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October 26, 2020

Erdogan Is Again Under Pressure And Therefore Likely To Escalate

Over the last years the Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has managed to alienate so many of his countries international partners that it is hard to keep count. He at times did so on purpose to distract his voters from a sinking economy and other local calamities. But there are signs that he has now exceeded the patience of the adversaries he has created. He is now finally receiving the rebukes he has seemed to be seeking.

While Russia has emphasized friendly relations with Turkey, it is in conflict with it in Syria, Libya and most recently in the war over Nagorny-Karabakh.

Russia at times has a not-so-subtle way to communicate that its patience has run out. Last Thursday Russian ships in the eastern Mediterranean fired missiles on a oil smuggling center near Jarablus, Syria:

More than 15 militants from the Turkish-controlled Syrian armed opposition were killed and injured in a missile strike by an unknown military aircraft on a smuggling market for oil products in the city of Jerablus, bordering Turkey, in northern Syria, local sources reported.

It is noted that the rockets were also fired at two fuel tankers, which were moving along the highway near the village of Kus in the direction of the market. Eyewitnesses reported that at the time of the strikes, several powerful explosions occurred in the border area.

The oil was smuggled from eastern Syria and was on its way to Turkey.

Today a Russian air attack on a graduation ceremony of Turkish financed 'Syrian rebels' killed or wounded more than 200 of them.


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Erdogan's fanboys took note:

Ömer Özkizilcik @OmerOzkizilcik - 9:31 UTC · Oct 26, 2020

Russia has attacked the HQ of Faylaq al-Sham, Turkey's favorite armed group in Idlib, and the leading faction of the NLF of the SNA.
Faylaq al-Sham is also present in the Astana process and the constitutional committee.
Claims that up to 50 Faylaq members died in the attack.

After the recent airstrike on the Jarablus oil refinery, this strike is just another demonstration of the growing rift between Russia and Turkey.
It seems that many in Moscow are angry about the humiliation of the Russian defense industry by Turkey.

Well, Russia has a real defense industry while the Turkish weapon 'producers' are just assembly lines for parts bought from abroad:

301 @301_AD - 10:19 UTC · Oct 26, 2020

The "indigenous" Turkish drone which Turks boast about day and night as the flagship of their military industry is a not so indigenous after all. It's assembled by top notch western components.


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Turkey has successfully used the drones to destroy old Russian made air defenses in Nagorny-Karabakh. But as Canada and Austria have now stopped to supply the necessary components the availability of such drones will soon diminish.

The U.S.also increased the pressure on Turkish proxy forces in Syria:

The U.S. Army said Thursday it carried out a drone strike against Al-Qaeda leaders in northwestern Syria near the Turkish border, killing 17 jihadists, according to a war monitor.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said five civilians were also among those killed.

"U.S. Forces conducted a strike against a group of Al-Qaeda in Syria (AQ-S) senior leaders meeting near Idlib, Syria," said Maj. Beth Riordan, the spokeswoman for United States Central Command (CENTCOM).

It is now likely that Turkey will order its 'Syrian rebel' mercenaries to escalate the war in Idleb. Russia and Syria have been waiting for this and are well prepared.

Turkish relations with Greece have always been hostile but Turkey currently does its best to increase them:

Greece said Monday that Turkey plans to carry out a maritime military exercise on Oct. 28, a Greek national holiday, just hours after NATO’s secretary general said both Greece and Turkey had called off wargames on each other’s national holidays.

Erdogan has also been busy to add other EU countries to the list of Turkey's enemies:

France has recalled its ambassador to Turkey after the country's President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan questioned the mental health of French counterpart Emmanuel Macron.

Erdoğan questioned Macron's mental condition while criticising the French President's attitude toward Islam and Muslims.

His remarks at a local party congress were an apparent response to statements Macron made earlier this month about problems created by radical Muslims in France who practice what the French leader termed "Islamist separatism".

Macron's remarks had come after a Chechen terrorist with connections to militants in the Turkish occupied Idleb had beheaded a French teacher in Paris. Erdogan's remarks were followed by anti-French protests in Turkish occupied areas of Syria during which flags of the Islamic State were raised.

Despite Russian, French and U.S. attempts to set up a ceasefire in Nagarno-Karabakh Turkey is pressing Azerbaijan to continue the war:

[I]n the last year, Turkey has violated Israeli, Libyan, Iraqi, Syrian, and Greek sovereignty. The international community has condemned Turkey’s territorial encroachments on numerous occasions. A similar scenario is playing out in Nagorno-Karabakh today.

On October 21, Turkish Vice President Fuat Oktay pledged to provide full military support for Azerbaijan if necessary. Oktay has also denounced international efforts to quell the conflict’s escalation in Nagorno-Karabakh. The OSCE Minsk Group, comprised of the United States, France, and Russia, formed to help mediate the conflict. Turkish officials, however, claim this group is actively supporting Armenia. In a rebuke of Turkey, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued a statement highlighting Ankara’s malign involvement in the conflict. He noted Turkish-backed fighters are “providing resources to Azerbaijan, increasing the risk and firepower” that is only fleshing out the fighting.

A new Nagorno-Karabakh ceasefire, negotiated on Friday in Washington DC, was immediately breached by new attacks from Azerbaijani forces.

In Libya a new ceasefire agreement between the Turkish supported Muslim Brotherhood forces who hold the western part of the country and the eastern forces of General Hafter, supported by the UAE and Russia, stipulates that all foreign forces will have to leave the country within three months. The UN and every involved country but one welcomed the deal:

But President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey, which backs the Tripoli government with military support, questioned the viability of the ceasefire.

"Today's ceasefire agreement was actually not made at the highest level, it was at a lower level. Time will tell whether it will last," Erdogan said. "So it seems to me that it lacks credibility."

Turkey had attempted to gain control of the eastern oil fields of Libya but failed to do so after Russia countered it. Oil production in Libya has been restarted without any of the profits flowing to Turkey. It will now have to leave the new bases it created or re-escalate that war.

Pissing off the U.S., the EU and Russia while waging wars against several countries has significant economic costs:

Since reaching a peak of $951 billion in 2013, Turkey’s gross domestic product has reversed its growth trend, falling to $754 billion in 2019 in nominal terms—a drop of $200 billion, nearly the size of the GDP of Greece, in six years. The lackluster performance of the economy has had a political impact on the AKP’s popularity at home. According to the pollster Metropoll, support for the AKP had fallen to 31 percent in August 2020—a significant drop from the 43 percent of votes the party received in the 2018 parliamentary elections.
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A foreign policy that gives priority to combative rhetoric, hard power, and maligning the West can be politically useful in the short term, but remains incompatible with the long-term requirement of stabilizing the economy. And yet it is the country’s economic performance that will ultimately determine the fate of the next national political contest when the time comes.

A year ago 5.75 Turkish Lira were the equivalent of 1 U.S. dollar. Today one needs more than 8 Turkish Lira to buy a dollar.


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Turkish companies have taken up lots of loans in foreign currencies. They will have to pay the loans back with 40% more Lira than they had planned to do. Many of them will not survive the drain.

Saudi Arabia and its allies have launched a boycott of Turkish products. Turkish made pots and pans and Turkish vegetables have been removed from Saudi supermarkets.

Over the years Turkey had managed to play off the U.S. against Russia and Russia against the EU. But now its relations with all of those parties deteriorate at the very same time. This while its economy has serious problems.

To better his position Erdogan could retreat from some of the many conflicts he created. But given his previous behavior under pressure he is more likely to go into the opposite direction.  I expect him to soon escalate on one or more fronts with Syria being the most likely one.

Over the last year a lot of Turkish equipment and many Turkish soldiers have been moved to Idelb. But would they be able to withstand an onslaught of Russian air and missile attacks? Would Russia launch those provocative strikes on Turkish proxies forces if it thought so?

Turkey has in my view overextended itself. It will have to retreat on several of its current fronts and concentrate on its economy. It is otherwise likely to suffer a significant military defeat while its economy will further deteriorate.  It would be the end of Erdogan's Neo-Ottoman dreams.

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Atabrit, i m no friend of the MB but dont you accept there is a degree of French responsibility when the teacher had been the object of a one week long campaign on fb and twitter with his name and the address of the school made public by some kids' parents calling for revenge (under their real names and accounts, mind you)...and that the police did not do anything although we are still in the midst of the daily trial of the Charlie and kasher supermarkets attacks?

Posted by: Mina | Oct 27 2020 9:42 utc | 101

ran across this

need confirmation..

Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2020 9:44 utc | 102

@Mina | 107
I fully agree with you. And there is much more also to the historic plight of Muslims communities in France. Many mistakes have been made in the past. They are very complex issues not uncommon to those experienced elsewhere.

And while there are still serious issues, there are also exapmles of the most increbidle and fascinating fusion of cultures and communities to be found in France.

What I detest is the cheap unintelligent opportunistic and revisionist sectarianism that is constantly used to enflame emotions for temporal political gain. Especially from the supporters of an organisation and nation that has done more to bring suffering to Muslim nations than most.

Thankfully many Muslim community leaders locally have started to speak out and refute the hateful language that is being used to sew conflict.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 27 2020 10:01 utc | 103

the interesting thing now is to observe isr stance while its new allies are letting calls for boycotting french products all over their internet....

Posted by: Mina | Oct 27 2020 10:07 utc | 104

@Mina | 110
Amusingly, on the same day as Erdogan's ranting, Turkish Airlines took delivery of an Airbus produced by a French-led group!

The aim is sectarianism and internal conflict in Europe. As Erdogan said very plainly yesteeday "the route of Islamaphobia will only lead to civil war".

Hopefully as regards Arab nations it will blow over. I certaimly don't expect any serious boycott from them.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 27 2020 10:14 utc | 105

Turkey is still an associated EU country and receives millions for its universities, infrastructure, airports... EU ponzi scheme

Mia, thanks for the cartoon!

Posted by: Mina | Oct 27 2020 11:05 utc | 106

Snake @ 108:

Orinoco Tribune (a Venezuelan site) reports from the same sources that Jeanine Áñez has requested 350 visas from the US government.

OT also reports that major Venezuelan "opposition" figure Leopoldo López left Venezuela for Spain not long after Áñez decided to leave Bolivia. López is the puppet-master behind Juan Guaido. Sad to see Guaido being abandoned. (I'm playing an invisible tiny violin with my thumb and forefinger.)

Venezuelanalysis.com confirms the news about Leopoldo López fleeing Venezuela with his tail between his legs. It has nothing as yet on Áñez but the website possibly needs updating.

Posted by: Jen | Oct 27 2020 11:09 utc | 107

One thing to note about the Russian airstrikes in Idlib and Jarabolus is that they are a direct personal "message" to Erdogan and his family. The Jarabolus stolen-oil market is on the same route that was was used years ago, by the Erdogan family at the beginning of the Russian intervention in Syria. The family were profiting directly from the "thousands" of oil tankers heading for the Turkish border, after which the stolen oil was then sent down to the coast and sold onwards to Israel. The convoys were eliminated by the Russian airforce at the time.

It would appear that they might have set up that lucrative trade once again. (With US help?) I don't know if the oil is then "sold-on" to Israel as before, but probably yes,as it would be cheap and therefore profitable.

The Bear aappears to have been well and truly poked. More so after the Acute Metabolic disorder of Navalny has led to more sanctions, and after the refusal of the US to continue the START2 talks. (Where the US has "stocked" previous nukes instead of destroying them, giving the US a numerical avantage. Thanks Arby I think, plus another poster who mention Quantity v Quality as a factor in a previous thread).

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 27 2020 11:10 utc | 108

Debsisdead | Oct 26 2020 22:24 utc | 48

It being winter might even give the Russsians an advantage as they are more trained for warfare under those conditions.

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 27 2020 11:15 utc | 109

How did you all fall for Chomsky for so long?
He only talks about events that happened 20 years ago while promotion the actual deep state narrative.
He is controlled opposition...

Posted by: Zico the Musketeer | Oct 27 2020 11:18 utc | 110

willie | Oct 27 2020 7:45 utc | 98 (Tête de Turc ,as an expression...)

That machine, sometimes set up at carnival, is known in the US as a "high-striker" or "highstrike". Sometimes there are small lamps that show how high the "puck" flies or goes, and also sometimes a bright flashing lamp at the top, which flashes to show a "win", also a large bell at the top, which is struck and rings when struck by the "puck", which slided up and down. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_striker
Many fights break out when young fellas show off at a highstrike, in the US anyway. Most carnivals do not have highstrikers these days because of the fights, "beefs".

Posted by: Walter | Oct 27 2020 11:23 utc | 111

I'm from Latin America too and I can attest that it is indeed a shithole.
I'm in the very middle of it!

It is so not because they are bad administrator. It is the way it is because every 30 years an someone come to the region a d destroy every activity that works. I doesn't matter what it is. If it's working, it will be destroyed.

VK is disappointed because HERE people are not aware of those actors.
That's what he was referring as a difference from Latin America to Turkey that knows really well who they are and plan your own role in the future.

Very different from Latin America indeed.
In Brazil people are still debating if Lula is a thief.... They can't see the psyops operation because they do not know the actors.

Posted by: Zico the Musketeer | Oct 27 2020 11:27 utc | 112

"The beheading of that teacher is ulimately the responsibility of the West, not Islam."
Blue dottered.
France have is responsibility for flirting with such Islamic elements as sunni and wahhabi terrorists but your president, Erdogan has been caught many times in European customs for smuggling weapons to Islamic communities and ghettos in the EU, not to mention the 5 million man strong potential Muslim terrorist cell in Germany, in addition to sending in waves of Muslim "migrants" trained in turkish training camps at the border. I'd say he and Islam as such has much to do with cutthroats in France.

Posted by: Benahoare | Oct 27 2020 11:41 utc | 113

Thank you very much Walter for providing answer to my question."Highstrike",not the kind of word we learn at school in english hour.The machine you describe so well,with puck and bell,was very wide spread in Europe as well,and I have made some tries at it as a child when it was there on some fancy-fair.In the netherlands we called it "de Kop-van-Jut" i.e. the head of Jut,and I am not sure who was Jut,but it may be a dialect word for jew,in german,jood in dutch.Or maybe not.Son many things from our youth that even our younger brothers or sisters have forgotten about since those items disappeared.One reason to read books from years ago.
Glad to see you are still around,though commenting parcimoniously,by the way.

Posted by: willie | Oct 27 2020 12:16 utc | 114

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 27 2020 9:11 utc | 104/106

Of course the opposition does oppose Erdoğan's policies on Syria, so why would they tread more carefully on the others.

"One of the most cowardly and deceitful comments I have seen on this site. Straight from the mouths of Muslim Brotherhood AKP."

Nonsense, so you are a defender of Western Imperialism and the promotion of "Islamic", aka, Western terrorism in Muslim and Western countries. Who do you think are responsible for creating this "Green Revolution" anyway? Where have you been the past 40 years? "Islamic" terrorism is Western Terrorism.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 27 2020 12:47 utc | 115

"One thing to note about the Russian airstrikes in Idlib and Jarabolus is that they are a direct personal "message" to Erdogan and his family"
Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 27 2020 11:10 utc | 114

Since it hasn't been demonstrated that Russians themselves actually conducted these airstrikes it would be absurd to believe or even contend these are also direct personal messages.

Posted by: R Rose | Oct 27 2020 12:48 utc | 116

Idlib has become feeble, divided and confused. It is US support which is keeping them going.

Posted by: Laguerre | Oct 26 2020 22:49 utc | 56

Thank You for pointing that fact out Laguerre. If I may? British help factors into the picture as well.

Posted by: R Rose | Oct 27 2020 12:53 utc | 117

@Blue Dotterel

You are just repeating the same disingenuous moronic rubbish that is presented on Beyaz TV and its ilk.

Posted by: AtaBrir | Oct 27 2020 13:15 utc | 118

How did you all fall for Chomsky for so long?
He only talks about events that happened 20 years ago while promotion the actual deep state narrative.
He is controlled opposition...

Posted by: Zico the Musketeer | Oct 27 2020 11:18 utc | 116

Some thinking people can see reason for voting for Biden (with all precautions, like a Hazmat suit with oxygen supply), or for Trump (I must admit that I would need to stretch to see something not absurd) or for a "real progressive" or what not at all.

Consider the Trumpian records on things nuclear. He goes for dismantling ALL treaties that limit the development and production of new weapons, and he so-called negotiator salivates at the prospect of "spending the adversaries into oblivion". Than Trumpian mania to starve unfriendly countries with sanctions getting ratcheted on weekly basis.

Or consider Trumpian glorification of torture, police violence and police killings.

One can engage in whataboutery, but Chomsky at similar others have valid reasons.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 27 2020 13:25 utc | 119


So, just as an aside, I was thinking today that 20+ years on from the rape of Yugoslavia, the inviolability of borders in Europe is dead, as predicted. Largely as a result of NATO's desire and need to expand East and South. More little unrecognized independent states all the time, and not just in Europe.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 27 2020 13:51 utc | 120

zico the musketeer
One of the problems with Latin American is how we love to castigate ourselves. We have come to believe every single sin with which the west accuses us of committing from backward to corrupt. No doubt there is a lot of that here, but there is a lot of that -and probably more- in the west. I remember the incredible American corruption during the Iraqi occupation: billions disappeared in the hands of corrupt American politicians and the military. Wasn't Halliburton also selling the Pentagon stuff st several times its real price? But, of course, Latin Americans are the worst, zico the musketeer dixit. Turkey? In Latin America, it has the fame of backward and above all barbarous. I suppose the Armenian issue doesn't help. Erdogan is a classical example: arrogant, unnecessarily aggresive, and foolishly reckless. Yes, a classical Turk. But you are free to admire anybody you want. There are even people that admire Trump, and Obama, and Bush Jr. And the US. When you mentioned about somenone playing your (sic) own role in the future, I supposed you meant Turkey. Have you followed Turkey's foreign policy under Erdogan? Or his economic failures? Or how he has made enemies of almost everyone? It seems you haven't read b's article.

Posted by: Jaime | Oct 27 2020 14:00 utc | 121

An excellent analyse by b. Whether or not events are being driven by “Erdogan's Neo-Ottoman dreams”, the conflict is extremely dangerous, not just for Turkey itself and other countries in the region, but for the world. We always study history retrospectively, but never learn its lessons for the present to prevent repeating the same mistakes in the future.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/


Posted by: peter mcloughlin | Oct 27 2020 14:33 utc | 122

b is once more falling into the trap of believing that the Ottoman bad cop to the Amerikastani Empire (and its French vassal) good cop is a genuine rift. Look at the map, b. The Ottomans are and will remain the single most strategically located country in NATO, astride the chokepoint of the Black Sea and overlooking all of West Asia up to the western border of Iran. The Ottomans are still the second largest and by far the best, indeed the only remotely competent, military force in NATO. And the Ottoman economy, even in "implosion", is many times stronger than a basket case like Greece. Amerikastani nuclear weapons are still in Incirlik, the Ottomans are still advancing NATO objectives where all the wars Erdo is waging are against Russian allies, and you still think that the Ottomans aren't just the sword arm of the Amerikastani Empire? Really?!?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 27 2020 14:34 utc | 123

@100

Yes, the Turkish aggression in Cyprus was after a Greek (not Cypriot Greek, Greek Greek) coup against the (Cypriot Greek) prime minister (which he escaped with his life by literally sneaking out of the back door) threatened to annex Cyprus to Greece. Turkey invaded to "protect Turkish Cypriots". Be that as it may, the contention that Turkey wantonly invaded Cyprus in some kind of "religious" or "ethnic" war is flawed from here to Sunday.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 27 2020 14:46 utc | 124

Posted by: AtaBrir | Oct 27 2020 13:15 utc | 124

And you are repeating the same moronic rubbish that appears on the MSM in the West. One man's rubbish is another man's truth, I guess. Maybe Beyaz TV has got it right for once (don't watch it, actually)

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 27 2020 15:30 utc | 125

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 27 2020 14:46 utc | 130

Yes, and intervened legally according to a tripartite agreement signed between Turkey, Greece and the UK at the Cyprus Republic's formation.

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 27 2020 15:34 utc | 126

Jackrabbit @Oct26 20:56 #29

Occam's razor + Thucydides Trap = every Empire sphincter is now "under pressure and likely to escalate".

Modi playing a high-risk game as he stands firm with US and takes aim at China

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Oct 27 2020 15:45 utc | 127

Piotr Berman @125: "...consider Trumpian glorification of torture, police violence and police killings."

Precisely why Trump should be president again. That honesty in a politician is so refreshing, isn't it? Political speak is a synonym for lying. Everyone knows that. "Political correctness" is just "nice" lies. The faux left hate Trump not for his lies because they lie themselves all the time. They hate Trump because he doesn't even try to disguise his lies, which itself is a kind of honesty.

Face it, Trump's offensiveness and crudeness perfectly represents America's true character. Why would anyone want America to have a president whose only advantage over Trump is that he (or she) lies better?

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 27 2020 15:47 utc | 128

An interesting analysis. Erdoğan clearly has become a liability for and a negative influence on his country.

Bernhard, there 1 thing that puzzles me, and which you seem to have copied from the MSM. Can you please explain how it is possible to behead someone with a knife? the act must be carried out in a matter of seconds otherwise bystanders would jump on the perpetrator and prevent the public beheading.

I am seriously intrigued by this. And by copying the beheading description blindly you are also spreading the equation Islam = beheadings.

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Oct 27 2020 16:21 utc | 129

@ Posted by: Jaime | Oct 27 2020 14:00 utc | 127

Latin America has two big problems:

1) it is the backyard of the most powerful empire ever created by humanity. The pressure, therefore, is immense - both ideologically and literally (i.e. violence). Against an overwhelming alien power, life tends to get docile and submissive so it can preserve itself. Latin America literally is besieged by USN whole fleets - both in the Pacific and the Atlantic - 24/7. Any socialist government is literally in the aim of American destroyers' cannons; the USA can flatten any Latin American country it wants, anytime;

2) Latin America has a huge Christian ideological influence. Everything in Latin American political discourse has some Christian root. This is an extremely toxic cocktail, because, at the same time, the right-wing becomes very aggressive and even genocidal (e.g. Bolivia) while the left-wing becomes pacific and anti-violence, and "anti-vengeance" (e.g. Brazil; Bolivia). The right-wing can then castigate the left-wing at will, without any fear of retaliation of major repercussions - even when their coups fail. This results in a vicious and extremely degenerative "Groundhog Day" effect, where the subcontinent is periodically castigated by cycles of slow and gradual improvements followed by sudden and very violent destruction of what was previously earned.

Posted by: vk | Oct 27 2020 16:48 utc | 130

Erdogan actions needs be judged in context of being a key player in the Great Game. You can’t just look at him and ask why isnt he an enlightened neoliberal like Macron. The Ottoman Empire was destroyed by the West so Churchill can get his greedy mitts on Persian Gulf Oil. As much as they try to deny the US and their vassal stares are in a war on Islamic countries at the behest of Israel and the banking cabal in London. The Muslim Brotherhood, in which Erdogan is a card carrying member, was developed by the western spook agencies during the Cold War. So if anyone has any real insight on which Erdogan move is own, vs which one was coordinated by his handlers in DC and London, i would love to know what facts you have.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 27 2020 17:19 utc | 131

You would think after getting their country robbed blind and F$& by the banking cabal, at the very least the Greeks would have more of a clue.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 27 2020 17:35 utc | 132

Why the dispute with Greece in Eastern Mediterranean is not a problem for Turkey:

Europe is Balancing on Turkish Scales

So what? The European Union did discuss but failed to agree on an arms embargo on Turkey to punish it for violating Greeks and Cypriots’ sovereign rights in the Eastern Mediterranean. Among those who blocked this proposal put forward by Greece were Germany (despite the previous public rhetoric of Heiko Maas!), Spain, Italy, Hungary, and Malta, explaining their position by “economic reasons and fears of illegal immigration from Turkey.” France, Austria, and Slovenia supported Greece in this effort, while the rest of the EU Member States abstained. As a result, the European Union put the brakes on discussing this issue, limiting itself only to promises to Greece and Cyprus that “the EU should meet again in December to discuss possible sanctions against Ankara.”

As for Canada, it seems it is directing its actions on the Nargono-Karabakh imbroglio alone:

So far, only Canada’s government has suspended licenses for the supply of military equipment to Turkey [...]

The American will eventually have to bend over and bail the Turkish economy out without those IMF draconic conditions if it doesn't want to lose the Bosphorus, while the EU will have to accept the Eastern Mediterranean as part of the Asiatic sphere of influence, as they can't prop up the Greek position - be it because they don't have the resources to do so, be it because they're afraid of a new refugee influx into their territory, be it because the USA will tell them to do so.

Posted by: vk | Oct 27 2020 18:06 utc | 133

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The guy posted the severed head on Twitter apparently; it must be available somewhere.
The first report I heard however only said that the knife had been inserted in the throat.

Posted by: Mina | Oct 27 2020 18:26 utc | 134

Paradoxically, I’m not rich enough to buy cheap things.

Turkey is a NATO member and will have to be supported by member states for this to go any further, and I doubt that it will be.
Turkey in Syria.
Turkey in Libya.
Turkey in Iraq.
Turkey in Azerbaijan.
Turkey in economic war with US over S400 deployments.
Center cannot hold. It’s either all out, on all fronts, or, pull back in some.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 27 2020 18:27 utc | 135

@Sakineh Bagoom | 135
It already reads like a list of foreign policy failures.

@Turk and @BlueDotrell
You could be twins, unsurprisingly. )))

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 27 2020 20:31 utc | 136

@ Blue Dotterel | Oct 27 2020 7:35 utc | 91... thanks for your comments... i think it is everyone's responsibility where we are at present, although i know the blame game is very popular and hard to displace... until there is some flexibility and being able to see the other sides point of view, i think we will continue to struggle on the planet.. how much have we created and how much has been forced on us is not an easy question to answer, but easy answers seem very popular at the moment..

Posted by: james | Oct 27 2020 20:31 utc | 137

Kadath at 17:
You forgot to mention that Biden has been photographed groping and fondling and sniffing the hair of numerous children and people with vaginas.
Biden has pledged to allow boys and men into the sports of menstruators, where they regularly beat people with vaginas competitors, at running, power lifting, cage fighting, etc. He also will open up the restrooms, prison cells, rape centers and domestic violence refuges of XX humans, to men.
Democrats, who have enthusiastically embraced the erasure of those formerly known as "women", scream that Dems must vote to make sure that someday the Supreme Court doesn't overthrow Roe vs Wade, the 48 year old decision that both duopoly parties use to dupe the most stupid among their followers into voting for or against that settled law. Dems insist: What if a person with a uterus gets pregnant and doesn't want to be a parent? (Mother is also a bad word now, to the ID Pol crowd). Ze must be able to get an abortion, so that ze doesn't have to give birth through zer front hole and chest feed. It's called "freedom".
Any woman who votes for Biden is voting for the erasure of her own sex. Pathetic.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 27 2020 20:41 utc | 138

William Gruff @ 128
Face it, Trump's offensiveness and crudeness perfectly represents America's true character. Why would anyone want America to have a president whose only advantage over Trump is that he (or she) lies better?

That will go down as one of the great observations of the modern age. Half the voters are tired of the woke crowd and want to thrash them for their lies and the other half want to thrash the Trumper side for their lies. Offensive and crude, true ugly Americans in total.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 27 2020 20:42 utc | 139

Blue Dotterel #91

BS to all that. Turdogan and his ridiculous cowards are simply masking their Plunder of Turkish people and their economy. The opposition parties live n terror of his constant witch hunts. He destroyed Turkish democracy and the secular state, His grubby little party of weaklings and thieves relies on direct thuggery and abuse of opposition voices. The west has a useful idiot in their hands and they wield him as needed.

This crappy little Turk and his entourage have demolished a great country by constantly wagging the nationalist flag and appealing to the basest motives of the crowd. Even in the USA his thugs tried to smash a Brookings institute meeting and attacked journalists there.

He does all this swagger at all time to cover his tracks while he plunders the homeland - sometimes at his whim and sometimes at the behest of the West. Despicable.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 27 2020 21:02 utc | 140

Mina #101

"...and that the police did not do anything although we are still in the midst of the daily trial of the Charlie and kasher supermarkets attacks?"

Exactly that - thank you. The French Police did nothing. These uniformed cowards and accomplices of the Macron State are contemptible. The most significant measure of police effectiveness is their ability to protect citizens from exactly this form of violence. The French police are fine toughing it out with the gillets jaune and a few other groups in mass demonstrations but have no courage or intelligence when it comes to crimes against the fundamental rights of free speech and the right to criticise religion.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 27 2020 21:11 utc | 141

Posted by: Mia | Oct 27 2020 8:22 utc | 95
"How about "the sick man of Europe"? Turdogan didn't improve that diagnose for the better did he? Whenever west or Russia calls his bluff he immediately backs off. ...Then he tried an offensive with his cutthroat army in idlib but were surrounded by the SAA. Didn't work."

Not sure what your intention is to minimize Turkey's role in the war on Syria and please forgive my pedantry, but this line of reasoning is a real disservice to the people of Syria. Bear in mind that denying Turkey's achievements will not deprive it of anything worthwhile. It will, however, reinforce the dominant narrative and absolve the belligerence of the conflict's main actors.

The occupied territories of Euphrates Shield, Olive Branch and Peace Spring add up to about 9000 km2. If you add the 6000 km2 Beardistan surrounding Idlib, it makes little sense to minimize the actions of NATO ally Turkey.

And once you add the 50 000 km2 of SDF held territory and the 5000 km2 of Al Tanf protected by more NATO allies, it becomes clear that the syrian nation has successfully been dispossessed of more than a third of its sovereign territory.

Posted by: robin | Oct 27 2020 22:16 utc | 142

@AtaBrit

I’m not defending Erdogan, he is a nightmare.

My point is whether it installing the House of Saud, creating the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muhajadeen, creating then destroying Saddam, these dirty tricks are cooked up by UK and US intelligence as tools for one adventure or another, then the Muslim people have to suffer under all the corrupt assholes that that they install as part of your dividends and colonize strategy.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 28 2020 0:28 utc | 143

Turk 152 #132

"You would think after getting their country robbed blind and F$& by the banking cabal, at the very least the Greeks would have more of a clue."

Yes you might leap to that conclusion but consider the Greeks are bound hand and foot in the EU IMF cells. Prisoners to private finance capital. They had a chance for freedom but were betrayed.

Same goes for the Turks rotting in their Turdogan family mafia cells. You might think they would have more of a clue as to who their oppressor is. Clearly Turdogan has lost his genteel marbles and thrown off the cloak of decency and is now thrashing about the Mediterranean and hinterlands seeking an ignominious demise.

Given that he and his political allies (in Turkish occupied Greece) should have more than a clue as to the fate that awaits him then the only conclusion is that they are doomed to be eliminated. Sooner the better.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2020 2:44 utc | 144

Turk 152 #143

"I’m not defending Erdogan, he is a nightmare.

My point is whether it installing the House of Saud, creating the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muhajadeen, creating then destroying Saddam, these dirty tricks are cooked up by UK and US intelligence as tools for one adventure or another, then the Muslim people have to suffer under all the corrupt assholes that that they install as part of your dividends and colonize strategy."

Agreed entirely, and nicely put. But it worked and they got the oil and gas the UKUSAi wanted to steal for the past century.

They know full well that science and technology will continue to turn up new private finance opportunities for plunder.

Now for the next century is lithium a thing? Ask Bolivia and all that border the Altiplano. There are a few rare earths too. Time will tell.

Lets hope Graphene batteries make it into mega production soon and the planets fresh waters wont need to be wasted on lithium so much.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Oct 28 2020 2:52 utc | 145

re Stonebird | Oct 27 2020 11:15 utc | 109 who guessed:
"It being winter might even give the Russsians (sic) an advantage as they are more trained for warfare under those conditions."

If that is the case why then is it that major conflict, particularly strategic conflict (i.e. to gain territorial advantage), in previous years has always ceased by about the 2nd week in October? That is especially true in the north where virtually all conflict stops.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 28 2020 3:19 utc | 146

The comments comparing Turkey and Latin America were interesting. However, I would except the recent on by vk@130:

"Latin America has a huge Christian ideological influence. Everything in Latin American political discourse has some Christian root. This is an extremely toxic cocktail, because, at the same time, the right-wing becomes very aggressive and even genocidal (e.g. Bolivia) while the left-wing becomes pacific and anti-violence, and "anti-vengeance" (e.g. Brazil; Bolivia)..."

This was in answer to Jaime @ 121, who had begun by saying "One of the problems with Latin American is how we love to castigate ourselves. We have come to believe every single sin with which the west accuses us of committing from backward to corrupt. No doubt there is a lot of that here, but there is a lot of that -and probably more- in the west..."

Your answer to what I take to be an honorable assessment,vk, was discourteous and not at all accurate. Latin American nations have indeed been disrupted by coups and oppression, not the fewest of which have been assisted by their neighbor to the north. The people there have suffered much. They can be proud of continuing to resist such upheavals, and I would say that the blame does not lie with Christian influence. They have given the world Pope Francis, and many leaders whose concern was for the people they governed.

I think, vk, it is your assessment that is rather the 'toxic cocktail' you describe. I wish for those countries the peace they deserve and to be allowed to conduct their affairs free from outside interference, on Christian terms or the terms of any other part of their histories that speak only to them.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 28 2020 3:19 utc | 147

@Turk/ @Bluedottrel
"these dirty tricks are cooked up by UK and US intelligence ... then the Muslim people have to suffer"

We are talking about Turkey which has been far more than entirely complicit in the war games wrought by the US/ UK. There is no way Turkish muslims can escape responsibility for the absolute hell that is being wrought regionally. And to attempt to do so is cowardly and deceitful. It is no surprise that Turkey is the head of the Muslim Brotherhood snake.

Turks know very well and have known for a long time the games they are playing.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 28 2020 4:12 utc | 148

@Turk/ @Bluedottrel
"these dirty tricks are cooked up by UK and US intelligence ... then the Muslim people have to suffer"

We are talking about Turkey which has been far more than entirely complicit in the war games wrought by the US/ UK. There is no way Turkish muslims can escape responsibility for the absolute hell that is being wrought regionally. And to attempt to do so is cowardly and deceitful. It is no surprise that Turkey is the head of the Muslim Brotherhood snake.

Turks know very well and have known for a long time the games they are playing.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 28 2020 4:12 utc | 149

"Turdogan and his ridiculous cowards are simply masking their Plunder of Turkish people and their economy."

Well said. But the benefits of that plunder are also seen at the lower levels of AKP supporter. The sheer scaLe of cronyism is difficult for anyone in the West to imagine. But as an example just in Ankara alone, 800 employees were employed directly as a result of links to Davutoglu and they were not just given posts in the local municipality they were also being paid all manner of benefits from university scholarships to private school fees to veteran benefits etc none of which they qualified for. Thats just one politician in one city! Imagine!
It is this level of corruption and remuneration that keeps people loyal!!

It is staggering. How do you turn that depth political infiltration around?

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 28 2020 4:28 utc | 150

"Of course the opposition does oppose Erdoğan's policies on Syria, so why would they tread more carefully on the others."

You are making ridiculous statement which is why I did not respond to the Syria aspect of your comment. But since you insist.

Firstly, recent campaigns in Syria are met with the same careful and fearful opposition as all other recent military campaigns. There is no difference.

If you are talking about the Syria conflict in general then it is a stupid comment because during the decade+ of the Syria conflict, freedom of speech in Turkey has been under ever growing authoritarian attack to the point we are at now.

All those who spoke out against the Syrian conflict, who supported the Gezi riots or Demirtas or who questiones the staged coup previously have been silenced - household name anchors removed, media groups changed hands, newspapers and websites shut down or blocked, politicians and journalists imprisoned and demonised, private indivduals imprisoned arrested lynched tens of thousands of media accounts closed, tens of thousands of people in exile, millions in fear.

Are you even aware of the foul lynching and police taunting, reporting and entrapment that goes on in Turkish social media nowadays, the only media space left that is apparently not under full control?!!

Your posts play to this same nasty pernicious culture of state oppression. Congratulations.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 28 2020 4:56 utc | 151

Sorry, that was @bluedottrel.

And apologies to anyone who might think my posts here too aggressive the last couple of days. But people like @bluedottrel who time and again knowingly, intentionally and unintelligently try to mislead others drive me mad.

I will always have respect for those who think independently irrespective of their views, yes even the ever delightful Laguerre, but @bluedottrel is not such a person.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 28 2020 5:00 utc | 152

AtaBrit:

Blue Dotterel, in his defence of Union-and-Progress type Turkish ultranationalism, is right on one point: a majority of the opposition in Turkey does support nationalist adventures and aggression of any type, while playing to the gallery as if they were opposing it at times -- as to the procedures and methods only (in this particular case, the objection is, as you said, that the govt was "too quick to engage"). The reason is simple: as the only radical opposition, the HDP, is now hounded, jailed, murdered and constantly harassed, all the rest of the opposition can be divided into two groups: the Neo-Nazis (3 main tendencies), and the really large group of past dictator Kemal Pasha's own party, supporter and instigator of all past military takeovers.

Posted by: Piero Colombo | Oct 28 2020 5:15 utc | 153

@AtaBrit

"...war games wrought by the US/ UK..."

The Turks are the deceitful snakes trying to escape responsibility?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 28 2020 5:20 utc | 154

@Piero Colombo | Oct 28 2020 5:15 utc | 153

That was not the point. The point specifically was her claim that the opposition support current military campaigns but not Syria.
That comparative is entirely flawed and that was the reason for my response.
That Turkish nationalists support military campaigns is unquestiknable, they supported the Syrian conflict and the terror against Kurdish communities too.

As for the genuine voices of opposition to military campaigns in Turkey there are none of any strength for the very reasons I have stated.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 28 2020 6:30 utc | 155

@Turk 152 | 154

I wouldn't use the definite article and I didn't call Turks snakes.

Care to refute the remainder?

Posted by: AtaBrit | Oct 28 2020 6:35 utc | 156

@AtaBrit

You do suggest, rather strongly, that all Turks share a collective responsibility for Erdogan's atrocities, which incidentally, likely occurred under the direction of the US, rathte than the Turkish people, as it certainly did for Syria under Obama, then Clinton and Sarkozy when Obama no longer had the stomach. Do you similarly suggest that all Americans and British citizens are now and forevermore collectively responsible for the horrendous atrocities of the US and British Empires? No, of course not, you rationally conclude that despite living in a pretend democracy, the US and UK citizens have no power whatsoever over the actions of their corrupt leaders war mongering and there isn't anything they can do about it no matter how many times they go to the ballot box. So, while I don't deny the atrocities, what I am asking for is a little less hypocrisy.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 28 2020 14:50 utc | 157

About Da'esh Intl, this piece of news did not reach front pages (as one could expect)
https://apnews.com/article/islamic-state-group-prisons-93252de54634c8bbf7b45a505ca00ecc

Who would have thought they were trying to get a share in the diamond and rare earth business? (sarc.)

Posted by: Mina | Oct 28 2020 15:43 utc | 158

https://armenianweekly.com/2020/10/10/noam-chomsky-discusses-azeri-aggression-on-artsakh/
Chomsky on Armenia

Posted by: Mina | Oct 28 2020 16:02 utc | 159

Turk 152

Translated from french,the first 5000 words of an article I've linked to a few days ago,about the role of the Muslim Brotherhood:

"The mad love of France and of the jihad, bloody boomerang.

by Jacques-Marie BOURGET

It was during the Second world war, an idea, as brown as the others, rises to the head of the nazis : use of the communities of the member States, "muslims" of the USSR so that they, Chechens, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, and shot in the back of the Soviets.

Ian Johnson, an american journalist who won a Pulitzer Prize, has drawn in thousands of documents to uncover this truth sealed with a swastika. Light of dark history he has revealed in a book, " A mosque in Munich. The nazis, the CIA, and the rise of the muslim brotherhood in the West ", a book published by JC Lattès. Ten years later, a good idea may not appeal to the Americans, who are cuddling the Muslim brotherhood as friends are rare, and useful. In July 1953, the photo is on the Internet, we can see a delegation of the "Brothers" at the side of Dwight Eisenhower, the US president. The document even features a bonus, the presence of Saïd, the son-in-law of Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the islamic sect. A character, a CIA agent, who is also the father of Tarik Ramadan.

The recovery, by Washington, from this idea, born under the Third Reich, has two objectives, use the muslims to defeat the USSR and to provide leaders suitable to put at the head of the Arab countries, as the United States, whose seal is " In god we trust ", are convinced that these "Brothers" will be close friends. In fact, all the lay leaders of the Middle and Near East are opposed, defamed, surrounded, killed. In muslim countries Washington combat the Lights. Mossadegh, iranian prime minister which seeks to establish democracy and independence in the face of the colonial empires, in terms of oil, for example, was overthrown in August 1953 in a coup in america who reinstalled the Shah to replace him in 1979 by the if religious -and hypothesized good partner - the imam Khomeini. Nasser, the egyptian president will remain a nightmare constant to the anglo-americans, who fought the Muslim brotherhood, and refused to veil the women of his country (1). One by one, all those who refuse to accept governance under the umbrella of Allah disappear. Gaddafi will be the last to be dethroned, for lack of the West, have had the skin of Bashar Al-Assad.

If political assassinations are a first weapon, the second is strictly military, since it mobilises, throughout the Ummah, men ready to jihad against the infidels and the unbelievers. The offensive begins in Afghanistan, that is to say, the steps of the USSR. The american plan uses all the forces, tribes and militias, able to bring down the regime called " communist ", who governs in Kabul. Washington will choose and train the worst of the mujahideen, crazy of the Prophet (they say) to achieve their goal. Horror is programmed in what he or she knows the worst : murder, torture, rape, organized famine, population displacement. Osama Bin Laden is already the leader of the " believers ", the captain of a war rich (he is very wealthy and has the support of his country Saudi Arabia). For Washington and the US press, Osama is a hero, a valiant and deserving of the full collection of the " Distinghished Service Cross ". His group of "resistant" is already a name that would become famous : "al-Qaeda ", " The Base ". The dream us will take up to ten years for this to happen, tired of the afghan war the USSR died in 1989 (2).

Tanks-thinkers in Washington know very well that, even if the eye of Moscow is closed, such allies islamists are too useful to be " demobilized ". America pretends to believe that she has created and maintained the fighters of democracy, " freedom fighters ", according to Donald Reagan. The USSR has disappeared, the first designated target jihadists by U.S. imperialism, radical islam to wahhabism or salafism, it is Algeria. For the lost children of the algerian Revolution, those who are engaged in the afghan war, without that Algiers does not prevent, it is the time of return to the country. They return with a deposit in their luggage : transform Algeria Democratic and Popular in an Islamic Republic. Will be born then the GIA, the Armed Islamic Group, which, with 20,000 men, is a metastasis of "al Qaeda" and other groups less well known, all the barbarians and the defenders of the dream to be exported from America.
Analyzed by the rights rightsists French, this war on "islamic" Algeria is described as a lure, a vast settlement of accounts between the clans military. In fact, under this terrible title, that of the " Who kills who ? "of Mitterrand, the former guillotineur of the Algerian War, these intellectuals who will sell it in the humanist copies - France laugh for the crimes committed in its former colony. "The who kills who ? "in other words, the war made by the GIA to be his people, becomes, in the doxa an invention of the generals, by the middle of the chaos, intend to retain the power. We do not speak of war, but a new time in the history of this country, " events ". Do note that none of these flatterers of the jihad in algeria today has apologized to a people who was martyred. On the contrary, these rights rightsists, always in the shelter of the vans of NATO, are trying to replace the cover with their support the " Hirak "." end quote,the rest is very worthy of reading.

Posted by: willie | Oct 29 2020 7:44 utc | 160

@willie 160 Thanks. There is a book on the topic that I found quite illuminating. Secret Affairs, British Collusion with Radical Islam. Mark Curtis.

There are so many well educated, normal, pro-western, securalized Muslims in Turkey, but they are useless to the US/UK Empire.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 29 2020 13:37 utc | 161

@ Turk 152 | 161

Typical AKP trolls always turning eveything around to ensure that the responsibility for everything lies with anyone but Turkey.

Muslim Brotherhood Terror Supporting apologisist is what they are.

Nothing more nothing less

Posted by: AtaBrit | Nov 1 2020 10:41 utc | 162

خرید فالوور

Posted by: myinsta | Nov 4 2020 10:46 utc | 163

تعمیرات کرج

Posted by: tamiratkaraj | Nov 4 2020 10:49 utc | 164

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