Open Thread 2020-86
News & views ...
Posted by b on October 28, 2020 at 18:39 UTC | Permalink
next page »bevin,
It seems that all the right wing seems to know is violence, violence and more violence.
This I saw today, slimy
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has asked the MAS to not 'persecute' leading figures of the coup regime. When Murillo took power a year ago he promised to 'hunt down' leftists."
Posted by: arby | Oct 28 2020 19:12 utc | 2
not many artists seem capable of really orienting themselves to what's happening, but lucky for MOA readers I'm a poet uniquely suited to our NEW NORMAL, as evidenced by the poem below. and if you would like to own a piece of ink from the skink, you can buy a copy of WELCOME TO THE COVAXICON here (note, the poem below will be in the next book DEMOCKERY TIME IN COVAXICA)
you can die from suicide
just protect me from the Covid
you can die from homicide
just protect me from the Covid
you can starve and you can cry
get beaten up with two black eyes
but to say I care would be a lie
just protect me from the Covid
where’s your mask you alt-right ass?
I’ll fever-rage for Covid!
you better vote for Joe and hope
cause he’ll vanquish evil Covid
you can stock up to survive
form militias, mobilize
but number crunchers with vaccine eyes
will save us from the Covid
so we wait with patient faith
for salvation from the Covid
the state knows best how to invest
for this war against the Covid
you can protest, flags on trucks
mattress-hording dirty bucks
but you know we don’t give a fuck
until you catch the Covid
I fear that the last veneer of civility and stability will fall away in America after the elections on Nov. 3. We all know the banking-corporate-military state is upheld by the duopoly, but the appearance of respectability -- that the whole edifice relies on to keep the illusion going -- will start its final rapid sublimation next week.
Posted by: Norogene | Oct 28 2020 19:16 utc | 4
Interesting read by Cynthia Chung
How did the Obama Administration respond to Flynn’s views?He was fired (forced resignation) from his post as Director of the DIA on April 30th, 2014. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, who was briefed by Flynn on the intelligence reports and was also critical of the U.S. Administration’s strategy in the Middle East was also forced to resign in Feb. 2015.
With the election of Trump as President on Nov. 8 2016, Lt. Gen. Flynn was swiftly announced as Trump’s choice for National Security Adviser on Nov. 18th, 2016.
Just weeks later, Flynn was targeted by the FBI and there was a media sensation over Flynn being a suspected “Russian agent”. Flynn was taken out before he had a chance to even step into his office, prevented from doing any sort of overhaul with the intelligence bureaus and Joint Chiefs of Staff, which was most certainly going to happen. Instead Flynn was forced to resign on Feb. 13th, 2017 after incessant media attacks undermining the entire Trump Administration, accusing them of working for the Russians against the welfare of the American people.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2020 19:19 utc | 5
If and or when Biden wins the election, it will be interesting to find out what the ocean of mainstream deluded Americans will think about a return to actual Obama era policies? How will they justify just how dark this winter might be, when animosities are ramped up, the economy is shut down possibly. Really, maybe the great undeluding is coming! How will it be possible to conceal the interference of big tech with what is really happening in the real world any longer, instead of some bubble? Will this artificiality of “new normal” endure?
This is not an endorsement of Trump, but in my opinion the selection of Biden instead of an actual choice, is the worst of the worst. Gravitas indeed.
Posted by: Geoff | Oct 28 2020 19:31 utc | 6
@Geoff #6
My view is a bit more tactical.
If Biden wins, there certainly won't be another stimulus bill until at least February 2020. Even if there is a blue wave, the mechanics of the changeover is such that it cannot happen until there is a new Congress - which will be in January 2020.
If Trump wins - the Democrat party won't negotiate but there might be sufficient votes to pass one. To be fair, not at all clear Trump will go for it.
But yes, the election of Biden will be a resounding triumph of shady intel agency machinations, Tammany Hall-type political machinery (see Bernie smackdown), Progressives sold out, the American middle class screwed over again in favor of multinationals, etc etc.
But Trump would be gone...
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 28 2020 19:37 utc | 7
https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Trade/Vietnam-shows-limits-of-Trump-s-Buy-American-rhetoric
So much for Trump trade war to return manufacturing back into US soil.
https://www.unz.com/freed/a-vaporware-executive-an-attitude-not-a-president/
Comments section of the article illustrated how much of a cults the Trump supporters are.
Posted by: Lucci | Oct 28 2020 19:44 utc | 8
Prediction: Landslide victory for Trump
IMO US Deep State is establishing Trump as a 'Glorious Leader' to provide leverage for their anti-Russia/anti-China plans.
Trump's defeat of Hillary in 2016 made him into a populist hero. To propel Trump into the 'Glorious Leader' category, Trump has to be proven to: 1) defeat US enemies and the 'dark forces' arrayed against "the people" (Covid-19, "fake news", the fake 'Deep State', Biden corruption, etc.); and 2) have the love and support of the people.
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Some will say: "but Trump has earned his populist credentials!"
I disagree. Most of his "winning" has been arranged via controlled opposition (the 'radical left' led by sheepdog Sanders; Deep Stater and Zionist Biden; Pelosi's pretended 'resistance', etc.); leveraging the power of the US government (e.g. peace in the middle-east); and Trump's own fakery (doubtful that he was sick with Covid-19).
MAGA Nationalist Trump was picked to lead the country's response to Russia and China before he entered the 2016 Presidential race. The need to steer the country in a new strategic direction was recognized after Russia blocked USA/Empire in Syria and Ukraine. Kissinger wrote of the need for USA to lead the world/Empire against Russia and China in his WSJ Op-Ed of August 2014. His prescription, a return to the principals and practices that allowed USA to prevail in WWII and the Cold War, is essentially MAGA! 10 months later, Donald Trump enter the 2016 US Presidential race as the only MAGA candidate.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 28 2020 19:44 utc | 9
What do we all think of the concept of ——-
‘No platforming’
We’ve all hered of it,
I personaly think fascism should be censored, it’s based (as can be seen on this blog) on a lie, half truths, designed to deceive the gulable and ignorant. Designed to provoke hatred and violence.
I don’t think free speech should include. Racism. Covid denial 0r election propaganda !
I’ve witnessed the distruction of the U.K. oposition Party.
Distruction of the free press. And it could be said democracy itself.
What should we do to stop fascism on MOA and in our society ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 19:50 utc | 10
And while I’m about it what are we going to do about the rich ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 20:00 utc | 11
Kazem Jalali, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of Iran to the Russian Federation, in an interview with a Russian TV channel:
Q: Does Iran still intend to avenge [the assassination of General Soleimani by the U.S.]?A: We haven't got our revenge yet. As one of our friends said that we fired rockets at the US military base in Ein al-Assad - this was revenge for the blown up car in which Suleimani died. But we have not yet avenged his death.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 28 2020 19:37 utc | 7
"If Biden wins, there certainly won't be another stimulus bill until at least February 2020. To be fair, not at all clear Trump will go for it."
It's obvious those stimulus is just to jack Trump electability. If Trump win he needn't to worry about electability or playing populists any longer and from what I've picked up over the years from his policy he would go full shabbos goy for Israel.
"the election of Biden will be a resounding triumph of shady intel agency machinations, Tammany Hall-type political machinery (see Bernie smackdown), Progressives sold out, the American middle class screwed over again in favor of multinationals, etc etc.
But Trump would be gone..."
At this point it's useless to deny Trump's popularity. He will linger for longer times unless Republican got better populists candidate that can says even more radical things than Trump that rightist wanted to hear and perhaps better poised to fulfill them than Trump.
Posted by: Lucci | Oct 28 2020 20:11 utc | 13
Why is no one is talking about Hunter Biden and his laptop and the suppression by MSM and Big Tech of any mention of it?
Posted by: TJ | Oct 28 2020 20:15 utc | 14
Let people who don't even know what fascism is decide what is fascist speech and thus silenceable? What a swell idea! What could possibly go wrong? Fortunately we have brilliant humanitarians like Dorsey, Bezos, and Zuckerberg to make those decisions for us.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 28 2020 20:17 utc | 15
I'm kinda curious how the rioting...oh who am I kidding... the looting in Philadelphia effects the election here in PA. Does it wind up suppressing the vote in a city that is needed to vote in large numbers to turn the state blue? Also it is impossible to blame the GOP on this one. Democrats have controlled the city for over sixty years. Will this factor in with the surrounding suburban counties, which gradually turned blue after the sixties? Or will the fact that they have become largely Muslim on the Mainline, and Indian on the peripheral make the destructive looting irrelevant? Finally everyone expects the white women to vote blue to get back to normal, but does this Philly stew point out the obvious that their normal is now over for good? Kinda interesting from a Pennsylvanian perspective.
Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Oct 28 2020 20:21 utc | 16
So what do we think? Trump is going to win or not? The high early vote doesn't look good for him. The polls on swing states don't look good. but perhaps I've missed something.
Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 28 2020 20:25 utc | 18
"...what are we going to do about the rich ?"
Eat them.
Don't go repeating that on FarceBook though `cuz Zuckerberg will define it as fascist hate speech and get you deplatformed.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 28 2020 20:31 utc | 20
Why is no one is talking about Hunter Biden and his laptop and the suppression by MSM and Big Tech of any mention of it?
Posted by: TJ | Oct 28 2020 20:15 utc | 14
Because none here are surprised by them. B made articles detailing Biden stake in Ukraine much earlier than any of your MSM.
If you want to think that this boards are never trumper hangouts i had to say you're not exactly wrong.
Posted by: Lucci | Oct 28 2020 20:33 utc | 21
Laguerre @ 18
The Democrats are leading because 2/3 of Democrats planned to vote early compared to only 1/3 of Republicans. So you should see early leads for the Democrats across many states. Trump winning will depend on how many Republicans turn up in Election Day.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2020 20:34 utc | 22
Yes Gruffy you are exactly right with your @ 20 every word !
They made a big thing of censuring the far right but ignored them and wiped out free speech on the left. I know I was one of the victims of it.
There is hope for you yet. Hope for America.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 20:46 utc | 23
This article is from 2016 but still very relevant. I don’t think the playbook has changed one bit since then.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 28 2020 20:55 utc | 24
lizard@3 For just example, the third line of the last quatrain (as I suppose you could call it,) should at least read "And as you know we give no fucks," for better rhythm and a perfect rhyme. And sounds even punchier and more up to date too. I'm not altogether certain why any rhymes, given the irregular structure, but off-rhymes are so often like hitting two keys on a piano at the same time. Unfortunately, the meaning of the poem is even worse than the scansion.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Oct 28 2020 21:10 utc | 25
Politics aside, the mainstream media (sans FoxNews) non-reporting of the Hunter Biden 'laptop from hell' is quite astonishing. Certainly, the trail of the laptop from the computer shop to the NY Post is 'sketchy' but the veracity of the contents thereof haven't been denied by the Bidens. This type of partisanship by what is supposed to be 'journalism', while obvious in its daily practice for four years of a failed rolling coup against Trump - though it has certainly done its damage politically - this is outright censorship of what is obviously a newsworthy story and amounts to election interference. Trump is a menace, but the 'system' itself is a mockery of democracy.
Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 28 2020 21:20 utc | 26
It doesn't matter who wins any of the elections since we live in a plutocracy and policy is decided by (get paid what to)think tanks.
We're just along for the ride just like we've always been.
Fascism prevails due to the fact the elite have always been fascists. That's how Hitler ended up Time magazine's man of the year and Mussolini was the toast of the town here in the states until public opinion changed and it was strategically unwise to publicly support fascism any more.
The indoctrination has been so successful here in the US there is very little chance of unity across the demos. Americans hate other Americans just as much if not more than any of the the enemies they are tricked into hating elsewhere around the globe.
No sense wasting time or effort speculating on which actor will be misleading us next cycle. Get ready for the "is this the end of the _____ party ?" editorials and the hit pieces written in order to facilitate the continuance of the good cop/bad cop fake left/right paradigm.
We may as well vote on if it will rain tomorrow or not for all the difference it will make.
If it ain't broke, they won't fix it. There are still suckers out there losing their minds over voting law as if the popular vote mattered or that the electoral college isn't a control mechanism backed by opportunity for entry level power. Which brand of corruption is worse for you ? There's no way of knowing until it's too late and I can't believe people pretend to know this. The false choice is just too enticing when being constantly fear mongered and fed propaganda.
Stay safe and sane and don't let slick talking horrible actors of any stripe tell you who your enemies are.
Posted by: dave | Oct 28 2020 21:24 utc | 27
H. Schmatz, have you any thoughts on this ...
Posted by: Retired Anonymous | Oct 28 2020 21:27 utc | 28
Mark @ 10,11
Has it occurred to you that you yourself are a fascist? Cancel yourself.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 21:41 utc | 29
anyone here from AZ or nearby? thoughts on the election there?
Posted by: ptb | Oct 28 2020 21:54 utc | 30
Olde fake hippie @ 29
That suggestion of yours is just absurd. Pure psychopathic projection on your part. Yawn, typical far right tactic by the fascists, yes and your on my list.
Designed to send an otherwise intelligent debate round in circles.
We on the left hate hatred. You on the right hate the truth, and peace loving people, simple as that !
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 21:55 utc | 31
Mark2
Yeah, that’s why I served federal time as a leftist. BoP #18257-149.
All you have is Red Queen definitions and lust for power. Call yourself peace loving people, all you ever talk about is wanting to punish any not on your peculiar wavelength.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 22:03 utc | 32
The Green Party's Presidential candidate, Howie Hawkins asks what happened to left solidarity:
"...In 40 states, the vote for the Green presidential ticket determines whether the Green Party retains or gains ballot line for the next election cycle. In most states, it’s 1%, 2%, 3%, or 5%. But there is no support for the Green Party this year from these progressives. What happened to left solidarity?
"They have abandoned the idea that the best way for the left to fight the right is to build and fight with its own independent strength, advancing its own program under its own banner against two-capitalist-party system of corporate rule. Instead, they have responded to the rise of Trump by shifting to the right with him, telling the independent left to silence and disarm itself and back Biden, a man who would fit comfortably into the center-right parties of Europe.
“They have responded to the rise of Trump by shifting to the right with him.”
"Reliance on the lesser evil has historically led to greater evils. In the classic case, instead of running their own candidate for German president on 1932, the largest party, the Social Democrats, supported the conservative Paul von Hindenberg as the lesser evil to Hitler. Von Hindenberg won and appointed Hitler to the Chancellorship. The Communists ran their own candidate in the most sectarian way imaginable, saying the Social Democrats were the “social-fascist main enemy” and “after Hitler it’s our turn.” That was a case where left solidarity against the fascist threat instead of relying on conservatives to stop the fascists. Had the socialists and communists formed a left united front, they would have easily outpolled the rightwing parties...."
https://www.blackagendareport.com/whatever-happened-left-solidarity
Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2020 22:07 utc | 33
Nothing fake about the old hippy's fascism. Most of them were confused- anti-socialist- liberals and being stoned 75% of the time didn't make them any cleverer.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2020 22:13 utc | 34
You commies and fascists have yet to notice the tyranny of the Radical Center.
Corporatists, oligarchs, and militarists play you against each other.
Clinton, Obama, and Biden are 'Third Way' (sell-out) Centrists. Bush and Trump are generally considered Center-Right.
But ALL of them are EMPIRE FIRST and on team Deep State.
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Sorry to disturb your slumber.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 28 2020 22:14 utc | 35
Olde fake hippie @ 32
I judge you on your words on this blog.
You deny covid. Support trump. You attack the left as evedenced right here. Yet you say your left ?
You lie. You all lie.
A vote for trump or Biden is a vote for rich pedophiles.
Get ya election over with then we can get on with politics on the street.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 22:16 utc | 36
What do we all think of the concept of ——- ‘No platforming’
We’ve all hered of it,
I personaly think fascism should be censored, it’s based (as can be seen on this blog) on a lie, half truths, designed to deceive the gulable and ignorant. Designed to provoke hatred and violence.
I don’t think free speech should include. Racism. Covid denial 0r election propaganda !. Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 19:50 utc | 10
Well that is Popper's Paradox and one Achilles heel of democracy.
Do you tolerate the intollerant?
The violent, psyco and sociopaths, the fascists?
History has taught us no. Kill them while you can.
But that's an ethical delima of some magnitude.
Mockery and constant exposure works to a degree.
It remains an open question in my work. I seek an explanation grounded in biology and cognitive science.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 22:33 utc | 37
@21 Lucci
Sorry I should have been clearer, I was meaning the China stuff in particular, Ukraine is a money thing, China well that looks more like a sedition / treason thing to me.
Posted by: TJ | Oct 28 2020 22:35 utc | 38
So to answer my own question @ 10
I don’t think the far right covid deniers and racists should be given a platform here on this site.
They totaly dominate and disrupt the debate within ‘comments’
They are increasingly controlling the narrative away from truth and sanity.
Purely promoting their own violent greedy agenda.
Why do we allow that ?
Why do we allow peace and truth to be distroyed here.
I’m a guest on this excellent blog. This is my opinion only.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 22:44 utc | 39
Thanks everyone this great discussion and always informative.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 22:45 utc | 40
Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 22:16 utc | 36
As an old hippie myself I am completely with your view there. How could a hippie support any of this or either of the duopoly? Old Fake Hippy I don't know.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 22:51 utc | 41
This thought may be delusional but it seems that since the US and the west started not accepting election results in other countries that was not to their liking that it has now come home.
Not My President was a big hoo hah after the Trump win.
Seems to me that usually the American public used to at least accept the results of an election and get on with their life.
No more it seems. What hoes around comes around.
Posted by: arby | Oct 28 2020 22:57 utc | 42
Let people who don't even know what fascism is decide what is fascist speech and thus silenceable? What a swell idea! What could possibly go wrong? William Gruff | Oct 28 2020 20:17 utc | 15
It appears a race between left fascism and right. You know over half the country is fascist to a degree sir. Does even 15% qualify as left? The youth are changing so I don't know.
I do know that incidents you can not predict determine the outcomes during times like this.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 23:02 utc | 43
Okay I see the problem. Mark2 if you allow the silencing of those issues very soon a guy like Trump gets to pick. Get it? It is on the list of fascist tactics; check for yourself. Censorship is a weapon.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 28 2020 23:11 utc | 44
David G Horsman, Mark3 (do I know you ?) Bevin , Dave and many more (both sides)
Thank you for this debate. It needs airing.
Perhaps we should define free speech. —-
If the weight of MSM is right wing and financial backed by the greedy rich, how can that be fair and balenced ?
How can an election be fair and balenced ?
It can not.
The game is fixed !
Fix that first then give fascists a platform, till then fascism is inefatable.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 28 2020 23:20 utc | 46
@42
"Not My President was a big hoo hah after the Trump win."
Trump wasn't the beginning of this stupidity.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/01/12/sean_hannity_obamas_not_my_president.html#!
It comes from the Elitist owned covert community's loot and pillage party that just so happens to have 2 separate funding arms commonly known as the democratic and republican parties.
It's designed to keep America split into at least half at all times with smaller factions added or subtracted whenever necessary.
Bernays would be so proud ! The elite would never risk leaving an opening for their agenda to be denied.
Peace ya'll.
Posted by: Dave | Oct 28 2020 23:23 utc | 47
Try this BigLie on for size:
"In a news release sent to reporters on Tuesday, the White House Office of Science and Technology listed 'ending the COVID-19 pandemic' as one of US President Donald Trump’s first-term accomplishments, despite the fact that COVID-19 cases continue to skyrocket in the US."
Well, it wasn't all a BigLie, COVID cases are rising quickly again and in almost every state. Here's another factual headline you won't see published within the Outlaw US Empire:
"How Trump handed the global economy to China: Virtually all relevant metrics over the last four years show Beijing has won Trump's trade, tech and economic wars."
The longtime mantra--Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago--ought to sink Trump. But Biden's no savior.
To the vast majority of Americans their life was pretty much the same under Trump as it would have been under Hillary. Same goes for the coming extravaganza.
The rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
Posted by: arby | Oct 28 2020 23:45 utc | 49
@46
"The engineering of consent is the very essence of the democratic process, the freedom to persuade and suggest."
-Edward Bernays
Factor in how much it costs to persuade the masses now that the elite own all the media and price everyone else out and you understand why people accurately remind everyone that we are all slaves to capital.
Posted by: dave | Oct 28 2020 23:55 utc | 50
Who knows what a provocateur is? Ten years ago AntiFa was 100% provocateurs and cops. Now it includes dupes and brownshirts. And a lot of trust fund babies. BLM is completely open about being funded by corporate America. I assume AntiFa is as well. BLM is defined as left, AntiFa supports BLM. Working on a PR effort sponsored by Microsoft and Exxon is now what leftism means. As said before, Red Queen definitions.
Back in 60s and 70s the so-called Left was just as thoroughly controlled. Pointing it out was just as unpopular. Basically I went to prison because I wouldn’t do weapons training with the RCP. Pissed them off and they talked to daddy.
The Mark2 persona has the diction of an incredibly privileged and very young man. Could be spontaneous, could be studied affectation, could be a script. Smells all Middlebury and Bates. Which would fit well in a Langley cubicle.
Great talking shop with you.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 23:56 utc | 51
Interesting guests of late on Joe Rogan show, Snowden Sept. 15 (2 1/2 hrs.) and Greenwald today (3 hrs.). Sectors of Twitterworld including Nancy Pelosi's daughter Christine are in a tizzy because he did a show with Alex Jones yesterday, and are berating Spotify and calling for the removal of that episode.
Posted by: Kabobyak | Oct 29 2020 0:03 utc | 52
Down South @24
Down South | Oct 28 2020 20:55 utc | 24
This article is from 2016 but still very relevant. I don’t think the playbook has changed one bit since then.
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Inaccurate polls helped trump to win in 2016 and
if the polls are still inaccurate it will again help trump win in 2020. If the polls are biased towards Democrats (making it look like Biden is way ahead when he is not) all that does is make trump supporters more determined to vote while making some Biden supporters feel that they do not need to bother to
Trump got less votes in 2016 than Romney got in 2012. What got Trump elected was not Trump's popularity (the votes show he was less popular than Romney) but the unpopularity of his opponent. We are seeing a repeat of the same thing. Trump is not popular but his opponent may turn out to be even more unpopular.
Posted by: jinn | Oct 29 2020 0:10 utc | 54
bevin @1 re: Bolivia
"Reminders that winning elections is merely the first and one of the least important steps in the conquest of power by democrats."
Are you reminding imperial subjects or Bolivians? I tend to agree with you if you are reminding Americans/Europeans, Canadians etc. not Bolivians.
They continue to face life and death daily in their fight. The election was a massive and very significant win that will vastly strengthen their standing internationally as well as within Bolivia. I imagine that the fragile middle class-- teachers, some miners, secretaries, etc. -- people who were tired of Evo and soaked up the Guardian, WAPO, Miami Herald etc. propaganda, those people lived through the nightmare, hunkered down while the MAS people fought the fight, died, risked imprisonment, harassment, death every day for a year and they organized, stared evil in the face and didn't blink.
I'm guessing that the extra bump in favor of MAS on election day was from most of these middle class hopefuls.
Meanwhile, the spoiled rich kids and their lower class hired thugs are apparently fractured and in disarray, pointing fingers at each other and refusing to accept their defeat. My guess is that they will not be able to mount a successful coup... now. But they won't go away and neither will the CIA. Biden is likely to unleash more bad stuff in South America as the empire continues to collapse.
Watch Carlos Mesa. He's the empire's favorite. If he gets loud and nasty we can expect he's being funded and encouraged by the CIA.
The good guys, on the other hand, are impressive. Evo will be returning the day after Arce is installed in early November. I look for lots of outreach with AMLO's Mexico, Venezuela, Correa as Ecuador pushes to return, the left in Chile, Argentina along with Russia, China, Iran. Locally, I think they'll start working on re-organizing the military. All the MAS leaders know who the military people are. They will need to figure out who they can promote and who they need to push out. I don't think jail time is an option for the military higher ups but I do think they'll go after the coup plotters: Camacho, Murillo, Anez, etc.
Posted by: migueljose | Oct 29 2020 0:13 utc | 55
@51
"Working on a PR effort sponsored by Microsoft and Exxon is now what leftism means."
1. There is no left or right.
2. Provocateurs utilize both sides of the fake left/right paradigm.
3. Who really cares when their are useful idiots on either side getting paid off or stirred into a frenzy in order to help the press to manufacture consent ?
We'll all end up doing what the elite intended all along anyway until the Yankee doodle dumbf*ck syndrome is shattered. If that ever happens.
What anyone on this thread thinks or says will not change anything anyway. We have no power and are not above the law. The powers that shouldn't be already know this.
Posted by: dave | Oct 29 2020 0:31 utc | 56
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 28 2020 23:56 utc | 51
I would add largely politically ignorant. Myself included.
So what makes a group resilient to penetration given it's a given?
What makes a social group corruption proof?
Same question... an AI?
We must address basic traits and root causes in any solution.
My view revolves around the idea we are mammals. I advocate for the eclipsed view and it may be the Zeitgeist (and the movement) has caught up as of late.
What is realizable seems to be a core question. Utopian solutions are usually just that. I am stuck.
Gaming the discussion board. Gaming the system. It's what we do. We love it.
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 29 2020 0:31 utc | 57
@Jackrabbit #9
Why do you think the Deep State is either unified or needs Trump (vs. narcoleptic Biden+chickenhawk Harris)?
In particular, how do you position the "50 ex-intelligence" people who posited the Hunter Biden laptop as "Russian disinformatsiya"?
I watched Aaron Mate interview Ray McGovern - McGovern made it quite clear that Clapper, Brennan and so forth are the yes-men which make Iraq and similar foreign adventures possible.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2020 0:36 utc | 58
Kabobyak | Oct 29 2020 0:03 utc | 52
Those guests on Joe Rogan Kabobyak? They were all method actors. There is no Alex Jones. Fake news. Joe's deep in a conspiracy. He wants to say what he thinks. Total sedition I tell you. Beware!
Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 29 2020 0:38 utc | 59
@Laguerre #18
I posted Trafalgar's polls in the last open thread.
Just today: the latest Wisconsin poll from them shows Trump pulling to within 0.4% of Biden; Wisconsin is the only swing state polled by Trafalgar which shows Biden winning.
Trafalgar is only notable because they were the only people to accurately - not just direction but detail - call both 2016 and 2018.
This doesn't mean they are right, however.
In the same thread - I noted that Trump's actual performance vs. polls in 2016 was smaller than what Trafalgar is showing today vs MSM polls.
If this were January 2020 - there would be no question.
However, with COVID and the associated economic ruin - less sure.
I do think it will be much closer than the MSM polls say.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2020 0:41 utc | 60
people labelling others.. maybe we could all do without all the labelling... try for a conversation instead... others are more likely to engage and give the impression they share a lot in common with you as well..
Posted by: james | Oct 29 2020 0:44 utc | 61
This pertains to a conspiracy fact. But rabid credulosity theorists and fascist Democrats will hate me. I'm sure no fan of Republicans, nor Trump, but it's looking like I will have to vote for Trump now.
Sorry. Soon I will unveil ('shill for') my score voting website which will explain how to break up the duopoly (it's not quite ready yet). In the mean time, do a little investigating!
Tucker Carlson Tonight 10/27/20 FULL SHOW - Breaking Fox News October 27, 2020 - YouTube
Aaaaand -- It's gone!
But try this (while still available):
Tony Bobulinski Full Interview with Tucker Carlson
Meanwhile, expatriate to The People's Republic!
Regardless the POTUS, when the eviction and foreclosure moratoriums end, an Anti-government wave bigger than anything seen in decades will begin while COVID continues to escalate. The Basket Case United States has the potential to quickly sink to third world status in terms of its citizenry's standing. Recall that over 25% remain unemployed, and the homeless population could easily jump to 10 million. Meanwhile, China eliminated extreme poverty for the first time in its very long history and is on the verge of poverty's complete elimination by the end of next year. Hopefully the Murder Hornets will make it to Wall Street soon.
@jinn #54
HRC was/is unlikable. Joe Biden isn't anything: likable or unlikable.
The Democrats think that plus COVID is enough.
They're repeating the same HRC playbook: tons of money on ads, no ground game.
We will see in a week.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 29 2020 0:48 utc | 64
Down South @ 24
I do not understand why the Democrats would want to over sample on their polls. I would think it would depress turnout thinking that they have it in the bag. Pelosi and Biden seen to think they have already won. We saw this in 2016. Low energy and overconfidence. Does oversampling chill the turnout of the opposition? Has that been proven?
Trafalgar Group and Rasmussen has it very close and they do not over sample.
The conspiracy side of me makes me think the Borg wants Trump in there to generate chaos on the streets and division among the fence sitters. I think Trump wins it again but loses massively in states like NY and Cali. Meanwhile the residents and voters of those states will find a red state to move to so their can have peace and safety as they cities fall to pieces.
Too many out of the ordinary things happening, Covid weariness, riots, Trumps twitter world, some hilarious Trumper commercials, fear of expressing your views of being a Trumper, and the like. Trumperism will get you fired in California.
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 29 2020 0:53 utc | 65
c1ue @Oct29 0:36 #58
Why do you think the Deep State is either unified or needs Trump (vs. narcoleptic Biden+chickenhawk Harris)?
They are unified in running the Empire for fun and profit.
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In particular, how do you position the "50 ex-intelligence" people who posited the Hunter Biden laptop as "Russian disinformatsiya"?
These "50 ex-intel" people are playing along. Doing what they're told.
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... Clapper, Brennan and so forth are the yes-men which make Iraq and similar foreign adventures possible.
All the Deep Staters are team players.
To wit: Biden is taking a hit for the team. As did Hillary. But nobody will be prosecuted (except those that the CIA/Deep State want to make an example of like Manafort, Flynn, and Assange).
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 29 2020 0:55 utc | 66
re: Down South # 5
Justice department problems with Flynn are not going away if Biden does manage to jag the winner's ribbon in the 2020 prez beauty contest. If the biden gang agree to proceed despite a prez pardon the truth about what Flynn was doing with Russian Ambassador Kislyak must come out and that will look bad for the dems at the same time as arguing for a conviction will get stymied.
Jarod Kushner who had been spending months making nice with Netanyahoo in the hope that if dad in law won in '16 he could grab a slice of N'yahoo's scam to steal Palestininian land 'develop' it into condos then flog it off to russian jews/gangsters, got tested by N'yahoo.
N'yahoo told him to stop the security council vote against israel's illegal land seizures. He couldn't do anything about the amerikan vote to abstain which was Oblamblam's parting finger to N'yahoo, worse he didn't realise the entire exercise was a put up job by all the security council to tell the crooks running occupied Palestine to stick it up their arses.
usuk organised the scam an englander diplomat wrote the motion and persuaded temporary member Aotearoa/NZ to put the motion while all members permanent & temporary agreed to vote for it & amerika abstain.
Silly Jarod who understands fuck all about diplomacy cajoled Flynn into approaching Ambassador Kislyak and getting Russia to veto the motion. Flynn did as he was asked but Kislyak wasn't interested, that call was well above his pay grade.
The dems have been trying to keep that detail under their hats right from the start of russiagate as persecuting a bloke who was trying to help zionism isn't a good look with a huge chunk of 'donors' and Flynn was unsuccessful, Russia voted 'aye' which indicates that there wasn't a deal between the orangeutan cabal & Russia.
I cannot understand why they aren't leaning on their pet judge already - maybe they hope that doing that after they win if they win will make em seem fair and conciliatory to their new former rethug supporters.
One thing is for sure if the trial proceeds after a biden win, the dems will come out covered in shit & the odds of convicting a pardoned man are low specially given russia did no deal.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 29 2020 1:20 utc | 67
Time to call them all out.
To the self-proclaimed-and-proud-of-it ‘Iran needs nuke’ believer, the user ‘Arch Bungle” which refused to answer my questions on the Iran sanctions thread, and instead attacked psychohistorian.
To those posting here on Jan 8th, claiming it’s all kabuki theater, and I had to bring their attention to what really happened and the significance of it.
To all those believing Iran needs nukes, and more importantly Iran needs nuke umbrella.
To the mendacious warmonger posting here regularly and ask for abject apology when the war does start.
The Empire committed suicide on January 8th.
Here is a little teaser from an article by The Saker — a well revered author on this forum — he seems to have picked up some ideas from comment sections at this bar.
In my opinion, the moment when the Trump Administration made this statement is when the death certificate of the Empire was signed. Why?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55782.htm
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 29 2020 1:49 utc | 68
Regarding Hunters laptop and lack of discussion about it.
I believe it goes to the point that the msm controls discussion and perception.
I remember about 4 years ago a classically offensive yet valid comment on z/h to affect that clintons could be raping children on capital steps and nothing would be made of it.
Something akin to tree falling in forest and nobody present to witness it...
Posted by: jared | Oct 29 2020 1:52 utc | 69
I think "deep state" is a bit over dramatic.
More like permanent government with vested interest.
We need more turn-over.
Posted by: jared | Oct 29 2020 1:56 utc | 70
I have the impression that about 1/2 the world is so tired of their lot that they are ready and willing to accept servitude as long as it comes with a meal.
Posted by: jared | Oct 29 2020 2:00 utc | 71
Down South @ 24
I do not understand why the Democrats would want to over sample on their polls.
Two main reasons. First is the old "Nothing Succeeds Like Success" maxim. Biden is so blatantly corrupt, compromised, and mentally unfit that a large hurdle of the Dim's campaign is to convince people that he's an ordinary candidate perfectly acceptable to a majority of Americans--I mean, if all these people support him then he must be okay, right? And that sick feeling in your gut must be misplaced. You could say it's a form of gaslighting.
Second is one must remember that the color revolution playbook is in full swing in the US. Almost an obligatory first step in that playbook is to create a legend that X has large popular support prior to an upcoming election, such that when they fail miserably because they actually don't have majority support, you now have your grounds for shouting that the election must have been rigged, and so the result is illegitimate and the promoted puppet declared the "real" winner/leader. No need to even bother to ask international observers if the election was fair, because those amazing polls are enough. Cf Bolivia.
Posted by: J Swift | Oct 29 2020 2:01 utc | 72
addendum to #67
For those who haven't yet read the flynn transcripts here is an article which contains a link to the transcripts.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 29 2020 2:05 utc | 73
Mark2
Rather amusing that you demand free speech, truth and peace. All you really want is to silence the opinions of people you don't agree with. Free speech means free speech, it's not that complicated. Peace, or a civil discussion, means respecting the views of others - even when you disagree with those views. It doesn't mean calling people fascists or racists. As for truth, you're not interested in truth. You only care about eliminating people you don't like.
Posted by: EoinW | Oct 29 2020 2:06 utc | 74
Old Hippie RCP
Stands for Revolutionary Communist Party.
But it could be something else?
Posted by: CarlD | Oct 29 2020 2:24 utc | 75
@69 Yes but that doesn't explain the lack of interest in Hunter's exploits here on MOA. I think it's because most commenters see it as prurient tabloid stuf....which of course it is. I noticed the same thing with the Epstein/Maxwell case.
Posted by: dh | Oct 29 2020 2:41 utc | 76
And won't anyone think about the children?
Posted by: Mark3 | Oct 28 2020 20:27 utc | 19
I, for one, sleep more soundly knowing about the multitudes that think about the children every day. Clergy of various kinds, lolicons, ...
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 29 2020 2:43 utc | 77
Re: Trafalgar Group
They were on their game in 2016, but 2018 Senate polling was nothing special, other than Florida and Missouri. Notable R-bias. Wrong on Arizona and way off on Cruz's margin:
https://ig.ft.com/us-midterm-elections/what-to-watch/polls.html
Posted by: Schmoe | Oct 29 2020 2:48 utc | 78
Re: 71 Jared,
History has shown that once people show the weakness of accepting subservience, the next step is how crushing that subservience can be made by those with power. If 1/2 the world is foolish and stupid enough to trade their freedoms and independence for a "hot meal" as you say they will quickly find that the meal is cold, then that it is too small and finally gone entirely. Look no further than 9/11 even after 20 years those "temporary" and "emergency" measures are still with us (heck they've renewed the patriot act 5 times now it will NEVER go away).
US decline and a Soviet style collapse is baked in the cake now, the government will keep increasing its' surveillance powers aimed primarily at it's own citizens and the citizens of it's vassal states (China, Russia, Cuba, Iran and other adversarial states will ironically be protected by the sanctions the US imposes since these will keep the information of their citizens out of the mass surveillance program). The corrupt US government will then use this information not to protect the country or the people, but to protect and advance big business interests, slowly strangling the civilian economy with an inert monopoly economy. As the economy and people slowly die off, the country will become increasingly ungovernable at the Federal level until one of two things happen 1) the Economic elites decide that the best way to increase their economic/political power is to breakup the country (i.e. Soviet style breakup) or 2) populist movements in some states start pushing for independence and a demoralized military is unwilling/unable to impose Federal authority. option 1 would happen very quickly, perhaps over 2-3 years, but option 2 would be a long and dragged out affair last 20 years or so (Brexit on steroids)
Posted by: Kadath | Oct 29 2020 3:15 utc | 79
Almost an obligatory first step in that playbook is to create a legend that X has large popular support prior to an upcoming election, such that when they fail miserably because they actually don't have majority support, you now have your grounds for shouting that the election must have been rigged, and so the result is illegitimate and the promoted puppet declared the "real" winner/leader.
There is nothing like winning and the fruits of victory. With all those positions the president doles out why be an angry loser when you can be a happy winner? Unless chaos is the order of the day it makes no sense.
Who knows? I sure don't.
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 29 2020 3:24 utc | 80
Trump will lose not because Biden is better, IMO in some cases he is worse than Trump. But Trump has become boring, annoying and the average American Joe and Peggy have been fed up with it. Its like the show needs to be cancelled after the 4th season..
Posted by: Nick | Oct 29 2020 3:28 utc | 81
@21 Lucci
Sorry I should have been clearer, I was meaning the China stuff in particular, Ukraine is a money thing, China well that looks more like a sedition / treason thing to me.
Posted by: TJ | Oct 28 2020 22:35 utc | 38
In what way that's different with their Ukraine connection ? It's called lobbying. Things that perfectly okay in US political theatre. Otherwise you'd call Trump for treason as well for receiving Israeli money.
Posted by: Lucci | Oct 29 2020 3:37 utc | 82
@73Debsisdead
I don't give a damn what happens to Flynn cause Flynn is an Iran hater. He's getting what he deserves.
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Sometimes I think Covid showed up because people were too proud to admit who Trump really is, a fraud and a Con, and that they made a huge blunder putting him in office. Trump allowed for over 225,000 people to die just so he could suppress the bad news that was going to kill his Presidency.
I had the jerk pegged way before he came down the escalator at Trump Tower.
Anyway, Covid revealed that Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself and when the ship is sinking he'll throw women and children off the life raft to save himself.
Trump may have survived the virus, but Covid showed up to destroy Trump's Presidency and expose him without a shadow of a doubt
Posted by: Circe | Oct 29 2020 3:38 utc | 83
Today it's all about China:
Enlightening interview with retired general Qiao Liang (author of the 1999 book "Unrestricted Warfare"). In Spanish but nothing too technical, you can machine translate it:
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China eyes becoming world's largest consumer economy
China already has the world's largest middle class: 600 million people. Imagine the USA, two times, but without poverty; or the entire EU population plus one third of the USA, also without poor people. Just imagine - because you'll never get close to that in the West.
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Politically biased poll fails to show actual scientific facts
This is funny: the name of the institution that did the poll is called "YouGov-Cambridge Globalism Project". I'm not kidding.
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Targeting China no cure to woes of the US, India: Global Times editorial
The USA is with a strategy of "chiselling" China, trying to disperse its energy in a lot of small fronts at once: Xinjiang, India (Ladakh, with a possibility of escalation to near Tibet), South China Sea and Taiwan. The PLA is already aware of this tactic.
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Highly recommend reading this one. Why the West tells us China's GDP data are fake?:
@ blues| 62
A condensed version of that video interview of Tony Bobulinski, the Biden family's US business partner with the Chinese: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1321263064319217665
Sorry "Democrats", FBI or BLM, this cannot be whitewashed or vanished: the Biden's are for sale to the highest bidder, foreign or national and want to keep it secret. Alzheimer overcome.
Erratic Trump has his own pile of money from inherited physical real estate, not from virtual stock prices = safer.
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 29 2020 4:25 utc | 85
@55 migueljose
Thanks for the facts and forecasts on Bolivia.
Personally, I see what's happening south of the US border as being vastly more important than the appalling noise of useless dissension within the US borders - the bile of which we can easily taste in this thread.
One day, as portions of the US populace hit their boiling point - and it's begun already and will get much hotter - they will need examples from other countries of how to live an honest and meaningful life. I personally expect this to come from Latin America. Those countries were the first to suffer the modern neoliberal plunder, and have become the first to struggle consciously to throw it off.
Perhaps, in whatever remains of the banana republic north of the Rio Grande, decades from now the success and prosperity of its neighbors to the south will serve to inspire true political action, in a solidarity united against all the trivial and artificial divisions. And perhaps in turn this will result in a country with a future again.
Posted by: Grieved | Oct 29 2020 4:29 utc | 86
@76 dh I've tried (maybe clumsily) but I think Kompromat, which is used by all sides, is the one Elephant in the Room the Elites will close ranks over to preserve their privileges and status. God forbid the plebs would connect the dots and raise their pitchforks. Hence, silence, censorship, distraction, confusion, character if not real assasinations. Pedophilia, human trafficking, et al, the signs of late stage decadence of Empire, are too shocking for the average good citizen, full of trust and naivety about the depravity of the Elites, though the information is, thanks to an acceleration of access to information (and sloppiness) coming out to the surface..
Posted by: Lozion | Oct 29 2020 5:35 utc | 87
As a note to all you credulousity theorists who don't believe the mass media is controlled by the ruling class, it looks like YouTube is ALREADY having to roll back its coverup of the Joe/Hunter/Biden/Ukrain/China conspiracy. Boy, that escalated quickly! The original interview was 50min, 46sec long. Right about now, YouTube has released a 24min, 18sec version:
Tucker Carlson Tonight 10/28/20 | Tucker Carlson Oct 28, 2020
Some 'left wing' blogs will not let me post this. Does somebody actually think the Democrats are somehow progressive?
Posted by: Nick | Oct 29 2020 3:28 utc | 81 But Trump has become boring, annoying and the average American Joe and Peggy have been fed up with it. Its like the show needs to be cancelled after the 4th season..
I agree. However, OTOH, there's the fact that he has "fans" - just like TV shows have fans. The question is: 1) do all of his fans from 2016 want him to win this time, and 2) does he enough fans to beat Biden? I know Biden is a POS, but I can't stand another four years of Trump. It's like reading Oldhippie's troll paranoid BS for the next four years.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 29 2020 5:52 utc | 89
Antonym @ 84 -- "Sorry "Democrats", FBI or BLM, this cannot be whitewashed or vanished...."
Lozion @ 86 -- "Pedophilia, human trafficking, et al, the signs of late stage decadence of Empire...."
And "plausibly deniable" millions from Chinese chief spies sent to a SITTING Vice President's family.
Yet, Obanger Obummer pretends that his administration was "scandal free".
Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 29 2020 6:07 utc | 90
And "plausibly deniable" millions from Chinese chief spies sent to a SITTING Vice President's family.
Yet, Obanger Obummer pretends that his administration was "scandal free".
Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 29 2020 6:07 utc | 89
Funny that Trump and by extension Flynn became Russian assets or spies because media said so. You don't see any parallel with this whole China China China things ? I guess McCarthyism is another terms and times that Americans already forgotten about.
Posted by: Lucci | Oct 29 2020 6:23 utc | 91
This is hilariously stupid...
I can understand not wanting to email them because you want originals in such cases. But why no one *copied* the docs and emailed *those*, and why they were not sent by courier is just idiotic.
Unless, of course, it's all complete bullshit made up by Fox.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 29 2020 6:32 utc | 92
@EoinW | Oct 29 2020 2:06 utc | 74
Thank you. That character only describes himself.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2020 6:40 utc | 93
@Circe | Oct 29 2020 3:38 utc | 83
Trump may have survived the virus
He never had any virus. When you finally accept that you will be closer to reality.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 29 2020 6:46 utc | 94
Interesting developments regarding rare earth supplies from China:
https://smallcaps.com.au/china-sends-warning-cripple-us-defence-system-turning-off-rare-earths/
Posted by: Paul | Oct 29 2020 7:28 utc | 95
=> Richard Steven Hack | Oct 29 2020 6:32 utc | 91
One shouldn't be surprised if Tucker Carlson turns out to be oddly naive about transmitting potentially sensitive materials. I assume he's a basic journalist, rather than an intelligence operative. One could write a very fat book about how that needs to be handled. If you are sending illegal drugs, there's one set of rules. But if you are sending things that could cause trouble for powerful people, there are other rules. If you suspect that the day will come when you will have to do the latter, you will have some decoy item sent every week, with 'telltales' to disclose tampering. If the decoys get tampered with, you just won't send the hot stuff. But if you're just a pampered hot-shot journalist (and not Edward Snowden) you won't know things like that until it matters. It's very, very hard to spoof the big players. I always prefer security through obscurity, but that's not easy to pull off either. There is no room for trust when big money and power are in the game.
The born-again imperialists we handful of authentic anti-imperialists now see at every old place evidently have regressed to the same conclusion regarding both the covid propaganda and electoralism: There Is No Alternative to religiously believing and obeying the system.
Thus the same governments and media these fraudulent "skeptics" and "dissenters" always used to claim to know always lie and do nothing except toward what malevolent elites see as their interests, suddenly these same governments and media are speaking as the truthful voice of God and have only good intentions, and system institutions are well-meaning and competent.
And the elections these neoliberal elites promote, which these former dissenters used to claim to know are fakes, suddenly in THIS election everything really is at stake and one must vote against Trump. Again the media is truthful, institutions mean well and are competent except where Trump mysteriously obstructs them.
It's weird for one who really has burnt all his bridges a long time ago to see almost everyone that claimed to have done so suddenly rushing back over their very much intact bridges, back home to mainstream system conformity, back home to globalist mama.
Covid has done very little in physical reality but its indirect cultural and political effects have been extraordinary. One of those is how it so quickly proved once and for all how truly rare real opposition to malign imperial power is, how almost everyone that claims such opposition and lack of religious faith really is just striking a pose for as long as they feel they have the luxury of the pose.
But the second they feel any of the great changes they always claimed to want really is imminent, they regress to the mean and run home to mama. This great Migration of the Frauds began in 2016 and became a total mob stampede in 2020.
In the US a week from now our former revolutionaries will be shrieking "Biden won! Don't let Trump steal it! To the streets for the Democrats!"
My own position on the fake election remains the same as in 2016 - Trump is preferable because although he has the same broad agenda as his predecessors, his lack of discipline, his loutishness domestically and toward the world, the derangement he sows among so many in and out of the institutions, all are likely to help hasten the collapse of the US system.
This remains the most important proximate need, even though almost everyone who used to claim or even still claim to believe that have regressed to pro-US imperialism.
@76 Hunter Bidem likes drugs and sex. That doesnt make him very unusual. Normal recrrecreational activity for lots of people. I'm not sure how it will affect the election. The MSM won't talk about it and even Trump isn't making a big deal out of it.
Posted by: dh | Oct 29 2020 9:51 utc | 98
=> dh | Oct 29 2020 9:51 utc | 97
-// Hunter Biden likes drugs and sex. That doesnt make him very unusual. //-
Well yeah but he's also an active member of the Biden crime and treason family, as has been described here. I think that does make him a bit unusual.
re Circe # 83
You really are an unthinking partisan idiot, incapable of seeing, much less comprehending the big picture, aren't you circe?
If this were my blog I would ban you - not because of the childish slant you revert to even when complex matters need to be discussed, but because of your repeatedly proven inability to think outside the box.
One 'team' is black, & the other 'white', despite overwhelming evidence that informs all, even dembots such as yerself, that both gangs are populated by crooked arseholes, all of whom must be beaten if amerikans have the slightest hope of defeating the machine.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 29 2020 10:29 utc | 100
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"The Union Federation of Mining Workers of Bolivia (FSTMB) Secretary Orlando Gutierrez died on Wednesday after being hospitalized for several days because of the physical injuries he suffered after the general elections held on October 18..." Telesur reports today.
Guterriez was one of many MAS supporters and canvassers who were attacked by paramilitaries which are almost certainly sponsored by the CIA and NATO.
Another report, from the same source, is of calls for a military coup to prevent the MAS from regaining office.
Reminders that winning elections is merely the first and one of the least important steps in the conquest of power by democrats.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 28 2020 19:00 utc | 1