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September 02, 2020

Navalny Gets Skripaled

Yawn! was my first reaction when I read this. Couldn't they come up with a more believable fairy tale?

The German government says tests performed on samples taken from Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny showed the presence of the Soviet-era nerve agent Novichok.
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Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman, Steffen Seibert, said in a statement Wednesday that testing by a special German military laboratory had shown proof of “a chemical nerve agent from the Novichok group.”

Novichok, a Soviet-era nerve agent, was used to poison former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Britain. It is a cholinesterase inhibitor, part of the class of substances that doctors at the Charite initially identified in Navalny.

Funny how Novichok, the "military grade", "most deadly" poison, never kills anyone.

Where are, by the way, the Skripals? Will Navalny now get vanished just like they were?

Other questions one might ask (and will never get answered):

  • If the Russian state or "Putin" has poisoned Navalny why was he allowed to be flown out of the country?
  • No traces of any unusual substances have been found by the two Russian laboratories which analyzed the blood of the sick Alexei Navalny. Why?
  • While Navalny was allegedly exposed to such stuff why was no one else around him hurt by it?
  • Why was the German government so eager to get Navalny to Berlin?
  • Who has the lead in this anti-Russian information operation? The MI6, the CIA or the Germany BND?

My sense is that the Navalny incident, or at least what is made of it, is a reaction to the failure of the U.S. run color revolution attempt in Belarus. "Russia" must be punished for this.

The hospital in Omsk still has the original blood samples of Navalny.

Is there a neutral international laboratory that could retest those?

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@ Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 4 2020 21:48 utc | 296

Since it was only aired on live TV, it's expected no links to the documents (obviously, as they are fresh intelligence material) exist. Sputniknews would've to record the program and put it on its link.

Posted by: vk | Sep 4 2020 22:24 utc | 301

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 4 2020 21:45 utc | 295

Why would you do a biopsy (which is a very invasive and damaging procedure) on a perfectly fine organ?

Some small tumors may rise some doubts among experienced doctors, but if the organ shows perfect on an MRI, then it is perfect, period.

Posted by: vk | Sep 4 2020 22:27 utc | 302

vk

To test for substances. Liver biopsy is normally taken with a needle as far as I know.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 4 2020 22:34 utc | 303

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 4 2020 22:34 utc | 302

The blood tests came out negative. The organs showed up (probably in an MRI) in pristine condition. 1 million out of 1 million cases a doctor would discard the poisoning (or cancer, or any other disease) immediately, a biopsy not even crossing his mind.

Posted by: vk | Sep 4 2020 22:40 utc | 304

vk

That may be the case. I think part of the rush to get Navalny out of Russia was to ensure little time for more comprehensive testing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 4 2020 22:45 utc | 305

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 4 2020 22:45 utc | 304

It's a matter of physics: a deadly poison will leave an extensive trail of destruction in the human body (organs). That's how poison kills.

There's no mystical poison, a poison that only takes your soul away or a surgical poison. It kills by laying waste on the human body. That's why the Russian doctors didn't need a biopsy to know, with 100% certainty, Navalny wasn't poisoned.

Posted by: vk | Sep 4 2020 23:24 utc | 306

More material, apart from that related to the leak from biolab in Georgia on research, is appearing.
At Stalker Zone there is an article written on the basis of information obtained from converstions held with former deputy defense minister of Kazakhstan, recently dead of Covid-19 infection, about Pentagon´s secret labs in the CIS space...

Former Deputy Defence Minister of Kazakhstan Before His Death Warned About US Bio-Developments

Interesting quote which would place the whole NATO amongst the suspects of poisoning Navalny...

A warning

Unfortunately, the Pentagon’s construction of biolabs in the CIS countries is compounded by the criminal carelessness and irresponsibility of governments and relevant ministries and departments to national security.

Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and Ukraine have handed over to the Pentagon unique collections of combat strains that hundreds of Soviet scientists have been working on for decades.

There is a need to ask the Ministers of Defence, Health, Agriculture, heads of intelligence agencies, and finally governments:

Having handed over unique collections of combat pathogens of the former USSR to the Pentagon, did you receive such ‘gifts’ as a sign of mutual trust?

Of course not. The Pentagon is not stupid. The transferred biomaterials are an invaluable asset not only of our states, but also of the entire world scientific community. The cost of building biolabs is negligible, but the risk of biosafety is huge. In addition, the Pentagon was given a second gift – the construction of biological outposts with the possibility of using biological weapons away from the US.

The very fact of the transfer is an unprecedented betrayal of national security interests and scientific ignorance of the mercantile leadership of these countries, including Kazakhstan.

In the case of bio-attacks or bio-wars, which are carried out only covertly and secretly, and in connection with the emergence of an epidemic or pandemic, quarantine measures will be especially harsher than Peter’s in the 18th century.

Remember, we will have to die together.

Anyway, even before reading this, who wants to stop NS2 at any cost and is organizing the color revolution in Belarus? Whose envoy Tikhanovskaya met in Vilnius?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 0:08 utc | 307

Prior Berman, I appreciate your response to my comment. You are absolutely right. All these people are forever war careerists. Irrational is my personal take. The great-gamers and the hurrahing media see a rewarding logic here and absence of morality sharpens the focus.


Sent from my iPad

Posted by: Australian lady | Sep 5 2020 0:18 utc | 308

@Posted by: vk | Sep 4 2020 23:24 utc | 305

Well...that changed a bit with our famous germ SarsCov-2 causing Covid-19, most of the times undetectable if not by an RX, and sometimes even not enough needing a TAC...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 0:20 utc | 309

@ Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 0:20 utc | 308

SARS-CoV-2 is not a poison. Completely different things.

Posted by: vk | Sep 5 2020 0:45 utc | 310

@Posted by: vk | Sep 5 2020 0:45 utc | 309

Well, as this is for public consum, to justify otherwise unjustified measures agaisnt Russia, I guess we can conclude that the concept "poison" in this case could include a myriad of substances/germs...of intelligence service use...whatever...even may be even fake and Navalny only wanted to retreat to his German villa...

Why there is an special meeting of NATO over this particular individual and not about José Couso when he was shot by US Marine when filming from Bagdad Hotel along with so many others?

Why there were never NATO special meetings when all the terrorist attacks by ISIS which happened on European soil? Were not them an attack against "democracy" and security in Europe?

Was there a thorough independent investigation on each and every of this attacks?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 1:06 utc | 311

maybe merkel wants russian gas at a further discount?

Posted by: CarlD | Sep 5 2020 1:19 utc | 312

TASS reports:


The chief toxicologist of the Omsk region and the Siberian Federal District [of Russia], Alexander Sabaev, said that the poisonous substances, the detection of which in the urine, blood and skin of blogger Alexei Navalny was reported on Friday by the Spiegel magazine, were not detected in the Omsk doctors, who had been in close contact with Navalny for almost two days.

“Why, then, we didn’t find any poisonous substances in any of us? We worked with [Navalny's] blood, urine, and skin for 44 hours. Do you know how many people touched and groped him? A lot. Everyone is safe and sound, no one has been poisoned,” - said Sabaev.

Sabaev also said that the Berlin clinic Charite had not requested the results of analyzes and biomaterials since the removal of Alexei Navalny.

"The clinic is silent for 12 days, does not say anything, does not get in touch with us, is not interested in circumstances, analyzes. We watched over 60 tests in dynamics - they did not request a single one. How the situation developed, where the evidence base of our laboratory - they do not ask for anything. They do not ask about the condition, the last message [from them] was on August 23: "Thank you very much, the patient was delivered." There are no business contacts," - said Sabaev.

Simple obvious things that refute the ridiculous fairytale of an odious German clinic about "poisoning".
Although, Navalny could still have been poisoned... But this could have happened only in Germany.
A good task for Merkel - to figure out how it happened that Navalny arrived from Russia not poisoned, but in Germany he was poisoned with chemical weapons.

Posted by: alaff | Sep 5 2020 2:18 utc | 313

Peter AU1 # 299

Some substance has caused the sudden illness of the Skripals and Navalny, but it is not being detected in blood samples by civilian labs - though it seems to me there is no trace of it in the blood.

Skripals - fentanyl but novihoax according to Porton Down

Navalny - alcohol - according to Navalny's own diabetes admission and his attested consumption habits.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 5 2020 2:58 utc | 314

Trump says he has seen no proof of Navalny poisoning, awaiting German findings
President Trump on Friday cast doubt on the consensus from Germany that leading Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny was poisoned in an assassination attempt in Siberia, saying he is waiting to review the evidence.
“We haven’t had any proof yet,” Trump said during a briefing at the White House.
The president’s remarks came hours after NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said there is “proof beyond doubt” that Navalny was poisoned with the Novichok nerve agent. The NATO head called it a violation of international law that required an international response.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 5 2020 3:10 utc | 315

alaff # 312

Simple obvious things that refute the ridiculous fairytale of an odious German clinic about "poisoning".
Although, Navalny could still have been poisoned... But this could have happened only in Germany.
A good task for Merkel - to figure out how it happened that Navalny arrived from Russia not poisoned, but in Germany he was poisoned with chemical weapons.

Simple even for Merkel to grasp.

A minor Russian political figure of 2% fame travels to Germany for medical treatment and is poisoned on arrival with a Chemical weapon that is the most dangerous invention on earth and is made in many countries.

No one in Russia is affected and no one on the plane flight to Germany is affected.

Therefor the poisoning occurred on arrival as it is a rapid onset chemical weapon (< 15 minutes).

That is an attack on Russia and a gross interference in Russian electoral politics.

The attack was carried out at the superior German medical laboratory.

The German attack on Navalny constitutes a crime against humanity.

What will Merkel do?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 5 2020 3:13 utc | 316

perhaps then the russian doctors at omsk are in on the game. otherwise, whatever navalny took is what was slipped into the skripals.

Some doctors have a belief that if nothing shows up on currently known tests then you are 100% healthy.
It appears some here also hold to the view that if nothing shows on tests then its just a hoax.

vk what is this dumb shit? "It's a matter of physics: a deadly poison will leave an extensive trail of destruction in the human body (organs). That's how poison kills."

what a load of utter fucking shit. Do you not understand anything about metabolism?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 5 2020 4:52 utc | 317

The human body is somewhat like a computer controlled machine with the addition of chemical processes. Before computer control, grease monkey work consisted of looking for broken or worn parts. Now days a machine breaks down and more often than not its an electrical or sensor malfunction and fairy floss technicians with factory computer diagnose the problem.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 5 2020 5:12 utc | 318

Stoltenberg is a figurine in NATO, as he was in the past...when youngster...

Attention to expression, lacking any emotion, in this statement which resembles all the way your typical communiquee read by hostages on behalf of their hijackers ( the ISIS style...which points all the way to the source...), especially when he reads ( inspiring that it is the first time he reads such a note ) the part related to "military nerve...ehhh grade agent"...One guess that the head of a military offensive organization which have not passed a day out of war since its creation, would be able to say that in a shot, without needing to read it or pause while doing it, then, notice how he stops in the middle of the reading, as like he could not give credit....


https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1301920458992951296

Recall also that this man who is in charge of intelligence for the Trump administration, and that during his stay as Us Ambassador to Germany characterized himself by his blunt menaces and twisting of arms until he was replaced....

Also, finally for those here obviosuly without medical formation trying to make a "political diagnosis", statements by Russian especialists who treated Navalny on what procedures took place and what is and is not to be found in biological samples from the patient...

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1301924232331317249

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 12:28 utc | 319

Germany was having increasingly good relations with Russia, favored by common business interchange as well as similar views with respect to JCPOA and other international issues, all of a sudden this chnages...
May be this could be related?

#ElonMusk makes first visit to #Berlin #Gigafactory

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1301882718121156608

"We´re gonna need to hire a lot of people so we really want people to think about coming to work here..."

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 12:44 utc | 320

Don Bacon @ 315

"President Trump on Friday cast doubt on the consensus from Germany that leading Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny was poisoned in an assassination attempt in Siberia, saying he is waiting to review the evidence."

And this is why the Borg hates Trump.
He is not supposed to mess with their bullshit.

Posted by: arby | Sep 5 2020 12:45 utc | 321

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 5 2020 4:52 utc | 317

A poison damages the organs (mainly, the ones which have to metabolize it). If there's no damage in the organs, there's no poison, therefore a biopsy is not necessary. Or do I need to draw it for you?

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 5 2020 5:12 utc | 318

The human body is nothing like a computer. Completely different things.

Posted by: vk | Sep 5 2020 13:41 utc | 322

arby @Sep5 12:45 #321

"President Trump on Friday cast doubt on the consensus from Germany ... saying he is waiting to review the evidence."

That's not "casting doubt". He's taking a very neutral position.

But in the context of anti-Russia/anti-Putin propaganda Trump's hesitancy to immediately condemn Russia is supposed to mean that he favors Russia.

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And this is why the Borg hates Trump.

Nah. Trump is just doing what he's supposed to do as part of the Empire tag team against Russia and China.

!!

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 5 2020 15:24 utc | 323

JR, it will be presented that he is favouring Russia.
He seems, at least to me, to say things without the input of anyone in particular except what he sees on twitter, etc..
That is just my opinion, but backed up by several things I have seen or read like he can't be bothered listening to his advisors on many topics.
To me that suits his personality to a tee.
Let's not forget that he is a stable genius and does not need advice.

Posted by: arby | Sep 5 2020 15:34 utc | 324

Re: Jackrabbit, arby

Borg does hate Trump, and the feeling is mutual. That said, Trump is an imperialist and more often then not, he does what Borg (a.k.a. inter-agency consensus) wants.

To a degree, Trump's election was helped by Borg, when Comey, then the head of FBI, made some very suspicious disclosures about investigations of Hillary in the last days before the elections. But Trump's campaign was targeted too on false premises. They wanted a weak and obedient president, whoever would be elected, with investigations to continue whoever would be elected. Trump is mostly obedient, but egomaniac as he is, he does not enjoy it. Not particularly pathological...

He may have some bad feeling about being manipulated by Haskel with pictures of children and ducks, because the vain stupid cow later bragged about it to NYT. Additionally, attacking him for "wanting to examine the evidence" will fly like a piece of lead. He has his own media machine, and having common sense on his side, it will be difficult to make black out of white. Relying on common sense alone is naive, but when you have a huge megaphone to use it, it should work.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 5 2020 16:53 utc | 325

"Canada is working with Germany and G7 partners on a co-ordinated response to Russia’s attack on a leading political opposition figure."

Lackeys R US

Posted by: arby | Sep 5 2020 17:05 utc | 326

Piotr Berman @Sep5 16:53 #325

Borg does hate Trump, and the feeling is mutual. That said, Trump is an imperialist and more often then not, he does what Borg ...

This is contradictory. Why do they hate each other when their goals are aligned?

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They wanted a weak and obedient president ...

And the Deep State/"Borg" ALWAYS GET ONE!

When do you start to ask if that's because the President is pre-selected?

I mean, why take chances that an elected candidate will not be agreeable or will perform half-heartedly?

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... because the vain stupid cow later bragged about it to NYT.

They are not as stupid as you suggest here. That "cow" has virtually unlimited resources and establishment support. The Deep State/"Borg" may be blindsided from time to time but they don't do obviously stupid things.

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... attacking him for "wanting to examine the evidence" will fly like a piece of lead.

In your rush to support Trump, you fail to recognize that THAT IS THE GAME: Trump pretends to support Russia (and Democratic Party-friendly media attack him for it), and Democrats pretend to support China (and Republican Party-friendly media attack them for it).

Caitlin Johnstone has explained the foreign policy tag team:

Liberal NPCs Hate Russia, Conservative NPCs Hate China

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 5 2020 17:49 utc | 327

from Xymph

"
Tweet (Mark Ames):

"Just heard Amb Michael McFaul equate Navalny—former co-organizer of annual skinhead "Russkii March"—with Gandhi, MLK, Mandela. Amb McFaul also leads a NATO org that fights "Russian disinformation." We're in funnyland folks.""

Posted by: arby | Sep 5 2020 18:14 utc | 328

Posted by: arby | Sep 5 2020 17:05 utc | 326

Thanks for the article. I can't bear to read any Canadian MSM as aside from puking at my age I need to reduce my chances of a stroke. From the article

“More sanctions but in a co-ordinated way, which includes expulsion of diplomats and closure of diplomatic posts _ even suspending landing rights for Russian registered aircraft,” said Bociurkiw."

Closing of diplomatic posts will be tit for tat. The Canadian diplomatic posts should be turned into museums showing the crimes against aboriginal peoples and the third world, with a special wing dedicated to Canada's support for Nazi's and our infamous PM in waiting Ms. Freeland's family ties to Nazi Germany.

Sanctions? Russia says bring them on. It has made them stronger. And Europe, enjoy your fracked gas. It's more expensive, fraught with financial risks and the country that is willing to provide you with freedom gas has threatened you with sanctions and would use LNG without a second thought, whereas I can't think of a time when Russia or the USSR has used energy supply as a geopolitical weapon. The only instance I can recall when the supply of gas to Europe from Russia has been threatened was from a third party (Ukraine).

And TU-95'S don't need no stinking landing rights, cause this is where this shit show is heading.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 5 2020 19:54 utc | 329

I was surprised reading that Merkel was expecting the information coming from his FM so as to fulfill the requests of the Russian counterpart related ot the findings of German doctors and toxicologists...related by Lavrov in recent statements...

Immediately I thought why in the Earth the German FM could be delating this info to be delvered to the Russians...German FM is Heiko Maas, an SPD member, and thus from a different party from Merkel´s, who recently, just since 2016, partnered in his personal life with famous German actress Natalia Wörman, trained as actress at the US´famous Lee Strasberg Academy...

You know, never felt the impulse to search about Maas personal life, nor I am an usual reader of gossip press, he seems to me a quite grey guy, without too much charisma...I took a look at some photos of him from the last years and noticed he has reshaped and clearly rejuvenated his appearance lately by changing his hairdo and spectacles along with his clothes style....It seems that all this also carried out a change of partner..or viceversa....To see what more it changed...

But well, could also be only the typical men´s crisis of the 50s...and I am an illthought...

I divagate on this because I can not stop thinking what could motivate this apparent sharp u-turn of Germany´s tendence in geopolitics..wondering whether there exists some more compromat, apart from that already known on Merkel from the bugging of her phone by US NSA...

I very doubt Merkel in her last mandate would be such pressurable...well, she does not seem that kind of woman, I mean the one who would risk her political trajectory and legacy with this move which clearly muddies the recently gained trust amongst Germany and Russia, at least at business level...to follow the US in their crazy procedure...All the more having witnessed their stance on the Skripal case...

But... what about the rest of her cabinet...people whith longer prospects...who well may be aspiring becoming EU burocrats...That..always has a price...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 20:38 utc | 330

Well UK flag just appeared in today´s women´s march in Minsk...

https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1302308686547824646

The connection with the Skripalyi tightens...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 5 2020 21:23 utc | 331

My apologies if this video has been posted already. File under We lie, cheat and steal.

Full video: Renowned French security expert Paul Barril has let loose a bombshell: the existence of Operation Beluga, a covert Western intelligence scheme intended to undermine Russia and president Putin:

I think we can the operation is still continuing and has expanded to bioweapons.


https://youtu.be/18tW6iza1x8

Posted by: Tom | Sep 5 2020 21:30 utc | 332

Renowned French security expert Paul Barril has let loose a bombshell: the existence of Operation Beluga, a covert Western intelligence scheme intended to undermine Russia and president Putin

Posted by: Tom | Sep 5 2020 21:30 utc | 332

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Is that really a bombshell?

Other than the alleged name, who here didn't know?

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 5 2020 21:52 utc | 333

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 5 2020 21:52 utc | 333

It was at the time (2016?0 Just a reminder that past operations have not ended, but have been revised.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 5 2020 22:43 utc | 334

Tom @332

Thanks so much for that link. It should be required watching for all Westerners.

Posted by: Schmoe | Sep 5 2020 22:44 utc | 335

Paul Cockshott | Sep 2 2020 16:13 utc | 8

Dawn Sturgess is reported to have died of novichok.

Novichock is supposed to be lethal in seconds, in tiny doses. Dawn S. spilt a lot of whatever was in the bottle, over her hands in opening it and went and washed it off. She died the next day. See the inconsistency?

Posted by: foolisholdman | Sep 12 2020 21:30 utc | 336

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