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Navalny Gets Skripaled
Yawn! was my first reaction when I read this. Couldn't they come up with a more believable fairy tale?
The German government says tests performed on samples taken from Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny showed the presence of the Soviet-era nerve agent Novichok.
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Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman, Steffen Seibert, said in a statement Wednesday that testing by a special German military laboratory had shown proof of “a chemical nerve agent from the Novichok group.”
Novichok, a Soviet-era nerve agent, was used to poison former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter in Britain. It is a cholinesterase inhibitor, part of the class of substances that doctors at the Charite initially identified in Navalny.
Funny how Novichok, the "military grade", "most deadly" poison, never kills anyone.
Where are, by the way, the Skripals? Will Navalny now get vanished just like they were?
Other questions one might ask (and will never get answered):
- If the Russian state or "Putin" has poisoned Navalny why was he allowed to be flown out of the country?
- No traces of any unusual substances have been found by the two Russian laboratories which analyzed the blood of the sick Alexei Navalny. Why?
- While Navalny was allegedly exposed to such stuff why was no one else around him hurt by it?
- Why was the German government so eager to get Navalny to Berlin?
- Who has the lead in this anti-Russian information operation? The MI6, the CIA or the Germany BND?
My sense is that the Navalny incident, or at least what is made of it, is a reaction to the failure of the U.S. run color revolution attempt in Belarus. "Russia" must be punished for this.
The hospital in Omsk still has the original blood samples of Navalny.
Is there a neutral international laboratory that could retest those?
Uncle Tungsten @ 115, Peter AU 1 @ 117:
You may both be looking for this Zhurnalisticheskaya Pravda interview with Dmitry Petrovsky: “Dmitry Petrovsky: Charite Clinic shows amateurism in conclusions on Navalny”
What they found in Navalny cholinesterase inhibitors after being in intensive care is normal. They should be in the man who was in intensive care and was on ventilator. If they weren’t there, it would be strange, I’d be surprised.
Tonight, doctors of the German clinic “Charite” found in the blood of blogger Alexei Navalny substance, which, in their opinion, could provoke his illness, and hastened to announce the poisoning. However, in Russian practice, this substance is widely used to prevent disorders that developing in patients on ventilator.
German doctors found in Navalny substance – cholinesterase inhibitor.
“The effect of the toxin, i.e. the inhibition of cholinesterase in the body, has been proven several times in independent laboratories. According to the diagnosis, the patient is treated with an antidote to atropine. The outcome of the disease remains unsafe and the subsequent effects, especially in the nervous system, cannot be ruled out at this time,” the statement obtained [by Izvestia reads].
Deputy of the municipality of Yaroslavl, M.D., surgeon Dmitry Petrovsky commented on this “find” of German colleagues.
“Cholinesterase inhibitors are widely used medicines in medicine. Basically, they are used in the postoperative management of patients, when transferring to independent breathing. That’s what Navalny had. He was first on ventilator and when trying to translate it, could use the drug Proserin. It is a cholinesterase inhibitor that is officially administered to all patients when transferred to independent breathing. It must be used. I think it was used. But I also understand that, most likely, he had to shine as Proserin’s German colleagues. Perhaps used not Proserin in its pure form, but another drug, more rare – Ubretide, which is also an absolutely official drug, which is used in intensive care, in postoperative practice to prevent bladder atony, to prevent bowel atony and, accordingly, widely used. But, I admit, it can be used little in Germany, and it was not in the toxicology kit, so they could be surprised, and because of this all the cheese-bor.
What they found in Navalny cholinesterase inhibitors after being in intensive care is normal. They should be in the man who was in intensive care and was on ventilator. If they weren’t there, it would be strange, I’d be surprised.
When a person breathes with the help of the ventilator, various disorders develop, including respiratory, cardiovascular, with the intestines, with the bladder. Various drugs are used to prevent these disorders, including cholinesterase inhibitors. And if the doctor finds them in the analysis of the person after a stay in the operating room and concludes that he was poisoned, then the conclusion is: either it is a political order, or an illiterate doctor,” Dmitry Petrovsky said in a commentary for “Journalist Truth”.
The interview was machine-translated so parts of it may read strangely.
Latvian-based media organisation Meduza has now published an interview with one of the physicians who helped treat Navalny in Omsk: ‘We’re in the business of saving lives, get it?’
One of the ICU doctors who treated Alexey Navalny in Omsk explains how Russian physicians handled the case and why he thinks activists’ criticism is unfair.
Boris Teplikh, the head of the Anesthesiology and ICU Department at Moscow’s Pirogov National Medical and Surgical Center, was one of the doctors summoned to consult on Alexey Navalny’s treatment in Omsk, after the opposition politician needed hospitalization and slipped into a coma on August 20. Teplikh then returned to the capital and wrote a Facebook post where he defended his Russian colleagues’ decision to delay Navalny’s transfer to Berlin and their reluctance to rush a diagnosis. Doctors in Omsk ultimately concluded that Navalny’s condition was due to a “carbohydrate imbalance.” Navalny’s family and fellow activists, meanwhile, insisted from the start that he was likely poisoned — a suspicion later confirmed by doctors at the Charité Clinic in Germany. Meduza special correspondent Svetlana Reiter spoke to Boris Teplikh about his work in Omsk and the chances that Navalny was poisoned …
Boris Teplikh’s responses suggest that Navalny did indeed have metabolic issues leading to his falling into a natural coma and that the doctors in Omsk extended that coma to do the testing and to stabilise his condition.
Posted by: Jen | Sep 3 2020 0:42 utc | 149
Wauw b, another coverage of Navalny where you trully show your colours again. Intelligence (orders) are a bitch, ain’t they? 🙂
Such a simple answers to all your basic questions:
– the Skripals are in New Zealand. DYOR !
– the Kremlin cannot stop a citizen leaving the country, but stalling the doctors to release the patient was an option. Exactly what happened
– expecting test results from Russian laboratories that are not manipulated by the Kremlin? A bit naive, are you?
– a very small dosis in hot tea that Navalny just drinks by himself, easy right?
– a Pussy Riot member – another discredited Kremlin person perhaps? – was saved in this same hospital a few years ago, also after being poisoned and offerded the same live saving solution for
– the only operation that happened is the poisoning of Navalny and the on going operation saving his life medically and protecting him from more danger
You have certainly unleashed all the trolls, mostly.during Russian office hours of course, except if you live physically in Germany
Posted by: Vladimir | Sep 2 2020 22:19 utc | 125
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High quality work, Vladimir! Color me impressed (colour?)
Lets go from the top.
1. Skripals in New Zealand. True? If you believe everything printed/posted on-line by British “quality press”. But according to New Zealanders…
It was a report in the largest-selling British national newspaper, with a circulation of 650,000, in the ‘quality press’ market category distinguished for its seriousness (Sunday Times).
And it gave credence to similar reports that the Skripals were looking to relocate to Australia or New Zealand “to start a new life” that surfaced in the Daily Mail in March.
With little further elaboration within the fresh Sunday Times report, the possibility of the Skripals becoming Kiwis was pressed to Jacinda Ardern that same day on June 8.
“I think what I can say is don’t believe every piece of speculation that you read,” the Prime Minister said.
The slightly cryptic refusal by Ardern to outright deny the claim is typical of diplomatic intelligence lingo, say intelligence experts.
2. the Kremlin cannot stop a citizen leaving the country, but stalling the doctors to release the patient was an option. Exactly what happened
Number one, you need an exit visa to leave Russia. Stopping someone from leaving by a plane is simplicity itself. Number two, doctors did not stall much, if a patient is in a critical condition, it takes some observation and testing to allow a long airplane trip, so I do not see how they could release him faster.
3. Russian labs –> not run by the new, improved OPCW, so not the worst in the world.
4. – a very small dosis in hot tea that Navalny just drinks by himself, easy right?
Lot’s of practice, Vladimir, eh? Or it is armchair warrior writing? Navalny with groupies enter the airport lounge. In my village airport there is but one spot to get tea, but Tomsk has more than 100k people in the metro area, so probably there are more. So the boss with groupies sit down at a table, and a groupie goes to get tea in a plastic cup. Now to know that this would happen, and who will drink it? For that matter, what would happen if the groupie ask for a tray of drinks including more than one tea — not a rare choice of a drink in Russia. Would the plan unravel? According to an article, groupies of Navalny were remarkably conspiratorial and paranoid, and Navalny himself had quite original taste, like eating sushi at 11 pm. Why they did not bring a tea favored by the boss in a thermos bottle? (I avoid drinking airport tea if possible. A thermos bottle with my own tea bags is a must for me, just get the hot water. Tea may be better in Tomsk than in USA, I grant you that, but …)
Would the powers to be in Tomsk need to replace everybody in the food service of Tomsk International to enact this plan discretely, without poisoning everybody? That would not be that discrete. But can you simply order people untrained in preparing poisons in a split of a second (select a teabag with Novichock brand surreptitiously placed in a teabag box, not mixing it with the stuff for the regular passengers? They should not be very visibly marked…).
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 3 2020 3:25 utc | 164
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