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August 30, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-69

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> There has been some improvement in the symptoms caused by the inhibition of cholinesterase activity. Mr. Navalny continues to be treated in an intensive care unit, where he is being kept in a medically induced coma and on a ventilator. While his condition remains serious, there is no immediate danger to his life. <
> As an economic system, capitalism (at this point) is showing an advanced decline in capacity to underwrite a stable society. What follows after such a disintegration of a system is a prolonged period of social entropy and disorder. For a significant length of time, a society would slip into less than a society – a society-lite — until it may or may not recover and again become a society in the full meaning of the term. <
  • August 29 - Cut To UNIFIL Forces Is (Not) Another Great Trump Achievement
    Related:
    Since July 20 the Israeli army is waiting anxiously for Hizbullah's response to the Israeli assassination of a Hizbullah fighter in Syria. With Israeli troops expensively kept on high alert at the norther border Hizbullah has all the time it needs. It will not fall for stupid tricks like this one:
> WATCH: #IDF tries to bait Hezbollah with a dummy. Obviously they failed. You can see merkavas parked to the side. Desperation at its finest 😁 pic.twitter.com/Ka5E71IVPC <

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Other issues:

Assange:

The War on Journalism: The Case of Julian Assange - A film by Juan Passarelli (vid - 40min)

Bloody CIA meddling:

The CIA and MI6’s secret war in Kenya. - Declassified UK

Covid-19:

A 29-Year-Old’s Strange, Unforgettable Trip Into a Covid Coma and Back - Washingtonian

Biden's foreign policy would be more horrible than Obama's:

‘Muscular’ Foreign Policy: Media Codeword for Violence Abroad - Alan MacLeod / FAIR
The Rotten Alliance of Liberals and Neocons Will Likely Shape U.S. Foreign Policy for Years to Come - Naked Capitalism

Use as open thread ...

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In regards to the "storming" of the Bundestag I would like to add that such "stormings" and "occupations" are merely symbolic. Nobody did assault the parliamentary building in order to murder the members of parliament and take over the government. There were no weapons, nobody was killed or injured and there wasn`t any property damage. Some policemen were pushed aside without being harmed.

Judging from the comments not everybody seems to be aware of that difference between "storming" and storming.

Posted by: m | Aug 31 2020 7:16 utc | 102

Now here is an interesting interpretation of what seems to be Demorazi idiocy. Written by Mike Whitney.

Extract:

“What we are experiencing is not the “return of fascism.” It is the global capitalist empire restoring order, putting down the populist insurgency that took them by surprise in 2016.

The White Black Nationalist Color Revolution, the fake apocalyptic plague, all the insanity of 2020 … it has been in the pipeline all along. It has been since the moment Trump won the election. No, it is not about Trump, the man. It has never been about Trump, the man…

GloboCap needs to crush Donald Trump… not because he is a threat to the empire…, but because he became a symbol of populist resistance to global capitalism and its increasingly aggressive “woke” ideology . It is this populist resistance to its ideology that GloboCap is determined to crush, no matter how much social chaos and destruction it unleashes in the process...” (“The White Black Nationalist Color Revolution”, CJ Hopkins, The Unz Review)

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 31 2020 7:49 utc | 103

vk @86

Cheers, I haven't re-read the '18th Brumaire..' in the age of Trump, always good advice. It's truly a great work, one of those rare instances where the Owl of Minerva is caught flying around at midday. Perhaps Trump could be characterized as a failed Bonapartist experment. We have certainly seen the emergence of a US Party of Order, but with the failure of the Sanders movement to grow into an independent working class movement there was no need to fall in behind the 'Emperor.'

Posted by: Paora | Aug 31 2020 9:08 utc | 104

Today's accepted wisdom is that everybody is equal.
But if everyone is equal then how do we explain that not everybody is equally successful?
Todays' accepted explanation is that inequality is caused by discrimination and racism.

It would be more sensible to accept that in the whole world no two people are equal;
and that, as anyone who has looked at his childrens' school grades knows,
giving equal opportunities does not guarantee equal results.

Posted by: passerby | Aug 31 2020 9:28 utc | 105

@75 Capitalism depends on investment. Surplus money i.e profits are reinvested in the hope of further profits. Banks lend money expecting a return. There is risk involved of course. If black people wanting to start a businesses find it harder to borrow money than white people it is because they are seen as a greater risk. This may be completely unfair and based on racism but it is the reality. Are there any banks or credit unions that are prepared to rectify this?

Posted by: dh | Aug 31 2020 1:11 utc | 81

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Well there was ONE in the great city of Kenosha Wisconsin, but last Monday night the brave mob of concerned anti-racists, unfortunately, and very unavoidably, set fire to it and burned it down to the ground.

An unavoidable side effect of their deep concern for the trials and tribulations of the average African-Americans amongst their fellow Kenoshans, no doubt.

The local White Supremacist Militia, lead by Dominic Black most likely, were apparently paid by no less a figure than Mr Jamie Dimon himself, to infiltrate the brave mob of concerned anti-racists in order to ensure the removal of any possible competitors, from the lucrative and vibrant Kenoshan financial markets

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 9:36 utc | 106

From India today: Thwarted aggressive moves by China at South Bank of Pangong Tso: Army
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/thwarted-aggressive-moves-at-pangong-tso-by-china-army/article32484526.ece

Posted by: Antonym | Aug 31 2020 10:01 utc | 107

KIlly you softly with my hug....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55514.htm

hmm..
The nasty troll 450.org has slithered off,
lurking to strike another time perhaps,
while the stupid indian troll anton
[off guardian resident indian troll] is still
crapping all over with his hindu cow dung.

hehehhe

Posted by: denk | Aug 31 2020 10:14 utc | 108

How big was the turnout for the demonstrations in Berlin?

Posted by: Josh | Aug 31 2020 10:31 utc | 109

I dunno if the barcalounger lefties who appear to be driven by whatever issue/subject/Thing, that all corporate media is currently venting about in unison have noticed, but this weekend's (just past) poll in Montenegro has revealed that perhaps 'the Kremlin' is indulging in a little 'whatever you can do, I can do better', payback.

From today's BBC aka "tool of the neoliberal pipe dream":

"The Democratic Party of Socialists (DPS) has been in power for 30 years.

Early results suggest the DPS - which has never lost an election - has won the largest share of the vote.

But the main opposition coalition, which leans towards Russia and Serbia, is close behind.

Even if the DPS wins the most seats, it may struggle to form a governing coalition. This could lead to Montenegro's first-ever transfer of power through the ballot box."

The heavily 'westernised' pro-euro whores to an extremely skinny [ok woke ones, thin] (predicated by the low level of interest which Montenegro garners from 'the world') globalist support, are definately in strife cause just as there is no objectively measured way of determining what the correct vote in Belarus is, the Montenegro vote for a government which up until now has unfailingly supported EU/Nato tossage, cheifly by being a cypher for the political, social & economic problems that the eu/nato consortium of naked self interest has visited upon the rest of Europe, Montenegro has become a mirror of the similar 'crisis' in Belarus.
WTF? The attempt to create a mess in Belarus may be a fail, but the response from the normal people in Montenegro seems to be a winner

IOW the result pointing to a claimed win for the pro - Ruskie official return of 32% of the votes in Montenegro. Vs the Montenegro fascist administration's alleged 'victory' return of 36% is far more credible than the claimed Belarus' opposition win when official numbers in Belarus are Lukashenko 80% & the fascists a portion of the rest.
Why? Because in spite of amerika's best efforts, Montenegro may now be nato member but mos def is not a member of the EU.

Consequently it is entirely possible that a state with full nato access will align with the Russian economic coadunate.

Montenegro's soon to be realised position appears (at least to this observer), to be the premier configuration for any euro state determined to obtain the best deal for its citizens outside of either group of assholes be damned united.

If Serbia does garner support from Montenegro that will alleviate Serbia from self serving destructive demands of either arsehole.

Yep I recognise we are meant to take sides, but as a dedicated fan of freedom from all outsiders, I wanna back whoever stands aside of either self indulgent play at attempting to show "how reasonable we all are nowadays". F**k em all, we humans never got ahead by listening to boss class lies.

Nevertheless tye real interest from we who do not live in Montenegro must be, Does the amerikan empire still have enough balls, ability, energy to deliver unwarranted violence upon the resat of us solely to claim victory?

I say no.

Posted by: debsisdead | Aug 31 2020 10:44 utc | 110

Interesting article by The Saker wrt a potential civil war on the US

https://thesaker.is/will-hillary-and-the-dems-get-the-civil-war-they-are-trying-to-provoke/

Posted by: Down South | Aug 31 2020 11:44 utc | 111

Thanks Yasha. Russians have not forgotten or forgiven.

Posted by: ollie | Aug 31 2020 11:46 utc | 112

Mustafa Adib new PM of lebanon by 90 votes over 120...currently ambassador to Germany...no idea by now whose faction this man is...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1300386471887728640

Yesterday, current president Aoun called for transformation of the country system into secular state...
Good, that would open the parliament also to communists and socilaists who are patriots and now are banned from particpation into politcal life...That will get them out from the streets with which it only will remain there the "color revolutionaires"...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 11:47 utc | 113

Josh @ 107

How big was the turnout for the demonstrations in Berlin

dunno actual numbers, but it was definitely a large crowd...

lots of folks are fed up.

Posted by: john | Aug 31 2020 11:47 utc | 114

@vk | 5 + 79
How exactly is France 'empire building' in Turkey?

And the NYT article is just the vapid cliched ramblings of those who clearly can't be bothered.

Was this group of journalists really unable to connect the timing of Turkey's shenanigans in the E.Med with its economic troubles (pre-Covid and current) and in turn fail to link those to Turkey's long-standing and ongoing ambitions to become a regional energy hub? How so absorbed in your own ''MSMness' do you have to be to assume that Med countries should follow the world events as 'presented' by such compliant MSM and suggest that Greece and Turkey be more concerned with Belarus and even to some degree with the Trump campaign (thinking from the point of local audiences)?
And while the article mention's Maas it completely omits the solid and unquestionable support that the German FM assured Greece on behalf of the EU. not on behalf of Germany. I guess it is in someone's interests to suggest that France is acting on its own or somehow against German/ EU interests?
And what really illustrates the sheer ignorance of the group of journalists who deemed to even think about the Med are the claims that the EU lacks leverage over Turkey! And that Turkey could "unleash another flood of Syrian refugees": I thought Turkey had illustrated quite convincingly earlier this year that not only is it incapable of repeating the 201/16 wave of refugees into Europe it is incapable of even STAGING one!

I could go on ... but you get the picture. ))))

Posted by: AtaBrit | Aug 31 2020 11:55 utc | 115

These are the results for Montenegro:

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1300395998674644993

The Electoral Commission has published the preliminary results:

DPS: 35.1%
For the Future of Montenegro: 32.5%
Peace is Our Nation: 12.5%
United Reform Action: 5.5%
Social Democrats: 4.1%
Bosnians: 3.9%
P. Social Democrat: 3.1%
Albanians: 1'6% and 1'1%


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 11:55 utc | 116

@Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 11:47 utc | 111

Well, the faction has been clarified by these guys of descifraguerra...the same of always...that of Hariri...

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1300401150110334978

Mustafa Adib had served as ambassador to Germany since 2013. Saad Hariri was the one who recommended his nomination and received the support of other former Prime Ministers such as Fouad Siniora, Najib Mikati and Tammam Sallam.
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Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 11:58 utc | 117

Why the least problem of public order will be the race riots...here you have the expected far-right uprising which will avoid any possible Democratic win...Thus all as planned...to prevent a Trump lose....

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1300372645624664067

The US militia, Oath Keepers, which has more than 30,000 members declares that "the civil war is here", urges Trump to declare "the Marxist insurrection and suppress it". If you don't, they will.

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 12:03 utc | 118

RSH @ #65

Thru the looking glass of right-wing libertarian Cory Doctorow peddling privacy concerns while carrying water for the machine.

“I’m proud to be a volunteer OTF advisor,” declared Cory Doctorow, editor of BoingBoing and a well-known libertarian anti-surveillance activist/author.

Surveillancevalley

Posted by: SN | Aug 31 2020 12:08 utc | 119

Has anyone noticed Warren Buffett has recently taken a huge $US 8 billion bet in the mega five Japanese trading companies, each with huge investments in Australian mining companies?

Posted by: Paul | Aug 31 2020 12:08 utc | 120

Kenosha shooting could have been a friendly fire incident I know that we all want to divide the world into good vs bad guys but after watching Smerconish (the only good show on CNN) interview an NYT reporter it's possible that all of them had good intentions.

The lady says she reviewed all of the footage and says that the very first shot was by someone other than Rittenhouse. The first person lunged at Rittenhouse who shot and killed him, Rittenhouse then ran, one person knocked him down w/a skateboard, another tried to grab his gun while a third drew his gun.

Rittenhouse acted in self-defense but it is quite possible that the other men thought they were disarming an active shooter. After all, no one attempted to attack Rittenhouse prior to the first shot being fired by someone else. To me this is a failure of primary law enforcement to keep order.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 31 2020 12:13 utc | 121

Re: uncle Tungsten @101: It is populist insurgent resistance to ..GloboCap ideology that GloboCap is determined to crush, no matter how much social chaos and destruction it unleashes in the process...” (“The White Black Nationalist Color Revolution”, CJ Hopkins, The Unz Review) Yes, and if you look around the world you will see that same kind of destruction from paid risings..everywhere.


to Passerby @ 103 <=everybody is equal relates to opportunity.. not to ability.. or capacity..
equally successful is a measure of performance.. performance includes much more than an equal start at things. Education is bureaucracy, learning is a biological activity.. all learning is a recallable experience, and all knowledge is useful, recallable experience. Opportunity is one great big disqualifier to achieving equal performance..and even when opportunity is kept equal by referee governments, only one competitor can win the same competition at the same time. It is just that time, that determines capitalism. because at any one time the guy at the top will be replaced by an even more superior competitor. and so it goes, the top falls to the bottom as the bottom rises to the challenge.
Monopoly power defies competition, and without competition there is no capitalism.. because capitalism is about competition in a market place rendered free of monopoly powers. The appearance of monopoly power in a society transforms capitalism into monopoly ism, and that is what the USA has tried to achieve since 1913.

excellent Post by: Contra-Conspiraloon @ 104 IRT dh @ 81.. capitalism.. is not about capital, its about competition.
capital is merely the catalyst and properly applied it can accelerate opportunistic performance in a highly competitive, monopoly excluded environment. And it is exactly that opportunity that the Kenosha, Wisconsin, mobsters were trying to eliminate.

Posted by: snake | Aug 31 2020 12:24 utc | 122

The message of Ashura...conveyed by non muslim people...More relevant that ever...Vía Marwa Osman Twitter...

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1300375970071875585

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1300377854899879936

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1300378689348272128

Be like #Hussain bin Ali (pbuh) #ImamHussain's school of thought is about #resistance, fighting #injustice & supporting the oppressed Be a voice for the oppressed! Be a voice for the voiceless!

https://twitter.com/PressTVIntvws/status/1300234952236179456

Op-Ed by Marwa Osman on Ashura...from 2017...of more actuality than ever...

https://twitter.com/Marwa__Osman/status/1299894339552894976


Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 12:32 utc | 123

@ Duran a long video discussion that provide some interesting remarks, including comparisons 'tween USA and Russia 1917. Quite sober.

Posted by: Walter | Aug 31 2020 12:45 utc | 124

Christian J. Chuba @118

Sounds reasonable, and I certainly would try in some way to neutralize a terrorist that is actively attacking a crowd too, but our hypothetical "active shooter" in this case was running away from the crowd and towards a nearby police line. All of the people who were shot were pursuing him. That pursuit began before that first handgun shot was fired that we hear in the videos. No prior shots were mentioned by our supposedly reliable reporter witness, so to our best knowledge the adults began their pursuit of the kid without any evidence that indicates he was an "active shooter".

The case against the kid for premeditated murder is obviously falling apart and the corporate mass media's efforts to vilify him are failing badly. What's worse is that the "victims" are looking more like assholes that largely got what they were asking for. This argument about it all being a misunderstanding sounds like an attempt to rehabilitate the public image of some worthless thugs to maintain narrative "balance" between them and the kid they were attacking. That necessitates giving the criminals some justification for chasing the kid which otherwise isn't apparent in any of the evidence we have seen.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 12:53 utc | 125

...the adults began their pursuit of the kid without any evidence that indicates he was an "active shooter".

@Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 12:53 utc | 122

But...the kid holding an AR-15 upside at chest level, after shots were heard, as Chuba adds, points at an active shooter all the way for the average witness...moreover he was "apparently" alone....as most of active shooters at schools and other places ususally are in the US...The image for sure sounded familiar to many....and the possibility exisst that that image triggered a bunch of instinctive actions...

Of course, it exists the possibility of this all being staged by older people to then get the kid a scapegoat, even with the hope that he would result exculpated by being underage..with the aim to provoke a political result...The mother who drove him there is by far more culprit than him...Why did she not stay herself to defend Kenosha from the "riotters"? She would had to be relieved from the kid´s custody asap...Unless she knew in advance there would not be any danger for her kid....

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 13:07 utc | 126

Josh @ 107

How big was the turnout for the demonstrations in Berlin

dunno the numbers, but it was definitely a large crowd.

Posted by: john | Aug 31 2020 13:07 utc | 127

@Posted by: john | Aug 31 2020 13:07 utc | 124

But...why Robert Kennedy would come to Europe to preach for revolution...and not in the US itself... where he belongs?
Is this not meddling in foreign affairs?
Whose agenda could he pursuing by pushing Europeans to revolt against democartically elected authorities?

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 13:11 utc | 128

H.Schmatz @123

Yes, for the average uninvolved witness who only heard some shots and did not see that the kid was already being chased, it would be reasonable to guess that he might be an "active shooter".

The problem with this is that the people who were shot were already pursuing the kid when the first shots were fired. They could not assume that he was an "active shooter" before hearing or otherwise seeing any evidence of shooting, could they?

Sequence:


  1. Thugs begin chasing kid

  2. Handgun fire heard

  3. Kid shoots first thug

  4. Pursuers disperse

  5. Pursuers regroup and resume pursuit

  6. Kid attacked from behind and knocked to ground

  7. Two additional attackers shot

The problem with the "mistaken for active shooter" theory is that we have no evidence for any gunfire prior to sequence step 1) above. The event begins with the kid being chased.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 13:35 utc | 129

H.Schmatz @ 125

But...why Robert Kennedy would come to Europe to preach for revolution...and not in the US itself... where he belongs

dunno, Schmatz, you'd have to ask him, maybe he got a free flight out of the deal, but he talks all the time in the USA, why he's even been on the Oprah Winfrey show!

the Germans, on the other hand, have been organizing and protesting against lockdown for months...

Bahner, has a history of challenging the constitutionality of government measures. She previously won three cases in the federal constitutional court in the area of unlawful infringements of the right to practise one’s profession. She took to her website to condemn the confinement laws, calling them the ‘greatest legal scandal in the post 1940s history of Germany’ and urged the 83 million people of Germany to demonstrate in the streets in protest

link

Posted by: john | Aug 31 2020 13:38 utc | 130

It seems like the Kenosha shooter had gone "fishing" for the opportunity to shoot someone in what he could claim to be self-defense. He might avoid a murder sentence on a technicality, but someone with that mentality should not be handling firearms.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Aug 31 2020 13:43 utc | 131

I'll go over the sequence, as documented by the NYT reporter. She viewed 'every video and audio in chronological order' not just the one that we all saw. I'm making up names just to keep the actors straight.

We Hear a gunshot by someone other than Rittenhouse, I'm going to assume that she and saw Rittenhouse proving that he was not the gunman. The first man (I'll call him Tom), sees Rittenhouse and lunges at him. Rittenhouse fires at him (I think she says a few times) and kills him.

People surround Rittenhouse and he runs away starting the now famous video segment. Rittenhouse is knocked down by Bob, Mike tries to grab his gun, Rittenhouse shoots and kills him, Dave draws his gun, Rittenhouse shoots Dave in the arm once wounding him.

1. I don't like that Rittenhouse was there at all but this looks like self-defense across the board. At the time of the shooting, he is in reasonable fear for his life.

2. I can understand how Tom could legitimately that Rittenhouse fired the first shot even if he did not. I heard an illusionist say that people are good at hearing sounds but our sense of directionality and distance totally suck and that they exploit this weakness in tricks. He sees a non-uniformed kid holding an AR17.

3. Bob, Mike (maybe the same person), and Dave, give chase perhaps believing that Rittenhouse is a mass shooter, unwise but this is a first reaction, again a non-uniformed 17yr old, where are the police?
I will say that it looked like Dave knew what he was doing when he was holding his gun before he got shot. He was pointing it downward and not initially at Rittenhouse.

Just looked up, the second victim was Anthony Huber and he was not a troublemaker.

I see this as a law enforcement foul up. If Tom saw a cop instead of a 17 yr old w/an AR17 he probably would not have lunged and the entire sequence would never have started.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | Aug 31 2020 13:43 utc | 132

This is an illustrative example of fake news told on an objective fact - the preferred weapon of the Western journalist:

Thomas Piketty refuses to censor latest book for sale in China

You read the first paragraphs and tell yourself: "well, this poor writer, being gratuitously persecuted by a ruthless regime". The article goes on, mentioning China's alleged terrible history of censorship (mentioning The Guardian itself is censored in China, in a PR move disguised as journalism).

Then, in the last paragraphs, you know which part of the book was "censored":

The passages highlighted by the Chinese publishers include one referring to the post-communism societies of regions including China becoming “hypercapitalism’s staunchest allies”, as a direct consequence of “the disasters of Stalinism and Maoism”.

“So great was the communist disaster that it overshadowed even the damage done by the ideologies of slavery, colonialism, and racialism and obscured the strong ties between those ideologies and the ideologies of ownership and hypercapitalism – no mean feat,” Piketty writes in the book.

Other sections reference the opacity of Chinese income and wealth data, capital flight and corruption. Piketty writes that China’s wealth distribution to the top 10% and bottom 50% is “only slightly less inegalitarian than the United States and significantly more so than Europe”.

With such amount of bullshit, lies and intellectual dishonesty spit in such a short space (in a book that will sell as an academic one), no wonder the Chinese editors wanted to cut it out. They wanted to spare Piketty the embarrassment he would certainly become in China if the book was published integrally.

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One more example of fake news by the Western MSM:

China says Czech senate president ‘will pay heavy price’ for Taiwan visit

Except for the fact Wang Yi didn't say that. He said the "everyone" will pay a "heavy price":

Wang Yi: Anyone who challenges one-China principle will pay 'heavy price'

Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi said during his visit in Germany on Monday that anyone who challenges the one-China principle will pay a heavy price, referring to the Czech Senate speaker's Taiwan visit.

They asked him about the Czech president's cheap PR stunt in Germany (probably, because the German MSM wanted to extract something from this irrelevant, EU-backed, episode). Wang Yi simply reiterated China's standard position on the One China Policy, which, by the way, was already repeated by Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian at the same day (today, 31st August).

The Czech Republic always was and continues to be an irrelevant nation, and will be simply ignored by China. Here's the Global Times' (the Chinese Government's extraofficial tabloid) editorial about the episode:

Vystrcil's Taiwan visit an opportunistic stunt: Global Times editorial

And, if you read both links, you'll know the Chinese Government knows it's the EU that's behind this Czech clown's political stunt.

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This is a return to school, not that half-baked, badly executed one made in Berlin. NYT should take note:

1.4 millions students to return to school, Wuhan embraces fresh start

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This is what BLM is really doing in Kenosha:

WATCH NOW: Peaceful rally backs law enforcement, public safety

But please, alt-righters, keep fantasizing about how a child rapist and another ex-criminal wandering around the streets of the city in the middle of the night are "Antifa-BLM-Marxists", feed the flames of hatred, feed the flames of civil war. Those imaginary windmills will keep moving while Bezos keeps getting richer and richer...

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The damage in Kenosha is determined. It was a "whopping" sum of USD 30 million:

Mayor seeks $30 million from state to rebuild Kenosha

The aerial photos of the destruction (which I have already posted here) show just some six or seven small deposits burnt to the ground, the streets and public infrastructure kept basically intact.

They have two options here:

1) ask for the Fed to print the money;

2) make a call to their insurance companies.

See? No drama, just getting the job done.

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Lockdown-level social distancing takes heavy toll on economy

"The Aug. 15 rally nearly destroyed my business," said a man surnamed Kim, an owner of a traditional Korean eatery in Jongno, downtown Seoul.

Whining when everybody is on the streets; whining when nobody is on the streets. Why is the petite-bourgeoisie such a bunch of whining snowflakes with god complex?

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A centrist (a dying race in America right now) desperately tries to unite both sides of the polarized political spectrum:

Russia fuelling Portland & Kenosha violence? CNN turns to Russiagate tsar Schiff with bizarre take on US race tensions

This is so pathetic it almost makes me few pity for the guy.

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Huawei Moves US Investments to Russia to Avoid Sanctions Crackdown

I know Putin is an Ocidentalist, and that most Russians think themselves as an European nation/people, but wealth and prosperity is on the East. Just sayin'.

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Josep Borrell - EU's most aggressive foreign policy chief yet and Winston Churchill wannabe - warns the European peoples and governments the worse is yet to come:

Borrell Says EU to Face Strong Economic Shock in Coming Months That Will Test Solidarity

Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 14:03 utc | 133

Timothy Hagios--

" It seems like the Kenosha shooter had gone "fishing" for the opportunity to shoot someone in what he could claim to be self-defense. "

Exactly. Why take a loaded assault weapon to a protest unless you have intentions of using it.

Posted by: arby | Aug 31 2020 14:06 utc | 134

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 12:53 utc | 122

The eye witness (McGinnis) confirms people immediately begun to shout "he shot a man!" after the first victim. The mob probably formed while the kid was fleeing northwards, as people walking in the streets kept hearing and adding to the pursuit.

As I've mentioned before, it was no battle. It was a shitshow made of fanatic militiamen and the local drunk troublemakers. There were not battle lines, there were no battle formations, nobody to be "cut off", no envelopment maneuvers, nothing. It was just your usual football match violence.

Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 14:11 utc | 135

Christian J. Chuba @129

I understand your confusion when getting info about the incident from crappy rags like the New York Langley Times. Here is how the Washington Bezos Post described the beginning of the incident:

"...video shows Rittenhouse running through the parking lot of a used car dealership off Sheridan Road, just south of downtown Kenosha. He’s trailed by a man whom authorities identified as Joseph “Jojo” Rosenbaum, a 36-year-old Texas transplant." link

This is before any gunshots were heard by any witnesses.

The Washington Bezos Post then continues: "...seconds later, shots are heard. It’s unclear who fired them."

So the kid was just out running (out for a healthful jog, perhaps?) and was being "trailed" by a convicted sex offender/child rapist from Texas who had recently moved to Wisconsin to "be near his daughter" who lived in Texas. Hmm...yeah.

Sure, that's not an unbiased retelling of the event!

Why was the kid running? Because he was being chased by an adult criminal. Why was the adult criminal "trailing" the kid? A kid running away and a criminal "trailing" is also called a "chase".

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION: This "running" and "trailing" chase occurred BEFORE any shots were fired.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 14:21 utc | 136

@tim hagos. Those are the most dangerous people the ones who go fishing for an opportunity to shoot someone and claim self defence. As an american i had a gun pointed at me cuz i was riding a atv and unknowingly rode on someones private property. Something has to be done to legally prosecute people like that. Denfending your house is one thing

Posted by: Bob | Aug 31 2020 14:24 utc | 137

@SN #119
Doctorow is a science fiction writer and known for his belief that privacy is mostly impossible in the modern world. The stories I have read from him had nothing to do with “carrying water for the machine”, particularly depending on which machine you refer to.
Nor is he a technotopian; again, the stories I have read were mostly about the negative unforeseen consequences of technology.
Perhaps you can point to some examples of his ideology.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 31 2020 14:30 utc | 138

The truth about Abe's government:

Abenomics: a review

Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 14:41 utc | 139


There were not battle lines, there were no battle formations, nobody to be "cut off"
Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 14:11 utc | 135

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Again with the lies, vk

Why do you bother?

Anyone can see the Kenosha Kid get cut off from his group just by clicking the Ruptly twitter link https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1298602343689142273 ****

This is not some "interpretation" people just made up. It's a verifiable fact.

It is shortly after this that the mob, led by a child rapist, and thinking they had before them an easy target, decides to hunt him down

We all know you know all of this because you've been walked-through this very sequence of events another thread.

Seriously, why bother posting easily proven lies?

You just make yourself look utterly demented.

**Schmaltz posted this in the "Mostly Peaceful" Rioting and Looting thread

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 14:47 utc | 140

And as Gruff has told you, vk, the child-rapist-led mob decides to hunt down the Kenisha Kid before anyone fired anything at anyone else.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 14:51 utc | 141

Re: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 13:35 utc | 129

I would refer you the video link I made in my previous post on this thread (#40) that included the video Every Angle + Timeline of Kyle Rittenhouse Kenosha Riot Shooting

This includes video of the first man apparently shot by Rittenhouse; it begins showing the man chasing Rittenhouse, throwing something at him, and then chasing him behind some cars in a convenience store parking lot where you hear shots being fired (does not show Rittenhouse firing). Rittenhouse then uses the phone, reportedly calling 911 for help for the man down, but quickly has to flee as there are cries of "Get him!".

This all precedes the street chase scenes that have been widely viewed. I tend to have less sympathy for the armed mobs roaming the streets, burning down businesses and threatening business and home owners.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 31 2020 14:51 utc | 142

***Kenosha.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 14:51 utc | 143

loony,
why take a loaded assault weapon to a protest?

Why?

In case he might get chased by "an unruly mob led by a child rapist?

What nonsense you spit.

Posted by: arby | Aug 31 2020 14:54 utc | 144

Re: arby | Aug 31 2020 14:54 utc | 144

If I lived/worked on the street where the "protesters" were busy burning down businesses, I sure as hell would have a shotgun or "assault weapon" ready to defend myself and my property, since the police certainly weren't interfering in the "protests".

Calling an armed mob that is busying committing arson a "protest" is truly nonsense.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 31 2020 15:01 utc | 145

This child rapist thing you guys keep spouting in an effort to justify the killing of Joseph Rosenbaum is a bit misleading. The girl was apparently under 15 and he was 18. So it is statutory rape even if it was completely consensual. 10 years does seem a bit harsh though, maybe her family had some pull in the county.

the extra charges he got while in prison should not surprise anyone who knows about the private prison system in Arizona. They get paid for filling beds, fewer prisoners means less income.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 31 2020 15:02 utc | 146

@ Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 31 2020 14:51 utc | 142

This includes video of the first man apparently shot by Rittenhouse; it begins showing the man chasing Rittenhouse, throwing something at him, and then chasing him behind some cars in a convenience store parking lot where you hear shots being fired (does not show Rittenhouse firing). Rittenhouse then uses the phone, reportedly calling 911 for help for the man down, but quickly has to flee as there are cries of "Get him!".

Exactly. And that's my point: the kid didn't kill a man because there was a property to be fiercely defended, but because he was being bullied. No business for the kid to be there, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and all that.

@ Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 31 2020 15:01 utc | 145

I agree. Those armed guys at night were not BLM nor Antifa. As you can see by reading Kenosha News, there's only BLM in the city, and it is doing all its protests peacefully; they are uniformed, marching in block and doing their protests at daytime.

The alt-right should stop with this "brave Scot-Irish defending the transcendental right to private property against the Marxists" narrative. It is false.

Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 15:05 utc | 147


This includes video of the first man apparently shot by Rittenhouse; it begins showing the man chasing Rittenhouse, throwing something at him, and then chasing him behind some cars in a convenience store parking lot where you hear shots being fired (does not show Rittenhouse firing).

Rittenhouse then uses the phone, reportedly calling 911 for help for the man down, but quickly has to flee as there are cries of "Get him!".


Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 31 2020 14:51 utc | 142

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Glad you mentioned that because it might be an important point.

The incessant conspiracy-hunting Jackrabbit posted a video in the "Mostly peaceful" Rioting thread which, completely ignored by our friend Mr Jack Bunny, contains an alleged eyewitness statement which casts some possible doubt on the Kenosha Kid's alleged culpability for the death of the child-rapist who was chasing him.

    In the video [The conspiracy hunting bunny] linked https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=56&v=eLlUVxVLiLU at 2:46 the interviewer claims, after Rosenbaum is shot dead, but before Rittenhouse falls in the street, he heard Rittenhouse saying 'I didn't shoot anybody"

    If true it would mean someone else shot Rosenbaum and would also mean that the video being shared on this thread earlier which claimed to have audio of Rittenhous ite saying on his telephone "I shot someone' is a complete fabrication, a deliberate deception

    Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 29 2020 23:19 utc | 479

Very curiously, our intrepid conspiracy-hungry Bunny seemed to suddenly and uncharacteristicly lose all interest in hunting conspiracies as soon as it was pointed out too him what he had inadvertantly done

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 15:08 utc | 148


And that's my point: the kid didn't kill a man because there was a property to be fiercely defended, but because he was being bullied


Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 15:05 utc | 147

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And what a very very stupidly demented point it is vk.

Everyone here already knows that he was being chased by a crazed mob which had spent the previous few nights rioting, looting and burning things like the local credit union, down to the ground.

Why bother posting things that just make you look like a demented liar?

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 15:16 utc | 149

This child rapist thing you guys keep spouting in an effort to justify the killing of Joseph Rosenbaum is a bit misleading. The girl was apparently under 15 and he was 18.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 31 2020 15:02 utc | 146

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So he was 18 and therefore an adult, and she was "under 15" and therefore a 14 year old child.

Or possibly even younger, a 12 year old child, a 13 year old child, an 11 year old child.

What's your cut off point Dan?

At what age is it forgivable in your eyes for him to rape a child?

11, 12, 13, or 14 years of age?

Do tell, Dan.

"So it is statutory rape even if it was completely consensual. 10 years does seem a bit harsh though, maybe her family had some pull in the county."

It was 12 years prison I heard, and the fact that it was either 10 or l2 years could just as easily indicate that it was not nearly as "consensual" a rape as you appear to want it to be.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 15:30 utc | 150

Kyle Rittenhouse may have acted in self-defense on that night in Kenosha, but he surely is a disgraceful sucker-punching of girls SOB.

Posted by: v | Aug 31 2020 15:34 utc | 151

@ Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 15:16 utc | 149

I was referring to the first murder, not the second.

Unless, of course, you're implying the kid is Dr. Manhattan.

Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 15:38 utc | 152

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 15:08 utc | 148

Nice deception, asshole.


At 1:05
"I JUST SHOT SOMEBODY"

Posted by: v | Aug 31 2020 15:41 utc | 153

Clarifications

  • Rittenhouse wasn't calling 911 after shooting the first victim (Rosenbaum).

    Rittenhouse has said he was calling Dominic Black which was his friend and the leader of a band of militia guarding a local business. Rittenhouse was clearly a member of this group as he says on video that he was "working" there and it was his "job" to defend the property.

  • The supposed eyewitness that Contra-Conspiraloon's mentions is false/disinformation.

    >> He probably didn't know that there was a video that shows the Kyle running down the street. We don't see or hear Kyle protesting his innocence in that video.

    >> Richie McGinniss, a reporter on the scene that had interviewed Kyle before the shootings, has identified Kyle as the shooter of the first victim (Rosenbaum). The criminal complaint against Kyle mentions this and also mentions video that shows Kyle running away saying: "I think I just killed somebody."

    >> Kyle's legal defense team is claiming self-defense for all the shootings. The haven't said that he didn't do any of the shootings that he's accused of.
    gain.


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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 15:57 utc | 154

Contra-Conspiraloon

yes, your indignation is noble. Having been a young man once I too could have served 10 years in prison for having enjoyed the company of a young lady. I do make a distinction between forcible rape and the artificial one based upon calendar dates. for example, in Arizona the age of consent is 18 but in Italy it is 14. I believe there were states in the US that had 14 as well.

but, I knew this would be foolish as knee jerk is so much easier to do.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 31 2020 16:02 utc | 155

I was referring to the first [killing] not the second.


Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 15:38 utc | 152

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I know exactly which killing you were referring to.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 16:04 utc | 156

If there ever was a professional troll on Moon, there certainly is one now.

Rampaging mob, unruly mob, child rapist, and a deep library of bait phrases.

Posted by: arby | Aug 31 2020 16:11 utc | 157

arby @157

Don't forget "white supremacist" and "militia" among those bait phrases.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 16:14 utc | 158

"Kyle's legal defense team is claiming self-defense for all the shootings. The haven't said that he didn't do any of the shootings that he's accused of.
gain."

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 15:57 utc | 154
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Statements made to the press by a legal team before trial count for nothing in court.

The only video where Rittenhouse is allegedly admitting to shooting Rosenbaum is clearly shot from a relatively long range, and the audio is so indistinct as to be laughable as evidence of anything.


You're putting an enormous amount of faith in Maginnis, based on his alleged video-recording of the shooting which you, along with everyone else here, as yet have not seen.


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Nice deception, asshole.


At 1:05
"I JUST SHOT SOMEBODY"

Posted by: v | Aug 31 2020 15:41 utc | 153

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Lol, this is your evidence?

You can't hear anything properly on that audio at 1:05

Pretending that is an admission of culpability is frankly a joke. You're filling in the blanks as you want them to be

And there's no deception on my part. I correctly described what the interviewer/alleged eyewitness in the video I posted claimed.

Your inability to parse plain english is your own problem, not mine.


Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 16:20 utc | 159

arby @157

Don't forget "white supremacist" and "militia" among those bait phrases.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 16:14 utc | 158

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Yeah, arby, vk, and several others here want to reserve exclusive rights for themselves alone to decide and choose which words are permissible for describing the events in question.


For example: identifying a convicted child-rapist as a child-rapist is simply a bridge too far for them.

While a child-rapist at the head crazed mob becomes a mere "bully".

Rioting and looting reduced to little more than high-spirtedness

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 16:26 utc | 160

Rampaging mob, unruly mob, child rapist, and a deep library of bait phrases.

Posted by: arby | Aug 31 2020 16:11 utc | 157

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So you're now claiming that Rosenbaum wasn't a convicted child-rapist?

A bizzare claim to say the least.

And a bunch of people who rioted, looted and burned down buildings including the local Credit Union are somehow not permissible to describe as a "mob".

Seriously deranged thinking.


Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 16:32 utc | 161

The drowning Outlaw US Empire seems to have crossed a Chinese Red Line with regard to Taiwan. This Global Times Editorial uses the strongest language I've read yet--the intent to declare a No-Fly Zone over all of Taiwan:

"If the island has made arrangements of take-offs and landings of US military jets, it is crossing the Chinese mainland's redline to safeguard national unity. This will be very serious. If the mainland has conclusive evidence, it can destroy the relevant airport in the island and the US military aircraft that land there - a war in the Taiwan Straits will thus begin.

"We need to warn Tsai Ing-wen authorities and Washington again: Don't play with fire. The Chinese mainland is resolute in safeguarding national sovereignty and territorial integrity. We don't want to fight a war, but we will firmly respond to the moves that aim to split our country.

"The US and Taiwan island are increasingly colluding. The American Institute in Taiwan on Thursday posted a photo showing a US Air Force tanker refueling a fighter jet of the island. This was pure provocation. Public opinion on the mainland is getting fed up with the collusion between the island and Washington. More and more people don't believe peaceful reunification could be an option, with reunification by force more widely discussed."

Action is going to follow as the Chinese are not bluffing. Their patience with Trump/Pompeo has about reached its end. The Politburo's voice continues:

"We suggest Beijing officially declare the 'airspace' over the Taiwan island as a patrol area of the People's Liberation Army (PLA). The PLA's reconnaissance aircraft and fighter jets will perform missions over Taiwan island. These military aircraft could declare sovereignty, and could check whether there are US military planes landing at Taiwan's airports or US warships docking at the island's ports. If the island's military dares to fire the first shot at the PLA's aircraft, it will mean provocation of a war, and the PLA should immediately destroy Taiwan's military forces and achieve reunification through military means.

"Washington has taken Taiwan island as a prominent pawn in its strategic suppression of Beijing, and Tsai authorities are eager to be part of the US' China strategy. This has had a long-term negative impact on the cross-Straits situation. Beijing must destroy the US pawn. The DPP has rejected the 1992 consensus, mistakenly believing they could safely realize "Taiwan secession" by relying on the US. If they are not taught a lesson, they won't change.

"PLA fighter jets patrol above Taiwan, and the risks not only go to the Chinese mainland, but also the Taiwan military, Taiwan authorities and the US. It is a contest of will and strength. The mainland should look for an appropriate opportunity to announce this decision, and the PLA fighter jets make their debut above Taiwan island. The opportunity may be when US planes land in Taiwan or high-level US officials visit Taiwan. At that time, it is more reasonable if the mainland sends warplanes to claim sovereignty, and the mainland will win more understanding from international opinion." [My Emphasis]

I expect to hear/read Pompeo or Trump's reaction by this evening. I also anticipate an event to occur soon, within a few weeks. I also expect something to occur in concert with that event, the what and where being difficult to discern at the moment. The time for provocations has ended. Either the Outlaw US Empire backs down or it will lose the coming war with China and Russia, and its current troubles will be wished for instead of the war's outcome.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2020 16:35 utc | 162

loony. i don't like to feed trolls but since you have dominated the boards.

WTF does child rapist have to do with chasing a heavily armed idiot?

Posted by: arby | Aug 31 2020 16:41 utc | 163

The supposed eyewitness that Contra-Conspiraloon's mentions is false/disinformation.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 15:57 utc | 154

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Lol Bunny, YOU originally posted that video, not me!

    Not sure how important this may be ...

    ... but no one has yet noticed/mentioned it

    Soon after Rittenhouse falls in the middle of the road, an armed man is seen on the sidewalk by the panning camera.

    We see another armed man in the RT video close to the same place.

    Were these the same guy? Was he accompanying the photographer/videographer or is he militia?

    Who was the photographer? (He looks a bit like Richie McGinniss but McGinniss was helping the first victim and went to the hospital with him.)

    !!

    Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 29 2020 23:04 utc | 472

You were more than happy with the video until it was pointed out to you what it contained.

Now its "disinformation"

Lol

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 16:44 utc | 164

Contra-Conspiraloon @Aug31 16:20 #159

You are clearly partisan. You're going to dispute any evidence against Kyle and latch on to anything that might help Kyle.

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The real problem for Kyle is that he overreacted and shot the first victim (Rosenbaum) FOUR TIMES. Then he shot and killed Huber despite Huber's moving away from Kyle at the time.

Kyle was clearly under the command of the militia. And it was likely the militia that armed Kyle (against Wisconsin law) - Kyle's lawyers say that Kyle didn't transport his weapon across state lines so someone armed Kyle. The property owner that hired the militia may also have liability. Lastly, it's reasonable to ask if the militia was using Kyle as recon or bait.

Kyle wasn't mature enough to be armed at a riot. His immaturity is evident in the McGinniss' video interview of Kyle. McGinniss has also stated that Kyle was "very innocent". Because of his innocence, Kyle probably either said something to the Antifa that angered them or the Antifa or the Antifa wanted to take his gun because they thought that Kyle was an easy target.

The militia put Kyle in harms way. Did they do that with the hope/expectation that there would be a confrontation between Kyle and Antifa thugs? That is the most important question. A question that Contra-Conspiraloon doesn't want us asking.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 16:46 utc | 165

Spanish Prime Minister Urges Gov't to Overcome Political Differences for Economic Recovery

Let me guess: that "tourism will save our country" thesis didn't work out.

--//--

Why the US is Doomed

See, this is the main issue: for a pro-capitalist ideologue, every problem the USA (which is capitalism's magnus opus) is eminently political: culture wars, corruption, incompetence, laziness, detour from the mos maiorum (Bill of Rights/Founding Fathers fetichism), Marxist conspiracy (aka if it's on Twitter, it must be true) etc. etc.

The problem, however, is not political, but structural: if a new, revolutionary technology(ies) don't come out quickly enough, capitalism will die of old age. That's the only way to restore capitalism's profit rates. And even then, a war would be necessary, as corporate and public debt levels are already too high, and the stock of old, unproductive technology/infrastructure is still there, so they need to wiped out (by a war; "creative destruction").

Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 16:46 utc | 166

karlof1@162

That seems like a really bad idea. I'm sure that Pompeo and company would love nothing more than to provoke conflict between Taiwan and Mainland China. Then they can just sit back, do nothing, and reap the propaganda benefits of the conflict while pretending they weren't involved.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Aug 31 2020 16:46 utc | 167

Is there anyone who wants to claim with a straight face that Rittenhouse, with his hotheadedness, criminal history, and attraction to violence, was the ideal kind of person to show up at a riot with an assault weapon?

Rittenhouse was a moron with a psychological disorder. The guy who attacked him was also a moron with a psychological disorder. Both psychotic morons took a bad situation and made it worse.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Aug 31 2020 16:57 utc | 168

Below is a quote from a recent Reuters posting about TikTok

"
China’s new rules around tech exports mean ByteDance’s sale of TikTok U.S. operations could need approval from Beijing, a Chinese trade expert told state media on Sunday, a requirement that would complicate the forced and politically charged divestment.

Shares of Walmart, Microsoft and Oracle fell between 1% and 2.5% in morning trading.
"
@ karlof1 with the comment about Taiwan.....I don't see China as forcing a war over Taiwan like you describe. I see China changing the rules just like Trump in the TikTok situation.....it is empire that is getting desperate, not China.

None have commented on the Trump notion that the US Treasury should get a cut of the TikTok deal if it were to go down. Seems like blatant corruption to me.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 31 2020 17:02 utc | 169

Rittenhouse's ..... criminal history


Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Aug 31 2020 16:57 utc | 168

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Rittenhouse's criminal history???

Do tell.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 17:12 utc | 170

CC @ 170

I had heard that he had a couple of arrests, but apparently those were for a different Kyle Rittenhouse. (https://www.the-sun.com/news/1385811/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-suspect-criminal-record/)

Nevertheless, the Kyle Rittenhouse who did the shooting in Kenosha did not possess the psychological maturity necessary for handling a firearm, much less an assault rifle, much less in the middle of a riot.

Posted by: Timothy Hagios | Aug 31 2020 17:22 utc | 171

psychohistorian @169--

Thanks for your reply! If it came across that China's forcing the war, then I haven't been clear over the past month as events have escalated. China's clearly reacting to the ongoing, escalating provocations made by the Outlaw US Empire. Hong Kong was easy to solve; Taiwan not as much. Strange as it may seem, the old antagonist KMT is with the CPC on this, the DPP's belligerence pushing the KMT to favor peaceful unification as they know who will suffer the consequences of being the Outlaw US Empire's pawn.

Events are moving swiftly in the contest as the recent policy change related to TikTok reveals, which will impact every proposed future sale of a Chinese company, something I've seen coming for awhile--When you don't allow Chinese companies to purchase assets based within the Outlaw US Empire, downgrade diplomatic and commercial contacts, and begin to hassle Chinese students over visas and anything else while spouting racist bombast, you're not going to get what you want.

Time will tell--quickly, IMO--if push comes to shove.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2020 17:23 utc | 172

Militia leader Dominic Black:

“Do you know what the cops told us today? We’re going to push them to you, because you can deal with them, then we’re going to leave.”

Here's Kyle with militia leader Dominic Black

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 17:29 utc | 173

arby @163: "WTF does child rapist have to do with chasing a heavily armed idiot?"

I dunno... maybe because the "heavily armed idiot" is a child?

You are not defending a child rapist that goes around chasing children, are you?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 17:30 utc | 174

Re my earlier suggestion (on appropriate pages) that the Navalny "poisoning" has come at a convenient time for Merkel vis a vis the Nordstream 2 problemo.

So far as I'm aware the German population (and others, aside from the Poles) are happy with the prospect of a lower priced piped natural gas rather than an expensive container style shipped USA-ian version (the former decidedly better, in the long run, for the environment, but we know that the Muricans care little about that - let's leave here and go dirty up Mars). They want Nordstream 2.

But Merkel an East German is at fundament not exactly pro-Russian. And given her buckling under US pressure on other things in the past...Navalny's "poisoning" (self-administered or no) could not be more opportune.

Today, I think on the Beeb's World Service news report (early morning here in la la land as my late husband used to call it), I heard that Heiko Maas has said that this "poisoning" has cast a dark cloud over relations with Russia and he demanded that Russia investigate (or perhaps open the doors to a "trustworthy" [ho ho] EU/NATO investigation) it and let the EU know.

Well, of course, Mr Putin, you need to salute, click heels and say, Jawohl, Mein Herr, Meine Frau...your wish be fulfilled...

Navalny is Russian - not German, or French or American. By what right do these arses presume to direct Russian polity/policy? I don't doubt that the Russians are investigating; but not because the hyper-inflated egos in the EU have told them they must. And I do not doubt that no matter what the Russians discover, it will be dismissed as lies, cover up, untrue if it doesn't produce the story that the western powers want.

Posted by: AnneR | Aug 31 2020 17:33 utc | 175

As predictable given the source--Russia to blame for Kenosha and other rioting:

"Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper went on CNN to accuse Russia of interfering in US affairs including the Covid-19 pandemic, Portland and Kenosha protests, and election meddling while giving no real evidence."

But which side of the protests is Russia backing, or is it doing both a la the CIA? Seems logical to take Clapper's comment and assume as he does that Pro-Trump forces are actually Commies financed by Russia. I bet Clapper will say Rittenhouse was trained by undercover FSB agents and that there's a secret conduit between Kenosha PD and the Russian Embassy like the one that goes to BLM headquarters. As we see, Clapper works real hard on CNN's credibility.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2020 17:37 utc | 176


arby @163: "WTF does child rapist have to do with chasing a heavily armed idiot?"

I dunno... maybe because the "heavily armed idiot" is a child?

You are not defending a child rapist that goes around chasing children, are you?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 17:30 utc | 174

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He is, lol.

What a strange hill for arby to deliberately choose to die on.

On the "Mostly peaceful" thread he was even describing the child-rapist, the serial domestic abuser and the convicted armed robber as "gutsy".

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 17:40 utc | 177

"Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper went on CNN to accuse Russia of interfering in US affairs including the Covid-19 pandemic, Portland and Kenosha protests, and election meddling while giving no real evidence."

But which side of the protests is Russia backing, or is it doing both a la the CIA? Seems logical to take Clapper's comment and assume as he does that Pro-Trump forces are actually Commies financed by Russia. I bet Clapper will say Rittenhouse was trained by undercover FSB agents and that there's a secret conduit between Kenosha PD and the Russian Embassy like the one that goes to BLM headquarters. As we see, Clapper works real hard on CNN's credibility.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2020 17:37 utc | 176

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Ah, so it was Putin, and not Jamie Dimon, that paid Dominic Black to burn down the Kenosha Credit Union.

This is all getting so very confusing. Hard to keep track. I'll just have to wait for the Bunny to explain it all to me.

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 17:49 utc | 178

Look for more trouble coming from India as Modi like Trump tries to avoid being responsible for the 24% contraction of India's economy as we again have Indian military violating the border with China after that situation seemed solved. India's curve didn't start its rapid rise until mid-May; and although it's briefly slowed perhaps a half-dozen times, it continues its upward trajectory. So far India's been spared a death rate similar to that of the Outlaw US Empire, but its curves are much steeper and that rate may change for the worse. And given the steep rise in new cases, Modi will seek further diversions from the problems his mismanagement have caused. In that regards, Modi and Trump are akin.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2020 17:59 utc | 179

Gruffy @ 174

Yes, maybe he thought Rittenhouse was cute and couldn't overwhelm his strong desire to rape him.

Posted by: arby | Aug 31 2020 18:07 utc | 180

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon
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Time for you to go back to Mommy's basement and chew on her buttplug.

Posted by: CitizenX | Aug 31 2020 18:11 utc | 181

Lebanon update

Lebanon appoints new prime minister ahead of Macron visit

  • Despite his low profile, some analysts were quick to question whether Mr Adib was far enough removed from previous administrations to win the public’s support.
    He's close to a former PM

  • Mr Adib has studied and taught in France, according to his biography ...
    Naturally b/c France is taking the lead in Lebanon reformation / anti-Hezbollah.

  • In a rare live televised appearance on Sunday night, Lebanon’s president, Mr Aoun, called for a shift towards a “secular” or “civil” state.
    The first step in forming an anti-Hezbollah government.

  • The economic situation has deteriorated further due to the August explosion.
    The West has made it clear that aid is conditioned on "reform" that leads to an anti-Hezbollah government.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 18:15 utc | 182

arby @180

Rape isn't about sexual gratification or attraction, it is about power over the victim. With that understood, you could be right. It certainly fits the evidence.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2020 18:16 utc | 183

Surprising absolutely no one who is paying attention.

Appeals Court DENIES Flynn request to dismiss case

Once again: IMO Flynn, Manafort, and Wikileaks/Assange were targeted/set-up as part of the fixed election of Trump in 2016.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 18:24 utc | 184

Gruffy,
Wait a minute. Not sure if it is true but this rape thing was about a teenage him having sex with a younger teenage girl.
I doubt if that fits the profile of a rapist as is normally depicted.

Anyway I find connecting the two completely different acts very questionable and is just a cheap attempt to smear the man.

Posted by: arby | Aug 31 2020 18:26 utc | 185

William Gruff @Aug31 18:16 #183

Your wild speculation is not helpful.

In the RT video, Antifa is seen preparing to attack the police in the minutes before the first shooting. They are in the road across the intersection where police armored vehicles are standing by.

But the Antifa abandoned their position, which was behind a large but flimsy umbrella, just about the time that Kyle leaves the gas station to walk down Sheridan Avenue to where the first shooting occurs.

It's logical to assume that they intercepted Kyle on the way.

They may have thought they could take this kid's gun from him. They may have wanted to use it against the police. The upcoming confrontation with a militarized police was probably paramount in their mind.

Or, Kyle found them making further preparations for the confrontation with police and said something to them that angered them or they took umbrage at Kyle's spying on them.

Either way, Kyle's youthful innocence and inexperience worked against him. 17-year old Kyle should not have been at a riot with a gun. The people that placed him in such a situation have something to answer for.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 18:36 utc | 186

@Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 18:15 utc | 182

Wrong, mate, Hezbollah voted for this candidate, against the US option previous to the blast...Nawaf Salam, judge of ICJ only supported by the Lebenese Forces...

They have voted in their favor:

Small black square
Future Movement
Small black square
Free Patriotic Movement
Hezbollah
Amal
Marada
Progressive Socialist Party
Mikati block

Lebanese Forces voted for Nawaf Salam, judge of the International Court of Justice, who came second with 15 votes.

https://twitter.com/descifraguerra/status/1300402853476003841

The proof is that during his visit to Gemmayzeh and Mar Makhael, he was booed and shouts of "revolution" were heard...

It seems a candidate of consensus, the same that happened with Al Khadimi in Iraq...acceptable to the West... and respectable enough for a mojority in parliament ( 90 to 120...)

For what it seems he aims at forming a technocratic government who fullfills goals and not limit itself to promise and not delvier, trying to get to an agreement with the IMF, saying there are few choices left for the country...

The IMF factor is a bad sign IMO...

The laicism of the state will not harm Hezbollah more than it would do the Sunnis, Christians or Druzes who have always been part of the factions governing. hezbollah could be even benefitted, since this open the possibility to gain more seats by popular support...thus more democracy...Of course, in the current tendency, the results would be always impugnated whenever they benefit hezbollah as is happening lately everywhere where a party or force which oppose US interests win elections

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 18:45 utc | 187

b - it would be good to have a specific thread for and on Kyle Rittenhouse... that way i could consciously avoid it...

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2020 18:45 utc | 188

Finally a sane voice in the USA:

America’s Fake Civil War

I saw the videos of the riots happening in the USA these last years, and, with maybe the exception of the Virginia one, I'm not impressed at all. "Riots" like that happen every time in the Third World, after a football match.

So you know, the author of this op-ed is, and I quote:

Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War that has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades and consulted with governments challenged by security issues. He’s a senior editor and chairman of the board of Veterans Today, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”

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@ Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 18:36 utc | 186

How do you know they're Antifa? Did they have a vexillation?

Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 18:49 utc | 189

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/nojusticenopeace

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 31 2020 18:51 utc | 190

William Gruff @Aug31 18:16 #183

Your wild speculation is not helpful.

Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 18:36 utc | 186

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JR, you of all people are in no position to be lecturing anyone about "wild speculation".

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 31 2020 18:57 utc | 191

"Small black square" IS NOT a Lebanese Party with representatives at parliament, sorry, it was the translator which translated the signs in that Twitt...

May be it was quite obvious, but just in case...clarifying...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 18:58 utc | 192

@179 karlof1

Thanks for the Taiwan news. Have you read Crooke's latest yet?

The Dissolution of Liberal Universalism

I've thought he was wandering a little in recent essays, but this one is really compact and suggests how the old and failing Liberalism of the individual is being displaced by the civilizations of the world. I found it extremely resonant. I have still to read some of the linked essays.

I've thought the same of Escobar lately, of course, and I see now this is how it goes when a writer dives to explore a deeper significance, appearing along the way too deeply immersed to speak to the current consensus, then surfacing every third or fourth essay to knock one out of the park. I suspect you can relate. Impatient me.

ps..apologies if I may have missed your own earlier treatment of this article, it's hard to see all the nuggets in the threads lately, through the hysteria.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 31 2020 18:58 utc | 193

Don 72, yes the absurdity and lighter side calls - it is all so crazy - …

The Saker article, as referred to several times.

https://thesaker.is/will-hillary-and-the-dems-get-the-civil-war-they-are-trying-to-provoke/

The Dems are not trying to provoke a civil war.

They hate Trump with an extremist passion and are trying any ‘book’ (their book) moves to get rid of him. And have been doing so from before the 2016 election. One of the aims was to create 'an outside enemy' that 'everyone could hate' to solder the in-group, not lose members, keep the hysteria high, etc. (Trump himself was the target but attacking a Repub. or another US pol needed extra justification > RussiaRussiaRussia.)

Does that mean their strategies lead to sharper, more ugly, divisions? Yes. Is that a good electoral strategy? No.

The problem is the Dems have no political platform, no plan, no ideas, no proposals so they have gradually turned into a cult-like group, adhering in a quasi-religious way to IDPOL, to the point of supporting BLM and the rioting that occurs. (They need 90% of the black vote to win the presidency, which imho they won’t get..)

The Saker seems to hoist Florida up as a +++ place where sheriffs will stand by citizens…now I am not in the US, but this seems to me to be illusory or in any case not particular to Florida. Law enforcement (police, sheriffs, whatever) will stand on the side of ‘good’ citizens (what definition? hmm?) - what about others? Their role, ideally, is to stop violence of any kind - not to take sides.

He writes: I think that it is pretty clear that the US deep state and the Dem Party are using BLM/Antifa as footsoldiers to create chaos and prepare for even worse violence should Trump win.  I understand what he is getting at, but equating the US Deep State (I prefer PTB) with the Dems is ridiculous. The PTB own and manipulate the pols. A web, a network, of ties, of influence, of payments which controls those put up front (pols) exists, a corp-media-pol landscape of mutual exchange, influence and jockeying.

As for Pelosi saying there shouldn’t be debates, right-i-o, as there are no policies, principles, proposals, political orientations put forward - there is nothing to debate. Merits a badge for honesty! :)

Rand Paul was heckled in the street. Ok . Big Deal. Most Unpleasant. He came over like a privileged scared rich kid.

The Dems won’t get their civil war – but they will suffer the blowback for their attempts to destroy the United States.

There will be no civil war in the US. The Dems are not attempting to destroy the US - they are merely trying to hold onto the money, position train. The Repubs, the same. If anything both parties are trying to maintain the status quo.

When grave rifts appear in the tissue of the phoney ‘duopoly’ (or more parties in other countries…) the end point is often a one-party state. A ‘tech’ Gvmt. For the good of all!

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 31 2020 19:02 utc | 194

America´s fake civil war

@Posted by: vk | Aug 31 2020 18:49 utc | 189

But...then...people like Pat Lang, who have passed all these months making noise about the riots, just declared the start of the US Civil War as soon as the first Trump follower died, without even considering he could have been killed by friend fire...as the suspcious guy armed to the teeth who seems to be waiting for his victim so clearly show...

IMO, all these riots were organized by the same Trump people in the view that they could easily lose the election after how Trump managed the pandemic and sunk the economy and what remained of US soft power abroad...

It is way too suspicious that all the propiciatory victims have criminal records...

BTW, despicable how the previous lost lives did not mind Pat Lang in the least, publishing numerous threads to justify that the dudes almost killed themselves through their way of life, obviating who finished them in the asphalt, in an astounding twisting interpretation of law and rights, then he turns to claim the start a civil war when one of his dies....

That in the US some lives matter more then others is a fact since the beginning of that state, and why some people, apart from the propiciatory victims, have gone into the streets shouting "enough is enough, I´m not gonna take it any more"

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 19:12 utc | 195

AnneR | Aug 31 2020 17:33 utc | 175

There was an article in tass that I linked in one of these threads about the Duma discussing whether the incident should be investigated as a provocation. I suspect Russia will be investigating as whatever Navalny took to produce the group of symptoms had the Russian toxicologists stumped.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 31 2020 19:14 utc | 196

H.Schmatz @Aug31 18:45 #187

I think the plan of the Western powers plus including Israel and Saudi Arabia is to have a West-leaning government in Lebanon that rejects Iran and treats Hezbollah as a terrorist group. This effort probably leads to civil war at some point.

Believe, as you and others do, that Hezbollah fully understands the situation (I'm sure they do), doesn't mean that we shouldn't recognize what is going on.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 19:19 utc | 197

Grieved @193--

See my comment/reply to you on the Montenegro thread. Yes, Crooke's on it!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 31 2020 19:24 utc | 198

H.Schmatz @Aug31 19:12 #195

It is way too suspicious that all the propiciatory victims have criminal records...

That a violently anti-government group includes people with criminal records doesn't seem "way too suspicious" to me. Here's what's really suspicious:
  • the militia armed a 17-year old;
  • the militia sent him out to a crowd with a violent element;
  • the media haven't identified Dominic Black as the militia leader despite his being named in the legal complaint;
  • the police appear to have a cozy relationship with the militia and have stonewalled questions about that relationship;
  • Trump talks past the controversy with statements in support of "patriots" is suspicious;
  • Biden ignores Kenosha is suspicious (he's visiting Pittsburgh instead).

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 19:32 utc | 199

@Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 31 2020 19:19 utc | 197

Sometimes a technocratic government who makes its best to rise the economy ot floating levle is the only card left...Most probably, Hezbollah, who seem to be pragmatic people, clearly understands this...

The need of a government is urgent, as the "revolutionaires" leaded by Geagea, Israel nad the US will feed from a power vaccuum...Thus has been understood by anybody, including Macron...
Of course, Macron would like to get Lebanon indebted to the IMF for the ages to come...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 31 2020 19:36 utc | 200

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