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September 16, 2020
Open Thread 2020-74
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Tensions over Taiwan are back at the top of the Global Times website with three articles dealing with the upcoming visit by the Outlaw US Empire’s Undersecretary of State Keith Krach. “Krach’s visit to Taiwan should be punished: expert: “US official’s planned trip ‘a serious provocation, risk to region.'” “Krach’s visit to bring misfortune to Taiwan: Global Times editorial”: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 16 2020 18:15 utc | 1 Did Merkel blink, or is she still trying to wriggle a way out? Posted by: j. casey | Sep 16 2020 18:28 utc | 2 @1 Michael Droy. Covid reporting was the reason why I left this otherwise excellent blog for several months. Every journalist or blogger has his or her own expertise. Moa is great at analysing color revolutions and other things. For COVID there are others who are great at it, but bad at other things. Nobody is perfect. When I came back to MOA it was like a breath of fresh air to not read about COVID for a change. Maybe we should just keep it that way. Posted by: Joost | Sep 16 2020 18:51 utc | 3 This open thread came at a nice time 🙂
Which makes much more sense but could still be entirely wrong as other translations say the exact opposite: that it does not exhaust the legal options for the US in regard to future sanctions. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 16 2020 18:56 utc | 4 @j.casey #1 Posted by: c1ue | Sep 16 2020 18:57 utc | 5 @ gruff 238 (from last open thread) Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 16 2020 19:03 utc | 6 I see what you did there! Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 16 2020 19:08 utc | 7 Just finished watching the most recent Keiser Report including the second half guest interview, and I suggest barflies take 25 minutes and do likewise if they want to learn about the future economic direction within and without the Outlaw US Empire. The episode is titled “Chart of the Year,” the chart shows disposable income and its source: In 2008 with the fraudulent bank crisis, 18.8% came from the federal gov’t; in 2020, that amount rose to 24%. You can see it here. I suggest looking at the other charts offered at that twitter page, particularly the small business revenue and retail investor activity charts, the latter also discussed during the program. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 16 2020 19:31 utc | 8 Did you see Prof. Norman Finklestein speaking on the UAE-Israel-Bahrain deal? He says its a con to try and paper over the failure of “The Deal of The Century.” It is hilarious. Posted by: Kali | Sep 16 2020 19:53 utc | 9 German industry has no choice: only Russian gas will do. How did it get to this situation? Posted by: passerby | Sep 16 2020 20:33 utc | 10 Capitalism must be abolished in order for black lives to matter, Alicia Garza, a co-founder of Black Lives Matter, said at a conference in 2015. Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 21:21 utc | 11 Finnian Cunningham doesn’t mince his words over the vast difference in responses between the non-poisoning of Navalny and the declared desire by Trump to assassinate Syria’s President Assad: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 16 2020 21:25 utc | 12 Re.: Venezuela Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 16 2020 21:25 utc | 13 Republican Louisiana Sen. John Kennedy told Sean Hannity he believes Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has consumed Tide Pod laundry detergent Tuesday night. Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 21:30 utc | 14 Daily Caller @DailyCaller Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 21:40 utc | 15 More than 200 senior military officers backed President Donald Trump’s reelection in a letter warning that 2020 presidential candidate Joe Biden will lead to socialist and Marxist influences on American government. Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 21:42 utc | 16 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden mistook Iran for Iraq in a slip-up during a speech he made in Tampa, Florida, on Tuesday. Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 21:48 utc | 17 Washington Examiner @dcexaminer Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 21:51 utc | 18 @ Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 16 2020 21:25 utc | 13 Mao @16– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 16 2020 21:57 utc | 20 US artist David Datuna wants to build a copy of USSR founder Vladimir Lenin’s resting place in Washington and buy the communist leader’s mummified body, which is currently preserved in a landmark mausoleum on the Red Square, the artist’s press service said on Wednesday. Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 21:59 utc | 21 Northwest on fire! Posted by: Uncle $cam | Sep 16 2020 21:59 utc | 22 President Donald Trump revealed Tuesday that he wanted to assassinate Syrian President Bashar Assad earlier in his presidency, reversing his previous denial that the issue ever came up. Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 22:03 utc | 23 This deserves spreading widely, from the Assange extradition trial yesterday, Tuesday the 15th September. Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 16 2020 22:11 utc | 24 karlof1 @Sep16 21:25 #12 Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 16 2020 22:11 utc | 25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxEGiCiYKiA Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 22:11 utc | 26 @ 12 karlof1… i 2nd jackrabbits comment… more hypocrisy on display… Posted by: james | Sep 16 2020 22:23 utc | 27 Re Dr. Li Meng Yan. Posted by: CarlD | Sep 16 2020 22:41 utc | 28 Posted by: vk | Sep 16 2020 21:52 utc | 19 Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 16 2020 23:05 utc | 29 ICYMI– Directed Energy weapns in space just acknowledged bt Sec Def Esper 0-16-2020 …after Dutchsinse caught their use live [!] fe days ago while b’casting video. “Dutch” does regular and accurate earthquake forecasting. Posted by: chu teh | Sep 16 2020 23:06 utc | 30 In #29, above, note is a spacing “dashM” [_M] in Esper URL. Posted by: chu teh | Sep 16 2020 23:09 utc | 31 We’ve never backed a presidential candidate in our 175-year history—until now Posted by: Mao | Sep 16 2020 23:14 utc | 32 Farm Ecologist @ 13, VK @ 19: Posted by: Jen | Sep 16 2020 23:31 utc | 33 re #29 Note at 18:05 on “Dutch” video he realizes it is a space-based source… e.g. beam weapon from a satellite! Posted by: chu teh | Sep 16 2020 23:32 utc | 34 @27 CarlD Posted by: ptb | Sep 17 2020 0:13 utc | 35 @ Posted by: Jen | Sep 16 2020 23:31 utc | 32
So, yes, for sure the UN must have included this absolutely random case in their dossier (the two journalists may have been killed for many other reasons not related to freedom of speech, and the agents were judged and arrested either way), but they claim a much longer list of sources. Although to be honest that rolsociety website is just absurd on its face. For $100mm that’s the best they can do? I think not. Posted by: ptb | Sep 17 2020 0:24 utc | 37
https://www.rt.com/business/500822-germany-offers-us-deal/ Posted by: David G | Sep 17 2020 0:33 utc | 38 So now we get the full story. Tibetans were part of the Indian army’s operation on the Chinese border. Posted by: dh | Sep 17 2020 0:39 utc | 39 China rises. Posted by: daffyDuct | Sep 17 2020 2:07 utc | 40 Black humor: if someone (anyone) really really really wanted to ruffle the US election all they have to do is to kill Harris very soon and blame Iran/China/Russia/Venezuela/North Korea/Syria/Palestine/Nicaragua/Pakistan/India/Turkey/Cuuuba :P/Lebanon/Hezbollah/Al Qaeda/ISIS/the far right/communists/socialists/Bernie Bros/AFA/BLM/Fox News/CNN/FBI/CIA/WHO/UN/etc. XD Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 17 2020 4:07 utc | 41 vk and farm ecologist Posted by: Tom | Sep 17 2020 4:59 utc | 42 Mao @25 Posted by: Paora | Sep 17 2020 5:10 utc | 43 4# Sunny Runny Burger Posted by: willie | Sep 17 2020 7:05 utc | 44 Below is a link to a Xinhua posting Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 17 2020 7:11 utc | 45 Below is another Xinhuanet posting link Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 17 2020 7:23 utc | 46 Maybe what the US and the west in general needs is a US version of the Chinese Cultural Revolution. The urban/rural divide is greater now than ever in the west with rural areas impoverished and in despair. What it needs now is Make Rural XXXXX Great Again I will leave it up to those better versed in this to build on or tear it to shreds. But as Ramin Mazaher describes developing the human capital of rural China (along with Dongping Han who wrote The Unknown Cultural Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village) laid the foundation for modern China. Posted by: Tom | Sep 17 2020 7:31 utc | 47 Another interesting article on the rural urban divide by Ramin Mazaheri and how the fake left just doesn’t get it. Posted by: Tom | Sep 17 2020 7:43 utc | 48 @3 Joost Posted by: MadMax2 | Sep 17 2020 8:56 utc | 49 The word “socialism” is a slur in the U.S. I wish it wasn’t but it is. Try using “public sector” instead. Almost everyone understands and supports some public sector– police, fire, bridges, schools, roads… Posted by: migueljose | Sep 17 2020 10:37 utc | 50 Losing move… Posted by: vk | Sep 17 2020 11:35 utc | 51 Posted by: Paco | Sep 17 2020 12:11 utc | 53 @ Posted by: Paco | Sep 17 2020 12:11 utc | 53 Posted by: vk | Sep 17 2020 12:23 utc | 54 Posted by: Paco | Sep 17 2020 15:05 utc | 55 Erdogan is publicly humiliating the EU: Below is a Reuters quote show the pot calling the kettle black Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 17 2020 15:14 utc | 57 If you can’t beat them, ban them.. Posted by: arby | Sep 17 2020 16:27 utc | 58 All hands on deck, ten years after -not the rock group- the polish go back to the presidential plane crash in Smolensk. They want the flight controllers, after a joint investigation now they claim traces of explosives on parts of the plane that were changed when the plane was last serviced, in Russia since it was a Tupolev. Guess what, one of the labs that found traces of explosives is from…. the UK¡¡ Posted by: Paco | Sep 17 2020 17:16 utc | 59 David G | Sep 17 2020 0:33 utc | 38 Posted by: vinnieoh | Sep 17 2020 17:26 utc | 60 I commented yesterday that the episode of the Keiser Report I linked was certainly one not to miss, including the second half interview with Michael Pento, who Max asked to stick around for the next show. I must say that Mr. Pento ought to be listened to as he’s extremely concerned about our current distress and the further chaos that’s coming. That said, here’s that next episode which delves into the massive prevarications done over the last 5 decades about a number of differing issues along with the economy. And yes, you’ll want to listen to Max let Mr. Pento expand upon the “Fiscal Cliff” that was mentioned at the end of the previous program. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2020 19:24 utc | 62 Yesterday on the following thread to this one I posted a comment as follows ——— Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 17 2020 19:58 utc | 63 No tragedy without a touch of comedy, the incredible criminalistic work of team Navalny led by the mysterious Pevchikh/Singer collecting all sorts of evidence, and successfully taking it out of the jurisdiction where the supposed crime was committed. The comedy side of it, the brand of the supposedly contaminated water bottle: Sacred Source, as headspring initially, but with interesting connotations. Posted by: Paco | Sep 17 2020 20:47 utc | 64 For real comedy, the way Batka Luka wipes his rear with political correctness, he calls directly and in a very original way self-proclaimed president Tikhanovskaya Guaidikha, sounds great, Guaido in Russian, feminine and sort of demeaning, all in one word¡¡¡ Posted by: Paco | Sep 17 2020 21:00 utc | 65 USA, land of opportunity: I finally took the time to write a new essay for publication at my VK Space with the title “Why Money” since humans existed just fine for several million years without it, and many out-of-the-way societies continued to do so until the first half of the 20th Century. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 17 2020 21:08 utc | 67 Merkel is a hapless dupe? Merkel is a duplicitous has been? Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 18 2020 0:56 utc | 68 vinnieoh #60 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 18 2020 1:16 utc | 69 This is something fun… Posted by: juliania | Sep 18 2020 1:30 utc | 70
That is not the subject found and interviewed by The Guardian the day after the trials were paused. If memory doesn’t fail me, that subject was a male. This one is a “healthy 37-year-old female”. Al Jazeera is reporting that Fayez al-Sarraj, head of the UN-recognised Fake Libyan Government, said he’ll resign in October, citing “progress in talks to unify the country” (which NATO destroyed and looted in 2011). Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 18 2020 2:32 utc | 72 Below is a posting from Xinhuanet that provides a good description of the evolving mix of private enterprise and SOE (State Owned Enterprise) Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 18 2020 3:33 utc | 73 Below is a short posting from Xinhuanet about Russia/Belarus/empire Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 18 2020 3:36 utc | 74 Just read the following in an anonymous comment to The Register Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 18 2020 5:08 utc | 75 psychohistorian #75 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 18 2020 6:30 utc | 76 The European parliament has recognized la Tichonovskaya as legal president for Belarus.The European parliament wants sanctions against the Lukachenko regime,and more against the Putin regime for poisoning Navalny.This of course argumented with strife for liberty in those countries. Posted by: willie | Sep 18 2020 7:32 utc | 77 I wonder if Mrs Merkel is sorry she bought into the Navalny version of NATO’s anti-Putin Skripalmania plot yet? ABC America and PBS are showing a White Helmets-style video clip of unidentified hands purportedly belonging to members of Team Navalny, reaching into an ultra-tight shot of an anonymous bedside table, in an anonymous location, to recover two water bottles with blue caps. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 18 2020 8:19 utc | 78 karlof1 @ 67 Posted by: john | Sep 18 2020 10:22 utc | 79 Funny how differently one can see the world. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 18 2020 10:36 utc | 80 John it’s a bar not a town-hall meeting, everyone has their own corner and then (linking with the topic of KIA in the last comment of mine) someone like Theophrastus (always with the same old necrophillic hard-on for dead Greeks, I bet you it’s in his profile) walks in thinking they’re clever and will have some fun trolling everyone 🙂 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 18 2020 10:43 utc | 81 #79 willie Posted by: willie | Sep 18 2020 10:48 utc | 82 Sunny Runny Burger @ 84 Posted by: john | Sep 18 2020 11:06 utc | 83 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 18 2020 8:19 utc | 81 Posted by: somebody | Sep 18 2020 11:35 utc | 84 @ Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Sep 18 2020 6:42 utc | 77 “Bolivia’s ‘interim president’ withdraws from upcoming election, one day after poll shows pro-Morales candidate in the lead ” Posted by: arby | Sep 18 2020 12:23 utc | 86 “Trump will ban US downloads of Chinese apps TikTok & WeChat starting September 20 ” Posted by: arby | Sep 18 2020 13:33 utc | 87 Too much absurdity in Navalny case to take anyone’s word on trust — Kremlin
Germany’s case is already lost. Each blow to their lies are impelling them to tell other lies to cover for the previous ones. By now, Russia already knows the Belarusian intercepted intelligence is genuine and that this is a fully-fledged fabrication by the Germans. They’re only playing now – Peskov knows the bottle doesn’t exist because he knows the Omsk doctors are telling the truth. Daniel Estulin is pointing out at that the alleged photo of Navalny with wife and friends at German hospital he allegedly has shared in his Instagram account has been photoshopped… Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 18 2020 14:05 utc | 89 What a time to be alive: when you degenerate to such a level that makes Socialist Realism look good. Posted by: Paco | Sep 18 2020 14:42 utc | 90 uncle tungsten | Sep 18 2020 1:16 utc | 69 Posted by: vinnieoh | Sep 18 2020 15:31 utc | 91 Helmer on Navalny… Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 18 2020 15:55 utc | 92 john @82– Taiwan’s back on the front burner, “PLA Friday drills not warning, but rehearsal for Taiwan takeover: Global Times editorial”, and “PLA starts real combat-oriented drills in Taiwan Straits amid Krach’s visit, approaches island from four directions”. From the editorial: vinnieoh | Sep 17 2020 17:26 utc | 60: Posted by: David G | Sep 18 2020 17:56 utc | 95 Lavrov engaged in an important interview with Sputnik News which has published some of the conversation, while the Ministry of Foreign Affairs only has an incomplete transcript available as I type. As usual, Lavrov’s very detailed in his answers and the questions this time are also rather complex. The result is I suggest people read the article then tomorrow consult the transcript which ought to be whole by then. Seems I have this thread all to myself, which is rather sad. On the 17th, Lavrov also conducted an interview with RTV1, with a complete transcript provided by The Saker’s website. It appears the Sputnik reporters also watched that interview as they mostly avoided the topics discussed on RTV1. Lavrov’s a little more lively and he’s asked good questions that provide interesting answers like the following about soft power: @ karlof1 Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 18 2020 22:07 utc | 98 dan of steele @102– Musing about society from a sociological, anthropological, historical, and political-economic viewpoint–the four areas I majored in while at university. |
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