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September 01, 2020

Election 2020 - The Color Revolutions Are Coming Home

Yesterday the presidential candidate for the Democratic Party Joe Biden was allowed to leave his basement for a "campaign event" in Pittsburgh.


Here is one of the curious things he said (vid):

"Covid has taken this year, just since the outbreak, has taken more than 100 year, look, here's, the lives, it's just, when you think about it."

As Caitlin Johnstone sarcastically commented:

It's a good thing Obama intervened to coalesce the party against Bernie Sanders during the primaries or else they might have nominated an unelectable candidate.

During his speech Joe Biden rejected accusation that - if elected - he would implement policies that most Democrats favor:

"I am not banning fracking," Joe Biden says in his speech in Pittsburgh. "Let me say that again. I'm not banning fracking, no matter how many times Donald Trump lies about me."

A pro-Trump super PAC has aired ads in Pennsylvania falsely claiming Biden wants to ban fracking.

The same holds of course for Medicare for All.

Biden also said:

"Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting."

To which Kyle Kulinski remarked:

No normal human being with half a brain thought Joe 'crime bill' Biden was pro rioting and looting. But now he breathes life into the smear with this crap.
They have the political instincts of a dead gopher.

And Alan MacLeod snarked:

2020 election is like:

Trump's team: "Biden is a radical who'll give you healthcare, promote racial justice and fight the billionaires."
Biden: "I promise you I will do none of those things."

Biden is taking political positions that are way more conservative than his party's base. That may win him some republican votes but it also makes sure that the more progressive voters will not turn out or will vote for some third party candidate. 

Asides from that it is obvious that Biden has some mental problem. That is likely the reason why the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi urged him not to debate Donald Trump:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Thursday that former Vice President Joe Biden cancel his three scheduled debates with President Trump because the commander-in-chief would "belittle" the forum and engage in "skullduggery."

"I don't think that there should be any debates," Pelosi said out of the blue at a news conference at the Capitol, saying she doesn't want the debates to be "an exercise in skullduggery."

"I wouldn't legitimize a conversation with him, nor a debate in terms of the presidency of the United States. Now I know that the Biden campaign thinks in a different way about this."

The Biden campaign indeed wants three debates between Biden and Trump:

"As long as the [debate] commission continues down the straight and narrow as they have, I'm going to debate him," Biden said, adding that he'd call out any Trump lies in real-time.

"I’m going to be a fact-checker on the floor as I’m debating him," he added.

The quotes above demonstrate that such a "fact checking" strategy for Biden comes close to political suicide. If there are live debates between Biden and Trump the more confused old man will lose out. That is - for now - Joe Biden.

The Democrats know that. They are preparing a well known tactic to snap some victory from the likely defeat. As we described in a piece about Belarus some months ago:

Color revolutions are usually launched over controversial elections. The results are publicly put into doubt even before the election begins. When the results finally arrive western media will claim that they diverge from the expectation it created and therefore must have been faked. People will be pushed into the streets to protest. To increase the chaos some sharp shooters may be put to work to fire at the police and at protesters like it was done in Ukraine. The revolt ends when it is flogged down or when the U.S. favorite candidate is put into place.

If one replace 'U.S. favorite' with 'borg favorite' one can foresee how such a situation might develop.

Democrats under Hillary Clinton advisor John Podesta have war-gamed such scenarios. Their "Transition Integrity Initiative" report presumes, without much basis, that Trump will steal the November election:

Like many authoritarian leaders, President Trump has begun to lay the groundwork for potentially ignoring or disrupting the voting process, by claiming, for instance, that any mail-in ballots will be fraudulent and that his opponents will seek to have non-citizens vote through fraud. Similarly, he has frequently expressed the view that he is entitled to additional time in office and that his opponents are seeking to steal the election.

Diana Johnstone has looked at the details of the report. She concludes:

The classic regime change scenario involves a contested election, mass street demonstrations including civil disobedience and finally, military intervention.

So, to start with, the gamers posit an authoritarian leader who won’t step down. That’s Trump.

Next, “a show of numbers in the streets – and actions in the streets – may be decisive factors in determining what the public perceives as a just and legitimate outcome.” In an interview, stressing “the flaws in our electoral system,” Transition Integrity Project organizer Gilman said that what we need “is for people to be prepared to take to the streets in nonviolent protest” if appeals to officials do not suffice.

“We’ve learned over the last couple of months, since the Movement for Black Lives protest really took off again in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, that taking to the streets and showing commitment to a democratic process beyond just the ballot box is a really important part of driving change.” The demonstrations must be nonviolent, Gilman stressed.

As the Transition Integrity Project report put it, “the scale of recent demonstrations has increased the stakes for the Democratic Party to build strong ties with grassroots organizations and be responsive to the movement’s demands.”

The Democrats are ready to litigate the election as long as possible:

Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden told supporters Wednesday night his campaign assembled a team of 600 lawyers to fight against efforts he expects from President Donald Trump to limit voter participation in the upcoming election.

The former vice president made the remark when asked at a fundraiser what he planned to do to address the "very real concern" that the president would try to suppress the vote.
The team of 600 lawyers, along with 10,000 volunteers, would be in every state to figure out if any "chicanery is likely to take place."

A week ago Hillary Clinton urged Biden to not concede the election "under any circumstances":

[Clinton] said this year’s election day results might point to Trump having a narrow advantage. But in that case, Clinton said, “Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out.”
“Eventually I do believe he will win if we don’t give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,” Clinton said.

The task to preemptively seed doubts over the election results fell to a company that serves the Democrats' campaigns:

A top Democratic data and analytics firm told "Axios on HBO" it's highly likely that President Trump will appear to have won — potentially in a landslide — on election night, even if he ultimately loses when all the votes are counted.
Way more Democrats will vote by mail than Republicans, due to fears of the coronavirus, and it will take days if not weeks to tally these. This means Trump, thanks to Republicans doing almost all of their voting in person, could hold big electoral college and popular vote leads on election night.
"When every legitimate vote is tallied and we get to that final day, which will be some day after Election Day, it will in fact show that what happened on election night was exactly that, a mirage," [Hawkfish CEO Josh] Mendelsohn said. "It looked like Donald Trump was in the lead and he fundamentally was not when every ballot gets counted."

It seems clear that the Democrats will contest the election unless Joe Biden wins an electoral college majority. If Trump wins they will draw out any concession until the last mail in vote is counted and litigated through the last level of jurisdiction. They hope that the accompanying media attention, social media marketing and street action will wear down the support for Donald Trump.

The Democrats have already bought an echo chamber that will amplify whatever claim they will make:

The group, Defeat Disinfo, will use artificial intelligence and network analysis to map discussion of the president’s claims on social media. It will seek to intervene by identifying the most popular counter-narratives and boosting them through a network of more than 3.4 million influencers across the country — in some cases paying users with large followings to take side.

The large tech companies will work on the Democrats' side:

Facebook is preparing steps to take should Mr. Trump wrongly claim on the site that he won another four-year term, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Facebook is also working through how it might act if Mr. Trump tries to invalidate the results by declaring that the Postal Service lost mail-in ballots or that other groups meddled with the vote, the people said.

Street action will be implemented by well financed groups:

The Open Society Foundations, the philanthropic group founded by the business magnate George Soros, announced on Monday that it was investing $220 million in efforts to achieve racial equality in America, a huge financial undertaking that will support several Black-led racial justice groups for years to come.
Of the $220 million, the foundation will invest $150 million in five-year grants for selected groups, including progressive and emerging organizations like the Black Voters Matter Fund and Repairers of the Breach, a group founded by the Rev. Dr. William J. Barber II of the Poor People’s Campaign. The money will also support more established Black civil rights organizations like the Equal Justice Initiative, which was founded by the civil rights lawyer Bryan Stevenson and depicted in the 2019 movie “Just Mercy.”

The Open Society Foundations will invest an additional $70 million in local grants supporting changes to policing and criminal justice. This money will also be used to pay for opportunities for civic engagement and to organize internships and political training for young people.

With so much money in play a lot of people can be incentivized to take to the streets. These will be 'peaceful protests' but rioting may happen alongside them just as it did for the last 95 days in Portland and in many other places.

The Democrats have chosen an extremely weak candidate. To still have a chance to regain the presidency they are preparing for a strategy that is similar to the color revolutions the CIA has for many decades used against unwanted foreign governments.

Just like the weapons and tactics of foreign wars have found their way back into the streets of U.S. cities the color revolutions the U.S. applied elsewhere are now coming home.

I see no sign that Trump will sincerely contest the election should the vote be clearly against him. But the race is tight and the outcome will likely be decided in a few contested states. The Democrats are willing to battle for each of them. How can Trump respond to their plan to win a contested outcome by the means of a color revolution no matter what?

The best policy is likely to take the high ground and to expose the Democrats' campaign for what it is.

But Trump being Trump will not have the patience to sit through the process. He, and his supporters, will likely counterattack with all the means they have.

The lively street actions of the recent weeks may in retrospect look like the quiet before the storm.

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The one who is trying to delegitimate the election is Trump. The nonsense about voter mass mail-in vote fraud proves this. That alone proves everything in this post is wrong, akin to insisting "Black is white, because."

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 1 2020 18:23 utc | 1

So Biden supports both Fracking and the Green New Deal at the same time? How does that work out? He should definitely not appear at any live debates.

Posted by: Moe | Sep 1 2020 18:30 utc | 2

Here in Illinois mail votes must be postmarked by November 3 and received by November 17. Many states are using postmarked by November 3 and received by November 10. Either way absolutely guarantees no final election results before November 18. By then expect chaos.

Should also remind all that US does not have national elections. We have 3000 county elections that formerly all happened on same day. County clerks and county boards of election commissioners have substantial latitude for mischief. On their best day, these hacks are suspect. The Rube Goldberg mechanisms are retained to enable mischief.

Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 1 2020 18:36 utc | 3

It is simply amazing that Biden is the Democratic nominee for president. Either the Dems have a master plan (which is something the Saker is inclined towards) or they have gone bananas.

I don't know what ahppend to Joe but he is clearly incapable, and although I think he is wicked (eg Ukraine, Burisma, Clinton crime Bill etc) he is being cruelly used/abused by politicians who ought to know better.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas | Sep 1 2020 18:41 utc | 4

Indeed, what dems are trying to do and have since his inauguration is to wear down his support.

I don't believe that Biden is a weak candidate. Sanders was too risky in that Americans do not want major expansion of welfare and medicare (although I would see Medicaid expansion as a larger safety-net). The Dem estab was too powerful to let Bernie in. Besides, he didn't even put up a fight. He is very, very naive.

Not so with the Rethugz who were genuinely surprised that DJT won in 2016. They didn't defend their party because they were too gobsmacked by the insane levels of support for POTUS' nationalist-messaging.

To summarize: Elite dems are vastly more organized and dictatorial within the DNC than the loosely-confederated GOP which has a disparate electorate which was heavily infiltrated by nationalist sentiment.

The Dems have contingency plans galore and what their elite wanted was Biden. It makes no difference that Bernie was more electable.

But they are still very stupid to think that Trump support is or would be waning.

On the contrary...

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Sep 1 2020 18:43 utc | 5

In 2000, it was R-Party Stormtroopers led by Bolton and the USSC that made Bush POTUS--what many described as a Judicial Coup then and later. But did that outcome really matter since 911 was going to occur regardless of who won in 2000. As has been observed by many over the past decades, electoral presidential politics has always been undemocratic and rigged in some manner. The one saving grace of Madison's political theory was that of competing factions and interest groups balancing each other, but that was thrown out in favor of having one faction/political party control the Executive instead of keeping with the original plan for the loser to become Vice-President and thus maintain a countervailing power within that branch that we can now see as having been essential to the success of Madison's plan. 200+ years later, we can see how poorly designed Madison's construct has become and the prescience of those known as the Anti-Federalists in their insistence that the Executive be given fewer powers and be more closely controlled.

I again link Finnian Cunningham's op/ed, "Why the US is Doomed," which looks at what is easily seen on the surface. For those wanting to look into the fine print, I suggest Hudson's newest essay, "How an 'Act of God' Pandemic is Destroying the West," which deals with the actual political-economy driving force behind both Trump and Biden. I've voted for an alternative party candidate since 1992 and will do so again. Yes, I'm aware that won't change our direction. I again post Cunningham's conclusion:

"What the US needs is a mobilization of the population against the corrupt oligarchy of which Trump and Biden and their party cronies are creations. Until that happens, the US is doomed to descend into even more failure with frightening potential for civil war and fascism. All because the political disease of American corporate capitalism is allowed to persist."

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 18:45 utc | 6

#1, elections all across the world, throughout history, were based on passion and number of votes. If everyone voted equally, the entire world would be in a different shape. The whole foundation of democracy is based on "if you don't vote, the more passionate members of the society get a share of your vote".

Posted by: A | Sep 1 2020 18:56 utc | 7

Interesting, i have been expecting somewhat of a similar scenario myself also... one wonders how much chaos will be generated internally, and how much potential that will offer for some overdue payback for the decades of US foreign meddling. From "friends" like Italy 1948 to "foes" like Belarus 2020, China and Russia must be salivating and well prepared with all sorts of options, surely. Just imagine a sniper on the loose in an armed to the teeth Antifa vs MAGA's scenario and all the dominoes that could knock down... Schadenfreude aside... we may have interesting times ahead indeed.

Posted by: Et Tu | Sep 1 2020 19:00 utc | 8

@Moe | Sep 1 2020 18:30 utc | 2
Biden should definitely appear in live debates. Why should he hide from the voters?

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 1 2020 19:02 utc | 9

Democrats folded with barely a whimper in 2000 and 2004. This time I expect them to whimper somewhat more...then fold. Appeasement is part of the Democratic leadership’s DNA. And Biden, that senescent empty suit, whose chief accomplishment in life was to float to the top, is nothing if not a supreme appeaser.

Democrats exist only for the purpose of providing a nominal opposition, enough to co-opt any movement on the left. But they mostly just rubber stamp Republican initiatives. Heck, they even renewed Trump’s massive surveillance powers with nothing more than a voice vote. Talk about being covertly in bed with Trump? You bet.

Posted by: JohnH | Sep 1 2020 19:09 utc | 10

b: The best policy is likely to take the high ground and to expose the Democrats' campaign for what it is.

It would be best if b and others WHO KNOW BETTER exposed the US political system for what it is.

Sadly, too many are willing to pretend that there is nothing wrong with two parties that are merely fronts for the same interests: Deep State, MIC, business groups and Israel.

karlof1 @6, quoting Finnian Cunningham gets it right: "The best policy is likely to take the high ground and to expose the Democrats' campaign for what it is."

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Voting for one of the two major Parties is wasting your vote. Instead, vote for any third-party like: Greens; People's Party; Pirate Party, etc. Or 'deface' your vote with a write-in (Putin, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, etc.), or just don't vote.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 1 2020 19:09 utc | 11

"It is simply amazing that Biden is the Democratic nominee for president. Either the Dems have a master plan ... or they have gone bananas..."
The Democrats, led by Obama et al, are not very bright. But they are easily understood- they genuinely feared the Sanders campaign and the movement it was starting. Sanders' policies were, and are, very popular and the Democratic leadership knew it. They were determined to keep the USA safe for neo-liberalism even if that meant facilitating Trump's re-election.
As a matter of fact they have rather enjoyed having Trump as President- he has done nothing that they really disapproved of, he has greatly boosted the Black Community's view that they have no choice but to vote Democrat, even if that means backing a racist Tory like Biden, and in the end he, like them, has been a pliant tool in the hands of the MIC and the Deep State.
It is no accident that among Kamala Harris's contributors were Trump, Kushner and, of course, Mnuchin- Trump is actually a Democrat of the Clinton persuasion and greatly preferred over Sanders.
Incidentally, in their corrupt campaigns against Sanders in both 2016 and this year the Democrats have provided masses of evidence that postal voting and delayed counts are open invitations to criminals of the sort who run the DNC. The insecurities of the various voting systems have been obvious since 2000 but Democratic lawmakers who by definition have benefited from the current system have missed numerous opportunities to reform it- and now their are hoist be their own petard.
The weakness of Biden's candidacy is so obvious that the question of his corruption, in plain sight, in Ukraine has not even been raised.
The mind boggles at the notion that anyone will vote for Biden. Or Trump. The electoral system is simply withering away into irrelevance- the "most important election ever' in the minds of some liberals is looking much more like the final whimper of a clapped out system. What comes next looks more and more like a Second Amendment celebration.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 1 2020 19:18 utc | 12

For some time Mexico and Canada have had citizens who sense their countries have been kicked in the slats by Washington. You might find there are people a bit closer than Russia to USA who are salivating at watching for benefits that might arise to them from discord in USA.

Posted by: watyler | Sep 1 2020 19:20 utc | 13

I find it hard to believe that Sleepy Joe took most of the states on Super Tuesday. I was shocked that so many people would vote for someone who even then was showing signs of not playing with a full deck. That vote had to be fixed. If so, why would the DNC run a fraudulent vote and pick Joe? Did the DNC have no intention of winning? Where they scared of an outlier winning the nomination? Couldn't they find someone in the hundreds of millions of American citizens who would be a viable candidate? Most of the candidates had that "last chicken in the shop look" and had more than one skeleton in the closet. Time is running out to replace Joe if that is what they plan on and that is what I think they will do. Elections where one side runs a disastrous campaign usually result in a review of what went wrong and make the necessary changes. The DNC spent the last four years in denial and are stuck with the same script this time around with a dash of insurrection thrown into the mix. I hope there will be debates. I have the popcorn on standby.

Posted by: Tom | Sep 1 2020 19:21 utc | 14

My wife and I have agreed that we are going to the polls in person.

What a mess this election is going to be. You can bet your bottom dollar that Democrats will be
creating massive fraud and not only via the mail-in ballots. Corruption is the DNC's most prominent feature.

Howard Hawkins or Trump? I am a Green Voter but I loathe and fear the DNC and there should be payback for
their treason before and after 2016.

Posted by: librul | Sep 1 2020 19:23 utc | 15

As the Rabbit announced several days ago, there's now a People's Party within the Outlaw US Empire and it held a virtual convention few would know about unless they read about it here or at the party's website. One thing's certain, lots of bandwidth will be used up and electrons flung every which-way as writings related to the election increase in number. Chris Hedges put it all thusly:

"Only one thing matters to the oligarchs, it is not democracy, it is not truth, it is not the consent of the governed, it is not income inequality, it is not the surveillance state, it is not endless war… it is the primacy of corporate power, which has extinguished our democracy and left most of the working class and the working poor in misery."

Lack of numbers and visibility ensures the People's Party will go nowhere in 2020. But if it can stick to fundamental issues of political-economy and the lack of justice for all while avoiding identity politics, it might gain traction since so many are turned off to the usual, longstanding bullshit.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 19:23 utc | 16

Orrrrrrrr Biden continues to fragment, suffers a miserable defeat and we never get to see if or when the above scenario plays out.
How many Republicans are going to be tempted to jump ship for a candidate that has difficulty completing a coherent sentence? How many progressives are going to hold their noses and vote for no benefits and more foreign wars?
If DNC aren't colluding with the GOP to keep Trump in office,
they are doing a good job of looking like it.

Posted by: Carol Davidek-Waller | Sep 1 2020 19:24 utc | 17

I cannot find any other "reasonable" explanation - it appears the dummies are throwing the election for the chosen one.

Everything is B/S.

Posted by: jared | Sep 1 2020 19:28 utc | 18

It appears that the repubs are going to have to carry Biden to the finish.

My vote does not count anyway as I live in a blue zone, so I intend to write in Tulsi.
Otherwise I suppose I would be forced to accept Trump.

It's just total B/S. Tired of pretending.

Posted by: jared | Sep 1 2020 19:31 utc | 19

Both these guys are clueless about the existential threats that the human race is facing - ecological catastrophe and nuclear war of some kind. It's a near miracle that the species has made it this far with all the suicidal technology at its disposal.

Neither of these two wankers has a clue - I put moderates like Sanders and Warren somewhat in the same place as the progressive democrats of the FDR administration all those years ago - they would have made enough reforms to the currently corrupted corporate capitalist system to keep it working better and alive. A green new deal is certainly imperative within the next few years, or else...the consequences are dire. But meanwhile back at the ranch, we have these two nitwits fighting it out. I haven't heard Biden say much of anything progressive in his life and his current "centrist", really, right-wing rhetoric, will not play well with the sizeable progressive minority in the Party - he could well lose a legitimate election having alienated them; like trump would lose alienating his crackpot evangelical wing.

Color revolution or clear electoral victory, how any kind of a Biden administration is going to get us through any of these two existential threats is beyond me. The democratic leadership and all the Oligarchs behind them are clueless, cruel, wantonly greedy and power mad. The super-rich will in fact get what they want and need pretty much regardless of which of the two is... uh...elected.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 1 2020 19:31 utc | 20

I disagree on this one.

By itself, a colored revolution can get nothing. The "dictator" can wait for the time when protesters get tired.

In truth, a colored revolution is a democratic disguise of a coup. In order to succeed, the military and/or the police chiefs must take side with the protesters. Generally speaking, they had been previously bought by some US agency.

In that case of a colored revolution at home, life-long mass protests would give nothing, but eventually legitimate the want of the current military/intelligence deep state.

What should be thought about is that strange story from the WaPo:

That story looks somewhat fabricated, because Milley and Esper are asked by two Representatives who came themselves from the military/intelligence apparatus. And the Wapo is The Voice of Pentagon.
What does that mean?

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 1 2020 19:33 utc | 21

The best policy is likely to take the high ground and to expose the Democrats' campaign for what it is.

But Trump being Trump will not have the patience to sit through the process.

He won't do that because, in all likeliness, he's also using the same tactics (remember Cambridge Analytica).

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2020 19:40 utc | 22

One wishes b had included a little more (recent) historical context for contested elections in the USSA. Back in 2000 and 2004. I was myself a USsian and I witnessed electoral theft during both of those elections.

karlof1 references the partisan 5-4 SCOTUS decision for which the conservative justices like Sandra Day O'Connor (from west Texas where I lived) colluded to hand the presidency to George W. Bush - a man that not many suspected of being a neocon (not even sure if that term was yet coined) and who ran as a "compassionate conservative" even while left-leaning Texans as well as many others warned against this false image. He had some real issues that the media overlooked in their war on Al Gore. (which destroyed or at least added some previously missing context from the myth of the liberal or leftist mainstream media).

But what karlof1 failed to mention was the thuggish looting and riots by the conservative right in order to help Bush and Cheney steal the election and lead us into two wars, both on fraudulent bases, after the inevitable 911 karlof1 pointed out, but the 2nd of which I am confident Al Gore would not have embarked upon. That was a daddy thing for Shrub and I can promise you that 90% of those currently commenting at MoA from the American right were in full support of it at the time. They have conveniently become anti-interventionists after the Obama foreign policy series of disasters, but mark my words - if there is written record, those who back Trump at MoA can be shown to have been full throated shout-down artists with the labels of "you're with us or against us" or "you're a terrorist sympathizer" when we pushed back on the obviously phony reasons for invading Iraq.

But I digress. That seems like eons ago.

On another topic, somewhat akin to a psy-op, I wonder if b will ever decide to tackle the issue of "Q" - which has gained so much traction with Trump supporters and the right in general. What if Trump DOES lose a close popular vote and the electoral college? Will Q tell his minions to rise up?

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 19:46 utc | 23

I neglected to add that I also do not think Gore would have invaded and occupied Af-Pak in the same way that Bush II and Cheney did. It was precisely the fact that Bush had deep personal and business ties to Saudi Arabia that was behind, while all other commercial aviation was grounded, the Saudis in the States at the time of 911 to flee back to their country by air - and - which prevented (and to this day remains largely sealed/redacted) a full account of the *obvious to anyone with eyes* Saudi role in planning and perpetrating the attack.

In order to distract from this (which the "leftist" commercial media was happy to help with, BTW), the anthrax mailings began, thus launching Mr. Mueller into the spotlight for the first time and using Fort Detrick's germ lab to disperse anthrax to politicians and media in order to make the public forget about Saudi Arabia and to lay the ground work for the push to invade Iraq.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 19:52 utc | 24

The dye is cast! The United States is sliding ever deeper into the sewer with further dysfunction and disintegration baked into the cake. It doesn't matter who wins the election. The structural realities and policy directions provide an inertia which will not be reversed. It can't be reversed because of the abject ignorance of the politicians and the out-and-out corruption endemic in the upper echelons of the political, financial, economic, and media and other spheres of the society.

It is just a question of which of the Republicans or Democrats in control of government will accelerate the decline. My understanding of how things work suggest to me that a Democrat victory would be the greater debacle but I could be wrong. In any case, my hope is that Trump wins the election and for one reason only. It is because the Democrat party is very actually more akin to a criminal gang than a political party. The leading movers and shakers in that party are some of the most debauched humans from among us. Utterly bent, twisted and warped in their inner makeup. Within the context of western democracies, they demonstrate these sick and perverted characteristics to a level unmatched elsewhere and it's something I wouldn't have been able to imagine if I was not actually witnessing it.

Posted by: Ray Warkentin | Sep 1 2020 19:54 utc | 25


There is nothing in Biden's skull to dugger with.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2020 19:55 utc | 26

So, it appears the Trump Repubs are the party of rank, know-nothing stupidity, authoritarianism, and pugnacious belligerence.

The Dems are the party of the mil-security-congressional-think tank-university-and above all corporatist system with absolute support of the bureaucracy and almost the entire media including the internet big wigs.

Trump may dream about authoritarianism ... the Dems are used to it, clothed in the velvet of performance democracy.

Really difficult choice, this.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 1 2020 19:58 utc | 27

if there is written record, those who back Trump at MoA can be shown to have been full throated shout-down artists with the labels of "you're with us or against us" or "you're a terrorist sympathizer" when we pushed back on the obviously phony reasons for invading Iraq.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 19:46 utc | 23


Its always amusing to watch people acting all internet-tough guy by making claims which they have neither the intention of, nor the ability to, substantiate.

Posted by: Conta-Conspiraloon | Sep 1 2020 20:02 utc | 28

I neglected to add that I also do not think Gore would have invaded and occupied Af-Pak in the same way that Bush II and Cheney did


Well Obama's first act as president was to bomb the shit out of border areas in Pak, so I would be so certain of that if I were you.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 1 2020 20:06 utc | 29

Covid is eagerly waiting for the election in November to start a more devastating wave.
Good luck to any of the candidate!

Posted by: Virgile | Sep 1 2020 20:06 utc | 30

**** so I wouldn't be so certain .....

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 1 2020 20:07 utc | 31

I wouldn't worry about it. Whatever efforts Dems will make or pretend to make will solely be for the benefit of their donors, and the remaining Dem loyaltist voters who think the Party is actually opposed to Trump.

Everything is gravy now, the Democrats already won their real 2020 election by defeating Sanders. The one in November is an afterthought. If Trump wins they may do some performative BS like impeachment/Russiagate, but in truth they'll be fine with it. Still corporatist and racist policies. The ONE thing they may actually truly want Biden instead of Trump for is for increased warmongering. Hence all the GOP warmongers endorsing Biden. Trump hasn't destroyed enough countries or killed enough hundreds of thousands of innocent foreigners for their liking. He even tried to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, Germany, Syria, potentially South Korea. Each time Dems and GOP congresspeople united in thwarting that. Biden will likely do the opposite and increase the "greatest purveyor of violence in the world"'s violence.

Posted by: Soft Parade | Sep 1 2020 20:08 utc | 32

This is so far from the reality in the United States that it makes me question everything I have read on this site about countries I don’t know much about.

Posted by: Mouse | Sep 1 2020 20:11 utc | 33

@ Soft Parade | Sep 1 2020 20:08 utc | 32

I think it more likely is that the dems have been told they are to lose so as not to disrupt the current foreign policy agenda and they may continue soft-coup by means of obstruction, which they have down to a dismal science.

Posted by: jared | Sep 1 2020 20:24 utc | 34

Mouse #33

Do elaborate on your view of reality. From what I read in a broad range, this is an adequate description of current USA stupidity.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2020 20:25 utc | 35

_K_C_ @23--

Thanks for referencing my thoughts. However, I did write: "In 2000, it was R-Party Stormtroopers led by Bolton and the USSC that made Bush POTUS," so I did mention "the thuggish looting and riots by the conservative right" you said I omitted.


There're a few things occurring outside the Empire that might have some affect, the brewing crisis over Taiwan that I've been closely following is #1 as the utter ineptness of Pompeo and Trump are quite likely to provoke the crossing of a Chinese Red Line that causes China to react militarily to defend its sovereignty--China is the UN-recognized sovereign regarding Taiwan. Then there's the still incomplete revenge for Soleimani's murder to be enacted by Iran--Biden is said to favor rejoining the JCPOA. However, aside from that, I don't see anything occurring in the Afghan or Syrian theatres capable of affecting the election, or Korea I ought to add.

IMO, Trump's Do Nothing COVID Policy and the dysfunction it's caused might be the #1 wild card as the number of deaths and infection rates continue to climb while the economy continues to stagnate and be robbed by the Financial Parasites. Economic dislocation tends to harm the incumbent as with Carter then GHW Bush most recently. Sixty-two more days to go.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 20:28 utc | 36

_K_C_ #23

By Q do you mean the Mercers?

Do post a link or two for me to consider.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2020 20:32 utc | 37

Wow, this is amazingly right on. This is exactly what the more astute of Americans (all 10 of them) have been saying for weeks.
It is clear that the most powerful members of the US ruling class hate Trump and want him out, as they have been saying for the last 4 years. Biden is a place holder and we will see who Harris chooses as vice president after he is removed, to see who the real choice is.

Yes, we are in the midst of a Color Revolution, with the gangs of street criminal players already in the streets. Social media is under a big crackdown, in order to stop citizens from discussing matters among ourselves. The plan is to keep the election open long enough to cause widespread unrest and then put in the Dems.
Americans are complaining that 2020 has been an unpleasant year, but we haven't seen anything yet.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 1 2020 20:35 utc | 38

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 19:46 utc | 23

Well, everybody can see it's not me but _K_C_ who went off-topic when asking about Qanon.
Since Q released its video clip "The Great Awakening", I believe that Qanon <==> Steve Bannon
This guy has been indicted quite recently. Would be interesting to see how that event translates in Qanon discourse.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Sep 1 2020 20:36 utc | 39

No offense, but you sound like an elaborate Tronald fan. I admit that Biden is the second worst possible candidate - and also president - after Hillary. But he will win. A broom would win. It is Tronald who tries to delegitimize / manipulate the election, if necessary to start a civil war, so that he can then act as the great law and order inforcer.

And I still expect a military escalation somewhere, preferably with the Chinese, about 2 weeks before the elections.

Posted by: pnyx | Sep 1 2020 20:44 utc | 40

George Szamuely argues "US foreign policy elite wants Biden & detests Trump because President failed to launch new NATO missions to justify its existence." But does such a small group have enough pull to swing the election to Biden? A group calling themselves Former Republican National Security Officials for Biden has issued a Statement and calls others to join them. After listing Ten main Points, here's their conclusion:

"While some of us hold policy positions that differ from those of Joe Biden and his party, the time to debate those policy differences will come later. For now, it is imperative that we stop Trump’s assault on our nation’s values and institutions and reinstate the moral foundations of our democracy."

I suggest looking at who has signed on and then take a gander at this article, "Let them eat yellowcake: As Powell backs Dems, warmongers seek to regain full control of US policy, regardless of what voters want." Combined, does it seem like RT favors Biden or has/will it publish comparable articles pushing Trump?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 21:00 utc | 41

B, the scenario you're painting here sounds like a potential civil war to me. As in so long "United" States of America. After their coup d'etat the Obama administration placed real Nazis in the post Maiden govt in Ukraine. One wonders who the DNC will have this time for the terror campaign to enforce obedience and carry out pogroms on that part of the country that didn't vote for Biden.

Posted by: John H | Sep 1 2020 21:10 utc | 42

#40: "And I still expect a military escalation somewhere, preferably with the Chinese, about 2 weeks before the elections."

What if instead you get a peace October Surprise? What if Trump announces all troops out of Syria and Iraq by end of the year in October as a way to shake things up? What would the "left" do?

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 1 2020 21:11 utc | 43

thanks b... i think your overview on where this election is headed is probably close to what is going to happen... i see it being contested no matter what.. the irony of colour revolution type tactics in the country known for this all over the world is especially disconcerting if only for the mayhem it will generate... but i do believe the seeds for this have been evident for some time... i also share @karlof1 and jackrabbits viewpoint expressed in the Finnian Cunningham article @6 which karlof1 linked to... jackrabbit and i have been fairly consistent on this topic - it is a duopoly working hand in hand with one another, although they act like all star wrestling for the msm...

it is more of empire in decline... trump is like nero here.... it doesn't matter who leads the usa at this point... one might hasten a faster exit stage left, but it is coming either way.. as b notes - "The lively street actions of the recent weeks may in retrospect look like the quiet before the storm." i share this viewpoint... it bodes ill for canada, mexico and the rest of the world too as i see it..

astrologers are divided on the outcome for nov 3rd fwiw... there is an exact mercury station on nov 3rd - 12:49:34 pm washington dc time... mercury is the god of communication... it is square saturn the god of discord... the communications look rife with strife for the date of the election... it will be a long way to the inauguration date jan 20th 2021.. a lot can happen in between... blame my viewpoint on the fatalistic viewpoint of a person who tries too hard to look around the corner into the future.. i hope i am wrong in my shared viewpoint with b's last comment..

Posted by: james | Sep 1 2020 21:15 utc | 44

Biden's mental problem or actually just stuttering

I hate Biden and I am not voting for him but after I discovered that he has dealt with a lifelong stuttering condition, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his mental status. Stuttering is a neurological disorder that afflicts 3M Americans which inhibits your ability to 'spit it out'.

Absurd spin on Covid19 and Russia

"...The death toll increased .. to 17,299, a strikingly low mortality rate, even as many experts suspect that Russia has dramatically undercounted deaths.
Russia is now behind only the US, Brazil and India for largest outbreak in the world."

Classic BS. Russia has 1M cases while the other three countries have 14M, that is 14 times more but let's make it sound bigger by saying 'only surpassed by three other countries'. Also, there is no evidence that Russia is lying about their mortality rate but rather than accuse them directly use deflection, 'many experts suspect'.

Russia's death rate is impressively low but on a par w/Germany. Is Germany lying? Their death rate is 2.5% vs about 5% for the U.S. Hey why not try to find out how what they are doing right. Russia is treating patients with about three different antivirals, some which they actually developed, while we are messing around w/voodoo and witchcraft. We are using one anti-viral which was never actually approved for any therapeutic use, remedisivir. Maybe we messed up.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 1 2020 21:18 utc | 45

I was around in the 60s for those riots. These feel very different. these feel as if they are being manipulated. Assassinating Martin Luther King (MLK a vastly different man than the criminal victims sparking the present riots) - the Rodney King police all getting off even with that incendiary video - the overt racism at that time It also seems that they are helping Trump (but in a way not intended by the manipulators). This is because they are happening in areas where the elected officials are Democrats. So one would assume that Trump was manipulating the violence. However, the violence instigators are not the usual undercover police infiltrators or agent provocateurs such as those at the 1998 WTO protests. . They are instead more of the kinds of people that one would think Soros would use. His name and His NGOs always comes up in color revolutions. It does appear that the DNC is operating on the same low level intelligence as US foreign policy. I thought that if the economy tanked before the Nov election then the deep state doesn't want him re-elected Not that I think the timing of the plandemic decided tanking of the world economy was about defeating Trump Just a side benefit. Although it might have decided the timing.

Posted by: gepay | Sep 1 2020 21:40 utc | 46

Dave Lindorff writes about what ought to be one of the top issues of 2020--particularly for older voters over 50--the preservation of Social Security and Medicare, programs Trump in 2016 promised not to touch but recently has pledged to eliminate. After providing the facts of the situation, Lindorff's summation spells out the choices:

"Back in 2016, a majority of America’s older white voters, while saying that protecting Social Security was their biggest issue, believed candidate Donald Trump when he said he would not cut Social Security and Medicare benefits. Confident in that promise, they voted for him by a huge margin over his Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton. Now Trump, a consummate liar over the past four years, has betrayed them and all of us. If Trump wins a second term, it will be his last under the Constitution. Do you, as a retiree or soon-to-be retiree want to trust that he would not steal your earned benefits during a second term?"

IMO, Dave puts forth an excellent pocket-book argument too few will read but could certainly swing the election to Biden. In contrast to Lindorff, I chose to begin collecting my SS benefits early since it's quite possible I'll be defrauded of my contributions, which amounts to just short of $13K yearly and well below the poverty line. It's possible my interests will call for me to campaign against Trump while doing little for Biden. Not at all what I anticipated back in January.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 21:41 utc | 47

>>> I chose to begin collecting my SS benefits early <<<

I love how every financial analyst I read recommends the following ....
1. Don't collect Social Security until the day before you die so that you get largest possible first check.
2. Never ever buy gold.

It's like they are taken to a village and brainwashed. I get the idea of deferred gratification but I know someone who refused to collect Social Security until his late 70's. You have to factor in the missed years as well as the potential cutbacks.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Sep 1 2020 21:59 utc | 48

Caliman #43

What if instead you get a peace October Surprise? What if Trump announces all troops out of Syria and Iraq by end of the year in October as a way to shake things up? What would the "left" do?

Thank you and that is exactly what is needed.

Followed with an immediate pardon for Julian Assange and demand that the UK scumbags set him free.

That would implode the dumb demonazis and their republican handbags. The tinfoil separator between Biden's left and right brain would melt.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2020 22:02 utc | 49

As in 2016 it will not matter how people cast their vote as it's the electoral college that will pick the winner. If the Democrats didn't want to get trounced again they should have tried to annul the college or run a candidate that the college would consider voting for.

Posted by: Tobi | Sep 1 2020 22:03 utc | 50

What if instead you get a peace October Surprise? What if Trump announces all troops out of Syria and Iraq by end of the year in October as a way to shake things up? What would the "left" do?

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 1 2020 21:11 utc | 43



Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 1 2020 22:04 utc | 51

As in 2016 it will not matter how people cast their vote as it's the electoral college that will pick the winner. If the Democrats didn't want to get trounced again they should have tried to annul the college or run a candidate that the college would consider voting for.

Posted by: Tobi | Sep 1 2020 22:03 utc | 50


That's not how the electoral college works.

The votes are counted on a state by state basis

Killary didn't just lose the electoral college votes, she lost the public democratic vote in states she needed in order to give her enough electoral college votes to win

And if the Dems really wanted to change that they could easily have attempted to do so during the 8 year obama admin.

But they didn't, did they

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 1 2020 22:15 utc | 52

_K_C_ #23

I got tired of waiting for any response so I did a brief research and I wonder if the Biden script writers could get him to "condemn the Q theory that Trump and his allies are working with the military to expose the shadowy cabal of elites who control US politics and run child trafficking rings" Tom Malinowsky D.NJ "warned that letting the theory fester without condemnation could prove dangerous"- from The Hill.

Amazing Polly (a Q mouthpiece) has the story.

LMFAO - so far down the rabbit hole that that they are banging their heads on the earth's crust.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2020 22:31 utc | 53

In Russia, it's taught "Remembering is Knowing," which might also be called the great deficit of the US's electorate. Today in Russia is known as Knowledge Day, the first day of school. Within the Outlaw US Empire, there's no such thing; instead, we have numerous forget it all days which politicians greatly rely upon. The contrast IMO is beyond stark as IMO there's no USA politico capable of repeating Putin's words because--paraphrasing Obama--the past isn't to be remembered or those that inhabited it:

"What do I mean? Above all, the history of our country and respect for it. Also, our culture that has given us and the entire world a constellation of brilliant personalities and an immense number of masterpieces. And finally, our traditions. And of course, our common memory, which ties us inseparably to our ancestors, to many generations of people, our relatives, who lived, studied, started families and dreamed as we are dreaming today, and created. And they also defended all this. And all this is our Fatherland.

"This year we are celebrating the 75th anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War, the Great Victory. You are still very young but I am sure that the Great Patriotic War and the victory in that war is not just a page in a textbook for you, but an important part of not only our common history, the country’s history, but also your family history.

"I mean the stories told by you grandmothers and grandfathers about themselves and their relatives, their parents, grandmothers and grandfathers. Their carefully kept letters, photos and decorations are still preserved in many families.

"Practically every family has its own war heroes, and nearly every Russian city, town and village has war memorials where people come to pay their respects to those who fought heroically for our Motherland."

120-140 years ago within the USA similar words were spoken during presidential and other electoral campaigns, often derided as invoking the "Bloody Shirt" by D-Party people against their R-Party opponents. In today's Outlaw US Empire, those in control would rather everyone forget the Forever Wars and the trillion dollars that are wasted yearly to support them and the Empire. Putin can honestly talk about the past and often discusses the USSR's failings. IMO, no politico from the Outlaw US Empire is willing to touch on any of that if they desire to gain standing within their party. Tulsi Gabbard was probably the most honest POTUS candidate aside from Henry Wallace we've seen out of the Duopoly since WW2. But like the Duopoly's candidates, our political system is demented, senile, and very much out-of-touch with reality; so, less than a majority of citizens bother to vote, which is precisely what's desired by the Oligarchy that controls the Duopoly.

So, why remember our system sucks? In order to find the motivation to change it regardless of what's required to get that job done--that's why!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 22:36 utc | 54

There's Radon in that there frack. They should stop. Can't smell it in the morning.
Can Trump banish foreign NGOs? Sayanim Soros has always helped, but why? These large charitable foundations should be part of a reset without Davosian s. Is there a go-getter oligarch under-dog we can get behind to share the big dog's stuff? How many divisions do the Bahamas have? I wish for my neighbours peace at night.

Posted by: failureOfImagination | Sep 1 2020 22:47 utc | 55

"What if Trump announces all troops out of Syria and Iraq by end of the year in October"

That would be great if he did that it would make the election a referendum on wiping out the MIC which means that aint gonna happen for sure.

But what will happen anyway is trump will win. The reason he will win in 2020 is identical to what got him elected in 2016. Of all the voting precincts in the USA only about 5% decide the election. It comes down to a few precincts in a few states, but here is the thing 90% of Trump or Biden voters don't matter. The 10% of trump voters that do matter think they matter and will vote the 10% of Biden voters that matter will mostly not vote because the Democrats are not telling them that they matter. It is not an accident that the Democrats are telling the the voters that don't matter to get out and vote while ignoring the voters that do matter. Not in 2016 and not in 2020.

Posted by: jinn | Sep 1 2020 22:48 utc | 56


"Its always amusing to watch people acting all internet-tough guy by making claims which they have neither the intention of, nor the ability to, substantiate."

LOL. Not only is that projection (point to where I said anything remotely resembling a threat or tough guy posturing) but you totally missed the fact that it was exactly "internet tough guys" to whom I was referring from back in the first Bush II term.

And if I comment on something, it's because I am going from first hand experience, usually anyway. In this case I was for sure. And it would in fact of course be impossible to "substantiate" my speculation without all of us totally opening our social media accounts and/or pointing out commentary from the early 2000's that remains visible on the Internets. So yeah, and naw - What I *do* have is relatives and friends on Facebook and Instagram who were vocal Bush/Cheney war cheerleaders that now suddenly, with Trump having campaigned against Hillary from the left on foreign policy, are anti-war (with a few exceptions for Iran and Venezuela) and in fact, I have been challenged by a few of them in the same manner you just did only for me to dig deep in their timeline(s) to prove them wrong.

What percentage of the always-conservative-voting Trump supporters do *YOU* think were in the "you're with us or you're a terrorism supporter" camp in justifying the invasion of Iraq? From my own admittedly anecdotal experience, it's at least 65%.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 22:52 utc | 57

Of course as a foreigner I don't have much to say.

However I find it bizarre that Trump excuses a white kid who kills for no very good reason. I watched the videos, and it was clear that he shot when he wasn't threatened with death.

That will come out, I imagine.

Posted by: Laguerre | Sep 1 2020 22:54 utc | 58

Lot of people with theories and speculations here, but you all forgot one weapon Trump could've used to undermine this whole machine: a good government. You all are shitting your pants on Joe frickin' Biden because you know, deep down, that Trump just flat out sucks.

Posted by: vk | Sep 1 2020 22:56 utc | 59

@karlof1 - Indeed! My mistake as I had forgotten that John Bolton had a role to play in the Florida vote counting skulduggery. In fact he was right there in Tallahassee making baseless legal threats while the Brooks Brothers Riots occurred.

I am so glad I don't have to think so much about American politics anymore; at least for my own purposes. But I do have plenty of relatives all over the USSA and I don't like what I'm seeing for the coming November.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 22:59 utc | 60

C-C @ #29 -

Well Obama's first act as president was to bomb the shit out of border areas in Pak, so I would be so certain of that if I were you.

I'm not sure what Obama has to do with the conversation. The USSA was already deeply entrenched in Af-Pak when Obomber took over. He "inherited" Bush's wars no matter what he did or didn't do after that point.

My point, since you either missed it or weren't politically aware at the time, was that it was Bush's very deep ties to Saudi Arabia that completely removed that country from the radar while Amerikkka was thrashing about after 9/11 looking for less powerful countries to punch in the nose. Bush and Cheney were surrounded by neocons like Bolton who had long planned to invade Iraq, and I doubt Gore would have been able or willing to sell it to the American public and news media the same way they did. Probably would have been more no-fly zones and crushing sanctions, but definitely not a full scale invasion and regime-change operation. Not that I would have been OK with either.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 23:06 utc | 61

Tard Election 2020: Trump Moral Retard [Rep] v Biden Mental Dotard [Dem]. The billionaire trifecta. It doesn't matter nothing will change except the 'tone' and 'volume' which will come down. Policies? Not much. Advantage Trump he knows he's lying and doesn't care. Biden has just enough conscience to kinda sorta care which means Biden can lose it. By 'it' I mean the election. He's already lost 'it'. He entered his dotage when he became Obama's maitre d'.

Posted by: SteveLaudig | Sep 1 2020 23:07 utc | 62

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 1 2020 19:02 utc | 9
"Biden should definitely appear in live debates. Why should he hide from the voters?"

That's what I want to know! But in truth, I think he's screwed either way.

Posted by: Moe | Sep 1 2020 23:10 utc | 63

By the way, the Saker has a very interesting take on what will happen AFTER the election.

"Right now, there are a little over two months before the election, and I think that it is safe to say that the situation will deteriorate even faster and much worse. By November 2nd the country will be 'ready' (so to speak) for a massive explosion of violence followed by months of chaos.."

Posted by: Moe | Sep 1 2020 23:19 utc | 64

_K_C_ @60--

Thanks for your admission! I'm happy you made it out. I'd have done the same if it wasn't for familial responsibilities and now additional age related issues as that was my general plan in the early oughts. Could've gone to China and taught English and US History for decent money and benefits. My plan is to provide the material basis for my daughter to have few worries once I'm gone and she inherits. Frankly, I've dreaded this November since 20 January 2017 when Trump followed his predecessors and failed to uphold his oath of office and do his job. He's kept Pence as his insurance policy, but maybe they'll both go together and Pelosi will become POTUS?

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 23:20 utc | 65

ungle tungsten - sorry I was not ignoring you. I had a lot to get done this past evening and I was operating under the assumption that everyone, even here in EU, was aware of the "Q" phenomenon gripping the USSA's right/Trump faction. Throw in "Plandemic" (don't waste your time seeking it out, and if you do, don't say I didn't warn you) type viral videos which have become the main way that Americans "inform" themselves, and the situation back in the US looks a lot like a budding "Idiocracy" (do spend your time seeking that out, I promise you'll get at least a few laughs if you've not seen it already). Whoever wins between Trump and Biden, I can fully see a President Dwayne Elizondo Herbert Mountain Dew Camacho in the next decade.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 23:20 utc | 66

It's never declared, but deep down in US citizens' minds is (or should be) the realistic conclusion that in this much-heralded great democracy, the only bit of "democracy" is the quadrennial exercise of voting for one of only two schmucks (and nearly half the registered voters don't even do that). One never gets the chance to vote on anything substantive. The presidential election is the one major exercise in democracy, in fact the only one.

And now this last semblance of "democracy" is endangered, leaving absolutely nothing of "democracy." It seems likely that only a small percentage of registered voters will even vote (which seems to be Trump's plan). Actually that might be a good thing, since the claim wouldn't be practical any longer. Proclaiming the US a democracy would then be an obvious joke in everyone's mind.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 1 2020 23:22 utc | 67

Its fake wrestling. The agenda is to divide and rule. Ultimately they will break up the US into 13 pieces that are easier to control and reinvent the constitution to eliminate pesky rights and replace them with permissions and responsibilities before being merged into the world government that will apply a Technocratic Fascism under Agenda 2030
and its 17 Sustainable Development Goals

Before one can build the New Order the 4Th Industrial Revolution must demolish the old order, and that starts in the US. The global predator class in the US that rules the US, will rule the New Global Order as well. They are socio-paths who consider most people as subhuman and a virus that needs to be mostly eliminated as AI and Robotics make them redundant resource hogs.

As to the short term, more scamdemics, phony external wars, fake civil war and a fake contested election will eliminate whats left of peoples sanity. Soon population reduction will begin in earnest. No retirement worries for most of you.

Posted by: Kay Fabe | Sep 1 2020 23:26 utc | 68

Christian J. Chuba #48

I'll shout you a long drink for that one: ALWAYS store gold!

When the shtf it will be a helpfull currency in seriously tough times. Maybe not at the same $ value at time of purchase but transactable.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2020 23:36 utc | 69

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 1 2020 20:28 utc | 36

"I don't see anything occurring in the Afghan or Syrian theatres capable of affecting the election, or Korea I ought to add."

My thoughts are that any action in the Syrian theater will occur after the election in November. This has happened in the past. I agree with you regarding Taiwan. The US are appearing to be playing a dangerous game of chicken. The diplomatic toolbox for the US is pretty much empty except for threats, provocations, sanctions and colour revolutions. Iran and Hezbollah have the right approach. Their red lines are clear and Israel is cowering behind dummies (I don't mean Kushner) and robots. The US are awaiting further attacks on their troops in Syria and Iraq for their assassination of Qasem Soleimani. Russia had their red line crossed and look what happened in Crimea. I expect Syria, once Idlib is liberated will have a red line for Israel and its continuous attacks. One has to wonder if Pompeo is working for the resistance. Like Caliman #43 I hope the October surprise is troop withdrawals from Asia but expect more likely hostile actions likely in the waters between Taiwan and the mainland. There does seem to be a troop buildup in NE Syria confronting the Russians and Syrians. One can hope that the chaos in the aftermath of the election the resistance can clear up a few issues, like completion of Nordstream, liberating Idlib, but then aggression by the POTUS has been used numerous times to deflect from troubles at home. This tweet by Karl Sharro sums it up. "I don't know about the end of history but it definitely feels like we're in the semi finals."

Posted by: Tom | Sep 1 2020 23:39 utc | 70

I wonder if there is now a stalemate situation in government as the two supposed ins and outs have apparently realized that they neither of them know how to govern in a crisis, and the country (let alone the world) is now facing a number of such serious issues such as climate change and epidemic that its resources simply cannot cope.

I say this with respect to the reversals and conflicts on the covid scene. Someone, (it might have been karlof1) noted that in comparing the current protest scenario it might be helpful to flashback to 1968, when the two assassinations preceded the conventions leading up to an election in wartime, Vietnam being also a point of contention.

It is not only the populace at large that is becoming ungovernable; it is also the business world. The latter is ungovernable in the same sense that riots are taking place - it is becoming unmanageable insofar as it has all the sayso and the government has none. Lots of subterfuge has gone on to disguise this fact in the recent decades, but this one has been unable or unwilling to do so. Just look, for instance, at Nancy Pelosi; a sadder skeleton of her former self, but still there she props herself up against whatever podium there is, to spout her nonsense. And she even sends out letters - I got one - pleading for support. Did every potential voter get one? I can't imagine why I did.

Back a way,I had supposed that the US was repeating the USSR decline, with geriatric leaders being the last gasp of that governance, so that yes, the people enjoyed a brief seige upon government,and 'democracy' won out.

Who will be our Boris Yeltsin, I wonder?

Posted by: juliania | Sep 1 2020 23:41 utc | 71

"If there are live debates between Biden and Trump the more confused old man will lose out. That is - for now - Joe Biden."

Fortunately for b, he added the provisio, "for now". Because Trump is at least as confused as Biden is, as any reading of one of Trump's Cabinet meeting transcripts or interviews would show.

As for Trump trying to steal the election, he absolutely will. He's made that perfectly clear with all his "mail-in ballot" nonsense. Plus, as a raving narcissist, there's no way he's going to accept any defeat which isn't massive and overwhelming. Of course, neither will the Democrats.

Not that anyone should care. The US is an oligarchy and who the figurehead President is has long been irrelevant.

I was amused when someone the other day suggested that if Trump loses, there will be more riots and the like from the right wing. I'm amused because all of the right-wing militia-type preppers and pro-gun people I read have declared the exact opposite - they assume that if Trump wins, there will be riots from the left wing. So both sides are obviously gearing up for violence - which is why the rest of the prepper community is preparing for large-scale riots and lootings. Which means everyone is expecting large-scale violence for the period at least between November 4 and January 21.

Considering that all this will be happening in the middle of the second wave of the pandemic, I'd suggest everyone lay in a stock of food enough to last a month or more over your normal consumption - because we're likely to be in martial law for a while after November and you won't be going anywhere for a while. If you thought the lockdown was fun, you're really going to like this winter.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 1 2020 23:47 utc | 72


It goes something like this...

Dallas,in response to Ripley's questions regarding Science Officer Ash's decision to bring Alien lifeform back to Earth for study by the Science Division: "Look,I just run the ship! ..

Ripley: How can he have that kind authority? .. Dallas??

Dallas: Because THAT'S what the Company Want's to Happen!,

Ripley : I don't understand how that can ----

Dallas: You DO What the Company TELLS YOU TO DO!!

Posted by: polecat | Sep 1 2020 23:48 utc | 73

_K_C_ #66

Whoever wins between Trump and Biden, I can fully see a President Dwayne Elizondo Herbert Mountain Dew Camacho in the next decade.

Thank you. As long as President Camacho smokes a peace pipe and leaves the rest of the world in peace I will be happy. If he decides to destroy the cabal of private vulture finance oligarchs in the USA I will be even happier.

For now Amazing Polly once every two months is more than enough Q for me.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Sep 1 2020 23:49 utc | 74

The Biden snippet is apparently doctored. Some that have watched the whole speech note that it was never said in that manner. B, please be careful. We expect that.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Sep 2 2020 0:03 utc | 75

What percentage of the always-conservative-voting Trump supporters do *YOU* think were in the "you're with us or you're a terrorism supporter" camp in justifying the invasion of Iraq? From my own admittedly anecdotal experience, it's at least 65%.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 1 2020 22:52 utc | 57

Probably about the same percentage of Democratic voters who were all full of antiwar piss and vinegar during the bush admin but went suddenly silent when Obama got himself in charge of 7 different wars.


Gore clearly threw the election, as he put up no fight when the Florida debacle was underway.

He was later rewarded with lucrative business opportunities, an award winning documentary and a Nobel prize. And is a far wealthier man now than he would have been had he been President. So he was clearly in on the election fixing.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 2 2020 0:36 utc | 76

90+ days of riots in Portland Oregon?

If you're just going to repost Breitbart lies, conflations, and inventions, there's no point in continuing to run the blog. This kind of crap is why I don't treat Saggar Enjeti has someone dealing with reality.

You've deeply discredited yourself and Moon of Alabama by posting this rightist nonsense.

Too bad, your points about Boeing seem to have some validity.

Right, Biden has the beginnings of dementia and is a losing candidate for separate reasons.

Posted by: Jay | Sep 2 2020 0:46 utc | 77

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 1 2020 20:35 utc | 38

” are complaining that 2020 has been an unpleasant year, but we haven't seen anything yet. ”

There’s a new swear word here in flyover USA gaining ground — “2020”

Posted by: suzan | Sep 2 2020 1:16 utc | 78

90+ days of riots in Portland Oregon?

If you're just going to repost Breitbart lies, conflations, and inventions, there's no point in continuing to run the blog. This kind of crap is why I don't treat Saggar Enjeti has someone dealing with reality.

You've deeply discredited yourself and Moon of Alabama by posting this rightist nonsense.

Posted by: Jay | Sep 2 2020 0:46 utc | 77


I'm confused as to the objection and reasons for the rant.

Have there NOT been nearly 100 days of riots in Portland then?

Is the objection that the number of days of rioting is lower than the stated figure?

Or that the whole "riots in Portland" story is merely a Brietbart creation alone, with absolutely no basis in reality?

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Sep 2 2020 1:29 utc | 79

@ suzan # 78 who wrote
There’s a new swear word here in flyover USA gaining ground — “2020”
Thanks for that but you could have provided a bit of depth to the swear meaning....grin

I am hoping that for many 2020 will be the year how the Western world works with global private finance at the core will come into focus....pun intended

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2 2020 1:30 utc | 80

Boy, are you desperate for Trump to win! This article reeks of insecurity.

If you were truthful you would write about the multiple machinations on the Trump side as well.

Just change the title to: Vote Trump-Pence. At least it would convey what you're really up to.

Posted by: Circe | Sep 2 2020 1:41 utc | 81

Joe Biden- "I am a Zionist, you don't have to be a jew to be a Zionist"

Trump, Harris, Pence etc all Zionists. What does it really say that to be US President you must be a Zionist?
Can't make this shit up-

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 2 2020 1:49 utc | 82

b says: "I see no sign that Trump will sincerely contest the election should the vote be clearly against him. But the race is tight and the outcome will likely be decided in a few contested states. The Democrats are willing to battle for each of them."

Trump is not sincere about anything, b. He's playing to his "base" which is composed of racists, rapacious capitalists, authoritarians, uneducated poor people mystified by the spectacle of a government they do not comprehend and the anti-intellectual, anti-professional, lowest common denominator in the American electorate. The only thing Trump is sincere about is his desire to remain president and see his name in lights.

Let me ask you this, b: if you are a US citizen entitled to vote, can you prove that your vote will be and has been counted as it was cast? You cannot. Even if your voting machine produces a paper trail, you cannot be assured your vote was not switched in the tallying up process. Software can do amazing things and you will never know exactly what because it is proprietary code, not subject to the scrutiny of you or your government. And it happens that voting machine manufacturers are private companies, such as ES&S, and tend to be owned by right wing republicans.

No commentators here have questioned the legitimacy of the US electoral process. and that is the one question that needs to be answered before any blather about "color revolutions". Have you studied the US electoral system and the ways and means it can be rigged, b? Have you looked at the various techniques of voter suppression? Do you know what is involved in gerrymandering? Have a look at Greg He covers these matters well. It can be a bit tedious, but no more so than Lebanese politics, or the antics of that Mussolini-type dictator, Lukashenko in Belarus you seem to be fond of.

There are no legitimate elections in the US because the electoral process is so corrupt. Unless there is an overwhelming, undeniable, popular preference for one candidate over another, there is no majority rule in this putative "democracy". Our system is an oligarchy. Even old Jimmy Carter has come to realize this. Trump was put in office by the billionaires, the Kochs, Mercers, Singers, et. alia, the elite anti-democratic rabble of radical capitalism who can afford the best political system money can buy. It is not so daunting a task to manipulate the vote in a few states to trigger the winner-take-all electoral landslide. Without this anti-democratic Electoral College put in place by our founding oligarchs in 1789, Trump has no chance. The majority of the American people do not like the fucker.

Most people understand that the electoral system is rigged. People around here know the infamous sheriff of yore stole boxes of ballots and hid them in the barn where they were not discovered until he was dead and gone. Americans have been cheating, lying, and fucking each other since the inception of this republic. Only today when rigging electoral outcomes is easier than ever do they blindly trust their free and fair elections in the "greatest democracy in the world". This is BULLSHIT and the fact that not even half those eligible to vote actually vote testifies to the cynicism of Americans. They don't trust their institutions nor their leaders. Trump's bullshit has fascinated enough people and with the rigging of the electoral system he has slithered into the presidency.

The system can be fixed and the voice of the majority can be accurately revealed as it is not today. You could know that your vote was counted as you cast it. Popular confidence in elections would swell voter turn out. Neither party wants to fix it, though. Both parties want the opportunity to manipulate and cheat more effectively than the other party. The Republican in particular do not want true majority direct elections of leaders. They would never again be able to impose their authoritarian oligarchy on the American people. No Mitch McCocksucker would ever again rule over the senate proceedings and drive Americans into bankruptcy and despair.

There is something called "block chain technology" which guarantees the value of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. In the same way it could guarantee the inviolability of each vote and audits could be performed overnight. No audit is possible now and there is no reason for anyone to believe their vote is counted as they cast it. Just ask Jill Stein about auditing a presidency election.

No one should believe the outcome of this coming election without seriously contesting it, just as Trump will do. This bozo could not survive one year without a platoon of lawyers to justify his criminal acts. Democrats are scared mealy mouth centrists. Clinton betrayed the Democratic Party and sold it to the rich. Boo hoo! It's a sad story, and US political theatre is a joke, but the re-election of this hollow man will be a disaster. It's already a disaster.

Posted by: jadan | Sep 2 2020 2:02 utc | 83

I didn't see any mention in either the main piece or the comments so far about the massive voter suppression that Republicans have been perfecting for the past two decades. Hundreds of thousands, and by now, millions, of voters have been kicked off the rolls nationwide by such techniques as "interstate voter cross-check" whereby if there is a Jamal Washington listed in multiple states or a Maria Gonzales listed in multiple states, then those people are assumed to be fraudulently registered and their voter registration is cancelled - even if middle names or social security numbers don't match. This and other voter scrubbing techniques are how Bush was able to squeak through in Florida in 2000 and also, in combination with a lack of D voter enthusiasm, it was the way Trump was able to get by in Michigan and Wisconsin in 2016. For more info on this, check out just about anything by Greg Palast, whom you can google or search on Youtube. The Ds don't make much noise about this or about vote counting irregularities (in fact, if you recall, in 2016 Jill Stein sued for a recount in key areas and Hillary's people refused to back her up) because in the primaries they also don't want too many of the voters that republican efforts tend to suppress -- even though they must give lip service to their beloved minorities.

I don't doubt b's analysis that the Ds are bringing back to our shores the "color revolution" gambit or that there is a general distaste among elites of both parties for Trump. This, plus the voter suppression, which it appears that Ds are now finally prepared to contest, will mean that the results of this year's election may never come out of the fog.

Posted by: Howard | Sep 2 2020 2:07 utc | 84

Maybe Trump will trigger the Revolution I wrote in 2016 he might.

If only it would be people on both sides against the Zionist-corrupted system instead of against each other while the RNC led by Zionist Trump and the DNC led by Zionist Trump pretend they're on opposing sides.

Posted by: Circe | Sep 2 2020 2:21 utc | 85

CitizenX @Sep2 1:49 #82

What does it really say that to be US President you must be a Zionist?

IMO "Zionist" is code for Imperialist and neo-Colonialist.

Our power-elite are also neoliberal (fascist) and neoconservative (aristocratic).

Each of these is a different aspect of an extraordinarily supremacist mindset.

That is the reality of what we are dealing with. In 2020.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Sep 2 2020 2:22 utc | 86

😊 that would be the DNC led by Zionist Biden.

Must have been a Freudian slip. Doesn't matter who leads either Party. They're interchangeable. Trump however the more rabid Zionist of the two.

Posted by: Circe | Sep 2 2020 2:26 utc | 87

What happened last time ('16)?
They said, "Pick the dumbest fucking thing we can think of, or something even fucking dumber", right?
What did we say?
We said (and I quote), "Oh yeah? Fine, fuck it. We vote for each and every one of you to eat it."

Posted by: Josh | Sep 2 2020 2:38 utc | 88

"Every fucking bite."

Posted by: Josh | Sep 2 2020 2:39 utc | 89

Aren't they?

Posted by: Josh | Sep 2 2020 2:40 utc | 90

Just fucking saying. 😉

Posted by: Josh | Sep 2 2020 2:41 utc | 91

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 2 2020 1:30 utc | 80

When I learned of the new swear word from a neighbor farmer I did attempt to highlight/explain the need for public banking,, siituating the crisis of government and society here in historical and geopolitical context. I think the local usage stemmed from repo market failure interrupted ( rescued) by pandemic, pandemic interrupted by natural disasters — drought and derecho, and this interrupted by morons who make it worse, and so on with no end in sight. GIGO.

Posted by: suzan | Sep 2 2020 2:41 utc | 92

Yes I do find it astonishing that even "educated" Americans think their vote "counts".

A vote "counting" (either literally or figuratively) in America? Are you fucking high?

I completely agree with you JR that new parties must break the One party duopoly. My conscience votes, and not even that matters in broken America.

Lesser of two evils people say?-
Q-"oh you mean like one Rape being less evil than another Rape?"
A- "yes a gang bang rape is truly Evil, a rape by roofie is not so Evil because you can't remember it"

Average American- "oh ok, I'll vote for the roofie Rape". "Have a Great day" !

Dumbfuck Americans get exactly what they deserve voting for the better of two Rapists parties.

Posted by: CitizenX | Sep 2 2020 2:52 utc | 93

@ Posted by: Circe | Sep 2 2020 2:21 utc | 85

It's hard for revolutions to happen in the advanced capitalist economies because revolutions are bloody and highly destructive. You have to convince the vast majority of the population to give up their First World life quality for that, which is counter-intuitive. The most obvious for is for them to double down on imperialism, which is the path of the lesser resistance (e.g. send 350,000 soldiers to Iraq and hope that lowers the price of the gas below USD 0.90 the gallon).

Posted by: vk | Sep 2 2020 3:04 utc | 94

Beautiful. Bring on the Amerikastani Empire's suicide by civil war.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 2 2020 3:13 utc | 95

I think no matter who won the election, the (pretense) of US democratic institution will be broken forever and there is no way of restoring it back. A Trump 'victory' will akin to throwing it straight to the gutter. While Biden 'victory' just mean the corpse still be there, rotting and decaying until 2024 election buried it for good (if it will ever happen).

Posted by: hangar | Sep 2 2020 3:17 utc | 96

C-C #76 -

Weeeelllll, aside from the fact that you didn't really answer my question, I don't completely disagree with you on either point.

But when you characterize the OPPONENTS of war as being full of piss and vinegar, which is a much more apt description of the same pro-war, pro-neocon people who now support Trump that I'm talking about, it rings just a little bit hollow. Anyone who is anti-war SHOULD be strident and full of piss and vinegar, not the other way around. Furthermore, while Obama bears full responsibility for Libya (along with France/Macron) and for Syria, his options insofar as his ability to "project power" on behalf of the Western oligarchy were largely defined and circumscribed by the previous 8 years. In other words, if we hadn't ever invaded Iraq, I don't think the destruction of Libya would have happened nor do I think that the Syria situation would have played out the same. Keep in mind it was PNAC and the neocons (Clinton was a signatory IIRC) in Bush's circle who laid out the plans to depose Assad way back in 2002 or so, courtesy of Wikileaks. All of the things Obama did were merely continuation of Bush era policy where pretty much anything related to war was concerned. And the American people were desensitized to it - so it wouldn't have been reasonable for Obomber's fanbois and girls to express as much piss and vinegar when he quietly invaded Syria or assisted the French with raping Libya.

And like I've been saying - the so-called "liberal" MSM in the US and UK were fully behind the wars of both Bush and Obama, just as they are fully behind Trump if he were to decide to attack Iran (presuming the usual false pretenses were put forth and sold) or crush Venezuela with draconian sanctions that lead to them lashing out and "justifying" an American regime change operation (like the 7 or so that have already been tried since it was Bush and Chavez on the respective sides). I have been saying since 2016 that if Trump is elected to a 2nd term, we will indeed have AT LEAST one new war, probably on Iran. And people like me - who have realized our voice means nothing to those in charge of waging these wars or selling their merits to the American people will continue to be full of piss and vinegar. Trump's anti-war supporters will, of course, become Hyper Patriots or worse, and the "you're either with us or you're a terrorist sympathizer" stuff will be trotted out again on steroids.

Posted by: _K_C_ | Sep 2 2020 3:45 utc | 97

I'm surprised at this educated and erudite audience arguing about votes "counting" in any but a formal way in ANY large modern nation. We all know that these systems, whether they be Russia, India, US, UK, France, etc. find the power people's preferred functionaries and implement them. Hell, Emma Goldman had her comment about if voting changed anything they'd make it illegal a hundred years ago. And functionaries that get delusions of grandeur, like Kennedy and potential threats are eliminated as needed.

The only thing close to democracy possible is in small and highly functional societies ... No bigger than the Scandinavia nations or Switzerland. Us USians don't have a chance other than perhaps at the local level.

Posted by: Caliman | Sep 2 2020 4:24 utc | 98

...the love you take is equal to the love you make.

And in spite of all the eloquence, wisdom, and way with words and expressions, the argument here is basically red against blue and viceversa. No one will shed a tear when Nero Biden or Nero Trump contemplates the blaze of a burning metropolis, to the contrary, many in this world will rejoice and praise destiny for serving justice, late for millions, but better late than never.

Posted by: Paco | Sep 2 2020 4:27 utc | 99

My brain turns over very slowly... are we saying that the DNC pushed Biden BECAUSE he is unelectable - he is their best chance of losing the election, so that a colour revolution can be put in train?

Posted by: Tim | Sep 2 2020 5:21 utc | 100

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