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September 03, 2020

Open Thread 2020-70

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@ Kevin | Sep 4 2020 3:18 utc | 98

After having watched this video, I am pretty sure that I’ll not take the vaccine. The talk is in German but with English under title. Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi is no conspiracy theorist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eR1j9vqKi8

Posted by: Nathan Mulcahy | Sep 4 2020 3:33 utc | 101

New York City is becoming “land of the flee” because people want “some space and a little bit more freedom,” actor Dean Cain told “Fox & Friends” on Monday.

Cain made the comment after the New York Post reported on Sunday that “moving companies can barely keep up” with the New York City residents who “are fleeing the city so fast because of the pandemic and deteriorating quality of life in the Big Apple.”

Perry Chance of Show Up movers reportedly told The Post on Sunday that even though the company has four of its own trucks, they had to start using U-Haul trucks as well to meet the demand.

“The volume has increased by at least 70 percent” in the past few months, he reportedly added, noting that 25 percent of the company’s customers are heading from New York City to states such as Connecticut and Pennsylvania.

Cain said he thinks Democratic leadership is to blame for the mass exodus.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dean-cain-nyc-becoming-land-of-flee

Posted by: Mao | Sep 4 2020 3:39 utc | 102

@snake | 95
Interesting take, cheers. Have to say it does seem like we're heading in that direction.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 4 2020 4:09 utc | 103

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko claimed that Germany’s statement about Russian anti-corruption campaigner Alexei Navalny’s poisoning is fake, speaking in Minsk on Thursday at a meeting with Russia’s Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin.

"Warsaw was talking to Berlin - they were both on the line. The call was intercepted by our electronic military intelligence. […] We intercepted such an interesting conversation, which clearly indicates that this is a fraud and I will let you read it, we will prepare and send it to the Russian FSB. Navalny was not poisoned,” Lukashenko stated.

He said the falsification was done “in order to discourage Putin from bringing his nose in the internal affairs of Belarus."

"We won't have a peaceful life anymore. I am sure, but you must understand that we are determined to defend our sovereignty and independence, and we will not allow ourselves to be manipulated. Now we understand where the stuff comes from," he stated.

"Without any doubts, we would like to emphasise that Russia fully supports the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Belarus," Mishustin on his part said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-KoyDRaZo

Posted by: Mao | Sep 4 2020 4:48 utc | 104

Good news all around, except the Nalvany/nordstream 2 thing, Germany energy security must not be questioned.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 4 2020 5:12 utc | 105

Trotsky comes to mind...

Though in recent years my memory progressively weakens , i wish to relate a lesson given by Leon Trotsky in one of his autobiographical accounts. Only irrelevant details are changed, yet the lesson remains. He spoke of his early days demonstrating for real change in long-established Tsarist rule.

He used a simple technique, taught him by an older activist, to teach effectively both the semi- and non-literate....sometime to a single listener, sometimes to small groups.

On the ground Trotsky placed a single black bean. "This is the Tsar." and his audience instantly grasped the meaning and got curious. Then LR placed another black bean next to the Tsar, "This is the Tsarina", and now the audience made assenting noises and clearly showed vivid interest...because they could grasp completely the growing play.
Just around this inner core came the beans for Princes/Princesses . Then another bean started a ring of Royal Servants.LR put another bean at a slight distance. "This is the Minister of State Security"..more crowd assentings and focus....Then other beans of Minister This or Minister That were positioned in a circle further from the Royal Family. The crowd assented now with murmurs and recognition of the "The Tsar's Inner Court" and "Outer Court". And so more beans were placed in more distant circles and the crowd recognized the lesser levels of government bureaucracy and The Military, and then even government ministers beyond the Royal Court...and beyond the Kremlin away to the hinterlands.

The crowd glowed with the pleasure that comes with understanding the expanded puzzle. Then. quietly but firmly, LR swept the central beans and all the rings of beans in great swirling/mixing motions. The crowd hushed and gaped as understanding vanished!

Then LR continued..."Now find the Tsar". Just empty stares and dead silence. Some hands and fingers made motions over the beans as though seeking the Tsar. Then some gasped. Then others got it! Then voices were heard giving explanations so others, and all, could share the result with big bright smiles and laughter.

And so spread the new understanding and demands for change, demands for literacy, demands for education, demands for women's equal opportunities, and...and...and then 1915 and finally 1917.

Posted by: Chu Teh | Sep 4 2020 5:28 utc | 106

All this baiting of Russia with election meddling, Belarus meddling and now Skripal 2 getting today's headlines, and yet nobody's talking about why.
Could it be the small population, large landmass and unfathomable natural wealth of Russia that is the attraction? Gas, yes, gold, yes, arable land, yes, and water. Lots and lots and lots of water.

Posted by: Hal Duell | Sep 4 2020 6:10 utc | 107

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 4 2020 2:46 utc | 97

The question you asked was not "why does the us still occupy Germany", but "Why do the Germans still allow it".

Only an incredibly stupid little man wouldn't even be able to remember what incredibly stupid question he originally stupidly asked

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 6:10 utc | 108

The brothel "Pascha," a major landmark in the western German city of Cologne, has filed for bankruptcy, a German daily reported on Thursday.

"We are at an end," the brothels's director, Armin Lobscheid, told local paper Express.

The paper cited Lobscheid as saying that the brothel had used up all its financial reserves during the ban on prostitution imposed during the ongoing pandemic. The brothel operates from an 11-story building and has around 60 staff, including masseurs and cooks.

Normally, some 120 prostitutes also work there on a freelance basis, the paper reported. However, the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, where Cologne is situated, banned prostitution five months ago in one of several measures taken in a bid to curb the spread of COVID-19.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-pascha-brothel/a-54801694

Posted by: Mao | Sep 4 2020 6:44 utc | 109

Regarding vaccines are we so innocent as to presume that it will be left to our choice? When the time is right, vaccines will be made compulsory so that without it you will not be able to step out of your house. All the present incidents are merely setting the stage.
We are living in interesting times indeed.

Posted by: Rao | Sep 4 2020 7:19 utc | 110

I remember reading an article, in Fortune Magazine I think, just after the Dot Com stock market crash and before 9/11.

The article said that the stock market crash was just a blip and inconsequential - that the real problem facing the world was resource contention due to demographics. It said that those problems were a tidal wave of immense proportion and there was no avoiding it. It predicted that sometime, about now, the gloves would come off and that any altruistic posturing was going to be dropped. It said that America and other countries whose populations had been propagandized into moral high ground thinking would have to adjust to an us or them reality.

Posted by: davenitup | Sep 4 2020 10:19 utc | 111

@ Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 6:10 utc | 108

Only an incredibly stupid little man wouldn't even be able to remember what incredibly stupid question he originally stupidly asked

The "stupid" was never part of the question, but all of your own misrepresentation of it.

For the past days you have been vomiting all over the forum. You are always argumentative without actual arguments. You are all insults and no substance. The pattern repeats ad infinitum and ad nauseam.

Most embarrassingly, you are an "idealogue" without "principals". A genuine moran.

The stupid is you, Contra-Conspiraloon.

Posted by: Lurk | Sep 4 2020 10:39 utc | 112

As the bar has been invaded by an horde of far-righters and reactionaries trying to whitewash and sell to us nazism...

https://twitter.com/GurilloJavier/status/1301278593050345477

Bitter Hitler annotations...

"November 29, 1941
"How is it possible that such a primitive people can achieve such technical goals in such a short time?"
August 26, 1942
"As for Russia, it is undeniable that Stalin has raised the standard of living. The Russian people were not starving (at the time of Operation Barbarossa). In general, it is necessary to recognize that: workshops of the importance of the Herman Göering Werke have been built where until two years ago there were only unknown villages. We find railway lines that are not on the maps".

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 4 2020 11:20 utc | 113

That a country like Lithuania commands along with Poland the "democratic uprising" in Belarus is clearly one more of the jokes they are feeding us during the last days of summer...

https://twitter.com/ComisionOctubre/status/1301576965552562176

The far-right drift of the European Union. The Spanish Miquel Puertas is detained in Lithuania for denouncing that homage is being paid in that Baltic country to criminal collaborators of the Nazis implicated in the massacres of Jews during the occupation.

That homage is paid in Lithuania to nazi collaborators and plain nazis is a fact that the Russian authorities are denouncing non stop since years ago. The EU and NATO have nothing to say. Then they find antifascist Belarusian president unadequate for office in spite of having being voted by the majority of Belarusian population....

What the "socialist" government of Spain will have to say will be interesting...Well, in case they find time, Spanish FM seems way too busy trying to defend US interests abroad...

BTW, why have not we heard about the ongoing protests in Bulgaria since months ago?
Not even in this blog...
What happens, that if the protests are against a government who fits "The West" then they do not exist?
Where are the condemnations by Stoltenberg, Borrell, Maas and Pompeo?

https://twitter.com/carlosmartinezr/status/1301556956109443072

Bulgaria passes a law so that those without job qualifications cannot vote. They have done it thinking about the gypsies. This country plus Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia are ruled by the neo-fascist right. Inside the EU and outside the news.


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 4 2020 11:38 utc | 114

The "stupid" was never part of the question, but all of your own misrepresentation of it.


Posted by: Lurk | Sep 4 2020 10:39 utc | 112

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Nah, asking "Why does Germany allow itself to be occupied by the US" was definitely an incredibly stupid question, considering that everyone knows that Germany was roundly defeated in WW1 and utterly destroyed in WW2.

So it's not like they have any choice in the matter of occupation, now is it?

They're not "allowing" it, they've simply got no choice in the matter.

After all they know what's on the menu should they try to free themselves from occupation: Same as last time.

Your silly little friend's attempt to claim that he asked a different question "Why does the US still occupy Germany" was simply compounding his initial stupidity, given that anyone can easily check and see for themselves what the original question actually was.

Asking "Why does the US still occupy Germany" might not be a stupid question, but that's not what he asked.

Asking "Why does Germany allow itself to be occupied by the US" was definitely a stupid question.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 12:32 utc | 115

Jaw dropping drone lightshow in St. Petersburg to commemorate 75th Anniversary of the End of WWII celebrated yesterday in Russia and the world:

https://twitter.com/RusEmbSriLanka/status/1301837743748558848

Those who do not celebrate this great event for humanity, as they regretted the victory of the antifascist forces, used the date to add wood to the fire for a new war they need, as happened then, to resuscitate their decaying economy....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 4 2020 13:00 utc | 116

Great news! Professional medical magazine @TheLancet confirmed Russian vaccine Sputnik V is safe and gives antibodies against the COVID19 virus...

https://twitter.com/TheLancet/status/1301837663021010944

IMO the Navalny Novichoked came way too timely with this announcement most probably known by the competitors....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 4 2020 13:04 utc | 117

There have been a massive leak from Pentagon biolab in Georgia currently being analyzed by Arms Watch volunteers...

https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/1301547512696901634

Wondering whether this also have any relation with the new Novichok story so as to spread squid ink so that some people can justify their "skulduggery" with chemical and biologicla WMD, alleging others also work with them, on the grounds of, as we say here, "the best defense is a good attack"....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 4 2020 13:12 utc | 118

karlof1 @95

The questions about banks and gas above, please take the time to watch this Keiser Report
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There is zero information in that video that answered the questions I asked. Max Keiser conflates depository institutions and Wall Street investment firms just as you do and he probably conflates fracking for oil and fracking for gas just as you do.

Max Keiser is better at socialology than economics. He is trying to sell you bitcoins and thus like all salesmen he paints a picture that is intended to sell his product regardless of the fact that his product is also a Ponzi scheme just as oil fracking is.

Here an interview that Keiser did that reveals how desperately bad his sales patter is when he is confronted by someone who actually understands banking.

https://youtu.be/RyHPtuxS2sk

Posted by: jinn | Sep 4 2020 13:58 utc | 119


here is the Keiser report from the start of the interview
https://youtu.be/RyHPtuxS2sk?t=740

Posted by: jinn | Sep 4 2020 14:02 utc | 120

Given that Max Keiser claims to have worked on Wall St, his explanatory abilities, when it comes to doling out either a macro or micro view of Global Economic issues, leaves a LOT to be desired. And that's putting very mildly indeed.

As jinn points out above, this probably has a lot to do with his need to protect and promote his large Bitcoin holdings.


Anyone claiming knowledge or expertise, based on frequent viewing of Max's self-promotion vehicle "The Keiser Report", would certainly be advised to preface their comments with the disclaimer "The only thing I know about economics is what I'm told by a Bitcoin snake-oil salesman"

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 14:07 utc | 121

For those of you interested in more 'day to day' goings on in Turkey, here's an article that illustrates one aspect of the pressure that civilians are under in a climate where Erdogan's support has waned and continues to do so.
While this article is about brown-shirted Bekeci, "watchmen", keep in mind that since the staged coup Erdogan has foresaken the military and has strengthened the police as his loyal militia, hence it is no coincidence that these Bekici are being drawn from AKP youth wings.
It's a great article written by Kaya Genc who is actually based in Turkey. (Those journalists that have not opted to 'flee to Europe' deserve all our support.

https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5678/watching-the-watchmen

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 4 2020 15:42 utc | 122

More fun with AI: turns out so-called AI scoring of essays is nothing more than having 2 sentences and a word salad. Literally a repurposing of resume filtering programs, in other words:
Mom helps student go from F to A+ student
Edgenuity is the maker of this one - but I doubt they're an exception.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 4 2020 16:02 utc | 123

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 3 2020 19:36 utc | 54

You saying that you believe in "history books"?That's a good one man..so you think the yanks arrived in Germany and saved it?No It's just false..the only relevant thing they made was the mass genocide in Dresden.Killing civilians doesn't allow you to have military bases..

Posted by: LuBa | Sep 4 2020 16:17 utc | 124

You saying that you believe in "history books"?That's a good one man..so you think the yanks arrived in Germany and saved it?No It's just false..the only relevant thing they made was the mass genocide in Dresden.Killing civilians doesn't allow you to have military bases..

Posted by: LuBa | Sep 4 2020 16:17 utc | 124

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Yeah you're probably right. After all, I was told they bombed the shit out of the place but I was in Berlin AND Dresden last week and they both looked fine to me. Didn't see any bombs or dead civilians anywhere.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 16:27 utc | 125

P.s: I never said anything about "saving" it.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 16:28 utc | 126

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 4 2020 13:12 utc | 118

So, it appears that they suspect the Russians:

US Embassy "Appalled" by Reports of Cyberattack against Georgian Ministry of Health

‘Foreign special service’ hacks Lugar Lab and Georgian Health Ministry

Apparently the Russians are deeply interested in the Georgian response to COVID19.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 4 2020 16:45 utc | 127


Contra-Conspiraloon @121
Anyone claiming knowledge or expertise, based on frequent viewing of Max's self-promotion vehicle "The Keiser Report", would certainly be advised to preface their comments with the disclaimer "The only thing I know about economics is what I'm told by a Bitcoin snake-oil salesman"
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Just to be clear:
I like Max Keiser and have listened to him for many years. He has a lot of good things to say
But factual accuracy is not his strong suit.

Posted by: jinn | Sep 4 2020 16:47 utc | 128

Factual accuracy is somewhat important though, if you're gonna claim some sort of economic knowledge or expertise.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 16:54 utc | 129

@karlof1 #95
Finance isn't money, money isn't monetary policy.
The reality is that most bankers have no clue about money or monetary policy - they just know finance.
But to be fair, nobody really does.
I will illustrate with 2 opposing counterexamples:

1) Deflationists/"hard money" proponents. These are the gold bugs, the Bitcoin believers, the "Fed prints money is bad" people.
Yes, the core of their belief is true: that the ability to print/act of printing money devalues the money in circulation.
The problem, however, is that any hard money itself causes many negative effects. In particular, those who have the hard cash, in a negative economic situation, will see their holdings become more valuable but at a huge expense to everyone else and the overall economy. The US Great Depression is a wonderful example of this, as is the movie "Its a wonderful life". Farmer can't get credit to plant crop. No crop equals no income for farmer. No crop = less food so food costs increase even as buying power decreases (less jobs). This is a self-reinforcing spiral at a certain point.
Nor was the Great Depression just an outlier - the origin of the Populist party in the US was in the 1880s, peaking with an attempt at a Populist president with William Jennings Bryan. His famous Cross of Gold speech embodied the attempt to defuse the deflationary spiral of the gold standard by adding silver as a second standard - the book/movie Wizard of Oz is literally a fable built around bimetallism, Dorothy's slippers being changed from silver to ruby by Hollywood.
But fundamentally the issue is that a modern economy requires credit to function. Too little credit - both normal economic operations and opportunities for growth get strangled.
I should also note that a hard money system doesn't itself guarantee no inflation. "Inflation", strictly speaking, means the purchasing power of money is devalued. This can happen by the price of products going up but also by the "value" of a fully gold-backed dollar going down. A "gold standard" can also have oversupply in the gold side: large new discoveries or successful mercantilism are 2 main methods.
In real life, both effects are usually occurring albeit at different levels.

2) Fed/MMT/fiat. This is the mirror image of the above: the focus on removing "limitations to growth" as opposed to minimizing 1 unit of currency's purchasing power loss. Yes, printing money devalues the value of a dollar, people aren't paid in a fixed number of dollars forever.
The price of milk has increased in inverse ratio to the value of a dollar, but people make a lot more dollars today than in the past, in general if not in any given year or even decade.
Thus the issue isn't the "value of a dollar" itself - it is the price of products vs. the growth in income. Income in turn tracks with productivity over long periods of time. Too little investment = lower productivity = prices potentially increasing faster than incomes increase. The shift of US jobs to services over the past 30 years is an excellent example: services productivity growth is inherently much lower than manufacturing or other types of employment where technology can have an impact.

The social and economic problems worldwide are due not to the type of money or even necessarily monetary policy itself - they're due to most of the governments worldwide being captured by specific interests to unprecedented degrees during a time of economic hardship. This capture expresses itself in many negative ways: from outsourcing of US jobs overseas via changes in regulation to increased monopoly via relaxing of FDR era rules to labor law evasion via "tech" like Uber.

And, to be fair, by Americans failing to understand what is happening, how it is happening, why it is happening and to organize against it.

Posted by: c1ue | Sep 4 2020 16:58 utc | 130

I am reading that "bone-spur" Trump is bad mouthing the US military troops, dead and alive. I would think that if Trump is serious about winning the (s)election in November that he might talk nice about his supportive constituents.

It is also a bad idea to bad mouth the folks you are going to order to enforce Martial Law or whatever is dreamed up around the (s)election time frame if there are issues with the results.....I suspect that timing of counting/inclusion of mail-in ballots will be a big one.

What a shit show. Humanity deserves better than the form of social organization in the West with global private finance at the core that have Trump as their Shock Doctrine "Hit Man" on Americans and bully to the rest of the world. You can call the elite Globalists or Nationalist but the reality is that they control the economic lifeblood of the West and most of the world.....and are losing face to the social organization called China with sovereign/public finance at the core.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 4 2020 18:30 utc | 131

"Could it be the small population, large landmass and unfathomable natural wealth of Russia that is the attraction? Gas, yes, gold, yes, arable land, yes, and water. Lots and lots and lots of water."

Posted by: Hal Duell | Sep 4 2020 6:10 utc | 107

Could it be the small population, large landmass and unfathomable natural wealth of Canada isn't enough for them? They truly want to control the whole world. Then what would NATO do without all those horrible countries threatening the west if their plan came to fruition? Silly me, keep an eye on us of course.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 4 2020 18:50 utc | 132

"So it's not like they have any choice in the matter of occupation, now is it?
They're not "allowing" it, they've simply got no choice in the matter.
After all they know what's on the menu should they try to free themselves from occupation: Same as last time."
Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 12:32 utc | 115
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So you speak for the people of Germany?
So you're saying Germany is not an independent Nation and must always be ruled by the Evil Empire USA? If they try and send the US on their way they will be punished and abused more by the US?

US permanent occupations-
Germany
Italy
Japan
South Pacific
Korea
Diego Garcia
Cuba (Guantanamo torture site)
Korea
Iraq
Afghanistan
Syria

I'm sure I missed a few others.

So you, like the US Govt, has no Class, Dignity or Honor. Interesting that other Nations do not continue to play the Imperial Colonizer as the US does. Apparently you approve of the US abusing and occupying nations from a war 75 yrs ago- a war which the rest of the world (except Israel) is trying to heal and move forward with mutual respect.

So you approve of the US permanently occupying the Nations I listed above?

Forget about your dumbfuck sniveling wordplay games- do you actually stand for anything other than being an asshole hypocrite?

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 4 2020 18:55 utc | 133

"After all, I was told they bombed the shit out of the place but I was in Berlin AND Dresden last week and they both looked fine to me. Didn't see any bombs or dead civilians anywhere."
Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 16:27 utc | 125
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75 yrs ago wasn't it?

Wow, it's like you're saying it never happened. What the fuck are you actually saying with that statement?
Are you mentally ill?

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 4 2020 19:02 utc | 134

‘Foreign special service’ hacks Lugar Lab and Georgian Health Ministry

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 4 2020 16:45 utc | 127

If the sheep in the west knew of the extent of US biolabs around the world perhaps they would be a bit more skeptical about Navalny and the Skripal's.


Dilyana Gaytandzhieva
@dgaytandzhieva
·
Sep 3
Arms Watch has been alerted to the massive data leak from the Pentagon biolab in Georgia and we are currently analyzing with our volunteers hundreds of leaked documents

I am amazed they haven't "Serena Shimed" Diyana yet.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 4 2020 19:02 utc | 135

@133


Lol, clam down or you'll have a seizure.

I'm just explaining how it works.

I neither designed nor built it.

It was like that when I got here.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 19:51 utc | 136

The Ottoman empire was defeated in World War I and carved up. Turkey arose from the central part, yet all its offshore islands were awarded to Greece and Italy. After Italy lost World War II, they were transferred to Greece
Here's a visual of the current Turkey-Greece situation. No wonder Turkey is concerned. . .h/t g2mil

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 3 2020 20:56 utc | 63

That's what happens when you loose. Turkey can consider themselves lucky not to have entered WW2 on the side of Nazi Germany or Istanbul would be Constantinople and the Hagia Sophia a Greek Orthodox church. And there is that little thing of the first holocaust of the 20th century that the Turks perpetrated against the Armenians that they still don't acknowledge.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 4 2020 19:58 utc | 137

Big development in the Navalny Saga noted in my comment on that thread!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2020 21:19 utc | 68

Yes, very big. I'm on tenterhooks waiting for more statements from Russia and Belarus detailing this revelation.

How is this for a conspiracy theory. Merkle knows the line of communication to Poland was compromised so used it to destroy the narrative!

Posted by: Tom | Sep 4 2020 20:11 utc | 138

That's what happens when you loose.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 4 2020 19:58 utc | 137

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Someone should explain that to our apoplectic friend @133

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 20:32 utc | 139

@133

Btw: The US is not the only country with troops stationed on German soil.

There are troops from the UK and France still stationed, 75 years after WW2, on German soil.

There are in fact nearly 300 separate individual foreign military staffed and operated installations in Germany, ranging from large troop camps/barracks to small communications posts and storage units.

Cos That's what happens when you lose.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 20:40 utc | 140

Why doesn't Russia still occupy Germany? They actually defeated Ger and suffered more casualties than France, GB and USA combined.

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 4 2020 2:46 utc | 97

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Well it was actually the Soviets that occupied Germany after WW2. They were lead by a Georgian, not a Russian, at the time.

They were then briefly led, for something like 6 or 7 months, by an actual Russian, who was then chucked out in favour of a Ukrainian, followed by yet another Ukrainian.

Wasn't until 1982 that an actual Russian led it again.

Point being they were Soviet.

And the Soviets lost something called "The Cold War".

Which resulted in the break up of the Soviet Socialist Republics (note the plural) into separate constituent Republics. This break up was preceded by the removal of Russian troops from various other countries, Poland, Czechoslovakia, DDR etc. Coa they couldn't afford it, economicallY, politically or militarily.


This was followed by the economic plundering and impoverishment of the newly constituted Russian Republic, by the US, the alleged winner of the aforementioned "Cold War"

And they had to share occupation of Germany ith the Brits Frogs and Yanks Cos they simply weren't quick enough.


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"Why doesn't GB occupy N.Africa, Germany, Italy or the Pacific"

They can't afford the cost of projecting abroad the military force needed to do so, nor does the political nor public will exist to do so since the US took over as imperial big boy.

Btw the Brits got run out of most of the Pacific by the Japs and then were replaced by the Yanks, and couldn't do SFA about it.

They did continue to occupy Hong Kong though, til the lease ran out.
And they got kicked out of Malaysia quite a while ago too.
Waning Military power etc etc.
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Why doesn't France have permanent bases in Germany?

France does. As does the UK.

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You must be a dumbfuck hypocritical American- Yes?

Not even close.

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This is school kid stuff which to be honest you really could have found out for yourself simply by paying more attention in school or even reading a few books. Even a few hours spent on Wikipedia or using Google would have provided answers to all those silly questions of your's .


Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 21:17 utc | 141

More on the intercepted comms between Poland and Germany re Navalny.

"A TRUE ALLY: DEFENDING RUSSIA, LUKASHENKO DEALT THE WEST A SERIOUS BLOW"

Belarus will no longer ship oil through Lithuanian ports but through Russian ports.
And Lithuania scores an own goal again.

https://www.stalkerzone.org/a-true-ally-defending-russia-lukashenko-dealt-the-west-a-serious-blow/

Posted by: Tom | Sep 4 2020 21:18 utc | 142

Whoops

*** ....removal of Russian troops ....

Should of course read : removal of Soviet troops

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 21:23 utc | 143

**** Btw the Brits got run out of most of the Pacific ....

Should =
Btw the Brits got run out of most of their Pacific holdings, which were very small in both number and geographic area ....

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 21:38 utc | 144

Tom @ 142.
Good find.

And this is why I think the US buck is doomed.

Seems almost every dirty trick they come up with backfires.

Posted by: arby | Sep 4 2020 23:21 utc | 145

Make a post on missing children in the us
Check out lesly palacio
This is a major story only now with the us government capturing some of these kids but why the effort now?
Missing Honduran and other Central American children are exploited as well
Cartels may be stepping up efforts since pandemic

Posted by: Gbear | Sep 5 2020 1:27 utc | 146

Below is a posting from Xinhuanet that shows why empire will not be invading Venezuela any time soon.

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BEIJING, Sept. 4 (Xinhua) -- China stands with the Venezuelan people in their fight against COVID-19 and upholds the Venezuelan government's right to safeguard national sovereignty, and national dignity and development, State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Friday.

Wang made the remarks while holding talks with his Venezuelan counterpart Jorge Arreaza via video link.

Noting that Latin America is one of the "epicenters" of the COVID-19 pandemic, Wang said Venezuela is facing the challenge of preventing and controlling the epidemic and resolutely fighting hegemony as well.

China and Venezuela share basically similar views on safeguarding their legitimate rights and interests, jointly supporting multilateralism, and improving global governance, Wang said, adding that China is willing to provide additional help and support in accordance with Venezuela's needs.

Maintaining sovereign equality of nations, resolving disputes by peaceful means, and non-interference in other countries' internal affairs are the most important principles of the UN Charter. But the United States has publicly declared to overthrow the Venezuelan government, and has even escalated its sanctions against Venezuela at this critical anti-epidemic moment, violating the basic humanitarian spirit.

"Any external interference runs contrary to the will of the people, and will not be sustainable," Wang said, adding that China believes that Venezuela has the ability and wisdom to resolve the problems it faces through domestic dialogue and China is willing to play a constructive role in this regard.

Arreaza said Venezuela appreciated China for dispatching a team of medical experts, providing anti-epidemic material assistance, and speaking up for Venezuela on the international stage to oppose unreasonable unilateral sanctions by the United States.

The United States does not want to see the rise of China and emerging market economies. It attempts to delay China's development process and also promote the Monroe Doctrine again in Latin America. These attempts will not succeed, he said.

Venezuela firmly supports the one-China principle and believes that China will succeed in its economic and social reform, said Arreaza.
"

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 5 2020 4:58 utc | 147

Hal Duell @ 107 -- "Could it be the small population, large landmass and unfathomable natural wealth of Russia that is the attraction? Gas, yes, gold, yes, arable land, yes, and water. Lots and lots and lots of water."

And slaves....
who will give birth to more slaves....
and children for pedophiles' use....

Yeah.... MAGA.... Make AnglioZio Great Again !!!!

Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 5 2020 4:59 utc | 148

Posted by: Chu Teh | Sep 4 2020 5:28 utc | 106

Thank you for a most powerful story told with beans.
I can now show & tell using other beans, eg.
-- what if pompous pompass is a bean?
-- what if pelosi is a bean;
-- what if the queen of england is a bean;
-- what if Jews are beans?
-- what if we are all beans, all 7 billion of us?
-- why are some beans more equal than others?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 5 2020 5:11 utc | 149

psychohistorian

thanks for posting that. my thought has been that for the near future, russia and china must grantee the safety of small nations that are resisting the us and five-eyes.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 5 2020 5:46 utc | 150

kiwiklown | Sep 5 2020 5:11 utc | 148 and Duell at 107

Little known [suppressed] history: Henri Dieterding of Royal Dutch Shell was quoted in 1930s as, post WW1, he was organizing action to conquer Russia. The quote, verbatim IIRC, was

"Baku is the finger that points East", along with

"USSR [or Russia or Soviet Union] is the greatest resource prize in history".

NOTE: Dieterding of Royal Dutch Petro. merged abt 1902 with [British]Shell to form Royal Dutch Shell. Dieterding later post-WW1 led attempts for a joint British, German et al invasion...that was apparently interrupted by the US market crash 1929 and ensuing worldwide depression.

[this data from my library "dusty-archive" researches in early 1990s on related matters.]

[also, re 149, you are most welcome]

Posted by: Chu Teh | Sep 5 2020 6:01 utc | 151

138 Tom.

Yeah,I find your conspiracy theory quite plausible.Merkel jumps the bandwagon,like the usual suspects F-UK-US and then makes it fuckup in a very plausibly deniable backdoor way.Isn't she a winner!?
In the mean time propaganda in this case is going strong in the FU(c)KUS cuntries,and really heavily with that,but the scheme is eroded and more and more people skeptic to it.

Posted by: willie | Sep 5 2020 7:48 utc | 152

So much noise and bluster about Novalny - Nord Stream II from thr Atlantic and less expected wruters, but here's a balanced and sane article - perspective is all:

https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/nord-stream-2-dispute-becoming-ever-shriller

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 5 2020 10:11 utc | 153

Sadness for Angela Merkel, nearing the end of a stellar political career, an international politician of the higher orders, builder of diplomatic bridges for the German state, choosing to follow the broad avenue laid out by the mendacity of Theresa May in the Skripal morass of public deception. That no finding of poison whatsoever was found by either Russian or German's early clinical testing, both thorough given instantaneous unsubstantiated claims being laid that poisoning had indeed occurred. Before any claim that employment of a novichok happened, it is imperative to put to rest either a suicidal act or a dangerous political theatrical act transpired, possibly under warrant of certain intelligence agencies. Putting Angela Merkel under severe pressure after she was instrumental in floating a turd in Washington's JCPOA punchbowl. By pulling a Theresa May to unsubstantiated third class laboratory allegations it is time to put a fork in Angela, she is done.

Posted by: Formerly T-Bear | Sep 5 2020 11:29 utc | 154

Irrespective if what Merkel may have said so far, she has as yet resisted the urge to actually do anything.

The proof of the pudding is in the doing.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 5 2020 12:05 utc | 155

According to Grenell in his presser at the WH, the Serbia-Kosovo agreement is about a "whole bunch of stuff" dating 21 years of political fight that the youngest journalists acredited to the WH can neither understand nor grasp...

Well, this part is not difficult to understand even for no journalists...

However, other agreements are part of Trump's interest: Serbia and Kosovo will declare Hezbollah a terrorist organization and will prohibit the participation of "untrustworthy" countries in the 5G network.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1302164396488232960

The agreement also includes the recognition of the State of Israel, with the normalization of relations between Kosovo and Israel. Serbia will move its embassy to Jerusalem.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1302165015164841984

Notice also the achievement of sharing Serbian water resources...recall that water resources are also motives of wars...

Serbia and Kosovo will reestablish the rail and air connection, expand roads, recognize university degrees, cooperate on war disappearances, and study shared management of the important Lake Gazivode, on which the water supply depends.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1302162572729176064

There is an open war for markets, and natural resources, in the post-pandemic world...The Navalny issue fits in this onging war too...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 13:04 utc | 156

@H.Schmatz | 156
Excellent post. Cheers.

Posted by: AtaBrit | Sep 5 2020 13:07 utc | 157

In his Twitter account, MoA asks...related to a violent ousting of clients and smashing of the whole business in a Rochester, NY, restaurant...

What is this behavior supposed to achieve?

https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1302113656096784385

IMO, this is about criminalizing the middle class so that to justify, in the aftermath of the pandemic, and after the next election, the great seizing of middle class savings still remaining in bank accounts and pension funds...

By throwing the working class agsint the middle class, TPTB gain legitimacy to disposses the middle class, seizing which, obviously, will not go ( as the US is not a socialist state except for provision of financial business and Pentagon ), to help the working class, as they are lead to believe, but to sanitize, again, banks balances in the coming scenario of flood of bankruptcies and default on payment of debts...

Of course, going out for dinner in the already present scenario of many people queuing for food at the food banks and when evictions are happening already in the hundreds, becames a risky activity in the USA...One has to be hollow enough to go dinning outside in the middle of a pandemic and announced protests in the city which everybody knows turn into riots is almost all places....What all those well combed young blondes were thinking about?
Unless it is theater...from both sides...to favor a certain political result...inthe elections...The young blondes seemd to be way too quiet in fornt of the violence, none of them went histerics, which would be the natural reaction at least fro some of these kind of "dad´s babies"...

The middle class, as I understand, falls mainly amongst the Democrat electorate, scaring the shit out of them on the grounds that they will not be able anymore to go out enjoying their burgueoise carefree and quiet life, is expected by some that they will turn their vote to the "Law and Order" orange man...even if thsi is made holding their nose....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 14:01 utc | 158

@ Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 14:01 utc | 158

Well, to be fair, the American middle class really has been voting and supporting very noxious pro-Wall Street (as they have stocks and pension fund money there) policies since Bill Clinton, and they have also manifested openly their hatred for Bernie Sanders, so they are kind on the side of the enemy here.

Posted by: vk | Sep 5 2020 14:11 utc | 159

There was a recent article in the NYT about a lack of empathy in society and that we should teach it better in schools. Others questioned whether or not it can be learned or if it is innate.

My own take is that empathy is transcending ego as various teachers...Jesus, Buddha, etc have taught through the ages and that the struggle for man is dealing with the dialect, contradictory truths, that is our existence. We are taught to give 100% in everything and, of course, that logically cannot be done. The human mind cannot handle the contradictions and resulting dissonance.

Everyone wants to broadcast their team jersey these days and test each other for their jersey colors. I see declarations like: I stand with the president, police, military, jesus, etc...and I see other declarations from the opposing sides. What the great teachers have taught us is that none of it matters so much...just love and empathy...person to person...all the other baggage must be left outside.

Some humans have transcended ego and have internal purposes they embrace as ephemeral, others cannot fathom an existence not believing 100% in the purposes they have gathered like so many material objects and which they wear like jerseys. They cannot make their way in life without believing in their purposes so deeply and projecting them onto others.

How can anyone look at the upcoming US election and be proud? Biden may or not be dead already and Trump...is Trump. I grant that some may decide for one side or the other, but the sane emotion should be one of sadness and disgust...not pride. Why must people be so prideful in order to exist?

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to an insane world."

Posted by: davenitup | Sep 5 2020 15:44 utc | 160

The hottest frontier of the Free World: eastern Ukraine. At this time, a ceasefire is in force between Ukrainian Armed Forces and ... something. Separatists? Russian occupation troops? On September 3, the leader of Donetsk republic (part of ... something) issued an ultimatum that UAF should stop expanding fortifications at two segments of the front or ... something ... will open fire. Expanding fortifications violates the ceasefire agreement. Nevertheless, for two days the front lines were quiet.

Today fire was returned, and yet no ceasefire violation was noted by UAF. Even though UAF lost tens of troops, some accounted for, some "lost". Apparently, troops of two UAF brigades started grass fire with the aim of the fire spreading over ... positions. Grass fire in a hot steppe can be quite intense, and indeed, it was. But the wind changed the direction and the fire spread to ammunition stores in both places, resulting in numerous explosions and losses among soldiers trying to stop the fire.

The comments I have seen did not consider why so many "ammunition stores" were accessible to grass fire. I conjecture that the plan was to have them at hand to follow into current ... position as soon as grass fire moves beyond them. Thus stacks of mortar rounds etc.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 5 2020 20:55 utc | 161

AnneR #18

Germany Green party. I wonder how they have taken their position opposing r
Russian piped gas too. Consider Germany shutting down nuclear energy generation and needs a number of alternatives.

I know many Green parties have been the focus of determined entrism and policy sabotage to keep them on the fringe and divided but I do not understand how the German Greens have arrived at this absurd position.

Is the USA pressure all about restarting the nuclear energy sector?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 5 2020 21:13 utc | 162

How can anyone look at the upcoming US election and be proud? Biden may or not be dead already and Trump...is Trump.

Posted by: davenitup | Sep 5 2020 15:44 utc | 160

IMHO, as I watched Republican candidates in 2016, there was no one better than Trump. Perhaps one could find better in sources like

A Descriptive Catalogue of the Monstrosities in the Cabinet of the Boston Society for Medical Improvement (Classic Reprint) Paperback – October 4, 2018

OTH, Biden seems way below field average for Democrats. Perhaps a coincidence. One sage wrote that to be electable as a president in USA, one should have a name with one or two syllables. Nice, youthful, energetic and trustworthy (from the point of view of Establishment) candidates were falling down felt and right, until there were two left, Klobuchar (easy to remember if you have a Slavic backround) and Bootie [something hard to say and remember]. I do not remember how O'Rourke landed in the roadside trash, but Harris got nicely clobbered by a two-syllable (but TOTALLY untrustworthy) Gabbard. And two oldsters, Biden and [heaven forfend! he dislikes capitalists!] Sanders. At that point Biden was "the only choice" (from the point of view of Establishment) and here we are. Two-syllable Harris was removed from a a dumpster for collected roadside trash, and well refurbished, is a trustworthy (see my previous note) complement to Biden.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 5 2020 22:10 utc | 163

One-two syllable for the top of the ticket seems to be helpful outside USA as well. Germany may have a minister like Karl-Theodor Maria Nikolaus Johann Jacob Philipp Franz Joseph Sylvester Buhl-Freiherr von und zu Guttenbergm but Merkel is the Kanzlerin.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 5 2020 22:19 utc | 164

I've only skimmed quickly, don't think the BRICS comments by Lavrov have appeared here. Nathan Mulcahey gives the link on b's current Trump electability thread @ 45 there.

I was interested in a question asked of Lavrov about the so called poisoning case of Nalvalny still not being brought to a conclusion. Lavrov gives a very full account of the current standoff, then makes the following observation about the Skripal case:

"...would like to remind you that when, on the wave of this Russophobic hysteria over the Skripals, our British colleagues compelled most EU countries to expel our diplomats (to which Moscow certainly responded), we confidentially asked the EU members whether the Brits presented any facts in addition to what they publicly reported in the media. We received a negative answer. Facts were not presented but they asked to expel our diplomats and promised that specific information would be provided later. I am not being lazy and whenever I meet with my colleagues, I ask them about the Skripals case when they expelled Russian diplomats based on London’s parole of honour and followed its appeal. I ask them whether they were given the promised specific information in addition to what was publicly mentioned and they again said “no.” Nobody has given any information to anyone...."

Posted by: juliania | Sep 5 2020 22:24 utc | 165

I do not understand how the German Greens have arrived at this absurd position.

@Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 5 2020 21:13 utc | 162

Same that any European Greens....through money...they are almost all Soros´grantees

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 23:06 utc | 166

David Graeber Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology here

Vale great thinker and optimist.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 6 2020 0:46 utc | 167

CitizenX #133 + 134

Thank you, MAGNIFICENT retort. I will shout you a fine Lebanese Arak or two.


H.Schmatz #166

Thank you - ah yes those shiny soros silver shekels are a lure it seems. Same in many other nations too.
My greens lot had to be embarrassed into doing the most mundane obvious. SAD bunch.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 6 2020 3:11 utc | 168

Posted by: Chu Teh | Sep 4 2020 5:28 utc | 106

Thank you for a most powerful story told with beans.
I can now show & tell using other beans, eg.
-- what if pompous pompass is a bean?
-- what if pelosi is a bean;
-- what if the queen of england is a bean;
-- what if Jews are beans?
-- what if we are all beans, all 7 billion of us?
-- why are some beans more equal than others?

Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 5 2020 5:11 utc | 149

THANK you BOTH, great story - beans R us

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 6 2020 3:24 utc | 169

Posted by: Chu Teh | Sep 5 2020 6:01 utc | 151 -- "USSR [or Russia or Soviet Union] is the greatest resource prize in history".

Yuppp. Spoken like the thieving albion that they were, and still are.

Stealing in broad daylight, and globally too. They stole even the salt growing on Indian soil.

And they brazenly boast that the sun never sets on their stealing, remember?

They even have a warehouse to display their stolen goods.

They call it the British Museum.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 6 2020 5:09 utc | 170

Posted by: juliania | Sep 5 2020 22:24 utc | 165 -- "....we ( Lavrov / Russia ) confidentially asked the EU members whether the Brits presented any facts in addition to what they publicly reported in the media. We received a negative answer. Facts were not presented....Nobody has given any information to anyone...."

Not surprising. The perfidious albions, just like the US "leadership", are now not evidence capable.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 6 2020 5:22 utc | 171

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 5 2020 22:10 utc | 163 -- 2 or 4 syllables

Bidet Biden vs Toilet Trump....

The US swamp swirls around the toilet bowl as they show their 'western values' so the other 7 billion can also become 'normal' nations.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Sep 6 2020 5:34 utc | 172

yankistan headlines in rueters

'Armed police supporters and anti-racism demonstrators clashed in Louisville before the Kentucky Derby horse race'

Watching yankistan is as good as watching monty python.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 6 2020 7:49 utc | 173

kiwiklown | Sep 6 2020 5:09 utc | 170

re my #151...minor errata...Deterding's efforts and quoted remarks were mostly in the 1920s [I said 1930s]. I recall that his plans to invade Russia were derailed by the 1930s depression. He was living mostly in Britain wherein were HQs of RDShell.

Re 7 billion beans... I can recall references 50[?] years ago to tentative and crude surveys that 2-3% were total and irredeemable, diseased predators...and a far larger number could not stop themselves from acting-out similarly by being too much under the influences of that tiny cohort. It is almost as if it is by design.

Enough ...it's 2 a.m.

Posted by: chu teh | Sep 6 2020 9:06 utc | 174

H.Schmatz #166

Thank you - ah yes those shiny soros silver shekels are a lure it seems.


----

Quite the lure indeed.

So much so that BLM pockets are reportedly full of those Shiney Soros Shekels.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 6 2020 10:42 utc | 175

Tell us b, what do German attitude surveys reveal of the German relationship with Russia, and how much trust is there in the BND being a servant of the state and not a deep state in waiting.

What do Germans think of the perpetual colonisation of their land, economy and foreign policy?

Do Germans detect the USA pulling a regime change stunt on Merkel?

Do Germans see the refugee influx as a consequence of USA idiocy and meddling?

Please give us some analysis of the homeland point of view.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 6 2020 10:55 utc | 176

"Where does Germany's own interest lie? Is it in being the U.S.'s poodle?"
Posted by: Rob | Sep 3 2020 17:59 utc | 45
...

"I wonder about this as well.

Do Germans realize the "migrant crisis" is a direct result of US destabilizing the Mid-East with the added bonus of destabilizing and dividing Germans as well? Why does Germany allow the US to occupy them and treat them like lapdogs?"

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 3 2020 19:28 utc | 54
...

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 4 2020 2:46 utc | 97

The question you asked was not "why does the us still occupy Germany", but "Why do the Germans still allow it".

Only an incredibly stupid little man wouldn't even be able to remember what incredibly stupid question he originally stupidly asked

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 6:10 utc | 108

...

ContraLoon- You're a pos cocksucker.
You literally twist my words out of context and not even verbatim. Fuck you.

Try not to be too smug in your assumptions. Just because someone asks a question, doesn't mean they don't know the answer. You've probably heard of Attorneys and Professors yes?

You have certainly exposed several things about yourself-

- You don't have the balls to ever state your personal views, but you shit all over the forums here attempting to ridicule and antagonize other views, observations, queries, and thoughts that don't fit your twisted narrative.

- The US is an Empire hell bent on Colonizing and abusing any Nation it can. It has little to do with Wars being "Won".

- There are numerous nations being permanently occupied by the US that never Lost the/a war. Cuba, Korea, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan. Germany can certainly tell the US to GTFO- there is contention as to the Legal grounds for PERMANENT occupation, and certainly ETHICAL considerations. But the US does not give a flying fuck about International Laws or Ethical behavior- much like you.

- The US never "Declared War" against Korea, Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan. How does a Nation actually Lose a War that was never declared and is against International Law? That is an Imperial crime- Not a justified permanent occupation. Iraq has told the US to gtfo, Syria is being illegally occupied in a war never declared. Convenient how you ignore that.

- Who's dick do you actually suck to post your drivel here? Why bother to comment here when you clearly avoid any and all personal viewpoints of your own? Psst- hey fuck face- I already know the answers to those questions.

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/files/publications/icrc-002-4094.pdf

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 7 2020 9:15 utc | 177

"There are in fact nearly 300 separate individual foreign military staffed and operated installations in Germany, ranging from large troop camps/barracks to small communications posts and storage units.

Cos That's what happens when you lose."

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 20:40 utc | 140
...

Cool,
So Germany's punishment for its War Crimes of Aggression is to be permanently occupied by the USA Military to commit its War Crimes of Aggression. Nice that you pointed it out.

I really should have studied more better at schule.

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 7 2020 10:02 utc | 178

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