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October 23, 2020

Guess Who Said This

Guess who said this:

Many of us read The Little Prince by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry when we were children and remember what the main character said: “It’s a question of discipline. When you’ve finished washing and dressing each morning, you must tend your planet. … It’s very tedious work, but very easy.”

I am sure that we must keep doing this “tedious work” if we want to preserve our common home for future generations. We must tend our planet.

The subject of environmental protection has long become a fixture on the global agenda. But I would address it more broadly to discuss also an important task of abandoning the practice of unrestrained and unlimited consumption – overconsumption – in favour of judicious and reasonable sufficiency, when you do not live just for today but also think about tomorrow.

We often say that nature is extremely vulnerable to human activity. Especially when the use of natural resources is growing to a global dimension. However, humanity is not safe from natural disasters, many of which are the result of anthropogenic interference. By the way, some scientists believe that the recent outbreaks of dangerous diseases are a response to this interference. This is why it is so important to develop harmonious relations between Man and Nature.

No cheating please. Guess. Who said the above?

Please let us know your first guess in the comments.

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Donald Trump

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Oct 23 2020 17:46 utc | 1

Vlady P?

Posted by: Stephen Kalil | Oct 23 2020 17:49 utc | 2

Vladimir Putin

Posted by: K. Lazlow Hud | Oct 23 2020 17:49 utc | 3

Putin, yesterday: http://en.special.kremlin.ru/catalog/keywords/47/events/64261

Posted by: JC | Oct 23 2020 17:50 utc | 4

VVP

Posted by: spudski | Oct 23 2020 17:53 utc | 5

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Oct 23 2020 17:46 utc | 1

Yeah. Well, it wasn't Donald Trump - or Joe Biden. Neither of them can string enough words together to make even a comprehensible piece of nonsense.

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Oct 23 2020 17:53 utc | 6

Putin's 2020 Valdai Club Speech

Posted by: Gregory Purcell | Oct 23 2020 17:55 utc | 7

Putin

Posted by: DG | Oct 23 2020 17:57 utc | 8

teilhard de chardin

Posted by: robert mcdowell | Oct 23 2020 17:59 utc | 9

Cameron Diaz

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 23 2020 18:04 utc | 10

Ursula, First of Her Name, Grll B0ss, whilst speaking Anglish to Deutchers.

Posted by: failureofimaginati | Oct 23 2020 18:05 utc | 11

Putin, of course, at Valdai.

Putin:"We must tend to our planet."
Trump: "Climate change is a hoax."

Posted by: Cyril | Oct 23 2020 18:07 utc | 12

Putin

Posted by: PT | Oct 23 2020 18:07 utc | 13

It must be lonely as the only serious person in the room.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 23 2020 18:10 utc | 14

Just read it, and the subsequent speech. Very nice. It's interesting comparing the live version with the official transcript.

Posted by: BillB | Oct 23 2020 18:11 utc | 15

Pepe Escobar.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2020 18:11 utc | 16

Il faut cultiver notre jardin.

Posted by: lysias | Oct 23 2020 18:17 utc | 17

Wow! What a mind blunder! Of course, it was VVP. Too much reading! Ha!! Pepe's article has its own merits. Even more important is this revealing editorial, "How Russophobia Wrought Death of the United States:"

"The surprise election in 2016 of Donald Trump to the White House so disturbed the political class that it was compelled to delegitimize his presidency by alleging that it was due to Russian interference. The relentless and irrational Russophobia to undermine Trump by his domestic political enemies has only transpired to fatally weaken American global power. The political squabbling and infighting has wreaked havoc on the moral authority and legitimacy of American institutions of governance. The legislative government, the presidency, the judiciary, the intelligence apparatus, the legacy media, and so on. Every supposed pillar of American democracy has been eroded over the past four years with alarming speed.

"A big part of this precipitous demise is due to Russophobia: the relentless sowing of doubt and confusion in American institutions, primarily the presidency, with insinuations of Russian interference. In their attempts to delegitimize Trump, his domestic enemies among the U.S. establishment have ended up delegitimizing public esteem of American democracy. How paradoxical! America’s own worst enemy turns out to be itself." [My Emphasis]

I've long maintained that the enemies of the USA and its people are ALL Domestic and have been from the outset. Lots of truth fit into that short essay!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2020 18:22 utc | 18

Lavrov

Posted by: Susan | Oct 23 2020 18:29 utc | 19

I'm tempted to say: David Holmgren?

Though I'm suspect it belongs to a more elegant communicator like Max Planck

Posted by: Mercury | Oct 23 2020 18:29 utc | 20

Greta Thunberg

Posted by: DG | Oct 23 2020 18:51 utc | 21

don't know... i like what they say here though "By the way, some scientists believe that the recent outbreaks of dangerous diseases are a response to this interference. This is why it is so important to develop harmonious relations between Man and Nature."

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2020 18:53 utc | 22

Since many people here more up to date than me said Putin, I'm sure it's somehow him. But I'm going with Putin, doing an Al Gore impersonation!

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Oct 23 2020 18:59 utc | 23

I wonder what Putin's idea is about 'Citadelle' , Saint-Exupery's posthumous (and unfinished)book about an enlightened autocrat who makes life meaningful for his citizens.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Oct 23 2020 19:04 utc | 24

In contrast to Putin being nature loving naturalist, the only animals our president Trump ever cared for is him and his children

Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 23 2020 19:08 utc | 25

Putin's elequint prose no doub.

Posted by: ed wood | Oct 23 2020 19:10 utc | 26

The tone sounds like Vladimir Putin in English translation and the timing of B's post suggests he said it during his closing speech at this year's Valdai Club meetings. Putin has always been keen on conservation issues and often spends what free time he has in short camping adventures. The Siberian tiger conservation program is a pet project of his.

The other possibility might be Chinese President Xi Jinping as the ideas of modest consumption or consumption that fulfills a person's needs and of humans living in harmony with nature appear in the speech, and these ideas have been incorporated into recent Chinese government policies. The drive to eradicate poverty not only achieves one goal (fulfilling people's needs) but also helps achieve the other, as impoverished communities are often driven by forces beyond their control into marginal areas where they end up upsetting the ecology and destroying in order to survive. Among other things his also brings exotic pathogens in contact with humans through the disturbance of plant and animal life (insects in particular) and the consumption of bushmeat and its trade.

Significantly in recent years much of the Earth's land surface as measured by satellites that has become greener has been in China and India as a result of large-scale conservation and tree-planting schemes and better use of land. This has sometimes involved relocating entire rural communities in parts of China to areas where they can access services that help to improve their lives. An example might be a community I read about recently that lived on top of a small mountain or plateau where the only access to schools and markets was through a winding series of narrow staircases cut into the mountain's sides. One child did not start going to school until she was 11 years old because her mother was afraid that she'd fall while using the stairs. The local authority later built a bridge connecting the mountain to lower areas, cutting travel time from 3 hours to 1 hour. Recently the entire community agreed to relocate and its old village on top of the mountain is to be preserved and developed as a tourist attraction.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 23 2020 19:23 utc | 27

David Rockefeller, Maurice Strong, Henry Kissinger, Prince Charles, Mikhail Gorbachev, Jacques Cousteau and whole host of others said something along these lines.

Posted by: ADKC | Oct 23 2020 19:29 utc | 28

MbS?

MbS met with the President of Lucid Motors a few days after the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund invested in the company. The Saudi's had previously invested in Tesla.

Lucid Motors closes $1 billion deal with Saudi Arabia to fund electric car production

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 23 2020 19:36 utc | 29

whoever said it is smarter than your average bear, and any recent US president, that's for sure


I guess everyone is agreeing that it's putin...

He's calling for less consumption and more respect for our dear mother Earth .....because he's trying to sow discord, fear and anxiety in the US and throughout it reckless Empire, which is entirely built upon greed, gluttony, excess, avarice towards the earth, and 'unrestrained and unlimited consumption'


Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 23 2020 19:43 utc | 30

To whoever did voice this statement i would propose the question : relations "between" Man and Nature ?

Man is a part of Nature, within Nature and Nature is within Man. Governed by the rules of Nature.Though many believe, falsely and foolishly, that they are apart from Nature.

Posted by: Fíréan | Oct 23 2020 19:44 utc | 31

Who said, "Free the Michigan 6" ?

It's obvious now that Iran framed them for a fake terrorist / kidnapping plot of the Gov. by hacking into servers and planting fake evidence in order to make Trump look bad before the election. Iran tried doing this again to the 'Proud Boys' only this time they got caught. So now that we know what they are up to ... Free the Michigan Six.

[okay, I said it]

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Oct 23 2020 19:55 utc | 32


The URL is:
https://valdaiclub.com/events/posts/articles/vladimir-putin-meets-with-members-of-the-valdai-club-transcript-17th-annual-meeting/

Note that not all the questions and answers after the speech have been transcribed yet.

This is another of Mr.Putins masterpieces of common sense and analysis, courteously and clearly telling truth as no global 'leader' even could let alone would.

It is an exceptionally important and wide-ranging analysis of the nature of humans, the planet, and governance.

Posted by: powerandpeople | Oct 23 2020 19:56 utc | 33

Putin, not long ago.

Posted by: MarkU | Oct 23 2020 20:01 utc | 34

I am going to guess Harry S. Truman.. in proclamation 46096 or 8? I think, he proclaimed all of the land under the sea and all of the land 20 miles inland belonged to the UsA.. shortly after that the Scranton Commission was established and developed the idea that global oil and gas exploration could be controlled by regulating the environment, next after that can 1954 continental Shelf Act, whereby the USA tax payers were obligated to pay for the exploration and mapping of all of the gas and oil under the sea and 20 miles inland (worldwide)? also included in that taxpayers must pay EPA legislation so certain oil compoanies can maintain and control a global monopoly in oil and gas, was many grants to universities for them to develop expertise in environmental science, and then in 1970 came the act itself designed to allow the copyright and patent thieves to use the USA to move American industrial know-how and industrial production to China. (oil and gas production to Saudi Arabia, and industry to China) that act was known as the EPA. I was among the 3 million of American victims EPA. we were in America pumping $11 a barrel oil before EPA managed by license and other burdens to shut us down. It was around that time when the Saudi deal was made, and shortly after that the price of oil rose from $.50 a gallon steadily to $2.00 a barrel. Before EPA industry in America was everywhere. We were all making money, competition was fierce, industries changed hands as profits rose and fell, but the technology was continuous no matter who owned the deal and that technical innovative continuity is what made America Great. One more point no one worried much about anyone else patents, we were just competing with each other with our wit.

Posted by: snake | Oct 23 2020 20:03 utc | 35

The statements are the usual drivel of public discourse and have zero chance of being implemented by chimpanzees.

So who cares? Is the point to note the difference between the moronic statements of the US President and everyone else on the planet (in particular during last night's debate)? Duly noted in the manner of "DUH!"

Slow news day, b - or are you simply too tired from a long week of contentious comment reading? :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 23 2020 20:07 utc | 36

Saying "many of us" with respect to reading The Little Prince means it can't be an American. I guess the largest readership of The Little Prince is in Europe. So it is probably someone educated in Europe, or with close cultural connections. Saying "judicious and reasonable sufficiency, when you do not live just for today but also think about tomorrow," suggests someone who is neither neo-liberal nor hoping that a "green new deal" or technological innovation can stop climate disaster. This suggests someone who is conservative in a literal sense, that is, believing in actual conservation of dignified human life. Finally, the very fact that you are asking the question on the blog suggests it much be someone well known, not an obscure academic or Canadian First Nations political figure, who might also express those sentiments, for example.

Sadly, I can't think of anyone well known who meets those criteria.

My guess: Pope Francis

In my opinion, this is fun. Make it a regular feature on Fridays.

Posted by: Peter L. | Oct 23 2020 20:11 utc | 37

Trump Sets Up Pharma Billionaires for Coronavirus Payday
Regeneron’s federally funded Covid-19 treatment, which was used to treat Donald Trump, will likely be unavailable to most patients.


While Rizvi said that a lack of regulation plagues the entire U.S. pharmaceutical system, he said the maker of the antibody cocktail epitomizes the administration’s failure to hold companies accountable during the pandemic. “The story of Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody treatment is the story of president Trump’s billionaire buddy who received massive taxpayer subsidies to work on a coronavirus treatment with no strings attached,” said Rizvi, who pointed out that Regeneron will be able to both set high prices for the tax-payer funded treatment and market it exclusively. “You have massive public investment, but the knowledge that comes out of it is being privatized. It doesn’t benefit public health.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 23 2020 20:16 utc | 38

Attenborough?

Posted by: Ilya G Poimandres | Oct 23 2020 20:16 utc | 39

karlof1 #18

I thought Vlad was better here: russiagate derangement

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2020 20:17 utc | 40

Meanwhile...

COVID-19 Vaccine-Maker Hit with Cyberattack, Data Breach


COVID-19 vaccine manufacturer Dr. Reddy’s Laboratories has shut down its plants in Brazil, India, Russia, the U.K. and the U.S. following a cyberattack, according to reports.

The Indian company is the contractor for Russia’s “Sputinik V” COVID-19 vaccine, which is about to enter Phase 2 human trials. The Drug Control General of India (DCGI) gave the company the go-ahead on Oct. 19.

Q.E.D.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 23 2020 20:20 utc | 41

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Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Oct 23 2020 20:25 utc | 42

HRH Prince Charles

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Oct 23 2020 20:27 utc | 43

Art thou joking, Shakesvshav @ 44?? I would hope so.

The Windsors, once upon a time surnamed (until WWI when even German Shepherds in GB had to be renamed Alsatians - the dogs tha knaws) Saxe-Coburg, are astute $$$ - wise but care not about either their so-called "subjects" or the planet.

Mr V Putin would be a fair guess - someone with two halves of a cerebrum to rub together...

Posted by: Anne | Oct 23 2020 20:46 utc | 44

"No cheating please". some posters definitely said fuck you to moa on that issue here...always interesting to see who likes to piss on others fun...

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2020 20:53 utc | 45

What Putin had to say about Russia's approach to the pandemic is also very important, particularly since its showing a resurgence in the Outlaw US Empire and elsewhere. Lukyanov asks:

"Here is one more question related to what you have said.

"Speaking about the strategy of combating the epidemic, you clearly and unequivocally stated that people’s life and safety are the main values. This strategy is understandable, but tactics differ. Last spring, the countries that chose a different path were sharply criticised.

"For example, Sweden and Belarus did not introduce an economic lockdown or a tight quarantine. There were many pro and contra arguments. Six months later, we can see that the world is largely following in the footsteps of these countries instead of doing what we did in spring. I believe that you also said yesterday that there would not be any economic lockdown.

"Does this mean that the balance is changing and that the balance should sometimes change in favour of the economy?

"Vladimir Putin: I would say that nothing is changing in our country. I do not know about Sweden. On the other hand, I do know some things, and I will say a few words about them. The same is true about Belarus and other countries, where the decisions are made by their leadership. As for us, nothing has changed: people’s lives and health remain our priorities, without a doubt.

"On the other hand, life and health are directly connected to healthcare, which must receive serious support from the federal and other budgets. For these budgets to be replenished, we need a working economy. Everything is closely interconnected. One needs to find a balance. I believe that we found this balance at the very beginning. We took a number of serious steps to support the economy. This support amounted to 4.5 percent of the GDP. Some other countries allocated even more funds for this purpose.

"The point is actually not so much the amount of allocated funds but their effective use [I'd underline this point too if that function worked.]. I believe (we discussed several related issues with the Government today) that we disposed of these funds quite effectively, in a selective way and using the considerable resources we accumulated in the past years, as well as relying on the macroeconomic health of our economy, macroeconomic indicators and all the other positive achievements of the past years, to support our people, families with children, small and medium-sized businesses, and even large companies and whole industries.

"Overall, there is no need in the current situation, at least in Russia, to reintroduce such restrictions as we had in spring, when we sent our people on paid leave and closed down whole enterprises. There is no need for this also because our healthcare system performed quite efficiently. We have also built up reserves, including a reserve of hospital beds, created new medicines and developed treatment guidelines. Our medics have learned how to deal with this disease, they know what and when needs to be done. In other words, we have become confident that we can deal with these problems. This is the first thing I wanted to say.

"The second thing. We said from the beginning – I would just like to remind you, keeping in mind the vastness of our territory – that we were handing down a considerable part of authority for decision-making to the level of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. Incidentally, all major countries, have, in fact, followed this path somewhat later. This has proven to be the right approach.

"There is no such need today. The economy is recovering. The processing industry is recovering, the agro-industrial sector is performing quite well and is even growing, exports are recovering… Yes, we have issues that we should target. But look, we have basically acceptable macroeconomic indicators. Russia’s second-quarter economic contraction was 8 percent, and, say, the US economy, declined by 9 [percent], and the Euro zone, if I am not mistaken, by 14.5 – 14.7 [percent].

"You have mentioned Sweden that imposed no restrictions, but they also happened to face an economic downturn. At first, they went public with the figure of 8.3 [percent], which was later adjusted to less than 8 [percent] – 7.7 [percent], if my memory serves me correctly. Here we go: they have introduced no restrictions, nor have they done what we have in supporting people and the economy, but their result is the same as ours. The modern world is extremely interconnected. But an economic decline is inevitable, the first thing to do is to take care of the people. This logic is immaculate. I am certain that you will agree on this point.

"Now, regarding Belarus. President Lukashenko – I had many conversations with him – is fully aware of the COVID-19 threat. But Belarus has no comparable gold and currency reserves, nor such a diverse economic landscape, and he, as he says, simply had to keep the economy viable. But on the whole, the situation there is not worse, in fact, than in many other countries.

"Therefore we face – and faced – no choice of this sort; our priorities are people, health, and life. We are not going to impose tough restrictions, there is no such need. There is no need to close businesses. What is needed is to adjust support for certain sectors, for example, for small and medium-sized businesses. Certain parts of this work require additional support, maybe the extension of tax benefits and some other measures that are due to expire shortly. It is necessary to take a closer look at transportation, the transport sector, and the services. We are aware of all this, we see this, and we will continue to work in these areas, no matter how difficult this might be. As I have repeatedly said, we will get through this difficult period together, with the people’s support and trust." [My Emphasis]

Those who read my earlier excerpts or read the speech themselves will note how Putin's answer meshes with what he said earlier about functional nations and what makes them so. As I pointed out and is reiterated above, Trump and the USA failed because it lacked those attributes that Russia clearly has and continues to develop, while the opposite is occurring for us within the Empire. The reason I advocate for tighter controls is precisely because the USA lacks what it takes to overcome this virus because it's incapable of working together unless forced to. My detractors don't seem to understand those dynamics despite the fact that they see and comment on them. The elite within the Outlaw US Empire and the UK have never valued the common people--NEVER--we've always been deemed disposable, particularly after we've helped to further enrich them. And the tragic farce continues as millions of people will soon vote for two men who don't give a god damned thought about them or their problems in an amazingly stark contrast to the man leading the nation they both demonize because he prioritizes the wellbeing of Russians and Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2020 20:54 utc | 46

My guess is either Vladimir Putin or Ted Kaczynski.

Posted by: Soft Parade | Oct 23 2020 20:56 utc | 47

uncle tungsten @41--

I've yet to read that article given the volume of news items to sift on what's usually a slow news day. I've barely dented the Q & A portion of Putin's transcript and I need to call a halt for today in about an hour. But it is Friday so Cheers!

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2020 21:05 utc | 48

HRH Prince Charles
Posted by: Shakesvshav | Oct 23 2020 20:27 utc | 44

Ditto. My first inkling too...

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 23 2020 21:05 utc | 49

Erich Honecker, on the occasion of the flu pandemic of 1976.

East Germany was the first state in Europe with a ministry of environmental protection. (No joke.)

Posted by: m | Oct 23 2020 21:09 utc | 50

I'll go with Pope Francis.

Posted by: Piotr | Oct 23 2020 21:24 utc | 51

Barak Obama.

Posted by: Stephen wood | Oct 23 2020 21:30 utc | 52

JC #4
Putin, yesterday: http://en.special.kremlin.ru/catalog/keywords/47/events/64261

The Valdai Club !! that used to be the regular haunt of Professor Joe Mifsud, Director of the London Academy of Diplomacy. Now that sounds a little like the Institute for Statecraft or even Integrity Initiative but of course they are not the same ;) Joe was the MI6 man of renown and the lad that tried to bring Trump down at the direction of MI6.

Here at NYT.

And here at the Valdai Club roll of honorable members. Some not so honorable of course.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2020 21:32 utc | 53

VVP, in his most recent speech at Valdai Club.

Posted by: GoraKoshka | Oct 23 2020 21:39 utc | 54

Shakesvshav # 44
"HRH Prince Charles"

Quelle horreur.

Spat coffee over screen and keyboard.

Dragging that scabrous family into the discussion is akin to icing a cake with used toilet paper.

Made me think of Idi Amin who forced Charles to kneel on the occasion of his visit to Uganda, but neither of them could have expressed those thoughts.

I am backing Eric Hoenecker first then Vladimir Putin second.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 23 2020 21:42 utc | 55

Great Vladimir, very well put. There is extremely much to do in Russia. Burning forests, melting permafrost, old and new contamination of all kinds, nuclear, chemical. Russia's economy depends massively on the export of fossil fuels. This must change very quickly. Or else... I look forward to a new practice.

Posted by: pnyx | Oct 23 2020 21:44 utc | 56

Not bad, not bad at all.
I have to say that I am honestly impressed with what President Putin has said, in his speech to the Valdei Discussion Club.

Posted by: Josh | Oct 23 2020 21:45 utc | 57

My first guess is Vladimir Putin.

And yes, that's just my initial WAG--even though scrolling down confirmed it.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 23 2020 21:46 utc | 58

I hope that we, in the West, find a way to express the positive potential, which I believe to be present, in an effective way as well.

Posted by: Josh | Oct 23 2020 21:48 utc | 59

uncle tungsten @41--

Finally read Bridge's piece. Knew all of Putin's remarks and had posted the remark about the D-Communist Party connections earlier. Yes, I agree, Putin was in fine form with that trolling.

pnyx @57--Down in the Q & A is a Q posed by Timofei Bordachev about economics to which Putin provides a long detailed answer related to political-economic philosophy many will find enlightening. That answer is followed by another related question regarding what many see as the Neoliberal bastion within Russia's government--the Finance Ministry--I also suggest you peruse. And in case you missed it, I suggest reading this conversation between Putin and the president of the Agricultural Bank which is sure to enlighten you.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2020 22:12 utc | 60

#19 - Yes, my first guess was that it sounded like Lavrov as well.

Posted by: worldblee | Oct 23 2020 22:12 utc | 61

Vladimir Putin

Posted by: Rayofhope | Oct 23 2020 22:15 utc | 62

Putin...which is interesting because nobody stands more to gain from global warming than Russia. Siberian forest fires aside, they are the only major nation that will net benefit from climate change. A major reason I like him as a leader...of course he is pragmatic and looks after Russia before all else, but he has enough of an altruistic streak and sense of fair play to make him one of the best world leaders in the last century.

Posted by: Haassaan | Oct 23 2020 22:28 utc | 63

As a German, I think that Germany's retribution to mankind is not accepting every person who wants to take advantage of German welfare for them and their 12 wives, or to pander to Israel's every whim, but to clean up the planet like nobody's business.

Nobody does clean like we Germans.

Posted by: Lee Sonne | Oct 23 2020 22:38 utc | 64

karlof1 @18

I kind of disagree with Strategic Culture on the point that the goal of the relentless and irrational Russophobia propaganda was to delegitimize the presidency of Trump; rather I think it was meant as a tool to demonize Russia so that American people would line up behind the deep state's geopolitical objectives more readily. They figured American people are shallow and stupid enough to buy in on this kind of crap, and this can easily become the meme to buttress a policy protocol they wanted without irritating internal opposition.

The outcome proved them right! Even informed individual such as Jimmy Carter were drawn into the Russophobic camp sullenly, irrational as the narratives were. This is how dumbified the American public has become, thanks to reality TV shows, born-again religious brainwashing, endless football/basketball/golf/tennis plus beer parties, and an obesity culture that has elevated American per capita weight to the apex of 150lb.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2020 22:44 utc | 65

@ Oriental Voice (66)

Anyone who believes that moves are made for only the one reason would make a terrible chess player.

Posted by: MarkU | Oct 23 2020 23:43 utc | 66

Mrs Thatcher hasn't had a look-in yet, I see.

Posted by: johnf | Oct 23 2020 23:54 utc | 67

Mrs Thatcher hasn't had a look-in yet, I see.

Posted by: johnf | Oct 23 2020 23:54 utc | 68

Sorry for the duplication.

Posted by: johnf | Oct 23 2020 23:59 utc | 69

I thought the answer would be someone that moa readers would not expected to say something thoughtful and wise.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 24 2020 0:19 utc | 70

It was Hitler.....

Jen@28 - First off satellite imagery of "greening" does not necessarily mean a positive for the planet, it only means that humans have stopped effing with that area. It will take generations before beneficial indigenous species will thrive and dominate and by then what constituted beneficial indigenous species will no longer mean anything.This process would have to happen for more than half the "civilized", populated areas of the planet before it could be looked at as a positive and that would mean some 3 to 5 billion people dying.

Second is your recount of the small village in China... that is a very sad story indeed and makes me have even less hope than before.

Posted by: jef | Oct 24 2020 0:23 utc | 71

Didn't Edgar Cayce predict that Russia would save the world?

Posted by: R | Oct 24 2020 0:29 utc | 72

[in a mountaintop village] One child did not start going to school until she was 11 years old because her mother was afraid that she'd fall while using the stairs. The local authority later built a bridge connecting the mountain to lower areas, cutting travel time from 3 hours to 1 hour. Recently the entire community agreed to relocate and its old village on top of the mountain is to be preserved and developed as a tourist attraction.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 23 2020 19:23 utc | 28

It reminds me when my family stopped in Navaho reservation for a scenic view. In the rest area locals had stalls with Navaho jewelry and minerals. While adults were busy, their small kids played on the canyon edge. Canyon of Little Colorado, 900 meter vertical drop... quite interesting view if you are not acrophobic.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 24 2020 0:34 utc | 73

Laoxi of daodejing fame does it in one word "enough"
The meaning of this amidst its associated understanding is delightfully and comprehensively developed over 81 very short and simple sections that are fiendishly difficult for clever people. For as he points out, "Clever is not wise. Wise is never clever"
There are thousands of translations. Any one will do. Beware. It takes many years for us clever people to become wise. There is no choice.

Posted by: Laozi | Oct 24 2020 0:45 utc | 74

[Russophobia campaign] The outcome proved them right! Even informed individual such as Jimmy Carter were drawn into the Russophobic camp sullenly, irrational as the narratives were. This is how dumbified the American public has become, thanks to reality TV shows, born-again religious brainwashing, endless football/basketball/golf/tennis plus beer parties, and an obesity culture that has elevated American per capita weight to the apex of 150lb.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2020 22:44 utc | 66

One can quibble how dumbification of the West succeeded. It is not a narrow American phenomenon. One can see local variations, in England the leader must have a gift of glib talking in proper Queen English, and the French have much higher requirements concerning the looks but it is amazing how 29 obedient puppies congregate as EU, and how well trained is Canada as the obedient doggy. Setting aside Russia, how all those enthusiastic vassals gladly joined sanctions on Venezuela, Syria etc., quick approval of Bolivian coup, amnesia about queer customs in embassies of some kingdoms (slicing and dicing passport applicants) and so on. How obediently and (rare!) sullenly they cooperated with most cruel ever sanctions on Iran (not as cruel as those on Syria but still, they were almost sincere with their sullen reactions for a year or two).

The achievement of Trump is to prove to all and sundry that allies can be humiliated, robbed etc. and they swallow it all with smiles. I recall protestations of European Atlanticist think tankers against Trump audacity to doubt intelligence conclusions. Editorials in NYT. In the years I could make some observations, the heights of stupidity were moving from Appalachians to Alps, now en route to Himalayas (some transient troubles in the Andes, I guess).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 24 2020 0:53 utc | 75

One more thing. A am a bit overweight at 170 lb, and were I to loose weight down to 150 lb, I would be skinny. I think that Oriental Voice did not mean "imperial weight units". 170 jin does not make you obese either ...

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 24 2020 0:58 utc | 76

https://arctic.ru/climate/20201023/985599.html

Posted by: cccp | Oct 24 2020 1:00 utc | 77

the grand mystery is our ability to disconnect what we do each moment day to day from 1) what we know and have known to be true, the nothing new; and 2) what we see in front of our eyes, always there, now on a much grander scale. We announce proudly to ourselves what we are doing. Soon it will not be enough to name our vehicles after the species or regions that we have wiped out. No, not Impala, Tundra, Lynx, Rabbit, Ram, Shark (Tiburon) or Yukon, meet the Hummer Arctic and the Toyota Greenland. hello Amazon.

yeah putin is a big game hunter who's got a real perty mouf. like a lot of motherfuckers out there. like almost every good american, he feels enthusiastically of himself, "the strong man eats everything", as Paul the jesus dude said somewhere. his shit stinks to high heaven as his Tundra. yeah, i'd rather hear him than Trump, even in Russian. Trump sounds more like the glossolalia of roid-enraged frat house ranting, but tundra burns all over, you know.

make your next car a bicycle and your next meal vegetarian. to whatever extent you can. keep the kids out of school. you are just raising diabetic piglets for US legions to devour in their pax Americana.

whether you believe this more or less literally or psychologically is immaterial, the hungry ghosts of the wandering dead are tormenting the bloodthirsty land and wreaking their just vengeance on its sickly youth. there is nothing we are making, nothing, worth the butterflies we've extinguished or the cries of schizophrenics and rape victims heard on the sidewalks.

what of the cultural life that we have produced is worth reproducing?

we are so fucked up we can't see the answer to sickness is rest. RIP. Wir mussen zu Grunde gehen.

Posted by: jason | Oct 24 2020 1:26 utc | 78

This would never be a Jeopardy question.

Posted by: jadan | Oct 24 2020 1:32 utc | 79

the outer landscape is the inner landscape - Twin Peaks
Inner darkness precedes outer darkness - Rabbit Run

the answer to light pollution under capitalism can never be simply turning the goddam light off. "put out the light then put out the light." got that kids?


Vergil's simile of the bees in Aeneid 1 is a useful comparandum for Canterbury's bees in Henry 5 Act 1 (or are they "horse leeches"?). After all, just what is all this "honey" for? to make high fructose corn syrup?

it's like slavery and tobacco. nothing changes. fucking nazis.

Posted by: jason | Oct 24 2020 1:41 utc | 80

Who has said this?

suzan (myself) for years as well as thousands of others, perhaps hundred of thousands others or more, people who have an unadulterated understanding of our time.

Of course another person of higher socio political place is the most probablly quoted, not us commoners. Perhaps the great statesman Putin? Or his invaluable foreign secretary?

May wisdom awareness infect us all.

No more wars. No more cold wars. We are interdependent and must, should, collaborate for our collective future well being.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 24 2020 1:42 utc | 81

Frau Angela Merkel?

Politically she acts like these fears.
Soon Germany will be without nuclear energy, coal power, car industry etc. etc. but with millions of economic refugees more. What could possibly go wrong when you go deep Green plus naively Christian?
Xi Jinping loves these delusions as he is building up the same in his country for great global leverage.

Of course I do agree we show limit our desire for more "stuff", just not to Stone age level. I also think our planet is pretty robust and with its own massive processes for which we are just ants. We occupy maybe 15% of its surface...

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 24 2020 1:51 utc | 82

jason @79

You'll be having the vaccine then?

Posted by: Bill Gates | Oct 24 2020 1:56 utc | 83

I have no idea.. Sounds reasonable and straightforward to me, whom ever spoke such words.

Of course, being the cynical sob that I am, it could quite conceivably be one Barack Obama ..... just for the troll factor!

I mean, WHEN has he not ever disappointed??

Posted by: polecat | Oct 24 2020 2:03 utc | 84

Pope Francis

Posted by: Richard H Caldwell | Oct 24 2020 2:12 utc | 85

That was my guess, Peter L. @ 38, Pope Francis, before I came here and saw that I was wrong. In my own defence, I was busy all day tending to my little piece of the planet -- a rat (the Norway kind) was very determined to set up housekeeping under my rainbarrel - the concrete blocks have nice little apertures to squeeze into, and it was right next door to my compost pile, a ready made source of delicious wormy treats. This wasn't a sheep eating my rose, but it might as well have been since worm culture has been my obsession ever since I got this little gravel patch.

I spent the day rehousing all my little wrigglies in large tubs with holes in the bottom so they can still access the good earth but Rattie can't get at 'em. Plus rounding up all spare sticks and debris and carting same to the garage - Rattie doesn't venture past the back yard for homestead furnishings; the garage is no-man's-land to him(her). The last several mornings I have been hosing him (or her) out from under (rats don't like to leave sinking ships, it takes a lot of hosing.) Out she/he would shoot finally, scamper across the yard, risk the cacti pads atop the wall and over, only to return overnight for another round next morning. Five times this has happened.

Today I chinked up all the apertures as well as I could, and the earth is now bare all about, so perhaps our standoff is ending? There are, after all, lots of sunny, dry hillsides over my wall generously peppered with junipers and cacti - ideal habitats for any adventurous rat. Oh well, I'll still be out with the hose in the morning.,,

I once was living in the South Island of New Zealand, where in actual fact a sheep did break through a fence and it actually ate my rose. Not the little prince,I -- he at least (I feel sure) has adequately contained his sheep. I'm very positive his rose is safe. Positive.

And thank you, b. Off I go to read that speech!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 24 2020 2:48 utc | 86

The full speech and English transcript are at Dances with Bears http://johnhelmer.net/
This is always good on Russia and its President too: https://patrickarmstrong.ca/

Posted by: bevin | Oct 24 2020 2:54 utc | 87

The bunya nut republic satirists would suggest Qanon as the speaker.

Laughter ;)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 24 2020 3:01 utc | 88

"India is filthy, its air is filthy."

- Donald Trump.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 24 2020 3:10 utc | 89

Bill Gates #84
"You'll be having the vaccine then?"

Thanks Bill good to see you finally arrived at the CPU of seditious thought.

Which vaccine?

The Spunik
The Trotsky pointer

The Astra Zaneca
The Johnson and Johnson

The latter two have some adverse issues like deaths and cancer associated with them. If they can make cancerous baby powder, they can make anything lethal.
I guess all the way with USA will get us a twofer, reduce covid after effects due to death and greenhouse gas reduction ditto. :))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 24 2020 3:12 utc | 90

suzan # 82

Thank you comrade, mighty fine words. Made my day.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 24 2020 3:16 utc | 91

A trick question perhaps?

It doesn't matter.

We need policies, we need action, not speeches.

Posted by: Smith | Oct 24 2020 3:38 utc | 92

@ juliania | Oct 24 2020 2:48 utc | 87... i have a trap for catching them live... you could get one of them and release it over one of those hills after.. in fact, i caught one last sunday night and did the very same thing i am telling you to do!

Posted by: james | Oct 24 2020 3:41 utc | 93

Abbott Fulbert Youlou, first president of the Republic of Congo (Brazzaville)

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Oct 24 2020 4:54 utc | 94

Pietor Berman @77

You missed the operative words 'per capita weight'. Not bad for yourself--only 170lb. To average out to 150lb per capita there has to be one who weighs 130lb. How many grown up in US can boast of themselves to that lowly poundage? Then there are babies in America too, whose weight I would presume average to around 10 or 20 pounds. So, I stand firm on believing that the figure I conjectured is a scaring figure for a population. Anyway, it was only a joking conjecture.

As for dumbification status quo, I agree there are ones worse than us Americans. It's a wonder that Brits don't feel ashamed at still having to play house with lawyers wearing wigs, and ugly wigs at that. I never meant we have a monopoly in that regard. Problem is, Brits are only drawing some snickers from bystanders but our dumbification is leading us into Hades.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 24 2020 5:22 utc | 95

My first guess was the same as most others, Prez Putin. However it wasn't the words themselves which persuaded me of that it was the binary slanted thinking of MoA.
For me it sounds just like speeches literally thousands of politicians make every year - words come cheap, it is actions which matter.

I learned something new last week, from a doco called Soviet Garden made by a Moldovan who, concerned about the rate of cancers in his homeland of Moldova decided to investigate a Moscow led centralised planning strategy which was put in place from the 1950's until the end of the Soviet Union.

It sounds crazy now but at the time it probably seemed smart.

Soviet scientists had demonstrated that crop seeds' exposure to high levels of radiation caused mutations, some made crop yields larger, most killed the plant and some made crops worse. It was all a bit of a raffle, nevertheless the scientists who pulled this crazy stunt kept going with what many would consider primitive nuclear technology.
The result? Huge swathe's of Moldova land has become contaminated - hence the high incidence of cancers in the country. Also why 5 eyes stc accussed Moldova of exporting radioactive materia. It was left in insecure storage on hundreds of former collective farms, so the amerikans forced one of the poorest nations in the world and certainly the poorest in europe, to waste millions on airport radiation detection systems

Yep many similar worse mistakes were made by amerika & its satraps over the same period.

However Putin is the one claiming to be dedicated to restoring the environment, yet afaik since he took power about the only thing done was an embargo on the importation of Moldovan wines back in 2013, for alleged plastic contamination.

There was no environmental concern about it though Russian was concerned that Moldova was getting too close to the EU.

What I do not understand is why so many people cannot understand rule number 1 - ALL politicians are lying arseholes and the bigger the nation they rule over, the bigger of an arsehole they are likely to be.

I seem to remember a number of Moa habitues challenging me in October last year after Russia & Turkey cut a deal over Syria with Russia claiming that the Turkish occupation of Idlib was temporary - short term temporary at that. When I said I guarantee Turkey will still be there in October 2020 everyone pooh poohed that saying Russia was honourable & wouldn't cheat Syria. Well here we are with Turkey building permanent bases on the 'temporary' lands many kilometers south of the Turkey/Syria border, and nothing said about that from Moscow.

Wake TF up! - recognise that none of these greedy front men for whatever oligarchy, give a toss about any of us normal human beings.
By all means call out amerika the biggest offender, but when you let other arseholes off the hook just because they aren't amerika or whatever, you weaken the position of anti-imperialists everywhere.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 24 2020 5:26 utc | 96

We need more platitudes now! Nothing else cane save the planet.

Posted by: bob sykes | Oct 24 2020 5:39 utc | 97

René Dumont.

Posted by: Lozion | Oct 24 2020 5:51 utc | 98

This thread is about who is the wisecrack preaching sense to us all, so I too need to venture a guess. Ones who read Antoine de Saint-Exupery as a child put him/her in the neighborhood of France/Germany. Since the gospel is too profound for someone like Macron to utter, my guess Chirac.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 24 2020 5:55 utc | 99



Given that the person speaking knows the truth of where we are heading re: pole shift, I find the words less than amusing.

Posted by: Not Important | Oct 24 2020 6:07 utc | 100

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