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October 7, 2020
Open Thread 2020-80

Despite the best that has been done by everyone, today’s post has developed not necessarily to the blog’s advantage. It has thus been canned.


Use as open thread …

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better luck next time b! anyone have any thoughts of trumps statement about releasing all the info on russiagate without redactions?? more b.s. for the pile?? probably… i can’t see the cia-fbi letting this happen.. more like a jfk moment…. it is probably another trump headfake.. the real purpose is not to create a pain for the president, but to continue this cold war mccarthyism phenom as i see it… the usa always has to be on a war footing to protect its main industries – wall st, and the mic…

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:07 utc | 1

China’s gains during COVID 19 Crisis
https://www.ft.com/content/696d0406-181c-4972-a158-06b610f50dbd

Posted by: Prof K | Oct 7 2020 18:21 utc | 2

US, UK, and France join to prevent testimony to UN Security Council from former OPCW chief.
https://mobile.twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1313197827712049158?s=20
Meanwhile, current OPCW confirms “new Novichok” in Navalny’s blood sample, as provided by Germany.
Looks like this world agency is effectively finito.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 7 2020 18:21 utc | 3

b I have always appreciated your humility and candor when you say that something you were working on didn’t work out! Humility and candor can give us more power.
Thank you

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 7 2020 18:25 utc | 4

regarding the ”get russia” agenda, karlof1 linked to an interview with larvov which sums it up in the q and a section of this..
Foreign”>https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/4368405/”>Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to questions… btw karlof1 – regarding a new movie ”the wall” i can’t find it…
@ migueljose | Oct 7 2020 18:25 utc | 4… hi migueljose.. is it possible to give us more info on recent developments in bolivia? thanks..

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:37 utc | 5

link messed up… here it is again – link for my post @ 5/A>

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:39 utc | 6

Jayc-3 Thanks for the link.
The suppression of the story of OPCW’s corruption both by the corporate media and by members of the UN Security Council is deeply shocking. It has been revealed that the US and its’ allies attacked a sovereign nation on the basis of a hoax. That hoax was advanced by United State’s ability to corrumpt the agency tasked with investigating the incident. This is a immensely important story that few Americans know anything about. I found myself explaining it to friends and family who expressed skepticism because, they assured me, if what I was saying were true, we would be reading about it the New York Times.

Posted by: David | Oct 7 2020 18:47 utc | 7

The old fat white guy with a fast food diet is completely cured of Covid in record time. Thank goodness for whatever companies made those miracle drugs Trump took. Phew. Trump feels so good now he’s going to put on a cape, jump off the White House, fly around DC, spit on Pelosi like an avenging Under Dog, land on the South Lawn in full Mussolini regalia, and declare himself President for Life. Happy October Surprise!
But methinks at this time the voting folks will prefer Cardboard Biden to Cartoon Trump.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 7 2020 18:47 utc | 8

Grieved mentioned Chung’s Game Theory essay. For me, it remains an unproven hypothesis since its premises are contradicted by numerous cultures and their societies. I agree completely with the following questions she asks:
“But what if we have made a terrible mistake?
“After all, it is acknowledged by the theorists themselves that the entire functioning of their model relies upon the assumption that we are governed by rational selfish behaviour, and that they feel confident about this assumption since reality has apparently confirmed this fact to them. But what if this game is not objectively mirroring a truthful depiction of us? What if this game has rather, been used as a conditioning tool, a self-fulfilling prophecy, a positive feedback loop?
“How can we know what is true? How can we know what kind of a person we truly are and not what we have been conditioned to think of ourselves as?” [Emphasis original]
I never attempted to disprove or prove the game hypothesis. Now having read Chung’s essay, I agree with her strong refutation of it and would add that its promotion goes along with that of Neoliberal Junk Economics–There’s no way but the Zero-sum way as we’ve been constantly told now over several generations.
Lots of food for the brain today. I expect more discoveries after the noon hour!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 18:59 utc | 9

lavrov quote from the link “Sergey Lavrov: As I mentioned earlier, the current international relations system is collapsing under the banner of the “rules-based world order.” It became part of the political vocabulary, or narrative, in modern parlance, about three to four years ago. We took note of it immediately. When we began to talk about this term which was proposed to be included in the declarations of international forums, we were told that “this is the same as international law.” When we proposed replacing this term with “respect for international law,” we were told, by hook or by crook, that “we need to use some fresh language.” And then everything that I was talking about came to the surface.”

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 19:03 utc | 10

jayc @3–
That’s an example of what Lavrov termed the “privatization” of in international bodies you can find at the link james provided @6. Thanks to james for trying to find a link to that new film. If I understood Lavrov, it was just aired on a Russian TV channel, not shown at a theatre, and very recently within the last week. Hopefully, some of our Russia-located readers will locate it for us.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 19:07 utc | 11

abc.net.au/TheWorld covered a story about Putin announcing that Russia has conducted a successful test of an hypersonic missile. The story included a video clip of a missile whizzing out of the sea, amid lots of non-exhaust plumes of flame, and streaking away from the launch-site. It reached its target 450km away in 4.5 minutes according to the report.
Al Jazeera described it as an anti-ship missile – which is interesting because if a 1 ton+ missile travelling at 6,000kmh hits a ship then the kinetic energy released could make an explosive warhead redundant.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 7 2020 19:57 utc | 12

P.S. there’s already an Open Thread 2020-78 from October 1.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 7 2020 20:03 utc | 13

We recently had a discussion about the Pope’s latest Encyclical.
A broader discussion may be appropriate given that organized religion is still so strong in 2020.
My proposition: Religions, like Abrahamic religions, that externalize sovereignty via a God whose “will” is fateful buttress a toxic hierarchical social structure where those at the top are “blessed” and those at the bottom need to constrain their frustration at the inequities to win God’s pleasure.
The glorious mystery of creation does not need to be institutionalized. One can believe in God (or not), and follow a moral path without the need for a With the internet, we can all learn about everything that is known and being learned about the universe.
What is desperately needed is a culture and governance that is appropriate to the 21st Century. Instead, our elites hope to secure their position by use of fear, uncertainty, and doubt. This only leads to dystopia for the rest of us.
Jesus was a reformer but his ‘message’ was compromised over time to strengthen the morality play that keeps the lower classes subdued. The Golden Rule has rarely constrained the elites who believe that rulers do what they will and the ruled do what they must. We should not allow the thinking of Karl Marx, Martin Luther King, Julian Assange, and other modern ‘prophets’ to be similarly compromised.
I’m not arguing for “godless socialism” but against oligarch capitalism that leads inexorably to the supremacist thinking at the heart of neoliberalism (a form of fascism), neoconservativism (a form of aristocracy), and Zionism (a form of colonialism).
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 7 2020 20:07 utc | 14

Online rag Al-monitor today:
“Why Syrians are joining Turkey in Nagorno-Karabakh clash”
Dear Arseholes in Al-monitor, FYI here is the reason you missed, the ones sent to fight the christian Armenians in Garehbagh are the same ones that were supported by western countries and the friends of Syria to kill and bomb Christian churches in Syria, before Hezbollah, and martyr commander Solimani arrive and fuck them up.
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/10/syria-fighters-turkey-deploy-azerbaijan-armenia-russia.amp.html?skipWem=1&__twitter_impression=true

Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 7 2020 20:12 utc | 15

The Great Barrington COVID Declaration.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Sponsored and co-signed by prominent experts whose voices are ignored in the corporate media. I welcome their appeal to review the current COVID measures in view of the significant downsides that are not being taken into account.

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 7 2020 20:32 utc | 16

The TV film about the Berlin Wall could be this one, I’ll watch it later.
https://russia.tv/brand/show/brand_id/65340/

Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 20:35 utc | 17

Machine translation of the movie’s blurb:
It cost hundreds of lives, broke thousands of destinies, entire states perished under its rubble, but they still have not been able to destroy it. On October 4, the Rossiya 1 TV channel will air the premiere of the new documentary project of the famous TV journalist Andrei Kondrashov, The Wall. The film will tell about the events of the late 1980s, when the Berlin Wall was already crumbling, and the Kremlin still could not believe that this was possible at all.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 20:47 utc | 18

I recommend this up to date assessment of the virus situation in the U.K.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1313913639380955136
As an antidote to the insanity infecting the blog by some.
This is our reality in th U.K.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 7 2020 20:51 utc | 19

In their current Keiser Report, Max & Stacey use aide grants to developing nations that never reaches the populace as an example of what’s happening within the Outlaw US Empire’s economy where nothing trickles down, which is the true height of irony. To get around the hoarding of Fed printed monies by the 1%, the Fed appears to be seriously proposing making direct “cash credits” to all adults. That’s more fully discussed in this article by a writer and publication Max & Stacey frequently cite. The second half of the program I highly suggest watching to listen to the ideas of Dr. Zeus Yiamouyiannis, who I never met while we both attended Northern Arizona University.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 20:56 utc | 20

Thanks james for providing the link @ 6 to Lavrov’s remarks. I had seen karlof1’s links in the previous open thread, just so much was going on at that point. And I do want to praise your conversation on the last thread with russ — you made many points with which I agree, especially on viewing the virus as a natural event and not seeking to cast blame hither and thither. It strikes me that we are going to be subject to many such shocks to our system, and while I do hope we will take them seriously, Trump is not entirely at fault for wanting to downplay his illness. The positive attitude is part of coping when one gets sick, and much of his own reaction, as I thought about it, was entirely human. If I were him, I would want to get back to a ‘home environment’ as quickly as possible myself. We will go back and forth on positives and negatives it seems to me, because we know the failings of both candidates in the upcoming US election – but I am as you, james, more of an outsider, even though I am now a citizen, and so I will stay on the sideline this round. There are too many negatives on both sides, real ones. So all I can really hope is that the candidates, perhaps even as they face the realities of the virus and other natural imbalances we humans have caused, will dig a little deeper into their own souls for new approaches, and not the party line that both of them seem to pay lip service to. So that whoever wins will be a win for us all.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2020 21:04 utc | 21

You “admire” him? For what? For his stupid political stunt which highlights his crude incompetence among his own supporters? Or do you admire him because he all but assured with his antics a huge spike in cases/deaths this fall/winter? Or because it’s all a secret op to arrest Hilary and bust the Epstein pedafile ring?

Posted by: Tio Marko | Oct 7 2020 21:10 utc | 23

Mark2 @ 20 recommends “an up to date assessment of the virus situation in the UK” and proposes that “This is our reality in th U.K.” (Dear Mark2, I’m not criticising you. It was an interesting link)
Toryfibs opinion may be accurate. I’m not sure. It threatens deaths, but ignores death statistics.
We all want to stay close to reality.
How does this opinion reconcile with the reality that the excess mortality in England and Wales dropped back to normal since 21 June 2020?
Perhaps the excess deaths due to Covid19 are offset by fewer deaths due to traffic accidents or something like that? Is that a testable hypothesis? I have not seen anyone address this question yet. Perhaps it is not as interesting to others as it is to me.

Posted by: Deltaeus | Oct 7 2020 21:18 utc | 24

Posted by: vk | Oct 7 2020 21:07 utc | 23
It is a formality, after all there are Union State agreements including international arrest orders. But that formality eliminates the possibility of direct talks with Putin, something Tikhanovskaya had asked for, in her mind if she is received by Macron and Merkel why not Putin. The first draft of the Opposition Coordination Council program implied rupture with Russia, and in spite of being deleted, in Moscow they took good note of its contents.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 21:20 utc | 25

Sorry, I forgot to add the link to the excess deaths page

Posted by: Deltaeus | Oct 7 2020 21:20 utc | 26

The Great Barrington Declaration is evil and fully dishonest.
There never was a full lockdown in Western Europe or North America.
A real lockdown would shut down all non-essential production and distribution.
That didn’t happen in the US. Every American could still order and receive anything they wanted. Yoga clothes, anyone?
The Declaration also rests on an assumption that the current distribution of wealth can’t be touched to help the working-class.
A real lockdown should be supported by a massive and comprehensive expropriation of the accumulated wealth of the billionaire class. Instead the Fed created more debt to bail out corporations.
Thirdly, lockdowns do work. It is a fact that China, the most populous country in the world, implemented many lockdowns wherever community spread emerged. And it worked.
New Zealand did the same. These lockdowns were relatively short and the economic results are proof of the efficacy of real lockdowns backed by progressive social policies.
The issue is that capitalism can’t allow any break in the cycle of payments. The assholes who signed the Declaration are ideological reflectors of the systemic needs and class dynamics of capitalism.
Theirs is a recipe for endless pain and death and fear.
There should be national lockdowns in the US and UK, and everywhere else the capitalist class has allowed the virus to spread.

Posted by: Prof K | Oct 7 2020 21:21 utc | 27

The commenter @12 posts yet another deliberately obfuscated link to a mediocre article at failedevolution without any synopsis or helpful contribution explaining why we would want to read more, and under a different commenter name so many will fail to notice the pattern of a webmaster or affiliate promoter shilling with a link-bait link.
The guys at that site must live in a mind-set of competing for scarce resources. Most people post here in a spirit of sharing the abundance of analysis.

Posted by: Grieved | Oct 7 2020 21:26 utc | 28

re: “Game Theory”
it’s a well established fact(but not too well known in the West) that Homo Sapiens became the the dominant life form on Earth because the individual members cooperated with each other instead of competition. For some reason, the Westerns/Americans choose to somehow not be aware of this and endlessly prattle about individuality. The 2 Americans I met who claimed to be “Libertarians” turned to be the usual American bullshitters, babbling inanities. I won’t go into details but one is a 35 years old man who lives for free on his mother’s mountain property yet he thinks he is an individualist. It’s truly amazing how deluded they chose to make themselves.
As for Game Theory, maybe the part about cooperation vs competition could be wrong but the other part about modifying and directing your opponent/enemy’s behavior was successfully implemented against Japan by USA during WWI when USA started the famous 8 points plan to make Japan react thus giving the USA an excuse to involve itself in WWII. Even to this day USA still uses Game Theory successfully against Iran and it’s adversaries such as Russia and China for example. Even if Game Theory is a self fulfilling prophecy it is still a very effective weapon being waged by the West/USA/NATO.
So don’t discount Game Theory just because one of its parts might be wrong; but other of its parts are pretty sound. it’s too bad Russia won’t start using game Theory in its dealings with the West/USA/NATO/Germany/Europe. For some reason Russia hasn’t heard of USA’s proverb it seems: “Nice guys finish last” and prefers to play noble and by the rules while its adversaries are free to cheat/lie as they see fit(The navalny affair where now both Germany and France say they WILL be putting sanctions on Russia)

Posted by: Hoyeru | Oct 7 2020 21:27 utc | 29

karlof @ 11, that ‘privatization’ of international bodies is an important point – and it strikes me that it was exactly the technique used by the Democrats during this electoral buildup when they introduced their ‘Green New Deal’ legislation. The term ‘Green New Deal’ had been used all through Jill Stein’s campaign as Green Party candidate, but it meant something entirely different referring as it did specifically to FDR’s New Deal legislation. It did have components of climate and environmental issues, but returning to FDR’s policies a grander project by far. And this, if he had been a better candidate, could have been Obama’s legacy, to return us to those fundamentally sound policies for the nation at large, instead of what he had proceeded to do with his mandate in 2008, which was to ignore the needs of the country at large so he could purchase his mansion beside a threatening ocean.
Financial skulduggery in the US and the world was made ‘legal’ by Clinton and all who came after him. So the buck stops there, perhaps. And the rich made off with the spoils, knowing as Trump pointed out in his defense of his tax returns at the debate, that it was all perfectly ‘legal’.
So, Lavrov is only pointing out on the world scene what we all have been experiencing back in the US. And yes, that buck stops here. Which means we have to take to heart his comment that “There are many forecasts that any empire will reach a crisis at some point and become smaller and quieter….”
Smaller and quieter. Ah, wouldn’t that be wonderful?

Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2020 21:35 utc | 30

One more comment – that’ll do it! Thanks to those who were posting on the Pope’s encyclical – I’ve yet to read it, but I’m remembering Suzanne, bemildred, psychohistorian, all giving excerpts about his critique of neoliberalism. And repudiation of the ‘just war’ concept. Yay team!
I’ll just say to psychohistorian that I join him in his criticism of ‘In God we trust’ being on the coinage, though from as it were the other side of the coin. I consider it sacrilegious, even blasphemous to have a reference to the deity there. It goes contra to Christ’s answer to his detractors, the Pharisees, when they asked him “Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” and he specifically asked them to give him a coin, which they did, he then asking them whose likeness was on the coin. And so it went: “Render unto Caesar…etc.” Now, if there is the name of God on the coin, which god could that be? It could only be Mammon.
And I will say also that one’s thoughts about governance are equally separate from thoughts about a Christian faith, so there is no need, psychohistorian to conjoin the two. Christ himself separates them, and who are we to argue with his clear and absolute division between the two, no matter who else thinks they ought to be joined?
If we are to argue on that point, I’d hope we can do it as delightfully as did james and Russ.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2020 21:51 utc | 31

@ Posted by: Hoyeru | Oct 7 2020 21:27 utc | 30
Not only that, but Marx had already correctly stated capitalism’s division of labor is the most cooperative ever invented. The industrial production line is the most perfected form of cooperation humanity has ever created so far.

Posted by: vk | Oct 7 2020 21:52 utc | 32

@Kooshy | 16
The article, more specifically some of the interviews, read like an attempt to ‘manage’ various allegations made by Lindsey Snell in her recent articles/ interviews with Syrian militias who claim that they were lied to by Turkey and later forced to fight at gunpoint.
Since the participation of Syrian was alleged by France and Germany Azerbaijan has now ‘closed its borders’ to such militias and it looks like Turkey is laughably trying to imply that the militias were workibg on their own! ))

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 7 2020 21:53 utc | 33

Deltaeus @ 25
Thanks for your question and challenge.
Firstly I am no academic, I just have a good eye and ear for the truth,
I haven’t spent time looking into your point, so will answer from my own personal first hand contact with the U.K. public !
Dispite all the govenment misinformation it’s clear that well over half the population have a strong wish to keep themselves and loved ones safe and alive. I’d estimate 50%.
We live and learn. The Tory’s and buseness have desperately tried to get people back to work for finanacal reasons.
So to answer dispite polatians advice and rules. the public have began to learn and adapt. For selve preservation. Put simply we don’t want to die.
Your turn ! Give us a short discription of your view (overall) and here’s my question ——
How do you forecast the infection and death rate will go over the next 2-3 years. Both with a successful lockdown or without ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 7 2020 21:55 utc | 34

@ karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 19:07 utc | 11.. thanks to you for that link from earlier! it is quite good all that lavrov says in it too..
@ Paco | Oct 7 2020 20:35 utc | 18… thanks paco for looking into that.. it might be it, but there are no english subtitles to go with it, so for now – i hope it shows up with english subtitles at some point…
@ juliania | Oct 7 2020 21:04 utc | 22… thanks juliania! wise words from you and to which i agree with… lets pray for the best..

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 21:58 utc | 35

Paco @18–
Thanks for making that discovery and sharing!! I made a request at The Saker’s that he use his resources to post it to his website, hopefully with an English translation of some sort as it’s told in Russian as one would expect. The premise that The Wall was never destroyed, just moved Eastward seems to be well supported by today’s facts. It looks well produced, and I’m miffed yet again that I didn’t pursue my Russian language studies longer. The write-up is very negative toward Gorbachev:
“The Berlin Wall was already collapsing, and behind the Kremlin wall they still couldn’t believe it was possible. Then there was an unthinkable and great event for Germany and for the whole of Europe – the unification of Germany and the GDR. And despite the fact that this happened far from our borders, it was for Russia that it was a turning point. The way the leadership of the USSR behaved thirty years ago was contrary to national interests and became one of the most expensive diplomatic defeats in history for the country.
“In December 1989, Mikhail Gorbachev made it clear at the Plenum of the Cpsu Central Committee that the Soviet Union would not abandon the GDR to its fate. Further is well known to all. The East Germans could not have imagined that there would be no equal agreement on unification, that they would lose most of their civil rights. Could Mikhail Gorbachev do something for his loyal allies during the negotiations?
“And did the Soviet Union have real opportunities to maintain its military and political presence in Germany without allowing NATO to expand to the east?”
A longer review of the program is available here. Use Microsoft Edge and it will ask if you want the page translated into English. The film’s 47.5 minutes long.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 22:08 utc | 36

Prof k @ 28
Thank you for that sir. You have my full respect. In one go you cut through all the crap, and replaced it with simple sanity.
Kudos.
I’d vote for you.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 7 2020 22:09 utc | 37

@karlof1 #11, @Paco #18
The Wall is also available on Rossiya 24’s YouTube channel.
Machine translation of another movie blurb:

Film by Andrey Kondrashov.
The Berlin Wall was already crumbling, and beyond the Kremlin wall, they still could not believe that this was possible. Then an absolutely unthinkable and great event took place both for Germany and for all of Europe – the unification of the FRG and the GDR. And despite the fact that this was happening far from our borders, it was for Russia that it was a turning point. The way the leadership of the USSR behaved thirty years ago was contrary to national interests and became one of the most expensive diplomatic defeats in history for the country.
In December 1989, at the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Mikhail Gorbachev stated unequivocally that the Soviet Union would not leave the GDR to its fate. The rest is well known to all. The East Germans never imagined that there would be no equal treaty of unification, that they would lose most of their civil rights. Could Mikhail Gorbachev have done something for his loyal allies during the negotiations?
And did the Soviet Union have real capabilities to maintain its military-political presence in Germany, preventing NATO expansion to the east?

And yet another, longer movie blurb:

THE HISTORY OF THE CREATION AND FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL – IN THE NEW FILM BY ANDREY KONDRASHOV
The Berlin Wall is a symbol of the division of Europe and the whole world, the confrontation between East and West, a demonstrative border of hostile military-political blocs. The 155-kilometer concrete structure was built by the GDR authorities in 1961 and surrounded West Berlin, complete with barbed wire, minefields and watchtowers with armed soldiers. At the same time, residents of the western part of the city could freely move around the world – the wall blocked the way only for citizens of the GDR. The new film of the famous TV journalist Andrei Kondrashov “The Wall”, dedicated to the 30th anniversary of the unification of Germany, tells the history of the Berlin Wall – from its creation to its fall – and sheds light on events in which many see the origins of the main problems of our time.
When Soviet and American tanks began to gather on both sides of the wall under construction in October 1961, the world was literally on the verge of a third world war. Soviet vehicles came out to meet the American troops, which moved in a column to the checkpoint. One shot on Friedrichstrasse could then lead to a nuclear disaster, but the West still recognized the borders of the eastern state. But admitting does not mean approving. What in the east has always been considered a “fascist defensive rampart,” Western journalists continued to call the “wall of shame.” The propaganda was at full blast, and it smelled equally bad on both sides of the wall.
Sometimes the citizens of the GDR managed to cross to the west side. Willing to do anything for freedom, these people were not afraid to be arrested or even killed. And yet, in general, life in the eastern part was not much like a conclusion. There were no unemployed, homeless people, crime remained at a level four times lower than in Germany. East Germany held leading positions in the field of mechanical engineering and electronics, and the republic’s educational system served as a model for many countries around the world. Libraries, theaters, social insurance – citizens of the GDR could use these benefits, if not free of charge, then for symbolic money. Well, brotherly love with the USSR was reinforced by the historical kiss of Brezhnev and Honacker. And yet, over time, tensions among the population grew.
The fall of the Berlin Wall is still considered one of the most expensive diplomatic defeats in history. The way the leadership of the USSR behaved at that moment was completely contrary to the interests of the country. On October 7, 1989, on the day of the celebration of the 40th anniversary of the GDR, Gorbachev arrived in Berlin. He continued to make loud statements that as long as there is NATO and the Warsaw Pact, there will be no unification of Germany. Then no one knew that the wall had only a month to stand, and the GDR – to exist only for one year.
How was the Berlin Wall destroyed? Why is the 1989 Malta Summit called the “Yalta Conference in reverse”? What repression followed the fall of the GDR, and where did the former head of the republic, Erich Honacker, end his days? Why did not an equal unification of Germany take place? For what amount and in what time frame did the USSR withdraw its troops from Germany? How did the heroic history of the Western Group of Forces, created to preserve peace in Europe and eliminate the threat of a new war, end? And finally – why is it said today that the Berlin Wall has not yet been destroyed, but simply moved to the borders of Russia? Answers – in the documentary film “The Wall” by Andrey Kondrashov.

Posted by: S | Oct 7 2020 22:15 utc | 38

Oops, karlof1 beat me to it!

Posted by: S | Oct 7 2020 22:33 utc | 39

from what i remember, the us was very unhappy that the opcw was not cooperating in the war propaganda, so they got the head of it canned and replaced with somebody more amenable ot u.s. pressure. bolton is widely believed to have threatened his kids to get him to resign.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 7 2020 22:37 utc | 40

S @39–
Thanks for those additions! I left a note with links at The Saker’s since his team of translators have worked on a few Russian films and programs previously, and I hope they’ll do so again.
I hope barflies will read Putin’s Rossiya 1 TV interview and focus closely on what he says at its end about the US election, particularly these words:
“As for the Democratic candidate, what can I say? We can hear rather sharp anti-Russian rhetoric as well. Regrettably, we have become used to this. But some things are worth mentioning. First, the Democratic Party is traditionally closer to the so-called liberal values, closer to Social Democratic ideas, if compared to Europe. And it was from the Social Democratic environment that the Communist Party evolved.
“After all, I was a member of the Soviet Communist Party for nearly 20 years, or more precisely 18 years. I was a rank-and-file member, but it can be said that I believed in the party’s ideas. I still like many of these left-wing values. Equality and fraternity. What is bad about them? In fact, they are akin to Christian values. Yes, they are difficult to implement, but they are very attractive, nevertheless. In other words, this can be seen as an ideological basis for developing contacts with the Democratic representative.”
More follows, but IMO those are the more important. I expect Putin’s words to be twisted every which-way by BigLie Media to prove he’s–again–interfering in an election, particularly since the blanket ban on immigration of current or former communist party members, the wording of which I find hilarious:
“On Oct. 2, USCIS issued policy guidance in the USCIS Policy Manual to address inadmissibility based on membership in or affiliation with the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party. Membership in or affiliation with the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party is inconsistent and incompatible with the Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America, which includes pledging to “support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States….”
“In general, unless otherwise exempt, any intending immigrant who is a member or affiliate of the Communist Party or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible to the United States….
“The inadmissibility ground for membership in or affiliation with the Communist or any other totalitarian party is part of a broader set of laws passed by Congress to address threats to the safety and security of the United States. In general, unless otherwise exempt, any immigrant who is or has been a member of or affiliated with the Communist or any other totalitarian party (or subdivision or affiliate), domestic or foreign, is inadmissible to the United States.”
I’m certain most can connect the dots. Also begged is the definition of a totalitarian party–don’t the D & R Parties qualify too? Don’t they share a monopoly on power as the Duopoly no different than your ordinary Fascist organization as Sidney Wolin postulated? IMO, such an alteration of the law proves the gross ignorance existing within the Outlaw US Empire about the genuine nature of China’s political culture, governmental structure and its procedures. Crazy!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 22:52 utc | 41

Attention: COVID Anti-maskers: This video is for YOU.
Chris Martenson says: “Be Smart Wear A Mask”
The health and life you save may be your own. Plus it will defeat intrusive government facial recognition software as a bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KANNNty9V3o

Posted by: gm | Oct 7 2020 22:53 utc | 42

Profk is off his rocker, but it is typical of the scientific illiteracy one sees here. As a biologist of over 30 years I have signed the Barrington Declaration, as everything it says is true and it is very clear from the response it has gotten here that this is not about public health or rational science, it is about insane political/social objectives being forced on the people by the globalist left.

Posted by: biovizer | Oct 7 2020 22:55 utc | 43

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 7 2020 21:53 utc | 34
For fact, Iran issued a strong warning to all involved, Iran wouldn’t accept salafi jehadies anywhere near her borders. Azeries traditionally are very religious shia people, somesay even more than other Iranians, making things miserable or secular Azerbaijan government is very easy for Iran. Shia Azaries Religious leader is Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Khamenei who himself is a Azeri and speaks the language fluently. Erdo and his American backers can only have a wet dream but not climax.

Posted by: kooshy | Oct 7 2020 23:01 utc | 44

@ s 39 / karlof1 42…. the video that @paco shared is different then the one @s shared.. i think the one @ s shared might be the correct one, as it is more like a 2 hour movie, as opposed to the one @ paco shared which is less then an hour long.. hopefully someone will translate it.. thanks everyone.. i would like to see it..

Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 23:15 utc | 45

biovizer @44–
Sorry, but I must support ProfK’s factual assertions regarding what are termed lockdowns in the GBD weren’t lockdowns at all; restrictions, yes, but not lockdowns. China was certainly the leading lockdown nation and for excellent reasons. I would also argue that China provided–and continues to provide–the best example of what the GBD calls Focused Protection since it’s actually a societal MUST given its population and its density. Furthermore, lockdown policies don’t automatically generate the negative affects the GBD postulates since those can be mitigated when the polices are properly thought out and implemented, which they most certainly have not. Then we have the demolition of public health support systems throughout the Neoliberal world that made it close to impossible to implement such reasonable and properly thought out policies–Trump’s actions being the most egregious and well documented.
I would accuse you of having your own particular form of illiteracy when you signed a document you didn’t fully understand, what constitutes a lockdown being primary.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 23:22 utc | 46

Here is a very interesting, fact filled Ben Norton/Aaron Mate Grayzone YT (55 minutes long) from a week ago that delves into leaked findings of four UK-registered PR firms hired to craft and supervise part of the massive western media propaganda campaign in the run-up to the Syria proxy war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnJYNCtwB60
I always wondered why the four stage-managed ISIS “Beatle” televised throat-cutters all had British accents…perhaps it is because they were all recruited/directed by these British firms using local UK talent?

Posted by: gm | Oct 7 2020 23:35 utc | 47

On the tactical level…
Someone once presented me with a very interesting idea. Some very big changes can be affected by doing small, practical things that can often fly under the radar. His example was jury trials. Currently, it is practice to allow jury selection to drag, each side trying to get ‘good’ jurors. The process is supposed to be random selection. So, put a limit on the selection period. If a jury isn’t seated in 24 hours, mistrial and everybody walks.
The problem I’ve been thinking about recently (because I’m a life-long programmer) is The Blackmail Machine. To progress, it must be killed. Panopticon/Five Eyes/Total Situational Awareness is a fragile fantasy. They certainly have the ability to get everything, but the requirements for true utility of the system are decryption capability (prime!!!) and automated filtration.
The decryption requires huge amounts of compute power if you have not subverted the key generation or the algorithm itself. Good filters limit the amount of data that must be decrypted. Pre-decryption filtering is a ‘big chunks’ straining process. Stuff that has been encrypted by known (and maybe subverted) algos can exhibit patterns in the output, enabling filtration. You thereby have a biffurcation into easy/hard.
In the easy pile, you can start looking for other patterns, since some algos will also poorly obfuscate repeat data (like digitized dial tone). I suggest action against the easy pile because it is the bulk of what they collect, and they assume low operational cost in that realm. It can be more easily knocked over. The hard pile must also go, but let’s start somewhere attainable.
Anyway, I’m not a cryptographer by trade, so I only have some operational stuff to say about it. The operational is good enough to enable us to now attempt some action against The Blackmail Machine. I have 3 main courses that I guesstimate would yield good results. There are many possibilities (I’ve often harrangued patrons of this bar about binary or limited thought), so if you would like to take a crack, please add to/delete from/destroy my idea.
The three are: 1) all dark, 2) all light, 3) noise
All dark and all light have been discussed by many. Bruce Schneier is a good place, but he (as we all) has his ideological bent, that shows more and more recently. Either one of these is really scary to TPTB. Neither will happen, but going down either path could be helpful.
Noise is something practical that almost anyone with an internet connection can do, and with very little bandwidth. In fact, I just myself realized that you could go to a Kinko’s or a public library and do this with Amazon AWS instances…triple the fun!
As a thought experiment (while riding my bicycle up a steep mountain road) I wondered about setting up P2P VoIP connections and sending random stuff, some encrypted and maybe some not encrypted. Make it unnecessarily high bitrate, like 44Khz stereo. Ah, but patterns could be spotted and I’d get weeded out. I couldn’t simply have one VoIP client connect to another, then play “The Miraculous Mandarin” over and over. This would require simple scripts that could hold a seemingly natural conversation.
Asterisk servers. Set up 2 of these, script on each side that randomly initiates calls to the other. Once the call connects, one side selects random audio (or generates it) and plays for a random duration. The other side optionally waits for silence, or butts in, and plays random audio for a random period. The back-and-forth can go for a random period. The more patterns can removed, the better chance to pass the frontline strainer.
This is P2P over the internet, so there is no ‘phone call’ cost. You are simply testing your pbx software, so it is certainly not illegal. Bonus if you can use up Amazon bandwidth and compute power! Another bonus if you are rich (The Magic Christian comes to mind) and can afford to set up farms of these, again preferably at Amazon.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 7 2020 23:55 utc | 48

The Keiser Report I linked to @21 above had a guest during the 2nd half I suggested people listen to in which he talks about his 5-part essay series. At the end of this brief missive, “In the Footsteps of Rome: Maybe It No Longer Matters Who’s Emperor,” is a curious visual depicting our socio-economic dominoes beginning to topple. This is one of those 5 short essays, which I hope to compile in one posting so all barflies can get to them easily. But that’s going to be a project for tomorrow.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 8 2020 0:09 utc | 49

Hoyeru | Oct 7 2020 21:27 utc | 30 – Interesting contribution! A few points are worth commenting.
1. ‘Homo Sapiens became the the dominant life form on Earth because the individual members cooperated with each other instead of competition. For some reason, the Westerns/Americans choose to somehow not be aware of this’
My conclusion regarding this is that human nature can be divided into two categories :
A – those who are authoritarian in nature and are motivated by fear and greed;
B -those who are collaborative in nature and motivated by the collective good.
In any society you will find some of each, but which category dominates depends on the overall culture of the society. ‘Anglo’ culture is dominated by type A, while Russian culture is dominated by type B.
2. ‘but the other part (of game theory) about modifying and directing your opponent/enemy’s behavior was successfully implemented against Japan by USA’
What’s interesting is that most people do not recognize that the above categories exist, and they believe that everyone else shares their same value system. Game theory only works for people who share the same value system and, from what I read in the linked paper, is predicated on the values of category A.
You state that ‘to this day USA still uses Game Theory’ against its adversaries. But it seems to me that its success against Russia is equivocal, to say the least. The West seems to be continuously ‘wrong-footed’ by Russia, and I would argue that this is because they operate on fundamentally different value systems.
3. ‘For some reason Russia hasn’t heard of USA’s proverb it seems: “Nice guys finish last” and prefers to play noble and by the rules while its adversaries are free to cheat/lie as they see fit’.
When I was growing up, in the 60s, the proverb was ‘It’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game’. But, about 1980, this changed to ‘Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing’. This also coincided with a shift in the culture of the U.S. to a markedly more authoritarian, ‘Category A’ set of values.
The problem is that when you ‘cheat/lie as they see fit’ you destroy the game, you ‘kill the goose that lays the golden egg’.
And this is indeed what has happened to the U.S. Since 1980 they have wrecked their economic and democratic systems. And, since 2000, they have been actively undermining the international institutions that have underpinned peace and prosperity for more than half a century.
The problem is that, when you destroy these systems and institutions, you don’t miraculously get new systems more to your liking. These systems take decades to develop. What you get is anarchy.
Thank God that Russia ‘prefers to play noble and by the rules’!

Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 8 2020 0:30 utc | 50

@james re: Bolivia
James first, full disclosure… I’ve never been to Bolivia, my 31 yr. old daughter has twice just before and then after the coup in Feb of this year. I have been to Ecuador, Peru and spent quite a bit of time in central America and Mexico along with decades working with Latinos in the public schools. I never did “tourism” stuff there, usually my own extended rustic trips.
I follow Ollie Vargas, a half Brit half Bolivian journalist, he’s the real deal, he is connected with Kawsachun News, they are very good, on twitter, hard core MAS, front line, dedicated courageous people. Follow them if you do twitter.
From what I can tell MAS is poised to take back power in Bolivia. The right wing is in disarray and were never organized at the level of, say, Pinochet in Chile. My guess is that the US has not matched their wet dreams of another fascist regime with an “on the ground” program of support to replace, for example, the medical vacuum when they forced Cuban doctors out. MAS appears to be more organized and more ready to fight hard than many of us arm chair leftists imagined (myself included, i’m a retired guidance counselor). They literally shut down the country in early August when the fascists postponed elections again. Since then the fascists have realized the peons have a spine and so many right wingers are holding their nose and now support Mesa, Joe Liebermann type worm who the neo libs love because he’s a total sellout and he doesn’t spew hate. Problem is his support comes from the neolib wannabe middle class which is totally stressed.
My prediction: the fascists will continue to try and coalesce around Mesa while the hired street thugs (think “proud boys”) attack MAS rallies, and MAS will win big in spite of the fraud. If the nazis steal the vote MAS will shut the country down.
They will win. They have no other alternative. IMO, they have earned it.

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:35 utc | 51

Regular readers may recall that some months ago I recommended watching a TV show called “Devils” which aired in Europe. It was not available in the US at the time, unless you downloaded it from the Internet, as I did. The show portrays what actually happens in financial trading banks and how that affects the nations of the world. In short, topics that resonate here at the bar. I highly recommend it, even if you – like Gruff – view all TV as “brainwashing”.
The CW purchased the rights to the show to fill out its fall schedule which, like all the networks, is somewhat depleted due to delay in production due to the pandemic. Tonight, episode one will air on the CW.
Here is the trailer from this spring, which is better at conveying the show than the CW trailer.
The plot synopsis from Wikipedia:

London, 2011
The Italian Massimo Ruggero is the Head of Trading at the huge American New York – London Bank (NYL). While the financial crisis is raging in Europe, Massimo is making hundreds of billions out of speculation.
As his mentor Dominic Morgan, the American CEO of NYL and the nearest to a father that Massimo has ever had, fully supports him, the talented trader seems to be the first choice in the run for vice-CEO.
But when Massimo is involved in a painful scandal that sees his ex-wife playing an escort, Dominic denies him the promotion, choosing the old-school banker Edward Stewart instead.
Massimo is left astounded: his father turned his back on him. Convinced that the scandal was a set-up, Massimo is determined to seek the truth but when Edward suddenly dies, Massimo realizes that something bigger is at stake.
With the help of his squad and a group of hacktivists, Massimo will discover the hidden agenda behind apparently unrelated events such as the Strauss-Khan scandal, the Libyan war and the crisis of the PIIGS.
Facing the Devils who pull the strings of the world, Massimo will have to choose whether to fight them or to join them.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 8 2020 0:36 utc | 52

follow up on the Bolivian elections.
The election is October 18. Luis Arce is running for MAS along with David Choquehuanca, an Aymara Indian, both very competent and Arce has pledged to continue socializing Bolivia’s public sector. He is a skilled economist and has strong ties to Evo Morales but the power is in the MAS party, not any one person.
Watch Bolivia. We can learn from them.

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:45 utc | 53

@ karlof1 Re Cynthia Chung
You are far too easily impressed.
“Every planet in our solar system is a different size and weight, with a different number of moons. Every planet revolves around the sun in imperfect elliptical orbits that change slowly overtime, the planets travel along these orbits in a non-uniform way that is observable through planetary retrograde motions”
What the hell does that mean? Planetary retrograde motions are a purely line of sight phenomenon and say nothing bout the motions of the observed bodies.
She then goes on to ‘prove’ that parallel lines do meet if you put them on the surface of a sphere, which is garbage. in her example the lines she sets up are not parallel very nearly so but not.
She also said
“The problem with assumptions such Euclid’s is that they are ultimately only true in an artificial situation and are not reflective of how such things will interact in reality. Also, there is no way to predict from Euclid’s fifth law, how two parallel lines would interact in a three dimensional space, let alone in n dimensional space as described by the physicist Bernard Riemann.”
Both pretentious and wrong on more than one count. Firstly, astrophysicists have yet to find any evidence that space is inherently curved in any way, so describing Euclidean geometry as ‘unrealistic’ is laughable. She is apparently confused about the concept of spacetime curvature. And most obviously, euclidean geometry works fine in 3 dimensions, whatever Cynthia Chung says.
My final point, mathematical models obviously have to make assumptions and simplifications because that is what mathematical models are. it is hardly Von Neumann’s fault that some people have taken a mathematical model and tried to use it as a ‘theory of everything’ Cynthia Chung should save her sneers for them.
In short, humanities wonk does science and just looks pretentious (whether she know it or not) Mathew Ehret is much the same.

Posted by: MarkU | Oct 8 2020 0:55 utc | 54

Just read this tweet from an infosec guy I follow. Apparently Trump quoted a tweet from three years ago. Those COVID-19 drugs appear to have done a number on Trump. LOL

Pwn All The Things @pwnallthethings
Today the president retweeted an account called AMErikaNGIRLLL in a tweet with twelve exclamation marks saying his opponent should not be allowed to run and he is entitled to win the election, and calling on Rosenstein, who left government months ago, to be fired. 2020 yall.
2:36 PM · Oct 7, 2020·Twitter Web App
Any single one of those things would have dominated the news cycle for a week four years ago and this is now so normal nobody will even bother to write a story about it. Because this is where we are now.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 8 2020 0:55 utc | 55

Biovizer reveals his reactionary and inhuman soul in his imbecile rejoinder.
The facts are that:
1. China’s lockdown worked and Chinese economic growth is real. Today’s Financial Times, which I linked to above, makes this clear.
2. There was a limited lockdown in parts of the US. But it wasn’t supported by progressive social policies. Far too much of the US remained open, including interstate travel. And the US had no public health system, or institutional capacity, to crush the virus. It also handed out trillions to the corporate sector but very little to workers and homeowners.
3. New Zealand has also shown, twice, that lockdowns work. See today’s New York Times article on NZ.
4. The evidence from the eastern Canadian provinces, which locked down and closed their borders to the rest of Canada, also shows that short but hard lockdowns combined with “walls” work and that life and economic activity will return to near normal as a result. These provinces have performed better than the rest of Canada in terms of economic recovery.
5. The reactionaries who signed that lousy declaration don’t care if the poor, elderly and sick are killed by covid. They just pretend to care. The underlying logic of their view is that markets rule, that capital rules, and the states should never touch the profits of capital and the billionaires’ billions.
6. The only solution is hard lockdowns for six weeks, at least in the worst off countries, plus direct payments to all residents, paid for by expropriations of billionaire wealth, all of which is produced by the working class anyways.
7. The idea that lockdowns hurt the poor is laughable. Capitalism hurts them every day. And capitalism made the lockdowns in the US ineffective. And capitalism made reopening happen far too early. And capitalism sent tens of thousands of frontline workers to their deaths. Capitalism has made the situation an ongoing nightmare.
For these breasons, that declaration is reactionary, right-wing trash all down the line.

Posted by: Prof K | Oct 8 2020 1:00 utc | 56

JackRabbit@15
I dont agree with you on religion. I believe the teachings of Jesus were perhaps the greatest thing for the common man at the bottom of societies hierarchy. I am not talking about the institutions of Christianity so much as they can and have been corrupted by the elites who wished to weaken Christian beliefs.
Christian values helped create monogamous marriages and stable family units. It may have been the greatest thing ever to protect women from abuse and from being disposed of after losing their youth. It taught people to love their neighbors and gave them hope in an afterlife if they obeyed Gods laws , which helped to create order, laws which could not be changed by the elite. As such the wealthy had to obey Gods laws as well or be excommunicated which would hurt their future earnings.
One reason the illuminated ones in the enlightenment sought to destroy religion was to free themselves from Gods laws. This is what they meant by liberty. Not for us, but for them. They understood that if mans laws could be free of being constrained by Gods laws that they could legalize any crime against humanity.
“Do as though wilt” was their ideal of a world free of morals where the elite would be totally free and the non-elite turned into debt slaves. Stalin and Hitler both said that everything they did was legal under their laws. The pathocratic elite say the same today.
I don’t believe in the dogma of religion or any religious institution, but failure to hold man and governments accountable to a higher power has permitted us to descend Jacobs ladder and leading us to a dystopian future of Techno-Pathocratic Fascism.

Posted by: Kay Fabe | Oct 8 2020 1:49 utc | 57

VP debate is seriously vomit material.
As low as the bar was held by the number 1’s.. the debate just proved that the number 2’s are just that…. and quite full of it too.
Yes, that was a joke on them being really sh1te, in case the Trump fans needed extra explaining… demographics and all…

Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 8 2020 2:10 utc | 58

Oh FFS, Ligten up, MarkU @55. I had to go read the Chung piece after seeing this comment. Sure she has some hokey language in there, but on the von Neumann solar system thing, I’d really have to read the original source material. From the way she’s laid it out, neither one of them are making any valid analogies. From how she’s laid it out, it would appear that von Neumann is trying to pick and choose whether he considers a system (or game within a system) to be open or closed in order to justify his pre-conceived theory, and in effect intentionally limiting one type of system while leaving open any and everything in the other.
Nobody including karlof1 is coming away from that piece thinking that her main point was to successfully debunk Euclidian geometry and show that it is useless in every situation.
No matter, other than that part, I found it to be a nice little read, and she makes a good overall point. There is no reason to take the zero sum views that we are constantly told is how things work and how things must always work by our financial ruling class and their puppets in government and the Fed. Same goes with geopolitics. It’s time to reconsider some of these things if we’re really interested in solving what those of us “on the ground” consider to be actual, real-life problems.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Oct 8 2020 2:22 utc | 59

Prof K@57
We don’t have Capitalism today. When people speak of Capitalism most speak of Competitive Capitalism that is well regulated by government in the interests of the general welfare of all people. That ended in the 1970’s when the Trilateral Commission rolled out Project Democracy. A project to destroy the wests economy and society and thus Democratic Capitalism which they did over the next 40 + years in several phases.
In its place they phased in neoliberalism, best referred to as Neo-Capitalism or Monopoly (cartel like) Capitalism and PPP (public private partnerships). Today the Military, intelligence, Government, and global corporations are all one big blob. It is basically Mussolini’s Fascism although he preferred the name Corporatism. It is Corporatism that kills , not Capitalism.
The Globalists created Fascism and Communism in their search for an alternative to Democratic Competitive Capitalism. Both Communism and Fascism are Authoritarian and undemocratic. The only difference was
Communism was united under the religion of Socialism (a myth), and Fascism was united by Nationalism and sometimes by race. Economically, in Communism you had State run Corporations and no private ownership whereas is Fascism the Corporations run the State and allowed private ownership.
The global elites hiding behind the Anti Communist movement decided on Fascism since they would own the most . They later convinced China to adopt what they Communitarianism which is a synthesis of Communism and Capitalism, which is basically Fascism in all but name. This allowed China to keep its national religion of Socialism. This followed the 1987 roll out of Our Common Future which was the blueprint for Agenda 21 in 1992.
In the FSU socialism was never a religion and they chose Fake Democracy to maintaining the illusion of Socialism. But basically its just semantics. Russia, China and West all have wealth concentrated in the hands of the top 0.1-1%.
Those leaders in fake democratic EU, UK, Russia, US are all operating in their own interests to exploit and control the people and using academia, education, MSM, Hollywood, social media to brain wash and manipulate the people with propaganda and fake news by which they may control the outcomes of elections
This is a Global Agenda driven to implement Agenda 21/Agenda 2030 and the Fourth Industrial Revolution will follow the Great Reset which will be announced by the WEF in Davos this January. China and most nations have signed on to it hence the similar approaches to COVID-19. COVID-19 is an accelerator as Climate Change was not moving fast enough
The West needed to suffer the most from COVID because society and their economy needed to be disintegrated before people would surrender their religion of Democracy and Freedom for Authoritarian Communitarianism (aka Fascism) They also were going to have the largest reductions in living standards which were too high for the elites taste. Not sustainable they say.
Basically lockdowns are a weapon used in the War on the Wests Middle and Lower Classes. The disintegration of the US and Europes economies also serves as a selling point for the rest of the world that a New World Order without Democracy is the way to go. China is being raised as the model. Its all a Global Psyops

Posted by: Kay Fabe | Oct 8 2020 2:39 utc | 60

Dr Wellington Yueh @ 49
I doubt that would put much of a dent into the agencies’ storage budget since voice compression codecs are extremely efficient, and transcribing it into text is trivial. Encrypted content would prove more of a challenge since they have to store it for later decryption.
A more practical short-term approach would be to get everyone off the state-approved-and-monitored proprietary services (Whatsapp, Zoom, etc.) and devices (all smartphones with a baseband processor a.k.a. backdoor) and onto Free (as in speech, not beer) Software with real end-to-end encryption. However the thorough infiltration of Free Software communities by corporate-state actors forcing adoption of compromised garbage and value systems poses another problem entirely…

Posted by: Drive-by Commenting | Oct 8 2020 3:42 utc | 61

@ProfK 57
I nearly agree with you. A proper lockdown would stop the virus in its tracks: a month of zero contact for every human being across the entire world would probably solve the problem. However, I mean
Every.
Single.
Person.
All of them. Not one single human being, anywhere in the world allowed outside.
You, on the other hand, expect the working poor to continue slaving away for your comfort and convenience, but anyone who doesn’t provide you with your comfortable middle class existence can just go somewhere and starve, for your personal safety and protection. Lockdown for all, except the people who collect your rubbish.
Obviously you would insist on the police being out and about, to keep you feeling safe and to enforce your draconian lockdown (again, to keep you safe). You will want to eat, so food delivery drivers, meat packers, farmers etc should all keep working to ensure your comfort. The single mother working three jobs should keep on working the till at the supermarket, because you might want to pop in and buy some more expensive french cheese etc. Nurses and doctors go without saying, because, well, you’re worth it!
In other words, the virus is so dangerous that the vast majority of the population must become poorer to keep you safe, but anyone who’s job keeps you comfortable must continue to risk their lives for your comfort and convenience.
It all seems a bit pointless, and hugely selfish and self serving.
And dishonest.

Posted by: C | Oct 8 2020 4:10 utc | 63

@Drive-by Commenting #62:

voice compression codecs are extremely efficient,

If you control the servers, you can select whatever codec you want, like uncompressed WAV.
Storage is a done deal, true. Better to try to overwhelm compute and personnel resources if possible.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 8 2020 4:10 utc | 64

Kay Fabe @Oct8 1:49 #58
I dont agree with you on religion.
Really?
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I believe the teachings of Jesus were perhaps the greatest thing for the common man at the bottom of societies hierarchy.
I think I hinted that I agreed with such sentiment when I grouped Jesus with other towering reformers like Karl Marx, Martin Luther King, and Julian Assange.
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I am not talking about the institutions of Christianity so much as they can and have been corrupted by the elites who wished to weaken Christian beliefs.
But my argument relates directly to the religious institutions so you are announcing that you are about to talk past my remarks. Which you proceed to do. And your virtue signaling leads into a rant against those who would destroy religion.
But I’m not seeking to destroy religion. I’m seeking a recognition of religious institutions having weaponized spirituality and reverence against the people. Not only do we see hierarchical social structures reinforced by religious institutions but we see fundamentalism that breeds hate and division. It’s clear that fundamentalist fanatics (Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, etc.) are used to advance elite interests.
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I don’t believe in the dogma of religion or any religious institution …
We agree!
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… but failure to hold man and governments accountable to a higher power has permitted us to descend Jacobs ladder and leading us to a dystopian future of Techno-Pathocratic Fascism.
Morality and ethics are independent of faith. The faithful are not permitted to see that – they are indoctrinated into an us vs them world that pits them against nonbelievers.
And religious people have failed to hold elites accountable for centuries. Why should we believe that they represent “the answer”, or even “an answer” to elite corruption today?
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 4:52 utc | 65

Wife’s son and his wife tested positive. Officially they are now ‘cases’. In both cases testing was employment based. Results took seven days. Test results went to HR, not to the patients. So one HR department sat on it for two days and the other for five. In both cases there are no symptoms. In both cases they were sent home from work and told to self quarantine for fourteen days.
So twelve days from test to action. And then fourteen days of quarantine. Self quarantine, no supervision. No referral to a doctor. No advice to load up on D, C, or zinc. Just bureaucratic shuffling. That’s how we roll around here.
For the son it is now the second time he has falsely been told he has covid. Neither of the kids is gripped by fear, they think it’s funny and they get two weeks off with pay.
The son does work for State of Illinois, who is supposed to be in charge of coping with a pandemic. Right. No one is in charge of anything. Will repeat what I said here in February. US is culturally incapable of responding. US does not have a concept of public health.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 8 2020 5:46 utc | 66

Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 7 2020 23:55 utc | 49
“…huge amounts of compute power if you have not subverted the key generation or the algorithm itself.”
Dr WY, do you realize how powerful is that datum? It actually invites long-range, ideal goals, even an impossible one of outrageous, daydream quality [recall TIA? Total Information Access-type programs?]. Long-Range Planning, using 10 or 20 years or longer periods, not only enables unlimited goals, it also enables unlimited cloaking.
OTOH, simple, Long-Range Counter-Planning will enable easy discovery of totally unsuspected operations that have heretofore been layered-over with dead-end, “obvious” paths to explore…all to misdirect any attempt to discover the op.
By the 1950s, IBM’s history of producing machines to handle data was known and used worldwide. Their machines were reliable and produced results, thus they were regarded as among the smartest innovators of workable, data processing. But importantly, they were huge and always known to be very profitable and competitive. I.e., they made very few dumb mistakes.
When for some reason they “decided” to mass produce their Personal Computer, they “for some reason” chose to license some outsider’s Operating System…they had no patience to write their own…or maybe it would be too difficult for their not-too-bright staff. So they bought one from young BGates and IBM’s management and lawyers and marketing planners just did not think of owning the OS, but just paying a royalty for each use and oddly, a total outsider kid now got access to their internal affairs and IBM was now answering to BGates who would collect unlimited royalties…because, it seems, IBM said they did not care if any future competitors also used the same OS, “we don’t want no stinkin’ exclusive license”. Furthermore, “we don’t care whether BG created the OS or he is just a middleman and s/o else created the OS and BG bought it and kindly offered it to us, because some how that suits us fine”. “We don’t give a damn about any competitors can also use it”.
What happened is… Tim Paterson created the Quick & Dirty Op Sys [DOS] while working at another company, then sold all rights to BG, who miraculously offerred it to IBM. TPaterson and Microsoft then adapted it to the IBM PC…Microsoft later named it MS-DOS.
Does any MOA reader see s/g queer about this story? IBM did not want complete control of IBM’s PC? That anyone could make their own computer hardware and license the equivalent OS?
The PC sure set off a global market for home computers. The MS DOS sure went universal. And IBM and .intell- types sure were totally surprised at the fortuitous success of MS.
BGates was sure lucky to corner the global market with MS-DOS he bought from Tim Paterson.
OTOH, maybe there was no reason for BG to ever know just how MS maybe “subverted the key generation or the algorithm itself” [see 1st paragraph]…for which “backdoor” generation would do nicely.
Note: MS DOS used command-line prompt for user to communicate with the computer. Then Graphical User Image was adopted to just click on an image, which acted in lieu of typing commands; multiple “windows” were also adopted. I read that GUI and Windows and the “mouse” originally came from Xerox Co. labs.

Posted by: chu teh | Oct 8 2020 6:00 utc | 67

@james Best Drummer Ever?
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 6:16 utc | 68

@chu teh #68, uh…thanks for the computer history lesson, I guess?
I saw Bill Gates’ fucked-up rise to power. He is a eugenicist of software. His tactics were buy, steal or crush. He killed whole software ecosystems. If you think about things like WinAmp, and all the ancillary programming that went into plug-ins and the like, imagine similar products that could have been really expansive and generated innovation…killed in the womb!
I have a Windows NT 3.51 MCSE (hahaha-fucking-ha!). I watched as Microsoft’s brilliant engineers took David Cutler’s spectacular work, originating in VAX VMS, and perverted it into a busy-box. Windows NT bled the bottom end of the workstation market (DEC, SGI, HP and others all suffered a bit). Anyone who needed a cheap(er) workstation was now stuck with NT or limping along on a ported version of some other OS.
Can you tell I’m bitter about that Gates fellow?

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 8 2020 6:31 utc | 69

The most fun thing I have seen tonight about the US VP debate was a video of a fly sitting on top of Pense’s head for two minutes…..
@ Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 4:52 utc | 66 who wrote

Morality and ethics are independent of faith. The faithful are not permitted to see that – they are indoctrinated into an us vs them world that pits them against nonbelievers.
And religious people have failed to hold elites accountable for centuries. Why should we believe that they represent “the answer”, or even “an answer” to elite corruption today?

Agreed, but I want to take the religious issue further.
That same faith that pits faith breathers against nonbelievers also has the leadership and sheep not question the God of Mammon religion that makes a sham out of claims of freedom and democracy in the West.
That same faith has the sheep believe that their bodies are not them but mere vessels of ones religious soul and their lives here on earth are secondary to their “eternal life”…..how anti-humanistic is that?
That same faith has the sheep abdicate complete responsibility for some/critical aspects of their life actions as they turn over whatever decision making to their faith interpretations…….its like a rules based social organization instead of a law based social organization….sound familiar?
Enough for now. I live by and respect many of the Christian values I was raised with. That said, The social organization of the West is a far cry from Christian values but is being touted as representing such. To the extent that Christians in the West continue to delude themselves with faith that God’s work is being done, the shit show we are experiencing will continue.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 8 2020 6:33 utc | 70

Michael Hudson and Steve Keen were on RT’s Crosstalk with Bowtie Lavelle talking about the inherent instability of a capitalist system. Keen makes the point that mainstream/orthodox economists still rely on a equilibrium model of the economy which – if off-balance – can be stirred back into equilibirum by interest rate adjustment (and countercycling fiscal policy). Today, most major central banks use a so called Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium model (DSGE) which is basically only an offshoot of the Neoclassical Model using neoclassical assumption of Bentham’s Utilitarism paired with axioms of rational expectations and intertemporal consumption patterns; explaining macro phenomena (growth, unemployment, inflation, etc) by extrapolating from a micro perspective (rational, self- interested individual, consumption-maximizing, etc).
One of the best dissection of Neoclassical Junkeconomics is Keen’s own book Debunking Economics which you can also read for free if you search for the eponymous pdf in your search engine.
Of course, this theoretical model is only a camouflage tactic of the gatekeeper-economists to justify the parasitic behavior of the financial class to do “whatever it takes” (Draghi) to continue benefitting themselves.

Posted by: vato | Oct 8 2020 8:44 utc | 71

Eurosurveillance – quality of PCR-tests

Incorrect results (including false-positive or not determined as laboratories should be able to report clear results by molecular methods) were reported for the true negative sample CVOP20S-05 in 14 (2.7%) datasets (with three false-positive and 11 not determined), for the SARS-CoV-2 negative educational sample CVOP20S-02 in 16 (3.1%) datasets (five false-positive, 11 not determined), and for the other SARS-CoV-2 negative educational sample CVOP20S-04 in 15 (2.9%) datasets (three false-positive, 12 not determined). At the laboratory level, 10 laboratories showed specificity issues by reporting false-positive or indeterminate results for the negative control and/or the two educational specificity samples, while 41 laboratories did not detect one or both of the two low-concentration samples (CVOP20S-08 and -03). Three laboratories showed both sensitivity and specificity issues and another two did not reproduce the results for the duplicated samples (CVOP20S-01 and -06).
Many participants provided quantification cycle (Cq) values in this EQA scheme. An overall median and range of the Cq values reported is shown for each SARS-CoV-2 positive sample in Table 1. While the medians reflect the expected gradation according to the virus concentration in the 10-fold sample dilutions, we observed considerable spread in Cq values with regard to the underlying target genes. This reflects differences in assay methods and the current lack of standardisation between assays. However, the overall percentage of correctly reported qualitative results was 98.3% for the E gene (reported in 197 datasets), 93.3% for the N gene (91 datasets), 96.3% for the ORF1ab gene (88 datasets), 95.6% for the RdRP gene (83 datasets) and 93.9% for the S gene (47 datasets) when used as the respective main molecular target (15 datasets did not state the target gene

Positive rate of tests in Germany at present is 1.6 percent. About 1 percent of those correctly identified a molecule you don’t know if it is connected to a live virus or not.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 8:54 utc | 72

re Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 6:16 utc | 69
I’m not James nor an nth of the muso he is but when I watched that bloke all I saw was an average rock drummer cranking out the same old same old not very well.
He knows some of the rudiments and can play them fast, but I didn’t hear any difficult rhythm changes/ time signatures. A seven stroke roll only takes a drummer so far. Wipeout! Yeah it took me forever to learn it when I was a kid but as I said I’m no muso.
For me the hardest part of drumming was working with everyone else particularly the rest of the rhythm section eg the bass player sometimes pianist &/or a guitarist.
Drum solos just don’t challenge a player to keep time while reaching out. A good drummer is always going to be an integral part of the music, joining in the evolution is a way that no machine could, but for me anyway, a solo drummer is half or less of an essential equation.
Here is my favourite drummer The guy who turned me on to him, bought his late 90’s early oo’s kit, god knows why a kit is just a kit, but in the process he did get an autographed copy of Power, Passion & Beauty which he sent me just before he karked it, most likely cos we saw the band play not long before we went our separate ways. I’m not an 80th of the drummer my mate was & he may have said the same about his ability Vs Billy’s but I do understand that being the rhythm root is generally choosing to perform a collaborative art.
This guy has a good act as a busker but until he’s working in with others doing more than standard signatures, for me he’s the same as the bloke standing outside a supermarket playing an old copy of a martin & singing the busker’s lament – “knockin on heavens door”. That is harsh, so props to him if he is making a good living without having to feed corporate arseholes, but I doubt he is.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 8 2020 9:49 utc | 73

re: karlof1 @ 9 <=Chung makes clear that technology can model and positive feedback can control behavior to within desired or targeted behaviors <=reminds me of: how to lie with statistics. Assume the answer, back into one of a million possible solutions, select one (intergration?) The foundation of human behavior is experience, but the same event does not produce the same experience in any two humans at the same time, and the same event at a different time does not produce the same behavior in the same human. On rational behavior <=it depends on the environment at time t <=context sensitive?. Each increment of time produces new opportunity and new constraints. Government (USA) by its tax policy; uses taxpayer funds to finance private sector implementations of mind of control technology (see Snakes seven layers of control, below). Propaganda to encourage allowed behavior is encoded into media and software and hardware are developed which is capable to program the minds of the masses down to and including the individual. The dangerous technology <=5g: the latest hardware and software, implements private ownership of positive feedback control technology <=that can control all human behavior. The private sector is moving toward complete control <=over all human behavior (control collectively the masses awa <=control individually, each individual <=within the crowd). Individuals can be secretly tracked, survailed, and subjected to invisible [wireless] 24/7 feed back controlled, regulated behavior. The goal of these private wealthy owners is to establish for themselves security from the rath of out of control mass rebellion, to profit by regulating human behavior and ultimately to eliminate the need for, and the nuisance of government all together. To do this, the private sector Oligarch must establish <=a target behavior, must define allowed variance for each behavior to be controlled <= behavior ok, if within "predetermined, allowed limit". Invisible (5g), wireless, is far beyond Radio and TV <=technology that helped Oligarchs direct the masses into two world wars. 5g implements as a new currency [Federal Reserve], every transaction <=involving a behavior, must use wireless <= to express a human behavior, or can be tracked <=by wireless means. Human Life is a set of behaviors <=control those behaviors, to own the life. The main reason corporate Dems want so desperately to beat Trump in this election cycle Posted by: killwallstreet @ 12 <= is wall street.. , the world has come to understand the oligarchs own the world because they own the markets, the technology (by monopoly power[copyright and patent], the money supply, and the governments that control human behavior. Seven <= behavior is controlled by mind, body, experience, and technology layers <= instruments that control are government financed, privately owned model <= government is an instrument used by private interest to control behavior. private__Layer 1: Global Oligarchs, control entire nation state franchise system. private__Layer 2: Local Oligarchs, own+control local "named" nation state franchise.. public___Layer 3: Functional Government structured in accord with founding documents. private__Layer 4: Two party system:function to <=TO CONTROL THE MASSES private__Layer 5: the Electoral College: function to <=CONTROL ACCESS TO PRESIDENCY. public___Layer 6: the 340,000,000 who constitute the governed masses. private__Layer 7: 92% privately owned, main stream media. Forces external to the government are private actors <= "CORPORATIONS, POLITICAL PARTIES, OLIGARCHS, FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, ADVISORS, CONSULTANTS, NGOs, THINK TANKS, MAIN STREAM MEDIA AND BED TIME PARTNERS".

Posted by: snake | Oct 8 2020 10:21 utc | 74

I found the time to watch the film, long version, well spent time, but a bitter after taste remains, beware whoever knows a little or has any interest in Russian culture, history or language, I can’t think of a bigger historical swindle, maybe Columbus exchanging glass beads for gold on his arrival to America. There are a few hidden treasures, like the way Honecker was treated, detained in the same cell that he was tortured by the Gestapo, hidden messages from the past.
Well, I have to take a deep breath and plan a trip to Berlin, I have thought about it for a while but the fact that I do not speak German has made me postpone it, I’ve marked a few places to see like the abandoned headquarters in Wünsdorf, and a lot of other places.
To finish, Gorbachov, Yeltsin and Shevardnadze, history will be implacable with them.
Enjoy it, it is really worth watching.

Posted by: Paco | Oct 8 2020 10:45 utc | 75

Karys Mullis – the PCR inventior – explains how science works
“You have to make a living”.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 12:04 utc | 76

The Great Barrington Declaration.
Too bad the Focused Protection part starts off with bullshit.
“Nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity”.
Great idea. I guess in the US they will have to intern at the Whitehouse to acquire immunity before they start work at a nursing home.
“Staff rotation should be minimized”.
I love the use of the word “should”. Using the word “should” implies the statement does not have to be followed.
So, a Declaration to open the world up with mitigation measures that will not be followed (in the US at least).

Posted by: Randy | Oct 8 2020 12:22 utc | 77

I declare THE FLY on Mike Pence’s head to be the official winner at last night’s debate for having the best punchline.
I’M TRYING TO TELL YOU THIS IS SHIT! DON’T BUY THIS SHIT!
https://youtu.be/i0VcB9gxsMA

Posted by: Circe | Oct 8 2020 12:34 utc | 78

Actually the honorary FLY got more specific:
THIS GUY HAS SHIT FOR BRAINS.

Posted by: Circe | Oct 8 2020 12:48 utc | 79

Debsisdead @Oct8 9:49 #74

… all I saw was an average rock drummer cranking out the same old same old not very well.

That’s what I saw too Debs!
But this clickbait has 166 million views. Far more than any other drummer/drumming-focused video that I could find on Youtube.
This is how we are played by politicians, institutional religions, and business. Mass psychology is a powerful thing. And the information needed to play on our weaknesses (demographics, interests, etc.) is readily available to anyone with enough money to purchase it.
We should be using the global IT infrastructure to reformulate governance structures world wide. Instead, oligarch capitalism and government bureaucrats are turning the IT ‘blessing’ into a ‘curse’ of surveillance, control, and improved extraction.
!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 12:58 utc | 80

Circe @Oct8 12:48 #80
The fly couldn’t resist the bullshitter.
For me, the best moment in the debate was when Harris mouthed the word “wow” because the bullshit from Pence was astounding.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 13:01 utc | 81

Here is an excellent YT discussion (~35 min) on Trump’s recent nCov2 infection, and the meds and care he is receiving, given by a very clear speaking and actve infectious disease/covid specialist/clinician Daniel Griffin, and academic virologist Vincent Racaniello, a terrific down-the-middle interviewer, who usually is able to skillfully probe honesty from his guests without getting confrontational (except for times he interviewed “gain-of-funcction” heavy-hitters like Ralph Baric or Pater Daczak).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFpp3pIRjGQ

Posted by: gm | Oct 8 2020 13:01 utc | 82

@migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:35 utc | 52
Thank you so much for the report from Bolivia. This was very interesting news!

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 8 2020 13:09 utc | 83

gm @Oct8 13:01 #83
The letter from Trump’s doctor says that he tested negative for anti-bodies last Thursday, then positive on Monday.
This is supposed to show Regeneron’s ability to energies the body’s fight against the virus.
But If Trump had no anti-bodies last Thursday, how did they know he had the virus? It seems to me that any healthy body will mount some response to the virus. Regeneron helps those whose response are inadequate. But if the body has no response at all then there’s likely no virus.
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IMO Trump went to Walter Reed Hospital (WRH) only for observation. It’s doubtful that he ever had the virus. He was administered Regeneron only as a precaution/prophylactic. And he tests “positive” now only because of the anti-bodies that he got from Regeneron.
IMO the entire WRH episode has been designed to: 1) deflect blame for the >200,000 Covid-19 deaths; 2) campaign boost from sympathy and patriotic symbolism; 3) promote costly experimental treatments Regeneron (mostly) and Remdesivir.
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 13:22 utc | 84

@: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 13:22 utc | 85
A few points:
1. If it is still in the early ie “viral” phase (initial rapid viral growth stage, to use Dr. Griffin’s terminology) covid-naive patients (first time wuith nCov infection) usually don’t yet show antibodies (serology) produced by B-cells. If Trump tested positive last Thursday (9/30), it was probably based on some combination of rt-PCR and x-ray CT (‘bilateral ground-glass’ lung images).
2. Dr. Griffin also points out in that YT that if Trump had been sero-positive (ie already had antibodies in his system) last Thursday, the Regeneron monoclonal Ab cocktail would have been contraindicated as it would be be unlikely to reduce the viral load or benefit a covid patient who already had their body’s own anti-ncov Abs circulating in their system.
3. Dr. Griffin also mentioned in that YT something about whether their were measurements taken at the time or subsequently, of the viral load (quantitative measurement of # viable virus particles) being shed into Trump’s airways/sputum etc. This is a more ccomplicated test than even rt-PCR, and Griffin sounds like he has seen no information re Trump’s viral load status.

Posted by: gm | Oct 8 2020 14:10 utc | 85

#74 Debsisdead
Billy Cobham is great. I particularly like the European tour he did with George Duke, John Scofield, and Alphonso Johnson. Another drummer from that era/genre is Lenny White, known for his work with Return to Forever. An of course who could forget that cute little drummer Terry Ted Bozzio, often seen with Frank Zappa wearing a devil mask in the 70’s!!

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 8 2020 15:27 utc | 86

@ migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:35 utc | 52… thanks miguel jose for the overview on bolivia… i will have to check out Ollie Vargas out.. he doesn’t appear to have a website, but i see he is on a few links and youtube… thanks for the update! i hope ollie is right on all that…
@ Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 6:16 utc | 69… the kid is fine.. watching now! this has become popular the last 10 or 20 years – hitting the plastic containers… he is doing pretty standard stuff, but i like the foot technique lifting up the container to get the lower sound!
@ Debsisdead | Oct 8 2020 9:49 utc | 74.. billy cobham is an amazing drummer… i have seen him live a few times… i first got turned out him with the mahavishnu orchestra as well… he is from panama, still alive, but not sure what he is doing at present.. another south american drummer who is amazing is alex acuna who played with weather report and etc. etc.. there are too many great drummers to name, but cobham is definitely one of the greats and a favourite of mine.. he is left handed, but plays ambidextrous.. left hand lead.. interesting fact – even if someone is right or left handed, doesn’t mean they are right or left footed as a consequence…
thanks for sharing guys! that book you linked to debs – i was unaware of it and am going to see about getting a copy.. i think it was dr. wellington yeuh who mentioned how much he enjoyed the duo with santana and mclaughlin – this is mclaughlin band – mahavishnu orchestra and he would have done this before the duo with santana as memory serves… that band is for real musician nerds, lol…

Posted by: james | Oct 8 2020 16:11 utc | 87

From the London Review of Books – that bastion of conservative thought…
How many more will be dead by Christmas?

In the week after the schools went back in England and Wales, an extra 538 people died (77 a day). Over the previous five years, an average of 8720 people had died that week in September, but this year the number surged to 9258. How many more would be dead by Christmas?
The next week there was a lull: only 289 excess deaths. But then the universities returned, and the excess mortality count doubled. In the week ending 25 September, 574 more people had died each day. There was a drop to 319 excess deaths the following week, and then a rise to 678 (97 a day). On and on it went, week after week after week. Almost five thousand excess deaths were recorded between the schools going back and the start of December. The year was 2015 and most people weren’t paying attention. No one read the numbers out.

If we had reported mortality in 2015 as we report it today, would something have been done about a problem that was far easier to fix than a new pandemic? Might the 2015 election have turned out differently? Or would we then, as now, have been paralysed by fear? As it is, we now have not only Covid-19 to deal with, but the continued legacy of austerity, and Brexit to come, not to mention the climate crisis. The long-term solutions, once we have a vaccine, are the same as were needed five years ago. Whether or not we will reach for them is less clear.

Author Danny Dorling is an Oxford professor…

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 8 2020 16:24 utc | 88

james @ 88
speaking of a reverence for John Mclaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra…
have you heard Henry Kaiser’s latest project?

Posted by: john | Oct 8 2020 16:29 utc | 89

Thanks to Vato @72 for the Crosstalk info. And to Paco @76 for his short review of The Wall film.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 8 2020 17:10 utc | 90

— didn’t read the last page on Trump Covid (out of margin.) —
To those who think Trump is faking or making up being ill, the stage is not a cosy home with Gran or Pop-Pop feeling oh-so-sickly, aiming to draw attention to her/him to be served a hot drink, crumpets or brownies, maybe a joint.
In high stakes situations, playing the victim / unlucky person / failed-but-not-my-fault role is incredibly risky and should never be contemplated except as last-ditch.
Even then, maybe better the sunset call. (I bow out.. ..)
Sympathy (adherence, actions, votes, etc.) do occur but only in *some* conditions.
The blame the victim – castigate the unlucky – vilify the stupid who fall into traps – reject the false complainer, the hysterical creep – is just as common if not more so. Trump knows this instinctively imho, and in any case his advisors, even if they are not top class, do.
Trump catching COV is a tremendous blow to his campaign.
It breaks his strong-man image, puts in doubt the “It’s just a flu..” stance, as nobody is given oxygen or fancy meds from Regeneron for flu..
The message: We, the magnificent USA can withstand, overcome COV turns sour when the Top Dog is himself affected, along with his wife, staff, etc. (Also shows that protective measures don’t work.)
The overlap between DT supporters and covid-deniers – mask refusniks – just some regular flu hey get over it attitude – is not perfect but close on.
DT could only come out strong: I am OK, I can beat the virus with the help of Great Docs (etc.) be as little diminished as can be (contradicted by vids), etc. No other choice was possible.
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US Gvmt. functioning, worth a look.
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/10/04/there-are-trillions-at-stake/

Posted by: Noirette | Oct 8 2020 17:47 utc | 91

The following is an article by Neil Clarke about a strange speech recently given by Boris Johnson (UK Prime Minster) in which he made a very clear invocation of “The Great Reset”:
As Boris Johnson announces Britain’s ‘great reset’, were the Covid ‘conspiracy theorists’ right all along?”
Johnson has always protrayed himself as bumbling but essentially well-intentioned. Peter Oborne has always pointed out that Johnson is a liar:
“Boris Johnson, who is uniquely deceitful among British prime ministers. I make this statement with authority having been a political correspondent for approaching 30 years.”
Now that Johnson has exposed himself as a “fully-signed up ‘Great Resetter’” it’s clear that he’s a liar and is following a malign agenda that is separate from the Conservative Party and his election undertakings.

Posted by: ADKC | Oct 8 2020 17:59 utc | 92

Noirette @Oct8 17:47 #92
To those who think Trump is faking or making up being ill … In high stakes situations, playing the victim / unlucky person / failed-but-not-my-fault role is incredibly risky and should never be contemplated except as last-ditch…
… blame the victim – castigate the unlucky – vilify the stupid who fall into traps – reject the false complainer, the hysterical creep – is just as common if not more so.

Nah… Deep State media control mean the risks are actually minimal. Democrats wished him well and pulled attack ads. Fox News and other media ran constant coverage of the President’s travails – and cheered his apparent recovery and the Trump’s glorious defeat of a virus that kills lesser men.
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Trump catching COV is a tremendous blow to his campaign.
It breaks his strong-man image, puts in doubt the “It’s just a flu..” stance, as nobody is given oxygen or fancy meds from Regeneron for flu..
The message: We, the magnificent USA can withstand, overcome COV turns sour when the Top Dog is himself affected, along with his wife, staff, etc.

No. It has helped him get past being blamed for his lying, his inept response to the virus, and his malign, business-focused leadership that denies masks and refuses to consider any further major action against the virus and its effects (including lock-downs, masks, and comprehensive financial stimulus).
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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 18:46 utc | 93

@ willie.. if you are reading – do you know this french piano player??
@ 90 john… thanks john! i haven’t heard that, but i have heard of henry kaiser before… this is new to me… i have to admit i have gotten caught up in more comtemporary jazz type stuff and i associate this with prog rock, fusion more… i like what you have shared here though! kaiser reminds me of allan holdsworth in terms of his sound.. the motif running thru the first few minutes of the song is definitely reminiscent of mahavishu orchestra..
here is a french piano player i am listening to at present.. .new york rhythm section players… i see this as a natural progression out of a lot of fusion type music, but it is more steeped in jazz and often times my friends who are into rock – zappa and more fusion type stuff, don’t relate to this as much… there might be some tracks on the recording you might like.. Vincent Bourgeyx
on the other hand, i enjoyed listening to this just yesterday… something different.. Reich – Tehillim – Complete (Official Score Video)

Posted by: james | Oct 8 2020 19:01 utc | 94

|@ chu teh | Oct 8 2020 6:00 utc | 68
Does any MOA reader see s/g queer about this story? IBM did not want complete control of IBM’s PC? That anyone could make their own computer hardware and license the equivalent OS?
Wasn’t that about the time of the Sony Betamax marketing debacle?

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 8 2020 19:05 utc | 95

Noirette @92 wrote
It breaks his strong-man image, puts in doubt the “It’s just a flu..” stance, as nobody is given oxygen or fancy meds from Regeneron for flu..
____________________________________________
Yes that is going to be the intial reaction
but
Timing is everything
By the time the election rolls around he will have delivered his message that covid is no worse than the flu there is no reason to treat it like its dangerous. Well, he has already delivered that message, but over the next few weeks it will sink in.
Covid is the one area he is losing, he can’t change what he has done in the last 9 mos. He can try to sell covid as just another Democrat hoax like he originally said. I think it may work. I expect there will be some October surprise help from the Democrtats too.

Posted by: jinn | Oct 8 2020 19:28 utc | 96

Posted by: ADKC | Oct 8 2020 17:59 utc | 93
Thanks for the link. Just looked it up:
“The Fourth Industrial Revolution is a way of describing the blurring of boundaries between the physical, digital, and biological worlds. It’s a fusion of advances in artificial intelligence (AI), robotics, the Internet of Things (IoT), 3D printing, genetic engineering, quantum computing, and other technologies.”
All I can say – for this to work people must want the stuff, buy the stuff, take up credits for the stuff. They have to force it on people. They might as well forget it.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 19:39 utc | 97

@john + james + DiD re: musicians
Kaiser is avant-garde (see Kaiser, O’Rourke, Tomorrow Knows Where You Live). Kaiser also did renditions of Grateful Dead’s Dark Star, one of which included a beautiful Coltrane Love Supreme medley.
As for drummers, and jazz-prog-rock smear, Joe Travers (currently manages Zappa vault), Marco Minnemann, Chad Wackerman (a Holdsworth trio member), Dave Weckl, Tony Williams, Jack Dejohnette. Minnemann and Dejohnette are currently working often with Indonesian guitarist Dewa Budjana.
Two other musicians I’m currently ‘digging’ are Chris Potter (sax) and Dave Holland (bass, worked with Miles Davis). They both have done recent cultural cross-over projects with Zakir Hussain and other Indian and ME msuicians.
Billy Cobhamm is a force of nature!

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 8 2020 19:49 utc | 98

Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 20:47 utc | 19
when the Berlin Wall was already crumbling, and the Kremlin still could not believe that this was possible at all.
The way former GDR leaders tell it Gorbachev had agreed on the “crumbling” without asking them.
There is also some passing the blame around whose fault “the wall” was. According to above mentioned former GDR leaders they were defending the borders of the Warsaw Pact for the Soviet Union.
Anyway, in the end “the crumbling” tore the Soviet Union apart. So when Gorbachev told GDR leaders that they were “too late”, in fact they were among the early ones.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 20:03 utc | 99

@ james | Oct 8 2020 16:11 utc | 88
You might find on youtube the late drummer Buddy Rich. He had many appearances on Johnny Carson’s Tonight Show performing over the years and might be found there as well. Amazing to listen to.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 8 2020 20:08 utc | 100