Despite the best that has been done by everyone, today’s post has developed not necessarily to the blog’s advantage. It has thus been canned.
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October 7, 2020
Open Thread 2020-80
Despite the best that has been done by everyone, today’s post has developed not necessarily to the blog’s advantage. It has thus been canned.
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better luck next time b! anyone have any thoughts of trumps statement about releasing all the info on russiagate without redactions?? more b.s. for the pile?? probably… i can’t see the cia-fbi letting this happen.. more like a jfk moment…. it is probably another trump headfake.. the real purpose is not to create a pain for the president, but to continue this cold war mccarthyism phenom as i see it… the usa always has to be on a war footing to protect its main industries – wall st, and the mic… Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:07 utc | 1 China’s gains during COVID 19 Crisis Posted by: Prof K | Oct 7 2020 18:21 utc | 2 US, UK, and France join to prevent testimony to UN Security Council from former OPCW chief. Posted by: jayc | Oct 7 2020 18:21 utc | 3 b I have always appreciated your humility and candor when you say that something you were working on didn’t work out! Humility and candor can give us more power. Posted by: migueljose | Oct 7 2020 18:25 utc | 4 regarding the ”get russia” agenda, karlof1 linked to an interview with larvov which sums it up in the q and a section of this.. Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:37 utc | 5 link messed up… here it is again – link for my post @ 5/A> Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 18:39 utc | 6 Jayc-3 Thanks for the link. Posted by: David | Oct 7 2020 18:47 utc | 7 The old fat white guy with a fast food diet is completely cured of Covid in record time. Thank goodness for whatever companies made those miracle drugs Trump took. Phew. Trump feels so good now he’s going to put on a cape, jump off the White House, fly around DC, spit on Pelosi like an avenging Under Dog, land on the South Lawn in full Mussolini regalia, and declare himself President for Life. Happy October Surprise! Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 7 2020 18:47 utc | 8 Grieved mentioned Chung’s Game Theory essay. For me, it remains an unproven hypothesis since its premises are contradicted by numerous cultures and their societies. I agree completely with the following questions she asks: lavrov quote from the link “Sergey Lavrov: As I mentioned earlier, the current international relations system is collapsing under the banner of the “rules-based world order.” It became part of the political vocabulary, or narrative, in modern parlance, about three to four years ago. We took note of it immediately. When we began to talk about this term which was proposed to be included in the declarations of international forums, we were told that “this is the same as international law.” When we proposed replacing this term with “respect for international law,” we were told, by hook or by crook, that “we need to use some fresh language.” And then everything that I was talking about came to the surface.” Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 19:03 utc | 10 jayc @3– abc.net.au/TheWorld covered a story about Putin announcing that Russia has conducted a successful test of an hypersonic missile. The story included a video clip of a missile whizzing out of the sea, amid lots of non-exhaust plumes of flame, and streaking away from the launch-site. It reached its target 450km away in 4.5 minutes according to the report. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 7 2020 19:57 utc | 12 P.S. there’s already an Open Thread 2020-78 from October 1. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 7 2020 20:03 utc | 13 We recently had a discussion about the Pope’s latest Encyclical. Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 7 2020 20:07 utc | 14 Online rag Al-monitor today: Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 7 2020 20:12 utc | 15 The Great Barrington COVID Declaration. Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Oct 7 2020 20:32 utc | 16 The TV film about the Berlin Wall could be this one, I’ll watch it later. Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 20:35 utc | 17 Machine translation of the movie’s blurb: Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 20:47 utc | 18 I recommend this up to date assessment of the virus situation in the U.K. Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 7 2020 20:51 utc | 19 In their current Keiser Report, Max & Stacey use aide grants to developing nations that never reaches the populace as an example of what’s happening within the Outlaw US Empire’s economy where nothing trickles down, which is the true height of irony. To get around the hoarding of Fed printed monies by the 1%, the Fed appears to be seriously proposing making direct “cash credits” to all adults. That’s more fully discussed in this article by a writer and publication Max & Stacey frequently cite. The second half of the program I highly suggest watching to listen to the ideas of Dr. Zeus Yiamouyiannis, who I never met while we both attended Northern Arizona University. Thanks james for providing the link @ 6 to Lavrov’s remarks. I had seen karlof1’s links in the previous open thread, just so much was going on at that point. And I do want to praise your conversation on the last thread with russ — you made many points with which I agree, especially on viewing the virus as a natural event and not seeking to cast blame hither and thither. It strikes me that we are going to be subject to many such shocks to our system, and while I do hope we will take them seriously, Trump is not entirely at fault for wanting to downplay his illness. The positive attitude is part of coping when one gets sick, and much of his own reaction, as I thought about it, was entirely human. If I were him, I would want to get back to a ‘home environment’ as quickly as possible myself. We will go back and forth on positives and negatives it seems to me, because we know the failings of both candidates in the upcoming US election – but I am as you, james, more of an outsider, even though I am now a citizen, and so I will stay on the sideline this round. There are too many negatives on both sides, real ones. So all I can really hope is that the candidates, perhaps even as they face the realities of the virus and other natural imbalances we humans have caused, will dig a little deeper into their own souls for new approaches, and not the party line that both of them seem to pay lip service to. So that whoever wins will be a win for us all. Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2020 21:04 utc | 21 You “admire” him? For what? For his stupid political stunt which highlights his crude incompetence among his own supporters? Or do you admire him because he all but assured with his antics a huge spike in cases/deaths this fall/winter? Or because it’s all a secret op to arrest Hilary and bust the Epstein pedafile ring? Posted by: Tio Marko | Oct 7 2020 21:10 utc | 23 Mark2 @ 20 recommends “an up to date assessment of the virus situation in the UK” and proposes that “This is our reality in th U.K.” (Dear Mark2, I’m not criticising you. It was an interesting link) Posted by: Deltaeus | Oct 7 2020 21:18 utc | 24 Posted by: vk | Oct 7 2020 21:07 utc | 23 Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 21:20 utc | 25 Sorry, I forgot to add the link to the excess deaths page Posted by: Deltaeus | Oct 7 2020 21:20 utc | 26 The Great Barrington Declaration is evil and fully dishonest. Posted by: Prof K | Oct 7 2020 21:21 utc | 27 The commenter @12 posts yet another deliberately obfuscated link to a mediocre article at failedevolution without any synopsis or helpful contribution explaining why we would want to read more, and under a different commenter name so many will fail to notice the pattern of a webmaster or affiliate promoter shilling with a link-bait link. Posted by: Grieved | Oct 7 2020 21:26 utc | 28 re: “Game Theory” Posted by: Hoyeru | Oct 7 2020 21:27 utc | 29 karlof @ 11, that ‘privatization’ of international bodies is an important point – and it strikes me that it was exactly the technique used by the Democrats during this electoral buildup when they introduced their ‘Green New Deal’ legislation. The term ‘Green New Deal’ had been used all through Jill Stein’s campaign as Green Party candidate, but it meant something entirely different referring as it did specifically to FDR’s New Deal legislation. It did have components of climate and environmental issues, but returning to FDR’s policies a grander project by far. And this, if he had been a better candidate, could have been Obama’s legacy, to return us to those fundamentally sound policies for the nation at large, instead of what he had proceeded to do with his mandate in 2008, which was to ignore the needs of the country at large so he could purchase his mansion beside a threatening ocean. Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2020 21:35 utc | 30 One more comment – that’ll do it! Thanks to those who were posting on the Pope’s encyclical – I’ve yet to read it, but I’m remembering Suzanne, bemildred, psychohistorian, all giving excerpts about his critique of neoliberalism. And repudiation of the ‘just war’ concept. Yay team! Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2020 21:51 utc | 31 @ Posted by: Hoyeru | Oct 7 2020 21:27 utc | 30 @Kooshy | 16 Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 7 2020 21:53 utc | 33 Deltaeus @ 25 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 7 2020 21:55 utc | 34 @ karlof1 | Oct 7 2020 19:07 utc | 11.. thanks to you for that link from earlier! it is quite good all that lavrov says in it too.. Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 21:58 utc | 35 Paco @18– Prof k @ 28 Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 7 2020 22:09 utc | 37 @karlof1 #11, @Paco #18
And yet another, longer movie blurb:
Posted by: S | Oct 7 2020 22:15 utc | 38 from what i remember, the us was very unhappy that the opcw was not cooperating in the war propaganda, so they got the head of it canned and replaced with somebody more amenable ot u.s. pressure. bolton is widely believed to have threatened his kids to get him to resign. Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 7 2020 22:37 utc | 40 S @39– Attention: COVID Anti-maskers: This video is for YOU. Posted by: gm | Oct 7 2020 22:53 utc | 42 Profk is off his rocker, but it is typical of the scientific illiteracy one sees here. As a biologist of over 30 years I have signed the Barrington Declaration, as everything it says is true and it is very clear from the response it has gotten here that this is not about public health or rational science, it is about insane political/social objectives being forced on the people by the globalist left. Posted by: biovizer | Oct 7 2020 22:55 utc | 43 Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 7 2020 21:53 utc | 34 Posted by: kooshy | Oct 7 2020 23:01 utc | 44 @ s 39 / karlof1 42…. the video that @paco shared is different then the one @s shared.. i think the one @ s shared might be the correct one, as it is more like a 2 hour movie, as opposed to the one @ paco shared which is less then an hour long.. hopefully someone will translate it.. thanks everyone.. i would like to see it.. Posted by: james | Oct 7 2020 23:15 utc | 45 biovizer @44– Here is a very interesting, fact filled Ben Norton/Aaron Mate Grayzone YT (55 minutes long) from a week ago that delves into leaked findings of four UK-registered PR firms hired to craft and supervise part of the massive western media propaganda campaign in the run-up to the Syria proxy war. Posted by: gm | Oct 7 2020 23:35 utc | 47 On the tactical level… Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 7 2020 23:55 utc | 48 The Keiser Report I linked to @21 above had a guest during the 2nd half I suggested people listen to in which he talks about his 5-part essay series. At the end of this brief missive, “In the Footsteps of Rome: Maybe It No Longer Matters Who’s Emperor,” is a curious visual depicting our socio-economic dominoes beginning to topple. This is one of those 5 short essays, which I hope to compile in one posting so all barflies can get to them easily. But that’s going to be a project for tomorrow. Hoyeru | Oct 7 2020 21:27 utc | 30 – Interesting contribution! A few points are worth commenting. Posted by: dh-mtl | Oct 8 2020 0:30 utc | 50 @james re: Bolivia Posted by: migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:35 utc | 51 Regular readers may recall that some months ago I recommended watching a TV show called “Devils” which aired in Europe. It was not available in the US at the time, unless you downloaded it from the Internet, as I did. The show portrays what actually happens in financial trading banks and how that affects the nations of the world. In short, topics that resonate here at the bar. I highly recommend it, even if you – like Gruff – view all TV as “brainwashing”.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 8 2020 0:36 utc | 52 follow up on the Bolivian elections. Posted by: migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:45 utc | 53 @ karlof1 Re Cynthia Chung Posted by: MarkU | Oct 8 2020 0:55 utc | 54 Just read this tweet from an infosec guy I follow. Apparently Trump quoted a tweet from three years ago. Those COVID-19 drugs appear to have done a number on Trump. LOL
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 8 2020 0:55 utc | 55 Biovizer reveals his reactionary and inhuman soul in his imbecile rejoinder. Posted by: Prof K | Oct 8 2020 1:00 utc | 56 JackRabbit@15 Posted by: Kay Fabe | Oct 8 2020 1:49 utc | 57 VP debate is seriously vomit material. Posted by: Et Tu | Oct 8 2020 2:10 utc | 58 Oh FFS, Ligten up, MarkU @55. I had to go read the Chung piece after seeing this comment. Sure she has some hokey language in there, but on the von Neumann solar system thing, I’d really have to read the original source material. From the way she’s laid it out, neither one of them are making any valid analogies. From how she’s laid it out, it would appear that von Neumann is trying to pick and choose whether he considers a system (or game within a system) to be open or closed in order to justify his pre-conceived theory, and in effect intentionally limiting one type of system while leaving open any and everything in the other. Posted by: _K_C_ | Oct 8 2020 2:22 utc | 59 Prof K@57 Posted by: Kay Fabe | Oct 8 2020 2:39 utc | 60 Dr Wellington Yueh @ 49 Posted by: Drive-by Commenting | Oct 8 2020 3:42 utc | 61 Japan stays a puppet Posted by: R | Oct 8 2020 3:57 utc | 62 @ProfK 57 Posted by: C | Oct 8 2020 4:10 utc | 63 @Drive-by Commenting #62:
If you control the servers, you can select whatever codec you want, like uncompressed WAV. Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 8 2020 4:10 utc | 64 Kay Fabe @Oct8 1:49 #58 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 4:52 utc | 65 Wife’s son and his wife tested positive. Officially they are now ‘cases’. In both cases testing was employment based. Results took seven days. Test results went to HR, not to the patients. So one HR department sat on it for two days and the other for five. In both cases there are no symptoms. In both cases they were sent home from work and told to self quarantine for fourteen days. Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 8 2020 5:46 utc | 66 Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 7 2020 23:55 utc | 49 Posted by: chu teh | Oct 8 2020 6:00 utc | 67 @chu teh #68, uh…thanks for the computer history lesson, I guess? Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 8 2020 6:31 utc | 69 The most fun thing I have seen tonight about the US VP debate was a video of a fly sitting on top of Pense’s head for two minutes….. Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 8 2020 6:33 utc | 70 Michael Hudson and Steve Keen were on RT’s Crosstalk with Bowtie Lavelle talking about the inherent instability of a capitalist system. Keen makes the point that mainstream/orthodox economists still rely on a equilibrium model of the economy which – if off-balance – can be stirred back into equilibirum by interest rate adjustment (and countercycling fiscal policy). Today, most major central banks use a so called Dynamic Stochastic General Equilibrium model (DSGE) which is basically only an offshoot of the Neoclassical Model using neoclassical assumption of Bentham’s Utilitarism paired with axioms of rational expectations and intertemporal consumption patterns; explaining macro phenomena (growth, unemployment, inflation, etc) by extrapolating from a micro perspective (rational, self- interested individual, consumption-maximizing, etc). Posted by: vato | Oct 8 2020 8:44 utc | 71 Eurosurveillance – quality of PCR-tests
Positive rate of tests in Germany at present is 1.6 percent. About 1 percent of those correctly identified a molecule you don’t know if it is connected to a live virus or not. Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 8:54 utc | 72 re Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 6:16 utc | 69 Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 8 2020 9:49 utc | 73 re: karlof1 @ 9 <=Chung makes clear that technology can model and positive feedback can control behavior to within desired or targeted behaviors <=reminds me of: how to lie with statistics. Assume the answer, back into one of a million possible solutions, select one (intergration?) The foundation of human behavior is experience, but the same event does not produce the same experience in any two humans at the same time, and the same event at a different time does not produce the same behavior in the same human. On rational behavior <=it depends on the environment at time t <=context sensitive?. Each increment of time produces new opportunity and new constraints. Government (USA) by its tax policy; uses taxpayer funds to finance private sector implementations of mind of control technology (see Snakes seven layers of control, below). Propaganda to encourage allowed behavior is encoded into media and software and hardware are developed which is capable to program the minds of the masses down to and including the individual. The dangerous technology <=5g: the latest hardware and software, implements private ownership of positive feedback control technology <=that can control all human behavior. The private sector is moving toward complete control <=over all human behavior (control collectively the masses awa <=control individually, each individual <=within the crowd). Individuals can be secretly tracked, survailed, and subjected to invisible [wireless] 24/7 feed back controlled, regulated behavior. The goal of these private wealthy owners is to establish for themselves security from the rath of out of control mass rebellion, to profit by regulating human behavior and ultimately to eliminate the need for, and the nuisance of government all together. To do this, the private sector Oligarch must establish <=a target behavior, must define allowed variance for each behavior to be controlled <= behavior ok, if within "predetermined, allowed limit". Invisible (5g), wireless, is far beyond Radio and TV <=technology that helped Oligarchs direct the masses into two world wars. 5g implements as a new currency [Federal Reserve], every transaction <=involving a behavior, must use wireless <= to express a human behavior, or can be tracked <=by wireless means. Human Life is a set of behaviors <=control those behaviors, to own the life. The main reason corporate Dems want so desperately to beat Trump in this election cycle Posted by: killwallstreet @ 12 <= is wall street.. , the world has come to understand the oligarchs own the world because they own the markets, the technology (by monopoly power[copyright and patent], the money supply, and the governments that control human behavior. Seven <= behavior is controlled by mind, body, experience, and technology layers <= instruments that control are government financed, privately owned model <= government is an instrument used by private interest to control behavior. private__Layer 1: Global Oligarchs, control entire nation state franchise system. private__Layer 2: Local Oligarchs, own+control local "named" nation state franchise.. public___Layer 3: Functional Government structured in accord with founding documents. private__Layer 4: Two party system:function to <=TO CONTROL THE MASSES private__Layer 5: the Electoral College: function to <=CONTROL ACCESS TO PRESIDENCY. public___Layer 6: the 340,000,000 who constitute the governed masses. private__Layer 7: 92% privately owned, main stream media. Forces external to the government are private actors <= "CORPORATIONS, POLITICAL PARTIES, OLIGARCHS, FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS, ADVISORS, CONSULTANTS, NGOs, THINK TANKS, MAIN STREAM MEDIA AND BED TIME PARTNERS". Posted by: snake | Oct 8 2020 10:21 utc | 74 I found the time to watch the film, long version, well spent time, but a bitter after taste remains, beware whoever knows a little or has any interest in Russian culture, history or language, I can’t think of a bigger historical swindle, maybe Columbus exchanging glass beads for gold on his arrival to America. There are a few hidden treasures, like the way Honecker was treated, detained in the same cell that he was tortured by the Gestapo, hidden messages from the past. Posted by: Paco | Oct 8 2020 10:45 utc | 75 Karys Mullis – the PCR inventior – explains how science works Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 12:04 utc | 76 The Great Barrington Declaration. Posted by: Randy | Oct 8 2020 12:22 utc | 77 I declare THE FLY on Mike Pence’s head to be the official winner at last night’s debate for having the best punchline. Posted by: Circe | Oct 8 2020 12:34 utc | 78 Actually the honorary FLY got more specific: Posted by: Circe | Oct 8 2020 12:48 utc | 79 Debsisdead @Oct8 9:49 #74
That’s what I saw too Debs! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 12:58 utc | 80 Circe @Oct8 12:48 #80 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 13:01 utc | 81 Here is an excellent YT discussion (~35 min) on Trump’s recent nCov2 infection, and the meds and care he is receiving, given by a very clear speaking and actve infectious disease/covid specialist/clinician Daniel Griffin, and academic virologist Vincent Racaniello, a terrific down-the-middle interviewer, who usually is able to skillfully probe honesty from his guests without getting confrontational (except for times he interviewed “gain-of-funcction” heavy-hitters like Ralph Baric or Pater Daczak). Posted by: gm | Oct 8 2020 13:01 utc | 82 @migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:35 utc | 52 Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 8 2020 13:09 utc | 83 gm @Oct8 13:01 #83 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 13:22 utc | 84 @: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 13:22 utc | 85 Posted by: gm | Oct 8 2020 14:10 utc | 85 #74 Debsisdead Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 8 2020 15:27 utc | 86 @ migueljose | Oct 8 2020 0:35 utc | 52… thanks miguel jose for the overview on bolivia… i will have to check out Ollie Vargas out.. he doesn’t appear to have a website, but i see he is on a few links and youtube… thanks for the update! i hope ollie is right on all that… Posted by: james | Oct 8 2020 16:11 utc | 87 From the London Review of Books – that bastion of conservative thought…
Author Danny Dorling is an Oxford professor… Posted by: c1ue | Oct 8 2020 16:24 utc | 88 james @ 88 Posted by: john | Oct 8 2020 16:29 utc | 89 — didn’t read the last page on Trump Covid (out of margin.) — Posted by: Noirette | Oct 8 2020 17:47 utc | 91 The following is an article by Neil Clarke about a strange speech recently given by Boris Johnson (UK Prime Minster) in which he made a very clear invocation of “The Great Reset”: Posted by: ADKC | Oct 8 2020 17:59 utc | 92 Noirette @Oct8 17:47 #92 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 8 2020 18:46 utc | 93 @ willie.. if you are reading – do you know this french piano player?? Posted by: james | Oct 8 2020 19:01 utc | 94 |@ chu teh | Oct 8 2020 6:00 utc | 68 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 8 2020 19:05 utc | 95 Noirette @92 wrote Posted by: jinn | Oct 8 2020 19:28 utc | 96 Posted by: ADKC | Oct 8 2020 17:59 utc | 93 Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 19:39 utc | 97 @john + james + DiD re: musicians Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 8 2020 19:49 utc | 98 Posted by: Paco | Oct 7 2020 20:47 utc | 19 Posted by: somebody | Oct 8 2020 20:03 utc | 99 @ james | Oct 8 2020 16:11 utc | 88 Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Oct 8 2020 20:08 utc | 100 |
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