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September 13, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-73

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

Other issues:


The greater depression:

Civil War of 2020:


> Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented U.S. President Donald Trump with a doctored video which showed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas calling for the murder of children, former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson told Bob Woodward in his new book "Rage". <


  • Dune (1984/2020) side-by-side comparison (vid)
    A side-by-side, shot-for-shot comparison between the trailer for Dune (2020) and the 1984 film adapted from the same novel by Frank Herbert. This video is meant to show the variety of choices made by two different groups of filmmakers 36 years apart when adapting the same written work.
    The David Lynch original looks better to me.

Use as open thread ...

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Bemildred @Sep14 15:42 #97

Woodward & Trump: I'm not sure what is going on there, but whatever it is, I don't believe it. Bunch of liars are not going to suddenly burst out the truth out of civic mindedness. The political equivalent of "Look! A bird!"

This is what I think is going on:

TPTB are adding to the BLAME CHINA! narrative.

If lame-brained, ego-centric Trump knew how bad the virus was ... then the Chinese MUST HAVE KNOWN TOO!

And we see the blame China narrative continuing with other crapola like this: 'Rogue' Chinese Virologist Joins Twitter, Publishes "Smoking Gun" Evidence COVID-19 Created In Lab.

But that doesn't mean that Trump didn't deliberately allow the virus to spread. Or that he did so via a naive political calculation (as b has asserted).


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 16:19 utc | 101

Reverse gaslighting:

Wow, ZH is crap.

Posted by: oglalla | Sep 14 2020 16:21 utc | 102

@ psychohistorian | Sep 14 2020 3:44 utc | 68.. i don't think it matters in the end, but caitlin is calling it like she sees it and it is worth reporting on...

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2020 16:31 utc | 103

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 16:19 utc | 101

It was quite obvious in the beginning (January, February) that Trump had a very cavalier attitude about the virus, pretty stupid by appearances, and I do wonder what he was thinking at the time. I know he said some things, but he is always bullshitting. Anyway, I don't think things have turned out at all the way he expected, but there is no telling what dipshit ideas he might have had back then. I mean this whole Woodsward things looks like a self-inflicted wound, doesn't it? Why would he give Woodward all that time? Hoping for another impeachment? It makes no sense, and Trump is not a public spirited guy.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 16:40 utc | 104

Someone noted Lavrov's conception of friendship and alignments in international relations. That came from this presser, which also included the following long, detailed comment about dealing with sanctions and relations with EU:

"The Western sanctions have been an eye-opener for us. They started long before the events in Ukraine or the referendum in Crimea. This process can be traced back to the Obama administration, when Edward Snowden found himself on Russian territory. He may have broken the US law, but he was persecuted for exposing activities by US structures, which were totally illegal, illegitimate and in many ways criminal, consisting of using unacceptable approaches abroad and undermining legitimate governments. Since then, we have grown used to sanctions. Reducing our response to all this to the so-called import substitution would be a narrow way of looking at things.

"In principle, the geopolitical response over these years consisted of recognising that our Western partners were unreliable, including, unfortunately, members of the European Union. We had many far-reaching plans, and there are documents setting forth the path to developing relations with the EU in the energy sector and high technology, and stepping up economic cooperation in general. We share a single geopolitical space. Considering our shared geography, logistics, and infrastructure across the Eurasian continent, we benefit from a substantial comparative advantage.

"It would certainly be a grave mistake for us and the European Union, as well as other countries in this space, including the SCO, the EAEU, and the ASEAN, which is also nearby, not to use our comparative geopolitical and geoeconomic advantages in an increasingly competitive world. Unfortunately, the European Union sacrificed its geoeconomic and strategic interests for the sake of its momentary desire to match the United States in what they refer to as “punishing Russia.” We have grown used to this. We now understand that we need a safety net in all our future plans related to reviving the full partnership with the European Union. This means that we need to proceed in a way that if the EU sticks to its negative, destructive positions, we would not depend on its whims and could provide for our development on our own while working with those who are ready to cooperate with us in an equal and mutually respectful manner."

Lavrov's comment about friendship then followed, with the above providing further context. TASS provides more as it seems Putin/Lavrov have decided to take a new stance toward the EU:

"Western countries are showing their arrogance when they doubt the verdicts and the professionalism of Russian medics who treated Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in an interview with RTVI channel....

"'Western partners are looking at us with arrogance in this regard: we have the right to doubt if they are right and to doubt their [Russian] professionalism [over Navalny’s alleged poisoning]. If this is so, then they [representatives of the West] dare doubt the professionalism of our doctors and investigators,' Lavrov said. 'This stance unfortunately reminds us of the past. Europe used to be arrogant and felt infallible before, which led to tragic consequences.'

"Had there been no Navalny case, Western nations would have invented another pretext to impose more sanctions on Russia, the top diplomat insisted. 'I agree with our political analysts who say that had there been no Alexei Navalny incident they would have invented anything else as a pretext to impose more sanctions.'" [My Emphasis]

Today Putin agreed to provide Belarus with a state line of credit equivalent to about 1.5 billion dollars. Over the past few days, Putin has met with the entire policy making structure of the Russian government, but very little info is available about the content of discussions. Given recent events and Lavrov's changing tone, think it quite possible a sea-change will occur in Russia-EU relations as Lavrov has just announced they are not friends in any sense.

Thanks to Euroidiots, the world seems to be developing into two differing blocs yet again divided by ideology--Collectivist and Win-Win versus Individualist and Zero-sum. Population-wise, many more billions inhabit the first bloc and desire its outcomes versus those who once held-reign and whose technological advantage no longer exists.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 17:15 utc | 105

@ 106 karlof1... thanks for that... it is a disturbing voice of realism but makes sense...

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2020 17:20 utc | 106

Bemildred @Sep14 16:40 #105

Trump's "cavalier attitude" is belied by:

  1. USA govt has dozens of people at NIH and CDC that plan and prepare for pandemics;
  2. USA/Trump made all deliberations about the pandemic secret for national security reasons;
  3. WE KNOW that senior government officials were briefed about the seriousness of the looming pandemic because at least one Senator sold stocks based on this information (and he told his favored donors about it too!).

<> <> <> <> <>

U.S. Presidents are no longer just people. They are icons and lightening rods. And the narrative that is built around their public persona is supported by an army of troll apologists. And policy is advanced around the persona. Obama is too smart to do x.. y.. z! Trump is just an egotistical, unpredictable loud mouth! Etc.

It's funny (not the humorous kind) to see that troll army in action. And sad to see everyone else shrug.

>> 200,000 US people dead: Partisan politics! Trump was cavalier!

>> USA/Trump China-bashing: Trump is a patriot! Always winning! USA! USA! USA!


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 17:21 utc | 107


I don't mean to pick on you. It's just one excuse after another for Trump. We saw Obama get the same glorified treatment. Obama's critics were derided as haters. Trump's critics are derided as TDS sufferers or Trump is just being Trump. Either way, logical is dismissed and dissent is squashed. USA policy, as executed by the Huckster-in-Chief is impervious to change.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 17:41 utc | 108

Given recent events and Lavrov's changing tone, think it quite possible a sea-change will occur in Russia-EU relations

Didn’t take long, Lavrov cancels a pre scheduled trip to Germany, he was supposed to meet FRG foreign minister.

Trying to read body language on the short conversation Lukashenko - Putin for the press, Lukashenko was not comfortable, Putin as relaxed as ever and gave Luka the old “it’s the economy….”, but emphasizing that Russia will honor the responsibilities assumed in what concerns Union State and CSTO.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 14 2020 17:42 utc | 109

And we are not supposed to notice this crap!?!?

The fakery, the false narratives, the militarism, the looting.



Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 17:46 utc | 110

Google translation:

Hampel: Russophobia and refusal to work by Foreign Minister Maas

The foreign policy spokesman for the AfD parliamentary group in the German Bundestag, Armin-Paulus Hampel, notes that Foreign Minister Heiko Maas has failed completely with his Russia policy. Hampel explains:

“In the worst crisis in German-Russian relations since the fall of the Berlin Wall, Heiko Maas has given the Russian Foreign Minister 90 minutes to meet tomorrow, Tuesday. 90 minutes! The flight time there and back alone is five hours. There is no clearer way to show that you are not interested in an objective solution.

Sergei Lavrov has been the Russian Foreign Minister for more than thirteen years, a full professional on the smooth, diplomatic floor. He knows how to interpret signals and can read between the lines. 90 minutes for a meeting in these difficult times means in plain language: 'Stay at home!'

When Sergei Lavrov was asked by the moderator at an event organized by the Körber Foundation in Berlin how he would rhyme the relationship between the European Union and Russia, he was paused for a moment. Then he smiles broadly and says: 'The rhymes would not be completely suitable for young people, so I do without them.' Let's not ask him what he would rhyme with the current German-Russian relationship.


"Für wie bescheuert halten Sie die Russen?" - AfD-Fraktion im Bundestag
("How stupid do you think the Russians are?" - AfD parliamentary group in the Bundestag)

Posted by: Mao | Sep 14 2020 17:50 utc | 111

Crooke assesses the Iranian Oranges against the backdrop of assorted rotting apples. And while there's much chatter here and elsewhere about an impending US Civil War such appears to already happening in Occupied Palestine according to this article Crooke cites:

"Liberman’s exhortations reflect what appears to verge on a campaign of organized civil disobedience. The government of Israel and the project manager it appointed to deal with the spread of the coronavirus, Dr. Ronni Gamzu, are unable to come up with a publicly credible, organized response. Public trust in the government’s coronavirus-related decisions, motivations and performance has plunged to record lows. More than 65% of Israelis give Netanyahu’s handling of the country’s health and economic crisis a failing grade. Moreover, that is not all. The government has lost almost all ability to issue publicly acceptable instructions and to translate them into action. The prevailing sense is one of a free-for-all, of every man and woman for himself or herself."

And there's more anarchy detailed as you read further. It looks like the Zionist-UAE announcement and Pompeo's spin are meant to cover the domestic upheaval which might actually be worse than Lebanon's.

It's really a terrible shame that the Iranian/Russian collective security proposal for the Persian Gulf region wasn't seriously acted upon. Now the likely outcome will be some sort pact between the Arc of Resistance nations after the next phase of Iranian retribution for Soleimani's murder.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 17:57 utc | 112

@oglalla: "wow, ZH is crap"

Indeed, inflammatory crap.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 17:41 utc | 109

No problem, I appreciate your cynicism even if I do not always agree.


Alistair Crooke has a new one out which is interesting:

Dr Rubin, the founder and first director of the Israel Missile Defence Organization, which developed the state’s first national missile defence shield, wrote in the wake of the 14 September attack on Abqaiq, (the Saudi Armco oil facility) that it was: “A brilliant feat of arms. It was precise, carefully-calibrated, devastating yet bloodless – a model of a surgical operation … the incoming threats [were not] detected by the U.S. air control systems deployed in the area, nor by U.S. satellites … This had nothing to do with flaws in the air and missile defence systems; but with the fact that they were not designed to deal with ground-hugging threats. Simply put, the Iranians outfoxed the defence systems”.

In short, the ‘apples’ of old-think; of static ‘white elephants’ out in the open and protected by big-ticket U.S. missile air defence systems, are as obsolescent as sitting-duck carriers – i.e. they have been outflanked by Iranian ‘oranges’.

Maintaining Pretence Over Reality: ‘Simply Put, the Iranians Outfoxed the U.S. Defence Systems’

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 18:04 utc | 113

james | Sep 14 2020 16:31 utc | 104

I haven't read that C. Johnstone piece yet, but unfortunately I agree with the headline. Couldn't stomach much of the D party "convention" but did watch Biden's acceptance speech: the only moment he got really animated was when he was talking about his intent to ratchet up the conflict with Russia. Red meat for what has become the D party's core constituency. I know this sadly from personal experience; younger brother who through the 70's-90's was all wild-eyed libertarian is now a firm establishment Democrat. In his eyes I am now just "a useful idiot" to socialist propaganda though I'm neither a socialist nor an idiot.

Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 16:40 utc | 105

Trump just can't help himself. His unmeasurable vanity and narcissism betrayed him into talking to Woodward as if to a friend or confidant. And Woodward for his part revealed his own moral depravity by not sharing this information with a public that could have used that information. Such as this rise to the top in the USA. So now Trump screams to his brain-dead base "They all wanted me to" jump up and down and get all panicky or some such drivel. No sir, that is not what anyone wanted. What we all wanted and would have welcomed is a leader who understood the moment beyond his own personal flaws and aspirations and to put the vast untapped potential for response that exists both in our various governments as well as the citizens themselves to good and purposeful ends. But, he is just an ass, always was an ass, and always will be an ass. Or maybe Rex Tillerson's pronouncement is more appropriate.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Sep 14 2020 18:06 utc | 114

Russia’s Skyfall missile could launch nuke strike at ANY moment as it circles globe for years, Brit spy chief warns

Posted by: Mao | Sep 14 2020 18:08 utc | 115

Thanks to karlof1 for posting @ 59 the link to Ehret's latest, which itself linked an essay by Martin Sieff, both broad ranging discussions.

I was intrigued by the parallels of rail and shipping as matched with anti-imperialism and imperialism. Seems obvious, I guess, though remembering how Chinese immigrants were laboring in horrible conditions to build the railroads, I am not sure it entirely holds up. But lots of interesting data points, (such as the creation of the fbi by Theodore Roosevelt) make the reading worthwhile. Plus I did appreciate having the Monroe Doctrine (we all have our spelling faults, especially me) quoted, and broadly speaking it is helpful to be reminded of such anchoring principles - even though imperialistic tendencies can well be claimed to be inherent just in the expansion of US territories within the continent to the detriment of its previous inhabitants, along with the breaking of treaties with those nations. This might be what you are indicating in your accompanying advice, karlof1?

Two possible interesting additions. First, the pueblo communities here in New Mexico still use as denoting their governors' status the canes furnished them by Abraham Lincoln. And second, train travel figures prominently in the Dostoievski novels; in particular, in the rather strange introductory chapters of "The Idiot" as well as in "The Brothers Karamazov" when Ivan flees his own undiscovered responsibility for the death of his father.

I think of these as my own freedom of movement is somewhat curtailed by the covid closure of the Railrunner system here in New Mexico, while the pueblos have effectively set up boundaries to protect their communities, all praise to them for so doing.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 14 2020 18:15 utc | 116

karlof1 @Sep14 17:57 #113

As has already been noted, the failure of the West in general to fight the virus is remarkable.

Accompanied by cheering for Sweden's failure while ignoring Chinese-Taiwanese-South Korean success.

Cynics will naturally see that the collective failure of the West furthers China bashing/de-coupling by adding to the voices complaining about China.

I wouldn't be surprised if other countries decide to allow their citizens to sue China like USA.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 18:17 utc | 117

Posted by: vinnieoh | Sep 14 2020 18:06 utc | 114

Yeah, that sounds about right, my working hyppothesis was they appealed to his ego. Something about
recording his Presidency for posterity ...

Agree about Woodward, his case was obvious long ago.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 18:18 utc | 118

Ambassador Bhadrakumar has an excellent piece on the new phase in Sino-Russian relation (part 1 of 3). His comments are based on a meeting between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his counterpart Wang Yi in Moscow on September 10-11, on the sidelines of the foreign minister level meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

In Bhadrakumar's words, the joint statement issued after the meting "could assume an epochal character and can be viewed as diplomatic communication that reflects what the Germans call the zeitgeist — the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history — and frame geopolitical power relations"

Twelve core areas of partnership were included in the statement, but Bhadrakumar, in this first piece, referes to the first two only: that Moscow stands "four-square behind Beijing" in opposing politicization of COVID-19 (to blame China); and Western attempts to revise the history of WW2. In the latter case, Russia and China's concerns about the resurgence of militarism both in Germany and Japan are highlighted.

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Sep 14 2020 18:20 utc | 119

Even if you prefer the original Body Snatchers, the first remake refutes the strong proposition that Hollywood remakes are always terrible. It's a touch call between them. I'm not so certain the remake of True Grit is so clearly superior, either. But it too refutes the strong claim. On the other hand, I am pretty sure the remake of The Fly is superior to the original.

The weak version, that most remakes weaken the story with pointless changes or, by not making changing make the entire movie pointless, but not all do...Actually I agree with the weak version.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 14 2020 18:33 utc | 120

Here's a report on the Xi-EU Virtual Summit that seems to have covered lots of ground. My #1 question is how does the EU think it can continue to expand its trade and other relations with China while doing all it can to destabilize China's Strategic Partner Russia? As usual, what Xi said is restated in a recap format without direct citations, which I'm now accustomed to but still don't entirely like; a few examples:

"During the virtual summit, Xi clarified China's stance on Hong Kong and Xinjiang affairs, saying that such affairs are China's right to defend its sovereignty, security and unity, and that China firmly opposes anyone and any force that sows instability, secession and unrest in China, and interferes in China's internal affairs.

"Regarding human rights, Xi stressed that there was no unified path of development and there is no best protection of human rights but only better protection, and that all countries should take care of their own matters first. China does not accept a 'preacher of human rights' and opposes double standards." [My Emphasis]

Taiwan wasn't mentioned, but the bolded policy statement clearly would include Taiwan. Here's the biggest carrot on offer. And as with the Outlaw US Empire, the EU needs China and its markets more than China needs the EU's:

"Among the significant outcomes of the summit was a reaffirmation from the leaders that they will complete negotiations for a bilateral investment treaty (BIT) by the end of the year. The deal, once signed, is expected to greatly expand each other's market and provide greater protection."

The UNGA Debates begin in 8 days.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 18:38 utc | 121

It's funny that this thread brings to mind the work of two of the greatest artists of the 20th century and how they share a connection according to Art Critic/Essayist John Berger.

These two artists are Francis Bacon and Walt Disney.

Why Francis Bacon? Because he is the chief-influencer of the filmmaker David Lynch, who, coincidentally, also made a Disney film (1999's "Straight Story").

John Berger offers a scathing condemnation of Bacon's work and how it relates to the work of Walt Disney in his essay, "Francis Bacon and Walt Disney." Indeed, watching a classic Disney film, such as 1991's 'Beauty and the Beast' will never be the same.

David Lynch has repeatedly cited Bacon as the great influencer on his work, but whereas Bacon shows his figures as literally-defaced meat-bags to show the spiritless and mindless emphasizing of the body, Lynch extrapolates this method onto his films to realize the human mind as fundamentally disjointed and dangling at all times over an abyss. Mulholland Dr. is still David Lynch's magnum opus, as acting as a profession, L.A., and Hollywood provide Lynch the greatest material for blurring the lines, as Bacon did in his Pope on Chair Painting, between dream and nightmare, reality and fiction.

From what I understand of Lynch and never having seen Dune, I'm certain that, indeed, it was a misfire for Lynch who was working under the constraints of the Hollywood-system, but also in his overconfidence to apply his method to Dune's work. He washed his hands of it because it was a mistake.

For what it's worth, Berger did lighten up on Francis Bacon later in life, in his essay "Prophet of a Pitiless World," where Berger winds through a museum, looking at Bacon's works again, and comes to the conclusion that perhaps Bacon was making a comment on how the human is fundamentally locked away from each other in our cells, without pity for another. Bacon's use of the triptych form is, in essence, locking his figures away from each other in three panels.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 14 2020 18:40 utc | 122

U.S. commander: Intel still hasn't established Russia paid Taliban 'bounties' to kill U.S. troops

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Mao | Sep 14 2020 18:48 utc | 123

@120 steven

Good comment. I agree. Kaufman did some great things in the remake. Excellent sound, great camerawork, etc.

They're both great films.

Funny you mention the Fly remake.

Vincent Price was in both the original and in the original "The Last Man on Earth," later remade into "The Omega Man" with Heston, and later "I Am Legend."

"The Omega Man" is arguably better, at least more entertaining, than the Price film. Being made in the 70s, "Omega" reminds me of Kaufman's "Body Snatchers," in that more grand scale, etc.

Seems to me the golden era for remakes (the 70s/early 80s).


Another poster mentioned "They Live." Definitely an anti-globalist, anti-consumer message that resonates in a fun sci-fi movie. Carpenter deserves a lot of credit for being a blue-collar director with a serious amount of filmmaking chops and musical ability. His soundtracks are incredible!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 14 2020 18:55 utc | 124

Der lachende Mann – Bekenntnisse eines Mörders (DDR, 1966 - ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

The Laughing Man - Confessions of a Murderer (GDR, 1996 - ENGLISH SUBTITLES)

Posing as West German journalists, East German documentary filmmakers Heynowski and Scheumann pay a visit to the notorious Nazi-turned-mercenary Siegfried “Kongo” Müller, pump him with booze, and get him to talk. Müller fought in Congo’s civil war in the 1960s, and the more Pernod he imbibes, the more fascinating this interview becomes. He asserts that blacks are no better than animals and shares his dream of enlisting in the U.S. Army to fight communism in Vietnam and beyond. He flaunts his military paraphernalia, including the Iron Cross he was awarded in Germany in 1945, and proceeds to deny his earlier statements about civil killings, the ethics of war, and the defense of Western libertarian values. This documentary tour-de-force is interspersed with pictures of Müller and his comrades proudly posing with severed skulls, and it touches on other Nazis who are active in Africa as well as American world dominance.

Posted by: Mao | Sep 14 2020 18:59 utc | 125

On this week's episode, Prof. Wolff talks about the Chinese economy. China is run by a Communist Party but describes itself as socialist, while the employer/employee structure of its enterprises is capitalist. We examine what this means for (a) its place in the world economy, (b) its place in the transition from capitalism to socialism/communism, and (c) its conflict with the US.

China: Capitalist, Socialist or What?

Posted by: Mao | Sep 14 2020 19:19 utc | 126

Mao | Sep 14 2020 17:50 utc | 111

German political parties have a tendency to latch to "neo-liberal consensus" with the result that they keep loosing votes. SDP collapsed because it was hard to distinguish from CD/CS, FDP has its decreasing niche, and this gave opening to Greens. Now Greens represent "tinted neo-liberalism". The alternative consists of AfD and Left (Linke?), Left being "atlanticized" too, but still not reliably so.

This (and similar trends elsewhere) raises big lamentation about the rise of "populism" and the need for some well subsidized united front against it -- needless to mention, "populism" rises due to Putin's baneful influence. But as long as populist combine crowd pleasing slogan with a better logic and actual common sense not visible among Atlanticists/neo-liberals, they will gain votes. It is hard to predict where it will go, because the deep structures of Atlanticists keep coopting new entries to the political arena. For that, periodic "Russian scandals" are very helpful, but will this hunting dog stay in good form forever?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 14 2020 19:45 utc | 127

Nathan Mulcahy @119--

Here's the document referred to in your comment. It's very impressive and is aimed in the illegal and immoral behavior of the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals while calling all other nations to rally round the causes espoused. It builds on and refers to several previous agreements by Russia and China, the first being the Declaration of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on increasing the role of international law dated June 25, 2016 followed by the Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on strengthening global strategic stability in the modern era, signed on June 5, 2019. The first document's language is a very tactful and diplomatic stating of principles that refrains from naming any particular nation while the second shows the growing impatience and annoyance with a nation whose illegal behaviors are described but remains unnamed:

"Russia and China note with concern the extremely dangerous actions of certain state that demolish or alter the existing architecture of arms control and non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) to suit its geopolitical and even commercial needs. In pursuit of strategic advantage in the military sphere and 'absolute security', and in order to gain unlimited capabilities of exerting military and political pressure on opponents, such state unceremoniously sabotages the mechanisms instrumental for maintaining stability."

In all three documents, you can see fists pounding tables in demanding the UN Charter be obeyed, yet by their continual pounding it's very clear that one nation doesn't want to obey and instead tries to go its own way, which legally it promised not to do. As I've argued in my writings, the Outlaw US Empire's been in violation of the UN Charter and its own Constitution since October 1945 when the former came into force; and as far as I know, not once--not even for one day--has it ever been in compliance as it's constantly been meddling in some nation's internal affairs. My demand is it be named properly in the UNGA and be continually addressed as teh Outlaw US Empire until it finally ceases its illegal behavior and joins the community of nations it currently resides outside of in reality.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 19:50 utc | 128

@psychohistorian #77 re: the stars, fire, and 'being at the bottom of a well'

HPWREN cameras on the summit of Mount Wilson.

The fire is climbing the east side of Wilson now. There was fierce activity pre-dawn (they have timelapses at that site), looked like a slew of firefighting equipment being positioned.

For those luddites who may be reading (haha), the Mount Wilson Observatory is pretty old, and significant not only for observations but as a petri dish for ideas.

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Sep 14 2020 19:59 utc | 129

Immediately after Navalny arrived in Germany, he was taken to the hospital where, immediately, blood samples were taken -from these samples it was determined that 'cholinesterase inhibitors' were used to poison him -- no'novichok' was found -- a week later a 'special military lab' found 'novichok' ... why don't the Russians press for both sets of samples to be provided to them for analysis?
Obviously there is the possibility (probability?) that one or both of the sets of samples would be counterfeited, but it would seem to be worth the effort.

Posted by: chet380 | Sep 14 2020 19:59 utc | 130

steven t johnson | Sep 14 2020 18:33 utc | 120:

“The Fly” – another example of a good remake. But, like “The Thing”, one too scary for me.

Maybe the rule (at least for sci-fi) is that most remakes are worse than the original, and the ones that aren’t are a lot scarier.

Posted by: David G | Sep 14 2020 20:05 utc | 131

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 16:40 utc | 104:

Why would he give Woodward all that time? Hoping for another impeachment? It makes no sense, and Trump is not a public spirited guy.
This piece by Michael Brenner is about exactly that. He basically sees Woodward as a kind of modern-day court portrait artist, irresistible to the egos who sit in the Oval Office. I take no position on the question, which doesn’t interest me.

Posted by: David G | Sep 14 2020 20:16 utc | 132

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 14 2020 11:27 utc | 83

I disagree. The movie can be watched without any appreciation of any "individual vs collective" stance. Wikipedia has the story of the legend here. I don't see how a known Chinese legend can be "Americanized" (other than the fact that the movie is in English, for obvious reasons. I was surprised that it wasn't in Chinese with subtitles. According to Wikipedia, there have been films on Mulan since 1927.

The movie is quite good. Go see it (or download it as I did) and decide for yourself. The Chinese appear to not like it because it doesn't get the historical details right, but that's not surprising - it's called "dramatic license" and "historical" movies rarely get the history right, mostly because historians are never sure which details are right. And besides, this is a legend based on a poem, with no real history behind it except the overall context.

Most of the complaints appear to be over the Uighur nonsense, which is irrelevant to the film and the fact that Liu Yeifei issued a statement supporting the Hong Kong government crackdown on protesters - also irrelevant to the film.

I read one complaint that echoed the notion that the character is too "feminist" - that's about it.

Bottom line: The movie is well done if you don't nit-pick every political undertone. 99% of people outside of China have no clue about this character (other than the previous animated version) anyway. We don't have to politicize every movie that comes out. By all accounts, Disney tried hard to please Chinese audiences with this movie - they just didn't succeed.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 14 2020 20:24 utc | 133

jinn | Sep 14 2020 12:33 utc | 89:

I appreciate you taking my observations on Trump as intended. Trump deserves no immunity from having his lies pointed out, but the protestations of flabbergasted outrage with each new lie wear thin after all these years.

In my book, there’s nothing worse that can be said about a person than that they are such inveterate liars and bullshitters that their words are meaningless, and pointless (or harmful) to listen to. To construe that as an “attempt to excuse Trump” is, dare I say it?, “ludicrous”.

Posted by: David G | Sep 14 2020 20:30 utc | 134

karlof1 @Sep14 19:50 #128

Powerful stuff karlof1.

There's no doubt in my mind that your demand will not be met. USA Deep State/Empire are a law unto themselves and act like it.

We're in for a rocky ride.

What troubles me is everyone that is not more skeptical.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 14 2020 20:35 utc | 135

Where is Kamala Harris? She has disappeared from the news

Posted by: Nick | Sep 14 2020 20:40 utc | 136

China: Capitalist, Socialist or What?

Posted by: Mao | Sep 14 2020 19:19 utc | 126

IMHO, economic capitalism does not have much of an alternative. The choice is between political structures fully owned by the capital, and structures that take more allowances for the needs and moods of the population. Of course, the qualitative share of "needs and moods" in decision making has a lot of gradual variations.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 14 2020 20:45 utc | 137

@ vinnieoh | Sep 14 2020 18:06 utc | 114.. thanks for sharing your personal take on this with the story involving your brother... i hope it changes for the better...

@ Nathan Mulcahy | Sep 14 2020 18:20 utc | 119.. thanks for that excellent article from M. K. BHADRAKUMAR... and it does include the link which @ karlof1 shares @ 128 as well. i encourage others to read that article to appreciate where we are today in the greater scheme of things... it's a really worthwhile overview...

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2020 20:53 utc | 138

Posted by: David G | Sep 14 2020 20:16 utc | 132

Re Brenner, thanks, like Mr. Brenner. I figured they appealed to his vanity.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 20:55 utc | 139

Re Mulan, downloaded and watched with a friend. It's shite. With removal of Mushu character, the conversation seems disjointed at times, and the comic relief missing. Save your money.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Sep 14 2020 21:01 utc | 140

Unlike Salisbury – which is some deep, convoluted shit, no matter what really happened – with Navalny, Occam’s Razor leads me to think he just fell ill, and all the rest is opportunistic improvisation by Atlanticist politicians and their spooks.

If that is so, him waking up injects an unwelcome new variable into the situation from its authors’ perspective. Just because he is a professional Putin-hater, and no doubt receptive to the Western support that stance gets him, does not necessarily mean he will be enthused about being drafted into this narrative and finding himself the plaything of Western intelligence services for the indefinite future.

The spooks may not be done improvising.

Posted by: David G | Sep 14 2020 21:02 utc | 141

Mao @126--

Thanks for your numerous comments on this thread, particularly @111.

The etymology of the word communism IMO must be examined for it entails a great many possibilities. From The Communist Manifesto we're given the following definition:

"The Communists are distinguished from the other working-class parties by this only: 1. In the national struggles of the proletarians of the different countries, they point out and bring to the front the common interests of the entire proletariat, independently of all nationality. 2. In the various stages of development which the struggle of the working class against the bourgeoisie has to pass through, they always and everywhere represent the interests of the movement as a whole.

"The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the line of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.

"The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

"The theoretical conclusions of the Communists are in no way based on ideas or principles that have been invented, or discovered, by this or that would-be universal reformer.

"They merely express, in general terms, actual relations springing from an existing class struggle, from a historical movement going on under our very eyes. The abolition of existing property relations is not at all a distinctive feature of communism."

So, we're told what it is to be a communist, but not what Communism entails. From Marx in his Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of Nov, 5, 1844, "Private Property and Communism":

"Communism as the positive transcendence of private property as human self-estrangement, and therefore as the real appropriation of the human essence by and for man; communism therefore as the complete return of man to himself as a social (i.e., human) being – a return accomplished consciously and embracing the entire wealth of previous development. This communism, as fully developed naturalism, equals humanism, and as fully developed humanism equals naturalism; it is the genuine resolution of the conflict between man and nature and between man and man – the true resolution of the strife between existence and essence, between objectification and self-confirmation, between freedom and necessity, between the individual and the species. Communism is the riddle of history solved, and it knows itself to be this solution."

Thus in Marx's words, China isn't practicing Communism although its Socialist government is solely comprised of the sort of proletarian party Marx envisioned. Ergo neither communism or communist can properly describe a government, although it might be described as Marxist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 21:18 utc | 142

@ Posted by: chet380 | Sep 14 2020 19:59 utc | 130

You don't need to counterfeit the blood samples. The lab results are just pieces of paper - all it takes is someone with a talent for Adobe InDesign with a doctor besides him/her to tell which info goes in and that's it.

Posted by: vk | Sep 14 2020 21:22 utc | 143

Skyfall fake drama by senile anti-intelligence services.

The documentation for the following should be very easy to find both by normal search, on Wikipedia, and by searching for older articles in places like the on-line journal "The Space Review" (if it's still running). I haven't bothered wasting time on looking any of it up (nor on visiting "the Sun") but any mistakes should be small because this stuff is really "old hat", widely known by anyone with any serious interest in military space, and uncontroversial.

· Sputnik was launched on an ICBM rocket (without a weapon payload of course) and ICBMs quickly improved their launch capabilities.

· It has been trivial (and fast) to turn many kinds of ICBM payloads into orbiting nuclear weapons since at least the early 1960ies. Close to that time was when the first governmental/MIC "public" outcry about orbiting nuclear weapons happened.

· "5 years" is a stupid claim, no one would ever bring them down (reentry of nuclear weapons? Yeah that's called a nuclear attack lol). They would be around "forever", the technical means to do so (orbital boost) would be found at the time one way or another no matter what (these days that's relatively simple too although not yet commercially perfected the last time I looked a few years ago). "Space" is still slow.

· There's the OST (Outer Space Treaty) that the US has been wanting to get rid of for years (at least 2-3 presidents).

· Russia and China have been trying to establish a more thorough international agreement against the militarization of space for about as long but the US has actively opposed all of it.

Apologies for not remembering all the various acronyms. There's plenty more.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 14 2020 21:31 utc | 144

vk you're over-complicating it, they only need to claim what the results are and if pushed I bet genuine lab results normally come as tables of numbers on any normal white copy paper written by any normal printer.

We're not talking fake customs documents here :)

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 14 2020 21:41 utc | 145

The Outlaw US Empire has announced a ban on products made by forced labor. So, to accomodate its ban, the Outlaw US Empire will need to stop purchasing anything made within its own network of prisons and jails where forced labor is employed. As pointed out in the joint declarations put forth by Russia and China, that action is a perfect example of what're called "double standards," and constitute yet another violation of the UN Charter and its own Constitution by the Outlaw US Empire.

Perhaps a simple statement needs to be made and then signed onto by the world's nations: Any nation employing double standards in its behavior toward other nations will be ignored and the action deemed illegal whereby no nation can be compelled or forced to obey.

I've put forth the idea that the USA doesn't belong in the organization it helped to create since it's been in continual violation of its principles since its inception. What good does it serve to have it disrupt and hinder the attempts by the other 191 nations to collectively govern the world and safeguard their security? Did the League of Nations fail because the USA wasn't a member or because its members were incapable of acting collectively to insure their security? If the Outlaw US Empire was no longer within the UN, it could then be sanctioned and contained in an attempt to get it to rectify its behavior.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 21:47 utc | 146

Chinese explains why Disney's Mulan has gone wrong. Disney simply put Mulan story into the typical Hollywood formula: super hero with super nature power, while totally misses out the Chinese historical culture context: an ordinary girl became a soldier to save her old father.

Piety to your parents and love to your family are the key Chinese culture DNA, which has been passed down from the time of Confucius (551–479 BC) and carried on till today.

Don't even want to mention its totally silly costumes and makeups that are so ahistorical, though there are plenty information (painting, books and antiques) about the dresses from that time.

Well, maybe that's exactly Disney wants: to control the explanation/narratives of other culture and history through the very lense of America/Westerners. New Orientalism.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 14 2020 21:51 utc | 147

Interesting piece on Navalny from South Front, lots on the Pevchikh woman:


Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 22:52 utc | 149

lulu @147--

I watched the first Mulan from 1998, and aside from the corny cartooning, thought it a decent movie that was generally true to Chinese culture. I can't comment on the current version nor have any need to see it. Recently the editor of Global Times lamented the weakness of China's "international voice" in the battle over Truth with the West's BigLie Media and demanded that change, but he offered no ideas about how that ought to be done. English language versions of China's major newspapers are available, but people must want to read the content, not just know it exists.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 22:57 utc | 150

Richard Steven Hack @133: "...if you don't nit-pick every political undertone...We don't have to politicize every movie that comes out."

"We" don't politicize the movies. Hollywood does that. If you want to avoid being brainwashed then you absolutely have to "nit-pick every political undertone". If you don't then the brainwashing slips into your subconsciousness "under the radar" so to speak.

Disney tried hard to infect China with the American culture-wide mental disorders that are currently burning US cities. It is encouraging to see that the efforts are failing just as badly as the American bio attack on Wuhan did.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 14 2020 23:17 utc | 151

Bemildred @149--

Ah yes, the plot thickens. Browder's involved which means MI6 and CIA are too. My question: What normal Russian develops strong desire to become a Briton? IMO, she was easily recruited being a child during the unraveling of the USSR and corruption of the Yeltsin years. The cover story's a fairy tale. But I expect Russia to have the last laugh.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 23:31 utc | 152

Posted by: lulu | Sep 14 2020 21:51 utc | 147

And a Chinese historical drama that was strictly correct about everything in the period would sell...exactly zero tickets anywhere outside China.

Sure, this could have been done with strict historical accuracy, and in an entirely realistic manner. Given that it's based on a poem to begin with, it could be treated any number of ways. The Disney treatment is one way, which is perfectly legitimate. Another way is the 1998 Chinese film described here But that's already been done. Disney had its animated version - they made the live action version to make money from the Chinese market. Anything else in terms of their motivations is pure speculation.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 14 2020 23:17 utc | 151 If you want to avoid being brainwashed then you absolutely have to "nit-pick every political undertone". If you don't then the brainwashing slips into your subconsciousness "under the radar" so to speak.

Maybe it does to you. It doesn't to me.

Now if you want to see a deliberate Hollywood attempt to influence another country, look no further than "The Interview", a movie made by Sony with assistance from the US State Department in a deliberate attempt to get North Korea's Kim assassinated. Then it backfired and Sony panicked when North Korea sued and Sony ended up getting hacked, costing the company millions to repair the damage. Mulan doesn't even remotely compare. I remind you that it was filmed, according to accounts I've read, with the cooperation of the Chinese government, using all Chinese actors and Chinese crew. It's not like it was filmed in Mexico with Chinese-Americans actors only.

I see zero evidence that Disney intended anything more than to make another "epic" movie and make a lot of money from the Chinese market. Point me to a link which says otherwise with some actual evidence, not just someone's amateur film critic opinion.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 14 2020 23:47 utc | 153

@ Bemildred | Sep 14 2020 22:52 utc | 149... thanks for the link.. good overview and lots of room for speculation too...

Posted by: james | Sep 14 2020 23:52 utc | 154

Richard Steven Hack @153: I see zero evidence that Disney intended anything more than..."

You're not supposed to see it. They don't announce when they are brainwashing you. There is no "The following scene will be an attempt to influence you to buy Coca-cola products" or "Over the next two and a half minutes we will be trying to get you to identify yourself as a victim by leading you to empathize with the this character who is being wronged by these other characters."

As lulu @147 points out "Mulan" is another silly superhero movie. By their very nature superhero movies are celebrations of the individual over the community. That this seems normal to you is itself proof that you have already internalized the brainwashing at a level of your psyche too deep for you to reach.

It's funny that movies like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" and "The Thing" have been mentioned as these, along with movies like "The Blob", are blunt and obvious anti "collective" brainwashing movies that were integral parts of the Red Scare and the anti-Soviet indoctrination of the American public. Yes, you only saw entertaining suspense/horror movies, but that is because the brainwashing was 100% effective on you. You can never see the brainwashing when it works.

By the way, I am not trying to say that you are stupid or a bad person for being brainwashed. You are a victim of the most profound psychological weapons ever devised in human history. There are very few who have escaped from the addictive and damaging effects from those weapons. Very, very few, and you are not one of them, at least not yet.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2020 0:35 utc | 155

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 14 2020 23:31 utc | 152
Posted by: james | Sep 14 2020 23:52 utc | 154

Yeah, what a cast of characters. I nominate Harrison Ford to play Navalny. At least it makes more sense than the drivel being shovelled by the German and Eurocrats.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 15 2020 0:46 utc | 156

-// Yes, you only saw entertaining suspense/horror movies, but that is because the brainwashing was 100% effective on you. You can never see the brainwashing when it works. //-

Well what makes you so damn sure that your very own pod is not ripening in the field as we speak?

I might just vote for Trump, since the only available opposition has presented us with a pod who's brain is 99.9% dead. This is not an election. It is a collective funeral. The Orange Man is very simple in a very complicated way. Which manifests a bizarre attraction.

Here's the Key: Never try to judge a man by his motives. Since you will never really know what those may be. You won't, in the end, even know what your own motives were.

Posted by: blues | Sep 15 2020 0:58 utc | 157

China has taken the first step in pushing back hard against Outlaw US Empire lies about its intentions and lies about itself. First and foremost, there is no such entity as this: "the international rules-based order." As noted above in the three agreements between China and Russia, there is only the UN Charter based order that the Outlaw US Empire has continuously violated nonstop for the last 75 years, wantonly killing millions, displacing many tens of millions, destroying governments, and looting the world for its own benefit. The actual comment was very tame when compared to that reality:

"'Many years of evidence shows that it is the US that is the fomenter of regional unrest, the violator of the international order and the destroyer of world peace,' Col. Wu Qian, spokesperson for the Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China" said.

What sort of monstrosity will inhabit the White House after Trump. Biden appears somewhat innocent, but the Clintonistas and Obamaites behind him are just as Evil as Trump. Then there's the most evil gang on the planet--The CIA. Belarus escaped its tentacles, but some innocent nation will soon be eaten given its track record.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2020 1:01 utc | 158

@155 gruff

Typical arrogance from you.

You do realize that these movies were made in the Hollywood system, don't you? The same Hollywood system that was accused of being infiltrated by the comuniss? These films were comments on the period in which they were made, not advocacy against the Reds.

Gimme a break, dude.

Paranoia marks all these films and is the dominant theme. What the films don't spoon-feed you, however, is what to be afraid of. But seeing as how you are the one indoctrinated enough to believe your own gobbledygook that everything pumped out by the west is anti-communist, I want you to know that I don't blame you, gruff.

It is hard as you get older to hold onto your own mind. Just ask Biden.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 15 2020 1:01 utc | 159

@ William Gruff | Sep 15 2020 0:35 utc | 155 with the splendid description of the brainwashing methods in the West.

Well done and accurate. I continue to allude to it but not describe it like you have, thanks.

I believe you are the originator of the Plato's Cave Displays term which I now use regularly and am surprised at how so few know the allegory. I think the allegorical extension to TV and now internet social media is right on the mark and think radical theatre should do a play depicting the Plato's Cave story with big screen displays covering their "cave wall".

I have been working with computer and networking technology for 50 years and believe that its the social organization structure that dictates what technology is developed and forced on others to use. While the "spying" aspects of TikTok are what are being discussed, what about the social organization motivation behind whatever application come out of China versus the West? We can't have China applications becoming popular in the West because it breaks down social barriers and, heaven forbid, might pass on some subliminal socialistic message........and the West can't have that.

Interesting times.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2020 1:14 utc | 160

Here you, gruff. The screenwriter for the original "Body Snatchers" was himself blacklisted for being associated with a leftist-director. The movie is actually about the conformism around the Red Scare.

Know your history!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 15 2020 1:19 utc | 161

Everything I know about Mulan I learned in this thread, and in the tweet linked by lulu @147 - which is one minute long and poignantly superb, by the way.

It occurs to me that the film is an unintended revelation about Disney more than anything, and probably a lot of Chinese see it this way. Typical studio thinking, that the protagonist had to have super powers in order to perform simply moral actions.

Perhaps, as Richard Steven Hack @153 suggests, a film about simple morality would have sold zero tickets in the west. But there was a time, friend Richard, as I'm sure you remember, when a film about simple moral action would have sold many tickets in the US, as a tale of the true super power, that of ordinary heroism, from someone who just wants to save her father, and afterwards just go home and return to being ordinary.

We had that once.

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 15 2020 1:23 utc | 162

It should be noted that the report China responded to that's the basis for my comment @158 is something that's mandated by Congress in a rather neutral manner and isn't meant to be of a hostile nature as you can see by reading the following:

"Section 1260, 'Modifications to Annual Report on Military and Security Developments Involving the
People’s Republic of China,' of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2020, Public
Law 116-92, which amends the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2000, Section
1202, Public Law 106-65, provides that the Secretary of Defense shall submit a report 'in both
classified and unclassified form, on military and security developments involving the People’s Republic
of China. The report shall address the current and probable future course of military-technological
development of the People’s Liberation Army and the tenets and probable development of Chinese
security strategy and military strategy, and of the military organizations and operational concepts
supporting such development over the next 20 years. The report shall also address United States-China engagement and cooperation on security matters during the period covered by the report,
including through United States-China military-to-military contacts, and the United States strategy for
such engagement and cooperation in the future.'"

I'm just going to highlight one small aspect at the report's outset. In the first of these reports done 20 years ago, it was noted China aimed at becoming a "strong, modernized, unified, and wealthy nation." Yet those attributes were immediately deemed to be "great power aspirations." Italy is an example of a strong, modernized, unified, and wealthy nation as are dozens of others; yet none of them would ever be considered seeking to become a "great power." Indeed, the report acknowledges China's goal for 2021 is to become a "moderately prosperous society" which is part of China's goal to eliminate poverty--a word that appears nowhere within the report. These are just bits gleaned from the Preface. The overall report is 200 pages. There's an Executive Summary. I hope more will read this than the few that have already.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2020 1:32 utc | 163

David G @Sep14 20:30 #134

I appreciate you taking my observations on Trump as intended.

I appreciate your returning to clarify your observations.

Trump deserves no immunity from having his lies pointed out, but the protestations of flabbergasted outrage with each new lie wear thin after all these years.

I don't sense that anyone (including me) is "flabbergasted". And some lies deserve more outrage than others. With nearly 200,000 Americans dead, Trump's lies to the American people, coupled with his inaction and inept action are very deserving of outrage.

By minimizing that outrage via a shrug you would provide him - and the Deep State that he works for - with the immunity you claim they shouldn't have!

Let's NEVER, EVER be acclimated to betrayal by the asshats that govern us.

In my book, there’s nothing worse that can be said about a person than that they are such inveterate liars and bullshitters that their words are meaningless, and pointless (or harmful) to listen to.

Here you are saying that we should dismiss Trump's lies that the virus was "like a bad cold" because he always lies.

But this is an exaggeration (a type of lie). Presidents don't generally lie outright. Instead they dissemble, distract, tell half-truths, pay lip-service, etc. The Deep State and their Presidential front men actually want to reduce lies to a minimum so that people believe that the democratic system is responsive to their needs. So Presidents try to be consistent with what they promised and when they aren't an attempt is made to fit the action(s) into what was promised or explain it as some quirk of nation by the sitting President.

We've seen this kind of manipulation of the truth with all Deep State controlled Presidents like Clinton, GW Bush, Obama, and now Trump. It's possible to ascertain some degree of truth if armed with an understanding of the game that is played and the context of the President's statement/action.

To construe that as an “attempt to excuse Trump” is, dare I say it?, “ludicrous”.

I've now explained why it was NOT "ludicrous".

Trump has reinforced the TRUTH of his knowledge that the virus was a serious threat to the nation by claiming that he lied to the American people to ensure calm. He didn't attack Woodward, or deflect to scare-mongering aides, or laugh it off with a quip like "Oh, I was just grabbing Woodward's pussy". He fully acknowledge the lie.

And as I've previously pointed out, despite his KNOWING how bad the virus was Trump was NOT acting in manner consistent with the seriousness of the threat. Trump no action to really counter that threat. Shutting down China-US air traffic was useless because of connecting flights via third countries. And USA was not checking people for symptoms once travellers arrived in USA.

So Trump's claim that he lied to keep people calm is another lie. Another lie that we should not accept. For any reason.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 15 2020 1:41 utc | 164

This is interesting, considering the rabid looniness going on with Russia:

The European side was encouraged by the signing of the agreement on GI, welcomed China relaxing market access restrictions, expanding opening up, pledging to concluding the EU-China investment agreement negotiations within this year to inject new impetus into EU-China relations.

The European side is willing to strengthen cooperation with China in international organizations, promote anti-pandemic international cooperation, maintain free trade, and promote the economic recovery in Europe, China as well as the world at an early date.

On the human rights issue, the European side admitted its problems and expressed the hope to conduct dialogue with China based on the principles of equality and mutual respect to enhance mutual understanding and handle their differences properly.

Xi co-hosts China-Germany-EU leaders' meeting via video link

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 15 2020 1:47 utc | 165

William Gruff @ 155

Interestingly for me the, the only movie from that era that gave me that understated red scare vibe, was "Invaders from Mars" .. with its lumbering drones, and that vaguely asiatic-faced tentacled telepath in the glass orb, running the whole show.

That thing DID kinda resemble Putin, now that I think about it ...

I had quite the phobia towards sand for a few years as well. Those Damn Russki invaders!

Posted by: polecat | Sep 15 2020 3:47 utc | 166

Below is a Xinhuanet posting about a UNGA resolution regarding Covid-19 cooperation....guess who didn't support it?

UNGA's resolution on COVID-19 shows international consensus: spokesperson

The take away quote

BEIJING, Sept. 14 (Xinhua) -- The United Nations General Assembly has adopted a resolution, voted for by an overwhelming majority of 169 countries, to encourage international cooperation in response to COVID-19, and this result shows the international community's consensus view that unity and cooperation are the only way to overcome the virus, a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson said Monday.

Spokesperson Wang Wenbin made the remarks at a press briefing when asked to comment on the resolution, which was only opposed by two countries last week, one of them the United States.

While the UN is somewhat toothless it is currently the only forum where international issues get discussed and sometimes acted on. If the world splits int two axis then I expect to see an organization, similar to the goals of the UN set up by the China/Russia axis. I would be surprised to see any public facing organization on the empire side.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2020 4:58 utc | 167

psychohistorian @167--

The Chinese spokesperson said further:

""We hope the U.S. side will face up to the voice of justice in the international community, correct its erroneous practices of spreading rumors and smearing, shifting responsibilities and selfishness, stop unilateral sanctions that violate international law and basic norms governing international relations, and be a supporter of the international community's unity against the epidemic, not a stumbling block,' Wang said." [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2020 5:29 utc | 168

Below is a short Xinhuanet posting about China/EU meeting

BRUSSELS, Sept. 14 (Xinhua) -- Top European Union (EU) officials commented positively on their video meeting with Chinese leadership on Monday, which reaffirmed the commitment to maintain common interests and address differences.

The China-Germany-EU leaders' meeting was co-hosted by Chinese President Xi Jinping, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, European Council President Charles Michel and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen via video link.

At a press conference after the meeting, Michel said that they had discussed topics including climate change, economic and trade issues, international affairs and human rights, as well as COVID-19 and economic recovery.

"Europe needs to be a player, not a playing field. Today's meeting represents another step forward in forging a more balanced relationship with China," Michel said.

"We made it clear where we stand, where we agree, and where we disagree ... But we are ready to engage, ready to cooperate where we can, and ready to roll up our sleeves to find concrete solutions ... We want a relationship with China that is based on reciprocity, responsibility, and basic fairness," said Michel.

Merkel, whose country currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, also emphasized the principles of reciprocity and fair competition.

"We are different societies. We have different social systems, but we acknowledge the importance of multilateralism and the importance of rules," she said.

She named the agreement on geographical indications (GI) as "a practical step when it comes to the economic and trade issues." The official signing of the China-EU agreement on GI was announced before the meeting.

Merkel said during the press briefing that both the EU and China welcome the Paris Agreement on climate change, and that the EU has particular interest in the emission trading system which China is creating.

On the EU-China investment agreement, EU officials emphasized that more work is needed on the issue of rebalancing market access and on sustainable development. The two sides reaffirmed their objective of closing the remaining gaps before the end of the year.

Von der Leyen, who also attended the press briefing, emphasized the discussion on COVID-19 pandemic.

"We discussed the need to continue to act in global solidarity and cooperation on this matter. It is very important to engage in the global framework, not only to find a vaccine, but also to make it accessible to low and medium income countries," said the European Commission president.

What is the EU saying to Trump and Pompeo these days?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 15 2020 6:03 utc | 169

Disney has been Deep State since the beginning.Walt Disney and Werner von Braun were close friends,the science popularizer and the nazi-scientist that did not get America to the moon,but made it look like that it was possible,backed by mental health disturbing series like Twilight Zone.I would not bother to go and watch any Disney film.There are so many good chinese big productions in historical drama that really reflect the chinese mindset,and with honorable beautiful girls in it.I buy them new for one euro in those cheap trash shops.With all this confucianism that interest me a lot,I still can't figure out ,how confucianism made happen,or let happen slavery and buying and selling excedent females from a family...with all this elder care and ancestors cult.

Posted by: willie | Sep 15 2020 6:51 utc | 170

I still can't figure out ,how confucianism made happen,or let happen slavery and buying and selling excedent females from a family...with all this elder care and ancestors cult.

Posted by: willie | Sep 15 2020 6:51 utc | 170

The grief of patriarchal value bias in political and societal structure is real back in the day although mostly forgotten by now. Yes women used to be viewed as wifes and only wifes that only values is to take care her children and home and commonly viewed to be disgrace when they couldn't fulfill those aspects and as such made the women of older times unable to (or frowned upon) when they try to pursue the same degree of education, profession, or political status of their men counterparts.

Alternately you can see how Western civilization regard women in high esteem, honour and glorified their 'royal' queen while viewing political bargain using their daughters in political marriage as common.

Posted by: Lucci | Sep 15 2020 7:16 utc | 171

Helmer's latest on the unraveling great Navalny Poison Plot...

"The Navalny poison plot spread to Paris on Monday, compelling President Emmanuel Macron to telephone President Vladimir Putin to explain what a French chemical warfare laboratory has just done with evidence sent from Berlin by German FM Heiko Maas.

Macron told Putin he agreed 'German specialists must send to Russia the biomaterials and an official statement on the test results of the samples collected from Alexei Navalny, and must start working together with Russian doctors.' Macron also agreed 'to contribute towards determining the parameters of possible interaction with European partners.'

This wording of the Kremlin communique meant that Macron and Putin decided to discuss with German Chancellor Angela Merkel how the Chancellor can extricate herself from the Novichok fabrications they now believe were initiated by Navalny's staff and a British agent..."

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 15 2020 8:15 utc | 172

blues @157: "Well what makes you so damn sure that your very own pod is not ripening in the field as we speak?"

Because it has already ripened and I have been replaced. I have been absorbed into the collective. The individualist me is gone and all that is left is the communist me that has been brainwashed by the evil Soviet mind rays. I'm the one hiding in the closet and under the bed of decent and god-fearing American snowflake individuals, trying to lure them to the dark side of drably uniform community-mindedness. I'm the one that Joseph McCarthy warned you of.

Or something like that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2020 10:24 utc | 173

NemesisCalling @161: "The movie is actually about the conformism around the Red Scare."

Nonsense. That is just the New York Langley Times trying to inject ambiguity into a topic over which there is none. The screenwriter certainly hid traces of subversive themes in the original, but then that is why a remake was necessary. The director, on the other hand, was an outspoken anti-communist and a very conspicuous champion of the individual against the community ("Dirty Harry", anyone?).

Stop trying to dodge the fact that you too have been brainwashed by these media products by defending them and arguing they are not what they obviously are.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2020 10:38 utc | 174

polecat @166: "the only movie from that era that gave me that understated red scare vibe, was "Invaders from Mars" .. with its lumbering drones, and that vaguely asiatic-faced tentacled telepath in the glass orb, running the whole show."

Different teams had different levels of success at hiding the narratives they were trying to plant in consumers' minds, and hiding the narrative is important when there is a chance that the consumers will resist or reject it. The blatant racism in "Flash Gordon" is painful to try and sit through, for example, but it came out in a period when there was lots of other racist anti-Chinese media to build up people's tolerance to that poison. That said, we might be returning to a period where people once again can tolerate toxic, jingoistic racism concentrated to that level.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 15 2020 10:56 utc | 175

William Gruff @ 174
I’v been following this conversation, and finding your making a lot of sense!
It must take a brave person to come to the defence of communism in America, esp post McCarthy. By the time ‘they’ finish there character assassinations such a conversation enevitable leads to talking at cross purposes and different definitions.
I am no communist and no expert on the subject, I have nothing against a fair moral profit for those that deserve it.
I hate the way the imoral capitalist lie and distroy any healthy opposition party. Communism, UK Labour, Green Party and yes I would include BLM.
USA have always been about properganda lies from its very conseption. Hollywood did it on an industrial scale, leading to a population devoid of any concept of reality. Keep the good work up.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 15 2020 11:07 utc | 176

Hollywood = CIA

Hollywood has always been upfront, tells you that it is all dreams. Any functional Ministry of Truth will do what it takes to live in your dreams. No surprise that RSH loves him some Disney. The rest of you, shame.

Any who believe Hollywood screenwriters ever spent a day in prison is just lost.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 15 2020 11:26 utc | 177

Surely these are the Hollywood film-making trends people ought to be scratching their heads over:

a) Disney remaking films like "Cinderella" and "The Lion King" as live-action films, sometimes with the same actor performing the same role in the live-action remake as s/he did in the original animated version;

b) "Total Recall" being remade in 2012 when the 1990 film starring Arnold Schwarzenegger must have still been fresh in most people's minds;

c) endless dark and gritty iterations of Batman and the Batman universe, with repetition and banality the biggest enemies that all denizens of Gotham City, be they on the side of angels or of demons, face;

d) an increased reliance on foreign-born and trained directors as well as black actors from Britain (think Chiwetel Ejiofor, Idris Elba) and Nigeria over locally trained equivalents.

Undoubtedly the trend towards relying on foreigners to make and star in films must be due to a lack of investment in film-making schools and acting schools attached to colleges and universities in the US. The other trends are all based on the profit-seeking motive and need to get big returns on huge investments for shareholders which give rise to a conservative, risk-averse attitude that abhors eccentricity and quirky ideas and agendas in film scripts at a time when cinemas are competing with television, games and other amusements for the consumer dollar.

Posted by: Jen | Sep 15 2020 11:51 utc | 178

@ Posted by: willie | Sep 15 2020 6:51 utc | 170

Confucianism is a medieval ideology that still influences China, North Korea, South Korea and Japan societies in the form of a fossilized moral code. Of the three, South Korea is, by far, the most Confucian nation.

But to claim China is Confucian (or, for that matter, the Koreas and Japan) is kind of the same as claiming the Western countries as Christian: you can do that, but it wouldn't make any useful, geopolitical sense.

China's true ideology is socialism. It is what truly vertebrates its society since 1949.


@ Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 15 2020 8:15 utc | 172

This is just the kabuki. Russia already knows Germany doesn't have the evidence (therefore, that it will never send the "biomaterials" to them) and France already knows Russia knows Germany doesn't have the evidence (because Germany really didn't send anything to any French laboratory, plus the German government has already told him).

France is just preparing its "plausible deniability" case (at the cost of Germany) while Russia is just building up its case so they can illustrate to their own people it is on the right side of History. Germany is also trying to soften the blow it will inevitably receive, as the claim of a French laboratory detecting "novichok" was probably a condition they imposed to France, so they can share the blame when the whole case comes out.

Posted by: vk | Sep 15 2020 12:08 utc | 179


IHMO, Confucianism is embedded deeply in Chinese culture along with Daoism and Buddhism in more than 1500 years. There is no capitalism or socialsim in the western sense for Chinese until the 20th century. I'd not think Confucianism is a medieval ideology. Confucianism in and of itself is not an ideology per the western terminology. It's much more comprehensive than that. I don't think there is a word or term in English that can precisely describe Confucianism and Daoism. Similarly, a lot of people think Buddhism is a religion. That is a misconception. In fact, Buddhism is a way to live one's life, following Buddha's teaching. Grieved or someone else correctly noted this here before. Chinese, as a people, is very practical. It does not necessarily care what -ism it is. From traditional Chinese's perspective, a government or regime is by heaven's mandate (in a western term) and tasked to pursue the people's wellness as a whole. Therefore, as long as a methodology works, Chinese would use it according to its circumstances.

Not sure if you saw the term that refers to East Asia as Confucianism culture region, which includes China, Korea, Japan, and even Vietnam (at least the northern part).

Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 15 2020 13:05 utc | 180

@179 VK

Germany *could* actually have 'evidence' though. (and may even be honest about it for all they know)

Consider previous statements that they detected an N agent on his clothes and a water bottle.

Unless he got the substance there by using his poisoned tea as a swimming pool and russian medics are in the habit of dressing up coma patients for transport along with their favourite water bottle, those items had to be delivered separately... probably by whoever carried them on the plane.

Posted by: S.O. | Sep 15 2020 13:14 utc | 181

@ William Gruff | Sep 15 2020 0:35 utc | 155

Succumbing to temptation: Where's the beef?

Your's a perfectly good argument why twitter, facebook and youtube should be avoided at all cost (of social inclusion). Almost all the 'product' produced relies upon opinion, emotion and subconscious persuasion and presented at a speed that makes reflection impossible. Only fools dare enter those domains for information but each can pick their poison as they wish.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 15 2020 13:36 utc | 182

@ Posted by: LuRenJia | Sep 15 2020 13:05 utc | 180

I know Confucius didn't live in the Chinese medieval era, but I'm not familiar with how the Chinese divide their History. Whatever the case, Confucianism is very old and today's interpretation of it is certainly completely different than its original one.

It's the same story with Christianism, really. Westerners just think they are Christians - but they don't know that the original Christianity was completely different, in every aspect - from sociopolitical status to theological theory. Nowadays, Christianism is just an ossified form in the shape of a scant moral-ethic code Westerners adopt more or less unconsciously; the Christian rituals people do today have more of a meditation or socialization value - they are almost completely undecipherable to them, their true meaning being known just for a selected elite of theologians.

People who coin themselves "religious" today do not have any idea of what religion really meant in their original context (Antiquity). In Antiquity, the gods (or God) really existed; people really believed they would lose a war or be the victims of a natural catastrophe if they didn't sacrifice to the gods, they really believed they would have an afterlife (Christians). They didn't have a concept of "culture" (which is a 19th Century invention) - the gods really existed, believing you in them or not. Nowadays, what people call "religion" is just an institutionalized form of self-help (with the exceptions of the theocracies, like Iran, where they're literally Law).

About Buddhism: it's grey area, but most modern theologians classify Buddhism as a religion (albeit an atheist one). They key here is the existence of temples and a clerical order (monks), as well as some typical religious practices such as peregrinations to significant places and the existence of holy-like texts (i.e. texts that transmit a theological - not scientific - message). Put in other ways, Buddhism is a religion disguised as a philosophic school.


@ Posted by: S.O. | Sep 15 2020 13:14 utc | 181

That would imply "novichok" isn't nearly as deadly as the British claimed. It would also imply Germany has access to the poison (so they could plant it CSI-style).

Navalny wasn't poisoned. We know that with an 100% certainty because the Russian doctors in Omsk tested him for all relevant poisons and they came all negative.

Posted by: vk | Sep 15 2020 14:00 utc | 183

Jen 178#

Funny that you mention the Batman series.A1s a elevenyear-old I liked very much the series in pastel colours ans quite cartoonlike that was on television in '66 and 67 in Europe.Much later I thought it must have been a real psy-ops program,like Twilight Zone was too.The colours that became popular one year later with the LSD-wave,the crazy criminal characters,etc.The fistfights were very well choreographed actually.
A bit later we got to see the mind expanding bullshit-talk of the Twilight Zone plots,which were real mystification,compared to Patrick MacGoohan's "The prisoner" a series that points already to World governance by freemasonry and had very inventive plots.
If you ask me a series that really well describes the American problem of how criminals get along with ruling class mobsters,and how expoitation of the american masses has been on the winning side all along,start watching "Deadwood" the best series I ever saw and nobody ever talks about it.The interesting thing is that while in the first episodes you see the main characters committing disgusting crimes,later on you cannot but sympathize with them versus even more criminal types like the George Hearst character.Oh,practically all characters did really exist in that time and place,which was land of Indian tribes,shortly after Gen.Custers massacre in a region that would be contested between North Dakota and Wyoming if I recall correctly.Wild Bill Hickock,Calamity Jane, the limey Al Swearengen,Goldfinder Georg Hearst,and so many others...

Posted by: willie | Sep 15 2020 14:04 utc | 184

Navalny admits he wasn't poisoned; plans to go back to Russia and keep "business as usual":

Navalny plans to return to Russia, NYT reports

Russian blogger Alexei Navalny is not planning to stay in Germany forever and wants to return to Russia once he recovers in order to continue his mission, a senior German security official told The New York Times.

"He’s not planning to go into exile in Germany," the official said, according to the newspaper. "He wants to go home to Russia and he wants to continue his mission."

Navalny, who spoke to a German prosecutor, refused to cooperate with a Russian request to jointly investigate the case with Germany, the security official said.

Posted by: vk | Sep 15 2020 14:05 utc | 185

Posted by: vk | Sep 14 2020 11:57 utc | 85


ARM was not British owned.
The Japanese investment fund Softbank owned it, and sold it, to Nvidia.

The point is that ARM chips are the core component of smartphones, as you know.

ARM complied to the US will to exclude Huawei. If it was still a British company, it would whatever plays the US agenda.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 15 2020 15:54 utc | 186

Posted by: vk | Sep 14 2020 11:57 utc | 85


ARM was not British owned.
The Japanese investment fund Softbank owned it, and sold it, to Nvidia.

The point is that ARM chips are the core component of smartphones, as you know.

ARM complied to the US will to exclude Huawei. If it was still a British company, it would whatever plays the US agenda.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 15 2020 15:54 utc | 187

vk @ 185

Your linked sentence is a deception. At least as far as what you write and the Tass article to which you link, Navalny has not admitted what you claim he has.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 15 2020 15:57 utc | 188

@VK, who said :
the Christian rituals people do today have more of a meditation or socialization value - they are almost completely undecipherable to them, their true meaning being known just for a selected elite of theologians.

Well, the Christian universe is absolutely alien to you.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 15 2020 16:05 utc | 189

@174 gruff

You are doing nothing more than calling into question western art. Just because you don't understand it, too. But you can't see that it begs not to be understood as an item to be consumed, but rather to be internalized where it can transform the workings of spirit within.

There is nothing morally evil about western art, the contrary to what Marxists like Gruff will have you believe. Everything that isn't on their team or spells out their motivation in clear pro-Marxists ways is to be loudly condemned. But secretly, their vitriol spewed at this art and these artists are indeed masking a deep jealousy because, as Karlof1 alluded to eadlier in this thread, communist powers lament their inability to produce such works. They can not. They lack the workings of spirit.

Perhaps it has never dawned on these countries and, indeed, these posters here that perhaps this ability to produce art is an utterly alien concept to easterners who if given all the time and resources in the world, locked away in a room to produce, would produce nothing of import to be judged as art in the western tradition.

What is even more pathetic is that the elite in these "communist" countries are given this same time and endless resources to simply imitate the great musicians of the west. These homes are little concentration camps where they are held down and forced to duplicate these timeless works, because their elite status has some disturbing form of appreciation for these masters in the west. The result: tonally, the music reproduced is spot on; but the message of what the music represents is lost in translation. Mozart has become synonomous with the cruel upbringing of many children of the elite. What a deranged transformation the music takes enroute to its eastern destination.

Mr. Gruff, why do you hate western art? It is most definitely your reading of Marx. But you should realize by categorically denying western art as impractical for your method of spreading the "good news" about Marxism, you lock yourself away from it, entirely. Perhaps you know this. Perhaps you are ok with it. Perhaps you don't see how you very well could be the pod person you project upon lovers of cinema such as myself.

For me, I will side with Camus on this subject:

For myself, I cannot live without my art. But I have never placed it above everything. If, on the other hand, I need it, it is because it cannot be separated from my fellow men, and it allows me to live, such as I am, on one level with them. It is a means of stirring the greatest number of people by offering them a privileged picture of common joys and sufferings. It obliges the artist not to keep himself apart; it subjects him to the most humble and the most universal truth. And often he who has chosen the fate of the artist because he felt himself to be different soon realizes that he can maintain neither his art nor his difference unless he admits that he is like the others. The artist forges himself to the others, midway between the beauty he cannot do without and the community he cannot tear himself away from. That is why true artists scorn nothing: they are obliged to understand rather than to judge. And if they have to take sides in this world, they can perhaps side only with that society in which, according to Nietzsche's great words, not the judge but the creator will rule, whether he be a worker or an intellectual.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 15 2020 16:06 utc | 190

vk @ 183 concerning Christianity: "... their true meaning being known just for a selected elite of theologians."

Not true. Many western Christians, but particularly also Christians in the Eastern Orthodox tradition, are well schooled in Christianity from its earliest development forward. Ordinary Christians, like me.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 15 2020 16:06 utc | 191

@ Posted by: juliania | Sep 15 2020 15:57 utc | 188

If he was convinced someone in Russia tried to kill him (with a very expensive method), then he wouldn't even think about ever returning to Russia.

Navalny is a liberal. Liberalism is all about individualism. Martyrdom is an alien concept to them.

Trust me: Navalny doesn't pretend to die - he is willing to sacrifice the lives of the others, but not his. He's returning to Russia because, at the least, he knows for a fact he's statistically safer in Russian territory than in German territory.


@ Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 15 2020 15:54 utc | 186

I know that. My argument remains valid, and the Chinese agree with me:

US stance may end Arm’s neutrality after Nvidia deal

Not gonna enter into the meanders of corporate structure, but I'll try not to oversimplify my arguments in the future.

Posted by: vk | Sep 15 2020 16:08 utc | 192

i'm with gruff... so much of hollywood, disney and etc - are propaganda tools.. that many americans are too brain dead to see it, doesn't change any of it...

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2020 16:28 utc | 193

@ Posted by: juliania | Sep 15 2020 16:06 utc | 191

They know the superficial meaning of the rituals, but not their theological meaning, e.g. they know they're eating and drinking the flesh and blood of Christ, but they don't know why.

Posted by: vk | Sep 15 2020 16:49 utc | 194


I never "alluded" any such nonsense!!

LuRenJia @180--

IMO, all Asian "Ways" such as the Tao are pathways offered for harmonious living within Nature of which humans are a part, not separate from or above Nature as Western Metaphysics tries to do--Humans aren't the only creatures created in god's image; ALL creatures are. And therein lies the Metaphysical Divide between Eastern and Western ways of thought. As Climate Change is proving, humans are incapable of dominating Nature. Rather, Nature will alter its ways to deal with human behavior just as the Daisy World model predicted, which in time went from Gaia Hypothesis to became the foundational basis for Earth Systems Theory.

Perhaps the most evident way China's leaders have embraced the Tao can be seen in the big shift taken in their development strategy to listen to what Nature is telling them about what not to do--an approach the West still refuses to take thanks to its hubristic notion of being above or outside of Nature. And of course, the West's haughtiness decrees the East has nothing to teach it since the East is backwards and refuses to embrace the One True God.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 15 2020 16:55 utc | 195

@ 195 karlof1... this too will change...

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2020 16:58 utc | 196

psychohistorian@ 167, I was interested in further details about the UN General Assembly Resolution, could not find (and was blocked at the UN's site itself). I did see that two countries, Hungary and Ukraine, abstained, but am still curious what other country besides the US voted nay. Great Britain? I would think it would be a country involved in the "race" for a vaccine.

Some negativity on the vaccine front that I have seen deals with the fact that other corona viruses aren't able to be vaccinated against. The pro factor on that however is that enough immune response is generated by the body's own cells that it is possible to have a more benign response to later versions of the virus. Unknown on that as yet. And I'll repeat a new theory that masks help in becoming a 'poor man's vaccine' by only ever allowing small amounts of virus to penetrate, which assists the body in being able to recognize the virus, which is the first step to defending against it. So, mask!!!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 15 2020 16:59 utc | 197

@195 karlof1

Yes, you did, Karlof1.

You posted an article from a CCP outlet that addressed their concerns about their own ability to produce propaganda on the same level as the west. I don't care to locate the exact post because I have been doing too much heavy-lifting already in deflecting Gruff's projecting accusations and vitriol.

I extrapolated from Gruff's thesis that all western cinema and much of its art is that dastardly creation of CIA and anti-communisses propaganda amd I took your CCP dude's comment and related it to their innate inability to produce western art.

The problem is is they preemptively decry all western art as anti-communiss, which is a clever strategy of someone who knows they are ill-endowed with the snuff, as it were.

Think of a jealous high-school girl talking shit and spreading rumors about a more attractive girl in the school restroom. Essentially what the CCP is doing here.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 15 2020 17:13 utc | 198

i definitely wouldn't put all art in the same boat as hollywood and disney! there is a real difference.... to suggest they are one and the same is obfuscating...

Posted by: james | Sep 15 2020 17:16 utc | 199

karlof1 @ 195:

"...Humans aren't the only creatures created in god's image; ALL creatures are. And therein lies the Metaphysical Divide between Eastern and Western ways of thought. As Climate Change is proving, humans are incapable of dominating Nature.

I'll just add that you are leaving out Eastern Christianity in this simplification of Biblical exegesis. In two respects (and some western Christianity as well, I should add.) The image of God category is unique to man in that only humans are capable of extending their understanding and love (and remediating actions!) towards all the world's creatures as God is, (He being their Creator, who has given man the task of being the caretaker of earth's creatures)-- and not that they 'dominate' Nature, because humans are part of Nature and as you observe cannot dominate it by arming themselves against it, since that is arming ourselves against ourselves. I don't see even the most western forms of Christianity to be advocating war against Nature; they simply don't know what they are doing and don't believe the science. But even they must now be having second thoughts.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 15 2020 17:17 utc | 200

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