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September 01, 2020

Election 2020 - The Color Revolutions Are Coming Home

Yesterday the presidential candidate for the Democratic Party Joe Biden was allowed to leave his basement for a "campaign event" in Pittsburgh.


Here is one of the curious things he said (vid):

"Covid has taken this year, just since the outbreak, has taken more than 100 year, look, here's, the lives, it's just, when you think about it."

As Caitlin Johnstone sarcastically commented:

It's a good thing Obama intervened to coalesce the party against Bernie Sanders during the primaries or else they might have nominated an unelectable candidate.

During his speech Joe Biden rejected accusation that - if elected - he would implement policies that most Democrats favor:

"I am not banning fracking," Joe Biden says in his speech in Pittsburgh. "Let me say that again. I'm not banning fracking, no matter how many times Donald Trump lies about me."

A pro-Trump super PAC has aired ads in Pennsylvania falsely claiming Biden wants to ban fracking.

The same holds of course for Medicare for All.

Biden also said:

"Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting."

To which Kyle Kulinski remarked:

No normal human being with half a brain thought Joe 'crime bill' Biden was pro rioting and looting. But now he breathes life into the smear with this crap.
They have the political instincts of a dead gopher.

And Alan MacLeod snarked:

2020 election is like:

Trump's team: "Biden is a radical who'll give you healthcare, promote racial justice and fight the billionaires."
Biden: "I promise you I will do none of those things."

Biden is taking political positions that are way more conservative than his party's base. That may win him some republican votes but it also makes sure that the more progressive voters will not turn out or will vote for some third party candidate. 

Asides from that it is obvious that Biden has some mental problem. That is likely the reason why the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi urged him not to debate Donald Trump:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Thursday that former Vice President Joe Biden cancel his three scheduled debates with President Trump because the commander-in-chief would "belittle" the forum and engage in "skullduggery."

"I don't think that there should be any debates," Pelosi said out of the blue at a news conference at the Capitol, saying she doesn't want the debates to be "an exercise in skullduggery."

"I wouldn't legitimize a conversation with him, nor a debate in terms of the presidency of the United States. Now I know that the Biden campaign thinks in a different way about this."

The Biden campaign indeed wants three debates between Biden and Trump:

"As long as the [debate] commission continues down the straight and narrow as they have, I'm going to debate him," Biden said, adding that he'd call out any Trump lies in real-time.

"I’m going to be a fact-checker on the floor as I’m debating him," he added.

The quotes above demonstrate that such a "fact checking" strategy for Biden comes close to political suicide. If there are live debates between Biden and Trump the more confused old man will lose out. That is - for now - Joe Biden.

The Democrats know that. They are preparing a well known tactic to snap some victory from the likely defeat. As we described in a piece about Belarus some months ago:

Color revolutions are usually launched over controversial elections. The results are publicly put into doubt even before the election begins. When the results finally arrive western media will claim that they diverge from the expectation it created and therefore must have been faked. People will be pushed into the streets to protest. To increase the chaos some sharp shooters may be put to work to fire at the police and at protesters like it was done in Ukraine. The revolt ends when it is flogged down or when the U.S. favorite candidate is put into place.

If one replace 'U.S. favorite' with 'borg favorite' one can foresee how such a situation might develop.

Democrats under Hillary Clinton advisor John Podesta have war-gamed such scenarios. Their "Transition Integrity Initiative" report presumes, without much basis, that Trump will steal the November election:

Like many authoritarian leaders, President Trump has begun to lay the groundwork for potentially ignoring or disrupting the voting process, by claiming, for instance, that any mail-in ballots will be fraudulent and that his opponents will seek to have non-citizens vote through fraud. Similarly, he has frequently expressed the view that he is entitled to additional time in office and that his opponents are seeking to steal the election.

Diana Johnstone has looked at the details of the report. She concludes:

The classic regime change scenario involves a contested election, mass street demonstrations including civil disobedience and finally, military intervention.

So, to start with, the gamers posit an authoritarian leader who won’t step down. That’s Trump.

Next, “a show of numbers in the streets – and actions in the streets – may be decisive factors in determining what the public perceives as a just and legitimate outcome.” In an interview, stressing “the flaws in our electoral system,” Transition Integrity Project organizer Gilman said that what we need “is for people to be prepared to take to the streets in nonviolent protest” if appeals to officials do not suffice.

“We’ve learned over the last couple of months, since the Movement for Black Lives protest really took off again in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, that taking to the streets and showing commitment to a democratic process beyond just the ballot box is a really important part of driving change.” The demonstrations must be nonviolent, Gilman stressed.

As the Transition Integrity Project report put it, “the scale of recent demonstrations has increased the stakes for the Democratic Party to build strong ties with grassroots organizations and be responsive to the movement’s demands.”

The Democrats are ready to litigate the election as long as possible:

Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden told supporters Wednesday night his campaign assembled a team of 600 lawyers to fight against efforts he expects from President Donald Trump to limit voter participation in the upcoming election.

The former vice president made the remark when asked at a fundraiser what he planned to do to address the "very real concern" that the president would try to suppress the vote.
The team of 600 lawyers, along with 10,000 volunteers, would be in every state to figure out if any "chicanery is likely to take place."

A week ago Hillary Clinton urged Biden to not concede the election "under any circumstances":

[Clinton] said this year’s election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, “Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out.”
“Eventually I do believe he will win if we don’t give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Clinton said.

The task to preemptively seed doubts over the election results fell to a company that serves the Democrats' campaigns:

A top Democratic data and analytics firm told "Axios on HBO" it's highly likely that President Trump will appear to have won — potentially in a landslide — on election night, even if he ultimately loses when all the votes are counted.
Way more Democrats will vote by mail than Republicans, due to fears of the coronavirus, and it will take days if not weeks to tally these. This means Trump, thanks to Republicans doing almost all of their voting in person, could hold big electoral college and popular vote leads on election night.
"When every legitimate vote is tallied and we get to that final day, which will be some day after Election Day, it will in fact show that what happened on election night was exactly that, a mirage," [Hawkfish CEO Josh] Mendelsohn said. "It looked like Donald Trump was in the lead and he fundamentally was not when every ballot gets counted."

It seems clear that the Democrats will contest the election unless Joe Biden wins an electoral college majority. If Trump wins they will draw out any concession until the last mail in vote is counted and litigated through the last level of jurisdiction. They hope that the accompanying media attention, social media marketing and street action will wear down the support for Donald Trump.

The Democrats have already bought an echo chamber that will amplify whatever claim they will make:

The group, Defeat Disinfo, will use artificial intelligence and network analysis to map discussion of the president’s claims on social media. It will seek to intervene by identifying the most popular counter-narratives and boosting them through a network of more than 3.4 million influencers across the country — in some cases paying users with large followings to take side.

The large tech companies will work on the Democrats' side:

Facebook is preparing steps to take should Mr. Trump wrongly claim on the site that he won another four-year term, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Facebook is also working through how it might act if Mr. Trump tries to invalidate the results by declaring that the Postal Service lost mail-in ballots or that other groups meddled with the vote, the people said.

Street action will be implemented by well financed groups:

The Open Society Foundations, the philanthropic group founded by the business magnate George Soros, announced on Monday that it was investing $220 million in efforts to achieve racial equality in America, a huge financial undertaking that will support several Black-led racial justice groups for years to come.
Of the $220 million, the foundation will invest $150 million in five-year grants for selected groups, including progressive and emerging organizations like the Black Voters Matter Fund and Repairers of the Breach, a group founded by the Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II of the Poor People’s Campaign. The money will also support more established Black civil rights organizations like the Equal Justice Initiative, which was founded by the civil rights lawyer Bryan Stevenson and depicted in the 2019 movie “Just Mercy.”

The Open Society Foundations will invest an additional $70 million in local grants supporting changes to policing and criminal justice. This money will also be used to pay for opportunities for civic engagement and to organize internships and political training for young people.

With so much money in play a lot of people can be incentivized to take to the streets. These will be 'peaceful protests' but rioting may happen alongside them just as it did for the last 95 days in Portland and in many other places.

The Democrats have chosen an extremely weak candidate. To still have a chance to regain the presidency they are preparing for a strategy that is similar to the color revolutions the CIA has for many decades used against unwanted foreign governments.

Just like the weapons and tactics of foreign wars have found their way back into the streets of U.S. cities the color revolutions the U.S. applied elsewhere are now coming home.

I see no sign that Trump will sincerely contest the election should the vote be clearly against him. But the race is tight and the outcome will likely be decided in a few contested states. The Democrats are willing to battle for each of them. How can Trump respond to their plan to win a contested outcome by the means of a color revolution no matter what?

The best policy is likely to take the high ground and to expose the Democrats' campaign for what it is.

But Trump being Trump will not have the patience to sit through the process. He, and his supporters, will likely counterattack with all the means they have.

The lively street actions of the recent weeks may in retrospect look like the quiet before the storm.

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@Caliman | Sep 2 2020 4:24 utc | 98

The only thing close to democracy possible is in small and highly functional societies ... No bigger than the Scandinavia nations or Switzerland. Us USians don't have a chance other than perhaps at the local level.

Democracy is not possible in a small country when 100% of the politicians are puppets of the Hegemon and trotting out the same lies about "climate change" and suppressing you with Covert-1984. A small country like mine is not independent. An anecdotal example was when I opened a new bank account in a local bank the other day, I had to answer questions such as "Do you plan to stay longer than 6 months in the US?" and several other similar offensive "questions" relating to the US. The bank has no relation to the US and the last time I visited there was the month that Richard Nixon died.

Democracy today is just a technique for control.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 2 2020 5:59 utc | 101

Plenty of money available for ANY candidate that pleases the "big six" artificial NYSE high flyers most: the FED supplies 0% interest for stock purchase to some banks, till election? Alphabet (parent of Google), Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Microsoft and Netflix.

Posted by: antonym | Sep 2 2020 6:59 utc | 102

The mafia Don turns up at Kanosa !

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2 2020 7:23 utc | 103

The chicken is coming home to roost. Well, about time.

Posted by: Steve | Sep 2 2020 7:36 utc | 104

When is b going to open a can of whoopass on corona?!

There is a real virus and there is a real scam, am absolutely not implying the virus isn’t real.

But seriously?! Parts of Australia are in effective martial law based on 663 deaths. You need to be commenting on this craziness b!!!

Posted by: Rae | Sep 2 2020 7:42 utc | 105

No wonder why they say that Trump is backed by the Russians.
The (not so)subtle support for trumpie is pretty evident in this piece.

Posted by: brandon | Sep 2 2020 8:27 utc | 106

I have been saying since 2016 that if Trump is elected to a 2nd term, we will indeed have AT LEAST one new war, probably on Iran. And people like me - who have realized our voice means nothing to those in charge of waging these wars or selling their merits to the American people will continue to be full of piss and vinegar. Trump's anti-war supporters will, of course, become Hyper Patriots or worse, and the "you're either with us or you're a terrorist sympathizer" stuff will be trotted out again on steroids.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 2 2020 3:45 utc | 97


And that would still make him only 5 or 6 wars behind Obama whom you have already defended on the basis of his abysmal war record.

Re: my point, which appears to have gone right over your head, was that it wasn't really 'piss and vinegar'if it disappeared so suddenly once Obama became war-maker-in-Chief.

And disappear it did. So all it was all along was idiots of no-principals-whatsoever being lead by the nose via media campaigns.

Therefore no different and just as guilty of what you are accusing Trump supporters.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 2 2020 9:13 utc | 107

@Rae | Sep 2 2020 7:42 utc | 105

But seriously?! Parts of Australia are in effective martial law based on 663 deaths. You need to be commenting on this craziness b!!!

The way I read his commentary on this issue leaves me with the clear impression he is all for what you are describing. I would be love to be corrected on this though.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 2 2020 9:45 utc | 108

@Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 2 2020 2:52 utc | 93

All rigged, TPTB want Trump reelected, thus your vote means nothing, otherwise why they would allow Biden in prime time doing this? Who drugs this poor old guy? A shame that his family allows using the man this way, the medical community should have a say in this, but, well, in the US the medical community i mainly for profit, and taking care of an elder patient´s rights does not give money...BTW, do not know whether this video is real or has been manipulated in some way...Anyway, people so old should not run for presidency, obviously...Trump is also too old...

the owrst news is that what you have as other choice is pure fascism...See here how the Trumpsters arrived in Portland provoking the crowd, ramming into the protesters and spraying pepper gas ( where they get the pepper gas from is a question a serious police should do...I fear it is no avaialable to public...)Thus they were expecting a violent response all the way...I bet for a preprared killing so as to push Trump´s "Law and Order" campaign...when what he sows is "unlaw and disorder" by his and his followers´ continuous provocations...t is not true that Trump followrs are people of "law and order" as the images clearly prove...

IMO, both candidates self-eliminate themselves by their sheer incompetency, thus, you will be left with the only choice of a technocratic government at certain point of the coming legislature in front of the growing chaos and poverty, a la Lebanon, but being the USA in your case formed by no others that financial capitalists, expect a representative of BlackRock or similar as next president...Fascism on the go...This has been delivered by the two partisan system...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 10:19 utc | 109

@Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 10:19 utc | 109

Of course, to have a BlackRock government in "The land of the free and the brave"v you will need to be impossed previously a martial law, and there enters into play the organized riots to bring it in.

With this I am not saying there are no people legitimately protesting in the US streets, the lack of care with balck lives is well as the lack of care during the can do it worse or better, with a situation no one has expereinced in a century, but at least you need to try it...and the people needs to see you tried it...

After the technocratic government is impossed you will see the genuine protests, not those fueled by Soros, only these protesters will be erased from the face of Earth at that point, recall that fascism transform you into an ant to be crushed. Then a real resistance will be organized underground.
It will be interesting to watch which side they join the Trumpsters...especially those waving the Constitution one day after another from their blogs...., bet for them going into the storming troops of the technocrats...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 10:31 utc | 110

I'm aware there is a possibility that this comment ages horribly - we live in eventful times and things such as this, like the election of Trump itself, always seem impossible until they actually happen, then become inevitable in retrospect...

But I'm not sure what would encourage the democratic party to do such a thing. What's the point? What are they losing with a Trump presidency? What would cause the donor base of the democratic party to pressure the party to enact such a potentially dangerous maneuver? It makes no sense to me. Both parties have more or less the same type of donor base - the major economic players of the US economy donate to both parties - with only slight variations due to historical peculiarities. Is Trump in any way a danger to the democratic party? It seems like they love Trump, he's allowed them to spend the last 4 years doing absolutely nothing of substance while pretending to be heroes on TV and fundraising off of this media spectacle. All while the Trump administration is lining all their pockets; major dem donors are benefiting from his economic policies all the same, because his policies serve finance capital above all.

Furthermore if they were so worried about losing why would they choose Biden, who showed clear signs of cognitive decline months prior to the democratic party elections, over someone like Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, or even Bernie Sanders? Sure the dem leadership was against Sanders, but if the democratic party was so worried about Trump that they would risk unprecedented, unpredictable damage to the executive line of succession surely they would, before this, be willing to risk having to keep a president Bernie Sanders in check (something they could easily do). His proposals were not that radical and after making their way through the "checks and balances" they could be altered to be tolerable to the democratic party when compared to this Trump presidency they are apparently so averse to.

I could see if Trump had a bunch of political outsiders in his administration, people who haven't gone through the traditional political institutions and selection process and are as unpredictable as he is, but his administration has been firmly in the control of these people.

The only possibility of a military coup I can see at this point is in a scenario where the political dysfunction of the dying empire continues to be entirely incapable of dealing with major economic crises caused by the post-2008 economic house of cards and by coronavirus to the extent that such crises threaten the ability of the empire itself in the face of a rising Eurasian economic-political order led by China/Russia. Then I think it would be the military that would step in as the "adult" in the room, the most trusted institution of the state, and the only actually effective major state institution left after power has increasingly been transferred from the political to the economic sphere.

Posted by: kusabi | Sep 2 2020 10:49 utc | 111

So according to trump - If your anti- fascist your a domestic terrorist. Just take that fact in for a moment !
Whilst the psychopathic mass murder Trump heads for Kenosha. Vists his muscle men / curupt protection racket thugs in uniform, vote for me or we’l destroy More of your city.
Otherwise known as the election campaign.
Mmmm what’s not to like.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2 2020 11:08 utc | 112

@Posted by: jadan | Sep 2 2020 2:02 utc | 83

Thanks for your testimony, it has all the face of being as you describe. You should ask in mass for a reform of the electoral system, it can not be fixed and locked for the ages to come to only asure the privileges of the rich. Enough is enough! If it is to protest, clarify the point of your protests! Present a chart of requirements below which you will not go home, but stop destroying other businesses and public propierty, you will end paying yourself for all doubly. Notice how Trump has promised public money to those whose business have been destroyed, Recall that big corporations do not pay taxes, they evade them by fiscal engineering.

BTW, the Clintons are rich people, thus their electoral options. Troyan Horses in any Democrat Party who dares consider itself something akin or similar to socialism. they should be ousted from any Democrat Party worth the name, along with some others...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 11:12 utc | 113

What do you mean by "skullduggery"?

I am translating this word, and I doubt that is the meaning you try to convey..
May be street speaking? of which I do know almost nothing, since only once put a foot in the US and that for a few days and with a group of friends, thus spoke Spanish all the time...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 11:20 utc | 114

The mafia don

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2 2020 11:25 utc | 115

Their plan seems to be working:

Most Democrats [75%] fear Trump could reject election defeat, poll shows

The funniest thing is the definition The Guardian used to define "Democrat": "supporters of Democratic challenger Joe Biden"; i.e. people who're going to vote for Joe Biden.

Isn't it personality cult, or is it only personality cult when the USSR was doing it?

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2020 11:44 utc | 116

Biden has a lot of faults, but if you think that Trump is still the better candidate...

Posted by: Malchik Ralf | Sep 2 2020 12:18 utc | 118

A Color Revolution? Really?

As if Donald Trump were Lukashenko or Yanukovych defending state-owned enterprises against Soros-funded anti-Communist mobs.

That's the kind of insanity that has infected the left for the past 20 years at least, charitably including conspiracy-mongers like the guy who owns MofA.

This is the kind of garbage that is pumped out daily on UNZ Review, an openly white-supremacist website. Let's hope that MofA does not follow suite.

Posted by: Louis N Proyect | Sep 2 2020 12:25 utc | 119

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 11:20 utc | 113

"skullduggery": anti-social behavior of one sort or another, with the suggestion of overtly criminal behavior. "Engaged in skullduggery" and "Up to no good" mean the same thing. "Up to no good" is colloquial or vulgar speech, "engaged in skullduggery" would be more formal, educated.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2020 12:30 utc | 120

Posted by: jared | Sep 2 2020 12:09 utc | 116

Zero Hedge is and always has been a Libertarian click-farm, that's what they do, you should not expect too much. I use them as a news aggregator, for links, and that's about all they are good for.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2020 12:34 utc | 121

@Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2020 12:30 utc | 119

Thanks, Bemildred!

Try to organize yourselves in your communities for whatever surprise this people may come with after elections, mate, I am sure there is a lot of sane people in the US just suffering this state of affairs dating some decades already.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 12:41 utc | 122

Many of those posting here are grossly overestimating the intelligence and wisdom of the Democrat Party (neoliberal wing of the oligarchy). As I have frequently pointed out, they are deeply delusional and radically divorced from reality. They are not at all trying to support Trump's reelection with the clever reverse psychology of running horrible candidates of their own. They fully intend to win, and once again they think it will be a slam dunk. The Biden/Harris ticket is very carefully thought out with extensive strategic planning, doubtless by multiple large committees with input from trusted academicians representing the best universities in America.

Ask yourself what you imagine the strategists for the neoliberals truly think was the cause for their defeat in 2016. Russians, of course, they still believe that, but carefully examine the posts by posters like Circe and jadan. These posters accurately represent the delusion that is pervasive among the neoliberals, including their best and brightest. Their world is one in which everyone who doesn't see things exactly as they do is a racist, misogynist, homophobic bigot, and for them these are the absolute worst possible characteristics a person can have. Their's is a world filled with brutal microaggressions destroying people's all-important (literally the most important thing of all to them) self-esteem with faint looks of disapproval at greasy fuchsia hair or pants worn around the knees. These people absolutely and completely believe that Clinton lost because there are too many misogynist, racist bigots in America.

These people are largely college educated, but few to none have been educated in any hard sciences, mathematics, or engineering. Their education is almost completely in the soft (fake) sciences, business (university special ed), journalism (how to fellate corporate overlords), and the many grievance-oriented self-pity-party university programs. Unlike the hard sciences and engineering, these university programs offer validation and amplification of the middle class delusion that many students enter university with, and that delusion is nowadays formally protected from any challenge on campuses. These students with amplified and validated delusion graduate and quickly fill in management layers in corporate America (they have no real skills, so that is the only place for them to go), where they try to spread their delusion to all of those bigot meanies who don't accept it.

Brief tangent: In the 1930s a cartoon, Popeye, was created in the US. Hard science determined that additional Vitamin A, which is present in significant quantities in spinach, would improve children's health and development. In order to alter the behavior of the American public and encourage children to eat spinach, the titular character in the cartoon was given super-strength from eating spinach. This was a deliberate effort to alter the behavior of the American public using mass media. This is just one example out of uncountable hundreds of thousands, and the effort to modify the behavior of the American public using mass media has only intensified since then. Currently those using mass media to push the American public in a particular direction are the above-described neolib delusionals and not the hard science types who informed the covert message in the cartoon Popeye. If you look, you will find these efforts to promote neoliberal identity politics, an ideology that is born from delusion, in all mass media.

The pervasiveness of this delusion in the mass media and among the "soft" pseudo-intelligentsia does not mean it is accepted by all Americans, and the vote for Trump in 2016 was in large part a rejection of this delusion that is being forced on the American public. To the delusional neolibs, however, this rejection of what to them is self-evident truth indicates the full embrace by "deplorables" of the most vicious racist and misogynist bigotry imaginable (did I mention that Americans nowadays are prone to jumping to hysteria-driven extremes?). A "microaggressive" chuckle over a Black boy displaying his underwear is to them an assault on par with lynching. These delusional neolibs' loss of grip on reality allows their emotional reactions to things to spin up to hysteria like an engine out of gear will race if you tap the throttle. They have lost all sense of perspective and proportion.

And that is why they think Biden is a wise choice. They feel they need to appeal to a demographic (horribly racist and misogynist scumbag bigots) that doesn't really even exist in the United States in any numbers. Like Russian election meddlers, or Iraqi WMDs, or starving people in Venezuela, these horribly racist and misogynist scumbag bigots that the Dims need to get the votes of only exist in their feverishly unmoored and hysteria-prone imaginations. It is these imaginary voters who vote their bigotry that the Dims are trying to win over with their choice of Biden.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2020 12:43 utc | 123

@105 "But seriously?! Parts of Australia are in effective martial law based on 663 deaths. You need to be commenting on this craziness b!!!"

I live in Sydney, and I'm happy to comment on this because what is happening in Australia is the complete opposite of what is happening in the USA.

Here the various levels of government - federal and state, but also local - are consulting with each other, and once they reach consensus then they go out of their way to clearly and openly communicating their plans to the general public.

They explain before they act what metrics will cause them to go into increasing levels of lockdown.
They explain before they act what metrics will result in an easing of that lockdown.

And then they follow that plan.

Everyone knows what it is. Nobody can claim ignorance: "I Didn't Know" is not going to cut it as an excuse.

The end result of that clarity is that the general public both understands what the government is attempting to do and, even more importantly, agrees that this is worth doing.

Does the lockdown in most parts of Australia resemble martial law? No, not even close.
Does it resemble martial law in Melbourne, Australia? Yeah, I suppose, if you squint hard enough.

Why the difference? Simple: the plan worked everywhere else, but it stumbled in Victoria and before they could recover it got out of hand.

....."based on 663 deaths".

Ignorance writ large. The government's strategy is not based around the cumulative total of deaths. It is mainly looking at the seven-day average of new cases, and it aiming to at least flatten it if not drive it down.

Why? Because if the seven-day average is going up then the epidemic is getting out of control. And if it does that then the health system will eventually collapse. Which as far as the Australian government is concerned is Not A Good Thing.

Seems a sensible policy to me. The overwhelming majority of my fellow countrymen agree.

You don't? As if I care.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Sep 2 2020 13:00 utc | 124

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Sep 2 2020 12:41 utc | 121

"Try to organize yourselves in your communities for whatever surprise this people may come with after elections, mate, I am sure there is a lot of sane people in the US just suffering this state of affairs dating some decades already."

I appreciate your kind thoughts, but I'm 75, lots of family, and not planning to live forever, so no worries. I've been waiting forty years to watch this, since Raygun got himself elected 1981. It was clear to me then that where we are now is where we were already going back then.

Once they go full jingo propaganda mode the only way out is through. It's like lighting a fuse. India for example right now. I expect they will come to grief in due course too.

* jingo - aggressive right-wing militarism and nationalism.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2020 13:02 utc | 125

This is nonsense about a "color revolution" plot. Let's not forget how George W. Bush, along with his Florida governor brother Jeb, used Skulduggery to steal the 2000 election. Let's not also forget how Bush stole the 2004 election using Diebold voting machines which flipped votes for Kerry to Bush. Let's not also forget the US Supreme Court Holder v. Shelby County 2013 ruling which gutted the 1965 Voting Rights Act of its enforcement mechanisms. The result was millions of actual and potential Democrat voters being purged from the polls. Over the past 20 years the Republican Party has revealed itself to win elections by hook or crook. Having been burnt three times in five election cycles, the Democrats realize that they have to fight fire with fire. It's the Republican Party that initiated the dirty tricks. So it should come as no surprise that the Democrats are resorting to their own dirty bag of tricks.
Either way this election will solve nothing. Half of the country won't accept the results either way. Even if Trump wins a legitimate landslide election, the cities will erupt in unrest. Trump has no social or political base in the majority of US cities. His base is rural and exurban. The United States is politically and socially fractured beyond repair. The country has been in a state of civil war since the 2016 election. After this November, the country will enter into the next and more deadly phase of civil war. Namely the US is headed towards a Yugoslavia conflict. There can be only two results. 1)The US geographically fractures which the West Coast and the Northeast forming independent federations. 2)A military dictatorship/junta. Either way we are witnessing the last days of the American Republic.

Posted by: Der Kosmonaut | Sep 2 2020 13:08 utc | 126

Mafia Boy defeated in MA:

Markey defeats Kennedy in Massachusetts

This is the second time a "mafia king" of the Democratic Party was dethroned (first was the guy who lost to Ocasio-Cortez).

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2020 13:08 utc | 127

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2020 12:43 utc | 122

"And that is why they think Biden is a wise choice. They feel they need to appeal to a demographic (horribly racist and misogynist scumbag bigots) that doesn't really even exist in the United States in any numbers. Like Russian election meddlers, or Iraqi WMDs, or starving people in Venezuela, these horribly racist and misogynist scumbag bigots that the Dims need to get the votes of only exist in their feverishly unmoored and hysteria-prone imaginations. It is these imaginary voters who vote their bigotry that the Dims are trying to win over with their choice of Biden."

Yep, I think you nailed it. The strength of their desire not to pander to their own base, but to pander to Trump's base instead, is kind of amusing.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2020 13:12 utc | 128

I don't know if #MOA is saying that, but its what I've been thinking for some time. To go even further, what if Trump was a psyop from the get go. His first bankruptcy was "nuclear", and yet Wilbur Ross saved him. Who'd Ross work for at the time? N M Rothschild & Sons. Why would they save a brash, spoiled son of a mere developer? It all could be coincidental, but still it seems like it's conveniently a very small world at the tippy top.

Despite the likelihood of being canceled, I will be voting for Trump (again) just to get the whole color revolution done and over with. Seems like little old me has wasted her time trying to vote for peace.

Posted by: Old and Grumpy | Sep 2 2020 13:16 utc | 129

Its hilarious, having read Gruff's concise and rational dissection of the power of media to manipulate weak minds, to then be subjected, a mere two comments later, to a perfect articulation of the product of one of those Media-Manipulated weak minds, one oblivious to his conditioning, "posted by Der Kosmonaut | Sep 2 2020 13:08 utc | 125"

Der Kosmonaut's rather embarrassing "Dems: good, Republicans: bad" comment is little more than a modern rendition of the "4 legs: good, 2 leg: baa-haa-aad" mantra chanted by the dim-witted sheep in Orwell's Animal Farm.

I guess I should thank him for so swiftly providing a classic example of what Gruff discussed in his comment #122

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 2 2020 13:34 utc | 130

Bemildred @127: "The strength of their desire not to pander to their own base, but to pander to Trump's base instead, is kind of amusing."

They have stated it outright: The Democrat base has no choice, so no need to pander to them. After all, who else can they vote for? Look at poor Circe for an example. The Democrats can slap her around as much as they want and she will come crawling back every time. It's like an abused partner; where can she go if she leaves? The abuser takes her for granted.

To a degree the Democrats are right about that, but I don't know if they are right enough to win. Lots of Americans these days would rather go homeless than crawl back to their masters' house.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2020 13:37 utc | 131

William Gruff made an excellent comment in the blog post about UNIFIL. It's reproduced below:

Circe @17

It is sad that your "Trump Derangement Syndrome" blinds you to what is being said.

Trump isn't making amazingly awesome decisions that are doing wonderful things for the USA. Trump is instead making amazingly horrible decisions... for the American empire.

What you cannot grasp is that these horribly bad decisions for the American empire are very good for the entire rest of the world. In fact, these horribly bad decisions for the American empire are actually very good for America, but in a counter-intuitive and long-term sense (not at all intended by Trump, of course).

The sad reality is that you desperately want the American empire to persevere and continue to dominate much of the planet, it not all of it. Trump's decisions are making that goal difficult, and you despise him for that.

Me? I like that Trump is destroying the American empire. That is good for humanity. I hope he gets reelected so he can continue that destruction.

The analysis here is spot-on. Combine it with the open letter from Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden and it becomes clear that the "deep state" opposes Trump due to his unreliability. Even though he shares their overall goals, his desired actions tend to frustrate those goals. That's because his cost-benefit calculus differs from theirs. Points 1, 5, and 10 of the open letter* make this quite obvious.

* Those are the only points of the open letter that aren't propaganda. Interestingly, they fall precisely at the beginning, middle, and end of the list. This does not appear to be a coincidence.

Posted by: Cynica | Sep 2 2020 13:45 utc | 132

I dont think the colour revolution is complete nonsense at all. By examining the patterns of coups sponsored by the USA and Friends(tm) and comparing them to what is being engineered right now there are indeed similarities. Based on the the Red-Blue Uniparty model there simply hasn't been a need. But now is the time for the Great Reset so the population of the USA is being dismantled and NeoFeudalism is being ushered in. The last time the executive branch got uppity JFK was eliminated.

I bipolar system of deomestic politics has ensured that divide and rule tactics can gain easy traction. The past two presidential selection served several purposes, on being to divide the population even further. As W. Gruff pointed out, the USAn politcal left is heavilly populated by pseudo intellectuals, with an emphasis on "grievence studies". Inject the reactionary PC-culture and they can be lead around on a rope from one outrage to the next. Sceptics might do well to browse Eduard Bernays....The bitter irony is that the the lefties have been trained to hate Orange Man Bad. TDS has caused many people to foam at the mouth with vitrol and toxic emotion. They are being poisoned by their own reactions and highly irrational. Thus everything that differs from their narrative is a lie, fake news, propoganda and Hitler-Nazi-Fascist. On the other side, I know "born again" Trump supporters who hand pick imagined triumphs he is accomplishing, whilst ignoring the demonstrable facts such as a cabinet full of globalists or connections to white collar criminals (Adelson et. al.)

My point being that the nation has long been prepped for this coming meltdown in many ways. Polarization, industrial outsourceing, the dissolution of the middle class, and a steady stream of dumbing down. Because we have come a long way since celluloid, the map is now territory and a simple representation can cause a firestorm. Granted this is nothing new but the spead, breadth and fabrication of information and it's transfer has grown exponentially. It seems clear to me that intention is the drive the Hegellian Dialectic hard enough to cause a complete meltdown while reconditioning the population in the process.
Yes, getting the pebes to fight eachother is a main ingredient, as is eliminating small and medium business in favor of the poly-corps multinationals. Two pronged fear and alienation being injected via covid and rioting is another powerful driver.

As some other posters have observed: There is very little difference in policy overall. When the important items come up they are in lock step. They all get bribed and indoctrinated, threatened and marginalized, and simply eliminated when the do not comply. Take a look at the list of US politicians and officials that have died over the country's short history. I have no doubt that congress critters know very well how to behave if they want to continue. Kay-Fabe indeed.

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 2 2020 14:10 utc | 133

CitizenX 93

I like that. I had always said something similar, but it was almost universally greeted with contempt. I guess victims and the powerless dont like to be reminded they are victims and the powerless.

"It doesnt matter who you vote for, you are gonna get fucked. One side is gonna slap you and tell you you might as well enjoy the inevitable, the other side will buy you dinner and take you to a movie, but either way you are getting fucked."

Actually, I think our two statements only differ in yours explicitly stating the rape, and mine only implying it.

Posted by: visak | Sep 2 2020 14:16 utc | 134

Would a slap AND a tickle be better?!

Posted by: Chevrus | Sep 2 2020 14:19 utc | 135

vk@94 There are at least three other really important factors, even though blaming the filthy selfish (usually read, white,) masses is by far the favorite tack to "explaining" the non-revolutionariness of the US workers. The wealth of the imperialist metropole means that a petty bourgeois is continually generated. Many families overlap, some members being higher on the social ladder. Civil war in the family is much more than just a pocket book issue. Historically, home ownership, which misleads some into thinking they are real estate investors who might win big capital gains, has been a huge thing. The mortgage interest deduction is a genuine example of a privilege. But this method is declining.

Also, the wealth of the imperialist metropole means there are many methods by which the masses of people can be divided, starting with geographical separation of the races, whites to suburbs and blacks herded into ghettoes. The big rich can hide in gated communities and an archipelago of resorts and never mingle, while the big losers can be hidden in shelters or prisons, on a mass scale. It takes money to afford mass incarceration and the kind of highway system that supports suburbia where everyone imagines they are "middle class." The big bourgeois overlords can afford to invest billions in molding public opinon, not just by investing in a Fox News or a Sinclair to build up the right kind of audience. But the de facto control over the universities, partly by funding policy institutes but also by turning the academy into a sports entertainment business and a real estate investor. Plus of course simply paying for business schools and law schools and seminaries.

[Buying off labor leaders---labor lieutenants of capital in Daniel De Leon's splendid phrase--is affordable here too, as is the occasional benefit to parts of labor. But most notions of labor aristocracy assume all white workers and only white workers are rich because they're directly taking money from brown people, here....or sometimes from abroad. The assumption that white workers are rich is not well supported by actual figures...and this claim is the point closest to plausible in this way of thinking!]

And, lastly, the balance of forces argument is hidden. It is terrifying enough to fight the US government at the end of a thousands mile long supply chain. Fighting the US government on its home ground?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 2 2020 14:24 utc | 136

PS Dude, Kennedy wasn't a Mafia king, not a Democratic Party king. If anybody was the king, it was Markey, whose reputation as some sort of lefty is preposterous. Jacobin can make that shit up because Jacobin doesn't have a clue about serious political analysis.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 2 2020 14:31 utc | 137

@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 2 2020 14:24 utc | 135

Many families overlap, some members being higher on the social ladder. Civil war in the family is much more than just a pocket book issue.

And yet that's what literally happened during the War of Secession (Civil War, in the USA historiography). Military brothers literally killed themselves in the fields of Virginia and the Tennessee some days after sharing the same dining room (there's at least one documented case of a traditional military family with some six sons - all of them officials - of which three chose to fight for the Union and three for the Confederacy).

And it saved the USA.

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2020 14:49 utc | 138

What b misunderstands is this: the establishment is not going to color-revolution itself.

Biden is an establishment guy. The Democratic Party is part of the establishment apparatus.

The divisiveness is planned and orchestrated, though the protesters are not aware of the fact they are being used.

There are sensible ways to address protester concerns. Neither Party has any interest in such sensibility.

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Don't waste your vote on the Republicans or Democrats! Best to vote third-party (Greens, People's Party, Pirate Party), write in a candidate (Assange, Snowden, Flynn, Putin, etc.), or don't vote at all.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2020 14:57 utc | 139

vk@137 is correct as to the facts. I could add one: The great southern general (possibly the greatest?) George Thomas was rejected the rest of his life by his sisters for staying loyal.

But what do those facts really say? The issues that led to the Civil War were recurrent crises for forty years, and even then it was the planters who started the fighting. The Civil War was a bourgeois revolution led by petty bourgeois politicians serving the bourgeois nation. Most would acknowledge it is easier for people who actually have power to fight to keep it, exercise it to save the nation. As a demonstration the (white) workers of the US are scum who are too cowardly and racist to make a revolution, I don't think these facts really serve as proof.

It is still not unheard of for people to claim revolutions starting in places like Russia and China refute Marxism. The answer is, revolutions succeed first in breaking the weakest link of the chain (metaphor for international hierarchy.) The flip side is, the supposed non-revolutionariness of the US workers is not a refutation of Marxism, but a consequence of the strongest link in the chain doesn't break first.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 2 2020 15:04 utc | 140

Bidens job was to beat bernie, he did that winning against trump is onky a bonus

Posted by: Bob | Sep 2 2020 15:06 utc | 141

Is there any literature from a political science perspective on street violence in supporting politicians?

Posted by: barrage | Sep 2 2020 15:23 utc | 142

Trump will win. As an American it seems most people over here are afraid of roiting and looting comming to their neighborhood. This dozent mean most of them are racist but trumps team jumped on this issue and it looks like its gonna work.

Posted by: Bob | Sep 2 2020 15:28 utc | 143

I'm confused as to the objection and reasons for the rant.
Have there NOT been nearly 100 days of riots in Portland then?
Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 2 2020 1:29 utc | 79

Yes, CC, there have been 3 months of rioting in Portland. But up until this week, the Democrat position was to deny it and claim it was peaceful protesting, or justify it by saying "riots are the cry of the oppressed", or to sanctimoniously proclaim that buildings can be rebuilt, so what's the big deal. The corollary, as you saw, was to claim that anyone saying otherwise was an evil right wing Republican. As late as last Thurs, Aug. 27, the NPR ran a story In Defense Of Looting, as being both fun and also a vision of life with all free stuff.
But then the Democrats finally noticed that this was not playing well in Peoria.
The line changed this week, but some of the posters on here haven't yet picked that up and are still reciting last week's script.
This week the Democrats are acknowledging the riots, but are now claiming that the famous "white supremacists" they see under every bed are the ones burning buildings.
Oh and, of course, it's all Trump's fault.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 2 2020 15:36 utc | 144

Bob 142

Yep. Trump will win. Interesting times. With luck, a civil war will kick off in the US. If not, Trump will start his wars in his second term.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 2 2020 15:37 utc | 145

steven t johnson@ 135

Your first paragraph points at something that has been neglected, on this page and generally. Local variation is large, but real estate is always local. Here in Chicago the value of a middle class home is now simply unknown. Reducing price will not create a sale. In 2008 it was always possible to sell if price was low enough. Right now nothing sells, no one looks, realtors and homeowners wonder if it is worth the trouble to create a listing.

For putative middle class homeowners the realization their largest (or only) asset is no longer worth much, or anything, is a blow. When the people next door leave town and the neighborhood starts to blow away the problem is unavoidable. No one is speaking to these people. No politician has anything for them. Everyone is clinging to vestiges of normalcy while waiting for that moment when we all go back to work and life resumes. Normalcy is not returning. It is a powder keg waiting for a spark.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 2 2020 15:38 utc | 146

@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 2 2020 15:04 utc | 139

The moral of the story is that family is just another political institution, and, as such, is not sacred. Members of the same family can - and do - kill themselves when there are greater interests/historical events in play.

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2020 15:54 utc | 147

One thing that this fiasco illustrates.
The total bankruptcy of the Democratic party, and it's total insulting distain for it's voter base.
It's been determined that the electorate will vote for whatever candidate put forward.
Regardless of suitability for the office.
The disconnect with the electorate is astounding.

Posted by: Jpc | Sep 2 2020 16:03 utc | 148

Still voting for Vermin Love Supreme...still wanting a free pony !!..:)

Vermin Love Supreme[1] (born June 3, 1961)[2] is an American performance artist, politician, and activist who has run as a candidate in various local, state, and national elections in the United States. He currently serves as a member of the Libertarian Party's judicial committee.[3][4][5][6] Supreme is known for wearing a boot as a hat and carrying a large toothbrush,[7] and has said that if elected President of the United States, he will pass a law requiring people to brush their teeth.[4][8][9][10] He has campaigned on a platform of zombie apocalypse awareness and time travel research,[11] and promised a free pony for every American.[12]

Posted by: Gregory | Sep 2 2020 16:06 utc | 149

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 2 2020 15:36 utc | 144

Thank you.

That explains Schmaltz's insane-sounding nonsense, in the "Mostly Peaceful" Rioting thread, everytime someone mentioned riots or Portland he would start incoherently mumbling about "infull-traitors" and "White supremacists".

Mind you, pretty much everything that guy posts is incoherent.

I just didn't realise that reality-denial and insane projections about who's doing what in places like Portland was an actual thing that people were deliberately doing.

Vk's been doing a little of that too. Constantly mentioning how peaceful the "real" protesters are, and that the unpeaceful protesters/rioters are not the "real" protesters.

I didn't realise until just now that Schmaltz and vk were working in tandem to spread Dem talking points.

That explains a lot of the derangement incoherence and insanity I've noticed from both. Didn't realise it was a coordinated tactic between the two identities. Seems obvious now in retrospect.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 2 2020 16:12 utc | 150

"Therefore the sage, in the exercise of his government,
empties their minds, fills their bellies,
weakens their wills, strengthens their bones,
he keeps the people from acting..."
(Tao Te Ching, Chap. 3)

Dear people, which of the two candidates better fit the role of the leader?

A better question: who are those "acting" on the streets? And who are those satisfied at home?

Isn't POTUS the one saying not to engage these malcontents?

What does Biden inspire in your mind? Confidence in his ability to carry out his duties?

I have a bevy of questions when looking at the Democrats. Hardly "filling" me with confidence.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 2 2020 16:21 utc | 151

NemesisCalling @Sep2 16:21 151

What does Biden inspire in your mind?

We could play this game all day. What does Trump inspire in your mind?

Biden is a life-long two-faced politician. Trump is a life-long con man. These are our choices. Choices fostered upon us by a corrupt system.

Don't waste your vote on Republican and Democrat hucksters: vote third-party, 'write-in' the name of someone that you respect/admire, or stay at home.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2020 16:42 utc | 152

Perhaps Democrats are overplaying the election fraud scenario, but then again, perhaps not. One need only recall the 2000 presidential election and the purging of African Americans voters from the voter roles by the Florida Secretary of State, the hanging chads and ultimately, the unprecedented insertion of the U.S. Supreme Court into the process for the purpose of anointing G.W. Bush as president. Since then, there have been numerous, and successful, efforts by Republicans to de-register likely Democratic voters from the voting rolls. Voter suppression is a real thing in the U.S., and it shows that Republicans are not above virtually any kind of skulduggery to tilt the playing field in their direction

Posted by: Rob | Sep 2 2020 16:54 utc | 153

@152 jr

Perfectly happy with those like yourself writing in a name. This will help Trump.

Carry on, jr.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 2 2020 17:13 utc | 154

Great comments at Z/H regarding the Nalvany poisoning incident.

One of my favorites (only scanned top few):

Most deadly nerve agent ever doesn't kill people just makes them sick and unavailable for comment or questions.
Guess Russian assassins do not have bullets or knives.
Must use western boogeyman secret sauce.
Propaganda is so bad it is like they are not even trying anymore.

I think brevity speaks more eloquently, in general.

Posted by: jared | Sep 2 2020 17:21 utc | 155

Biden is an old man with too many baggage’s , very sleaze politican , a mistake is made by Obama , African American and the stupid Demographic party , but I hope they win the election and get Mitch Mc Connell the fox out of the chicken coop.
Mr Trump with his cronies violated every a law in the nation , pocketed the money and every thing else and not only deserve to loose the election but they should be prosecuted to the fullest of the law by the new administration .
Mr Trump never paid a penny in taxes and if every one in the nation do the same the US government will fall .
He is a crook and snake oil salesman, his military is occupying illegally Syrian lands and stealing the oil against the international law , I guess the law only applies to the poor and the under privileged.
The Syrian should bomb the hell out of the US military complex in Syria and support the resistance against the occupation, shame on the US president and all , slaves to the Zionist at all times .

Posted by: Bobby | Sep 2 2020 17:21 utc | 156

"And that would still make him only 5 or 6 wars behind Obama whom you have already defended on the basis of his abysmal war record."

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 2 2020 9:13 utc | 107

That might be true, but that one war would be HUGE!!! and that is what scares me. All the small targets have been hit. Just the big boys left, Iran, China, Russia.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 2 2020 17:22 utc | 157

Mr Trump will never dare to have a war with Iran , China or Russia , he will lose big time and it will be the end of the American supremacy if there was any , these countries are not Iraq , Libya or Syria .
Not to mention possible the end of Israel as we know it .
But he may go and pick up a fight with some shitty small country with no significant defense system .
Good luck to them the Americans because you cannot win a war against the population .

Posted by: Bobby | Sep 2 2020 17:39 utc | 158

Oldhippie @ 146 wrote that there was a housing slump.

There was a couple months back but today the housing market is booming. Volume and price increases are at record highs.

Posted by: jinn | Sep 2 2020 17:42 utc | 159

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2020 12:43 utc | 123

One should always be wary about the interpretation of anecdotal data and I agree with your suggestion that we shouldn't assume that Trump supporters are all bigots (unfortunately I am not aware of any polls where such questions are asked directly). Clearly, though, it seems obvious that certain subgroups including police forces, white supremacists, and 2nd amendment fanatics do tend to skew in both of those directions.

On the other hand, you fall into basically the same trap yourself in describing progressives. While there is merit in your points about the inadequacies of higher education in the US, you don't present any numbers. One doesn't need a BA or a degree in the soft sciences to find objectionable the very real structural racism that is built into American society. (e.g., The Disturbing History of the Suburbs | Adam Ruins Everything )

Overall I think it would be fair to say that their poor education leaves many Americans vulnerable to BS arguments coming from both sides.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Sep 2 2020 17:57 utc | 160

Not being discussed by either party or media are the events and results detailed by Michael Hudson, which are the genuine reasons for the growing unrest nationwide. His concluding paragraph crams it all into a nutshell, but what readers should note is China's ability to avoid all such troubles:

"In that respect, the corona virus’s effect has been to help defeat the financial sector’s enemy – governments strong enough to regulate it. The fiscal squeeze resulting from widespread unemployment, business closedowns, rent and tax arrears is being seized upon as a means of dismantling and privatizing government at the federal, state and local levels, at the expense of the citizenry at large."

Although in reality, Hudson's actual conclusion was written several paragraphs before and places two choices on the table for humanity to choose:

"The world thus has two options: a basically productive public financial system in China, or a predatory financial system in the United States."

Hudson doesn't put forth the idea that the Outlaw US Empire's system is going to collapse. Rather, he implies that it will tweak the rules to allow the system to continue. The only real choice seems to be submission to the Financial Parasites or Revolution to expel them and their system for all time. Given the factual reality, it's no wonder the Parasites are directing energies toward a culture-based Civil War rather than the Revolution that's required to solve the deep structural problems.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2020 18:14 utc | 161

In my last post (other thread) I mentioned the color revolution aspect, against Trump, the typical tactics used, against an ‘illegitimate president’ / ‘a brutal dictator’ / fill in other, such as ‘racist, mysoginist’ 'tax cheat' ..

I also mentioned that color revols. are super cheap, costing almost nothing (ex. Ukraine), are supposedly ‘non-violent’ so …. Why not? Legitimised by ‘ppl’s opinion’ and ‘democracy’ and ‘the right to protect’ (plus other discourse) it all seems hunky-dory. I added that while there is little danger when the strategy is applied abroad, win some, lose some, when applied at home it is radically different and dangerous.

At home, innocent ppl die (even if very few, it is noticed) and many codes have to be broken, veils lifted. Law-and-order, even if it is weak, sinks even further, which is noticed by many, and even if not felt on the ground is extremely alarming, which will turn ppl to the ‘stronger’ candidate. (See Belarus and the show Lukachenko made, plus the police, it worked..) Second, the functionning of the ‘great democracy’ which after all many Amrikis are proud of, is negated. If basic vote-counting can’t be done to the satisfaction of everyone, votes don’t count, then what?

The Dems apparently have not figured this out, or prefer to lose, and bring mayhem to many.

Ppl could, and did, joke about crappy Diebold machines and hanging chads pretending to ignore what was going on (they were still being paid and could exploit, oppress or bomb others, including slave prison labor, etc.), but this election will turn out to be another effing level.

Third, when a ‘territory’ run by oligarchs with a pretend pol. ‘dem’ veneer is subject to attack, in that it impacts the lower and middle part of the 20%, who traditionally cash in, and run things on the ground, trouble looms.

I have left International ramifications out.

Posted by: Noirette | Sep 2 2020 18:16 utc | 162

@ Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 2 2020 15:38 utc | 146

That was the premise behind the subprime boom: everybody needs a place to live in, therefore everybody will pay and keep paying their mortgages. Then 2008 happened.

Those were romantic times, when it didn't cross anybody's minds there was a little thing called homelessness in America...

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2020 18:25 utc | 163

vk@147 "The moral of the story is that family is just another political institution, and, as such, is not sacred. Members of the same family can - and do - kill themselves when there are greater interests/historical events in play."

So, the kids really are expected to euthanize their bigoted parents in the name of anti-racism, and if they don't, it's because they're racist too, too racist to properly serve the greater interest? Condemning the ignoble (white) working class for not starting the revolution at the dinner table Thanksgiving holiday, rather than choosing a side after the war has started, doesn't seem to me to follow from the moral stated.

I have been pointing out some basic reasons to reject the wholesale condemnation of the (white) working class as monstrously evil. I'm not sure why vk is arguing this.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 2 2020 19:00 utc | 164

If not, Trump will start his wars in his second term.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 2 2020 15:37 utc | 145

Not wars abroad, Trump doesn't do that. Wars at home is much more his thing.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2020 19:08 utc | 165

vk @163 wrote:
That was the premise behind the subprime boom: everybody needs a place to live in, therefore everybody will pay and keep paying their mortgages.

Nope that is not even close to correct.

The pre-2008 bubble was fueled by pay option loans where the borrowers were required to pay very little or none at all for 15-30 months. Then when the monthly rate ballooned from paying little or nothing to completely unaffordable levels the borrower could either sell the house and pay off all that was owed or get another pay option loan that absorbed what was owed and started a new cycle of monthly payments where the borrower could choose to pay little or nothing that lasted for another 15-30 months. All of this worked great as long as house prices were rising rapidly enough that the increased value of the house covered the mortgage payments that the borrower had the option to not pay in a pay option loan.

This was wondrous market innovation* that worked as long as Nome prices were rising rapidly while at the same time creating the huge demand for home sales that caused the priced to rapidly go up. What could go wronG?

It collapsed when house prices could no longer be goosed up. Then suddenly these borrowers could not sell or refinance.

* Here is article by a moron explaining the wondrously innovative mortgage products that blew up a few years later.

Posted by: jinn | Sep 2 2020 19:18 utc | 166

So it’s a Duopoly. Yes.
Voting for one or the other will make no difference. Yes.
Voting for a third party will chainge nothing.
We are much further down the dictatorship road for that. Much further than the most enlightened here realise.
Put it this way —- were the French resistance domestic terrorist’s ?
All the rights you have now, some people had to fight for ! Don’t knock it.
This link is well worth the read, nothing new but coming from an interesting source.

Posted by: Mark2 | Sep 2 2020 19:18 utc | 167

Tim @100. Yes. Or perhaps a large faction are indifferent to a loss. They can serve their masters better while blaming Trump. It's better than giving ground ultimately.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 2 2020 19:48 utc | 168

" But seriously?! Parts of Australia are in effective martial law based on 663 deaths. You need to be commenting on this craziness b!!!"

The way I read his commentary on this issue leaves me with the clear impression he is all for what you are describing. I would be love to be corrected on this though.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 2 2020 9:45 utc | 108
Me too.
I have seen an editorial shift to the right declared recently in a few places. The comments too. Here (b), RT, OFFG comments. I was wondering about it.
There seems to be more pro-Trump dialogue. Hmmmm.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 2 2020 20:07 utc | 169


You pay no attention to what I wrote and seem to live entirely in a world of pre-digested tropes.

It is different this time. It affects everyone, whether they have a new mortgage or a home they have lived in for 50 years. It is not simply about pricing or financing. Population of the city is dropping. Homes will be empty, neighborhoods are blighted. Last time there was 2 cents on the dollar pricing (wholesale only, complete multi-unit buys only) and a few made out like bandits. Well, they were bandits. This time it is why would anyone want to own property in Chicago? Or Kenosha? Or New York? Or Minneapolis? Or Seattle?

The political fallout from this is only beginning. No one knows where it ends. We do know what has happened before when petty bourgeois are dispossessed and have grievances.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 2 2020 20:10 utc | 170

"My brain turns over very slowly... are we saying that the DNC pushed Biden BECAUSE he is unelectable - he is their best chance of losing the election, so that a colour revolution can be put in train?

Posted by: Tim | Sep 2 2020 5:21 utc | 100"

I think the idea is Biden will lose (so Trump gets the blame for the next 4 years) or else be a reliable tool. His mental state is a plus from that angle.

It is notable the lack of quality people who want to go into politics. I think one of the main reasons the settled on Biden was that nobody else in their clique wanted the job, Joe wants it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Sep 2 2020 20:16 utc | 171

Biden is just another representative of the establishment, probably corrupt, and probably a bit gaga. The question is, is that better than Trump destroying American society?

For me as European, I like Trump's withdrawal from the ME. Trump's pro-Israel deals are largely meaningless, because there's nothing to gain. So an Arab prince makes a deal, he'll soon find the Israel embassy, so loudly welcomed, will be treated coldly by his people. The first flight yesterday was filled with Jared and other officials. It won't be commercial.

But the commitment to withdraw from Iraq is important. The US occupations in Syria will necessarily follow. Abandonment of Taji is a sign. The new Iraqi PM can't be convinced to make a deal for permanent occupation, although pro-American.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2020 20:24 utc | 172

oldhippie @170--

Even urban/rural settings like Bend, Oregon are seeing housing prices inflate crazily--the average new home price in Bend is now almost 475K, which is being blamed on the big rise in lumber prices, a reason IMO that's 100% BS. Hudson continues to call it the Obama Depression. But it's so weird to have asset price deflation in some regions while asset price inflation is occurring elsewhere. Bend is primarily suburban sprawl in the midst of a rural nowhere. Is it the older generation cashing and moving out to what they perceive as more peaceful environs?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2020 20:35 utc | 173

The scheduled "Good cop. Bad cop" road show as usual. Nothing new. You'd think that they'd use another playbook but when this one has worked for generations there's no reason to. People are too blind and too stupid to realize it.

Posted by: InnerCynic | Sep 2 2020 20:36 utc | 174

farm ecologist @160

In 2008, back when it was still possible to fool ourselves into believing that Obama was going to put up a fight for Single Payer, I recall counter-protesting against the so-called "Tea Party". In every instance the folks I hooked up with outnumbered the pathetic little protests that the so-called "Tea Party" organized by an order of magnitude. The capitalist mass media would go through all kinds of contortions to get the right camera angles on the half dozen or so teabaggers to make their numbers look bigger, even using footage of the counter-protest in their news segments instead clips of the teabaggers themselves. Naturally, the mass media almost never mentioned the counter-protests and magnified the teabag protests.

[Aside: this was to provide the illusion of opposition to Single Payer to justify the Dims refusal to enact it]

This is the same mass media that today is likewise magnifying the threat of the "white supremacists", when in realty they don't really exist in any significant numbers. Revisit the article linked in this week's Open Thread On “White Fragility” - A few thoughts on America’s smash-hit #1 guide to egghead racialism" by Matt Taibbi. It is a useful counterargument against calling everyone who is proud of their Irish, or Italian, or Russian heritage a "white supremacists", which is indeed what is being very heavily promoted within the "soft" pseudo-intelligentsia at this moment.

There is the potential to have a rational approach to the problem of racism, but we are not seeing anything remotely like that in America right now. Every public figure who even tries to approach the issue rationally these days is "cancelled" by the nation's professional trend setters in the "soft" pseudo-intelligentsia. We are so deep into irrationality on the subject these days that trying to look at racism rationally is itself seen as racist.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2020 20:43 utc | 175

Actually I'm not sure that Biden, if elected, would launch new wars. The US public is very resistant to American casualties. War on Iran would not be casualty-free.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 2 2020 21:08 utc | 176

Karlof1 @ 173

I am 1-1/2 miles north of Chicago line. Right here it is basically steady and flat, both on price and on sales volume. 2 miles north in Wilmette it is absolutely gangbusters. Of course the number of buyers who can pay inflated prices while simultaneously taking a total loss on their Chicago home is limited. 2-1/2 miles south I have an old friend who has been in same house since 1968. She is 92 and is the rare person her age who can and should live in her own single family residence if she wants to. A year ago she got daily offers to buy her house. Now her entire and rather large extended family is begging her to escape. Her neighbors are simply in terror, they can’t move out unless they can sell and they can’t even give away their houses.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Sep 2 2020 21:15 utc | 177

Laguerre @176--

Given the $$Trillions needed just to kept US-based asset prices inflated, I doubt if any war could be financed at the same time while he rest of the world stops buying US debt.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2020 21:18 utc | 178

Thanks for taking us back to Michael Hudson's essay, karlof1@ 161:

"The world thus has two options: a basically productive public financial system in China, or a predatory financial system in the United States."

This ties in with a question I've been mulling over: why is the People's Party effort underway now, and in the form it is taking?

I haven't investigated further than that first viewing of their website, which rather alarmingly (to me) zooms in on each profile while proclaiming the very basic tenet of 'money out of politics.' Plus, the timing seems to put its inception in opposition to voting as we currently perform that excercise.

I'd like to further ask, in Prof. Hudson's scenario above are only two options - is there a third? And does the People's Party entourage envision something different after the electoral process ends up a complete shambles worse than did the primary system, and one or other cadre of pro and anti groups cry havoc on hapless towns still caught in the grip of covid?

Maybe they all ride in on one of those pure white Toyota trucks, breach the White House bastions and declare it the People's Palace a la Andrew Jackson? (I can't remember how many of them there are, but something like "the Forum of Fourteen", a catchy new inner circle -- now that would be change we could sink our teeth into. (Only jesting, of course.)

It does feel a bit eerie coming up on the final months before. Dot, dot, dot.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2020 21:21 utc | 179

Sorry about that dangling "(" . Please take it as a grin, not a scowl.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2020 21:23 utc | 180

Oldhippie @177--

Thanks for your reply! I wonder if the stories are similar for other large urban/suburban areas East of Chicago. It's very difficult to get accurate reports on social conditions as they've become a political football.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2020 21:30 utc | 181

I vote we paint it pink, and the new flag have polka dots, not stars. Each state a world unto its own.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2020 21:34 utc | 182

Here in New Mexico we already have the right shaped capitol building - it's even called the Roundhouse!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2020 21:38 utc | 183

juliania @179--

Thanks for your reply and queries! As to the when for the PPA, it had to be started sometime, and now seems as good a time as any. Outcomes: Sure, there could be other alternatives but they'd be offshoots of the two proffered, IMO. Not discussed by Hudson but is by me and others is the big change that would need to happen in the USA's political economy for a Chinese hybrid to emerge--Collectivism would need to supplant Individualism and a different bottom->up democratic system would need to be formatted in the face of heated resistance--unless--the oligarchs and its Duopoly get completely and utterly discredited, no easy feat given their control over media. But the one major factor that must change is for people to become Class aware and drop the contrived Left/Right dichotomy so solidarity can be attained against the oppressor, parasitic Rentier Class. And that won't be easy either as 100+ years of indoctrination will need to be overcome.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2020 21:53 utc | 184

Americans amaze me! As a European I amazed at the non ability to seek a common ground.
But maybe I am to stupid to see.

Posted by: Den lille Abe | Sep 2 2020 21:58 utc | 185

All kidding aside, yes, karlof1 @ 173:

"...Is it the older generation cashing and moving out to what they perceive as more peaceful environs?"

That is definitely happening also where I live. There have been vacant properties in my area for some time that have suddenly had trucks pull up (not Toyotas) to renovate exteriors and interiors for their new owners, and I'm guessing that is the motivation. If you can't or don't want to go a long long way from family, this is the next best option.

Maybe it's the start of The Levelling?

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2020 22:10 utc | 186

@ Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 2 2020 14:24 utc | 136

I'm just saying that it happened once, and it can happen again. Civil war is not an alien concept for the American people.


@ Posted by: jinn | Sep 2 2020 19:18 utc | 166

Yes, it wasn't the fault of the person who bought a mortgage, but of the banks who secretly recycled those mortgages as AAA debt in the form of CDOs and MBSs to other financial institutions. This generated a vicious cycle, where prices of homes begun to rise constantly, so the average Joe realized he could bet on the price of his new home against his mortgage, which in turn induced him to buy more mortgages, which in turn kept being recycled and so on.

But the core is the same: nobody believed homelessness was a thing in America. Everybody could buy a home because the needed a home and happened to live in the best nation of the world (so there wasn't any reason they wouldn't).

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2020 22:11 utc | 187

For juliania | Sep 2 2020 | @179

caucus99percent where i cross-post is Wild for the People's Party! had embedded the entire 5 hours of their virtual convention, but here are some cherry-piked short-cuts:

Posted by: wendy davis | Sep 2 2020 22:26 utc | 188

karlof1 @ 184, I agree with you on collectivism, and think that in small ways that is already happening. I emphasize 'small' because it seems to me small is far easier to begin a new order. That is where perhaps the difference as to either Russia or China and their state restructuring was done. For this country, what it has traditionally had to work with has been small communities - it never had been until recently a uniform business oriented civilization. But the same policies of building on traditions are the ones that will work here, and it may be easier than we envision. It may simply be a matter of stepping aside as the great megaliths come crashing down of their own accord.

We can humbly tell Franklin, "Sorry, we couldn't keep it. But we will try again." And when that starts to happen will be the exciting time. God bless the babes being born now -they will see it!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2020 22:52 utc | 189

Thank you, wendy davis @ 188, I will check it out. 5 hours, ai carramba!

Posted by: juliania | Sep 2 2020 22:55 utc | 190

Win, lose, or tie the water cannons come out Nov. 4

Posted by: Anunnaki | Sep 2 2020 23:24 utc | 191

@ juliania | 190

no, sorry; those are shorter cherry picked videos, one beginning with old sourpuss chris hedges.
i had to laugh though, as brother cornell west is one of the VIPs in the Peoples Party, yet recently on the Rising tied himself in knots advising: Vote Biden. not Vote Green, mind you...

EXCLUSIVE: Cornel West On Whether The Left Should Stick With Dem Party Or Make A Clean BREAK

if you'd like the full five+ hours, let me know, but it's on youtube.

Posted by: wendy davis | Sep 2 2020 23:32 utc | 192

Den lille Abe @185: "I amazed at the non ability to seek a common ground."

How can someone find common ground with "others" whom they are absolutely and 100% certain are completely wrong in every possible way? How does someone find anything in common with "others" whom they believe are evil incarnate? "What? You refuse to denounce your genetic heritage that leaves your skin paler than other people's skin?!?!?! You're a monster! Eeeevil!"

That's really how much lunacy we are dealing with here.

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 2 2020 23:51 utc | 193


The first American People's Party arose in small farming and ranching communities where all the residents faced the same problems thus making solidarity easy. Transmitting their basic message from small town to small town via the Stump Speech was easy at the time and often done on muleback. The story is told by Lawrence Goodwyn in his Democratic Promise: The Populist Moment in America, which you can freely read at the link if you're a member, which costs nothing. If you prefer a hard copy, the abridged version can be found for $4+ and is known as The Populist Moment: A Short History of the Agrarian Revolt in America, while the unabridged is rare, hard to find and expensive at $100+ but free to read online. My copy is underlined, annotated and dogeared very generously, and I'm glad I got it before it became so rare. A similar task ought to be easier given today's technology; however, the task's greatly complicated by the fact that few citizens today share the same interests as did the Populists and have been well divided and arrayed against themselves as current events reveal. The fact that the vast majority of the citizenry identify with either faction of the Duopoly despite the lies and corruption show why Henry Wallace's 1948 campaign failed as his supporters deserted him as the election neared despite his popularity--old habits are hard to break. Take Obama's failure to do his job and arrest the fraudulent bankers in 2009 up with a longtime D-Party stalwart and you'll see what I mean; same with Trump's failure to arrest Hillary Clinton for her crimes and investigate the easily seen fraud of the Clinton Foundation--and he has the temerity to call himself a Law & Order President!

IMO, the project and effort will be worthy, but the long odds for success need to be admitted at the outset.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 2 2020 23:57 utc | 194

William Gruff @193--

Indeed, just getting humans to admit that there's only one race--The Human Race--is as difficult as climbing K2 without oxygen. Until the race and ethnic "Cards" are shredded, achieving solidarity amongst a citizenry divided in numerous different ways won't be possible.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2020 0:03 utc | 195

Trump winning means libs' tears.

So I'm gonna support that, and now he comes around to support Kyle. What's not to like?

Posted by: Smith | Sep 3 2020 0:07 utc | 196

@karlof1 195

People reject it because it's not frekking true. Solidarity can only be achieved when people accept that different kind of people/races exist instead of lying to themselves.

Posted by: Smith | Sep 3 2020 0:09 utc | 197

@ Smith | Sep 3 2020 0:09 utc | 197 who wrote

Solidarity can only be achieved when people accept that different kind of people/races exist instead of lying to themselves.

You should know by now that race is an invalid term to use with our species but I do agree that there are different kinds of social organization. I think what people in the West are lying to themselves about is that having a form of social organization/contract with global private finance at the core of all economic interchange is good for their humanity.

This same global private finance based form of social organization has a history of eliminating other kinds of social organization instead of competing on the world stage based on merit. I continue to posit that mankind is in a civilization war about the very issue you bring up, a multi-social-organization world, having both public and private finance at their core and competing globally on the merit of their form of social organization.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 3 2020 0:29 utc | 198

psychohistorian @198--

Thanks for pinch-hitting!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2020 0:43 utc | 199

karlof1 @195

Exactly! But then wouldn't "All Lives Matter"?

How could anyone be opposed to all lives mattering?

Posted by: William Gruff | Sep 3 2020 0:46 utc | 200

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