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October 15, 2020

Open Thread 2020-82

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https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2020/10/15/highly-infectious-covid-19-strain-may-have-been-imported-says-health-dg/
new strain, also detected in Marseille since 12 August, seems much more contagious
but the EU wants its planes and trains to continue help the "non-essential workers" who can afford it spread it wherever they can go on holidays!

Posted by: Mina | Oct 15 2020 18:34 utc | 1

Much of importance is emanating from Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs via Lavrov and Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova. As reported by TASS:

"The statement made by German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas, in which he said that the situation around Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny does not form part of Russian-Germany bilateral agenda is a ploy to hide Berlin’s course to destroy relations with Moscow, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said during Thursday’s briefing.

"'We consider such statements as some tactical ploy that serves to hide Germany’s course for destruction of bilateral ties. I would like to remind you that it was Berlin that used this situation to put forward unfounded accusations, ultimatums and threats against our country, openly disregarding its own international legal obligations on providing practical aid to Russia in the investigation of the incident with the Russian citizen. Once again, it is acting as the locomotive of new anti-Russian sanctions within the EU and other multilateral structures,' Zakharova pointed out."

That followed on the heels of yesterday's activities involving FM Lavrov. I previously linked to Lavrov's interview with several Russian radio stations, and to that I add the joint presser following his session with Italy's FM:

"Question: In response to the European sanctions, which I believe will follow in the wake of the 'Navalny case,' you said yesterday that Russia will have to suspend its contacts with European foreign ministers. Does this mean that today’s meeting with Luigi Di Maio may be the last with an EU foreign minister?

"Sergey Lavrov: The EU is increasingly replacing the art of diplomacy with sanctions. Clearly, the bad example of the United States is contagious. We see this not just as a bad example by the Americans, but also as a result of direct US pressure on its European allies and colleagues. Indeed, what we are saying now is that we want to understand what the EU is trying to accomplish. But this EU policy will not remain without consequences....

"With this EU approach in mind, where it completely ignores the real state of affairs regarding the implementation of the Minsk agreements and the fact that they have been blocked by official Kiev, we cannot disregard the statements coming from Brussels. In particular, President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen said that Russia has adopted a position that openly undermines EU interests, and that restoring the strategic partnership between Russia and the EU is out of the question before Russia changes its behaviour. I have already covered the Ukraine crisis, which is one of the key crises now, as it unfolds, and who precisely is blocking the implementation of the peace agreements.

"We are seeing similarly unfounded accusations in the case of Mr Navalny, which you mentioned. We hear our partners say that establishing the facts is of paramount importance. The trouble is that the facts concerning Mr Navalny’s time in Russia, on a Russian plane and in the Omsk hospital are well known and have been established by us inasmuch as we could, since several people involved in this incident have fled to Great Britain and Germany, and we do not know of their whereabouts. We are asking to be granted access to these people, but no constructive response is coming our way. We do not have the necessary facts. The West has them, but we are denied access to them. Yesterday, during a conversation with EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell, and today during talks with Luigi Di Maio, we heard a reiteration of the need to establish the facts. First off, the other side has no facts. Second, as we know, during a Monday meeting of the EU Foreign Affairs Council, the participants discussed the need for imposing sanctions, but Mr Borrell assured me that before such a decision can be made, it is imperative to study the facts that Germany and France promised to provide as part of a certain technical group that is now being created. We very much hope that these facts will be presented not only to a narrow group of European countries, but also directly to the party that is being, without proof, accused of all conceivable sins and crimes." [My Emphasis]

Today sanctions were applied without the promised examination of the facts. As reported by TASS, a partial response was made by Zakharova:

"'We call on the German foreign minister to refrain from interfering in domestic affairs of our union nation, either in word or in deed. We are convinced that the Belarusians need no instructions either from Berlin or any other capital city to reach accord on socially important matters they are concerned about,' she said. 'Aggressive interventions of the collective West in the internal political processes in third countries only entail the emergence of more crisis foci on the global map.'"

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2020 19:02 utc | 2

I’ll just leave this here then.
It puts an end the lockdown debate !!!
Hopefully those tiresome anal retentive off Gardian folk will crawl back under the stone or swamp they came from.
THE JOHN SNOW MEMORANDOM
https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/#

Take a look at the list of signatures.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2020 19:11 utc | 3

Here is some usefull background, and further usefull in depth reading ——-
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/johnsnowmemo

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2020 19:33 utc | 4

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2020 19:02 utc | 2

Thanks for posting russian official reactions to recent geopolitical issues with the EU, so that people can understand what is happening. And what is happening is that the EU has defined itself as enemy of Russia. Something many people could not believe it is happening.

In connection with that, i will repost a discussion of mine from another place.

Me: "Anyone who was talking about "independent EU", or "russian-german alliance", "EU rebellion against US", "Europe joining Russia and China", "European Army independent from NATO" has shit for brains and does not understand politics at all, no matter what his name or education or job was."

Commenter: "By this token, does it mean Patrick Lawrence has "sh*t for brains" for writing this piece? (About Europe allegedly moving closer to Russia in recent days)

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/10/06/patrick-lawrence-europe-going-its-own-way/
I guess I'll have to also inform Patrick Armstrong this once he writes his next Sitrep. I wonder what he'll think."

Me: "I actually saw that article of him before several days and i wondered whether to make a comment on that too, as an example of an "analyst" who does not understand at all what is happening.

Point 1: Nord Stream 2. He fails to understand that this is not a divorce with the US, rather an old german policy to buy russian energy. For example Germany approved pipelines from the USSR over Reagan's objections in the 80s. Did that mean that Germany was not hostile to the Soviet Union? Was not part of the Western block? No. It was a part of NATO containment strategies against the USSR and hoped to take over Eastern Europe after the USSR loses the Cold War.

Not to mention that there is talk that the pipeline will only be used at half capacity.

The fact that someone (Europe) likes money does not mean that that same someone does not secretly hate you, and will not stab you in the back as soon as it is safe to do so.

Point 2: more and more evidence emerges that Germany organised the Novichok incident with Navalny (see John Helmer on that).

Point 3 - failed to understand that it was Germany who pushed for sanctions on Russia after the Ukraine affair. Not to mention that Germany was involved in the anti-russian coup in Ukraine, as part of its old strategy of "drang nach osten" - "pressure to the east" - to take over Eastern Europe and its labor pool and use it the way the US uses Latin America.

Point 4 - failed to understand that the biggest force behind the colour revolution in Belarus was the EU, playing far bigger role than the US. Now, who tries to take over a russian populated country, near Moscow, histrorically part of the Russian Empire, where millions of russians died to stop the german invasion, a situation that will also seriously imperil the Kaliningrad enclave? Only someone who is hostile to Russia. This is a strategic act of hostility towards Russia.

Point 5 - failed to notice that France and Sweden recently put sanctions on aviation and industrial equipment for Russia.

Point 6 - is not aware that anti-chinese hatred in Europe has increased to all time highs, according to recent surveys.

Point 7 - mentions several empty statements from Merkel and Macron as a sign of "rebellion" without mentioning many other statements countering that - such as France and Germany saying that Russia should not be allowed back in G-7, or that Borrell (EU foreign policy chief) called Russia an old enemy of Europe, or that the french EU minister recently called on Europe to unite against Russia, or that the EU comission chief called for Europe to stand up to Russia, or that the European Parliament called the russian constitution "illegal" and called for the "democratisation of Russia" (aka colour revolution), or Germany stating recently that no european army independent from NATO is possible or will be supported by Germany, or the 5 german parties that begged the US not to withdraw troops from Germany.

Point 8 - has no idea of recent official russian statements on the EU, meaning that he lives in an alternate Universe.

"France and Germany are now leading the anti-russian block within Europe".

"There will be no more business as usual between Russia and France and Germany".

"Russia will not follow EU and US rules".

"Russia will no longer be dependent on the EU".

"Europeans have delusions of grandeur".

"Those people in the West who are responsible for foreign policy and do not understand the necessity of mutually respectable conversation--well, we must simply stop for a while communicate with them. Especially since Ursula von der Leyen states that geopolitical partnership with current Russia's leadership is impossible. If this is the way they want it, so be it. "

These are all statements by Lavrov and Zacharova.

So Lawrence does not even understand that there is a decoupling between Russia and EU taking place, and worsening of relations, instead of them getting closer, as he dreams in the daylight.

Analysts who understood the hostility of the EU towards Russia are M. K. Bhadrakumar and Alastair Crooke, and they wrote plenty on that recently."

Posted by: Passer by | Oct 15 2020 19:44 utc | 6

I recommend——-
Killwallstreet @ 5

That video absalutly nails it.

Totaly describes the past and present political situation in the U.K.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2020 19:47 utc | 7

A supplement to Karlof1's post at no 2

This is a report from John Helmer.
http://johnhelmer.net/the-german-defence-ministry-ordered-the-swedish-defence-laboratory-to-find-novichok-in-navalnys-blood-or-else/

One part is particularly worth keeping in mind and that is the physical condition of Navalny before leaving for Germany is known to the Russians. Note the alchohol and the massive internal formation of acetone in the body

Acute metabolic disorder....

- - - -
(repeat of my post on the last open thread. No. 333)
In the meantime in Omsk, where two days of blood, urine and other biomarkers were recorded for Navalny, Alexander Sabaev issued a report on Navalny's prior medical conditions and his biomarkers after the alleged poisoning. Sabaev is head of the acute poisoning department of the Omsk Emergency Hospital No. 1, chief toxicologist of the Omsk region and of the Siberian Federal District.

According to Sabaev, Navalny's blood levels were "six times higher than the norm for amylase, sugar and serum lactate; twice the normal level of leukocytosis, and the maximum level of acetonuria. In addition, alcohol (0.2 ppm) was found in the urine ...These are the metabolites, the substances which have been produced. These substances in large quantities cause pathological changes." According to Sabaev, "Navalny did not suffer from diabetes, so the tests showed that he had an acute metabolic disorder. 'An increase in the level of lactate and lactic acid, its excessive formation makes acidification of the blood. It should not be in such a quantity. There should be an indicator, let's say of 2; but we had an indicator of 12, that is six times more,' he said. According to the doctor, the level of internal acetone in Navalny's body was at maximum... Normally, acetone should be negative; that is, it should be excreted from the body, the specialist added. 'In this case, the carbohydrate metabolism suffered and completely different scenarios of development occurred. The body began to destroy itself from the inside."

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The Germans are being trained to transport US nukes in the newest NATO exercise called "steadfast moon". I wonder what is really going on and if the total lockdown is in expectation to the programmed start to a False-flag.
(Striking Syria because of the upcoming White helmets chlorine FF, or somewhere else?)


Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 15 2020 19:49 utc | 8

@Mark2 #3
the memorandum is notable in utterly failing to address several issues:
1) The policies advocated in the memorandum have not worked to "stop" COVID-19, as they were supposed to. Nowhere in the world has COVID-19 ceased - China even continues to have new outbreaks.
2) To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a medical professional, everything looks medical. But COVID-19 response isn't just medical - societies exist as tradeoffs between myriad choices.
The economic devastation caused by lockdowns and similar policies also has an effect on health. This is not discussed at all nor is a coherent medium or long term strategy addressing both economic and health tradeoffs included in the memorandum.
I said in February/March of 2020 that the COVID-19 situation would not resolve for at least 12-18 months. I have seen no evidence to date that this prognostication is pessimistic - if anything, it is optimistic.
And what is 100% clear is that no Western nation can survive 12-18 months of lockdowns. Their economies are service based, meaning lockdown induced service interruptions throw millions out of work / 30% or more of the jobs terminate.
Secondly, the majority of these service jobs are not well paid. For every CNN reporter broadcasting from their home, there are thousands to tens of thousands of barbers/stylists, restaurant cooks and servers, dog walkers, souvenir shop owners, hotel clerks, blackjack dealers and on and on who must live on nothing until the lockdowns end.
But the government can pay, you say. Yes and no. The government has forked out a lot of money in stimulus checks and CARES act unemployment top ups, but this doesn't replace actual economic activity. Much as increased borrowing has led to decreased economic activity per unit borrowed - a trend that has been going on for decades - an outright government funding of mass unemployment neither builds for the future (a la CCC spending in the FDR era) nor would it hold back time for those stuck in economic limbo during this period (what have you been doing for the past 12-18 months? Sitting at home watching TV).

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 15 2020 20:42 utc | 9

Demonizing Russia and China pays off in the "defense" budget. ..from the web...
WASHINGTON: As the Army urgently modernizes against Russia and China, which units get which new weapons first? How do they train? Where and how do they deploy?. . .
Actually it's Navy which benefits most from hyping the major US demon - China, which comes under the US Indo-Pacific combatant command.. Army will have to make do with the lesser demon Russia, and the European combatant command, which doesn't lessen the need to make up stuff about both countries.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 15 2020 20:47 utc | 10

Ciue @ 9
You know full well that the last lockdown was designed to fail. When it began to work they ended it.
So now who do you work for ?
Who pays you to come on MOA and spread your carefully crafted lies ?
I suspect your fairly high up the misinformation pay grade.
I’v been watching you. You’v been outed !!

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2020 21:01 utc | 11

Transcript of interview with radio stations Sputnik, Komsomolskaya Pravda and Govorit Moskva from yesterday. As I wrote in my previous comment related to this interview, there's a great deal of importance occurring. Here is just one of the many pointed questions:

"Question: This is a classic principle of international politics in recent years: All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

"You mentioned Germany and Nord Stream 2. The narrow question is what will we do if Germany abandons Nord Stream 2 after all? But I will formulate it more broadly; I’ve been wanting to put it to you – and others – for a long time. No matter what we do, we get sanctions in response. Some people believe that this doesn’t depend on what we do at all, doesn’t depend on our behaviour. There is an array of sanctions that was devised long ago and will be introduced in order to contain our economic, military and trade development, rather than make us change our behaviour. There will always be a 'Magnitsky case' or something else to be used as a pretext for sanctions. A lot of people die in US prisons, but we don’t introduce sanctions for this reason. Nor do we have the leverage to impose any more or less painful sanctions on them. If they are doing this anyway, isn’t it more advisable to stop deferring to them and defend our interests in the world on a broader basis? Isn’t it perhaps high time for us to decide what we would like to do about integration and whether we want to return to some form of a broader Union State? Should we perhaps articulate this in a clearer and more aggressive manner and work towards it, if sanctions are going to be introduced anyway?"

IMO, this isn't the usual sort of question Lavrov gets and includes things I'd like to ask him myself, and there are others:

"Question: Shouldn’t we perhaps act more boldly? Send troops to Donbass? Put things in order openly? Where is the problem, if sanctions are pending anyway?"

And:

"Question: Our listeners are calling us all the time telling us that Russia should stop expressing concern about a particular situation, but rather be more assertive or even aggressive in promoting our agenda and initiate processes rather than respond to someone else’s moves.

"We talked about Svetlana Tikhanovskaya. She is going places, meeting with presidents and making a home in a neighbouring EU country. Are we ready for a change of power in Belarus? Do we have Plan B other than President Lukashenko? Often, the power changes in the wake of certain events, sometimes a revolution, sometimes something else, and we find out that we don’t have a plan and are not sure what we should be doing."

I'll paste Lavrov's answer to the above question and let readers attend to getting the rest:

"Sergey Lavrov: I believe we must see the picture in its entirety, especially when it comes to our closest allies. We have lived in one state for many years, even centuries. However, we should not behave like the Americans. I cannot agree with this. They are rude, impolite and brazen, although they are trying to teach everyone to respect the right of each nation to decide on their future. They are trying to articulate this right through their embassies, as was the case in Kiev during the two Maidan protests. Everyone is well aware of the location and the number of FBI and CIA officers in the Ukrainian government buildings. They are now doing the same thing in Moldova, by the way. We can see this from the US ambassador’s public statements. They are promoting their interests in the South Caucasus republics which we are also aware of.

"However, I’m convinced that we should not be using these methods. It is important for us to see the potential future of our allies and the steps that will allow us to maintain good and mutually beneficial relations with them regardless of their domestic political events.

"As far as Belarus is concerned, I’m convinced that our policy seeking to support the constitutional reform process, which, as I just mentioned, was initiated by President Lukashenko, and which we see (and talk about this publicly) as a good opportunity to start a truly national dialogue with the involvement of that country’s political force, is the best we can come up with under these circumstances.

"We said we will recognise the results of the presidential election. We are convinced that our Western partners’ attempts to question them, or to claim that the percentage was lower, or to demand that we now agree to have the OSCE intervene and resolve this situation, are an exercise in futility.

"It was our and Minsk’s Western partners who slapped the OSCE on the wrist so that it doesn’t accept President Lukashenko’s invitation to send observers for them to see how these presidential elections were being organised and held. Claiming that only the OSCE is in a position to make a difference in these circumstances at a time when it simply missed its chance to contribute to channeling the events towards an outcome conducive to further development of the Belarusian state, is at least incorrect. President Lukashenko said that he is not holding on to power, and that, following the constitutional reform, he is prepared to consider early presidential and parliamentary elections. If we want to help the Belarusian people maintain its unity and achieve prosperity, we must cut short anyone’s ultimatums and attempts at violent protests and, of course, encourage law enforcement officers to also be guided by the law and respond in a proportionate manner. This is our position which we publicly stated on many occasions." [My Emphasis]

The following is perhaps the most important part of the exchange and comes as a question:

"Question: They [Minsk Accords] have been articulated in Russia’s interests, only they are not complied with. This is why, when you say that we must uphold our interests under the international law, I’m always tempted to ask you if it really exists. But I won't ask you this question, because it is a rhetorical one. We, journalists, think there is no longer such a thing as international law. The only real thing is what is happening 'on the ground' and what we can see with our own eyes.

"We can see how Belarus almost went up in flames and how Kyrgyzstan effectively blazed up. This is what is happening now. We have already covered Nagorno-Karabakh. Our colleagues from Sputnik in Moldova and Georgia are telling us that they are bracing up, because things will get scary too. Is this the result of our confrontation with the United States and other above-mentioned forces? Or, is it about deliberately rocking the boat and wreaking havoc near our borders? Or, is it because these countries are just a mess? Do we need to be more proactive in order to stop this?" [My Emphasis]

And the interview goes on and the transcript is not yet completely posted. It's by far the longest most involved discussion I've seen Lavrov engage in where the results are there for the public to hear/read. Lavrov reveals aspects of his personality and biases I've never encountered before which I deem very important. And the views and emotions expressed by the journalists are also very important since we seldom get to learn of them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2020 21:06 utc | 12

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 15 2020 19:11 utc | 3

Dear Mark, please look at Sweden, Nicaragua and Belarus. There is nothing like real life evidence on lockdown (no-lockdown in deed).

Other facts:
- there is no more death other than flu-like numbers.
- There is a lot of pain on people under lockdown, as John Snow report recognize.

No Sir, JS Memo is nothing new.

Do you know what WHO bosses are telling us now on lockdown?

Regards

Posted by: Roberto | Oct 15 2020 21:25 utc | 13

In 2016, Trumpster injected $10,000,000 cash into his campaign.

Say what?!! How could he do that when he was and is in the hole for $440 Million?!

Robert Mueller dropped the ball. He shut down an entire floor of the Federal Appeals Court in Washington to try to execute a subpoena against an Egyptian Bank that was suspected of having transferred the $10,000,000 to the Trump campaign.

The case to subpoena the bank's records was taken all the way to the Supreme Court. Mueller lost the fight, but transferred the criminal campaign finance violation case to prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney's Office and it was closed in July, but can be reopened at a later date.

I doubt Egypt was involved. That Egyptian bank was probably a conduit and a decoy.

This is a very important case not only because it has the potential to land Trump with criminal charges, but you know, I have always suspected maybe an Israeli oligarch living in Israel next door to the Egyptian bank could be the party involved in this case of foreign campaign finance.

We'll see if proof arises. I hope so. His taxes could reveal something.

Trump's as dirty as they come.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 15 2020 21:26 utc | 14

Russia guilty (as charged) of "proliferation and use of chemical weapons"
Oct 15 - excerpts of EU doc

Official Journal of the European Union
(Non-legislative acts)
COUNCIL IMPLEMENTING REGULATION (EU) 2020/1480 of 14 October 2020 implementing Regulation (EU) 2018/1542 concerning restrictive measures against the proliferation and use of chemical weapons

Having regard to Council Regulation (EU) 2018/1542 of 15 October 2018 concerning restrictive measures against the proliferation and use of chemical weapons(1), and in particular Article 12 thereof, . . .On 2 September 2020, the Government of the Federal Republic of Germany announced that a specialised laboratory of the Federal Armed Forces had found evidence that Alexei Navalny had been subject to poisoning with a toxic nerve agent of the Novichok group. That finding was subsequently corroborated by laboratories in France and Sweden, as announced on 14 September 2020. . .This Regulation shall enter into force on the date of its publication in the Official Journal of the European Union. . .
Next comes a list of six Russians plus the State Scientific Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 15 2020 21:28 utc | 15

Colombia Reports: The human rights commission of the Organization of American States expressed its “deep concern” on Monday over increased violence in Colombia’s historically war-torn regions. In a statement, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR) said to be particularly alarmed by a recent increase in massacres. According to the IACHR, the United Nations confirmed 42 massacres so far this year and is verifying another 13.

Brasil Wire: The frontrunner in Bolivia’s presidential election has attacked Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro for what he called interference in Bolivian sovereignty. In an interview with TeleSUR, Luis “Lucho” Arce said that the Brazilian far-right President owed Bolivians an explanation for what he called “anti-democratic and non-diplomatic activities” of its embassy in La Paz.

Venezuelanalysis: Over 100 political parties are due to participate, including 95 which are not backing government candidates.

Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 15 2020 21:29 utc | 16

Much thanks to Passer by @6 and Stonebird @8 for their replies and excellent additions of information. The outright law breaking mostly being done by the Republicans is rapidly approaching a critical point with deploying illegal ballot boxes:

"Defiantly doubling down on its contested use of unofficial ballot drop boxes in three counties, the California Republican Party on Wednesday said it would ignore an order from the state's top election official—and a threat of prosecution from its top law enforcement official—and continue operating the bogus boxes."

And breaking longstanding Congressional rules of procedure:

"Under committee rules, at least two members of the minority party must be present for a vote to take place. But on Thursday morning, with Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) the only Democrat in attendance, Graham moved forward with a motion setting Barrett's Judiciary Committee vote for 1:00 pm ET on October 22."

And that's just the reports from today. Please note how they match the behavior Lavrov describes within the interview I linked @12. The Outlaw US empire's policy of fomenting chaos everywhere is now being deployed domestically.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2020 21:43 utc | 17

Mark2,

Your suggestion that another commenter is paid raises the suspicion that you are paid yourself. After all, the idea has occurred to you.

I noticed your extreme reaction many weeks ago to my rejection of the media story that George Floyd was a saint murdered by evil policemen. Now we know that he died of a drug overdose. Now you're criticizing skeptics about the establishment's covid narrative.

In both cases, you have attacked people who reject an establishment narrative. And the establishment has lots of money.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 15 2020 21:51 utc | 18

Eight States Parties declared their possession of chemical weapons when they joined the Chemical Weapons Convention treaty in 1997 including Albania, India, Iraq, Libya, Russia, South Korea, Syria, and the United States. Only the United States has not completed the destruction of its declared chemical weapons.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 15 2020 21:51 utc | 19

This should rile up China a bt more. "Foreign Minister" Joseph Wu of Taiwan was interviewed today by IndiaToday's Geeta Mohan....excerpt...

Q. Is it time that the UN recognises Taiwan to settle matters once and for all? Although a veto-yielding China would never allow that.
Ans. I would say that it is time for the international community and the international organisations to consider seriously the existence of Taiwan and to think seriously and how to incorporate Taiwan into the international organisations.
Anyone who has any experience with Taiwan... we have 23 million people even though it's much smaller than India, but at least it is a mid-sized country. Taiwan is a democracy. We have a democratic government that is publicly and democratically elected by the people here in Taiwan and we also have a vibrant press, freedom of speech is observed by the government.
And, therefore, for the international community to understand that Taiwan is in existence outside China is going to be very important. Many countries believe that there is a "One China policy" and that China represents Taiwan but that is not true.
Historically, beginning from 1949, Taiwan has not been any part of China and that is beginning from the day that the People's Republic of China was established. The two sides are separate.
And, therefore, China cannot represent Taiwan internationally and only the democratically elected government in Taiwan can lawfully represent the Taiwanese people. Taiwanese people have the same right as the right of any other country to be represented in international organisations, in the UN or UN-affiliated organisations.
We are not just trying to pursue our participation in international organisations such as the UN or the WHO, what we want to do is to be able to make contributions to international society. We have been working together with some other democratic countries in making Taiwan's contribution and we are a country that is well experienced in dealing with public health issues and therefore during the pandemic we have been providing assistance to many other countries in terms of relief material or other type of assistance. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 15 2020 22:28 utc | 20

@karlof1 — “ The Outlaw US empire's policy of fomenting chaos everywhere is now being deployed domestically.”

Absolutely spot-on incisive comment !!!

Posted by: norecovery | Oct 15 2020 22:34 utc | 21

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2020 21:06 utc | 12

I had the impression the interview was intended primarily for internal consumption since no foreign media was present, but knowing that it was going to be looked at with a magnifying glass, like every other element of the information war in process.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 15 2020 22:46 utc | 22

Karlofi @ 112

I find it very interesting that the Russian Journalists ask questions like the ones shown.

I doubt we would ever see questions like those in the land of the free.

Posted by: arby | Oct 15 2020 22:48 utc | 23

Early Voting

Drove by polling place.
Did a possibly legal u-turn.
Line was long.
Would have liked to have seen more masks.

Could Republicans be daring Democrats and us Greens to show up?
Don't wear masks and you can have the line to yourselves.
Wonder if Republicans have thought about that?

Posted by: librul | Oct 15 2020 22:54 utc | 24

Trump Is Hellbent on Provoking a New Cold War

Trump’s famous promise to “Make America Great Again” (MAGA) should have come with the caveat that he planned to do so by provoking a New Cold War with China and Russia. He led his supporters into thinking that he meant to focus more on internal issues than international ones, which some in hindsight wrongly portrayed as quasi-isolationalism. Lo and behold, however, MAGA has arguably turned into the most aggressive US foreign policy in decades, which makes it extremely dangerous for global stability.

Truth be told, Trump did imply something of the sort while on the campaign trail, but few realized how far he intended to go.

It’s not just China that’s victimized by Trump’s MAGA strategy but Russia as well despite Trump’s opponents continuing to claim that he’s under the influence of Moscow. He once bragged about how “I have been FAR tougher on Russia than Obama, Bush or Clinton. Maybe tougher than any other President”, pointing to his intense sanctions regime against the country that he once promised on the campaign trail to partner with. NATO has also expanded its military forces and infrastructure closer to Russia’s borders during this time too.

The Trump Administration believes that the combined effect of these three simultaneous Hybrid War fronts against what it regards as its two main rivals will result in “decoupling” them from their primary partners across the world, thereby leading to their “isolation”. As a means to that end, the US is provoking a New Cold War, the acknowledgement of which debunks the notion that MAGA is a “peaceful”, “inward-looking”, “isolationist” strategy. To the contrary, it’s the most aggressive and dangerous US foreign policy in decades.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-hellbent-provoking-new-cold-war/5725187

Posted by: Passer by | Oct 15 2020 23:00 utc | 25

To the surprise of nobody:

‘Reprehensible Behavior’: US Elites Privately Briefed About COVID-19 Dangers in February

Posted by: vk | Oct 15 2020 23:10 utc | 26

Passer by @25--

Hard to disagree with Korybko given events. IMO, I think China has the best option for doing something proactive to make the most of what's happening, and that's to solve the Taiwan issue before the end of the year.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 15 2020 23:15 utc | 28

lysias @Oct15 21:51 #18

Now we know that he died of a drug overdose.

No, we don't know that.

We know that's what some people would like us to believe. The claim that "George Floyd killed himself" has been debunked. But those that WANT to believe that nonsense can't let it go.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 15 2020 23:31 utc | 29

A Desperate Trump Rallies in Iowa as He Cancels Ads, Loses Ground
The grim reality of the coronavirus pandemic is hanging over the president’s proof of life tour.


If he loses Iowa, it will be seen as a referendum on his national response to the coronavirus. Few states have embodied Trump’s mandate to “not be afraid” of Covid-19 like Iowa has. Since the early days of the pandemic’s spread through the United States, Iowa’s unified Republican state government and particularly its governor have been lockstep with Trump, refusing to institute a statewide mask mandate and keeping masks optional for in-person learning. Iowa surpassed California in cases-per-million in early September and hasn’t looked back.

The absence of a mask mandate has resulted in “unnecessary transmission and deaths,” according to reports from Trump’s own White House. Iowa has counted over 100,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and over 1,500 deaths as a result in a state with a population that barely tops 3 million. Health care is consistently cited by Iowa voters as a major issue, and the pandemic has only exacerbated already present issues in the state’s privatized Medicaid and led to layoffs at hospitals. The two days prior to Trump’s arrival in the state saw new records for coronavirus-related hospitalizations.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 15 2020 23:36 utc | 30

Roberto @Oct15 21:25 #13

Do you know what WHO bosses are telling us now on lockdown?

Yeah, the WHO is saying that lockdowns shouldn't be the PRIMARY way of fighting SARS-COV-2. They aren't against lockdowns, they are FOR using lockdowns in an appropriate way.

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South Korea, Taiwan and other countries fought SARS-COV-2 without lockdowns and without the stupidity of "herd immunity". Why do you (and other anti-lockdown folks) ignore their methods?

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 15 2020 23:38 utc | 31


Trump Brags About U.S. Marshals Killing an Antifa Activist in Violent Raid


Trump: We sent in the US Marshals, took 15 minutes and it was over... They knew who he was, they didn’t want to arrest him and 15 minutes that ended.

The consensus on Twitter appears to be exemplified by these tweets:

Spencer Ackerman @attackerman
5h
This is an admission of state-sanctioned murder. If there is no accountability, it will happen again.

Micah Lee @micahflee
4h
The President bragging about ordering the domestic assassination of a political enemy, a US citizen

Of course, everyone will bring up Obama's drone assassination - but that was done overseas. As usual, government murder is turned on citizens in country. No surprise there. This is but one reason why murder of any government official is correct action.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 15 2020 23:47 utc | 32

Mark2 #11
and your attack below on ciue

You know full well that the last lockdown was designed to fail. When it began to work they ended it.
So now who do you work for ?
Who pays you to come on MOA and spread your carefully crafted lies ?
I suspect your fairly high up the misinformation pay grade.
I’v been watching you. You’v been outed !!

Be careful with that broad brush eugene. Lockdown worked fine in some places and was an abject failure in others. It may have been designed to fail where you are but not others. It was not ended when it began to work in many countries but maybe not yours.

Complaining about off-guardian using a broad brush to condemn lockdown and then you yourself wielding a broad brush to apply your national failures on others is pretty poor.

Lockdown may work, high public caution and preventive measures may work, contact tracing and enforced quarantine may work - but a functioning system of prevention needs ALL systems activated. You won't see that in the UK as they have dismantled their systems coordination because -"there is no such thing as society" and the same idiocy applies in the USA.

Sweden is a renegade in the lockdown alone stakes but a compliant diligent actor in the preventive public health measures stakes. Perhaps its workers enjoy high enough incomes to obviate the need for two cleaning jobs at different centres thus breaking the transmission cycle. I don't know - but I sure don't run around spraying 'look at the failure' hysterics about their method. Virus epidemics are long term things and it would be wise of humans to maintain a calm measured approach.

In my land a few infected people have broken the quarantine provisions between states, they then partied hard and frequented numerous public bars and clubs and worked in aged care centres while infected. Not one single consequential infection ensued. Should I leap on the 'its a hoax' bandwagon? No. Infection is like that, its hit and miss, plus extraordinary serendipity plays its hand when you least expect it.

Remain calm and do keep referencing collective opinions like the manifesto although I do note that they FAILED to mention China as a success story in the lockdown list and it just happens to be one of the largest populations on earth with many of the densest concentrations of humans on earth and one of the most effective health systems on earth.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2020 23:48 utc | 33

Norway Accuses Russia of Cyber Attack on Parliament


Despite not specifying what information prompted its conclusions, the country’s foreign ministry is convinced of its findings.

Russia considers the accusations by the Norwegian authorities of the cyber attack as a provocation


"Millions of cyber attacks are made annually on Russian state Internet resources (including foreign institutions in Norway) from abroad (for example, 77 million attacks were made on the Foreign Ministry website in January-September 2018), but this does not give the right to accuse the authorities of the countries of their possible origin,” stressed the Embassy.

They pointed out that "in May 2020, a note was sent to the Norwegian Foreign Ministry setting out the procedure for dealing with computer incidents - there are official channels for investigating them." "There was no reaction at the time, which indicates the reluctance of the Norwegian authorities to conduct a dialogue. The question is why did we create specialized response mechanisms and create a legislative framework together with European countries? We expect explanations from the Norwegian side,” said the diplomatic mission.

Of course, we all know who is really behind this sort of thing.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 15 2020 23:53 utc | 34

Circe #14

"Trump's as dirty as they come."

Nah ! Clinton Foundation beats him hands down. They have bigger better dirt than Trump - ask Haitian people they know dirt.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 15 2020 23:56 utc | 35

Passer by @Oct15 19:44 #6

... what is happening is that the EU has defined itself as enemy of Russia. Something many people could not believe it is happening.

Thank you for highlighting this.

There are many false narratives that are being pushed. I still remember the "Erdogan is turning east!" and "Putin is a Zionist" crap.

Another is that Trump is an "populist" fighting the Obama-loving, trans-loving, socialist-leaning, "globalist" establishment and that Trump is an underdog in the Presidential race (see Richard Steven Hack @Oct 152020 23:36 #30: "A Desperate Trump Rallies in Iowa ..."). This conveniently ignores facts like:

  • Hillary was also said to be in the lead in 2016;
  • people don't like to identify as a Trump supporter/voter (so polls aren't accurate);
  • the Democrats have shot themselves in the foot multiple times - so much so that it's difficult to believe that they want to win;
  • Trump has done everything that the establishment might've wanted him to do.
    - tax cuts;

    - increased military spending;

    - overwhelming support for Israel;

    - Wall Street and Boeing bailouts;

    - China smack-down; anti-Maduro; etc.


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 16 2020 0:00 utc | 36

China's Man in Washington - Move Over, Hunter Biden. Meet Eric Branstad, The China Ambassador's Son Who Got Rich In Trump's Swamp

Relative to the Biden emails story:


The unusual source of the emails — a laptop repairman in contact with Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who has repeatedly tried to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden’s work in Ukraine — has raised suspicions about the Post story.

And this is how political influence works:


As the eldest of Terry Branstad’s three children, Eric Branstad grew up immersed in the state’s insular political world. In his teenage years, he was often the one making the headlines. In 1991, at the age of 16, he drove a van originally purchased by his father’s campaign committee across a median into a head-on collision that killed two people. The crash sparked a political scandal and a highly public lawsuit. According to the Des Moines Register, Eric Branstad ended up paying only $34.50 in fines and court costs for improper passing, a penalty that many Iowans saw as reflecting his father’s influence.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 16 2020 0:03 utc | 37

karlof1 #17

"The Outlaw US empire's policy of fomenting chaos everywhere is now being deployed domestically."

Very true. I suspect that has been the case for at least fifty years.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2020 0:04 utc | 38

Facebook and Twitter Cross a Line Far More Dangerous Than What They Censor
Just weeks before the election, the tech giants unite to block access to incriminating reporting about their preferred candidate.


The Post’s explanation of how these documents were obtained is bizarre at best —- they claim that Hunter Biden indefinitely left his laptop containing the emails at a repair store, and the store’s owner, alarmed by the corruption they revealed, gave the materials from the hard drive to the FBI and then to Rudy Giuliani.


The two Silicon Valley giants saw that hostile climate and reacted. Just two hours after the story was online, Facebook intervened. The company dispatched a life-long Democratic Party operative who now works for Facebook — Andy Stone, previously a communications operative for Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, among other DC Democratic jobs — to announce that Facebook was “reducing [the article’s] distribution on our platform”: in other words, tinkering with its own algorithms to suppress the ability of users to discuss or share the news article. The long-time Democratic Party official did not try to hide his contempt for the article, beginning his censorship announcement by snidely noting: “I will intentionally not link to the New York Post.”

While I will intentionally not link to the New York Post, I want be clear that this story is eligible to be fact checked by Facebook's third-party fact checking partners. In the meantime, we are reducing its distribution on our platform.
— Andy Stone (@andymstone) October 14, 2020

I've been trying to post a link to b's post on the Biden emails to Twitter for the last half hour. Can't do it. Twitter just says "There's something wrong" - but it still posts new tweets to my timeline. So they're definitely deliberately censoring anything that references the Biden emails.

See, this is why we need a law that does two things: 1) Remove large Internet platforms from being sued for content posted by their users, and 2) outlaw their ability to censor that same content by algorithm or manually. Then and only then would we have a chance to see everything. If that turns these platforms into 4chan or 8chan - so be it. You could always have the ability to "mute" posts or content providers you don't like.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 16 2020 0:20 utc | 39

Uncle tungsten @ 33
I respect your views but don’t agree with much you say in your @33
The point I should make clear is this ——-
The covid debate is now over !
The fire is now out of control.
We have no time for a post match debate.
Now is the time to protect you life and loved ones.
It’s over.
Stay safe uncle.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2020 0:20 utc | 40

Stonebird @ 8:

That's interesting information about Alexei Navalny.

Assuming that the translation of what Alexander Sabaev says is correct, and that Navalny indeed was not diabetic (though we do not know if he was in a pre-diabetic state), then we have to assume that he, as Sabaev says, did have an acute metabolic disorder or he had been drinking moonshine made from alcoholic substances containing acetone.

Article on acetone poisoning at this link may prove helpful while reading John Helmer's post.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 16 2020 0:23 utc | 41

The autopsy showed Floyd had a fatal level of fentanyl in his blood. What the police officers did to him was an authorized procedure of the Minneapolis Police Department.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 16 2020 0:24 utc | 42

lysias @Oct16 0:24 #42

Floyd had a fatal level of fentanyl in his blood.

Not fatal to a man of his size or someone whose system has acclimated to the drug (due to repeated use).

=
What the police officers did to him was an authorized procedure ...

The procedure is authorized to subdue a suspect. It was continued WELL PAST the point that Floyd was unresponsive.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 16 2020 0:38 utc | 43

I hear Biden on ABC’s townhall whining about Trump’s covid response. Here are the facts: ten days ago I watched a Frontline episode titled “America's Medical Supply Crisis” on PBS (hardly a conservative outfit!) in which 2 things were crystal clear: (A) Forth Worth, TX was the “world capital” of N95 and medical masks production until China was admitted to the WTO and all but one companies shut down (China entered the WTO with Biden’s full support and the blessings of the democratic administration at the time). (B) In the early 2000’s (during Bush’s administration) Funds were appropriated and the FEMA warehouses were filled up with masks and other PPE. When H1N1 hit (during the Obama/Biden administration) the warehouses were emptied and supplies never got replenished, i.e., the warehouses were empty when Trump came in! Moreover, a 3M factory making masks in China was prohibited by the Chinese to export masks. So, before Joe whines that Trump “didn’t do enough”, he should man up and look himself in the mirror.

Posted by: Bill | Oct 16 2020 1:00 utc | 44

C1ue is dead wrong, Mark2 is right.

Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of public health knows that the Snow memorandum is sanity compared to the 'herd immunity' chimera.

China has had a few leaky cases from international travel but it has built precisely the institutional capacity to fully suppress covid. New Zealand did too. So did Vietnam.

The reason why the asshole nations of the world are heading toward another covid crescendo is that they are pathetic capitalist nations that put profit above everything else. They are ruled by know-nothing tools corporate profit.

Any industrialized nation in the OECD could stamp out covid in 8 weeks. The means to do so are simple and easy. Where there is out-of-control transmission, hard lock downs are needed for 6-8 weeks. During that time, the state must provide UBI and build up a massive testing and tracing system. Hard borders must be put in place for areas deemed free of covid, and strict quarantine rules must be put in place for anyone entering such safe zones.

Anyone saying these measures aren't possible are only repeating the dogmas of capitalism -- that the state shouldn't interfere with the market or use the wealth of society for social purposes.

At the end of the day, the covid crisis boils down to which class do you support. Those who are against lockdowns, masks and public health systems are vile tools for capital. The rest of us serve the people, especially the working class.

Posted by: Prof K | Oct 16 2020 1:02 utc | 45

@ karlof1 | Oct 15 2020 21:06 utc | 12... thanks karlof1.. much appreciated...

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2020 1:04 utc | 46

personally on covid it seems to me the higher numbers are based off much higher rates of testing going on at present, compared to previously... also it seems to me the numbers of dead are not increasing... i am just trying for a wee bit of neutrality on all this and i know it is impossible to get... it is such a polarizing topic, much more so then the usa election coming up as i read it...

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2020 1:06 utc | 47

Mark2 #40

The fire is not out of control. The virus is fully suppressed here and in many parts of the world.

There will be no ukusi visitors to my country for the next few years. Your embassy is mostly shut down. Your global finance parasite is subdued. That fire is under control to some extent.

We are free to trade with reliable virus free nations that have excellent systems of pandemic suppression.

We are safe now.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 16 2020 1:07 utc | 48

Lemme say this: NBC--GO TO HELL.

What a disaster that Trump Town Hall was with that stupid bobbleheaded woman in the background with red mask on the right. Couldn't NBC move the camera on a commercial break to get her out of frame???

NBC failed in a stunning way giving Trump free air time after he chickened out of the debate.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 16 2020 1:13 utc | 49

@ circe... who are you predicting to win this election?? thanks...

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2020 1:19 utc | 50

Uncle @ 48
Glad to here all of that, have a peaceful night ! You have my best regards.
Reality and those who follow it will prefail.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2020 1:27 utc | 51

Commenter: "By this token, does it mean Patrick Lawrence has "sh*t for brains" for writing this piece? (About Europe allegedly moving closer to Russia in recent days)

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/10/06/patrick-lawrence-europe-going-its-own-way/
I guess I'll have to also inform Patrick Armstrong this once he writes his next Sitrep. I wonder what he'll think."


Hey, I was the one who wrote that. I think it was on Andrei Martyanov's blog. This one, wasn't it?

Posted by: Digby | Oct 16 2020 2:38 utc | 52

Did anyone watch that Trump “townhall” on NBC? The first 21 minutes were an attempt by Guthrie to show that she’s a smart ass! How she became a journalist and how come she is still on a TV network with such attitude? She was continuously interrupting Trump and bitching about everything. Unbelievable. Someone needs to tell her not to act like a b@tch on national TV.

Posted by: Bill | Oct 16 2020 3:15 utc | 53

it appears the 100 years old BCG tuberculosis vaccine might be helpful in fighting covid: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54465733


Scientists in the UK have begun testing the BCG vaccine, developed in 1921, to see if it can save lives from Covid.

The vaccine was designed to stop tuberculosis, but there is some evidence it can protect against other infections as well.

Around 1,000 people will take part in the trial at the University of Exeter.

But while millions of people in the UK will have had the BCG jab as a child, it is thought they would need to be vaccinated again to benefit.

Vaccines are designed to train the immune system in a highly targeted way that leaves lasting protection against one particular infection.

But this process also causes wide-spread changes in the immune system. This seems to heighten the response to other infections and scientists hope it may even give our bodies an advantage against coronavirus.

Previous clinical trials have shown the BCG jab reduced deaths by 38% in newborns in Guinea-Bissau, mostly by reducing cases of pneumonia and sepsis.
Studies in South Africa linked the vaccine to a 73% reduction in infections in the nose, throat and lungs; experiments in the Netherlands showed BCG reduced the amount of yellow fever virus in the body.

"This could be of major importance globally," Prof John Campbell, of the University of Exeter Medical School, told the BBC.

"Whilst we don't think it [the protection] will be specific to Covid, it has the potential to buy several years of time for the Covid vaccines to come through and perhaps other treatments to be developed."

The UK trial is part of the international Brace-study, which is also taking place in Australia, the Netherlands, Spain and Brazil, recruiting 10,000 people in total.

It will focus on health and care workers, as they are more likely to be exposed to coronavirus, so researchers will know more quickly if the vaccine is effective.
Baby being given a BCG jabimage copyrightGetty Images

Sam Hilton, a GP from Exeter, is taking part in the trials since, as a doctor, he is at higher risk of catching Covid.

"There's quite a good theory BCG might make you less likely to get unwell when you get Covid," he told the BBC.

"So I see it as a potential for me to get protected a bit, which means I'm more likely to come to work this winter."

Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director general of the World Health Organization, is one of the authors of a Lancet article saying the BCG vaccine has the potential to "bridge the gap before a disease-specific vaccine is developed".

"This would be an important tool in the response to Covid-19 and future pandemics," the article states.

However, the BCG vaccine will not be a long-term solution.

Any enhanced resilience to Covid is expected to wane meaning people who were immunised with BCG in childhood would no longer have protection. BCG has not been routinely used in the UK since 2005 because levels of tuberculosis are so low.

Additionally, the vaccine will not train the immune system to produce the antibodies and specialist white blood cells that recognise and fight off the coronavirus.
End game

The big goal remains a vaccine that specifically targets the coronavirus. Ten such vaccines are in the final stages of clinical research, including the one developed at the University of Oxford.

Prof Andrew Pollard, from the Oxford Vaccine Group, told the BBC: "The way that most vaccines work is to make a very specific immune response against the germ you are trying to prevent.

"But in order to make a good immune response, there is also a rather non-specific 'souping-up' of the immune response and that changes the way the immune system is able to respond in the future.

"The problem we have today is I can't tell you what you could do with other vaccines to try to improve your ability to respond to coronavirus because we have no evidence at all."

All of us in the olde communists countries have been vaccinated with BCG. Suck to be USA. THose American idiots found I was TB positive and didnt know shit, so they were going to give me a TB med. Luckily my mother remembered and explained to them how we were vaccinated and that we would always show as positive.

Posted by: Hoyeru | Oct 16 2020 3:24 utc | 54

Re the BBC's bumptious claim that " Scientists in the UK have begun testing the BCG vaccine, developed in 1921, to see if it can save lives from Covid." (bolding added)

Note that Vietnamese doctors were advocating this, and planning trials in April.
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-suspends-tb-vaccine-trial-for-covid-19-4110607.html

Th only reason that the Vietnamese trial was suspended was: "because there are not enough people exposed to Covid-19 right now to evaluate the Bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG) vaccine’s effectiveness against the virus, said Nguyen Viet Nhung, director of the Central Lung Hospital.

Instead, researchers would wait for evaluation results from other countries that have undertaken similar trials, such as Australia and the Netherlands, Nhung said.

"The suspension is a thing to be celebrated, because it shows that Vietnam has successfully contained Covid-19," she said.

Posted by: Hope | Oct 16 2020 4:31 utc | 55

I wonder if b has wanted to do a story on Trump's remarks last month on Fox and Friends that he wanted to "take Assad out" but that Gen. Mattis had advised against and ultimately thwarted this action.

My take is this.

Trump never thought about assassinating Assad. Trump has had an unspoken understanding with Putin since he became POTUS that Syria would not be touched. However, certain semblances of intervention had to be maintained to keep alive the apparition by the Trump-admin that they were keeping on eye on those dastardly-Russians. Of course, Putin has also signaled to Trump that peacekeeping in the region involves keeping Syria relatively free of Iranian-use to funnel materials to Hezbollah. All-in-all, a tentative truce has prevailed in the region thanks to this three-way deal between Syria, the U.S., and Ru. The wildcard in the region is still Turkey, using its leverage as bridge between Europe and the MENA to full advantage with the singular purpose of its own benefit.

But then why would Trump make the comments that he was willing to take-out Assad? How does one, even with the sophisticated weapons of the U.S., quickly and simply take out a dictator in a foreign country? Usually, a slow, bombing campaign is needed to approach the President's compound, paving the way for the opposition party to gather at the gates and storm them, seeking a hiding Gaddafi or Hussein in some hole or sewer pipe. Is Trump really that dumb to have blurted this out?

For those who would say yes and then point to Soleimani...well, that's a whole different ball of wax. Trump's main goal in the region is equally peace and keeping Iran's influence locked away in the eastern MENA. Putin agrees with this, for better or worse, as his willingness to broker peace between Armenia and Azerbeijan reinforces. The dream of some grand reshaping of the MENA in favor of Iran and Palestine is probably dead in its tracks as of now. In its place is a general peace in the region and a stabilized Syria. What is the better of the two? Putin would rather not trade in religious prophecy and holy war and I don't blame him for not desiring this.

Which brings us back to Trump and Mattis. When Mattis was ousted, as with the late John Bolton, the msm wanted to turn them both into some well-meaning victims of a brutal and ignorant dictatorship. Perhaps even one that, at any second, would start a conflagration in the MENA that would engulf the world and bring us to that dreaded "Orange-man/Red-button" meme. The horror!

But the problem with that narrative was that up until that point, the historical proof was the inverse of this preferred narrative. Bolton had advocated the Iraq War. Mattis, the Butcher of Fallujah, had, well, butchered in that war.

So how does one paint Trump as a warmonger and thereby hurt the reputation of a man seen by many in his base as a calming POTUS following on the heels of thirty years of wonton chaos in the region? Not surprisingly, what they decided to do was to put Mattis on a tour warning the country of his old boss and his unhinged tendencies, what with letting the peacemaking Ruskies in the arena so willingly!

So what could a DJT do to head this accusation off at the pass or at least minimize while even calling into question the accuser's own reputation as a Gung-Ho badass?

Trump, being the savvier and skilled self-marketer, simply out-manned him. HE WANTED TO TAKE OUT ASSSAD WITH HIS BARE, SMALL HANDS! And it was Mattis, the pansy, who was shaking at the thought of such action.

"Well," the msm thought, "we have been telling our readers for the past year that DJT was being too soft on Syria and Assad." What were they going to do with that statement from Trump?

If you finish the short WaPo story above, you will notice that they simply reiterate that DJT contradicted himself again and it needs clarification, which they will probably never get.

Meanwhile, Trump, Putin, and Assad are laughing at the establishment. And Mattis looks like a pansy.


Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 16 2020 4:31 utc | 56

i don't know what the new praetorian guard intel complex is going for exactly, but i'm seeing more and more stories about russiagate, even as trump falls behind in the polls. and meanwhile the fbi is investigating the hunter biden emails, although how stringently they will investigate is open to question, at the least. is there a split between the fbi and the cia/nsa/etc? there was rivalry between the agencies in the past.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 16 2020 5:28 utc | 57

Macron,alias Monarc,takes a delight in bullying the "people who are nothing"(his words).Now his negotiators have been brokering a truce with covid-19.For twenty million french people the disease wont be attacking them from 6 am to 9 pm.,so the people can do their job.Then from 9 pm the virus is out again,and the people must stay inside of the barn,but only with six maximum.Great diplomatic achievement!Only for six weeks,but could become six months! People who want to meet and eat with friends,just have to start earlier and may have to skip the apero,the core of modern french civilization.

Posted by: willie | Oct 16 2020 6:14 utc | 58

So, we can assume that stringent Covid-19 measures are being reintroduced in countries that have high chance of revolut... I mean, pandemic?

Posted by: Abe | Oct 16 2020 6:29 utc | 59

Couple Youtube vids from Angry Prepper on the situation in New York City. Apparently the city is shutting down again zip code by zip code. I do like watching Angry Prepper as he tells it straight about prepping in a city like New York. Don't always agree with his remarks, and he's no genius, but he is focused on common sense issues like food shortages, the economy, and crime, rather than doomsday scenarios. Check him out.

NYC Food Crisis Is Here
NYC Second Wave Shutdown Is Happening Now!
Your Covid Belief Is Irrelevant

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 16 2020 6:31 utc | 60

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 16 2020 5:28 utc | 57

I think the fans of Hunter-gate and Russia-gate are trying to drown each other out. Our rulers don't just hate us, they hate each other too.

US Government spook agencies, of course, all hate each other and compete for power and control.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 16 2020 6:33 utc | 61

Great analysis of the terrible performance of covid PCR tests: https://swprs.org/the-trouble-with-pcr-tests/

Explains why these tests produce so many false positive results.

Posted by: arne | Oct 16 2020 7:19 utc | 62

The Rare Act was introduced to counter Chinese rare earth suppliers.

Why is the Pentagon, the governments of Australia, the US and Western Australia funding the majority Chinese owned Lynas Corporation as revealed by Hastings Tech Metals?

https://www.lynascorp.com

https://hastingstechmetals.com/rare-earths/

It's all stupidity and shows no due diligence, no one can make A great by dragging C down.

Disclosure: I own small share holdings in both Lynas and Hastings.

Posted by: Paul | Oct 16 2020 7:31 utc | 63

@willie | Oct 16 2020 6:14 utc | 58

Macron,alias Monarc,takes a delight in bullying the "people who are nothing"(his words).Now his negotiators have been brokering a truce with covid-19.For twenty million french people the disease wont be attacking them from 6 am to 9 pm.,so the people can do their job.Then from 9 pm the virus is out again,and the people must stay inside of the barn,but only with six maximum.Great diplomatic achievement!Only for six weeks,but could become six months! People who want to meet and eat with friends,just have to start earlier and may have to skip the apero,the core of modern french civilization.

Quite some skilled diplomacy there, who negotiated on behalf of covid-19 one might ask?

Over here it is the corporations that negotiate hard on behalf of covid-19. Out on the streets the situation is largely normal, except from some very few terrorized (mostly foreign) individuals who apparently fear the miasma and prefer their own bad breath rather than the now increasingly fresh autumn air.

Still where I work, the since April advertised "second wave" has finally arrived in the heads of the management, there are now new police style plastic bands preventing access to the coffee machine and employees are advised to "work from home", but the same management do not believe their own cowardly words so they emphasize that "the office is not closed". So I go to work every day and enjoy the company of myself and one or two others who have some resemblance of ability to think for themselves.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2020 7:50 utc | 64

Mark2 | Oct 15 2020 19:11 utc | 3

thank-you, for that oasis in the desert.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 16 2020 7:57 utc | 65

The slumb in German-Russian relations are indeed concerning. However, I would like to remind that the unfounded reservations towards Russia in Europe are founded in the recent annexion of Crimea - a clear and open violation of the Charta of the UN, the Helsinki Accords and the Budapest Memorandum.

Many Russians seem to genuinly think of their country as an innocent victim of and nothing else. However, Russia has a centuries long tradition of imperialism and expansionism and the Crimea annexion - which is totally illegal by international law - shows clearly that this tradition is not at all a thing of the past but still pretty alive.

Everybody in the former Tsarist/Soviet sphere of influence - from Lithuania to Romania - asks themselfes if they will be next. That`s the source of the tension.

Posted by: m | Oct 16 2020 8:22 utc | 66

Lockdowns need to be balanced out with the general welfare of the population. Hard lockdowns are easy if you have the financial reserves of Norway. In such a case lockdowns can even be extended should the need arise. No-one will suffer from malnutrition or starvation.

When you don’t have the financial resources of Norway , when the majority in the country live hand to mouth. a hard lockdown leading to an extended lockdown does lead to malnutrition and starvation.
It gets to the point where you must choose 1) get Covid-19 and have a 1-2% of dying or 2) or become malnourished which leads to other issues including starvation.

How many people have died of Covid-19 who wouldn’t have others but were malnourished after a hard lockdown ?

How many people died because they wouldn’t operate during the lockdowns.

No if you go to the doctor with Covid symptoms they they insist on a Covid test before you go to them. But there are many diseases where the symptoms are similar and many people lost their jobs so they can’t afford the test and therefore end up not going. ?

Other factors in a lockdown include depression, suicide, domestic violence etc.

One size does not fit all.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2020 8:24 utc | 67

Thank you ——-
Prof k @ 46
Desisdeads @ 65
Abe @ 59 ——- Revoluts... are exempt from lockdown ( prioritiesation)
Down South @ 67 your comment is so March 2020.
————————-
Look we are where we are, mid October we need to move on right now,
If you live in a low risk area don’t be complacent put out the last spark of virus, prevent incoming infection.
If your in an area of increasing spread, disregard anyone (including govenment) who suggests you stay put in the face of a raging fire (think about it)
This virus is now coming from schools and universities then seeding in homes / communities
Get out of them. Yes life’s a bitch, yes get very angry, yes blame your govenment and chainge it.
Now can we all move on please.
Q what can we predict over the next 4 months, or 1 year ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2020 9:20 utc | 68

https://ahtribune.com/human-rights/american-human-rights/4426-top-human-rights-violator.html

Oct.2020

US Is the Top Human Rights Violator in the World, and It’s Not Even Close

The ideology of American exceptionalism has created the illusion that the U.S. deserves to old a monopoly on the issue of human rights. American exceptionalism presumes that the United States is the model example for countries and peoples all over the world. However, the days when the world was forced to bow to the U.S. are over. Most of the world sees the U.S. as the biggest threat to human rights and a peaceful existence. The U.S.’s human rights track record suggests that the world is correct, and it is the entire planet that suffers when issues such as war, climate change, poverty, and racism are blamed on China rather than addressed with solidarity and cooperation at a global level.

Posted by: Ashino | Oct 16 2020 10:24 utc | 69

M @ 66:

Current Western hostility towards Russia began almost as soon as Vladimir Putin became President of Russia back in the early 2000s and began to steer Russia towards genuine economic reconstruction, laid down the law to the oligarch class ransacking the country through neoliberal "reforms" and put Mikhail Khodorkovsky in jail because he refused to stop meddling in politics and buying political influence.

Crimea was illegally "gifted" to Ukraine by Nikita Khrushchev in 1954 who did not consult with the Soviet Parliament at the time. The Soviet Parliament would never have allowed Crimea to be transferred from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to Ukraine just to simplify the paperwork over supplying water from the RSFSR through Ukraine to Crimea.

In early 2014, after three busloads of Crimean activists returning from Kiev were ambushed by Nazi thugs (obviously tipped off as to the return route the convoy was taking) who beat them and killed some of them, Crimea held a referendum to determine whether its public preferred independence and reintegration with Russia or to continue being part of Ukraine but with the 1992 Constitution (giving more autonomy to Crimea) restored. With a voter turnout of over 80%, support for independence and reintegration with Russia was 97%, meaning that at least 77% of the voter base supported independence and reintegration with Russia. Some 23,000 Russian troops, legally stationed in Crimea under a treaty signed in 1997 by Ukraine and Russia, were spread through Crimea to ensure that voters could reach polling booths and vote safely without being intimidated by the Ukrainian government.

Clearly there was no annexation or "annexion" as you call it, and what the Crimeans have done is legal under the UN Charter or "Charta" as you call it.

And do please learn some Russian history if your comments on Russia are to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Hor, Jennifer | Oct 16 2020 10:24 utc | 70

@50 james

Honestly, I cannot predict because Trump is in a dark space over losing power and is capable of anything.

The polls cannot be trusted because Trumpsters lie like Trump to inflate the polls and give the other side a false sense of security. Republicans have also been registering new voters 2 to 1 Democrat.

I believe the polls are closer than what they appear, plus on the day of the Election the difference always narrows and the Undecided factor in.

I suspect if the difference is single digits under 2% against Trump in swing states; Trump will try to steal the election. If the margin moves from Trump winning count on Election Day to Trump losing after all votes are counted after that day when the counting continues, Trump will scream mail-in voter fraud!, and try to get states with Republican governors and the Courts he packed with Conservative judges to give him a victory. Because there are dark forces already at play for Trump to win, it's very hard to call.

Without Trump shenanigans and Zionist subterfuge, however, Biden wins.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 16 2020 10:26 utc | 71

Europe will let the 737 fly again. I don't trust that.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-737max-easa-idUSKCN26G1H8

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Oct 16 2020 10:58 utc | 72

One may ridicule changes in advice coming from WHO but someone said once 'if you never change your mind why have one.' The economic cost of covid and our approach to it is becoming more clear and its weight in decision making increases. This does not require minimizing the damage the virus is capable of doing .
I want to defend the earlier 'stupidity' of WHO on masks. their reservations against masks were valid: assuming general 'sloppy use of mediocre masks' where people fiddle with them and use them for too long, it is sensible to assume that in general they merely cause 'smearing out' of viruses. They still end up on surfaces , just less directly, and the benefit is questionable in case of flu. The appearance of doing something without the benefit, but with possibly the confidence to do things one wouldn't be doing otherwise.

The benefit of masks for coronaviruses then requires that one considers coronaviruses are not flu: the impact of the masks on transfer through touch may be negligeable but the impact on transfer through air may be important, and since superspreading through air is a major factor the masks become important. As long as you are not sufficiently convinced of that there is no argument for masks.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Oct 16 2020 11:22 utc | 73

UT @ 33

Nice ( paraphrased ) Pink Floyd reference in your comment.

Posted by: Digital Spartacus | Oct 16 2020 11:36 utc | 74

@ Down South | Oct 16 2020 8:24 utc | 67

If you are commenting to me you have not understood what I am saying.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2020 11:39 utc | 75

Mark2 @ 68

It is very much a current and relevant topic:

KEY POINTS
Europe is introducing more and more restrictive measures to curb the spread of the coronavirus and lockdowns are the next possible step.
Full-scale lockdowns should be a "very, very last resort."
Any national lockdowns must consider direct risks and "collateral damage" associated with the pandemic, such as the mental health impact and domestic violence.

https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/10/15/lockdowns-should-be-last-resort-whos-europe-chief-says.html

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2020 11:50 utc | 76

Tuyzentfloot @72,

now we just need to wait for the first 737 to crash after they restart flights, my estimate within 12 months there will be another crash that Boeing will blame on the pilots in a desperate attempt to avoid the self-evident truth that they built a flying ford pinto

Posted by: Kadath | Oct 16 2020 11:52 utc | 77

Norwegian @ 75

No, just discussing my own experience with hard and extended lockdowns and the effects there of that the WHO Chief in Europe mentioned.

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2020 11:54 utc | 78

Down south @ 76
In answer ——-
See my @ 3 4 7 11 40 68 !!!
Or Prof k @ 46
If we’re not comunicating, I can’t help you.
Good bye

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2020 12:08 utc | 79

Oh, this is just hilarious... I went on Twitter and one of the infosec guys was tweeting that Trump had tweeted that Twitter had shut down. Well, we know Twitter had an outage. Apparently Trump was allegedly hoaxed by a satirical Web site.

For Real: Trump Tweets Out Fake Story About Twitter Shutting Down, Tricked By Satirical Newspaper Babylon Bee


He fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. He no doubt didn’t read beyond the headline into the copy. If he had, he might have seen: “After seeing account after account tweet out one particularly bad story, CEO Jack Dorsey realized he had to take action. Dorsey smashed a glass box in his office reading “Break In Case Of Bad Publicity For Democrats.” Inside the case was a sledgehammer for smashing Twitter’s servers. “Red alert — shut the servers down! Shut them all down!”

Instead, the president of the United States wrote:
“Wow, this has never been done in history. This includes his really bad interview last night. Why is Twitter doing this. Bringing more attention to Sleepy Joe & Big T”

Meantime, Trump’s Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnemy has had her Twitter account suspended forever, it seems. And the NYPost’s Twitter account also has been suspended for the last 48 hours. This is all because of a fake news story published by the Post involved Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, allegedly colluding with Ukrainians. Twitter has finally stepped up and done the right thing.

That last bit I would say isn't entirely correct. The Post piece isn't clearly "fake", and I really don't think Twitter "done the right thing." There is zero rationale for them censoring any such stories, fake or not.

But the fact that we have a moron President has once again been proven.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 16 2020 12:22 utc | 80

Mark2 @ 11 & 79

You know full well that the last lockdown was designed to fail. When it began to work they ended it.

So now who do you work for ?

If that is how you communicate, well then good bye!

Posted by: Down South | Oct 16 2020 12:37 utc | 81

Already we are moving to Trump has stolen the election. No need to have an election first, we simply know a priori he stole it.

Mark2, our resident Antifa, simply wants to punish somebody, anybody. If not appointed to Committee of Public Safety he will start on his own.

In case any are not aware, most states are setting November 3 as last date for postmarks on ballots, with ballots to be received by November 10. Here in Illinois ballots must be received by November 17. There will be no election result November 4. And there will be no election result November 18. This is pre-programmed to go on for months. Which will be simply chaotic. Of course some on this board already know who won and there are many more just like them.Their most fervent desire is to fight it out.

No one has yet commented on Twitter cancelling the New York Post, the entire Trump campaign, and now the House Judiciary Committee. Free speech is cancelled and no one even notices. They are all Trumptards, they don’t deserve free speech so the “left” just does not care. We see who has power and how they exercise it.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 16 2020 12:39 utc | 82

Abe @ 59

I do not see the potential for revolution anywhere. We're a snowflake society. It is natural for such a society to evolve into a totalitarian state. The political class could not resist the temptation to grab this limitless power. Toss in government scientists - who have been pushing the global warming narrative for 25 years - to finally have something to really frighten people with and it's off to the races! Meanwhile the media that's suppose to be a check on government abuses instead has become propagandists promoting every lie in the official narrative.

I'm not sure where the revolutions are going to come from. It certainly does not help when half the population have fully embraced the Covid Cult. No facts nor science will change these fifth columnists' minds.

I guess if we can win some online debates then we can pat ourselves on the back. A snowflake society rebelling doesn't seem likely when everyone is too busy following orders. It may completely fall a part due to the incompetence of the political class. In that case we all lose.

Posted by: EoinW | Oct 16 2020 12:46 utc | 83

Reporters from the Grayzone are in Bolivia to report on Sunday's election and are being harassed by the right wing. Here's a link to their first account which highlights the level of tension and threats surrounding the high stakes outcome. Basically, Sunday's vote is part primary but could be the whole election: if a leading candidate gets 40% along with winning over the 2nd place candidate by a 10% margin s/he wins. If not, the top 2 finishers face off in a second round.The right wingers have more than one candidate and so they're split similar to the dems in the primaries. The MAS (left) party is more united but supposedly doesn't quite have a majority of support although I think they do-- it's just that the dark skinned peons don't count as much in polls.
The Grayzone team includes Max Blumenthal, Anya Parampil, Ben Norton and I think Wyatt Reed. They will likely be a good source of what's going on while they're there which will also include their own experience with the fascists.
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/10/15/bolivia-stalk-threat-election-observers/

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 16 2020 12:50 utc | 84

I had read the John Snow Memo yesterday and was somewhat puzzled. It seemed entirely content free. Thanks to the twit feed helpfully supplied by Mark2 above it makes sense now. It boils down to herd immunity bad, community suppression good.

Community suppression simply means lockdowns. No discussion whatever of why lockdowns have utterly failed thus far. No discussion at all of what would be a good lockdown and what would be a bad lockdown. Just trust us. On basis of our white coats, trust us.

Nothing substantive to argue about. Discussion becomes nothing but proclaiming loyalty. Or being disloyal.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 16 2020 13:43 utc | 85

Trump Boasts About Federal Task Force Killing Antifascist Wanted for Murder in Portland
“We got him,” the president said of a fugitive killed by federal deputies. Witnesses say officers made no attempt to arrest him first.


While there is no doubt that Trump did praise federal deputies for killing Reinoehl — as part of a riff about how quickly agents under his command could put an end to violence from left-wing activists — the full video of his remarks shows that the president appeared to be saying, in his own, fractured way, that the federal government was forced to intervene because local officials in Portland, who are Democrats, “didn’t want to arrest him.”

In the abbreviated version of the video that went viral, it seemed to many viewers as if the president had said the U.S. Marshals “didn’t want to arrest him,” and that he was endorsing an extrajudicial execution.

Frankly, I assume he still was. Given, as the article says, that Trump can't put two words together to make a coherent sentence, a point I've made many times before, why bother trying to exonerate him from what is likely his real attitude?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 16 2020 14:08 utc | 86

re: state murder
Will the ABA speak up?
from the American Bar Association.....
Rule of Law in American Life: A Long and Intentional Tradition
Everyone contributes to the rule of law.
No country can maintain a rule of law society if its people do not respect the laws. Everyone must make a commitment to respect laws, legal authorities, legal signage and signals, and courts. Imagine if everyone in your community decided that they did not want to be bothered by traffic laws and signals, for example. The streets in your community would quickly become a chaotic and less safe place. Police officers might be overwhelmed trying to help the situation, or ignored altogether. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 16 2020 14:14 utc | 87

Community suppression simply means lockdowns. No discussion whatever of why lockdowns have utterly failed thus far. No discussion at all of what would be a good lockdown and what would be a bad lockdown. Just trust us. On basis of our white coats, trust us.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 16 2020 13:43 utc | 85

A good lockdown where it restrict human movement while enforce a comprehensive self quarantine plans as well systematic contract tracing databases.
A bad lockdown where human movement still happen no other things of the above being done.
Look at how China doing theirs.

By now i have some thinking that Democrats in USA might be ordering lockdown just for the sake of lockdown as political stand against Trump since they did nothing or very little of what they are supposed to do. Either that or the US citizens just harder to control or conform to drastic changes.

Posted by: Lucci | Oct 16 2020 14:27 utc | 88

Thanks to karlof1 for his link to Lavrov's press conference. I agree the questions were aggressive and in some cases 'answers' in themselves. The effect for me was to realize on how many fronts Russia is being - not attacked but offered temptations to become what their tempters are themselves - even on the part of the questioners themselves. Lavrov stuck to his guns, and by now we can ourselves anticipate that his answers will always take the high road. I am always impressed by his unswerving ability in this respect.

I have one happy thought to hold onto, that even in the midst of this awful time of virus because of some of the restrictions that are hard on folk, nature is getting a reprieve; the earth is healing a bit. Now if sense could be drummed into those seeking leadership, and folk could be helped to survive, perhaps we can enjoy helping that process along. It's a real opportunity that shouldn't be wasted.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 16 2020 14:47 utc | 89

Yes the answers were straight on as well. No mumbo jumbo.

Posted by: arby | Oct 16 2020 14:52 utc | 90

Just note ——-
How the trump supporters are desperately trying to start an argument on this thread! And so close to the election. That speaks volumes as to who started the riots.
My advice to all is — let them carry on, so we can all have a good laugh.
No one likes them — not Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Europe, Africa, Add 50% of Americans i could go on.
Billy no mates. Snigger
I sense your desperation guys.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2020 14:56 utc | 91

Why France waged war on Libya ...

Sarkozy Charged With 'Conspiracy' Over Libyan Financing


French prosecutors said Friday that they had slapped criminal conspiracy charges on former president Nicolas Sarkozy over claims he used Libyan cash for his 2007 election campaign.

The charge for "membership in a criminal conspiracy" was brought on Monday, the prosectoros told AFP.
...
Prosecutors suspect that Sarkozy and his associates received millions of euros from the regime of former strongman Moamer Kadhafi to help finance his election bid.

Posted by: b | Oct 16 2020 14:59 utc | 92

@70 Hor, Jennifer

It is just a few decades ago that Russia extended to the Elbe. The problem with your reasoning is that in the same way one could easily construct a claim - indeed an obligation - of Russia to rule half of Europe.

Fact is, that Russia recognised the independence of Ukraine after the dissolution of the Soviet Union and expliciltly recognised it`s borders in the Budapest Memorandum of 1994 - in exchange for the Soviet nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil. The Ukrainians handed over the weapons, the treaty had served it`s purpose and Moscow broke it.

The message is clear: Russia cannot be trusted.

Posted by: m | Oct 16 2020 15:33 utc | 93

@Mark2 | Oct 16 2020 0:20 utc | 40

The covid debate is now over !

I have been hearing the same assertion combined with appeal to authority in other politicized fields. All it says is you don't want to debate. Fine, so we can do it without you.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 16 2020 15:34 utc | 94

Environmentalism is only for the poor countries. First World countries can do whatever the fuck they want:

Japan expected to dump over 1 MILLION TONS of radioactive Fukushima water into Pacific, fishermen fear ‘catastrophic impact’

Posted by: vk | Oct 16 2020 15:55 utc | 95

vk @ 95, if the fish become radioactive we will have to stop eating them,and that will be good for the fish.

Environmentalism is for everyone. We only have one planet. But I take your point - covid will make the US a poor country, so let's have at it (and stop nibbling at the edges of Russia.)

Posted by: juliania | Oct 16 2020 16:13 utc | 96

Boeing 737 Max is safe to fly says European regulator.

"Europe’s top aviation regulator said he’s satisfied that changes to Boeing Co.’s 737 Max have made the plane safe enough to return to the region’s skies before 2020 is out, even as a further upgrade his agency demanded won’t be ready for up to two years."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-16/boeing-max-declared-safe-to-fly-by-europe-s-aviation-regulator

Posted by: dh | Oct 16 2020 16:14 utc | 97

The OffGuardian published its supposed refutation of the Moon of Alabama's supposed refutation of one of the OffGuardian's articles. Just to share the news.

Posted by: Doubter | Oct 16 2020 16:21 utc | 98

@97 I see the news about Boeing was already posted @72......my apologies.

Posted by: dh | Oct 16 2020 16:30 utc | 99


It puts an end the lockdown debate !!!
Hopefully THE JOHN SNOW MEMORANDOM https://www.johnsnowmemo.com/#


Killwallstreet @ 5 your centralist(fake fascism) neo liberal (global) war.. governed left for dead article was excellent. The Global factions in the EU have defined Russia as an enemy..should be changed to the west has decided to attack Russia, China, Iran and Venezuela.. Russia is surrounded by strong NATO military Might, Turkey has turned on Russia, Iran is suffering low ebb sanction pains, never to be trusted Israel has Putin in a net.. and Venezuela is sufferent CIA distension, Ukraine is being set up for invasion.. and India has been promised the guts of Russia if it plays the get Russia song.

Passer by @ 6 <=your list failed to included the biggest indicator of all that the entire western world (USA, France, and UK) has decided to take Russia, China and Venzeula out.. The massive movement of nearly all Troops stationed in Iraq to North Western Syria, signed oil contracts with the Kurds, busy stealing 30,000,000 barrels of Syrian oil, in broad daylight with that Smirk smile aimed at Russia in Syria <=what the hell you lousy Russians going to do about it? Netanyohu is smiling ear to ear.. as is MBS.. the plan of course is to take Russia and Iran and Venzeula and the CCP in China out so the neoliberals can raise the price of oil to $250 a barrel..install their one world government, and trash humanity as robots replace human labor. The globalist will make the world pay for the infection and lock down cost of the Covid 19 pandemic they imposed. IMO if humanity lets this happen it will be a million years before Genocide and Slavery is outlawed again. <=also MemesisCalling @ 56 Trump never thought about assassinating Assad. Trump has had an unspoken understanding with Putin since he became POTUS that Syria would not be touched but that does not seem accurate in light of recent troop invasion into Syria. and juliania @ 89 many fronts Russia is being ..

The message is clear: Russia cannot be trusted. by: m @ 93 and karlof1 #17 "The Outlaw US empire's policy of fomenting chaos everywhere is now being deployed domestically." 9/11 and Pearl Harbor come to mind to prove no one can trust a nation state. The Oligarchs use the nation state as a weapon against the governed people and the people just lay down and die..

Hoyeru @ 54 The vaccine was designed to stop tb, <=. much more than some evidence exists, BCG tuberculosis vaccine covid: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54465733 is used for Bladder Cancer around the world, and BCG works in many tissue challenged situations. .. its a non specific block for many receptor effector binding situations. Many scientist early in the Covid 19 propaganda suggested BCG but Trumps crew at the NIH and CDC and even WHO stopped it because no one can get a patent on it.

I'm not sure where the revolutions are going to come from. EoinW @ 83 <=Ever hear see a panty raid develop? .. No one can establish how they get started, but once the Panty raid starts (just like in the French Revolution), nearly every person on both sides of the panties join in the raid. America, is not like the USA, its people are not educated crooks, they are moody, potentially ready to fight government any where any time any how (there would not have been a constitution if the federalist had tried to deny Americans the right to their guns; because the Guns were the peoples guarantee government could be suppressed if need be), often Americans fight, merely because it is government.. Americans have always seen government, and political or bureaucratic persons associated with government, as useless fools, intent of making money by constraining the behaviors of the governed..

Posted by: snake | Oct 16 2020 16:34 utc | 100

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