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September 10, 2020
Open Thread 2020-72
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‘President’ Guaido asks the military to block elections in Venezuela Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 10 2020 13:41 utc | 1 Interesting article by F William Engdahl Posted by: Down South | Sep 10 2020 14:21 utc | 2 Hey! Posted by: librul | Sep 10 2020 14:50 utc | 3 So Germany is handing over said evidence of (ultra-HD high-test most lethal variant ever created) Novichok poisoning to none other than scandal-ridden OPCW. Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 10 2020 15:04 utc | 4 Brazil continues to disintegrate as a nation-State. This time, on the economy: @Christian J. Chuba Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 10 2020 15:12 utc | 6 Woodward Book Exposes General James Mattis’ Plot To Overthrow The US Government Posted by: librul | Sep 10 2020 15:14 utc | 7 b, prev. post: Posted by: Noirette | Sep 10 2020 15:32 utc | 8 The Social Dilemma ahh … a non-political topic and one that’s been twisting around in my head Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 10 2020 15:45 utc | 9 The narrative about the “bombing” of the Navalny HQ by two masked men that threw a bottle containing some chemical in the room, forcing all to flee and causing a few to feel unwell, reminds me of the following anecdote: Posted by: CarlD | Sep 10 2020 15:53 utc | 10 fear of socialist govts succeeding no matter how small and harmless they are… Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 10 2020 16:19 utc | 11 Posted by: Noirette | Sep 10 2020 15:32 utc | 8 Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 10 2020 16:26 utc | 12 Georgian citizens being used as laboratory rats, immunity for US officials, scientists and for pharma giant Gilead. Posted by: Tom | Sep 10 2020 16:30 utc | 14 Pompeo and Outlaw US Empire spreading lies as usual or so this Global Times article reveals. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 17:17 utc | 15 Posted by: librul | Sep 10 2020 14:50 utc | 3 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 10 2020 17:18 utc | 16 Finally, something useful for the F35: Yesterday I noted Putin’s videoconference with the SCO nations’s foreign ministers and lamented the poor amount of detail in the partial transcript, which has since been rectified, although it remains short since the meeting was brief. This bit I found most interesting as worthy of sharing: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 17:55 utc | 19 Ian Welsh, Sept Covid Update: get ready for a second wave to hit, mainly the poor. The US still needs a national lockdown. Posted by: Prof K | Sep 10 2020 18:12 utc | 20 Prof K @20– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 18:29 utc | 21 “It is just too obvious: As China veers towards Iran and the Middle East in search of energy-supply security, the temptation of any success with forcing a hawkish stance on China will be to link the two (Iran and China), and to try to push for a ‘kill-two-birds-with-one-stone’ policy stance.” Posted by: recon | Sep 10 2020 18:32 utc | 22 So apparently there is an existing, operating Eilat-Ashkelon oil pipeline, kept rather quiet until now, which may get considerably more significant as Gulf monarchy-Israel relations normalize. Posted by: David G | Sep 10 2020 18:32 utc | 23 Prof K | Sep 10 2020 18:12 utc | 20: Posted by: David G | Sep 10 2020 18:37 utc | 24 RE: the social media problem, TED Talks: Filter Bubbles from 2011. Most folks using Google et al were herded into algorithmic echo chambers without even realizing it. It’s similar to being ‘ghost banned’…You can’t figure out why all your searches on really important stuff keep returning absolute dreck. Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Sep 10 2020 18:38 utc | 25 @ Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Sep 10 2020 18:38 utc | 25 Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Sep 10 2020 19:06 utc | 26 craig murray on day 8 in the assange hearing… Posted by: james | Sep 10 2020 19:07 utc | 27 The CFR and other organizations have expressed in action their intentions to use the nation state system to take control over everything from top politics to issue of licence to talk at the bottom.. Five G, controlled access to drinking water, privatization and the like. But here in one article is the proof about rule of law.. and how it has been used to empower the rich to get richer and the poor to remain help deplorables. Posted by: snake | Sep 10 2020 19:07 utc | 28 @ Dr Wellington Yueh | Sep 10 2020 18:38 utc | 25 Posted by: james | Sep 10 2020 19:10 utc | 29 Lavrov officially links behavior of “Western colleagues” in Skripal, Nalvany, and MH-17 events. Lavrov’s humor was in evidence at the end of his answer at the presser where his observation originated: Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 19:20 utc | 30 Posted by: librul | Sep 10 2020 15:14 utc | 7 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 19:30 utc | 31 @recon 22 Posted by: ptb | Sep 10 2020 19:37 utc | 32 So what is really the reason behind some neocons turning on China regardless of what it means for Israel? Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 19:42 utc | 33 @20 Prof K Posted by: Circe | Sep 10 2020 19:47 utc | 34 Posted by: ptb | Sep 10 2020 19:37 utc | 32 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 19:52 utc | 35 Posted by: vk | Sep 10 2020 15:09 utc | 5
Of course it would also cost the EU in exports to the US. Posted by: somebody | Sep 10 2020 19:57 utc | 36 Posted by: recon | Sep 10 2020 18:32 utc | 22 Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 10 2020 19:59 utc | 37
Are you kidding me? All Neocons are Zionist first! Zionist interests are always at the top of any Neocon strategy. Posted by: Circe | Sep 10 2020 20:23 utc | 38 A note for newbie barfly Triden. Since you confess your disdain for video and bias for the written word, here’s something of importance to our overall discussion here at the bar since it deals with the current dysfunctional political-economy imposed upon most of humanity. Hopefully you’ll find the subject matter to your liking. You might also find this by the same author of interest. Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 20:37 utc | 39 nwoods – They do believe (they being the US/UK/NATO, including Germany) that we the great unwashed will believe whatever duplicitous crap the OPCW spouts on behalf the US et al. And in part that is because the vast majority of the population, those tuned into one form of MSM or another, were left UNINFORMED about the whole Douma-White Helmets-OPCW frame job against Syria. Well, I’m going by NPR and the BBC World Service Radio as broadcast here in the USA. Posted by: Anne | Sep 10 2020 20:42 utc | 40 Take 20 minutes now and listen to a speech from JFK. Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 10 2020 20:44 utc | 41 @Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 19:30 utc | 31
Posted by: librul | Sep 10 2020 20:47 utc | 42 An hour and 47 minutes interview, Lukashenko with a team of Russian MSM led by an overly assertive Simonian and other mainstream journalists. Interesting Lukashenko as a character, at times reminded me of the latin american literature strong man, at times a soldier, factory worker, sly farmer proud of his clean and orderly farm, a simple guy but not someone easy to fool. It was obvious his unstable position facing the RT chief, it almost got to be irrespectful due to the camaraderie even though Lukashenko reacted immediately, over a quarter century as president and longer time as a politician, he knows probably too much about all the soviet and post soviet space. Lots of references to historical and present players. He is not going anywhere, he made it known to whoever wants to listen. Posted by: Paco | Sep 10 2020 20:58 utc | 43 @Posted by: snake | Sep 10 2020 19:07 utc | 28 Posted by: librul | Sep 10 2020 21:03 utc | 44 To clarify my above reference to Parisian Guy. Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 10 2020 21:03 utc | 45 @6 nwwoods, thanks for posting that link! Posted by: Canadian Cents | Sep 10 2020 21:07 utc | 46 Trump Nominated for 2021 Noble Peace Prize by Norwegian Lawmaker In Wake of Israel-UAE Deal Posted by: Ian2 | Sep 10 2020 21:07 utc | 47 Not sure if this has been mentioned before but the Iranians have despatched another convoy of petrol and other useful chemicals to Venezuela. At least 3 possibly 4 are the tankers they sent on their previous successful trip. These are large Iranian flagged ships which may have Marines or similar with defensive systems (anti Somali pirate of course) on board. Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 10 2020 21:12 utc | 48 vk, karlof1 Posted by: donten | Sep 10 2020 21:16 utc | 49 Some of them are now pure China hawks, and don’t care so much about Israel anymore. Posted by: recon | Sep 10 2020 21:39 utc | 50 People believe God is good. But then how do we explain bad things happen? To explain bad things, the idea of the devil was born. Take this a step further, and one ends up burning witches. Posted by: passerby | Sep 10 2020 21:47 utc | 51 , what does, “no more able to do his job” mean, would that be whatever the supermajority says it does? Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 21:56 utc | 52 donten @48– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 21:58 utc | 53 The target for pretending Navalny was poisoned seems like it could easily be to rope in Trump and maintain (better?) control of him after any reelection rather than Merkel and NS2 which might be secondary and almost a diversion (or bait for Trump). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 10 2020 22:19 utc | 54 Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 10 2020 19:59 utc | 37 And our new umbrage with China is directly related to that, they are getting uppity, see? So it’s different and more dangerous.
The books were a lot better than the movies. The first movie was back in 1937 and starred Boris Karloff as Fu Manchu. The first 2 Christopher Lee versions in 1965 and 1966 weren’t too bad, but the rest in 1967, 1968 and 1969 were atrocious. I read a lot of the books back in the day – have 3 of them plus a number of other Sax Rohmer books on the hard drive. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 10 2020 22:41 utc | 55 Why San Francisco had an apocalyptic orange sky. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 10 2020 23:04 utc | 56 Are you kidding me? [. . . .] Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 23:10 utc | 57 France24 reports heavy rain and floods along parts of the (Blue) Nile (Wikipedia link). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 10 2020 23:28 utc | 58 Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 10 2020 21:03 utc | 44 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 23:28 utc | 59 vk@5 Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2020 23:29 utc | 60 So is Egypt a Hidasse half full or a Hidasse half empty kind of country? 😛 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 10 2020 23:32 utc | 61 59 bevin Posted by: somebody | Sep 10 2020 23:40 utc | 62 Mike Lofgren asks: “Is Trump a Murderer?”. He answers: “The Woodward tapes provide the evidence: the president committed political genocide.” [My Emphasis] Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 23:41 utc | 63 @47 Posted by: Schmoe | Sep 10 2020 23:48 utc | 64 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 10 2020 23:10 utc | 56 Posted by: somebody | Sep 11 2020 0:02 utc | 65 somebody @64– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2020 0:29 utc | 66 @56 Parisian Guy Posted by: Circe | Sep 11 2020 0:36 utc | 67 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 10 2020 22:41 utc | 54 Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 11 2020 0:55 utc | 68 dirt under the carpet Posted by: snake | Sep 11 2020 0:58 utc | 69 Bemildred @67– Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2020 1:16 utc | 70 @ Posted by: bevin | Sep 10 2020 23:29 utc | 59; @ Posted by: somebody | Sep 10 2020 23:40 utc | 61 About the counterintuitivity of intelligence quotients… Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Sep 11 2020 1:24 utc | 72 As Patrick Armstrong put it, ” Now they come right out and tell us they think we’re stupider than pond scum:”. You have to give them credit. They try to cover all the bases but end up creating a tangled web of lies. The Novichok is the new, improved time release extra strength nerve agent. Sounds like the Bundeswehr should go into marketing. Oh wait… The nefarious FSB agent must have had his/her cloaking device on as no one could see the agent dripping the poison into the tea. The Bundeswehr believe the operation wasn’t the result of some Oligarch wishing to silence Navalny as it was too complex, new, lethal and would require a special laboratory to prepare the weapon. If this version of the “truth squared” can’t be pounded into that round hole, please ignore while we create a new reality. Please be patient. Posted by: Tom | Sep 11 2020 2:08 utc | 73 VK @ 70: Posted by: Jen | Sep 11 2020 2:29 utc | 74 Read on Twitter that Boris Johnson was reneging on his agreement with the EU. Posted by: groucho | Sep 11 2020 2:43 utc | 75 @ Jen 73 & vk 70) Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11 2020 3:02 utc | 76 Prof K #20
Yes that was a good report. These are truly revealing times. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 11 2020 3:35 utc | 77 karlof1 #15
The bunya nut republic was astounded when China didn’t even show up at the grain sales a few weeks ago. Nearly 40% export income to Oz is on the block as the idiot pentescotal Prime Monster shirtfronts President Xi. No rainbow dreaming in this fair land – more like Haiti dreaming these days. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 11 2020 3:43 utc | 78 Posted by: Circe | Sep 11 2020 0:36 utc | 66 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 11 2020 3:45 utc | 79 I should add to my #76 regarding the sack of concrete etc…
Solomon weasel words his way to saying voters can change Biden by voting for him cause that way he will become progressive. See its that easy no need for another Bernie or any of that… what a fraud. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 11 2020 3:54 utc | 80 a blow to the US. . .peace in the Himalayas–
Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11 2020 4:34 utc | 81 Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 10 2020 19:59 utc | 37 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 11 2020 4:43 utc | 82 China is a US enemy because it doesn’t follow ‘the rules of the road’ established by the US, where world-wide corporate interests rule strategy. China operates differently with major corporations owned by the government. This elevates long-term advantages for the government to a level impossible for the US where short-time profits rule. The US now is attempting to destroy those China corporations, starting with Huawei (electronics) and CCCC (construction). . .It probably won’t work. Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11 2020 5:07 utc | 83 I suspect many barflies have read that Bob Woodward has come out with a book about semi-recent interviews with Trump and in there is Trump admitting he lied to the American public about the seriousness of the Covid virus Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 11 2020 5:11 utc | 84 Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 10 2020 13:41 utc | 1 — “We are such evil hypocrites….. it’s all about power, bullying, and fear of socialist govts….” Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 11 2020 5:12 utc | 85 Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11 2020 3:02 utc | 75 Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 11 2020 5:13 utc | 86 @ f.e. 85 Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11 2020 5:22 utc | 87 Posted by: Noirette | Sep 10 2020 15:32 utc | 8– “Trump showed up the falsity and fragility of the Duopoly….” Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 11 2020 5:35 utc | 88 One the eve of the 19th anniversary of the dastardly 9/11 false flag crime, it’s refreshing albeit saddening to read Pepe Escobar’s current article in Asia Times, From 9/11 to the Great Reset, and to recall his previous article in 2019, We are all hostages of 9/11. If we in the U.S. are not free to pursue justice, then the veneer of “freedom” only hides a deeper horror and despair. Posted by: norecovery | Sep 11 2020 5:38 utc | 89 @83 psychohistorian – “If anything is going to bring Trump down it will be his response to the Covid virus” Posted by: Grieved | Sep 11 2020 5:38 utc | 90 Something’s unreliable in this comment system. I properly posted two URLS from Asia Times, but only one showed up with the wrong title. Pepe Escobar’s current article is “From 9/11 to the Great Reset” <“>https://asiatimes.com/2020/09/from-9-11-to-the-great-reset/> Posted by: norecovery | Sep 11 2020 5:40 utc | 91 To. Don Bacon #80 Posted by: Antonym | Sep 11 2020 5:53 utc | 92 Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 10 2020 17:17 utc | 15 — “It appears the frequency of China bashing done by TrumpCo is related to growing gap between in abilities as China forges ahead while the Empire continues to drown in its own excesses.” Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 11 2020 5:53 utc | 93 Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 11 2020 5:07 utc | 82 Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 11 2020 5:58 utc | 94 @ Grieved | Sep 11 2020 5:38 utc | 89 with the response to my comment, thanks Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 11 2020 6:00 utc | 95 Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 11 2020 1:16 utc | 69 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 11 2020 6:06 utc | 96 On the eve of the Sept 11 attack on USA by Saudi wahabbi criminals, pause to consider this (from Sputnik): Posted by: powerandpeople | Sep 11 2020 8:53 utc | 97 karlof1 #62 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 11 2020 9:10 utc | 98 Richard Steven Hack | Sep 11 2020 6:06 utc | 95 Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 11 2020 9:12 utc | 99 So apparently there is an existing, operating Eilat-Ashkelon oil pipeline, kept rather quiet until now, which may get considerably more significant as Gulf monarchy-Israel relations normalize. Posted by: snake | Sep 11 2020 9:30 utc | 100 |
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