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October 28, 2020
Open Thread 2020-86
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“The Union Federation of Mining Workers of Bolivia (FSTMB) Secretary Orlando Gutierrez died on Wednesday after being hospitalized for several days because of the physical injuries he suffered after the general elections held on October 18…” Telesur reports today. Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2020 19:00 utc | 1 bevin, Posted by: arby | Oct 28 2020 19:12 utc | 2 not many artists seem capable of really orienting themselves to what’s happening, but lucky for MOA readers I’m a poet uniquely suited to our NEW NORMAL, as evidenced by the poem below. and if you would like to own a piece of ink from the skink, you can buy a copy of WELCOME TO THE COVAXICON here (note, the poem below will be in the next book DEMOCKERY TIME IN COVAXICA) I fear that the last veneer of civility and stability will fall away in America after the elections on Nov. 3. We all know the banking-corporate-military state is upheld by the duopoly, but the appearance of respectability — that the whole edifice relies on to keep the illusion going — will start its final rapid sublimation next week. Posted by: Norogene | Oct 28 2020 19:16 utc | 4 Interesting read by Cynthia Chung
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2020 19:19 utc | 5 If and or when Biden wins the election, it will be interesting to find out what the ocean of mainstream deluded Americans will think about a return to actual Obama era policies? How will they justify just how dark this winter might be, when animosities are ramped up, the economy is shut down possibly. Really, maybe the great undeluding is coming! How will it be possible to conceal the interference of big tech with what is really happening in the real world any longer, instead of some bubble? Will this artificiality of “new normal” endure? Posted by: Geoff | Oct 28 2020 19:31 utc | 6 @Geoff #6 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 28 2020 19:37 utc | 7 https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Trade/Vietnam-shows-limits-of-Trump-s-Buy-American-rhetoric Posted by: Lucci | Oct 28 2020 19:44 utc | 8 Prediction: Landslide victory for Trump Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 28 2020 19:44 utc | 9 What do we all think of the concept of ——- Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 19:50 utc | 10 And while I’m about it what are we going to do about the rich ? Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 20:00 utc | 11 Kazem Jalali, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Iran to the Russian Federation, in an interview with a Russian TV channel:
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 28 2020 19:37 utc | 7 Posted by: Lucci | Oct 28 2020 20:11 utc | 13 Why is no one is talking about Hunter Biden and his laptop and the suppression by MSM and Big Tech of any mention of it? Posted by: TJ | Oct 28 2020 20:15 utc | 14 Let people who don’t even know what fascism is decide what is fascist speech and thus silenceable? What a swell idea! What could possibly go wrong? Fortunately we have brilliant humanitarians like Dorsey, Bezos, and Zuckerberg to make those decisions for us. Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 28 2020 20:17 utc | 15 I’m kinda curious how the rioting…oh who am I kidding… the looting in Philadelphia effects the election here in PA. Does it wind up suppressing the vote in a city that is needed to vote in large numbers to turn the state blue? Also it is impossible to blame the GOP on this one. Democrats have controlled the city for over sixty years. Will this factor in with the surrounding suburban counties, which gradually turned blue after the sixties? Or will the fact that they have become largely Muslim on the Mainline, and Indian on the peripheral make the destructive looting irrelevant? Finally everyone expects the white women to vote blue to get back to normal, but does this Philly stew point out the obvious that their normal is now over for good? Kinda interesting from a Pennsylvanian perspective. Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Oct 28 2020 20:21 utc | 16 So what do we think? Trump is going to win or not? The high early vote doesn’t look good for him. The polls on swing states don’t look good. but perhaps I’ve missed something. Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 28 2020 20:25 utc | 18 “…what are we going to do about the rich ?” Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 28 2020 20:31 utc | 20 Why is no one is talking about Hunter Biden and his laptop and the suppression by MSM and Big Tech of any mention of it? Posted by: Lucci | Oct 28 2020 20:33 utc | 21 Laguerre @ 18 Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2020 20:34 utc | 22 Yes Gruffy you are exactly right with your @ 20 every word ! Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 20:46 utc | 23 This article is from 2016 but still very relevant. I don’t think the playbook has changed one bit since then. Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2020 20:55 utc | 24 lizard@3 For just example, the third line of the last quatrain (as I suppose you could call it,) should at least read “And as you know we give no fucks,” for better rhythm and a perfect rhyme. And sounds even punchier and more up to date too. I’m not altogether certain why any rhymes, given the irregular structure, but off-rhymes are so often like hitting two keys on a piano at the same time. Unfortunately, the meaning of the poem is even worse than the scansion. Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 28 2020 21:10 utc | 25 Politics aside, the mainstream media (sans FoxNews) non-reporting of the Hunter Biden ‘laptop from hell’ is quite astonishing. Certainly, the trail of the laptop from the computer shop to the NY Post is ‘sketchy’ but the veracity of the contents thereof haven’t been denied by the Bidens. This type of partisanship by what is supposed to be ‘journalism’, while obvious in its daily practice for four years of a failed rolling coup against Trump – though it has certainly done its damage politically – this is outright censorship of what is obviously a newsworthy story and amounts to election interference. Trump is a menace, but the ‘system’ itself is a mockery of democracy. Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 28 2020 21:20 utc | 26 It doesn’t matter who wins any of the elections since we live in a plutocracy and policy is decided by (get paid what to)think tanks. Posted by: dave | Oct 28 2020 21:24 utc | 27 H. Schmatz, have you any thoughts on this … Posted by: Retired Anonymous | Oct 28 2020 21:27 utc | 28 Mark @ 10,11 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 21:41 utc | 29 anyone here from AZ or nearby? thoughts on the election there? Posted by: ptb | Oct 28 2020 21:54 utc | 30 Olde fake hippie @ 29 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 21:55 utc | 31 Mark2 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 22:03 utc | 32 The Green Party’s Presidential candidate, Howie Hawkins asks what happened to left solidarity: Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2020 22:07 utc | 33 Nothing fake about the old hippy’s fascism. Most of them were confused- anti-socialist- liberals and being stoned 75% of the time didn’t make them any cleverer. Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2020 22:13 utc | 34 You commies and fascists have yet to notice the tyranny of the Radical Center. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 28 2020 22:14 utc | 35 Olde fake hippie @ 32 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 22:16 utc | 36
Well that is Popper’s Paradox and one Achilles heel of democracy. Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 22:33 utc | 37 @21 Lucci Posted by: TJ | Oct 28 2020 22:35 utc | 38 So to answer my own question @ 10 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 22:44 utc | 39 Thanks everyone this great discussion and always informative. Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 22:45 utc | 40 Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 22:16 utc | 36 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 22:51 utc | 41 This thought may be delusional but it seems that since the US and the west started not accepting election results in other countries that was not to their liking that it has now come home. Posted by: arby | Oct 28 2020 22:57 utc | 42 Let people who don’t even know what fascism is decide what is fascist speech and thus silenceable? What a swell idea! What could possibly go wrong? William Gruff | Oct 28 2020 20:17 utc | 15 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 23:02 utc | 43 Okay I see the problem. Mark2 if you allow the silencing of those issues very soon a guy like Trump gets to pick. Get it? It is on the list of fascist tactics; check for yourself. Censorship is a weapon. Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 23:11 utc | 44 David G Horsman, Mark3 (do I know you ?) Bevin , Dave and many more (both sides) Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 23:20 utc | 46 @42 Posted by: Dave | Oct 28 2020 23:23 utc | 47 Try this BigLie on for size: To the vast majority of Americans their life was pretty much the same under Trump as it would have been under Hillary. Same goes for the coming extravaganza. Posted by: arby | Oct 28 2020 23:45 utc | 49 @46 Posted by: dave | Oct 28 2020 23:55 utc | 50 Who knows what a provocateur is? Ten years ago AntiFa was 100% provocateurs and cops. Now it includes dupes and brownshirts. And a lot of trust fund babies. BLM is completely open about being funded by corporate America. I assume AntiFa is as well. BLM is defined as left, AntiFa supports BLM. Working on a PR effort sponsored by Microsoft and Exxon is now what leftism means. As said before, Red Queen definitions. Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 23:56 utc | 51 Interesting guests of late on Joe Rogan show, Snowden Sept. 15 (2 1/2 hrs.) and Greenwald today (3 hrs.). Sectors of Twitterworld including Nancy Pelosi’s daughter Christine are in a tizzy because he did a show with Alex Jones yesterday, and are berating Spotify and calling for the removal of that episode. Posted by: Kabobyak | Oct 29 2020 0:03 utc | 52 Down South @24 Posted by: jinn | Oct 29 2020 0:10 utc | 54 bevin @1 re: Bolivia Posted by: migueljose | Oct 29 2020 0:13 utc | 55 @51 Posted by: dave | Oct 29 2020 0:31 utc | 56 Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 23:56 utc | 51 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 29 2020 0:31 utc | 57 @Jackrabbit #9 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2020 0:36 utc | 58 Kabobyak | Oct 29 2020 0:03 utc | 52 Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 29 2020 0:38 utc | 59 @Laguerre #18 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2020 0:41 utc | 60 people labelling others.. maybe we could all do without all the labelling… try for a conversation instead… others are more likely to engage and give the impression they share a lot in common with you as well.. Posted by: james | Oct 29 2020 0:44 utc | 61 This pertains to a conspiracy fact. But rabid credulosity theorists and fascist Democrats will hate me. I’m sure no fan of Republicans, nor Trump, but it’s looking like I will have to vote for Trump now. Regardless the POTUS, when the eviction and foreclosure moratoriums end, an Anti-government wave bigger than anything seen in decades will begin while COVID continues to escalate. The Basket Case United States has the potential to quickly sink to third world status in terms of its citizenry’s standing. Recall that over 25% remain unemployed, and the homeless population could easily jump to 10 million. Meanwhile, China eliminated extreme poverty for the first time in its very long history and is on the verge of poverty’s complete elimination by the end of next year. Hopefully the Murder Hornets will make it to Wall Street soon. @jinn #54 Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2020 0:48 utc | 64 Down South @ 24 Posted by: circumspect | Oct 29 2020 0:53 utc | 65 c1ue @Oct29 0:36 #58 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 29 2020 0:55 utc | 66 re: Down South # 5 Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 29 2020 1:20 utc | 67 Time to call them all out.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55782.htm Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 29 2020 1:49 utc | 68 Regarding Hunters laptop and lack of discussion about it. Posted by: jared | Oct 29 2020 1:52 utc | 69 I think “deep state” is a bit over dramatic. Posted by: jared | Oct 29 2020 1:56 utc | 70 I have the impression that about 1/2 the world is so tired of their lot that they are ready and willing to accept servitude as long as it comes with a meal. Posted by: jared | Oct 29 2020 2:00 utc | 71 Down South @ 24 Posted by: J Swift | Oct 29 2020 2:01 utc | 72 addendum to #67 Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 29 2020 2:05 utc | 73 Mark2 Posted by: EoinW | Oct 29 2020 2:06 utc | 74 Old Hippie RCP Posted by: CarlD | Oct 29 2020 2:24 utc | 75 @69 Yes but that doesn’t explain the lack of interest in Hunter’s exploits here on MOA. I think it’s because most commenters see it as prurient tabloid stuf….which of course it is. I noticed the same thing with the Epstein/Maxwell case. Posted by: dh | Oct 29 2020 2:41 utc | 76 And won’t anyone think about the children? Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 29 2020 2:43 utc | 77 Re: Trafalgar Group Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 29 2020 2:48 utc | 78 Re: 71 Jared, Posted by: Kadath | Oct 29 2020 3:15 utc | 79 Almost an obligatory first step in that playbook is to create a legend that X has large popular support prior to an upcoming election, such that when they fail miserably because they actually don’t have majority support, you now have your grounds for shouting that the election must have been rigged, and so the result is illegitimate and the promoted puppet declared the “real” winner/leader. Posted by: circumspect | Oct 29 2020 3:24 utc | 80 Trump will lose not because Biden is better, IMO in some cases he is worse than Trump. But Trump has become boring, annoying and the average American Joe and Peggy have been fed up with it. Its like the show needs to be cancelled after the 4th season.. Posted by: Nick | Oct 29 2020 3:28 utc | 81 @21 Lucci Posted by: Lucci | Oct 29 2020 3:37 utc | 82 @73Debsisdead Posted by: Circe | Oct 29 2020 3:38 utc | 83 Today it’s all about China: @ blues| 62 Posted by: Antonym | Oct 29 2020 4:25 utc | 85 @55 migueljose Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2020 4:29 utc | 86 @76 dh I’ve tried (maybe clumsily) but I think Kompromat, which is used by all sides, is the one Elephant in the Room the Elites will close ranks over to preserve their privileges and status. God forbid the plebs would connect the dots and raise their pitchforks. Hence, silence, censorship, distraction, confusion, character if not real assasinations. Pedophilia, human trafficking, et al, the signs of late stage decadence of Empire, are too shocking for the average good citizen, full of trust and naivety about the depravity of the Elites, though the information is, thanks to an acceleration of access to information (and sloppiness) coming out to the surface.. Posted by: Lozion | Oct 29 2020 5:35 utc | 87 As a note to all you credulousity theorists who don’t believe the mass media is controlled by the ruling class, it looks like YouTube is ALREADY having to roll back its coverup of the Joe/Hunter/Biden/Ukrain/China conspiracy. Boy, that escalated quickly! The original interview was 50min, 46sec long. Right about now, YouTube has released a 24min, 18sec version: Posted by: Nick | Oct 29 2020 3:28 utc | 81 But Trump has become boring, annoying and the average American Joe and Peggy have been fed up with it. Its like the show needs to be cancelled after the 4th season.. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 29 2020 5:52 utc | 89 Antonym @ 84 — “Sorry “Democrats”, FBI or BLM, this cannot be whitewashed or vanished….” Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 29 2020 6:07 utc | 90 And “plausibly deniable” millions from Chinese chief spies sent to a SITTING Vice President’s family. Posted by: Lucci | Oct 29 2020 6:23 utc | 91 This is hilariously stupid… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 29 2020 6:32 utc | 92 @EoinW | Oct 29 2020 2:06 utc | 74 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2020 6:40 utc | 93 @Circe | Oct 29 2020 3:38 utc | 83
He never had any virus. When you finally accept that you will be closer to reality. Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2020 6:46 utc | 94 Interesting developments regarding rare earth supplies from China: Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2020 7:28 utc | 95 => Richard Steven Hack | Oct 29 2020 6:32 utc | 91 The born-again imperialists we handful of authentic anti-imperialists now see at every old place evidently have regressed to the same conclusion regarding both the covid propaganda and electoralism: There Is No Alternative to religiously believing and obeying the system. @76 Hunter Bidem likes drugs and sex. That doesnt make him very unusual. Normal recrrecreational activity for lots of people. I’m not sure how it will affect the election. The MSM won’t talk about it and even Trump isn’t making a big deal out of it. Posted by: dh | Oct 29 2020 9:51 utc | 98 => dh | Oct 29 2020 9:51 utc | 97 re Circe # 83 Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 29 2020 10:29 utc | 100 |
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