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August 09, 2020

The MoA Week In Review - Open Thread 2020-63

Last week's posts at Moon of Alabama:

  • August 4 - Beirut Explosion
  • August 5 - Beirut Blast Wrap-up
    Related:
    The Tragic Physics of the Deadly Explosion in Beirut - Rachel Lance / Wired
    The Beirut Explosion: Who is responsible? - Elijah Magnier
    > The many “conspiracy theories” fail to line up with the facts of this accident. Ignorance, incompetence, favouritism and bureaucracy are the reasons for the loss of so many lives and the destruction of Beirut, a capital where people have not learned to stand together. This is a huge national tragedy. The Lebanese hold property in many foreign countries, west and east. This expresses the lack of a sense of belonging- because this is a country where elected politicians have amassed and stolen all the country’s wealth, where they hoard power, and where they pass it on to their sons. <
Sharmine Narwani @snarwani - 22:24 UTC · Aug 8, 2020
Lebanese protestors today hung cardboard cutouts of Saad Hariri and his allies, but you won't see this because media is only showing pics of Nasrallah, Berri and Aoun being hung. All political leaders were derided equally today. Don't fall for the propaganda, #Lebanon
Amal Saad @amalsaad_lb - 22:46 UTC · 8 Aug 2020
The US and Saudi have once again sought to capitalize on politically engineered tragedies in Lebanon using their local proxies. Legitimate fury about the Beirut blast has been channeled into a sectarian campaign to disarm Hizbullah by interventionists with neo-colonial fantasies

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Other issues:

Civil War of 2020:

America Is About To Feel Like A 3rd World Nation - Ian Welsh
How white radicals hijacked Portland’s protests - Michael Tracey / Unherd
The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. - Malcolm X

Covid-19 research:

SARS-CoV-2 infection fatality risk in a nationwide seroepidemiological study

We used data from a nation-wide seroepidemiological study and two sources of mortality information -deaths among laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 cases and excess deaths- to estimate the range of IFR, both overall and by age and sex, in Spain. The overall IFR ranged between 1.1% and 1.4% in men and 0.58% to 0.77% in women. The IFR increased sharply after age 50, ranging between 11.6% and 16.4% in men ≥80 years and between 4.6% and 6.5% in women ≥80 years. Our IFR estimates for SARS-CoV-2 are substantially greater than IFR estimators for seasonal influenza, justifying the implementation of special public health measures.

Clinical Course and Molecular Viral Shedding Among Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Patients With SARS-CoV-2 Infection in a Community Treatment Center in the Republic of Korea - Jama

Findings In this cohort study that included 303 patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection isolated in a community treatment center in the Republic of Korea, 110 (36.3%) were asymptomatic at the time of isolation and 21 of these (19.1%) developed symptoms during isolation. The cycle threshold values of reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction for SARS-CoV-2 in asymptomatic patients were similar to those in symptomatic patients.

A Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Postexposure Prophylaxis for Covid-19 - NEJM

Results We enrolled 821 asymptomatic participants. Overall, 87.6% of the participants (719 of 821) reported a high-risk exposure to a confirmed Covid-19 contact. The incidence of new illness compatible with Covid-19 did not differ significantly between participants receiving hydroxychloroquine (49 of 414 [11.8%]) and those receiving placebo (58 of 407 [14.3%]); the absolute difference was −2.4 percentage points (95% confidence interval, −7.0 to 2.2; P=0.35). Side effects were more common with hydroxychloroquine than with placebo (40.1% vs. 16.8%), but no serious adverse reactions were reported.

Statement from Yale Faculty on Hydroxychloroquine and its Use in COVID-19

While minority opinions, anecdotal evidence, novel interpretations and challenges to orthodoxies in a field can be important, at some point, the application of the scientific method generating evidence from multiple, well-designed clinical trials and observational studies does matter and should be heard over the noise of conspiracy theories, purported hoaxes, and the views of zealots.

Scientists May Be Using the Wrong Cells to Study Covid-19 - Wired

Dr. Angela Rasmussen @angie_rasmussen - 15:18 UTC · Aug 6, 2020
...
Vero cells don't express TMPRSS2, but do express cathepsin L. These are proteins that can both enable #SARSCoV2 entry. CQ/HCQ blocks cathepsin L, but not TMPRSS2. Human lung cells, which do have TMPRSS2, are still susceptible to infection because CQ has no effect on that pathway.
Now I know this because I'm a virologist and I know all about Vero cells. But as both @profvrr and @paimadhu point out, when non-virologists start working on #COVID19 treatments using only Vero cells because they're convenient, the results can be misleading.
...

Covid-19 economics:

Minimizing Economic Costs for COVID-19 - Yaneer Bar-Yam / NECSI
Coming Next: The Greater Recession - Paul Krugman / NYT

Put it all together and the expiration of emergency aid could produce a 4 percent to 5 percent fall in G.D.P. But wait, there’s more. States and cities are in dire straits and are already planning harsh spending cuts; ...
Bear in mind that the coronavirus itself — a shock that came out of the blue, though the United States mishandled it terribly — reduced G.D.P. by “only” around 10 percent. What we’re looking at now may be another shock, a sort of economic second wave, almost as severe in monetary terms as the first.

Boeing 737:

Air India Express plane skids off runway, breaks into two pieces, police say; at least 16 people are dead, dozens injured - AP
This was a Boeing 737-800 NG. To learn why this type is prone to break apart after a hard landing watch the Al-Jazeerah documentation On a wing and a prayer.

Use as open thread ...

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 11 2020 6:23 utc | 200

A couple of gunmen kill one or more port officials. The gunmen are killed by security services and subsequently linked to Hezbollah. Western media would declare that this PROVES that Hezbollah was responsible for the port explosion.

The corruption of man knows no bounds. I'd expect it's a virtual certainty then: Those men are dead men walking ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 11 2020 6:34 utc | 201

karlof1 195

He has a much wider view of the world than the factional/sectarian frogs in Lebanon's little puddle. I don't see Nasrallah taking up the task, but the way he is talking, perhaps he is looking at the military to give the country leadership?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 7:06 utc | 202

blues @ 201
Ahh yes being a whistle blower is a thankless task. Ask Assange.
I have helped re-awake this subject on this site. It was wrongly closed / wrapped. As events since have shown.
For that I am very proud. I did that whilst some here stayed silent shame on them.
Oh and your contribution is ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2020 7:19 utc | 203

Mark2

A whistle blower has documentation, not fantasies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 7:45 utc | 204

Who gave a presidential reception to Marine Le Pen during the Fr presidential campaign in 2017? How come they did not invite Melenchon, who was just as high in the polls?
https://www.dw.com/en/frances-far-right-le-pen-in-lebanon-for-first-head-of-state-meeting/a-37638042

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 7:52 utc | 205

Magnier was given the report that resulted in the maintenance work. The person who gave him access to that report is a whistle blower. What Magnier is writing is very similar to what Nasrallah is saying.
But you have your finger on Lebanon's pulse and know better? Learn to separate fantasy from fact.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 7:52 utc | 206

At least it is for once clear who exactly participate in the illegal occupation of Palestine
https://www.rt.com/news/497666-netanyahu-israel-west-bank-annexation-trump/
Seems that N wants to help finishing Trump?

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 8:01 utc | 207

Mina

I think Russia's guaranteed response to any missile launch has put a hole in Trump's plans.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 8:16 utc | 208

One possibility that I haven't seen voiced at the bar is the possibility that the workmen got stiffed on being paid at the end of the day, and the intitial ignition was just an angry worker giving a f-you to the boss.

There is a precedent for this from the US: The Kansas City, Missouri, 29th November 1988 ANFO blast.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Aug 11 2020 8:25 utc | 209

I can't wait September to read here that the Yellow Jackets are another color revo (of course... yellow!)
So we have to submit to the pandemy and stay home! No more demo, folks!
Available jobs soon reduced to only the "essential ones" and the rest of the masses on a minimal wage, as in "free beers for all".
How exactly are the Lebanese and the Iraqi supposed to protest the fact they cannot even access their own money on their bank accounts (for the lucky ones who had any.. the rest can starve or visit the various religious foodbanks.. 18 registered religions in Lebanon, that should mean enough foodbanks for a while)? I am sure the Lebanese know how to appreciate the delivery of fuel for electricity from Iraq yesterday when they know that most people in Iraq have a very few hours of electricity per day. But this is typical of the Middle East dark humour and hard to understand on the other side of the Atlantic.
So if they were supposed to invent ways of protest that would not need to be on the streets (where thugs of various parties and mercenaries can always use events for some people's interest), how exactly are they supposed to protest, with no internet access (by lack of money for their data bundle or by lack of electricity) and no money to cope with their basic needs (the vast majority in Lebanon use money for two main daily issues they have personally or for their families at large: food and medications).
And while the debate is focus on color revo or black and white one, no talk on the sums of money that have left the country, on the guilty bankers who are now enjoying their time in France or the US, on money laundering, on finance. These stories have been in the Lebanese press for a year and more, but that is precisely what the Western oligarchs to own the MSM in the West are not going to let being discussed.
This will all come very soon to our neighborhoods... Egypt is preparing to invade Eastern Libya, and Turkey is taking positions, so the Lebanese show is just another diversion.
And for those who believe in "investigations" or that any document in a ministry could be incriminating anyone but the lower workers and easy scapegoats, well maybe you should visit the middle east once in your life...

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 8:28 utc | 210

Mark2

A whistle blower has documentation, not fantasies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 7:45 utc | 205

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Additionally, whistleblowers tend to be intelligent.

So that's another major difference between Mark2 and the average whistleblower

Posted by: Contra-Conspiraloon | Aug 11 2020 8:31 utc | 211

Jon_in_AU

That is what it seems to come down to. Did the workers accidentally or deliberately start a fire. That is why Nasrallah has very little interest in outside attack theories, and is more focused on those that allowed the situation to develop.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 8:41 utc | 212

PeterAU1 @ 205
sounds to me like you fell asleep / got cought knapping. I was puzzled why you suddenly threw an insult my way, from out of no where!
You have skills beyound mine, a mere layman ! But I cought out your complacent gulabilty. Regarding that welders photo, others here to. My advice to you is simple - take nothing at face value !
Own that or get back to me with one single comment I made that deserves your insult. Put up or shut up.
I value my credabilty here ! OK.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2020 8:48 utc | 213

Own that or get back to me with one single comment I made that deserves your insult.

Virtually all your comments on the Beirut explosion. You have no grip on reality. I tried earlier without insulting you.

I will leave you with b's comment...
.............

Some really stupid trolls commented in this thread.

This was a an accident. Neither Israel nor Hizbullah were involved.

That stupid "infrared" video is just a normal video, set to 'photographic negative' in an editing software and 'enhanced' by a 'missile strike'.

Basic amateur nonsense.

If you want to discuss such go to 4Chan or Qanon or wherever it comes from.

Posted by: b | Aug 8 2020 6:56 utc | 358


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 8:54 utc | 214

PeterAU1 @ 207
Your the idiot not me ! Do I have to spell it out fool !
The photo was taken on a preveous day !
But it was used here and else where as false evedence that a welders spark or similar accidently started the fire.
Thus closing down eny suspicion or debate. Not least on here.
I called bullshit on that. So you don’t like feeling a fool, grow up. And learn by your mistake perhaps then you’l regain my respect. Till then ya jus another sheeple gullible idiot. If you can’t take it don’t dish it out.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2020 9:04 utc | 215

Mark head of to 4chan or Vt. They have no issues with reality.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 9:10 utc | 216

PeterAU1 @
‘’That stupid infra red video’ as you call it. has absalutly nothing to do with me !! I never commented on it, not one single time, ever,
I think you owe me an apology.
I spoke up becouse when b said ‘it’s a wrap ‘ it clearly wasn’t, as evedenced by the present events. Am I right ?
For you to say Israel has nothing to do with This kaos in Lebanon is just plain stupidity.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2020 9:21 utc | 217

Delusion rules!
When you find Magnier and Cathama almost praising Macron (just because he met with HA, as if this would not be among any politicians' tricks)
From Magnier's latest "And indeed, the French President, Emmanuel Macron, was careful to say, during his last week’s visit to Lebanon, at his meeting with these same warlords: “It is not up to a French President to write your history on your behalf. It is you who have to do it.”"
I mean.. frankly.. how can you quote that seriously?
And immediately after, "Macron rejected the idea of an early parliamentary election and requested that these war Lords unite in “one united government”- which means international community support for the same politicians responsible for the Lebanese crisis and large-scale theft for decades! But the population took to the streets the day following Macron’s departure, making the point that a sectarian confrontation could no longer be excluded."
So what is the point? Macron was wrong, the pop took to the streets, and..?
Where are the sectarians slogans in the demo that would prove his point?
And now Canthama, quoting Macron the Sage,
https://twitter.com/canthama1/status/1292885384024686594

Have these ppl forgotten who Macron is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD4ruYXL4Qs

Former employee of the Rotschild bank and now Co-Prince of Andorra (a position all French presidents enjoy), you bet he knows something about finance. Why wasn't he interviewed on that while in Lebanon?

In 2012-2014 at the peak of the French intervention in Syria and Libya, he was "secretary general of the Presidency", one of the highest senior position in the French apparatus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron#Deputy_Secretary-General_of_the_%C3%89lys%C3%A9e

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 9:29 utc | 218

@ Mark2 | Aug 11 2020 9:04 utc | 216

Your the idiot not me ! Do I have to spell it out fool !

Now that you mention it, spelling appears not to be your forte either.

Posted by: Lurk | Aug 11 2020 9:31 utc | 219

Your unprovoked insults are totaly groundless. That makes you the troll not me. Better you move to 4cham as you were the gullible dupe not me.
The reason I am here is - truth and reality. For that reason your slight to my name and reputation cuts deep.
Until you apologise keep out of my way.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 11 2020 9:36 utc | 220

https://twitter.com/RimSarah/status/1292818890536488960
https://twitter.com/DialaHaidar/status/1292194771050663936
France knows how to help Lebanon and make a bit of cash from it!

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 9:41 utc | 221

For the big Magnier fans (the Papist party?)
here is an article he recommend today. I am afraid some here will choke.
https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1293073603198689281
omg!! did he really read it?? "The attacks on and takeovers of ministries and public institutions demonstrate that people want to take direct control of governance and would not allow the same uncaring, thieving, and criminally negligent politicians to take back the reins of power.

The consistent protest slogan "all means all" has been re-emphasised and people have expressed their anger with all political forces. The protesters also made rare explicit criticism of Hezbollah as a member of the sectarian rulers they called "the mafia" or "a gang of thieves and criminals". Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah joined President Michel Aoun in rejecting an international investigation of the port explosion and also sounded like all the other discredited politicians in saying his party knew nothing about the ammonium nitrate that exploded in the port."

This is not to say that Magnier is not doing a good job and producing some good writings now and then, but being naive doesn't help.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 9:46 utc | 222

Well the chaff is getting caught by the breeze in this thread. Hezbollah is perhaps the only party in Lebanon that is secular in outlook. It doesn't seem to coincide with froggish viewpoints.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 9:54 utc | 223

"Secular in outlook"????
Understand me well, I have nothing against HA, but I know Lebanese Shiites (from the south).
Do you think they would ever vote for a non-Shiite party?? (they have the choice between HA and Amal)...
does that help the situation of Lebanon? no. it means the Shiites are just as stupid as the sectarian Sunnis and the sectarians Christians.
Religion and politics should not mix, full point. This is tribalism in disguise and you can watch any election in Africa to see what tribalism does to political systems.
Have you been to Beirut? I have. Was it ok to see portraits of Khomeini every 10 meters on the road from the airport to the city? No.
For sure, the portraits of the "martyr" Hariri have tried to compete, and now the idiots who support his son have managed to stick giant portraits of their messiah here and there, but precisely, you have to start taking down these portraits, because they do not help.
And that is what the protesters are asking for, in their immense majority.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 10:07 utc | 224

Mina

I take it by your reply you are French. It wasn't hard to pick. Only ones I see in Lebanon with a secular outlook is Hezbollah.
But they do not want the throne.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 10:13 utc | 225

Magnier sees the light
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1293114212336771072.html

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 10:43 utc | 226

The report mentioned here is probably the one Magnier saw. And one can bet the Israelis saw it well before the blast.

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 10:46 utc | 227

Mina

Both Magnier and Nasrallah spoke like this was make or break time for Lebanon. By what Magnier is saying, he thinks they are broken. But even here, he stays they took advantage of rather than instigated the explosion.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Aug 11 2020 11:04 utc | 228

Mina's concerns with Magnier are very much like mine.

He provides good info that suggests that he has the contacts that he claims. But he doesn't reveal sources and his analysis is often faulty or relies too much on a certain source. And his opinions are a bit scatter-brained. I think perhaps he puts fellating and developing sources before geo-political analysis realities.

Mina complains that he praises Macron. He has also praised Israel's strategy wrt it's hidden war against Iran. And he claimed that Iran was behind the Persian Gulf tanker attacks because of info from a single source "high" in the Iranian government when that made little sense.

I don't believe Iran plays games like that. That is an Israeli/hasbara tactic. As we can see with the Beirut explosion where they say publicaly that they didn't attack while their hasbara and allies hint that they did.

All-in-all IMO he's best read to glean info once one has developed some understanding of ME issues.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 11 2020 12:58 utc | 229

Hilarious, even if that was not his point, this idiot states that the Lebanese society is perfectly secular! It seems that only the religious leaders and their allies, the political leaders, pretend not to realize.
https://twitter.com/EHSANI22/status/1293169667624796164

Posted by: Mina | Aug 11 2020 15:12 utc | 230

Peter AU 1 @202--

Nasrallah as tried mightily to stay aloof from leading Lebanon, preferring to lead Hezbollah. The entire picture has changed such that he must expand beyond Hezbollah and embrace all of Lebanon for numerous reasons, one being Hezbollah's security and the safeguarding of the progress the organization's made over the years. Yes, he's a lightning rod for the West; but conversely, that attribute makes him the right person for Lebanon and the entire region, IMO.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 11 2020 17:41 utc | 231

As I previewed, the US ensconced in the Beirut Port...

NYT: US Contractor Knew of Explosive Material in Beirut Since at Least 2016

Complementary....Nasrallah, in what could be his first words after past friday´s speech, states they were never confused at any time and that had a clear reading of events since the first moments...

https://twitter.com/Eng_AhedNews/status/1293187435954761730

Posted by: H.Schmatz | Aug 11 2020 18:47 utc | 232

Some thoughtful and very reasonable and rational speculations by barflies about the Lebanese explosion. But holy moley what is with the random barf stained drunks staggering around the bar, jostling legitimate patrons and tripping over tables whilst engaging in bum fights over their pet “theories” about what triggered the cook off in the ammonium nitrate warehouse?

If you claim to know the truth of what happened you are a person laboring under a severe psychosis. You are sitting at home behind a computer, hundreds or thousands of miles from where the event occurred. There is a zero percent chance that you know exactly what happened. It’s called Extremely Online Disease. Symptoms include disturbed thinking, delusions of grandeur and fits of incoherent rage. Get help, and for the love of all that is good and holy, SHUT UP and stop subjecting the barflies to the ravings of your diseased mind. This is a respectable establishment and you will not be allowed to tarnish its good name.

Posted by: Kartoffel Gulasch | Aug 11 2020 19:12 utc | 233

Kartoffel Gulasch @Aug11 19:12 #233

There is a zero percent chance that you know exactly what happened.

That's a strawman. No one at moa has claimed to know what happened.

Not knowing exactly what happened doesn't mean that we can't speculate and develop conjectures via reasonable inference of knowledgeable observers.

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 11 2020 19:44 utc | 234

@232 H. Schmatz

Thanks for that Twitter vid with Nasrallah - a quiet minute in a small group where he expresses the clear-seeing of Hezbollah, from the very first moment of its being. One can easily feel the strength of Hezbollah, and of course it is a rock that others will only ever break themselves upon.

Nasrallah knows that the way to go forward is no faster, nor any slower, than the natural, strategic course of events. No amount of hurrying from our sidelines in these comment threads will change this. But the movement forward will be inexorable.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 12 2020 0:19 utc | 235

Mina

Thank you for your critical thinking and staying the course. I think Hezbollah is keeping aloof and attempting to maintain its uneasy alliance with the Lebanese National Army. That way the can be insulated fro being sacked into a sectarian revolt distraction.

I personally avoid Magnier unless someone credible at the bar posts a worthy link.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2020 0:53 utc | 236

So Biden chose the predictable running mate, Kamala Harris, to be his VP. This is now anyone's race and maybe Biden's to lose. I'm surprised he didn't choose Michelle Obama. His chances of winning with her would double. I guess she was serious about not wanting to run.

Andrew Yang, that opportunist who endorsed Biden instead of Bernie, was left out in the cold and was not even selected to give a speech at the convention. He isn't too happy about that as per his tweet today. Serves him right! If he was never really a contender for veep and now is snubbed for the speeches too, he may not even get a cabinet position that he dreamed in his foolish mind would catapult him to another crack at the Presidency in 4 or 8 years. It's clear the DNC doesn't want this upstart to ever challenge their African American version of Hillary.

I never liked Andrew Yang; always felt he was an opportunist on an ego trip, and he proved me right.

Anyway, it's Trump or Biden and nothing's gonna change; either way. The Empire moves forward.

Posted by: Circe | Aug 12 2020 1:05 utc | 237

Oops... sucked in... That was.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2020 1:06 utc | 238

Cicero #237

The empire moves downward!

Biden is a village idiot.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2020 1:08 utc | 239

Team Centrist: gaff-prone creepy joe & "I was that girl" Obama-in-drag

vs.

Team MAGA: small hands egoist & the faith-based simpleton

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Enjoy the show!

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Posted by: Jackrabbit | Aug 12 2020 2:41 utc | 240

Peter AU1 #92

Ammonium Nitrate is for big bangs and fertiliser. This is what was stored in Lebanon.

Ammonium Sulphate is fertiliser and bread raising additive and attractant for gall wasps in citrus bug traps. If this were used for explosive it would likely be less effective than the Nitrate version - it is a low velocity burn afaik.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2020 5:53 utc | 241

Sleazy, creepy, senile, racist Biden can't run without a nominally "black" race-card alibi or too many would figure out they're voting for the KKK (so they did learn something after Clinton, no not the one they claimed was the first black president; the other one who thought a gay VP was "good enough"). When will all the minorities figure out that their only role is to be the human zoo in the sideshow circus?

The "Democrats" are more racist now than they were during segregation/apartheid. It's worth voting for sleazy, creepy, dotard, ziofascist Trump only to make them lose, a bit like last time.

Is there anything else that needs to be said? Ah yes: fuck the US.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 12 2020 7:49 utc | 242

Bill Binney Interview with Sputnik:

"'We Have Absolute Proof' DNC Leaks Were Not Hacked, NSA Whistleblower Says."

Yes, this is a rehash for many barflies, but Binney explains it so a small child could understand. He's then asked about Assange and the fairness of any trial he might have within the Outlaw US Empire, and his opinion on that might be new to most--Why not the NY Times or Washington Post being in the dock too?

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 12 2020 15:32 utc | 243

Very important legal ruling:

"A federal judge in Mississippi is challenging the long-standing qualified immunity for police officers after the harassment of a motorist in that state."

The judge making the ruling researched the entire history of the qualified immunity doctrine, and the writer pulls several long excerpts from his ruling of which the following is one:

"But the Supreme Court has steadily neutralized the law, even though section 1983 nowhere mentions defenses or immunities. In a section of his opinion titled, “Qualified Immunity: The Empire Strikes Back,” Reeves described how the high court first held that officers could avoid liability if they acted in good faith, then created a balancing test, and finally made it nearly impossible to sustain a section 1983 claim against the police.

"Reeves wrote that qualified immunity "now protects all officers, no matter how egregious their conduct, if the law they broke was not ‘clearly established’,” that is, a court must have clearly ruled that the precise offensive conduct violated the law. Even if the officer acted in bad faith, he or she can mount a successful qualified immunity defense unless it is clearly established, beyond debate, that every reasonable officer would understand that his or her conduct violates the law. The defense applies “‘to all but the plainly incompetent or those who knowingly violate the law.’”"

A link to the judge's opinion is provided in the article and here. The doctrine in question makes a travesty of the Bill of Rights and must be ousted ASAP. The article reviews progress being made toward that end.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 12 2020 18:37 utc | 244

"Sputnik: And is it not possible for the last modified time to be changed somehow or modified itself?

Bill Binney: Sure, but I don't know of a programme that does, other than FAT, I mean, keeping in mind, you're talking about 35,813 files."

Such statements make Binney a complete moron that no one anywhere should listen to.

And by the way a small technical note: there are open source implementations of FAT (which is a file system and software to as the name says create and use a File Allocation Table) that of course are available to absolutely everyone to study and manipulate and change however they wish to do whatever they want. Not that I would bother doing it that way myself but it might be among the more impressive approaches one could take despite being more cumbersome than most.

This shows Binney providing counter-proof to his own statement in his statement! He has absolutely no fucking clue about what he's talking about :D If someone told him something very simple like "Everything is a file" (never mind the slightly more advanced "Everything is an object") he probably wouldn't have the faintest idea what in the world you were referencing XD Binney is a joke!

The whole interview is a rehash of lies that are just as meaningless as the DNC statements.

As usual the manipulators create two or more opposing sides (in this case "DNC et al" vs. "VIPS et al") all of which are full of utter shit. In this way they aim to trap, bog down, and expose "interesting people" and anyone curious enough to try to figure things out.

I've written about this before here at MoA and I'm not losing much time on it. I don't expect people to understand it but some might and more people read than comment.

A few points:

1. Binney became a "whistleblower" because he disagreed with how the NSA ended up using his efforts/the surveillance capabilities he created while working for the NSA. He (and VIPS too as far as I can gather) is pro-NSA and pro-US. Pay attention to how he uses "we". In general the reason for Binney's opposition is that he believes the approaches taken by the NSA are counter-productive and makes surveillance less effective or worthless. He does claim to care about "unlawful"/abusive surveillance but the story is very naive for someone who worked as far up in the NSA as Binnie did. Like most other people anyone will ever hear Binney is controlled opposition and/or the poison in the well. This is normal when one considers all the many other "famous security people" that peddle amazing amounts of bullshit like at the very least BS […] and JA (not Assange but the same initials).

2.a. His/their "forensic data" is entirely worthless and deny the fundamental properties of both computing hardware and software. End of story really but they keep regurgitating and repeating this seemingly without much opposition from the millions or more who should know very well that at least this little part of the overall lies are 100% wrong.

2.b. Whoever made the DNC data available must have had at some point in time the ability to (if they so wished) have physical possession of the data wherever they choose. With physical possession absolutely everything is possible, no exceptions. However in addition to this physical possession is not in any way a requirement for manipulating the data to cover your tracks, an action any sane person would do.

2.c. Every day people exfiltrate data without the NSA and others noticing and/or caring. Deep packet inspection, intrusion detection systems, and traffic analysis were all being defeated so regularly that it has now been many years since examples of such were noticed and had to be corrected in operating system development such as for example the Linux kernel. The fact is old hat.

Conclusions:
· There are no proofs and nothing even remotely resembling any proof on either side of the argument.
· Binney and people like him are outright liars or idiots or both or both and more, and they should be seen as controlled opposition, people poisoning the well, spies/operatives/undercover, etc.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 12 2020 21:12 utc | 245

On China and terrorism by Nathan Rich a straight talking video.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2020 22:12 utc | 246

Jackrabbit #240

Enjoy the show!

What a complete fiasco. And yet the Demorazis finally worked out how to throw the fight and return Trump - by appointing a detestable turd as the running 'mate' for their detestable turd running for president.

Now let me recount the two key endorsements for that detestable Turd - Bernie and Tulsi. To my horror and enlightenment these two endorsed that dumbass dementia drongo. So it goes. And to think that Tulsi Gabbard single handedly dumped on Harris and extinguished her chance and then Biden and his scabrous party raise her from the dead. They must have been sh!tting themselves seeing Biden polling so well and so they dreamed up the simplest solution to destroy the Biden vote and put Donald and his warmongers back in.

BLEAK!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2020 22:26 utc | 247

Sunny Runny Burger #245

Thank you, well said.

And then there was the Hilary emails fiasco and bleachbit plea on reddit by Platte River Networks who were 'managing' Hilary Clintons IT on the home server she kept all her National Security and Clinton Foundation comms on.
From HotAir:-

Paul Combetta, the Platte River Networks tech who worked on Hillary Clinton’s email server and recently received immunity from the feds for his testimony about it. A group investigation revealed that “stonetear” also appears in an email address and an Etsy page linked to Combetta. There’s also compelling circumstantial evidence floating around connecting stonetear to a specific street in Rhode Island on which Paul Combetta owns a home. There’s no smoking-gun proof that he’s stonetear but it sure looks like it’s him.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Aug 12 2020 22:39 utc | 248

I repost what I just posted on the other thread,answering remarks from jackrabbit and james:

Yes Jack rabbit,yes james,I know Peter Au is a long time commenter,often gives good comments,and even Richard Steven Hack writes things that I can agree heartily with,but because of their frequent bullying and names-calling of people with different opinions,I thought it was the right time to insult them with the ultimate insult to barflies,being an israel-shill.
About the question itself:a lot of beiruti heard a sound just before the blast,that they thought to be airplanes or a missile.People spotted to black airplanes,that could be stealth.Others heard a sound familiar to them from the civil war in the eighties.That's the reason that we just cannot dismiss their observations.Those people were there,while we were behind our keyboards.

Posted by: willie | August 13, 2020 at 07:29

you know,there is no reason at all to insult others down here.Does RSH call"moron" everybody that he knows in the street or his building?In what way does that favor dialogue?

Posted by: willie | Aug 13 2020 7:38 utc | 249

"Revenge for Gen. Soleimani’s blood a matter of time: IRGC chief"

Iran has described the missile attack on the Ain al-Assad air base as a “first slap.”

Posted by: arby | Aug 13 2020 14:28 utc | 250

@ arby | Aug 13 2020 14:28 utc | 250

I thend to interpret Michael d'Andrea's "absense" since an airplane crash in Afghanistan was another part of revenge. Who else is Iran threatening? Pompeo?

@ willie | Aug 13 2020 7:38 utc | 249

Why are you so bothered by RSH's manners - or lack thereof? People throwing mud usually end up covered in it themselves the most.

Posted by: Lurk | Aug 13 2020 15:25 utc | 251

Whilst visitin Oman in the late 1970ties, I discovered a deep sympathy for Jews -- especially those of Farsi origin. But a deep anthipathy towards the Israëli state, mostly due to it being perceived as a Germanic (Anglo-German) intrution into ´West Asia (and by now North Africa).

Posted by: Oū Sī / 區司/ Usman | Aug 13 2020 18:44 utc | 252

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