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August 23, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-67

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

> A necessary condition for a person like Donald Trump ever winning a major election is now back in play: No one thinks he is going to win. <
> The Press Secretary's statement quotes Trump distancing himself from We Build the Wall on July 12 this year. That's a year and a half after the private border-wall campaign launched—and the week of ex-U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman's unexpected and unexplained ouster. <
> Navalny said himself that he suffered from diabetes in 2019, giving some credence to this explanation. <

Other issues:

Belarus color revolution / coup attempt:



Big bang:

Use as open thread ...

Posted by b on August 23, 2020 at 13:05 UTC | Permalink

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@ vk (doubleheader)

Yeah, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Each of the goals you moot does not exclude the others, I think.

It does also occur to my imagination that it may be a preparation for an actual direct military assault - something I think most militaries are practicing for. Anyway an attempt to put Russia on the back foot at a suitable time, which would thereafter be exploited, the old "one-two punch".


@ S.O. (97) "Popular support has nothing to do with the honesty of a leader and no term limits means you're subject to a better liar for ever."

If you say so, friend. That has not been my observation. Conrad did not mention "popular support" and neither did I. They all lie, but Conrad spoke of graft and theft and murder. Assuming they are 99% crooks it's obvious that a long term theft would be enhanced if the government was otherwise doing a good job. Otherwise, with "term limits" their "best" course is a smash and grab (which we see today)

"Craig is 100% honest in what he says but people need to get the context."

Again if you say so, friend. I suggest you consider replacing "honest" with "sincere", like all men, Craig is sometimes in error. I am sure Conrad would think so. I recall an error or two I have made, and I was absolutely sincere, but wrong.

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 14:39 utc | 101

@Walter 99

yep this is real, and local to me. I live in NY state, and we have been importing PA 'energy industry' wastewater to use as road deicing fluid in the winter, since it is nice and salty. It then drains into local waters. There are other subtle effects (it is more than just the radium, which is a long term hazard... I suspect the different mineral content disrupts ecosystems. there may be other factors like changes to herbicides and improved roadside drainage eliminating natural filtration... but there have definitely been more and more mildly toxic green algae outbreaks each summer in the lakes in the past 10 years (I have been here 20).

Anyway, parts of PA geology have significant amounts of radium, it is well known and when people buy a house there, it is normal to get the property tested for the radon gas. On our end in NY, several counties tried and in some cases did ban the dumping of this wastewater, but the state had jurisdiction over the state roads so they win. Of course the fluid immediately drains into adjacent land under county jurisdiction...

Anyway you should post the real rolling stone link, it's worth knowing about.

Posted by: ptb | Aug 24 2020 14:40 utc | 102

ps correction to myself, radon and radium are not the same...

Posted by: ptb | Aug 24 2020 14:45 utc | 103

An interesting article by Vladimir Terekhov at NEO. It ends thus:
" must be said that the fears in the United States about China becoming a global power are rather bewildering, some may even argue completely irrational, as China is offering the world a wholly positive project. Surely these fears are all of the notorious Chinese leadership, which one could hardly call rational.

"Of course, everyone has the right to live in a their own fantasy world. However, it is not a good idea to allow myths and pseudo-scientific theories, perhaps about the Chinese leadership, to enter real life. Attempting to do so is counterproductive, which was very accurately illustrated by a truly reputable Hong Kong newspaper, the South China Morning Post."

Posted by: bevin | Aug 24 2020 14:53 utc | 104

Assessment of Colonel Cassad

Posted by: Kaiama | Aug 24 2020 14:53 utc | 105

Here is the link to the SCMP article

Posted by: bevin | Aug 24 2020 14:56 utc | 106

ptb | Aug 24 2020 14:40 utc | 102 I gave url in tinyurl. My facility with 'puter is deficient.

Thanks. In Anoxia the horse-fencing is most all pulled oil/gas wellpipe, OD 2 3/8th and a larger telescoping tube. Also "sucker-rod". The wall thickness is highly variable and I suppose the pipe is pulled due to effacement in use. It's got out of spec. The inside are fairly clean, steamed I guess, but there are dry deposits of scale.

I wonder what my giegercounter would show. I have used a lot of this pipe in project around the digs. Used a grinder on it. Welded it, painted it, all that. Oh well... I do intend to get a GC, and if dearuncle gives down another round of free dollars, I probably will.

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 15:03 utc | 107

Colonel Cassad

apologies for length post y'all. Machine translation

1. In terms of numbers, the opposition counted from 100 to 250 thousand. The Ministry of Internal Affairs stated that 20 thousand. The truth is somewhere there ... It seems that we can talk about several tens of thousands of people at the rally in Minsk. More accurately can be said by those who are counting on their heads by analyzing the pictures taken from above, which better than other allow checking the reliability of the statements of the authorities and the opposition.
Visually, the rally on August 23 seemed somewhat less ambitious than the rally on August 16, which remains the peak.
On the one hand, the past rally can be interpreted as a "trend fading", but the total number is nevertheless quite enough to create the necessary picture of a mass protest. Accordingly, after the rallies next Sunday, it will be possible to build a curve and see whether the protests in Minsk will go downhill or the situation will develop in waves, as it was in the first months of the yellow vest protests, when protesters renewed their number records several times. especially after joining the protests of trade unions.

2. Lukashenka yesterday in every possible way demonstrated his readiness for forceful options and attempts to storm administrative buildings. The image of a man with a gun reminded me of Allende. This is a kind of reminder that Lukashenko is not going to leave Belarus anywhere and is ready to defend himself with arms in hand if there is an attempt to transfer the rallies from fermenting around the city to storming administrative buildings. Hence the snipers on the roofs, a large number of security forces, cordoning off at a number of key areas, paddy wagons and other special equipment scattered around the city. As Lukashenka himself said, since Monday "let them not be offended." So far, this translates into broadcasting the image of a "man with a gun", an order to stop the work of the striking enterprises, as well as today's order to dismiss teachers from schools who do not share the state ideology.

3. All this clearly indicates that, combining the tactics of concessions and pressure, Lukashenka aims at the fact that in the medium term the protests will become less massive, and the KGB and other security structures will work hard on activists and disloyal ones. Along the way, all this will be accompanied by rallies in support of Lukashenka, which will be held on weekdays and affect not only large cities, as well as the work of an updated information policy (with the participation of Russian specialists) and a transition to more active action in Telegram, where channels like Yellow plums ", acting in line with the Maidan-Antimaydan discourse. In addition, Lukashenka actually has diplomatic support from Russia, which in a number of aspects actually duplicates Minsk's statements about the Belomaidan threat or voices the danger of the "Reanimation Package of Reforms", which the opposition is trying to disown, but which Lavrov spoke about quite clearly.

4. The West will naturally continue to put pressure on Lukashenka, but as it is already noticeable, they are afraid to “squeeze” and push Lukashenka even more into the arms of the Kremlin, whose help for Lukashenka has become critically important in the context of crumbling relations with Western countries and their puppets in Eastern Europe. Nevertheless, anti-Maidan and anti-NATO rhetoric will be in the mainstream of the Belarusian state propaganda in the coming months. And a further deterioration in relations with the West is inevitable, especially in light of the expected increase in pressure on the organizers of the protest in Belarus.

5. Regarding Lukashenka's prospects, it seems that rallies and unrest in the streets will not lead to his overthrow. Attempts to seize power by force will also be stopped by loyal security officials. Options that could lead to Lukashenka's departure: [and their evil g man stops..]

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 15:27 utc | 108

According to Charité (German hospital looking after Navalny) "The early clinical findings indicate the presence of a substance pertaining to a group of so-called cholinesterase inhibitors in Navalny's system" (Sputnik News)

It looks like Russia is to be accused of poisoning Novalny with NOVICHOK, and we [in the West] are meant to believe that Russian Doctors were unable to identify organophosphate poisoning.

(I believe, Scripals were poisoned with Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors which are a sub-class of cholinesterase inhibitors.)

Posted by: ADKC | Aug 24 2020 15:31 utc | 109


You myopically look at this as a battle between the cell and virus without consideration of the human immune system which is a product of evolution. Much of our DNA is made up of virus particles. Indeed the virus predated both the cell and the DNA. Our immune system is perfectly capable of dealing with viruses. Those who succumb to viruses have immature, dysfunctional or deficient immune systems due to age, chronic inflammation (from disease) or nutritional deficiency

There is no need for a vaccine, mask or any other intervention outside of hospital. The virus is not an external threat. Its part of the environment we must learn to coexist with . Man adopts to evolving viruses with continued evolution of its own immune system. Embrace the science of the immune system and evolution. by: Kay Fabe @ 52

<== Thank you for your comment but i do not myoptically look at anything I hope... According to <=== An immune response is a reaction which occurs within an organism for the purpose of defending against foreign invaders. These invaders include a wide variety of different microorganisms including viruses, bacteria, parasites, and fungi ,..[1] There are two distinct aspects of the immune response, the innate and the adaptive, which work together to protect against pathogens. The innate branch—the body's first reaction to an invader—is known to be a non-specific and quick response to any sort of pathogen immune response to infection before the cell is infected or any part of the body is infected.. ?

.the Immune Response is not a preventive to SARS CoVid 19 infection of a human cell..the immune response fights the challenges presented by the challenging virus . A defeatist might suggest humans must learn to co exist with pathogenic viri..? virons are external to the cell, hopefully the innate Immune response can keep it that way. Unless and until the virus successfully infects the cell, .... is exactly my point.. we humans need to find a way to stop the infection at the outer boundary of our cells when all defenses including the innate system fail.. the virus gains access into the living human cell.

virus challenge => interface <= innate defense fails<=>cell challenged
==========================>infection complete> adaptive system responds.
there are a few problems with this model. but for this discussion it might do.

Posted by: snake | Aug 24 2020 15:52 utc | 110

Good Morning! I'd like to direct barflies to Crooke's latest effort, which is quite a load, little of which you'll see discussed in mainstream oracles. Here's a hint:

"Yet, whilst the media focus is all on this ‘tech’ and ‘sphere’ de-coupling, something profound – and quite separate – is already shaping the global monetary order (quite apart from likely Chinese exclusion). It is set, in the longer term, to be more revolutionary – and contentious – than even ‘de-coupling’. It is getting sparse attention."

Although tied to the failed Belarus Color Revolution attempt, Navalny's exploits are also serving to mask discussion of the rapidly evolving China/Eurasia situation. (I should remind Peter AU 1 that the KMT don't want independence for Taiwan; rather, it's the new radical pro-CIA party. I suggest reading this curt, terse, note by China addressed to TrumpCo today.)

I hope to discuss the topic of Crooke's article as the day moves along.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 16:04 utc | 111

karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 16:04 utc | 111 Dude, It begins to look like a broad frontal attack in every "sphere" of modern war. See also my remarks and others, vk in particular, at MoA poisoning N thread...

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 16:10 utc | 112

Walter @112--

Yes, but war needs solvent financing to feed it. I'm now reviewing the recent Keiser Reports, beginning with this one which is filled with data and historic background/parallels.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 16:35 utc | 113

The real situation shaping global order is the collapse of the US economy featuring:
>high unemployment
>quarter-mile food lines
>widespread eviction filing for nonpayment of rent, starting today (estimates of 30 million affected)
>wide disregard for COVID-19 preventive measures
>education programs without classroom attendance
>poor health and medical care
>the usual widespread corruption
>continued assassination of black men resulting in violent protests, etc.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 24 2020 16:56 utc | 114

Anti-corruption campaigner Alexey Navalny was poisoned, according to doctors at Charite clinic in Berlin. Tests have shown that the protest leader was found with a cholinesterase inhibitor inside his system.
While the exact substance remains unknown, the presence of a cholinesterase inhibitor means long-term effects are possible, particularly to the nervous system, according to a statement from the hospital.
Cholinesterase inhibitors are chemicals used in drugs for Alzheimer’s disease and dementia, but are also found in pesticides and nerve agents.

Posted by: Gratamila | Aug 24 2020 16:59 utc | 115

Cholinesterase inhibitors seem to be used against Altzheimers desease and dementia, but treating cocaine dependency, too.

Posted by: Pr | Aug 24 2020 17:00 utc | 116

@ Pr #116 who wrote
Cholinesterase inhibitors seem to be used against Altzheimers desease and dementia, but treating cocaine dependency, too.

LOL!!! Give this person a Kewpie doll!!

How will the Wag the Dog folks spin this?

And meanwhile, Julian Assange is in prison while humanity watches a rich kid debase himself further for the cause.....keeping global finance in private

Future anthropologists, if there are any, will look at records of these times and note how effective propaganda of the day was such that it kept all public conversation about the core social contract, of which private finance is key, silent.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 24 2020 17:22 utc | 117

How many barflies think we're in the process of a "Fourth Turning"? That seems to be the focus of Max, Stacy and their guests on the last two Keiser Reports, where in this show it's agreed that for the past 35 years the fundamental policy of the Federal Reserve Chairs is completely "fraudulent" and is the basis for today's problem. Yes, it's a huge problem, but if we can "fix the money" and "the politics" the commonfolk will have a better future once the crisis works itself out. Can it be done without a major war occurring is the hot question, and there's some optimism that might be avoided provided Russia and China can convince the EU to cease following the Outlaw US Empire. The thought being if the coming Dollar Crisis can be contained to the USA and a new international trading/banking arrangement arrived at that avoids being centered on one nation's fiat currency, then the harm will be limited. Now to watch the latest episode.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 17:39 utc | 118

low oil prices starting to hit the gulf states...

Kuwait's finances are running low
[middle east monitor]

Posted by: ptb | Aug 24 2020 17:55 utc | 119

karlof1 @113: "...war needs solvent financing to feed it."

Or imminent financial collapse. Use it or lose it.

Recall the real reason Iraq invaded Kuwait: The government had just concluded warfare with Iran with nothing to show for it. They had a million man army that had to be demobilized during economic hard times. What do you do with a million unemployed former soldiers? You lose a lot of sleep because they will find something to keep themselves busy. Something like regime change.

In other words, if you will soon no longer be able to pay for them, you are best off using your troops while they still follow orders. A desperation move, for sure, but the US government has been acting rather desperate lately.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 24 2020 18:30 utc | 120

i like craig murray for the most part... his viewpoint on russia and putin is messed up as i see it, but i don't take that too seriously.. he is worth reading most all of the time.. i don't agree with his viewpoint on putin expressed in the belarus article which was shared here a week ago.. lots of it i did appreciate though..

@ 48 juliania and to your later post to kayfabe with link which i read and to @ Kay Fabe | Aug 23 2020 23:12 utc | 51 and to @92 vk - no vk, i don't think you understand kay fabe!

thanks for all your comments! juliania - i found the link very detailed and written by an insider, as opposed to an outsider like myself.. it is like someone is steeped in the history of organized religion and knows at the in's and out's and various different philosophical positions - gnostics and etc. etc. - that is way beyond my pay grade! i am just one person who hasn't made a lifetime of studying theological texts and the various schools of thought associated with them all either.. it would be me saying i like listening to bach, but i don't know much about classical music.. i know what i like and i know that a lot of what passes for christianity is very superficial and for appearances more then for substance... if a person lives the one commandment - go unto others as you would like them to do unto you - i think the world would be a much better place!! thus, i do agree with kay fabe if he is saying something along these lines - the breakdown of our world today - western society anyway - is an inability for our society to be guided by this basic principle.. i don't really think it matters whether it is christianity, islam, buddhism or what the denomination is - the basic commandment of doing onto others as you would like them to do unto you, is a golden rule that people and cultures either follow, or they don't...

as for the written word... i see so many different interpretations that create mostly confusion.. too many words... live simply... we make life complex when we don't need to.. so many of the interpretations are written by people who have neither the eyes to see, or the ears to hear - using parable language... for these people, maybe they need guidance, but organized religion has gotten way out of hand as i see it... i am sorry juliania.... probably none of this applies to you!!! peace! james

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2020 18:39 utc | 121

i really need to use the preview option!! my spelling mistakes are atrocious!!

Posted by: james | Aug 24 2020 18:42 utc | 122

German doctors now attribute Navalny's illness to a deficit of a hormone called 'cholinesterase', known to be caused by exposure to certain pesticides. Reasoning backwards they claim he was deliberately poisoned by 'cholinesterase inhibitor'. They say nothing whatever about testing him for hypoglycemia. He is probably being treated by military doctors, since the vehicle which carried him away from the airplane had a plate beginning with "Y", which signifies a German military vehicle.

Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: Keye Fabe | Aug 24 2020 19:04 utc | 123

Saw this cancel culture on ZH today.

"US Bill Seeks To Ban Title "President" For China's Xi Jinping"

While the country is overrun with covid, protests, unemployment, homelessness, food banks, etc., etc., these so called leaders are dealing in important matters like this.


Posted by: arby | Aug 24 2020 19:22 utc | 124

William Gruff | Aug 24 2020 18:30 utc | 120 Use it or...

Yeah. It looks like the hail mary bit.

So, after an empire looses a major campaign and is broke...what does it look like?

Oh, Wait, film at 11 (gee I loved Vietnam!) They used to fly wetfilm from 'Nam to the coast to make the g d late evening news...another bunchavc wasted, and ah shuchks, 23 drafted nixxxrz." All that stuff.

It's pathetic.

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 19:28 utc | 125

vk, that was interesting about Germany, we here in Switz. see Germany as a monolithic block, and as ‘boss’ of the EU, which is one of the reasons that Switz. cannot ever join the EU.

If we consider differences, they are the usual ‘pol’ ones and don’t inform. (CDU vs. Sarah W, etc.) Italy (which suffers from the EU) is seen as a more legitimate, closer, more friendly or ‘potential’ partner, despite border squabbles, which are perpetual, a kind of excuse or justification for other fights…Plus the bad past. — Mussolini built a wall but it is now full of holes. Ppl (immigrants from the S) still cross and in winter they risk death ..

Term limits: Angel Merkel has been the Chancellor of Germany and the de facto EU boss since 2005. (Touting equal partnership with France, actually the ‘junior’, which France goes along with, particularly Macron. Sark the First was less keen, as an Atlanticist..)

No term limits ;) … !

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 24 2020 19:36 utc | 126

Below is the ending of a Reuters posting about Pompeo in occupied Palestine and all the assurances of support for continued occupation.

“Recruiting Arabs to recognise Israel and open embassies does not make Israel a winner,” Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said in an interview with Reuters. “You are putting the whole region in a lose-lose situation because you are designing the road for a forever conflict in the region.”

Sometimes Reuters provides a correct perspective in summary. Just not very often.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 24 2020 19:45 utc | 127

Nobody reads old pages, so I'm replying here.
As this is an open thread, I hope my post is tolerable.

In the "U.S. Will Sanction Other Countries" thread...

@Kadath | Aug 22 2020 4:51 utc | 60

[US dumping the United Nations and forming its own parallel organization]

In an attempt to form a new alternative to the United Nations, the US could get little support and risks looking totally ridiculous.

Remember, the US lost overwhelmingly, 9-128, in the UN General Assembly on the question of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital (December 21, 2017). This despite Nikki Haley (remember her?) threatening to "take names". Even the European countries voted against the US (although Poland may have chosen to abstain).

So there's a very real risk that if the US huffs and puffs and threatens to blow the UN up, the rest of the world might refuse to join the proposed new organization. And the US would have to crawl back, very humiliatingly, to the United Nations.

Posted by: Cyril | Aug 24 2020 19:48 utc | 128

Indoctrination, the identity of religious faith:

‘Indoctrination’: Republicans reveal plan to ‘teach American exceptionalism’ if Trump re-elected, critics slam idea’s bankruptcy

The "Christianization" of the Empire (or, as Nemesiscalling called, "history from the Christian point of view") begins.

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 19:51 utc | 129

@vk 129
wow they have no shame at all.
interestingly the accompanying policy goal in that slide, "providing school choice", goes to your thesis. That phrase is a euphemism for defunding public schools, with a combination of private and religious schools taking their place -- and receiving the funding taken away from the public schools in a per-student transfer scheme, which will of course increase as public schools outside of wealthy enclaves get neglected even more.

Posted by: ptb | Aug 24 2020 20:12 utc | 130

@129 vk

You crack me up.

I never used that phrase.

However, I did emphasize the role of Anti-Christianity and anti-U.S. sentiment in the current schedule of neoliberal indoctrination.

This, of course, comes from the west's intelligentsia that, for some ungodly reason, are self-hating masochists and desire to be told how evil their history is...and who let people like yourself into their domain out of civility and who do them wrong at every turn.

My biggest problem with y'all's sophomoric understanding of history is how you tie Christianity in with colonialism, as if the two go hand-in-hand.

In reality, it was not Christendom that gazed with greedy eyes at new worlds and foreign peoples to subjugate. It was and still is the march of technology along history and how when greeted by modernity, for instance, Heidegger was right to say that this became the intersection which led to Nazism: modernity and technology.

Look at how we conquered the natives in the Americas: they lacked metallurgy for body armor and gun powder for muskets. To the aspiritual in the west, it was impossible to not view the natives as backwards and in desperate need of subjugation.

Similarily, the church has as its mission the salvation of souls across the world. I understand how many here probably wish that the church would leave native populations alone, but this is problematic from a moral standpoint, especially if you view human history as the ongoing march of technological subjugation.

To the Christian, it was a foregone conclusion that these people would be conquered. Better their chance in this new life to meet the Prince of Peace.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 24 2020 20:25 utc | 131

Cholinesterasa inhibitors were involved in the famous and terrible case of mass poisoning so called "Toxic Syndrome" in Spain in the 80s, adjudiced to Colza Oil, but that trail debunked by investigative journalist Andreas Faber-Kaiser...

The Russians were not...A pesticide also used as a military grade agent produced by a well known German chemical giant was discovered as the cause by some medical especialists who then were silenced, some died, originated in a tomatoes harvest in southern Spain delivered throughout the country...

That investigation costed Andreas Faber Kaiser his life...He died of VIH infection...before he left, he stated never knew where he could catch it...

Reasearch by military doctor, Liutenant Coronel Luis Sánchez-Monge Montero, could help treating Navalny...May be the Russians could get to his research, and offer it to Navalny´s wife...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 24 2020 20:26 utc | 132

Well, the 8/22 Keiser Report can effectively be ignored since it's a discussion about Bitcoin and securing your wallet and insuring you have "physical" versus "paper" Bitcoin, which is the same concern with gold or silver--own the specie, not the paper.

Back to the first referenced show with Alasdair Macleod of Just after the break at the 12:30 mark, he begins to discuss what he sees as a 2-part problem where each component needs to separately looked at beginning with some historical background. First area's the banks who can't continue lending but must continue lending--a Catch-22--then there's the Fed and other central banks who can't get the aforementioned banks to get the massive amounts of money being printed into the places in the economy that're needed. And it's that latter problem that Crooke centers on in his article with its important excerpted interview with the two fed figures:

"They hinted at the Fed’s ‘last ditch’ stimulus and bailout strategy (i.e. should the U.S. economy be further stalled by Coronavirus): It is ‘to wire’ digital money directly into Americans’ smartphone financial apps, bypassing the banking system entirely. “The two propose creating a monetary tool that they call ‘recession insurance bonds’, which draw on some of the advances in digital payments and ‘wired’ instantly to Americans.”

There're actually two links; Emilly Barret's interview from 8/1 and Tyler Durden's from 8/14, which is essentially an analysis and rehash of the interview. These need to be digested to understand what Macleod says. The "Systemic Crisis" will result in the Fed/Treasury collusion--with similar actions happening elsewhere--to completely take over the banking system. Macleod's overview of how the crisis will unfold ends at 17:00 when Stacy brings up the possibility of War occurring to obfuscate part of the crisis--part of the "Whatever it takes" statement from 23 March. She opines the nation--meaning the Outlaw US Empire--will "galvanize"--come together--which I don't see happening at all, nor does Macleod but for other reasons. A brief mention is given to who controls the Narrative, which as we know is a big problem--will the "wise heads" be allowed a platform so they can be heard?

At 20:30, Max returns to the nationalizing of the banks and asks "Isn't this an action that will cause more autocracy?" Yes, but is essentially the answer. I highly suggest listening closely as they close out the show.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 20:30 utc | 133

Yes it does apply very much to me, james @ 121, thanks so much for your lengthy reply! I agree, as I said in my earlier post, Lossky is very difficult for me also -- it isn't necessary at all to follow what he is saying, as my point to Kay Fabe was that there is a different Christianity which is the one that Putin practises, and it has existed as early as has Catholicism, has the same roots.

Thanks so much for looking at the link - it says what Eastern Christianity is about, and you got the gist of it, that's good enough! I didn't have all this 'larnin' when I joined the little church of my closest friends, just got absorbed into the music, the visuals, the friendship of it, and only very gradually have learned a bit more, but not nearly on the level that Lossky speaks about it here. I did think it might be easier to follow than the fusion of oral and written I did earlier - he's basically about the contrast with western Christianity here, and really has only for his whole lifetime written one book, which the link is the foreword to. He worked on it literally his whole life as he died only a week or so after it was published.

I presented it because it is a very concise summary of the difference between east and west, which I think is important in light of vk's insistence that Trump's 'American exceptionalism' is the oncoming Christian apocalypse. It isn't! There is no such thing! And it was nice of Kay Fabe to demonstrate that even in western Christianity the basic message, (your do unto others one,) has till now prevailed as the Christian message.

At the Last Supper, Jesus says a version of it several times to his disciples: "A new commandment I give to you: Love one another as I have loved you." That one is very neat as it fuses the two he has previously given: "Love God with all your heart, mind, strength; and your neighbor as yourself." If you are not a believer, the first one isn't possible; but even so you could follow that new commandment and love people the way someone you love loves you, (a parent for instance).
Or so it seems to me.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 24 2020 20:40 utc | 134

There were neither 100 thousands nor 200 thousnads peopel in the "opposition" rally of yesterday in Minsk...Some people would need learning to count again...

Comparison with Victory Parade 2020 Red Square and Kim Il Sung Square...

Some other aerial images...

Also some curious images of Lukashenko through the years...for those who may think this is the first time he holds an AK-47...The guy seems to have sweated the t-shirt a bit...unlike BHL...and the "women in white"...

Reasonable similarities with yesterday images...

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 24 2020 21:06 utc | 135

Germany is living proof there's no natural or artificial nation-State, only economic prosperous ones and in economic crisis ones.

Modern Germany is actually the amalgamation of two kingdoms: Prussia and the Holy Roman Empire. The Holy Roman Empire was the remains of the Roman Empire in the West, while Prussia was a kingdom which managed to prosper and expand eastwards (until connecting to the Russian Empire, in modern Poland) during the Modern Age. There was born Germany's "bipolarity", with two dominant classes fusing together, initially under Prussian hegemony (Weimar Republic to the Third Reich).

During the Cold War, Germany (Third Reich) as partitioned again, in four parts: an American, French, British and Soviet parts. The first three ended up fusing together to form the Federal Republic of Germany (aka "West Germany", acronym FDR) and the latter became the Democratic Republic of Germany (aka "East Germany", acronym, in German, DDR). The DDR occupied Berlin (Brandenburg), thus most of historical Prussia (Prussia's capital, Königsberg, is still in Russian hands). But most of the Prussian elite must've fled to the Western half during the ending of WWII.

Since the DDR wasn't capitalist, the entire German capitalist class ended up in the Western half. During these decades, they probably ended up absorbing Western (Western European + American) values and doctrines (Atlanticism). The DDR lost the war and was gobbled up by the FDR, hence today's German elite is essentially the FDR elite with the ingredient that they now have the EU and a free hand in the East. It is not that farfetched to claim the old Prussian ambitions of old Germany haven't fade away, as the Cold War only lasted a few decades. It's also logical, from the point of view of a central European capitalist power to expand to both sides - the Eastern side being the most delicious, since it still is a Lebensraum to be exploited and because the Eastern European economies are complementary to Germany's (commodities exporters vs manufacturing superpower). If they lost their Prussian instincts, the German elite must've certainly regained them after the collapse of the USSR (the EU's foundation happened roughly at the same time, so that may have been a concerted operation).

But the EU - the sword Germany uses against the East - has its roots in the Benelux (Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg), and the Rotterdam port (Netherlands) still is Germany's via to its mammoth exports. It was only with the consolidation of the West that modern Germany was able to expand to the East - hence many economists calling the creation of the EU as Germany's delayed conquest of Europe (minus Russia).

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 21:09 utc | 136

Russian Doctors Insist Navalny Tested Negative For Alleged 'Poison Agent'

So who's lying here? I could swear that I've seen this movie somewhere before ..

Posted by: Saad Maan | Aug 24 2020 21:10 utc | 137

@ 136, in response to @ Posted by: Noirette | Aug 24 2020 19:36 utc | 126

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 21:10 utc | 138

karlof1 @ 118

Sort of a chicken and egg problem, isn't it? Which comes first, money or politics? I was doing a bit of gardening this morning before the heat came on, and if we need to save one of those, it would be politics I guess, since we got into trouble of the worst kind when there suddenly got to be too much money. Too much politics is hardly the case - if anything we've had less of that, if it is defined as management of the state. So, the money is all it is all about now, and when one of my plants starts choking the other one, the one that chokes is the one I cut back.

So, I was doing that this morning, but see -- I still want the choking plant, only it's too aggressive. It's that way with money as well. Cut it back; don't kill it.

Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: juliania | Aug 24 2020 21:19 utc | 139

karlof1 @ 111 - it's no longer morning, as I garden mornings, and coming here late was reading from the end, so nah! to Crooke's second part --- sounds like a crazy scheme to me, something like what India tried to do (I don't know how that turned out, but this is not India.) We are supposed to have more faith in the internet and digital currency than we do in banks???

Well, I suppose if they can trash post office sorting machines, they can do anything.

Lauarel & Hardy: "This is a nice mess you've gotten me into, Stan." Ya think?

Maybe instead of Swift's war between the books, we could have a war between banks and silicon valley types, on the vast plains of Southern Utah. (No fires there yet.)

Posted by: juliania | Aug 24 2020 21:46 utc | 140

Is something lost in the translation? "diagnosed with a metabolic disease caused by low blood sugar".
Rather than low blood sugar caused by metabolic disease.
The doctors placed him in an induced coma which is usually done to prevent further damage to the brain.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2020 22:03 utc | 141

An overview and large excerpt from the new book by A.B. Abrams, Power and Primacy: A History of Western Intervention in the Asia-Pacific, is given space at The Saker's blog with Abrams writing the narrative. What he exposes I knew some about but not to the degree he illuminates and his concern about what Asian policy will have toward the West now that it's finally breaking free from its hegemonic grip.

What's revealed is sordid to the nth degree and reveals a depth of racism toward Asians and brutalism that goes well beyond the pale:

"Occupation forces could loot and rape as they pleased and were effectively above the law.

"An example of such an incident was in April 1946, when approximately U.S. personnel in three trucks attacked the Nakamura Hospital in Omori district. The soldiers raped over 40 patients and 37 female staff. One woman who had given birth just two days prior had her child thrown on the floor and killed, and she was then raped as well. Male patients trying to protect the women were also killed. The following week several dozen U.S. military personnel cut the phone lines to a housing block in Nagoya and raped all the women they could capture there – including girls as young as ten years old and women as old as fifty-five."

Both Trump and Pompeo, and most of those preceding them, remind me of creatures capable of such criminality, which is emblematic of Epstein and his ilk. The Feudal Outlook by those wielding power still exists. All those GIs returned home and probably generated similar trauma within their households in ways many of us yet recognize.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 22:19 utc | 142

Posted by: Kay Fabe | Aug 23 2020 23:12 utc | 51

"Christian values worked for 1700 years before being corrupted..."

To which I add the obvious retort:
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition"

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 24 2020 22:36 utc | 143

karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 22:19 utc | 142

Back about 1975 working in a foundry one of my colleagues who had been in the occupation as am MP told me a story along those lines.

The way he put it was that the prisoners he guarded were insane from combat in the island campaign. But yeah, story dovetails. That's what they had been caught doing. Basically just put on ice to quiet down. Politically trials were not going to happen.

After the war most US combat vets had problems of one sort or another, and they drank a lot. I remember. Fights, broken windows, some target shooting out the back door...sometimes at flies on the ceiling, acting out I guess. In time that quieted down too. Now they're most all gone.

But more immediately, Brother Marandi says @ tweeter "Seyed Mohammad Marandi @s_m_marandi
Aug 23
When the time comes, his murderers will be dealt with."

Revenge served cold seems to be part of the agenda.

Could happen. Trouble with violence and lies is that one loses control of the outcome and, quite often, hands control to the opponent.
But I didn't go to westpoint, so whaddai know?

Posted by: Walter | Aug 24 2020 22:57 utc | 144

juliania @140--

I'd prefer the conflict occur over the vast desolate synclines and anticlines that stretch across the southern tier of Wyoming, pierced by Interstate 80. My aim is to try and keep possession of what I own and protect it during the coming convulsion. Given the amount of feedback, few here are worried about the Financial Tsunami forming in the distance or what it might spawn. What I hear is a vast amount of yawning.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 23:05 utc | 145

Iran’s Drug Control Chief: US Aircraft Smuggling Narcotics Out of Afghanistan

“In the year 2000, the total production of narcotics in Afghanistan stood at about 200 tons, which rose to over 9,000 tons in 2017, an increase of about 50 times,” Momeni said during a Monday video conference with national anti-drug coordination councils, ISNA reported.

"Based on reliable information, planes operated by NATO and the United States transport these illicit drugs in our neighboring country," he added.

But please, far-righters, keep blaming Chinese fentanyl and Mexican cocaine for the drug addiction crisis in America.


Doctors from Omsk are calling the Germans' bluff:

‘We found no cholinesterase inhibitors in Navalny's blood’: Omsk's chief toxicologist comments on statement from Berlin's Charite

“When Alexey Navalny was admitted to the in-patient clinic, he was examined for a wide range of narcotics, synthetic substances, psychedelic drugs and medical substances, including cholinesterase inhibitors. The result was negative,” said Sabayev, chief of the acute poisoning unit at the Omsk emergency care hospital where Navalny was treated before being airlifted to Germany.

“Besides, he did not have a clinical picture, specific for poisoning with substances from the group of cholinesterase inhibitors,” Sabayev, who is also the top toxicologist in the Omsk Region and the Siberian Federal District, added. “As was already said earlier, we are ready to share with our German colleagues samples of Alexey Navalny’s biomaterial for their comprehensive study.”

Posted by: vk | Aug 24 2020 23:14 utc | 146

Below are some Sheila Bair tweets pulled from a ZH posting

As with the related “side effects” of yawning wealth and income inequality, sustained low interest rates help the big get bigger, stifling innovation and productivity, while inflating the value of financial assets overwhelming owned by the rich.

Yet, no one in either party talks about this. If there is bipartisan consensus on anything, it is to rely more, not less, on cheap debt to fuel economic growth.

Ironically, I think the general public “gets it”. But our political leadership seems unwilling to fundamentally rethink the role of monetary policy in our economy.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 24 2020 23:25 utc | 147

Walter @144--

Thanks for your reply! The Missus a few years back wanted to learn more about 'Nam since her dad was a tanker during his tour there well before she was born and as many was plagued by PTSD. The story's convoluted and complicated, but the simple truth is her family was affected by the trauma 'Nam--and Army life--induced that continues to live on. Lots of that trauma isn't visible as it exists in mental and physical birth defects that invade for life, damage genes and can be transmitted to your own children as is her case. It's really rather grave and shocking when an inventory's taken. I discussed this issue with a lifelong social worker and educator--the man I learned the Franklin Reality Model from--and its impact on sociocultural functionality and as it relates to our collective morality--a quotient when looked at honestly has never been very good. I'd sure like to see/learn of some reason for optimism aside from the demise of the Outlaw US Empire. Perhaps humans are still too primitive or I expect too much. And meanwhile, time goes too fast, or maybe not fast enough.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 23:32 utc | 148

vk 146

Be interesting to know if they tested him for insulin levels. A few papers on deliberate massive insulin overdoses. Seems that it is something not always tested for in cases of hypoglycemia. A large overdose of long lasting insulin can take several days to stabilize with intravenous glucose and so forth along with constant blood sugar monitoring. It took the Omsk doctors a couple of days to stabilize Navalny.
Also the noise he was making on plane which I thought was simply to gain attention as they weren't cries of pain, where likely to be loss of awareness. Apparently as the condition kicks in, there can be to loss of awareness before the voice and the arms and legs stop moving. Physically conscious but mentally unconscious.
Effects of an insulin overdose much more severe in person who is not a diabetic.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 24 2020 23:57 utc | 149

karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 23:05 utc | 145 The financial fubar on the horizon. Of course there is nothing beyond boyscout preparedness to be done. I have the idea that most of the dying will be on the Eastern portions, and, given the objective reality, most dying will happen near the start of the fighting...ammo shortages and food choking off the cities worst, some.

Do not imagine that we here @ Anoxia are unaware of the tidal wave.
We selected this locus with such a tragic possibility in mind. Actually our expectations were informed by Quakerness and my Marxist parents.

War and trauma makes damage that, for lack of a better rule, lasts seven generations, I think.

I must thank you for Franklin. How the Fascist Won aligns with stories my mother told me about the betrayal of the Soviet Allies by Truman et al. I remember her voting for Wallace.

Next time I sally out I expect I better get some fishing line and so's only a click to the water.

And yeah, people even @ MoA seem to generally ignore the looming sociofinacialfubar. It doesn't matter, does it? We bought the tickets and have to go for the ride (mangling Hunter Thompson)

Later Dude.

Posted by: Walter | Aug 25 2020 0:22 utc | 150

Crooke is a great read, thank you. Have you ever heard of Steven Guinness? He has been allover this for quite some time.

Also, Alasdair Macleod came out with this last week.

Posted by: George | Aug 25 2020 0:38 utc | 151

I'm not gonna lie--- I look at who's posting and then read my favorites. Don't get a big head but you're one of them, among many others at the bar (julianna James, PeterAu1, Walter....).
I'm not that smart. I read the Alastair crooke piece and understood a thimble full of what he said.
Can you chunk it down and do a "dummies" version for us lower functioning plebes?

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 25 2020 0:52 utc | 152

@ 145 karlof1 quote "Given the amount of feedback, few here are worried about the Financial Tsunami forming in the distance.." i think a few of us have pointed out the corrupt nature of the financial system the past few years at moa.. - pscyhohistorian has discussed this quite a bit.. i and others here have shared his view on this too... it is coming.. not sure when, but many here at moa are thinking of this, just not sure what to say about it here...

Posted by: james | Aug 25 2020 0:57 utc | 153

Thank you b for that second link to OCCRP.
That reinforces my belief in thoroughly reforming the maritime Mafia industry and its adamant opposition to OBOR and the Eurasian land transport infrastructure.

The permanent global disability resulting from a totally opaque criminality in maritime transport will lead us to war in their interests.

The merchants of Venice work us over 500 years later.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 25 2020 0:57 utc | 154

technology and monopoly power vs humanity

Inter organizational banking, legalized privatization of monopoly (copyright, patent) powers designed to allow the few to prevent any and all competition, abuse of the state by blackmailing its leaders use tax payer money to evolve weapons capable to control and rule humanity destiny and after development, to turn those weapons over to, parties intent on controlling humanity is what I got out of the article? The diversions we see in media that suggest that from out space will come technological and greed so powerful and so ruthless that it will make slaves of us all, is propaganda designed to make you look for the source of that enslavement and power anywhere but on earth. But it is on earth we must look because the Trojan horse has been moved into the compound.

Its illogical to believe technologically advanced unknowns from outer space would seek to harm humanity or imprison earth bound inhabitants. But is it suggested that it is no joke that a few humans, here on this earth, intend to manage crimes, deeds and power to do exactly what we have been told would be coming from outer space. The facts in the article illuminate the risk that extreme independent wealth, top down controlled governments, and technology poses. It is not about one evil man in charge of one single empire or one Don in charge of the west side. It seems to be about a few very wealthy men, organized globally, working locally, to make outer space propaganda into a real life-long disaster.

Posted by: snake | Aug 25 2020 1:01 utc | 155

Regarding Vietnam and soldier conduct, it's important to know that disgruntled soldiers were a primary reason for the US pullout from the Republic of Vietnam, a fake puppet country created by the US inside Vietnam. The young draftees of the time, reacting to stupid fatal missions, refused to go on missions and conducted 'fragging' of unit NCOs -- rolling a live grenade under their cots. It was a 'broken army' unable to fight, thanks for the conduct of these young men.
Young men? Many of them were drafted as teenagers.
That system obviously had to come to an end, therefore the 26th Amendment to the Constitution, because 'men old enough to fight (18yo) were old enough to vote.' That allowed the end of the draft and enlistment activities inside high schools to continue to fill the ranks with teenagers in order to 'protect our freedom.'
Sure, they are gullible. Scientists have found that the average human brain (varying perhaps with experience) doesn't mature until age thirty (explains some of our behavior!). Anyhow, a big shoutout to those who acted in Vietnam fifty years ago, young as they were.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2020 1:25 utc | 156

snake #154

But it is on earth we must look because the Trojan horse has been moved into the compound.

And I suggest that we burn it before the sun sets.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 25 2020 1:57 utc | 157

Cop in Kenosha Wisconsin shoots an unarmed black man seven times in the back because he didn't stop when the cop said "stop or I'll shoot". This looks like straight-up second degree murder. I dunno, are cops in the U.S. allowed to shoot you if you're not acting belligerent in any way but simply refuse to obey an order?

Posted by: krypton | Aug 25 2020 2:03 utc | 158

What a time to alive:

The Senate’s on Vacation While Americans Starve - Thirty million households didn’t have enough food in the last week

Who here would think would live enough to see the day famine would hit the USA?

Unbelievable, if for no other reason that the country is self-sufficient in food (one of the very few of the present world).

Also incredible is the fact that this op-ed was written by Janet Yellen, ex-Fed chair. It's like Western hypocrisy simply doesn't take a day off. Seriously: we should substitute our atomic clocks with it because there's nothing in this universe more constant and infallible.

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2020 2:08 utc | 159

Another reply to an old thread...

From the "U.S. will sanction thread":

@m | Aug 22 2020 7:01 utc | 63

Iran is a small and far away country. Well, actually it isn`t THAT small and far away, but still the Iran conflict definitely isn`t a core interest of Europe. The USA on the other hand is a major trade partner and at least until Trump had been the major security partner. Economic recovery in the age of Corona is a European core interest.

And you completely ignore Iran's ability to shut off all the oil flowing through the Strait of Hormuz, thereby giving Europe a heart attack. If the US struck Iran, the Europeans would be furious. Do Americans really want to lose Europe for the privilege of dying for Israel?

Posted by: Cyril | Aug 25 2020 2:38 utc | 161

A week ago I posted an opinion on Australian rare earth companies impending skyrocketing share prices on account of China's dominance of the mining and processing operations. One Barfly rubbished the idea suggesting rare earths were not so rare. Since then a number of Australian companies have had specular price rises. The Australian and US governments have both fast tracked a joint Critical Minerals Taskforce. China is also the largest consumer.

A number of companies have made breakthrough processing technologies and discoveries including Australian Strategic Materials, ASX code, ASM, this company has shot up way over 100% in less than a week, have a look at the charts. Barflies were given the tip. Some are dual listed like lithium miner and processor Lynas Corp, now building an additional plant in Texas.

A number of Australian miners and processors of crucial battery making minerals including cobalt, graphite, copper, nickel and particularly lithium have performed beyond belief. Even traditional iron ore and gold producers are way up. There is a renascence in Australian mining. Forget oil, the green revolution and new disruptive technology is now mainstream. I reported the ASX as a teenager I have never seen anything like this.

Posted by: Paul | Aug 25 2020 3:13 utc | 162

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 24 2020 22:19 utc | 142

I believe US troops did the same thing in the European theater. Many US troops remained in Europe after the end of WWII and proceeded to set up organized crime organizations dealing in smuggling and the like, IIRC.

There was a movie called "Play Dirty" back in the '60s starring Michael Caine as a British officer in North Africa. His boss was played by Nigel Green, whose bit was he recruited criminals to do behind-the-lines operations sabotaging German logistics. He stated the obvious: "War is a criminal enterprise. I fight it with criminals."

So does the US and pretty much every other nation.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 25 2020 3:22 utc | 163

@ 163 "War is a criminal enterprise"

. . ."War is a racket. . .the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives." -- MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC, double recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor, 1935

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2020 3:30 utc | 164

Paul 162

From what I read a while back, the pentagon is putting up the money or a lot of money for a rare earth processing plant in the US.

Australian iron ore is now sold in yuan which I guess the yanks will frown on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 3:31 utc | 165

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 25 2020 1:25 utc | 156 Anyhow, a big shoutout to those who acted in Vietnam fifty years ago, young as they were.

I was there. In the US Army from March, 1967 to March, 1970. In Vietnam from August, 1967 to August 1968, stationed in Cam Ranh Bay for the first 9 months, then three months at Vung Ro Bay, 16 miles south of Tuy Hoa.

I almost went off at Cam Ranh. One guy did go off, got an M-16, loaded up and started shooting people until he was killed by the Military Police. While up at Vung Ro, we had this fat black guy as our platoon sergeant. He carried a .25 semi-auto on him at all times because he was afraid some of us would hit him with a board when he came back drunk from the enlisted men's club, which was pretty much every night. Down in Cam Ranh, one First Sergeant did have a grenade rolled into his hooch one night. Up at Vung Ro, after we were attacked in June, 1968, the Colonel in charge was fired on by a guard one night on the cargo pier. Another time someone "accidentally" tried to run him down with a two-and-a-half-ton truck.

My platoon was pulling guard duty down around the pump station we were responsible for which pumped fuel from Shell Oil tankers in the bay up to the airfield at Tuy Hoa. Standard procedure at that time was to obtain permission before firing on any suspicious individuals seen. The guy operating the M-60 machine gun at our position said, after the Lieutenant on duty left our position, "If that guy tries to prevent me from firing on anything I see, I'm gonna deck him." LOL

Good times...not. :-)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Aug 25 2020 3:34 utc | 166

@ karlof1 #111 with the Crooke link...thanks

Ok, I went and read the posting and have some problems with it.

Crooke went to extreme obfuscation in his posting to not call the conflict what it is, private versus public finance.

He starts out saying the great decoupling is here. In comment # 71 in this thread I quoted a posting from Xinhuanet as follows:
Currently, Honeywell has over 50 wholly-owned enterprises and joint ventures in more than 30 cities across China, including 21 plants.
I will add that Honeywell has just been added to the Dow Industrial Average companies. The great decoupling is a civilization war feint.

Then Crooke wanders through setting up the US and global digital currency meme but again misrepresents stuff. Lets unpack one of his paragraphs.

Firstly, people can see (with Boomer entitlement spending about to soar into the Trillions), that the U.S. government cannot support the debt burden without having the central bank simply ‘print’ more money. Many on Wall Street will see this as the solution: Putting digital money directly onto apps must be inflationary, they believe. And inflation can melt away America’s debt-load through de-basing the currency.
It is stupid enough that he uses entitlement to refer to Boomer spending when we all know its insurance premiums and savings, but then he posits that spending as the source of the unsustainable debt burden and ignores the trillions that Wall Street and those connected have already walked away with since last September. He says that putting digital money into apps is inflationary but says nothing about baling out Wall Street with the same money. And lastly, think about the last sentence in that paragraph within the context of the US dollar being the world Reserve Currency.....yes, the public of many nations are being screwed by the US govt bailing out global private finance.

Below are two more Crooke paragraphs that need refutation
Firstly, America has already started down the path towards a nationalised (centrally-managed) economy – rather like China’s. The Treasury and Blackrock Hedge Fund, (who manage the Congressional bails out distribution on behalf of the Treasury), now make the (economic) life-or-death decisions for U.S. businesses – from the very big, down to the very small.

This is a ‘great reset’. And like most temporary measures, it is likely here to stay. What’s not to like from the U.S. President’s point of view? He controls ‘money’ issuance now that the Treasury and Fed effectively are fused together, and can ‘steer’ the U.S. economy in a ‘national-interest’ direction during its tech war with China (and Europe). Free markets? They do not exist in America at this point.

America has had a centrally-managed economy since 1913 with the creation of the Fed. Unlike China, the Fed is privately owned which Crooke fails to mention. He says that the Treasury and Blackrock make "the (economic) life-or-death decisions for U.S. businesses". The Treasury is staffed by Wall Street revolving door puppets and for Crooke to posit that somehow the Treasury is somehow being magically nationalized is BS big time.

Crooke sees a monetary revolution that is all about digitizing and globalizing money but not a whit about making it a public utility.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 25 2020 3:39 utc | 167

i forgot to thank karlof1 for sharing the crooke article which i also read... thanks karlof1...

Posted by: james | Aug 25 2020 4:25 utc | 168

I have a few relatives that that were alongside the yanks. WWII and Vietnam. All to put it mildly strongly dislike Americans from that time.
My father in law, never seemed to have any hostility towards the Japanese, but liked to talk about shouting down US airplanes. He was part of oz air defense crews that 'defended US airfields as they island hopped across the pacific. He said they were soon kicked out and the yanks went it alone, but the way he talked, that was by far the best part of his war.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 4:52 utc | 169

Below is an amazing posting at Xinhuanet that refutes Pompeo's recent speech at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library

Fact check: Pompeo's fact-twisting China speech versus the truth

I am only part way thru it and am impressed at the sledgehammer they bring to the refutation. The posting refutes 26 points that Pompeo made and I am still reading number 3.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 25 2020 5:15 utc | 170


Any research of communist China's history show that they back hit hard when openly attacked.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 5:34 utc | 171

Let me just quote one of the shorter ones from my link above.

16.Mike Pompeo: Chinese companies do not answer to independent boards, and many of them are state-owned and have no need to pursue profits. A good example is Huawei.


Fact check: The fourth national economic census of China's National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) indicated that by the end of 2018, there were 15.61 million private companies in the country, up 178.6 percent from the end of 2013, and 84.1 percent of total enterprises were private ones, up 68.3 percent. The number of state-controlled enterprises were about 242,000, accounting for only 1.3 percent of total enterprises.

-- Creating wealth and profits are the natural pursuit and the most important functions of businesses. NBS statistics revealed the following profits made by China's major industrial enterprises (with an annual business turnover of at least 20 million yuan each) in 2019: 1.64 trillion yuan by state-controlled enterprises, 4.53 trillion yuan by joint-equity enterprises, 1.56 trillion yuan by foreign as well as Hong Kong-, Macao- and Taiwan-invested enterprises, and 1.82 trillion yuan by private enterprises.

-- In China's economic system, the private sector contributes to over 50 percent of tax revenue, over 60 percent of GDP, over 70 percent of technological innovation, and over 80 percent of urban employment, and accounts for over 90 percent of the number of enterprises.

-- Huawei is a leading private enterprise, and 100 percent employee-owned. The Chinese government has no shares in Huawei, which adopts an employee shareholding scheme involving 104,572 people through its trade union. Only Huawei employees are eligible to participate, and no government departments or organizations have any shares in Huawei.

This is especially important to me since various barflies continue to spout either/or socialism/capitalism BS about China.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 25 2020 5:46 utc | 172

psychohistorian 172

A balanced society is like a balanced diet. A bit of everything. This has been my view of both current Russia and China.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 6:21 utc | 173


In several comments you have mentioned the genuine problems of protesters.
Some protesters do have genuine rather than propaganda issues.
"Protests continue despite curfew in Wisconsin where police shoot black man"

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 7:11 utc | 174

@Peter AU1, what is your point , that the protesters in the US have real issues and those elsewhere only propaganda issues?

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 25 2020 7:47 utc | 175

A Covid reinfection case after 4 and a half months.
4 months has been named as how long antibody protection was likely to last.

Posted by: Tuyzentfloot | Aug 25 2020 8:06 utc | 176

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 25 2020 5:15 utc | 170

Pompeo can save us all the trouble by just saying "rules for thee, but not for me."

Posted by: J W | Aug 25 2020 8:56 utc | 177

Coupla papers which could interest those who can be bothered with such things.
The first A randomised controlled study of the effect of cholinesterase inhibition on colon function in patients with diabetes mellitus and constipation details the efficacy of some cholinesterase inhibitors in the treatment of diabetics, particularly those whose guts have frozen, so require a 'kick along' to get 'em moving again. The second Cholinesterase inhibitors in patients with diabetes mellitus and dementia: an open-cohort study of ~23 000 patients from the Swedish Dementia Registry recounts how specialists in gerontic care held off prescribing Cholinesterase inhibitors for patients with diabetes suffering from dementia, but the studies authors demonstrated that not only were Cholinesterase inhibitors effective for treating diabetics, reduction in diabetes-related mortality was associated with cholinesterase inhibitor use.

So what? Well if Navalny presented as a patient in a diabetic coma at Omsk, prescription of a cholinesterase inhibitor is a proven remedy.

AS for so much of this thread - why? It is no secret that most leaders lie to their citizens, or that established publishers are the primary delivery mechanisms for leaders' lies.

That sad fact applies across the board for all leaders, what I do not understand is why so many appear surprised by the deceit, or that some imagine that the nonsense pushed out by some leaders is any way different in its deceits than some other nation's bulldust. They all do it, we all know it, so why waste time & energy trying to establish which is the most truthful when none of them are the least bit truthful?

Lastly it always saddens me when the superstitious try to hold sway with nonsense which was considered dodgy a coupla thousand years back. Nothing which has happened since has made these irrational beliefs any more correct then they were back then - the reverse in fact.
The roman emperors grabbed ahold of xtianity & in the process built the catholic church for one reason only - they had been losing their battles & many citizens attributed that to 'the gods' having deserted Rome.

So these greedy power lovers took a punt on a new religion, but as it always does, xtianity let the people down. Wars continued and the roman empire continued to implode.
However although the empire was on the way down, the church being newer and all, hung in there pushing the new tosh so that as the empire died, church leaders could sidle up to the new power and do a deal; "Our big boss (the pope) will back you oh mighty but cruel & oppressive one, if you back our church to your subjects". ie you scratch our backs, we'll scratch yours.

That is what happened and it had the usual outcome of such deals - eventually the power junkies fell out over division of the spoils or somesuch, so the pope would harass some king for marrying the wrong woman( eg someone who the church had no hold over) so the church & the king would both reound up innocents press gang them into one side or the other then this meat would kill or be killed allegedly in the name of god but really just to advance the interests of their generals or priest-generals.
We may sometimes like to put about that their hasn't been a time in the last 250 years when the US government hasn't been killing some group of innocents.
Sadly the catholic church has an even worse record, that since the romans decided to give it a burl, there hasn't been a time when the church hasn't been cranking up at least one side of a war, sometimes both sides.
The classic example being the crusades when Roman catholics sieged & sacked Constantinople who were also xtian because the pope in rome wanted to establish himself above the same sort of bloke in Constantinople.

Yet we shouldn't be surprised, how is it that two thousand years back when people thought the earth was flat, the sun orbited earth & no one had a clue about gravity, a few tatty scrolls written in an obscure language that had a tiny vocabulary fully of regional colloquialisms & shitty grammar could be anything other than a mixture of gossip and superstition. The small vocab full of regional variation plus the lax grammar is great for holy rollers as it leaves so much room for 'reinterpretation'. Every week in amerika some greedy exploiter cranks out a new take on the old tosh, then hooks in a few more idjits stupid enough to sling 10% to the conman while they whinge about paying taxes to build roads schools & hospitals, plus of course wage war on innocents portrayed as heretics/infidels/unbelievers, but that is one use of taxes these mugs rarely complain about.

It is pointless to discuss any of this with Xtians catholics in particular as in the end however rational you may try to keep the discussion the xtian will fall back on irrational statements about faith etc.

There is no point, from then on, irrationality - dearth of logic is always the last refuge of those hoodwinked by superstitious piffle.
The biggest drag about it is that they are never going to know, when they kark it, the lights have gone out so they will never have the conscious realisation they've been sold a crock, because they will be dead incapable of thought at all. That of course is the beauty of the scam they bought into. The bosses out looting & raping their parishioners can never get arrested for the frauds they commit every day because the complainants who know, are brown bread, so can't tell their families that they all bought into a load of old codswallop.

The bit I most loath about catholicism is when some idjit tries to claim it is 'beautiful' that all the great western music & art is devoted to 'their' church.
Total tosh, as few ever bother to mention that for more than a thousand years any person who was great at expressing themselves musically or could paint a picture which conveyed genuine emotion, they had no choice but to make some xtian myth the focus of all their work - not just some of it - all of it. If an artist tried to paint or compose on any other subject, the best they could hope for was quick torture, 2 or 3 days on the rack, followed by being burnt at a stake.

I have no doubt that on many occasions an artist's mind was probably thinking about the bonk they had the night before, yet forced that down & knocked out another cartoon of a bunch of sad misfits eating dinner.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Aug 25 2020 9:06 utc | 178

good to see you back posting with your old nick Debs, an old friend pointed out the symbiosis of princes and priests some years ago and when you listen to what the priests tell you to do, i.e., be obedient and don't ask for too much, it makes a lot of sense to me.

not knowing the exact meaning of codswallop I looked it up and found a synonym for it. sure does make me wonder just how much the reptiles are really f@cking with us.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 25 2020 10:17 utc | 179


Plenty of places have genuine stuff to protest about, no matter US or France or some of the countries US has attacked.
Needs to be a bit more detailed than your vague latte sipper philosophies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 10:48 utc | 180

Basic microbiology lesson for the herd immunity blowhards:

Low antibody titer may lead to repeat COVID-19 infection, virologist says

"Repeat infections are possible. Antibodies do not guarantee a hundred-percent protection from the infection because not all people have high antibody titers. The titer decreases rapidly in some people, some of them do not develop it at all, or else it isn’t and wasn’t there, it hadn’t been developed," he [Director of the Scientific Information Center for Prevention and Treatment of Viral Infections Georgy Vikulov] said.

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2020 11:44 utc | 181

Re: Psychohistorian @ 172 thank you for your post..

Hitler was forced into WWII, but before Hitler was Kaiser Wilhelm II, I have a personally signed edition of Wilhelm's memoirs published in 1922, Wilhelm was related to the Queen in England and the Czar in Russia, all of the Czars came from Prussia as did Wilhelm and Hitler. A very able man, thought deeply about nearly everything and everyone one. Propaganda was the tool that forced the humanity of the world to fight each other in British, USA, and French bankers' Lion filled Stadium; they wanted Germany destroyed and Germany stopped from producing the Ottoman Empire oil.

Germany was too successful, it had become in the eye of the banking empire, a nation state to be made evil by propaganda. Fact=>everywhere Germany was out performing Russia, France, Holland, Switzerland, and Japan Germany was growing its colonies (which was the way of the time) and its at home production so robust it left most Western Europe out in the cold.

Acquiring ownership of all oil beneath the Ottoman Empire was the real goal of WWI. Germany was already deeply involved in producing the Ottoman oil. German economic performance strong and dependent on the oil industry it had developed underneath the Ottoman Empire that the bankers decided in 1876 the German competition was a risk to their global power. In 1897 at the 1st Russian Congress in Switzerland 1897, Russia signed a treaty with France to get Germany, the next year, France, England and the United States signed a secret pact to get Germany. From 1898 forward, the secret services of these banker owned treaty bound nation states, made sure German negotiations in any diplomatic effort (in non German space) would be engineered to fail. basically, the Bankers wanted the nation state that hosted them, to sanction Germany into submission, but the nation state power to sanction was weak, so sanction took much longer and was not as efficient as it is today.

A person named Schiff in the USA funded the Japan-Russian war in 1905, and spent $20 million financing the 274 NY city persons in helping Lenin and Trotsky overthrow the Russian Government after the Czar and Czarist in 1919 Stepped down. 70% of the Bolshevik Revolution officials in Russia, 274 of them to be exact, were from NYC.

China has become pre war Germany, the western bankers have raised the war flag, and global armed competition for economic superiority is about to begin. Billions of humans will be destroyed in the process unless humanity unites beneath the nation state control system and closes down the nation state owned war arena.

Posted by: snake | Aug 25 2020 11:56 utc | 182

thank you vk@ 181 for the link.. Virons (SARS Covid 19 virus) interact with the host cell defenses (composed mostly two party immune responses) they encounter. When a viron discoveres during its infection that a new design of one of its virus molecules is better able to help it infect a human cell, the viron will adopt that better molecule, and engineer it into its DNA so that the next viron generations will be better at avoiding human defenses and better at infecting host human cells.

You might add when new virons replicates emerge from the infected, destroyed, host human cell, the older antibodies may not even be able to recognize the newer viron types, hence the new viron replicates might be faster at negotiating the infection process and more stealth [non recognizable] to the older antibody tupes. The stealth viron will not be recognized by the Antiviron. As the article says: Antibodies do not guarantee .. protection for lots of reasons.

This is why I keep say, unless you are in the Phamaceutical industry, seeking a vaccination, vaccine or specific antibody is at best a stop gap, what we need to do is concentrate on the infection process. That process has many, check points, and if we can stop the virus at its check points, it will no longer be a threat to human, and making the Pharmaceutical industry rich from the Pandemic will no longer be necessary. <==Why is that so damn hard to understand?

Posted by: snake | Aug 25 2020 12:24 utc | 183

Debsisdead @178

It is true that the Abrahamic religions are at their core irrational. Unlike science, they have no mechanism to correct themselves either. On the contrary, those religious faiths reward irrationality. Even worse, irrational beliefs that cannot be falsified in any way are required prerequisites for membership in those cults. This craziness is embraced and redefined as a moral good among the adherents.

But artists require benefactors, or the art must be a hobby or a side effect of the productive process, like brackets in machinery or structures being filigreed for instance. Sadly, such worker artistry cannot persist in any but the most romanticized form of capitalism because it redirects labor resources from profits, so art itself must be commoditized.

Except for primitive communism (pre-agricultural hunter-gatherer societies) artists have required patrons, and during the Dark Ages the principal patron of the arts in Europe was the Catholic Church. While there is room for some subversion, most artists end up building their art around the interests of the ruling elites of the period when they exist because they need food and shelter like any other people.

How to escape this? It may not be what those brainwashed to think bad thoughts of it want to hear, but socialism is the only way to free the arts. Vestiges of socialism in Britain, for instance, enabled J.K. Rowling's creative productivity. While providing the population with a no-strings-attached bare subsistence income frees artists from the requirement of patronage, it has the effect of driving up the price of the commodity that capitalists most require, which is labor. When the price of commodities no longer free float on the open market then those markets become distorted, informed capital investment fails, and capitalism breaks down. Really, how many pro-capitalist types would support anyone who wanted it to just sit at home and scribble in notebooks for years with nothing to show for it?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 25 2020 13:31 utc | 184

The Saker and Unz Review must be screeching hysterically over this:

Belarus' protest organizers compared to protagonist of famous Soviet movie

Are they going to side with the EU now?

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2020 13:58 utc | 185

Awesome rant Debs.


Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 25 2020 14:16 utc | 186

I know conservatives are stupid, but this was hard to read:

Day one of the RNC: Good sentiment, but too little substance

As for the economy and the Covid-19 response, citizens want to know how we are going to heal. Is there going to be work done to lower taxes for businesses? What about the tax rate on medical care? Is there going to be another stimulus package that would be passed by Congress? These are all elements the people are thinking about for the health of their own families, both physically and with the pocketbook. As with law enforcement, if these questions aren't answered you're going to have a hard time hooking moms in the suburbs who are worried about their husbands’ paycheck and their kids' health.

My goodness...

Posted by: vk | Aug 25 2020 15:32 utc | 187

Follow up to MoA week in review of 8-16. In which B posted notices of the new quicker covid tests. My comment was it will at best be months before we see them. Looking at this morning’s mainstream reports it is clear they will never be allowed. Just never. Story after story about how the quick tests are plain evil. Reminiscent of how HCQ was destroyed. RussiaRussiaRussiaRussia. Orange man bad. Anything that interferes with the primary narrative is not a thinkable thought.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 25 2020 15:51 utc | 188

Germany was too successful, it had become in the eye of the banking empire, a nation state to be made evil by propaganda.


A person named Schiff in the USA funded the Japan-Russian war in 1905, and spent $20 million financing the 274 NY city persons in helping Lenin and Trotsky overthrow the Russian Government after the Czar and Czarist in 1919 Stepped down. 70% of the Bolshevik Revolution officials in Russia, 274 of them to be exact, were from NYC.

Posted by: snake | Aug 25 2020 11:56 utc | 182

That's the problem when ignorance is posed as expertise. The poster who identifies as a reptilian read too much BS from Anthony Sutton and tossed this garbage here. One doesn't know whether to laugh or cry with such gross historical distortions.

First. The "successful" Germans established a racial inferiority narrative for the Russians ans expanded it in tandem with the "Drang nach Osten". In short, the vast, rich territories of European Russia were to be annexed to the empire of the superior German nation which, unlike the Russkies, was far more tied to the land. That is the "blood and soil" racist crap and it was presented by the German nationalists in 1916, one year after Paul von Rohrbach, supporter of the genocides in Sud-Ost Afrika, came with the project "Frei Ukraina" (it goees without saying that the current heirs of the project are the Anglo-American elites). All that would be conclusively utilized in Mein Kampf.

For such a success, the Germans sure needed extensive colonization projects in eastern Europe whose native populations, apparently, should go along, according the snaky poster.

By 1917 the Baltic German Alfred Rosenberg, later a Nazi Party member and Gauleiter in the occupied territories of the USSR, furhter expanded the narrative of the Russian inferiority by his essay "The Jewish Bolshevism". In short, the Russians were even more inferior than previously thought (a kind of human vegetables), because they were driven by the Jews into Communism. That, of ourse, had to do with the October Revolution.

Our reptilian poster continues with the BS allegations of Sutton that defy not only archive material, but common sense too. We are supposed to believe that western bankers backed the Bolsheviks who then nationalized Russian banks, unilaterally erased Russia's debts to said bankers and closed the country to the latter people's activities for decades. Sure. If archive material doesn't help, common sense should. But not for the far-right scaled poster.

Knowledge of historical facts isn't required at all for this narrative. The serpentine poster mentions the abdication of the Czar in 1919, when the February Revolution took place in 1917, and bemoans the fall of the failed Kerensky government, whose downfall was so laughable it could be a Monty Pythons scenario (unlike the fictional epic created by the Reds who couldn't stomach that their revolutionary victory could be this goofy).

As for the Russian socialists (Bolsheviks included), their origin and trajectories are well documented, but the scaly clown came up with New York officials. I wonder how does he/she/it explain the fact the most successful Russian general (Brusilov) supported the Reds, along with the most capable War Minister of imperial Russia (Polivanov, whose dismissal by the unbalanced Empress in 1916 caused outrage among Russian monarchists and the imperial family itself). Or the fact that the officer corps of the Red Army and the Gru was formed out of former Czarists. Or the fact that these western bankers backed a massive foreign intervention that instigated a horrid civil war that couldn't possibly take place otherwise.

In the end, Lenin wasn't treated with the courtesy and foreign and corporatist support that Mussolini and Hitler received. No "Industrial Petition" or "Secret Conference" would back the rise of the Reds and for very obvious reasons. The USSR, from beginning to the end faced ferocious western hostility not for the crimes or blunders its government committed, but for its positive aspects. Just like China now.

Posted by: Constantine | Aug 25 2020 15:58 utc | 189

@ 178 debs.. nice to see you back! knocking down strawmen looked like it was fun for totally escaped you what me, juliania and kay fabe were talking about, but i am glad you got a chance to rant over something i agree with too, lol.... you can thank us for that!

Posted by: james | Aug 25 2020 16:07 utc | 190

Chair at UNSC says not in position to act on SnapBack demand made by U.S.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Aug 25 2020 16:32 utc | 191

"The president of the U.N. Security Council, Indonesia, said on Tuesday it was “not in the position to take further action” on a U.S. bid to trigger a return of all U.N. sanctions on Iran because there is no consensus in the 15-member body."

"Indonesia’s U.N. Ambassador Dian Triansyah Djani, council president for August, was responding to a question from Russia and China on the issue during a meeting on the Middle East.

U.S. Ambassador Kelly Craft hit back after Djani spoke.

“Let me just make it really, really clear: the Trump administration has no fear in standing in limited company on this matter,” she told the council. “I only regret that other members of this council have lost their way and now find themselves standing in the company of terrorists.”"

Nigeria takes the presidency shortly...

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 16:40 utc | 192

Thanks for the many replies! Yes, Crooke doesn't see the entire elephant. IMO, the two commentators on the two linked Keiser Reports provide more info and a look to the future. Here are those links again Alasdair Macleod's analysis and Lawrence Lepard's analysis. Together about 48 minutes of your time. A new show was aired today that looks promising, which I'll comment on later.

For an excellent and neutral recap of the geoeconomic situation, Scott Foster's essay is excellent and should be read in tandem with Pepe Escobar's latest.

The Kenosha, Wisconsin shooting is an example of the extended societal trauma of the sorts I linked to all the wars since 1931, but particularly the types promoted by the CIA in Asia and Latin America where an Hitlerian Evil is openly displayed for those willing to open their eyes to that horror.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2020 16:48 utc | 193

Peter AU 1 @192--

Nice of Ms. Craft to remind us that whenever in the presence of any Outlaw US Empire official that person's in the presence of a member of the world's #1 Terrorist Organization, easily proven given its behavior over the past 75 years. I for one am sick and tired of the lack of pushback against such agents of the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2020 16:56 utc | 194

vk at 136: It was only with the consolidation of the West that modern Germany was able to expand to the East - hence many economists calling the creation of the EU as Germany's delayed conquest of Europe.

Yes that is true. Hitler might have been surprised, ppl here say, quote, all you gotta do is collaborate and create the Euro, no need to shoot ppl…a nice cynical twist, sure it ignores the historical context, and particularly the contemp. ex. of breaking-up Yugoslavia.

I’m no historian, but the French did not as one man or woman fight the Germans (Vichy, F-D industrial collaboration, upper class industrialists and manufacturers, some ‘media, arts, etc.’ ppl, banking perhaps but idk, German agents, more, etc.) The D-F couple with F the junior and subservient partner, at the heart of Europe (which became the EU) to conquer part of the ‘East’ is extremely clear. Ex…Mitterand worked in the Vichy Gvmt. as a young man, which is forgotten as the 'new' collaboration with Germany is "for peace" and not a longstanding principle.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 25 2020 17:08 utc | 195


It would be good to see some pushback. EU - Opposed to US on Iran and somewhat so on China, but taking the lead on Belarus. Makes me wonder if Merkel and Macron are trying to position Europe for the multi-polar world - Erdogan lite type thing?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 17:10 utc | 196

Peter AU 1 @196--

Thanks for your reply! I see M&M as pawns/agents with Macron's links easy to discern. Here's a fact lifted from the Scott Foster article linked above:

"Eurasia is its own growth opportunity. EU trade with the rest of Eurasia – almost half of it with China – is more than twice its trade with the US."

So, EU trade with China roughly equals that with US. IMO, what happens with NATO is key to advancing multi-polar world, and particularly keeping EU's economy afloat--NATO expenditures are a complete waste that's not lost on EU public. Currently, the Poles are the only ones excited about NATO. If EU is to expand its trade via BRI and become closer politically, then it doesn't need NATO. Aside from the zealots, EU people seem aware that what Russia and China want is trade and commercial interaction of a type that benefits all, not confrontation and war. Africans seem to see the same. The only nation wanting ongoing confrontation and war is the drowning Outlaw US Empire--drowning specifically because of that want. Thus the Navalny cui bono is the Outlaw US Empire because Global Peace for it is a vast negative.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2020 17:52 utc | 197


Thanks for Europe - Eurasia vs US trade. It is something I have never looked up.
Its an oddball world. Government to government, Russia and China are close, but what I see in the average person, the Russians like Australians fear the 'Asian hordes'. I don't think that is as prevalent in Europe.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 18:19 utc | 198

migueljose @152--

Thanks for your kind reply! My advice is to watch the two Keiser Reports and read the two articles I linked above at 193, and then go and reread Crooke. I'll add this bit that ties to my musings about H. Bruce Franklin's writings on SciFi being projections of future actualities:

We've all watched how inhabitants in the future never have cash--the most consistent term used is Credits--often paid with a card or dispensed onto the card via an ATM-like machine. One of Crooke's topics was digital currency and its use by the Fed to distribute credits directly to consumers who will spend it into the economy and thus provide a more direct and rapid economic stimulus. The following data I pulled from the Dilip Hiro article last week exemplifies what I'm describing:

"China also led the world in mobile payments with America in sixth place. In 2019, such transactions in China amounted to $80.5 trillion. Because of the Covid-19 pandemic, the authorities encouraged customers to use mobile payment, online payment, and barcode payment to avoid the risk of infection. The projected total for mobile payments: $111.1 trillion. The corresponding figures for the United States at $130 billion look puny by comparison."

From that I concluded that China's economic velocity is at least 10X that of the Outlaw US Empire's, which relates directly to the paucity of commercial activity and its deep recession. The ongoing fraud begun by Greenspan in 1987 consists of the fed issuing ever more debt (T-Bills) then buying it by issuing ever more debt (money)--understand that fiat money is debt, not an asset. Look at these two Shadowstats charts, money supply and GDP, and note they're going in opposite directions. Now look at these two charts from the St. Louis Fed, M2 money velocity compare it with this depiction of M2 Money Velocity, and then go back to the GDP chart to note correlations. What's shown is the stagnation of the economy after the uptick provided by the so-called boom after GHW Bush's war-related recession. This last chart shows the past 100 years of the Dow Jones Industrial Average, which shows you where all that money went and why velocity has tanked--it's sitting, gathering dust, instead of circulating. Similar charts for China would show almost the exact opposite.

The Outlaw US Empire's core is its consumer economy. All those charts show that economy has stagnated for the vast majority over the last 40 years, with the bottom having fallen out several times. Even the Shadowstats GDP chart overestimates growth since many factors are still counted as positives when they're actually negatives. For example, all the expense being made to fight COVID will be marked as a positive for GDP when in fact it's a negative, just as death is treated as a positive since monies are spent on flowers, cremations and funerals. I hope things are clearer, not more muddied!

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2020 18:45 utc | 199

karlof1 199

Fiat money. Debt.. IOU's? Barter is ok for some small village transactions, but currency is required for the current connected world. this fiat money dispersal with inflation. Basically an IOU that can become virtually worthless. It seems that these IOU's that are called currency need to be tied to a certain amount of goods.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 25 2020 18:54 utc | 200

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