
If that’s Mr. Hudson’s conclusion, then he’s completely wrong. The destruction of the Fed would be a disaster for the American Empire and its people. It would automatically bring an end to the American Empire. All the material wealth the American people still think (symbolized by the abundance in Walmart’s shelves) they have would evaporate. The American people think USD 1.90 a gallon of gas is expensive – that would be kid’s stuff if the USA suddenly gave up the Dollar Standard. There would be almost immediate starvation and famines in vast swathes of the American territory; food prices would suddenly spike up because the food producing States would suddenly stockpile grain and cattle in order to absorb coastal wealth. @ f t bear… i hope you get the leak around the skylight fixed.. i had to look up velux and it sounds like a skylight manufacturer… with a name like former t bear – i take it you were involved in the financial markets at some point.. is that true?? thanks for your comments either way… you seem informed, but in favour of the private banking system.. do i have that correct? Posted by: james | Oct 1 2020 23:54 utc | 72 @ 68 f t bear… lol! thanks!! it was a nice 1 week holiday and southwest saskatchewan is quite beautiful this time of year.. cypress hills has a lot of canadian history to it.. i was made aware of it reading wallace stegner books, specifically ‘wolf willow’.. he grew up in the area when the border between canada and the usa was much more porous – early 1900’s…. Posted by: james | Oct 1 2020 23:56 utc | 73 @ VK #70 Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 2 2020 0:04 utc | 74 @ Noirette | Oct 1 2020 20:39 utc | 47.. thanks noirette! my quick take on russiagate is some in power felt the need to resurrect mccarthyism version 2… and it was a 2 for 1 as they managed to make like trump was a putin stooge and a whole whack of people feel for that.. trump is a kleptomaniac and will do anything he can to maintain the royal status he entertains in his head 24-7… who profits from this version 2 called ‘russiagate’?? it keeps the american public and the political circus in constant turmoil.. biden tried to cement it further during the debate the other night… who profits? wall st and the military industrial complex as i see it.. so the stupid show must continue while they all slobber over the thought of accessing russias real assets.. they almost had it… Posted by: james | Oct 2 2020 0:10 utc | 75 @ james | Oct 1 2020 23:54 utc | 71 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 2 2020 0:14 utc | 76 New Layoffs Add to Worries Over U.S. Economic Slowdown re: fed, banks etc etc Posted by: ptb | Oct 2 2020 0:38 utc | 78 Karlov1 thanks yr posts Posted by: chu teh | Oct 2 2020 0:44 utc | 79 @ Posted by: ptb | Oct 2 2020 0:38 utc | 77 @ Formerly T-Bear | Oct 2 2020 0:14 utc | 75.. thanks t bear.. i love reading too! check out the wallace stegner book if you are interested… here is a video that was shared to me just a few minutes ago of me playing with some folks on a gig this summer.. you might enjoy it.. he was visiting from toronto and took the video.. it is not bad.. Posted by: james | Oct 2 2020 1:18 utc | 81 On banks: Posted by: Antonym | Oct 2 2020 1:22 utc | 82 The Grayzone’s Aaron Maté testifies at UN on OPCW Syria cover-up Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 2 2020 1:30 utc | 83 HOPE HICKS TESTS POSITIVE FOR COVID-19 AND IS EXPERIENCING SYMPTOMS. Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 1:33 utc | 84 @ james | Oct 2 2020 1:18 utc | 80 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 2 2020 1:52 utc | 85 @ james with the question about easy to read books about economic/money things Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2020 2:17 utc | 86 Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 1:33 utc | 83 Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 2 2020 2:23 utc | 87 More interested in the Azeri-Amernia war than the back and forth debate. Posted by: Smith | Oct 2 2020 2:25 utc | 88 Yeah, it’s true; he did look pea ked and irritable at the debate; I was going to write that; you beat me to it. He has to quarantine for 14 days. Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 2:35 utc | 89 If Trump got the 15-minute test, then he should have the result already. If it’s negative we would know by now. If it’s negative; doesn’t mean much. He’ll have to be tested again. Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 2:43 utc | 90 When I think of all those wonderful people who died an agonizing death all alone without loved ones while Trump was downplaying the virus and crowing at rallies…it made my blood boil! Posted by: Circe | Oct 2 2020 3:04 utc | 91 Formerly T-Bear | Oct 2 2020 1:52 utc | 84 Posted by: V | Oct 2 2020 3:09 utc | 92 @ 91 V Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 2 2020 3:40 utc | 93 I think anyone who has to use a crutch like youtube to convey their thoughts is lame, the art of carrying on a conversation is being destroyed and is a rare event at this point. Posted by: V | Oct 2 2020 4:01 utc | 94 Trump is going into Covid isolation and has condemned the Proud Boys specifically…doubt if that will go over well. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 2 2020 4:03 utc | 95 Once I had another provider that triggered undelivered mail to one family on AOL and another on Comcast IIRC. One changed to Verizon, the other stayed AOL and lost two way communications. Yandex in some neighbourhoods is like having a red flag on communications I fear. In Europe not so much a problem other than GCHQ squirrels. Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 2 2020 4:25 utc | 96 Re Trump in Quarantine Posted by: necromancer | Oct 2 2020 4:30 utc | 97 You should try commenting more, your views have value. Posted by: V | Oct 2 2020 4:33 utc | 98 @chet380 re drone defence Posted by: necromancer | Oct 2 2020 4:37 utc | 99 @ V | Oct 2 2020 4:33 utc | 96 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 2 2020 4:47 utc | 100 |
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