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September 06, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-71

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> Facebook has conducted takedowns against communications firms in Israel, Canada, India, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates — and now, the United States — for engaging in coordinated inauthentic behavior. <

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Other issues:

RIP David Graeber:

Censorship:

Covid-19:

> Deaths could be reduced by 30% if more Americans wore face masks as epidemiologists have advised, but mask-wearing is declining, the university’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation said. <

Diplomacy?

> A statement released by Trump did not include any details about what the agreement would entail beyond a normalization of ties between Kosovo and Israel and Serbia’s commitment to opening a commercial office in Jerusalem this month and to move its embassy to Jerusalem next year. <
> Acctually, there is no Kosovo-Serbia agreement. Hoti signed one. Vucic signed another one. The two are slightly different. Wonder if these signatures constitute an international agreement? <
> The moment #Serbia's president Vucic realized that he will have to move the Serbian embassy to Jerusalem in exchange of #Israel recognizing Kosovo as an independent state. <
> So Vučić did not read the agreement before signing it? <
> video <

Lunacy:

Incompetence:


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Posted by: Russ | Sep 7 2020 11:27 utc | 98

Superbugs or antibiotic resistant bacteria is not what you think it is. It is indeed dangerous that some culture of them to grow within your body because it is antibiotic resistant however it can't really grow and thrive outside your body in the environment as their antibiotic resistant property make them much more complex bacteria that their growth and multiplication are hampered in comparison to normal bacteria and as a result would be almost always outcompeted by normal bacteria in the environment.

Basically should we be concerned that they exist and thrive within our body ? Yes but should we be concerned that they shared their genetics property into the environments ? Not really.

Posted by: Lucci | Sep 7 2020 12:01 utc | 101

Posted by: Lucci | Sep 7 2020 12:01 utc | 101

Yes, antibiotic resistance is mainly a problem in the places where antibiotics are used with wild abandon: hospitals, other "health care" for profit settings, and feedlots. But it is stupid the way they use antibiotics, very, very stupid, and they know it too. For instance they use them for viruses and as placebos. What can it hurt, right?

Generally the resistant microbes of interest have high mortality too, they kill fast and messy, which also would work against them out in the real world. By contrast COVID leaves a lot of infectees in good shape so they can spread it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 7 2020 12:43 utc | 102

farm ecologist @ 69

“My understanding is that advances in medicine and therapeutics led to increased population growth.”

That is completely wrong. That has been sold to you by the medical profession. The big change was clean water. Clean supply of water for drinking and washing, effective removal of waste. It was your plumber, not the doctor. From late 19th century the prosperous wanted cleanliness and were clever enough to understand it would not happen unless they granted benefits to the great unwashed. After WW2 the UN and it’s agencies brought clean water to over 99% of the world population. It was considered both right and cost effective to do these things.

Now we are ruled by gospel of privatization. Infrastructure is crumbling. We would rather fight over who pays than fix the leak. Ability of government to do anything at all is fading. And of course we are just more crowded than we were.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 7 2020 13:02 utc | 103

Lucci 101

"their antibiotic resistant property make them much more complex bacteria that their growth and multiplication are hampered in comparison to normal bacteria and as a result would be almost always outcompeted by normal bacteria in the environment."

Normal bacteria are part of the natural diversity which is scoured by poison regimes, leaving favorable terrain for every kind of pathogen and vermin. That's why the chosen species of industrial agriculture, besides the destructive-invasive crops themselves, include insecticide-resistant insect pests, herbicide-resistant weeds and pathogenic bacteria such as salmonella and botulins, especially in antibiotic-resistant forms.

That's part of the goal of poisonism, to override and destroy all evolutionary diversity, processes and safeguards, precisely in order that pathogens will have an open road with no competition. The system's deliberate persistence with actions which always bring that result proves it's part of their intent.

https://attempter.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/the-dicamba-crisis-part-four-the-strict-intent-of-the-destructive-system/

Posted by: Russ | Sep 7 2020 13:05 utc | 104

Anyone disagree nukes were used in Tianjin, China ?

Posted by: snake | Sep 7 2020 13:12 utc | 105

Ah yes, child exploitation in war, THE noblest action that defines true heroes of our times.

Posted by: J W | Sep 7 2020 13:23 utc | 106

He is risen:

Navalny Removed From Artificial Coma, Responds to Speech Stimuli, German Medics Say

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 7 2020 13:41 utc | 107

James, Gruff, etc.

I watched the documentary last night, the soundtrack is atrocious. It is not about population control, it is about what a scam the green energy and recycling programs are.

They literally spent less than 2 minutes talking about over population, and even then it was three different individuals who were speaking about some local environmental issues who said something close to, "Face it, there are too many people on the planet."

gruff "It is not really honest for the movie to spend an hour and a half arguing that there are too many people and then pretending that they have no solution. The solution is implied, even if the nasty parts that it would require are not discussed."

That is not a fair assessment of the documentary. And who says that a "culling" is the only way to control the population. Could we not, through birth control, keep the population from continuing to expand?

Over consumption is the problem. If we were to get our consumption under control, then the number of people here would be less of a problem.

Posted by: visak | Sep 7 2020 13:44 utc | 108

Schmoe @ 44

Taiwan export $83.6 billion to mainland China, almost twice of its export to US at $44.5B, accounts for almost 40% of its export if including its export to HK in 2019.

Taiwan's trade surplus mainly comes from mainland China ($35.4 billion) and HK ($26.1B) in 2019.

About 50%+ of Taiwan's export to mainland China is semiconductor related.

Beijing let Taiwan suck the blood out of mainland China for the sake of future reunification and out of economic necessity (esp. in 80s and 90s.) till Tsai ing-wen comes to power willingly acting as US' anti-China lapdog.

Posted by: lulu | Sep 7 2020 14:16 utc | 109

ASML, Huawei and Qualcomm may be caught in the crossfire as SMIC runs risk of US blacklist in escalating tech war


In 60s and 70s, China was not that far behind US in semiconductor research and initial manufacturing. Thanks to Deng and his followers' believing of "buying-is-cheaper-than-making" , China opened its market and the Taiwanese, American and late Korean chip makers flushed the Chinese manufacturers out of business by lowing price with their economy of scale. Once having consolidated their monopoly position in China, these same Taiwanese/ American/Korean companies start to double/triple their prices in China than in other markets.

This money-making strategy functions till now: whenever local Chinese chip makers are able to manufacture the same chips, these Taiwanese/ American/Korean companies would immediately drop down their orbitant prices.

The restriction/forbidden imposed by FUKUS on sale of ASML machinery is another reason that Chinese semiconductor manufacturers are not able to manufacture the latest 7nm chip. Just recently, ASML has to stop the shipment of a production line (not the latest 7nm technology) due to US pressure.

So much for "free market competition"!

Posted by: lulu | Sep 7 2020 14:27 utc | 110

orbitant -> exorbitant

Posted by: lulu | Sep 7 2020 14:31 utc | 111

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 7 2020 13:41 utc | 107

Russian hospitals "can't detect traces of poison in Navalny's blood or urine" because they are equipped with the latest Kuwaiti baby incubators.

Posted by: J W | Sep 7 2020 14:35 utc | 112

Iraq War supporter wants a tripling of US population to ‘beat the Chinese.’ But does the world really need 1 BILLION Americans?

Tokyo Olympics 'will take place with or without COVID,' senior IOC official says

You see, all that Green demagoguery only applies to Third World countries. First World countries can do whatever the fuck they want.

Posted by: vk | Sep 7 2020 14:49 utc | 113

This is the Royal Navy in 1939: https://i.imgur.com/4HnenAJ.jpg

and this is the US airforce in 2020:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/6013682-1578425776.jpg

Posted by: passerby | Sep 7 2020 14:51 utc | 114

China’s top diplomat seeks to split Europe and US

But then the sub-headline states:

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s damage control tour in Europe underscored Beijing’s rejection of a New Cold War

It takes a special kind of demented propagandist to transform an anti-2nd Cold War diplomatic effort into a divide et impera operation.

Posted by: vk | Sep 7 2020 14:52 utc | 115

fyi Excellent deconstruction of Navalny nonsense by John Helmer

Brain Poisoning By Russian Nerve Agent - Alexei Navalny Infects German Chancellery

http://johnhelmer.net/brain-poisoning-by-russian-nerve-agent-alexei-navalny-infects-german-chancellery/

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 7 2020 14:55 utc | 116

I've got it! Merkel wants to help Trump get re-elected too, she's helping Putin re-elect Trump under the table, see? By pretending to cancel the pipeline. Finally his bullying works, and on a woman too. It's gonna be great.

Then, once Trump wins, they finish the pipeline. That's why she is going along with this Novichok "military grade" baloney.

What does "military grade" mean anyway, besides 3X expensive with oversize batteries?

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 7 2020 15:16 utc | 117

@karlof1 | 65

Read that article last week and was surprised by it.
The links he makes between Navalny and NS II are tentative at best and he seems to be accommodating a 'headline' rather than proving a relationship between the two. Also, his article seemed very similar to that in the Atlantic which came out a couple of days before, if I remember rightly.
Here is a very different take:

https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/nord-stream-2-dispute-becoming-ever-shriller

"Despite ever more American sanctions levied against Nord Stream 2 the construction of the subsea gas pipeline from Vyborg to Greifswald continues clandestinely with approximately 160-km left to build"

Is Merkel 'managing' the Novalny story to buy time, and make sure it does not get out of control?

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 7 2020 15:29 utc | 118

imo | Sep 7 2020 11:56 utc | 100:

Now, now. It’s not polite to interrupt everyone’s germ freakout with boring old facts.

Posted by: David G | Sep 7 2020 15:30 utc | 119

This is very interesting:

Cut Chinese firms in eye of the storm a break: Global Times editorial

The US is hinting that investigations will be carried out over whether to place SMIC on the entity list. This is the latest threat from the US against Chinese companies. SMIC was founded in 2000 with a complicated background of its shareholders, some of whom are from foreign countries. US government is obviously going out of their way to find fault by questioning the company's ties with the Chinese military. So far, the US has placed over 300 Chinese entities on its blacklist, and it evidently intends to use the list more widely to crack down on Chinese high-tech firms. It is thus not surprising that the US would pick on SMIC as a new target.

We've been talking about Huawei, TikTok and now SMIC. But we're forgetting something very important: where are the SOEs in this story? After all, the SOEs are the backbone of the CCP and modern China: they are part of the government by definition. Sure, they may already be in the 300-list (probably, the first to be added, maybe even before Trump), but there's no outcry about them. The only reason I can think of is the SOEs, of course, don't depend on the USA to operate and prosper, but this is just the reverse of the coin.

SMIC is a private company. As the bold part of the aforementioned quote indicates, there are even foreign stockholders in its foundation. This is very relevant information, because it hints about the USA's strategy against China in the Trumpian era.

My guess is Trump is specifically targeting private Chinese companies because it has a multi-pronged benefit for the USA:

1) they represent potential loot for the American companies (see TikTok);

2) they are evidently more susceptible to crumble to American pressure (as they are profit motivated, and the USA is by far the largest consumer market in the world); and

3) most important of them all: it kinda forces the Chinese capitalist class to "choose" between the two worlds - the liberal (capitalist, USA-oriented) and the socialist (China).

Point 3 is the most relevant from a Trumpian point of view because it is a revival (or continuation/expansion) of the old tried and successful strategy the USA has been using since the Monroe Doctrine, which is to co-opt the local (non-American) elites to their financial-legal architecture in order to make them structurally dependent on the USA to exist as a class. To put it in simpler terms: Trump is seeking to convert the Chinese capitalist class into a comprador elite, so they can sell off their productive assets to American capitalists and adopt a more vampiric stance in China ("re-Thirdworldization" of China; the conversion of China into a second India or a giant Bangladesh).

If correct, then the Trumpian (American) objective here is to make private capital in China non-viable, forcing the CCP to go full-USSR, thus isolating it economically and politically, thus leading it to collapse from within.

Posted by: vk | Sep 7 2020 15:31 utc | 120

J W @Sep7 14:35 #112

LOL!

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 7 2020 15:34 utc | 121

lulu @110

"In 60s and 70s, China was not that far behind US in semiconductor research and initial manufacturing. Thanks to Deng and his followers' believing of "buying-is-cheaper-than-making" , China opened its market and the Taiwanese, American and late Korean chip makers flushed the Chinese manufacturers out of business by lowing price with their economy of scale. Once having consolidated their monopoly position in China, these same Taiwanese/ American/Korean companies start to double/triple their prices in China than in other markets.

This money-making strategy functions till now: whenever local Chinese chip makers are able to manufacture the same chips, these Taiwanese/ American/Korean companies would immediately drop down their orbitant prices."

Thanks for the response. I was not aware of the predatory pricing practices of foreign entities, but regardless, shame on CCP for leaving China at the mercy of foreign entities for the basic building block of all technological endeavors.

Posted by: Schmoe | Sep 7 2020 15:48 utc | 122

Bemildred | Sep 7 2020 15:16 utc | 117:

What does "military grade" mean anyway, besides 3X expensive with oversize batteries?
If I recall correctly, in the Skripal aftermath somebody noted (feel free to insert as many “alleged”s in the following as you please) that the lab finding that the sample taken from the door handle was “military grade” Novichok was actually a giveaway – and possibly someone’s intentional flare – that the whole thing was phony:

“Military grade” in this context meant extremely pure, but a sample taken from a house’s outside door handle, where it had been out in the environment for many hours, would be contaminated with all sorts of stuff. So finding the sample to be so pure meant it was not really collected from the scene at all.

Posted by: David G | Sep 7 2020 15:53 utc | 123

@ Posted by: donkeytale | Sep 7 2020 16:06 utc | 125

It's been a while since I read so many 180° level lies in such a short space. Like, the lies you spit out are not even debatable: they are 100% wrong and I'm not rounding up.

Go search for "Market Socialism with Chinese Characteristics", then we can talk.

Posted by: vk | Sep 7 2020 16:11 utc | 124

@ oldhippie | Sep 6 2020 20:51 utc | 45.. thanks for your additional comments .. i am going to get to putting more insulation in the roof...

@ Tom | Sep 6 2020 21:09 utc | 47... thank you for answer william gruffs question on culling.. i totally agree with you...

@ Richard Steven Hack | Sep 7 2020 2:34 utc | 73.. sorry if i mischaracterized you with the inclusion on the 'cull' comments from william gruff... a quote from you - "Turn humans rational and any "over-population" goes away in a couple generations." and how do you suppose to do that richard?? clearly humans are not only rational, but also irrational.... i think this why your idea ain't going to work.... see @ toms comments @ 47....

@ farm ecologist | Sep 7 2020 2:20 utc | 69... @ Russ | Sep 7 2020 5:24 utc | 81 answered the question very well.. thank you russ! thanks also for your other comments including the one to greived @ 82...

@ visak | Sep 7 2020 13:44 utc | 108.. thanks for taking a look at that documentary... i agree with the gist of your comments, except the one about birth control.. i doubt that is going to happen thanks the churches and etc. etc.. i go with @ 47 comment by tom... nature is going to deal with what we are doing to planet earth...

thanks for the comments everyone...

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2020 16:13 utc | 125

Thank you, Grieved @ 66. You touch on everything that I wanted to express,having only just seen your response to the excerpt I posted. And the 'eastern' in eastern christianity is an important description because in acknowledging the ultimate unknowability and vastness of universe existence, one cannot ever say that we understand what went into its beginnings, its ongoing, and its final resolution or turning when life itself is such a tiny component of the whole. (Infinitely tiny; infinitely essential!) I wrote in response to it myself at the blog that the essay of which this was the first part reminded me of the Old Testament Genesis story, "In the beginning..." and is with the help of science what we moderns would make of the story. Always, as science reveals, subject to change. Because it isn't science; it is the story. The same story, only told a different way, ever subject to a new telling of it. About who we are, where we have been, where we are going. And like Saint-Exupery, we each ourselves answer the ultimate question of whether the sheep has eaten the rose or not, and how we answer that is the non-scientific heart of the matter.

Buddhism is very close; my children, some of them, have that religion. And yes, the dear man I quoted wouldn't mind at all being in the category of 'the lost'. We all have our stories, and they are more complex than the general considerations would assess them to be. That was all I meant to convey, that if we find such elements of our nature unessential or beneath contempt we do the work of the minders, the power lords, the greedy, because we diminish ourselves beyond being lost. We simply disappear. We don't count. Lost we may feel,in the vastness of the universe, but science deals with the infinitesmal as well as the enormous, and so must we. Man does not live by bread alone, but bread also is the stuff of life.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 7 2020 16:30 utc | 126

Posted by: vk | Sep 7 2020 15:31 utc | 121


If correct, then the Trumpian (American) objective here is to make private capital in China non-viable, forcing the CCP to go full-USSR, thus isolating it economically and politically, thus leading it to collapse from within.

This is not likely to work and more likely to backfire for a number of reasons:

- China observed and learned from the USSRs inward turning and the resulting collapse due to economic isolation. It is very aware of this risk and refused to fall into that trap during the very period when it was most vulnerable to it (60s, 70s). There is no indication that it's regressing.

- Too much of the Chinese economy depends on private capital for China to ever embrace a USSR-like decoupling from the global economy, in fact:

- Chinas trend has been to open up to private global capital at an increasing rate in response to US attempts to isolate it. The BRI is one of the more concrete manifestations of this attempt to integrate into the global economy and form a net
with which to attract private capital towards state purposes ...

So that might very well be the Trump administrations intent but it seems clear (to me) that the results are going to be far from what they expected.

In fact, my prediction is that it will be the polar opposite of what the Trump regime envisions for China:

- China will make its economy more attractive to competitors of the US, offering advantages which overcome the costs of US trade sanctions and blacklisting. American capital will be faced with the prospect of losing markets to European and other global competitors.

- Private US capital will find ways to circumvent US restrictions on trade with, through and from China in order to take advantage of these opportunities. Resulting in capital flow networks which are much harder for the US authorities to find and regulate. Perhaps in further offshoring of American companies to 'havens' where they may conduct business with China in relative safety.

- In response, the US will make even more use of the only 'lever' it really has: More military intervention (against states not willing to decouple from the Chinese opportunity), more colour revolutions and an increasingly shrill and all pervasive media information war.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 7 2020 16:59 utc | 127

Virgile, 42, Tom Luongo piece about the elections is good...

A False Flag Is Biden’s Only Chance to Win

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/09/04/a-false-flag-is-bidens-only-chance-to-win/

It might even happen - the False Flag, I mean, not the Biden win which is another matter.

The US Political System is crumbling or collapsing or morphing or whatever. The Duopoly and the ersatz ‘Democracy’ manipulators are finding that holding up a credible public face is by now extremely difficult .. e.g. Dems ally with anti-Trump Repubs.. - oh! all right-thinking folks, cool! ..

In a large part due to Trump, not him as a person, but because an outsider saw an oppo to get elected, took it without hesitation, and succeeded.

DT ran as a Republican as Killary was a sure-to-lose candidate. A pol. newbie, he quashed the other Repub. candidates in their internal org. (none were up to much..) and *imposed himself* and looked a sure bet to defeat Killary. She, the posturing, nasty, sneering, entitled, wife of an ex-President, disliked overall, and nominated to a post by O-droner to keep the old guard on board, the DNC ppl sort of ‘in line’, couldn’t compete.

Thereby, DT exposed the terminal weakness of both the Rs and the Ds, one of the reasons he was elected. The D candidates (Sanders couldn’t qualify as too ‘left’ for rapacious donors, aka playing his sheep-dog role..) were all basically nobodies. Warren, a ‘fake’ Pocahontas, a house flipper no less (while hypocritically ‘defending’ the middle class), Buttigig, Wang with his UBI, etc. Just for show.. but the show is fiction and doesn’t work out in real life.

Follows, now, bi-partisan efforts to get rid of DT. Yet, the PTB - deep state - Corporations - aren’t presenting, offering, any alternative. Everyone is waiting to see where the chips will fall.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 7 2020 17:15 utc | 128

@vk 121 (and Schmoe etc)

This will be an interesting case to watch. I think maybe the public vs private categorization is not too important.

SMIC is a strategically important company, like Huawei or Alibaba or Tencent, or like Microsoft or Google or Intel or Lockheed or even Ford/GM. Even if truly 100% privately owned, any of them would be bailed out by national resources if the need arose.

On the other hand the US aim of getting Chinese capitalists to integrate into the US financial system and pull away from Chinese national interests would have a valid logic to it. But it seems to be contradicted by opposing efforts to keep Chinese business from investing in US technological firms - or simply accessing US markets like with TikTok. So that's not going to work too well already. And then there is the irreparable disrespect shown to Meng Wanzhou. You would never see that happening to the family of a top owner of a European conglomerate - something I'm sure is not lost on Chinese capitalists.

Posted by: ptb | Sep 7 2020 17:24 utc | 129

Noirette #131

Everyone waiting to see where the chips will fall - or the switch will come into play.

Farce and lost opportunity once again in the USA.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 7 2020 17:38 utc | 130

Posted by: vk | Sep 7 2020 15:31 utc | 121

Trump must be smoking some really good sh*t because they would need to destroy the majority of the Chinese economy since the bulk of their GDP growth, employment, and investment are all generated from the private sector.

China's private sector contributes greatly to economic growth: federation leader

The sector now contributes more than 60 percent of China's GDP growth and brings in over half of China's fiscal revenue, according to Gao Yunlong, head of the All-China Federation of Industry and Commerce.

Meanwhile, more than 60 percent of China's fixed-asset investment and outbound investment has been made by private investors, Gao told a press conference on the sidelines of the first session of the 13th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference.

The private economy is also playing a stronger role in China's job creation and innovation drive by providing over 80 percent of jobs and contributing more than 70 percent of technological innovation and new products in the country, according to Gao.

He said that last year, more than 90 percent of new jobs were created by private businesses.

At the end of 2017, there were 65.79 million individually-owned businesses and 27.26 million private enterprises in China, which employed some 340 million people.

Posted by: One Too Many | Sep 7 2020 17:40 utc | 131

@Arch Bungle 130
Too much of the Chinese economy depends on private capital for China to ever embrace a USSR-like decoupling from the global economy, in fact

Firstly, regarding decoupling, it would not be China's choice. For the time being, US can force this outcome, although even now the cost of stopping Chinese imports would be devastating to the US but survivable to China, so they have to limit the targets they pick carefully. The costs of "decoupling" would be even worse for third countries who are more cost sensitive for imports than China.

Secondly, regarding private capital, big difference here between US/Euro capital and Chinese capital. The value on US/EU investment to China is decreasing fast, as more and more capital goods are now more cost effective to source domestically anyway, and raw materials are abundant from Belt-Road nations (and Australia is pretty much a hostage in that market, they'll do whatever US wants, except stop the mines). What EU/US origin investment still does, besides high end tools from Japan and Germany, and chips from Taiwan and Korea, is it de facto provides market access to the investing countries. But it seems the path we are of is to a state of affairs where nationalistic concerns overcome that. China wil be fine. EU wil be fine. US will be fine, except will lose ground vs EU because severe export imbalance. Third countries will have to get creative to avoid picking sides, other than maybe JP/Korea who might actually profit from this scenario. (maybe ASEAN too if they get organized).

Posted by: ptb | Sep 7 2020 17:52 utc | 132

If we put into perspective everything the Trump administration has done to increase the pressure on China all of them have backfired in spectacular fashion.

Trump’s China-bashing gives US a bloody nose

US keeps doubling and tripling down expecting a different result each and every time. It's almost comical if it wasn't so expensive for everyone involved.

Posted by: One Too Many | Sep 7 2020 18:27 utc | 133

@135 just some musings to add to your post

The EU, as I see it, has been a supranational agency to regulate, or curtail, nationalism in the form of protectionist policies that protect the European country's own nationals.

This is why as the EU wanes in popularity, you will see far less trade with China as these nationalist tendencies are reinvorgated. Europeans are snobs and generally hate the crap-fluff products that Americans have swallowed up from China in the last 40 years. But it remains to be seen as to how the influx of developing world "refugees" to Europe will impact the speed of this nationalism as the poor generally tend to want cheap shit and have no dog in the fight as to if a product says "Made in China" or "Made in Italy."

And, of course, the horrific birthrates of Northern Europeans in the last fifty years will not help this reinvorgation, but we shall see.

One can extrapolate from this, too, why the Catholic is soooooo important, being such prolific breeders, as to shaping their political worldviews to a more globalist-friendly approach and how Pope Francis garners as much suspicion as he does from "traditionalist" Catholics. It is they who notice the erosion in the church away from its great fathers, such as St. Thomas Acquinas, who warned of a nation's guests overstaying their welcome and how giving them the boot doesn't have to conflict with Catholic teachings.

IMO, China will hurt far more than what many here think will be the case. This is why China is also making serious inroads into the Taiwan and Hong Kong situation as to get their ducks in a row before the coming years of great anemic economic growth. They want assets fully under their control to weather this generational sea change.

In a sense, China will be severely hampered by forced isolation, but not nearly as bad their NoKo neighbors, traditionally.

I believe that China will be able to weather this storm and develop internally the means to prosper in spite of this fall from their exceptional-mercantilist perch.

However, this change to a more self-sufficient economy would mean that the natural religions of China would reemerge as potent political forces in its country and would severely weaken the hold of the CCP.

Would they allow this to happen, the CCP? Or will the scare of relinquishing power drive them to war before such a vacating of this power-position?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 7 2020 18:31 utc | 134

James @127

I checked the Planet of the Humans link you shared. Void of any positive prospects making it quite depressing. Almost as if the research made filtered any positive out (Is there a Part II? There should be!). Just as an example: one of the standing issues mentioned is related with power storage in order to offset the variability of renewable energy sources, as if there was no solution, I was surprised why Pumped Storage was not mentioned. Think about it: any generated extra energy above requirements is put to use pumping water to a reservoir, later you let gravity do the rest on demand when variability is bellow requirements. This is at most college grade simplicity, in fact I always wondered why simple elevated drinking water stations would not have a turbine for energy generation since I was a kid! (barflies here, have now and then, evoked this solution)

All those "renewables" mentioned were examples of an unsustainable application of the technology still dependent on fossil and nature dilapidation, but those are the solutions employed by the same profit driven interests preventing a correct and intelligent use of those technologies, doing all they can to squeeze the last drop of profit from fossil sources. It figures no?

Realizing this, it is not a matter of humans not being rational enough. Actually we should qualify this more as a trend than a set condition. Humans in general evolve and are more than creative enough to solve their problems, it is just that we do have to solve capitalism first, it is the single most important system preventing human emancipation.

Posted by: Vasco da Gama | Sep 7 2020 18:47 utc | 135

@ 138 vasco... thanks for your comments! i like the idea of a part 2 movie to follow this up.. i think it could offer some hope too, but as you and william gruff note - capitalism as it presently stands continues to get in the way... i thought the movie was fairly articulate on this point too using the koch brothers, bloomberg and etc as example of billionaires who continue to practice keeping up appearances while offering very little of substance as i see it..

this pumped storage i had never heard of before! that sounds like a good idea and hopefully it is adopted on a larger scale if it is as good as it sounds..

i continue to believe we have to find a way to consume less... over population of the planet makes this more challenging.. i don't know that there are any easy answers and i do tend to view it like @ tom 47 - mother nature is going to fix or deal with what we are unwilling, or unable to work out... i like your sense of optimism vasco! people are certainly imaginative and creative.. one would hope we can resolve the outstanding issues facing our planet with human ingenuity as well... thanks for saying all that! if they did a version 2, i think they could make it shorter and more positive... i don't believe it is all doom and gloom.. i did watch 15 minutes or so of the video 'planet of the humans debunked'.... while it made some relevant criticisms of the movie, it still didn't to my mind in what i saw of it, dismiss the importance of our looking more closely at what is being passed off as environmentally friendly - biomass = burning logs, tearing down forests and etc -as being one of the big ones for me... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2020 19:44 utc | 136

@137 NemesisCalling

Yes, I mostly agree on EU. Many of the countries have internal reasons for keeping China at arms length, especially strong exporters led by Germany. However this is more of an issue for imports to EU vs exports from EU.

One thing though is that in the commercial competition, it's not exclusively cheap crap for WalMart or Tesco anymore (though that remains as a powerful base).

As for a future with reduced trade with the west... Firstly I have a hard time imagining Japan or Korea pulling the plug, and they would of course be overjoyed if US/EU exporters to China walked away.

Secondly, and this is a little more long term, but Belt-Road is a big piece of the puzzle. Besides displaying IMF etc, it accelerates the development of 'new' markets for industrial exporters, China first of all. Countries with undeveloped potential and population of a billion or so are already on board, and since they can't afford to pay full price for Siemens or Mitsubishi or Nokia, the Chinese substitute has almost free run for the time being, competing with the Koreans perhaps.

Posted by: ptb | Sep 7 2020 20:29 utc | 137

james | Sep 7 2020 19:44 utc | 139

"the importance of our looking more closely at what is being passed off as environmentally friendly - biomass = burning logs, tearing down forests and etc -as being one of the big ones for me..."

From the below:

Some call it a loophole. If so it’s a loophole wide enough to push a dead planet through. But it’s really no accident.

There’s a clear and simple fact. Real conservation, especially in the face of the climate crisis, means ceasing from destroying natural forests, leaving them alone, and letting them resume their ranges. Anything other than this is a fraud, and especially a climate fraud. The “biomass” industry is an atrocity. The economic civilization destroys forests in order to burn wood pellets for industrial electricity and heat. This is enshrined within all existing international climate agreements. The climate industry accelerates deforestation and greenhouse emissions under the rubric of “the climate”. The flag of the Earth flies from the tree-burning factory. Arbeit Macht Frei.

https://attempter.wordpress.com/2019/02/09/the-purpose-of-paris/

https://attempter.wordpress.com/2019/10/01/the-tree-human-carbon-war/

Posted by: Russ | Sep 7 2020 20:30 utc | 138

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Posted by: ptb | Sep 7 2020 20:31 utc | 139

@ Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 7 2020 18:31 utc | 137

Thay may happen someday, but, so far, the numbers all point to a continued and sustained Western decline (including here Japan and SK) and a continued and sustained Chinese expansion.

Posted by: vk | Sep 7 2020 21:06 utc | 140

Even the bunya nuts are laughing down under.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 7 2020 21:19 utc | 141

In the ongoing anti-Netanyahu protest which are taking place in Israel for 6 months already,of which we have not has any news in the media, it seems that the ultra-orthodox, who have lost their peaceful stance, have joined the protesters, and the police is even being kicked off...

https://twitter.com/veselchak555/status/1302346162901483525

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 7 2020 21:32 utc | 142

Posted by: james | Sep 7 2020 16:13 utc | 127 "Turn humans rational and any "over-population" goes away in a couple generations." and how do you suppose to do that richard?? clearly humans are not only rational, but also irrational.... i think this why your idea ain't going to work....

Believe I've also pointed out that, to quote Percival Rose again, "That ain't gonna happen." So now I get to turn it around on you - how are *you* going to get the human race to not over-populate? It cuts both ways.

In reality, I don't need humans to become rational or reduce population. I just need enough technological development to turn *some* humans (preferably including me) into Transhumans - and it should be obvious that there are people besides me who do want that. And once that happens, everything proceeds nicely - because unlike the Star Trek fictional universe, superior intelligence does win out over human irrationality. There will be no Captain Kirk to come to humanity's rescue.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 7 2020 23:52 utc | 143

Vk theorises that the divide et impera strategy precludes revolution in Brazil and India.
VK's theorising is big picture with broad brush strokes for the details. How does revolutionary theory explain the existence and popularity of the Communist Party of India, the Communist Party of India (Marxist), the Communist Party of India (Marxist Leninist) and the Communist Party of India (Maoist)? Admittedly, only the CPI(Maoist) is engaged in a sporadic, long term insurgency (the Naxalites). The other CPIs are an established part of Indian polity. There is no problem with hammer and sickle emblazoned red flags and posters of Marx and Lenin and Stalin all over the place at election time. Mind you- the preference is for the Russian version.
My own home away from home is the southern Indian state of Kerala, which had it's first Communist state government in 1965 and has one again today-the CPI(Marxist). Keralans (the Malayali- from the local language Malayalam) are articulate, multi lingual, exhibit refreshing common sense, are good conversationalists. The birthrate is European standard low, and the school curriculum is rigorously "classical". Little kids are serious students. The material comforts of the family that myself and my husband have known for just over 20 years (poor and Muslim) have improved considerably. They now have a new, subsidised 1 bedroom third floor apartment with laundry, washing machine, bright kitchen with large fridge and overhead fan. It suffices nicely for 4 people. Keralans are wise and lucky Indians to recognise the long term benefits of a Communist state government.
And Communist Kerala is known as "God's Own Country" because there are so many religions represented there. CPI governance does not provoke "communalism", which is the scourge of India.

Posted by: Australian lady | Sep 8 2020 1:59 utc | 144

@ 141 russ... thanks russ... that is your website as i recall.. i will read them.. it is only a matter of time when they do the same here on vancouver island.. they probably have already started converting forests into ''environmentally friendly'' biomass... what a bullshit con this all is... i got that from that movie - planet of the humans..

Posted by: james | Sep 8 2020 3:30 utc | 145

@ 146 richard steven hack... thanks for the ongoing conversation and i would like to thank you for not posting as much as you did a month back! i enjoy the conversations and appreciate your trying to engage me.... i am happy to answer! as i said, i don't really have an answer other then to point to what @47 tom said - mother nature is going to deal with it if we don't.. that is really how i see it... i am not fully up on the star trek lingo.. my take remains the same - i do not believe that irrationality can be gotten rid of.. in fact in some regards i view it as a type of creative fountain for a lot of cutting edge ideas - like sci fi, or what star trek might have been at the time... as irrational as this might sound to you - i believe their is a lot of inherent value in irrationality! i don't put it in the same category as stupidity fwiw...

Posted by: james | Sep 8 2020 3:35 utc | 146

@ Posted by: Australian lady | Sep 8 2020 1:59 utc | 147

I was talking about victorious revolutions, not revolutions in general or revolution attempts.

That Marx is the greatest thinker of all time I do not dispute, I agree with you: he's the first (and,so far, only) universal philosopher, influencing all the relevant peoples in the world.

Posted by: vk | Sep 8 2020 3:57 utc | 147

mask-wearing is declining, the university’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation said

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2020 4:38 utc | 148

If this South Korean news cast is any indicator, there seems to have been an awareness at least 1 year ago that China would eclipse Korea technologically in this domain in the very near future:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpw-OgLeu_I

(Arirang News)

There are hundreds of these mainstream reports going back quite some years, all seem to point to a general awareness in Asia of China's efforts to achieve semiconductor dominance, and anticipation that China might inevitably come to dominate this market and not merely in the distant future ...


CGTN, 2018 - awareness of the potential impact to the China semiconductor tech base by the trade war:

https://youtu.be/4peTH-zSu9A

An interesting suggestion that mastery of FPGA implementation might be all that's required to clear the way to production of more advanced computing chips.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 8 2020 5:08 utc | 149

Yes, few lies/delusions have been so decisively debunked and routed than the idiocy of trying to control pests through sterilization methods. It's like a cosmic joke on me - here I've spent over ten years writing and taking action against poison-based agriculture and in favor of agroecology with its emphasis on pest control thru biodiversity balance, and here we are afflicted with the same stupidity in an even more extreme form, trying to control a virus long since at loose in the environment with the most rigid, violent, forcible segregation and sterilization methods. Hand sterilizers, which we've long known help drive antibiotic resistance, weaken our immune systems and render us MORE vulnerable to every kind of pathogen - what a microcosm of the whole wingnut derangement.

Throughout the city, people say it isn't pretty,
Everyone agrees, and everyone feels glad;
Doctored brains celebrate and everyone waves their chains...
It's a pity they're all mad.

The Institute of Mental Health
Spontaneously killed itself.
Ashes to ashes
And dust to dust:
My chains began to rust
As the Institute was burning, burning, burning.

The Institute Of Mental Health, Burning

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 8 2020 5:31 utc | 150

So as to disperse a bit the fogg some of us are submitted by liberals here and there disguised under the labels of "libertarians", "anarcocapitalists" and the like, and also to explain, as there was some controversy at other thread, why Germany continues being an occupied country, interesting thread...

https://twitter.com/Herbert_Keg/status/1303039921045860353

The history of the two Germanies, after WWII, is reduced to the existence of an "unjust" state, the GDR, its "Stasi" and the "Wall". Nothing is known of the misdeeds of the other Germany, despite the fact that it was abuzz with Nazis, many of them within the liberal FDP party. THREAD:

Today liberalism is in "fashion" under the camouflage of "libertarians," "anarcho-capitalists," and similar crap. In the FRG, the liberals of the FDP (and the CDU) were, almost practically all, unconditional admirers of Nazism and militated in the ranks of Hitler's Party.

This infamous chapter in the history of the FDR has been kept quiet or tried to justify itself, contrary to the massive campaigns of fabricated falsehoods against the GDR. It doesn't matter if the liberals in the FDP and the conservatives in the CDU had a fervent Nazi past.

The first president of Germany after the war, Theodor Heuss, belonged to the FDP (today he is honorary president). Heuss personally passed Hitler's Empowerment Act, giving the German dictator full powers, while KPD members were persecuted and tortured.

Theodor Heuss has had his Nazi file whitewashed because he promoted "reconciliation with the Jews", but above all because Heuss carried out espionage work for the United States through the CIC (the North American Military Counterintelligence Corps).

Hans-Dietrich Genscher, another honorary president of the FDP, was also a member of the Nazi Party. Genscher, being Foreign Minister with Helmut Kohl, was the one who planned and directed the "flight" of GDR citizens in the summer of 1989, along with Hungary and Austria.

Special mention should be made of Werner Naumann, secretary and successor to Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels. Naumann maintained close ties with the FDP and, together with another FDP Nazi, Ernst Achenbach, conspired to carry out a coup in the FDR.

Naumann's direct collaborator in the 1953 coup attempt (or Nazi self-coup), the liberal Ernst Achenbach, had been a diplomat in Joachim Von Ribbentrop's Foreign Ministry. Achenbach and Naumann had worked together at the German embassy in occupied Paris.

At an FDP conference in Munich in September 1951, the party demanded the release of all "alleged" Nazi war criminals and welcomed the establishment of the "Association of German Soldiers", made up of former members of the Wehrmacht and the SS.

It would be endless to detail the list of Nazis in the FDP. I leave 2 highlights: the war criminal Theodor Oberländer, Hitler's intelligence officer and later Minister in the FDR, and Walter Scheel, active member of the Nazi Party and later president of the FDR (1974-1979).

After the German reunification in 1990, a death sentence against Oberländer (in absentia) handed down against him in the GDR was overturned, and in 1998 the Cologne prosecutor's office stopped investigations against Oberländer for his involvement in mass killings in Lviv and the Caucasus.


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 8 2020 10:58 utc | 151

Will Japan's era of revolving-door leadership return? Some in the U.S. are worried

Sub-headline:

Abe's longevity enabled him to pursue consistent foreign policies even at the risk of eliciting a strong public backlash, according to observers.

Ooh, now longevity of a head of state is good!

Lukashenko! Xi! Putin! Did you hear that?

P.S.: why the US's opinion is relevant here? Didn't know Japan was still occupied...

Posted by: vk | Sep 8 2020 11:33 utc | 152

The corporal language by VuÇic in the WH Oval Office speaks volumes on that he did not know what really he was signing...It is obvious how he turns his eyes up in the direction where the voice is coming from as soon as he heras that on that "he will be moving the embassy to Jerusalem in July", how he turns the page to test that it is that what is written there, how he looks at the official responsible for handing hi mthe document, how he swallows salive with difficulty and how he almost faint of a sudden fever and thus instinctively brings his hand to the forehead, when he then beacmes aware he is in public and tries to disimulate a bit by displacing his hair...All is obvious also for Pence and Grenell...

https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1303278337045954560

But all is not lost yet, VuÇic could also act like the Us with its agreements, pass the signature for that part and claim, honestly, he has not read the document, and claim the agreement nul...That could cost him some political capital, but that way he will not harm his country further, and even may be that could have a better political result, since people can forgive errors or clear negligences, but not full selling outs...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 8 2020 12:20 utc | 153

@Posted by: vk | Sep 8 2020 11:33 utc | 152

The US, and for that matter the rest of Europe, did not have any problem either with the longevity of Franco´s regime, moreover, they, the US, came to prop it up by impossing the Borbon king and with him they came US military bases to Spain...

Human rights and "democracy" were not a worry neither in the Us nor in Europe eith respect Spain during 40 years....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 8 2020 12:25 utc | 154

A TOPIC OF MAJOR INTEREST
Today is the start of the Manchester bombing inquiry !
Partly held in secret (smells fishy)
20 died.
It took 40 Mins for the first ambulance to arrive !
Four hours for the fire brigade to arrive.
The ‘terrorist ‘ was known, flagged up and tracked by the US.
It also happened before a general election, along with two attacks leading to the election of the ‘hard line’ Tory’s
I call ——- false flag bs.

Worth following !

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 8 2020 12:30 utc | 155

@Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 8 2020 12:30 utc | 155

No need to try to find three feet to the cat, this explains it all...

https://twitter.com/AceofSp63736304/status/1303163354299555840

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 8 2020 12:37 utc | 156

@Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 8 2020 12:37 utc | 156

Why Turkey feels so pushed with neo-ottoman impulses to go conquesting the Mediterranean, and nobody, at NATO, stops it...

On whose behalf is Turkey making its conquests? One would guess that on the same one it is doing in Syria...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 8 2020 12:40 utc | 157

It has been pretty silent regarding Palestinian and Israeli issue so it's pretty clear whose agenda Erdogan aligned himself into. That said we haven't able to hear opposition within Turkey that were aligned with neoliberal EU nor there seem clear destabilization within Turkey as of late so i can understand where his confidence come from. Coupled with how the US basically gives ways for him to deal with the Kurds i don't see how he shouldn't push through for more.

Posted by: Lucci | Sep 8 2020 12:49 utc | 158

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 8 2020 5:08 utc | 149

On FPGAs this was Trump's game plan all along with regards to semiconductors:

Trump bars Chinese-backed firm from buying U.S. chipmaker Lattice

Portland, Oregon-based Lattice makes chips known as field-programmable gate arrays, which allow companies to put their own software on silicon chips for different uses.

It's only a matter of time until China dominants the sector. As someone else has pointed out the Chinese pretty much own the right side of the bell curve with regards to STEM. The environment in the US is becoming way too toxic for the best and brightest that China has to offer, so they're staying put. Top talent can now make just as much money in China versus the US, and that's before you factor in the increased cost of living.

Posted by: One Too Many | Sep 8 2020 13:21 utc | 159

@Arch Bungle 149
Thanks, interesting.

A quick google search shows there are several Chinese FPGA companies, and they've been at it since at least the mid 2010's - the Gowin company from the video you linked, which might not even be the most advanced one among them, released its first products in 2015 (?).

The FPGA's these guys are making seem to not be at the top end of the market, but are the natural strategy for quickly fielding a replacement for the huge variety specialized products that fall in the mid range of performance, which may be the most economically significant in terms of sales of the products that rely on them, if not in terms of sales of the chips themselves.

Posted by: ptb | Sep 8 2020 13:29 utc | 160

Merkel (reportedly) says NS II will be cancelled:

Merkel Reportedly Says Decision on Future of Nord Stream 2 Will Be Made by Europe, Not Germany

When Abraham Lincoln took office, he stated Cuba could only enter the Union when it abandoned plantation system (slavery). It was an elegant way of saying it would never enter the Union. The same logic applies here.

Posted by: vk | Sep 8 2020 13:50 utc | 161

James@125

I wasn't suggesting a solution, I was merely pointing out that there are alternatives to population control other than mass slaughter of portions of the population.

I find it annoying when the subject of population control arises, people automatically presume that one is advocating the deaths of large amounts of people other than oneself, and often say something to the effect of "kill yourself first".

We are too greedy and short sighted as a species to solve these complicated problems.

I agree with the poster who said nature will take care of it, as we are too stupid to take care of it ourselves.

Posted by: visak | Sep 8 2020 15:11 utc | 162

@ 162 visak... okay.. thanks... i too agree with @47 tom who said nature will take care of it...

Posted by: james | Sep 8 2020 16:22 utc | 163

9 Drug Companies Issue a Joint Pledge to Thoroughly Vet Vaccines

Ladies and gentlemen, this is what high stage capitalism has come to: a pledge so they can deliver a functioning product at a doable price.

--//--

"Deutsche" is trending on USA Twitter right now. The thing is Trump apparently loaned half-billion dollars to pay for his 2016 campaign or something like that. Many are calling the "I knew it!" game and calling Deutsche a mafia (which it is, but that's beside the point).

Those liberals should stop shooting themselves on the foot. Don't they know all the money and pension funds of the vaunted German working class (and its vaunted unions) are in the Deutsche? That, if the Deutsche falls, so does the iconic German working class?

If Germany falls, which fake utopia will the British and American center-left use?

Posted by: vk | Sep 8 2020 16:59 utc | 164

That is completely wrong. That has been sold to you by the medical profession. The big change was clean water.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 7 2020 13:02 utc | 103

Contrary to your suggestion, it's not "completely wrong" to give credit to modern medicine for increased numbers of humans on the planet. Young hippies didn't all get to live to be old hippies (and therefore add to population stats) just by drinking clean water.

Countless lives have been extended by vaccines, antibiotics, and greatly improved treatments for cancers and cardiovascular diseases. On top of that, decreased infant and child mortality (and fewer women dying in childbirth) have led to increased birth rates (e.g., more possible offspring on average per person). More births + delayed deaths = way more people, n'est-ce pas?

Of course clean water, like vaccines and antibiotics, helps to slow the spread of contagious diseases, and abundant nutrition (made possible by modern agriculture and transportation) helps us to thrive and reproduce. The roots of the population boom are multi-factorial.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 8 2020 18:15 utc | 165

I agree with the poster who said nature will take care of it, as we are too stupid to take care of it ourselves.

Posted by: visak | Sep 8 2020 15:11 utc | 162

Montbiot's "yeast-in-a-barrel" analogy is an apt one. Wines tend to top out at 13-15% alcohol because the yeast make their environment unlivable.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 8 2020 18:33 utc | 166

Sputnik claims Merkek has said that "future of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project in connection with the Navalny case will be Europe's to make, not Berlin's." (first link)

This may be seen by some as Merkel trying to avoid responsibility for what they see as the end of Nord Stream II. But I would suggest that there is strong support for NSII in Europe and strong opposition to the US threatening the EU with sanctions etc. 23 countries petitioned the US in response to the sanctions threat only last month. The EU will not give in to a transparently fake poison smear campaign imo!! (second link).

https://sputniknews.com/world/202009081080402041-g7-foreign-ministers-demand-full-transparency-from-russia-on-alleged-poisoning-of-navalny/

https://tass.com/economy/1189771

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 8 2020 19:59 utc | 167

Farm e ologist @ 165

I like modern dentistry too. And I might have died a couple years back from typhoid (still around) if the antibiotic had not worked. The lions share of life expectancy gains still goes to clean water. From the examples you choose deaths in childbirth go way the heck down merely from having clean water available. Of course death by typhoid goes way way down when the water is dependably clean. The typhoid only spreads these days because the caterer hires fourth world help.

Clean water is under threat from privatization everywhere. We take it for granted that our water supply is good and will find out what is important when it is gone.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2020 20:28 utc | 168

Farm ecologist @ 165

Think how different the practice of medicine would be if every day there were a large intake of waterborne disease. And every doctor had to spend a good part of every day ensuring the clinic had a sufficient amount of clean water.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 8 2020 21:14 utc | 169

2020 Bulgarian protests (Wikipedia).

Posted by: S | Sep 8 2020 21:35 utc | 170

Why have so many elderly died in Care Homes in so many different countries during the Coronavirus pandemic? This has just been too much of a coincidence to be accidental. It seems to me that this was a deliberate policy. Vernon Coleman gives what I think is the best reasoning for this viewpoint:

Your Government Wants You Dead

Posted by: ADKC | Sep 9 2020 0:13 utc | 171

There goes the Oxford vaccine:

Oxford coronavirus vaccine trial on hold over 'potentially unexplained illness', AstraZeneca says

Translation: a lot of subjects ("volunteers") died and/or almost died. And/or got crippled for life.

And this wasn't even one of the mRNA (the new, yet to be viable vaccine technology, which at least two American pharmas are investing on) ones, but a common, adenovirus vaccine (the same tech used by Gamaleya and the Chinese lab).

Posted by: vk | Sep 9 2020 0:16 utc | 172

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 8 2020 19:59 utc | 167

Re.: Navalny and Nordstream II - I'm not that familiar with Merkel's mannerisms but her words of concern and condemnation seem forced and utterly unenthusiastic.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 9 2020 2:09 utc | 173

ADKC @Sep9 0:13 #171

I haven't look at your link yet but I've been saying that the numerous mistakes and half-hearted indicate a deliberate effort to spread the virus (and kill people).

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 9 2020 2:26 utc | 174

My goodness me what a surprise. It appears that there is much more to the Oz journos yarns than western media has mentioned.
The Global Times article linked to tells us:

Staff from the Australian intelligence agency recently raided the residences of Chinese journalists in Australia, and questioned them, seized their computers and smartphones, and asked them not to report the incident, a source close to the matter told the Global Times on Tuesday

According to Xinhua the ASIO/AFP raids on the Chinese journos based in Australia happened on June 26, two months before Cheng's arrest in China.

The weird thing is this we all know that many governments - especially western governments, use journo cover to get intelligence agents in place but it seems likely that ASIO did not believe they were rounding up spies as after searching the journalists houses, taking their laptops, phones and tablets, the ASIO operatives asked the journos not to tell 'the embassy' what had happened. If they thought these Australian-based Chinese journos were spies they wouldn't have wasted their time with that fatuous ask.

I dunno what Australia is doing now & it looks a lot like the Oz government doesn't either.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 9 2020 9:32 utc | 175

@Posted by: ADKC | Sep 9 2020 0:13 utc | 171

Thanks for the video.

In spite that it is not true that some health services did not find themselves overwhelmed during the pandemic, that happened mainly because of previous harsh cuts in ICU beds, as happened in Spain, and previous savage privatization as happened in Madrid autonomous community.

It is true that, as I pointed out at the first months of the pandemic, there have been a dejation in care of the elders, and also it is true that it is a tendence in helping die whoever would have a simple stroke who gets with half the body paralized and thus unable to feed and drink by itself, but who for the rest is a healthy person, as I witnessed in my own family. Thus yes, euthanasia, with or without Coronavirus is at play here.

I pointed out at the first months of the pandemic that this was, casually, a vehicle to get rid of a lot of pensioners in a scenario where the governments have passed the last decade non stop warning that pensions will not be possible to be payed, yet the pension funds was used to rescue the big banks in 2008, a amoney that these banks, even when delivering dividends amongst the direction board through the last decade to the very first months of the pandemic, have not ever returned to the public treasury.

You know, as I witness how the harmless and effective Russian vaccine is ignored and demoniced by the press, and we are directed to take the AstraZeneca which, as some are reporting here, is causing terrible secondary damage and ev en crippling for life. One is to guess that what is intended with the vaccine is not to protect us from the Coronavirus but get rid of many of us, otherwise they would choose the most effective and harmless ( and possibly also the cheapest...)which is for now the Russian vaccine.

Around 2030, a huge number of people children of the so called baby boom are to retire.
In some European countries, as the retirement age for health workers is as long as it can be, a decade longer ( and increasing...) even than for bank workers, forming one of the most aged working collectives, being as it is this one of the most stressful and hardest jobs in the world, add to this the extra stress during the pandemic.

Notice that who are to be vaccinated first are, elders, patients with pre-conditons, and health workers, and you can see easily that, as they are willing ot vaccinate us with the worst of the vaccines available, the intention can not be that all these people makes it better, quite the contrary....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 9 2020 11:10 utc | 176

AtaBrit @167
This may be seen by some as Merkel trying to avoid responsibility for what they see as the end of Nord Stream II. But I would suggest that there is strong support for NSII in Europe and strong opposition to the US threatening the EU with sanctions etc. 23 countries petitioned the US in response to the sanctions threat only last month. The EU will not give in to a transparently fake poison smear campaign imo!! "

I agree.

Merkel is saying to the EU "If you want us to standup to the bullying, you'll have to back us at the EU level"

Posted by: Triden | Sep 9 2020 11:58 utc | 177

@Triden | 177
Yes. Precisely that.
And maybe EU countries could offer to back Trump's Nobel Peace Prize nomination to get him to back off. ))))

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 9 2020 12:52 utc | 178

Debsisdead @175

We can know that the Chinese don't use journalism as cover for covert and intelligence work so long as the Chinese government doesn't create fake NGOs that hand out "literary prizes" to people who don't write anything.

Hint: Most of the awards from western NGOs are just money laundering cash for imperial maintenance operations.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2020 13:13 utc | 179

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 9 2020 11:10 utc | 176

Yes, soon we will have regularly scheduled pandemics with pre-positioned free vaccines to cull the elderly herd whenever the pension funds get low.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 9 2020 14:29 utc | 180

LAC standoff | Massive Chinese build-up again in Finger area of Pangong Tso lake’s north bank

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/lac-standoff-massive-chinese-build-up-again-in-finger-area-of-pangong-tso-lakes-north-bank/article32560349.ece

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 9 2020 14:38 utc | 181

Some peacocks are gonna get plucked.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 9 2020 14:57 utc | 182

Let's do a simple exercise.

Pick photos of Alexei Navalny from a while ago (say, the one which appears in today's article by Cunningham in the Strategic Culture). In that photo, you can clearly see a second chin, a little bit of man boobs and a little bit of belly projecting against his shirt.

Now, pick the photos from the days before the "poisoning". He's very thin, as you can see by the excess skin below his neck and a much more skinny face (the bones of the cheeks and wrinkles gaining prominence). The last video before the airplane also shows he just took a cup of tea before collapsing.

This gives photographic credit to the Omsk doctors. Navalny probably is diabetic type II and was ongoing on a very aggressive treatment, with an extremely low calories intake, exercises and long fasting periods. This treatment has some scientific backing but is mostly a Western fitness industry thing, and it is not farfetched to think he started this "treatment" without medical approval and regulated only on his feeling. He probably overdid the treatment and had a hypoglycemic shock.

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More information on the failed Oxford vaccine:

1) the decision was taken only one day after that ridiculous "pledge";

2) apparently, it wasn't just "one subject" which had the "illness". The Guardian allegedly found the person who triggered the suspension of the trials. Buried in the seventh paragraph of the article it states that:

He called a hotline set up for participants and was asked to go in for further tests. Though he had been mailing in weekly coronavirus tests since having the vaccine, he was taken into a coronavirus ward for further screening and tested negative. He was also told he was one of a handful of participants who had experienced a similar reaction.

So he wasn't the only one, as the Western MSM makes it look like. This also invalidates the NYT's speculation this UK subject (also weird the guy had to be, from all countries the vaccine is being experimented, from the UK...) has a rare disease that was possibly the real culprit.

The AstraZeneca ("Oxford") vaccine is allegedly being tested in a 50,000 group (counting the control). The man had a 39.4°C fever. It is hard to believe that, in the context of a pandemic, with the Western nations losing 15-30% of their GDPs per quarter, a British big pharma would stop its phase 3 trial because of a simple fever. I suspect a lot of those 50,000 subjects died or suffered from very serious illnesses before this guy from a First World country (UK) called the hotline and threatened a Daily Mail scandal.

On the other side, the RDIF CEO's Kirill Dmitriev declined to comment on the AstraZeneca fiasco, but he had already stated that monkey adenovirus vaccines (which is the technology being used by AstraZeneca) are not a tested and proven technology. The Gamaleya vaccine uses the time tested and proven technology of human adenoviruses.

Posted by: vk | Sep 9 2020 15:31 utc | 183

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 8 2020 12:25 utc | 154
Nor were human rights or democracy or anything of the sort a concern to Europe or the USA (or the UK), in post-WW2 Greece or Salazar's Portugal. Come to that I do not remember much fuss about such things, in King Farouk's Egypt, King Idris's Libya, Chiang Kai-shek's China, Syngman Rhee's Korea, Verwoert's South Africa, Bao Dai's South Vietnam, Peron's Argentina, Marcos's Philipines, the Shah's Iran or a dozen other nasty regimes. The really concerning rights, were the rights of multi-national corporations and the USG.

Posted by: foolisholdman | Sep 9 2020 18:43 utc | 184

ADKC @ 171

There is a much simpler explanation. Vitamin D deficiency. The residents in care homes do not get enough sunlight. They are mostly fed badly in first place and definitely do not have nutritionists making sure they get Vitamin D. Without the D residents are utterly vulnerable to infections and also to the subsequent inflammation this disease uses to finish its victims off.

The general population is also largely D deficient. As northern hemisphere summer ends nearly all of us become D deficient and that is why a second wave is to be feared. We can only hope the disease is fizzling out, has run it’s course. If this disease still has some fight left in it we are sitting ducks. Vitamin supplements are easy cheap and effective. We lack any concept of public health and will do nothing.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2020 22:21 utc | 185

On the off topic of who is the deep state

"Posted by: foolisholdman | Sep 9 2020 18:43 utc | 184"

"Nor were human rights or democracy or anything of the sort a concern to Europe or the USA (or the UK), in post-WW2 Greece or Salazar's Portugal. Come to that I do not remember much fuss about such things, in King Farouk's Egypt, King Idris's Libya, Chiang Kai-shek's China, Syngman Rhee's Korea, Verwoert's South Africa, Bao Dai's South Vietnam, Peron's Argentina, Marcos's Philipines, the Shah's Iran or a dozen other nasty regimes. The really concerning rights, were the rights of multi-national corporations and the USG."

I think that that may be the heads of the deep state.

Seems to me that many of these Kings/Queens, Czars, etc. are related.

Everyone, everyone underneath these people know that their main job is to maintain the royal's position.

Just a thought.

Posted by: arby | Sep 9 2020 23:36 utc | 186

As far as post ww2 Greece goes Greece was one of the states USuk did a deal with the USSR over. In his 1948 memoir "The Second World War" Winston Churchill freely admits that at the Yalta conference he presented Joseph Stalin with a map of Europe and the ME where USuk had ticked those nations where they believed they should retain 'an interest' post WW2. France, Greece, Turkey were a few of the countries Churchill mentioned as being ticked. Many of these nations were 'problematic' for USuk as even in France the French communist party had far greater popular support and many more experienced soldiers in the resistance than de Gaulle's token army could muster. There was a genuine fear that France and Greece would become socialist states by way of popular revolution following the surrender of the fascists. Although Churchill doesn't mention Iran, I have no doubt that this was one of those Churchill had ticked for the same reasons.

Stalin took the map nodded then selected Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland plus the Baltic States, all those nations that could provide a buffer for the USSR should germany or anyone else want to try again. Poland stuck in Churchill's craw for a moment - after all wasn't that why england went to war in the first place, plus of course many thousands of Poles had fought for england's ends during ww2. Only a moment then Churchill agreed and shook Joe's proffered hand, then he went to tear up the map saying "Humph we better not leave that around for posterity". Stalin said "No keep it - pass it here". Stalin then signed the map saying something like "There is our deal keep it because we will stick to it" and handed it back.

The USSR did keep its word. As soon as the nazi pricks were chased out of Greece the people rose up and declared it a socialist state. The brits then fought the Greeks in the streets of athens slaughtering hundreds of fighters who had been their allies the day before. This was a Greek Communist Party uprising but the USSR did not lift a finger to help its comrades.
de Gaulle was more pre-emptive in France & worked with amerika to silence the socialists, once again the USSR did and said nothing.

USuk did not keep their end of a deal Churchill freely admits they willingly agreed to. They began stirring trouble in Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia and the Baltic states almost immediately.
One of the issues since WW2 has been that western leaders have always treated international agreements the same way they treat domestic agreements, things to be ignored, weaseled out of, twisted & corrupted whereas USSR/Russia, the Middle East & Asia regard a deal as a matter of honour. Don't make an agreement lightly but when you do, stick to it.
so-called civilisation = culture of deceit. It can be witnessed in the interactions of any bourgeois family where brothers & sisters, fathers & mothers routinely lie to each other.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 10 2020 2:35 utc | 187

It's getting ridiculous.News media in Europe,especially France and Germany are treating the american presedentials as if it were our own,and we should vote Biden.The Woodward remarks about Trump dwarfing Corona after having made a statement about its mortality ,is the first thing you hear on the news flashes.

Russiagate,Ukrainegate,the death of McCain,russian bounties,iranian bounties to kill americans in Afghanistan,BLM protests,Rittenhouse,Kenosha candidate visits,etc;it all follow exactly the same pattern:NYTimes and Washintong Post set the tune AFP,AP,Reuters ,der Spiegel,leMonde le Figaro,le Guardian all follow suit immediately with more often than not the exact same wording.Let's go out and hang all those criminal journalists.They are guilty of war crimes within the concept of the Nurnberg Trials.

Posted by: willie | Sep 10 2020 10:43 utc | 188

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 9 2020 22:21 utc | 185

If vitamin D deficiency was endemic to the northern countries, then COVID-19 would be the least of their health concerns, as it is lethal and inviabilizes biological reproduction of the homo sapiens (i.e. it is an extinction cause).

Your vitamin D deficiency also doesn't explain why the SARS-CoV-2 is ravaging equatorial countries like Brazil and India. Clearly, vitamin D deficiency is not a problem in those countries.

Posted by: vk | Sep 10 2020 11:42 utc | 189

Germany hands over Navalny's lab test results... to the OPCW!

Germany hands over Navalny’s test results to OPCW

The customary reader of this blog knows the true nature of the OPCW, so I won't waste your time with further explanations.

Posted by: vk | Sep 10 2020 11:54 utc | 190

Vk @ 189

Instead of being universal expert on everything who routinely embarrasses himself try entering ‘vitamin D covid’ in the search bar.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 10 2020 12:11 utc | 191

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 10 2020 12:11 utc | 191

I don't doubt vitamin D deficiency makes one more vulnerable to COVID-19.

The thing is it makes the human body vulnerable to everything, not just COVID-19. If vitamin D deficiency was a problem in temperate countries, we would be observing much graver health problems in those countries than COVID-19. But that's not the case: rich northern countries have better life quality, longer life expectancy than the poor equatorial countries. Vitamin D deficiency is not a societal problem in the First World.

Posted by: vk | Sep 10 2020 12:25 utc | 192

Posted by: Debsisdead | Sep 10 2020 2:35 utc | 187

"culture of deceit"

I think you hit the nail on the head there, gave a proper name to it. The economy is founded on deceit, so is the political system, so is the legal system. "surprise billing", "asset seizure", "pump and dump", "fake news", it is everywhere, and it explains everything about the current state of the USA, everything is a racket now. Anything that isn't, they are working on it.

This is great if you like easy money, not so much if you need something real. Bullshit will only take you so far. In the end, bullshit cannot compete.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 10 2020 13:42 utc | 193

Bemildred

"In the end, bullshit cannot compete."

I agree and also sanctions, threats, and embargoes are not able competition in the end.

Too many negatives do not make anything that can be positive.

This is why I think the US buck is finished.

Posted by: arby | Sep 10 2020 15:20 utc | 194

Posted by: arby | Sep 10 2020 15:20 utc | 194

It's going to be a bumpy ride, no doubt about it.

But the only way out is through, no going back either at this point. What ever future prospects we might have lie ahead, not behind. All this incompetence must be swept aside before we can begin to stabilize, to rebuild, to do perhaps something new.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 10 2020 16:55 utc | 195

Posted by: vk | Sep 10 2020 12:25 utc | 192: “Vitamin D deficiency is not a societal problem in the First World.”

I may be falsely assuming you are identifying the USA as “First World” as Thia shows little understanding of living conditions for many USA residents in lower-income brackets. Indeed lack of vitamin d is a major problem here just as it is worldwide. Do the research. Inexpensive preventive medicine like cheap vit d is not to big pharma or insurance extractors’ liking. This may be very 1st world in certain political economies but certainly does not mean residents benefit or are not harmed. How hard would it be to have public education campaign on how to maintain healthy immune system? Very hard when media is advertisement driven by corporate monopolies.

The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2005 to 2006 data were analyzed for vitamin D levels in adult participants (N = 4495). Vitamin D deficiency was defined as a serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations ≤20 ng/mL (50 nmol/L). The overall prevalence rate of vitamin D deficiency was 41.6%, with the highest rate seen in blacks (82.1%), followed by Hispanics (69.2%). Vitamin D deficiency was significantly more common among those who had no college education, were obese, with a poor health status, hypertension, low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level, or not consuming milk daily (all P < .001).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21310306/

Posted by: suzan | Sep 10 2020 18:20 utc | 196

Old hippie
Do you have a way for us to learn more. We have a close to passive house and use and air exchanger. We are currently going through the fires in oregon and over and over our air has been the worst in the world. The air exchanger has worked pretty well and our house is not to stinky. On the coldest days we do have to turn the heat on and when it is in the high 90s for multiple days the ac for max 2 hours. We would really like to know more about what you did or do . Thanks.

Posted by: Susan | Sep 13 2020 15:35 utc | 197

There is an analysis at http://syriapropagandamedia.org/the-novichoks-story-chemical-weapons-programme-or-canary-trap#chemical-and-toxicological-properties-of-a-234-and-other-a-series-compounds which is very much worth a read. It revives the possibility that novichok has actually been used, is a chemical which is pretty stable, is expected to take hours or longer before the effects are felt, and is not a useful battlefield weapon.
The Americans and British synthesized it in the nineties.
Because it is stable old stock could still be usable which widens the possible groups in possession of it(so the russian mafia could be using it too, as Gareth Porter has posited earlier).

Posted by: tuyzentfloot | Sep 17 2020 19:29 utc | 198

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